Tesla On The Move After Reporting Results… And Picks & Shovels Of AI Trade 4/22/26

22 Apr 2026 · 44 min · 20 chapters

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In short

Fast Money episode centers on market reaction to earnings and the “picks and shovels” AI trade. Main topic: Tesla’s Q1 results and what they imply for “physical AI” via FSD progress, margins, and upcoming products (CyberCab, Tesla Semi, Optimus).

Key claims

Tesla beat EPS (41 cents vs 37 expected) and improved gross margins above ~19%; free cash flow was $1.4B; FSD subscriptions rose 51% YoY to 1.28M; CyberCab and Semi are on track for volume production this year; Optimus factory production expected to begin in Q2.

Notable examples

FSD miles +93% QoQ; robo-taxi paid miles doubled; Tesla framed as early vs Waymo (Tesla ~2.5% ride-share miles vs Waymo far larger).

Guests

Tim Seymour, Dan Nathan, Steve Grasso, Katie Stockton (Fairlead Strategies founder/partner), and Gene Munster (Deepwater Asset Management managing partner).

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Tesla's Strong Earnings Report

1:39 to 3:32

Discussion of Tesla's earnings report, margins, and future production plans.

“On the death tonight, Tim Seymour, Dan Nathan, Steve Grasso, and Katie Stockton, founder and managing partner at Fairlead Strategies.”

Analyzing Tesla's Growth and AI Integration

3:32 to 4:26

Panelists discuss Tesla's AI advancements and their implications for the car industry.

“But this is one of those days where if you were a Tesla bull, you're looking at at least the numbers right now and saying, all right, I like what I'm seeing.”

The Shift from Cars to AI

4:26 to 5:36

Exploration of Tesla's changing narrative from an auto company to an AI player.

“I think there's still some unknown about what's going on with Tesla and SpaceX, too, even though I think that's I don't think that's something we're getting or something we're going to hear about.”

Investor Perspectives on Tesla's Future

5:36 to 8:26

Hosts and guests share insights on investing in Tesla amidst market dynamics.

“If they printed 17.6, I don't think it really would have mattered.”

The Connection Between Tesla and SpaceX

8:26 to 14:00

Discussion on the potential merger of Tesla and SpaceX, and what it means for investors.

“And I'm looking for probably 10 percent move to the upside.”

Tesla's Role in AI and SpaceX

14:00 to 16:30

Discussion on Tesla's significance in AI and its connection to SpaceX.

“I think you had it right in the setup here, Steve, that this, it's not a car company.”

Current Trends in Semiconductor Stocks

16:30 to 20:20

Exploration of semiconductor stock performance and market trends.

“Meanwhile, the proverbial picks and shovels of the AI trade leading the Nasdaq to new records today.”

Boeing's Recovery and Market Position

20:20 to 21:05

Analysis of Boeing's recent financial performance and strategic outlook.

“We'll be listening in, bringing you all the headlines from that, as well as the other reports tonight.”

The Future of Cannabis Stocks

21:51 to 28:00

Discussion on the potential reclassification of marijuana and its market impact.

“Boeing flying to the best gain of the year after reporting better than expected results for the first quarter.”

Senate Investigation into Fed Construction Costs

28:00 to 29:19

Insights into the Senate Banking Committee's investigation and its implications.

“I just spoke with Senate Majority Leader John Thune, who said that the Senate Banking Committee will be going ahead and opening up an investigation into cost overruns with the Fed building construction.”
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Earnings Reactions: IBM and ServiceNow

29:30 to 31:41

Discussion on earnings results from IBM and ServiceNow and investor reactions.

“The S &P and Nasdaq both jumping more than a percent, closing at fresh records.”

Analysis of Software Companies' Earnings

31:42 to 33:55

Examination of how macro factors are affecting software companies' earnings.

“impact from the war, from energy shocks on their outlook, as well as what they've seen so far in the second quarter?”

Tesla's CapEx Plans and Investor Reactions

33:56 to 36:34

Discussion on Tesla's capital expenditure plans and the implications for investors.

“We wish him well in his future endeavors.”

Avis Stock Trends and Market Dynamics

36:35 to 38:35

Insights into Avis's stock performance and the impact of short selling.

“I mean, you know, Amazon's going to spend$85 billion or, I don't know, more.”

Transportation Sector Analysis

38:36 to 42:00

Exploration of the transportation sector's performance and potential opportunities.

“While shares of Avis are pulling back after surging 350 percent over the last month.”

Understanding ETF Structures and Market Impact

42:00 to 43:04

Learn about the implications of market cap weighted ETFs versus others.

“to you, Katie, and think, okay, I believe that.”

Market Reactions: Best Buy, Philip Morris, and Masco

43:04 to 45:00

Explore the market movements and earnings reports of key companies.

“Shares of Best Buy tumbling almost 5 percent after the electronics retailer announced a CEO transition.”

Insights from Gene Munster on Capital Expenditure

45:00 to 45:40

Get insights on capital expenditures and their market impact from Gene Munster.

“we got some more commentary from that conference call.”

Transition to Final Trades Segment

45:40 to 46:04

Prepare for the final trades segment with a recap of the day's discussions.

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Final Trades: Expert Picks for the Market

46:04 to 46:56

Hear the panel's final trade recommendations and insights for the market.

“Constellation Energy, along with the other high-octane parts of the market this once was, and I think they are trading together, but the fundamentals support this one.”
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1:07Tesla takes off. Shares of the EV maker popping after an earnings beat. What the company had to say about margins, its humanoid robot, and when we will finally see cybercats on the road. We're surrounding the trade this hour. And the picks and shovels of the AI trade in rally mode today with the gains in everything from semis and memory stocks to power providers say about the state of big tech. Plus, pot stocks light up. Boeing shares soar after earnings and Best Buy names a new CEO. What new leadership will mean for the electronics retailer and how you should trade the stock now? I'm Melissa Lee.

1:37Come to you live from Studio V at the NASDAQ. On the death tonight, Tim Seymour, Dan Nathan, Steve Grasso, and Katie Stockton, founder and managing partner at Fairlead Strategies. We start off with Tesla moving higher after posting first quarter numbers. Earnings coming in ahead of estimates while revenues fell slightly short. The company also saying it's making meaningful progress in its robo-taxing robotics businesses. Phil Abose got all the numbers and the details. Phil. Melissa, a lot to like in these numbers if you are a Tesla bull. The company earning 41 cents a share. That was 4 cents better than the street was expecting at 37 cents a share.

2:10Revenue, as you mentioned, coming in a little bit shy of expectations, coming in at 22.39 billion. The street was at 22.64 billion. And then some key numbers within the numbers in the first quarter. Gross margins north of 19%. Anything between 15.5 % and 17 % is where most of the analysts were expecting. So this is better than expected at more than 19%. Free cash flow,$1.4 billion, a pleasant surprise. That's because CapEx was not as great as many were expecting. And then you have FSD subscriptions,$1.28 million. For a point of reference, at the end of the fourth quarter, it was$1.1 million FSD subscriptions.

2:51By the way, that 1.28 million, 51 % jump year over year. And in terms of production, you talk about the CyberCab. There has been some news, at least this is what Tesla is saying in its earnings report. The CyberCab and Tesla Semi will be going toward volume production. They are on track for that to happen this year. And the Optimus factory is expected to begin production shortly in Q2. That's according to Tesla in its earnings report. As you take a look at shares of Tesla over this last year, keep in mind the real mover of this stock is coming up in about 25 minutes. That's when we'll hear from Elon Musk during the analyst conference call.

3:31Melissa, I'm going to send it back to you. But this is one of those days where if you were a Tesla bull, you're looking at at least the numbers right now and saying, all right, I like what I'm seeing. Yep. Phil, thank you. Keep us posted. Phil LeBeau with all the sort of puts and takes of the Tesla quarter. You know, part of the bull case is physical AI and we are seeing it. I mean, it is a reality. It's not just humanoid robots out in the future. It's beginning production in Q2, cyber cab, semi truck. It's not out in the future. It is volume production this year. It is playing out, Tim. It is.

4:02And it's doing it at a gross margin that, as Phil pointed out, 19.7 percent. The regulatory credit is a good story and a story that's greatly improved over where it was. I think the dynamic around energy storage is also kind of interesting, although those numbers were slightly lower quarter over. quarter. I think it gets back to really where are we with Optimus? Where are we with cyber? And those are details we're going to get at 530. I think there's still some unknown about what's going on with Tesla and SpaceX, too, even though I think that's I don't think that's something we're getting or something we're going to hear about.

4:36But it is something the market wants to know. Is it interesting that I didn't think Phil really built out on cars? I don't think Tim really built out on cars. You didn't say anything about cars. I said nothing about cars. So this is not a story about cars anymore. So this is a story about FSD, free cash flow, and margins. And they're hitting on everything right now. And then you throw in some humanoid or some robots. So I think they've changed the narrative enough to put the bar where they know they could step over it. Margins. It looked like a one-time thing. It looked like early tariff refunds and then some warranty reserves, everything.

5:14So if everyone is focused on... I know how to read, and Claude's amazing. I mean, this guy, Claude, is amazing. He's so smart. Margins was a thing that used to drive it. It was deliveries, right? And it was... The fact is that Elon used to guide 50 % year over year of those sorts of deliveries. They started falling short or whatever. But I'm with you guys. If they printed 17.6, I don't think it really would have mattered. And, you know, if you look at FSD and they're looking at the progress they're making there and, you know, miles driven and all that sort of stuff. But it is interesting to note that, you know, their FSD is still supervised FSD for the folks that actually own the car.

5:55That's not going to be at a robo taxi. So, again, you know, maybe it's not about the cars that they're selling to individuals right now. It is more about the production that's going to go into a fleet. To me, it's one of the more attractive mega cap stocks. It's actually kind of diverged from the group. and it tends to have a weak first quarter, which is, of course, what we saw this time around. And because of it, it came into this print pretty oversold on a weekly basis. Retests are somewhat common, very strong support in the 351 area. And resistance, honestly, is not that strong until you get to the highs around 488.

6:30So I think it's an interesting set-up, secular uptrend. You know, if you are wanting to invest in the physical AI story, There aren't that many pure plays out there. There aren't many other companies that you can do that with. I mean, Waymo is a very small part of the alphabet story. I can't even think, I mean, robotics companies out there. I mean, I don't even know. I mean, Tesla fills that sort of void in the AI trade. It's funny that this is now a pure AI trade and not an auto company. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's a pure AI trade, but I mean, it fulfills that sort of notion of a physical AI.

7:04No question. And I still think we just don't know from a capital markets perspective what Elon might put through here. And he's well incented to take this market cap higher. So I think your point is well taken. I think there are other parts of the story. I mean, FSD approval in Netherlands, where is it going to be next? I mean, there is really some decent follow through on some of the stories that, again, don't get me excited. But I think it's interesting what Katie's bringing up. And I give Dan some credit, who called this stock back in November, which is this stock has these these moments where it has, in fact, lagged.

7:37And, in fact, you see almost a rotation by people that are not one point out Tesla investors. There are people that are opportunistic and tactical. This is a market right now, at least the market we have, where semis are going to all time highs, where this this company is supposed to rally. And I think because someone like me might hold my nose on the valuation and say, I don't even understand it. There are plenty of people that aren't that predisposed. predisposed and I think are buying it. It reminds me back in the back in the day with Amazon when you had AWS and people didn't understand the AWS angle that they could turn that spigot on, they could turn it off whenever they wanted.

8:11He's got a bunch of flows now that he can really look to. But he definitely did attract in the stock. Maybe Katie can speak to this. I'm long from right around here. So I suffered with it a little bit on the downtrend. And now I'm staying with it. And I'm looking for probably 10 percent move to the upside. Where do you see it stopping technically? You know, so there is a minor level around 410, which maybe that is tested soon. The problem is that the influence of the market is very real on the chart of Tesla. Right. So as you bought it and it went down, that was probably mostly related to the market.

8:45Right. Not something specific to Tesla. So the market influences are very real. And I think it largely depends on whether you think the equity market can continue higher from here. after such a strong move as to what kind of gains we'll see, at least in the near term. If you're a believer in Elon Musk and his vision of the future, are you an investor in Tesla or are you an investor in the SpaceX IPO to come? Probably SpaceX and partially because I think these companies will ultimately merge if you think about it. And, you know, if you think about this incentives that Tim just mentioned that he had for Tesla when that came out, I mean, there was not really a whole heck of a lot of talk about SpaceX and the valuation was coming at.

9:23And that valuation has been skipping higher, you know, went from$250 to$500 to where they're talking about right now. And he's going to have similar incentives as it relates to SpaceX. The other thing that's really interesting, it came out, I think the information was reporting this the other day, that in a secondary sale, obviously in the private markets, Elon bought$1.4 billion worth of stock in SpaceX. Now, if you go back since the IPO of Tesla. Sorry, when was this? This was, I think, either late last year or early this year. And it's kind of indicative of what he used to do with Tesla. They used to have all these different offerings.

9:55This is, you know, after their IPO, secondaries, converts, that sort of thing. He used to buy on all of them. Like when the stock, when they were like not producing a whole heck of a lot of cars, this is 11, 12, 13, that sort of thing. So I think that actually bodes very well. He's obviously all in. He's obviously going to be the first trillionaire out there. He's got a couple different levers in which to play it. And so why not buy in if you have this vision of the future that he has? Dan, sorry, Dan brought up an interesting fact when you said, what are you more excited about? And he said, I think they merge them.

10:24I think that's the only way that he actually gets his pay package, right? So the trail to getting that trillion dollars is merging every company that he's ever thought about. Isn't Tesla cheaper? I mean, that's a backdoor way into SpaceX. Right. Yeah. That's why I hear it. Yeah. That was my point, but thank you. For more and all of this. That's for you, Tesla, Volgine Monster. Gene, great to have you with. You're, of course, managing partner at Deepwater Asset Management, somebody we would never replace with Claude, by the way. What was your take on the quarter, and why do you think the stock is higher?

11:00Most of the stock is higher probably because of this margin piece. It was essentially 19.2 % was the autonomous garage X credits. Dan did mention there was some noise in there. If we back out that noise, we're still looking at a high 18 % number that compares to 17.9 % in the previous quarter. Now stick with me, is that deliveries were down 14 % quarter over quarter. Typically when deliveries decline, then you have lower gross margins on auto. And so I think that that was kind of the initial reaction once the numbers came out as investors were looking at that and we saw that 4 % pop. As I dug through the numbers, a couple themes really reinforce this idea that they're doing well when it comes to physical AI, but I want to also underscore how early we are.

11:48And so based on me looking at the charts in their shareholder deck, they probably grew their FSD miles 93 % quarter over quarter, and they doubled their paid miles for the robo-taxi. But I want to quickly put those into perspective is that sounds great. They're doubling right now. Tesla as those doubling on the FSD miles that accounts for about 0.2 percent of total miles driven in the U.S. It still is just a fraction of a fraction when it comes to autonomous miles driven. If we take what Waymo is driving and what we just reported with Tesla, it accounts two and a half percent of the total ride share miles.

12:30So very early. Last fun fact, if you look at the RoboTaxi paid miles driven and compare that to Waymo, Waymo is about 50 times bigger. Wow. That is a fun fact, Gene. I want to ask you about the transition or, you know, the sort of the increase in production. We'll see an optimist and how it will impact sort of what is going on elsewhere in the company in the in the shareholder deck. there was some language around turning off basically a couple lines of vehicles and putting optimists in there. What does that mean in terms of margins and just sort of mix shift as this transition happens? Well, the units are going to be just so small.

13:13Of course, Elon's talked about that million optimists for calendar 27, and we all know how to kind of factor in that million number. And so I think that this is really about storytelling related to what they can do even further in physical AI. It is storytelling today, but if you fast forward five, ten years from now, I think there is going to be some substance around this humanoid opportunity. As far as your question about the impact to margins, since units are going to be still so small and the investment relative to everything else they're doing is still relatively small, I wouldn't expect too much disruption there.

13:45Gene, when you look at this, you sound like you still look at it as a car company and you're still factoring in car and delivery numbers and pricing overhang on the story. What are you most focused on for the future? And do you just buy this stock as an access point to SpaceX? I think you had it right in the setup here, Steve, that this, it's not a car company. I talk about that because those are important because deliveries are part of the network that eventually they can monetize through FSD and kind of car production is a way that they can build robo taxis that can further monetize that. So yes, I think that this is a physical AI company.

14:26I think we're starting to see the substance in these numbers. They are very small right now. And as far as like an access point to what's going on with SpaceX, you know, this relationship eventually is going to come together. I agree, Dan, with your commentary on that. It's probably a couple of years out and I just want to come back. I mean, my thesis on SpaceX is this is not gonna they're not gonna position themselves as like a space company it's gonna be a sovereign AI company and Tesla is this is essentially the physical AI piece you really can't have sovereign AI unless you have the whole story unless you have a physical AI piece and they need Tesla to do that hey Gene well you know you gave a great example why physical AI is really I guess really a big part of both these stories right and ultimately they're gonna merge there's going to be one big story.

15:13Where else are you thinking about that as a play, right? If we think about AI in general, we kind of have the ecosystem down here and, you know, it's the components that go in the servers and go in the racks and they get cooled and they go in the data centers, all that sort of stuff. But where else are you thinking about this and as this kind of broadens out away from just data centers? Well, I mean, AI is a theme and then within that we have sub themes. And probably the most exciting sub-theme right now is energy, I think, and then separately optics. And on the energy side, some of those companies have gotten bid.

15:45There's some companies that are really boring companies that traditionally we wouldn't look at. We have an ETF, LOUP, that invests in these smaller, some 500 billion companies that kind of play into this. But safe to say is that what we're hearing, what we're seeing in the Tesla numbers today and what we've seen more broadly from TSM and ASML last week is that I think we're still early. And I think that this energy piece is going to be an underappreciated for probably a matter of years in terms of the investing community or will soon be appreciated in the coming years. Gene, keep us posted on the conference call.

16:24That gets underway in just about 15 minutes time. Elon Musk should be on it. Gene, we'll check in with you later. Thanks, Gene Munster. Meanwhile, the proverbial picks and shovels of the AI trade leading the Nasdaq to new records today. Chip stocks for one soaring, the SMH ETF hitting an all-time high, led by big breakouts in Micron, AMD and Broadcom. The memory stock, Darling, is also making big moves. Sandisk, Seagate, Western Digital with outsized gains. Brownhill's new DRAM ETF. Yes, there is a DRAM. There's an ETF for everything. But that is seeing more than $1 billion of net inflows in just 10 days.

16:58And strong earnings and guidance from data center provider GE Vernova this morning, lifting names like Constellation Energy, Talon, Eaton as well. So what do these moves tell us about the AI trade? Where do you see strength, Katie? Gosh, I mean, mostly semiconductors, as you mentioned. So I went into the S &P 500. I sorted it by month-to-date returns. And every one of the top stocks is a semiconductor stock of different varieties. But it's just a broad-based move within the complex. And it really needs to sustain itself in order for the market to sustain its rally. We do have a lot of breakouts on the charts.

17:34These breakouts are not confirmed yet, though. So what we like to see is more than just a week above, but a second week above. We don't want to see the gaps from last week penetrated very quickly. That's another thing for folks to watch. When you see these very fast and furious rallies like we have done, they're more often fragile, sort of countertrend. So with that in mind, I'd just be managing risk, but hopefully enjoying the returns while they're here. And Katie, where is that breakout on NVIDIA, by the way? Because I think if we get a breakout on NVIDIA, look out is my view. And the move on semis, while you're checking that, what's that chart level?

18:13Because for, yeah, so for NVIDIA, the resistance, the final resistance is around 212. But Broadcom is already through equivalent resistance. So I see them almost as one in the same just by the way they act. So I'm sort of treating NVIDIA like it's very close to all-time highs, treating it as a pending breakout with the rest of the group. And indeed, I mean, it's really lifted the major indices in a meaningful way. So we're going to translate what we see in the semis to that. But there are very widespread short-term sell signals from the DeMarc indicators. And these are the first sell signals that we have seen on the way up.

18:52And they show exhaustion. And they They are pretty timely in general, and they only have short-term implications on the daily charts. But for about two weeks, we'd expect consolidation. It's so hard. I mean, this is what you do. And you talk about demarks and exhaustion and all that. I just look at things like Micron that breaking out up 8.5%. It doesn't seem like there's any slowing down there. And the Sandus, it's up 70%, you know, in less than a month or so. And I think all of us have been around in the markets for a while. And, you know, you can call something a bubble. It doesn't mean you're calling the top.

19:22It doesn't mean you're saying that, you know, the fundamentals of these companies that are rallying these ways don't make a lot of sense. But, you know, at the end of the day, this is a bubble and it will burst. And so a lot of folks, you know, are only things and it's fabulous. And you just said about ETFs and these things are becoming outsized positions in a lot of different ETFs. And that's a great way to participate it. But make no mistake about it. I mean, there is idiosyncratic risk in some of these things. If a SanDisk goes from$20 to$1 ,000 in a year, if it were to go from$1 ,000 to$500, you should not be surprised if that happens at some point.

19:55So I thought that Micron topped out mid-March, and I looked good for about a month, and now it's overtaken that level. This is something where it's 75 % DRAM, 25 % NAND. And if you look at NVIDIA's chips, they're riddled with HBM, high bandwidth memory. That's where Micron has their sweet spot. I do believe this is in a quasi-bubble, and I wouldn't be a buyer here in my crowd. Coming up, we'll keep an eye on shares of Tesla in the after hours. The conference call about to kick off. We'll be listening in, bringing you all the headlines from that, as well as the other reports tonight. But first, Boeing soaring on its own report this morning, what the CEO had to say about 737 production that had shares taking off.

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22:22He also talked about potentially the meeting between President Trump and Xi yielding some new plane orders, which could benefit Boeing. I mean, you've been in this one for... I love this one. And boy, I wish it was the B in Timbo. It's not. It's not. What is the B in Timbo? Biogen. Biogen's been fine. But I mean, this is Boeing's time to shine. And yes, Boeing was on the beauty tour with President Trump, too, a year ago, or at least around, you know, tariff dynamics. And it should be. There's no question. We know how important the company is in terms of what's going on in airspace and manufacturing.

22:56We know about the duopoly. But the most important thing here is this company is generating free cash flow. We heard about CapEx. It's kind of in line with where we thought it was going to be. It's not getting out of control. I think that's really the story. I think the margin beat is something in BCA that's very important. And I think that's something else. If you can get a margin story on top of that, that free cash flow starts to become a bigger story. They're out producing Airbus. I think, you know, head to head competition there. And if you look at the stock itself, it is about free cash flow, return to positive free cash flow.

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23:31CEO says that they're looking for the back half of this year or 2026 to actually get there. That's what you're buying the stock for. I bought it below 200, sold it in the 230s. I have not got back in. I think the lid on the stock right now is probably 250. You agree? It looks like it. Well, it looks like a big six year basing phase, doesn't it? Yeah. The longer the base, the higher space. That's right. So on the monthly chart, the cloud model that I use, Boeing is actually breaking out like today. So even though it's not clearing previous highs, which would be a more traditional resistance level, this could be a breakout for Boeing, assuming it's confirmed.

24:09And then the next resistance would be at the top of the range around 278. Looks good. Coming up, more earnings action. The results moving IBM, ServiceNow and more. But first, cannabis stocks smoking today. You hope the Trump administration will reclassify marijuana. Is this time finally different? Can the trade keep rolling higher? You're watching Fast Money live from the NASDAQ Market Side in Times Square. Back right after this.

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26:05Learn more on the Uber app. Back to Fast Money Cannabis stocks lighting up today on reports. the DOJ is getting ready to reclassify marijuana as a less serious Schedule 3 drug soon. The president signed an executive order to loosen federal regulation of the drug back in December, though efforts to reschedule have stalled in the past. We've had these reports come out in the past. Stocks rally. It doesn't happen. Now what, Tim? Is this time for real? It really looks like the DOJ is ready. There had been some buildup on this news in the last week that President Trump was really kind of asked, And it was almost like, yeah, we need to we need to get done what I said we were going to do.

26:43This executive order was four months ago. And to remind reclassification effectively takes cannabis from schedule one to what we don't totally know. But, yeah, I mean, schedule three, which would certainly remove punitive tax dynamics for the sector, which means that companies would be generating a lot more free cash flow. And it's also notable that a lot of the companies have essentially withhold taxes payable, seemingly have discussed this with the IRS. And so I've already kind of begun this process of at least feeling like the world had changed for them. But but the executive order was four months ago and this issue went so quiet.

27:18So the fact is, this is moving very, very fast. And this is finally, to me, at a place where the DOJ, who has to still work out some details on what reclassification actually means. It's it's a very exciting time for a sector where people, as you said, have been through these headlines before. This does not federally legalize. do not expect federally legalized. I'm not even sure in my lifetime. I'm not sure that that's important here. I think the most important thing is the profitability of the companies. Obviously, access to capital markets, exchange listings, opening up the market to traditional investors is the next step.

27:54All right. We've got a news alert out of Washington in the Senate Banking Committee. Emily Wilkins has got the details. Emily. Hey, Melissa. I just spoke with Senate Majority Leader John Thune, who said that the Senate Banking Committee will be going ahead and opening up an investigation into cost overruns with the Fed building construction. And this could potentially provide that off ramp that everyone has been looking for that would allow Senator Tom Tillis to vote for Warsh if and only if, of course, the Department of Justice ends their criminal investigation. And we should just be clear here, there are kind of sort of two different things that are closely related.

28:28A DOJ criminal investigation into Powell's testimony over the cost overruns and then this proposed Senate investigation into the cost overruns that would not be criminal. Technically, they could both go at the same time. But at this point, everyone in D.C. is trying to figure out what that off ramp is that would unlock Tillis's vote and allow the committee to move the Warsh nomination onto the floor and get him confirmed. Ideally, of course, before the May 15th deadline. That would be Powell's last day if, of course, there is no one there is no one to replace him as chair. Guys, Emily, thanks.

29:02Emily Wilkins. Coming up, a lot more earnings action to bring you the after-hours moves in IBM, ServiceNow and more in all the numbers when Fast Money returns.

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29:28Welcome back to Fast Money. Stocks jumping after President Trump extended the U.S. ceasefire with Iran. The S &P and Nasdaq both jumping more than a percent, closing at fresh records. The Dow climbing nearly 350 points. WTI crude settling just below$93 a barrel. Bitcoin meantime, taking a leg higher today. The trading around$79 ,000 and up more than 15 percent over the past month. Ethereum climbing as well and crypto adjacent names like Robinhood, Coinbase Strategy, they were also up. Some after hours action, shares of Lululemon down as the company announces a former Nike exec would be its next CEO taking over in September.

30:01Lulu is looking to turn things around after a rough year with shares down nearly 40 percent. On the earnings front, Southwest falling after missing EPS and revenue estimates. Texas Instruments jumping after topping expectations. Hiking Q2 guidance. Rail company CSX higher after beating earnings estimates. And Lamb Research beating both on the top and the bottom lines and hiking Q4 guidance. Meanwhile, we are getting the first read on tech and software earnings for the first quarter tonight. IBM and ServiceNow both down sharply after reporting results after the bell. John Ford has the latest on those numbers.

30:35John. Yeah, Melissa, rough reaction for software. Maybe it's investors rethinking the idea that the bottom is in and around negotiations will take oil price pressure off. That optimism had some software names bouncing for the last two weeks. So IBM first. It's off about 6 % here, trading at levels from around April 10th. CEO Arvind Krishna telling me today it's prudent to maintain, not raise guidance, despite the strong quarter, given that macro uncertainty. The software business was up 8 % constant currency for IBM. Red Hat did rebound a bit for them. And then you've got ServiceNow. That is down 13 % right now, despite solid growth and a guidance raise.

31:18CEO Bill McDermott telling me their rule of 56, they're confident they're leveraging AI, annual contract value of customer spending. A million dollars is up 130 percent. Five million plus is up about 80 percent. Now, Bill McDermott himself is going to be on with Jim Cramer in Mad Money. I know he'll have more to say about what he thinks investors are missing, Melissa. But to be clear, John, they are both, both companies are acknowledging that there is an impact from the war, from energy shocks on their outlook, as well as what they've seen so far in the second quarter? In a way. So the reason why I'll say in a way is what Arvind Krishna is saying is we really don't know what the long-term impact of that will be.

32:00So given that it's just Q1, we're not going to raise our guide now. So not so much that he's seeing the impact, but just that he might see it. Now, in McDermott's case with ServiceNow, yes, for data centers. We even saw some data centers getting hit by Iran. For those installations, there is an impact. But he had already talked about that. So that's not new information that wouldn't necessarily justify specifically this reaction. All right. John, thanks. John Fort, what do you make of this? Obviously, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out in the software trade, the IGV trade tomorrow. Yeah, I mean, it's been a fantastic bounce in software.

32:38I guess, You know, I think some of the concern around the war and energy costs is something that has been a later part of the software trades down. I still think it's about people just don't know what to do with the companies that have big multiples going into this. On IBM, I think expectations were very high, especially on the software side. But consulting was light. And I think that was something that else. It's not terribly cheap here. It's certainly been a very good run for IBM that for a long time we said was a big underperformer. Quick on the charts, Katie. Yeah, for software in general, I mean, we've seen a nice bounce as to mentions, but it's not enough to suggest that they're done going down.

33:15We need a series of retests, and this could be one of them. When I look at ServiceNow, it's not likely to break down on this move, but a retest can be pretty severe. All right. We've got some more breaking news out of Washington we want to get to. And the Secretary of the U.S. Navy, Eamon Jabber, details on this one. Eamon. Melissa, the Pentagon says the Secretary of the Navy, John Felon, is stepping down from that position. The statement here from a Pentagon spokesperson is short and sweet. It says simply, Secretary of the Navy John C. Phelan is departing the administration effective immediately.

33:47On behalf of the Secretary of War and Deputy Secretary of War, we are grateful to Secretary Phelan for his service to the department and the United States Navy. We wish him well in his future endeavors. Undersecretary Hung Cao will become acting Secretary of the Navy. So no explanation given for this unexpected departure of the Secretary of the Navy, Melissa, and no recent flare ups that would suggest anything in public that might be precipitating this right now. CNN did have a story earlier this year that said that Phelan had been spotted on Jeffrey Epstein's plane years ago. That may be entirely unrelated to this, though.

34:30So it is unusual to replace the Secretary of Navy in the middle of an active war, particularly a war that involves naval operations in the Strait of Hormuz. So we'll push the White House for some more detail on what exactly happened here. Back over to you. Keep us posted. Eamon, thanks to Eamon Javers. Let's get another check on Tesla. The stock just taking a leg lower. Elon Musk making some comments about capital expenditures. By leg lower, I mean down a percent or so. Let's bring back Deepwater Managing Partner Gene Munster for more. Down a percent from where it was. It's still up. Gene, what's the latest here?

35:02Melissa, Elon started the call talking. The first thing he said was that we're going to be making substantial increases in our CapEx investment. And that will down the road have substantial increases in revenue. And if you think about just kind of the reason that the takeaway here is not only should we expect a meaningful step up in their CapEx and is the fact that he's highlighting that at the beginning of the call. He doesn't want to hide from that. And he talked about investing and really across all of their businesses, batteries, AI training, and the chips, all the way down to new storage opportunities.

35:38And so I think that, you know, investors are kind of getting their hand. He did say something like, you understand this because this is what all the other big tech companies are doing. And so right now, investors are just going to try to wrap their heads around how much is substantial. Yeah, a number would be good. Gene, thanks. Keep us posted. Thank you. Down up 2%. right now. I mean, I say that seriously, though. I mean, we want to find a number out in terms of this math. I mean, is it the scale of the other hyperscalers? That's hundreds of billions of dollars. But do investors care? I mean, like, that's the thing.

36:12If Elon's going to spend their money, it's, you know, it's shareholders money, then you place this faith in him already, right? And so, like, we shouldn't assume that he's probably doing the right thing to achieve the goals that he wants to achieve. I mean, I'm not, you know, endorsing. I have no idea, to your point, what the numbers are, but if he came out and said they're spending$50 billion on CapEx over the next 12 months, I don't think the stock would get hit. You know, I think it's just kind of giving some clarity. I mean, you know, Amazon's going to spend$85 billion or, I don't know, more.

36:39The thing that's difficult about this is we don't know for which business we're talking about. And again, there's four or five different verticals here that are all part of the exciting pure AI story, and we don't know where this could be going in addition to not knowing the number. So when I hear about it from Microsoft, I hear about it from Meta, and I hear about it from, You know, we have some understanding of what this means in terms of infrastructure, especially around cloud and the chip side of it and building those platforms. We don't totally know. I agree with Dan in that Tesla historically, the detail has not mattered.

37:12And I'm sure there'll be a lot of goodies on this call that will get people excited. So far, we do have a couple more headlines from the call, which is about 11 minutes in at this point. Elon Musk saying Optimus would be the company's biggest product. Also, the Tesla has a pipeline of major improvements to full self-driving that will lead to unsupervised full self-driving, which I guess is the holy grail when it comes to Optimus. Yeah, that's the linchpin when you talk about robo-taxi. And when you look at these funding or CapEx, it's return on investment that the investors are worried about. But if we talked about that circular financing within the Tesla network or within the Tesla ecosystem, I don't know what's legal, what's not legal.

37:54Can he just borrow from another company, invest it into another one? Is he self-funding whatever CapEx that is doing? Are you questioning where the CapEx dollar is coming from? Yeah, so that might change the angle. They have a lot of cash flow. I mean, they could use their cash. And he could use it from wherever he could borrow. Right, he could use it from wherever. So I don't think it's a reason to sell the stock. I think it's a reason to get more excited about the ecosystem. He could issue equity. I mean, you know, there does seem to be that's going on. There could be converts. There could be different things.

38:23And building a war chest right now in terms of the capital markets is something we've seen out of mega cap tech. Sure, definitely. The stock Tesla is up by about one and a half percent. We'll see how this conference call plays out and what else Elon Musk has to say. Coming up, one rental car company pulling a U-E after a big drive higher. While shares of Avis are pulling back after surging 350 percent over the last month. Fast Money is back in two.

38:54Welcome back to Fast Money. The tires on the Avis trade finally going flat today. Oh, boy. The car rental stock falling almost 38 percent, but still more than tripling just this month. Two hedge funds have recently bought heavily into the stock, according to SEC filings, now holding about 70 percent of shares. But still, short sellers keep piling in, with short interest now standing at more than 60 percent of the float. This, according to S3 Partners. The chartmaster was out with a note this morning saying, sell it all. He said, today's the day. And after the bell said, there could be days or weeks more pain to come, given the heavy volume that we saw in today's session.

39:30I mean, this is I mean, it's almost like they took a page book out of Roaring Kitty in terms of the GameStop short squeeze. Yeah. I mean, the first thing to look at is the short interest whenever you buy a stock. And it could be a bullish theme. And most of the time it's a bearish theme. This stock fundamentally is in trouble. And then you get people chasing it. And it creates that sense of urgency of that meme stock approach to it. But don't confuse the price action with the fundamentals. This business is in trouble. And it was usually it's usually sparked by some bullish headline that gets everyone feeding frenzied on it.

40:05I feel like Avis has been a meme stock since before Roaring Kitty kicked the slats out of his litter box. I mean, this is definitely one that, you know, the story here is certainly one of structurally broken. And how it got here again, I'll leave it to the hedge funds that are on the other side of this trade, but not one I'd get in front of. All right. Meantime, the broader transportation sector in which Avis is a part of took a hit today. Dow transports falling 8 percent, but still up since the start of the Iran war. So, Katie, what do you see in the technicals here? Yeah. So, I mean, there are major breakouts on the monthly charts of transports.

40:42And that even includes some of these beleaguered names previously. But to me, it's overdone in the short term. And I think Avis is exemplary of that today. We have outside down days for Avis for also the Dow Jones transportation average. And Avis was down, I think, about 50 percent intraday. And of course, that's going to be a drag on the index itself, down more than 8 percent today. There's still another 8 or 9 percent room to initial support for the transports. However, once we see a deeper pullback, I think that's going to be a really compelling entry point for the transports. because when you zoom out and look at the long-term setup, you'll see a major breakout.

41:24And just as important, we also have a major bullish reversal in the transportation average relative to the S &P 500. If you look at the curvature of the 200-day moving average, you'll see that it has turned to the upside. So it follows multiple years of underperformance for these names. And if you dig into the group, you'll see some really interesting setups among the shippers. UPS is an interesting turnaround, longer term. Kirby, which is a marine shipping company, has a nice setup as well, good momentum there. J.B. Hunt and a lot of the truckers also have major breakouts, just a little bit overdone in the near term.

41:59People might listen to you, Katie, and think, okay, I believe that. I'll go to IYT, but the construction is completely different. Transport is market cap weighted, right? IYT is not, I think. So the impact of Avis, for instance, on transports is huge. The impact on IYT is very small. So what do you see for IYT? You always have to break apart the ETFs and know what you're buying when you buy them. There's the same problem with some of the consumer discretionary areas where you have no idea really what the underlying are. And you could be buying something totally unrelated to Amazon and the things that you're going for.

42:37So IYT is really nothing like the transportation average and the way it sets up. So I'd keep that in mind. It wouldn't be the best way to position for what we feel is an entry following this major breakout. Coming up, the pops and drops in today's session. We are digging into the moves in Best Buy, Philip Morris and Masco, all the headlines moving those names when Fast Money returns.

43:03Welcome back to Fast Money. Shares of Best Buy tumbling almost 5 percent after the electronics retailer announced a CEO transition. Jason Bonfig, the current chief customer product and fulfillment officer, will take over from Corey Berry on October 31st. He started at the company in 1999 as an inventory analyst. Berry has served as CEO since June 2019. Shares are basically flat under her tenure. What do you think of Best Buy, Grasso? So when I look at it on a chart, it doesn't really give you that much clarity. But I would have to assume that margins with the expense of memory chips and the expenses all around the process, everything that they sell, margins should be crimped.

43:41So I wouldn't be a fan of jumping in at this price level. All right. And tobacco giant Philip Morris jumping almost 7 percent, despite giving disappointing second quarter earnings guidance, cutting its full year forecast. The company behind Marlboro and Zinn Tobacco, nicotine pouch, I should say, did beat on the top and the bottom lines for the current quarter, thanks to strong sales of smoke-free products as a major driver. Tim. Yeah, I like this one. And kids at home, I don't like you out there with the tobacco. I do think that the heated tobacco as a product category was a nice beat. Zinn slippage a little bit, free cash flow, fantastic.

44:17This is continually a story of these guys having better numbers than the street was expecting from them. And I think it's a stock, along with staples that have actually sold off a little bit going into today's move. I think you stay in this one. All right. And shares of home improvement company, Masco, having a banner day up almost 11 percent. The company in its latest earnings report seeing improving demand, particularly in its plumbing supplies business. Quarterly earnings and revenue, both beating estimates, shares are now up 26 percent over the last four weeks. Katie, how does the chart look?

44:48Nice gap up today. So I'd watch that gap and it's around 73. Wouldn't want to see it fall right back within the gap. To me, it's a longer term range, but short term upside within that range. All right. I want to go back to Gene Munster. we got some more commentary from that conference call. Gene, what's the latest here? So we did get that number, Melissa, in terms of what that CapEx looks like. It sounds like$25 billion this year. That comes from like up eight from like$8 billion or so last year. So pretty big step up year over year. I'm scrambling to see where the street was at, but you kind of saw shares kind of drift lower.

45:24The tone on the call is basically trust us that we've made these kind of investments in the past and they've paid off handsomely. Right. And free cash flow will be negative as a result. That's correct. Yep. For the next three quarters. All right. Gene, thanks for keeping us posted. Gene Munster. And as Gene had mentioned, we went from up by about 4 % on the back of the earnings results to about up about a half a percent, quarter of a percent as a conference call is about 55 minutes in. Up next, final trades.

46:03Final trade time. Timbo. Constellation Energy, along with the other high-octane parts of the market this once was, and I think they are trading together, but the fundamentals support this one. Katie Softon. I have to go with Boeing. I like its long-term potential on the chart. Great to have you on the desk tonight, Katie. Dan. Yeah, IGV Software ETFs had a nice run here. I think tonight's results suggest you probably let this one go. Steve. United Airlines. Been in the news for probably the last week or so. I like it down 5 % today. Better entry level, United Air.

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