In short
Fast Money episode (1/8/26) focuses on stock-specific volatility and macro catalysts, especially Apple. Guests and desk: Katie Stockton (Fairlead Strategies founder/partner; chart-based technical analyst), Gene Munster (Deepwater Asset Management managing partner; long-term Apple bull), Mandy Hsu (SIBO head of derivatives market intelligence; options/volatility strategist).
Key claims
Apple is in an intermediate-term momentum shift—weekly MACD flipped to sell; 50-day and cloud support broken; next support around 243–244. They argue not to short near highs; wait for support discovery. Apple’s long-term trend and services growth (from ~23% to ~29%) remain positives; AI is viewed as a tailwind, not headwind, but valuation and memory-price margin risk are concerns.
Notable examples
Palantir short call mentioned; Microsoft support near 460; rotation out of MAG7 into cyclicals. Other segments: GM takes $7.1B EV/China charges; Deere/ag stocks rally tied to Venezuela export recovery; Fed chair odds favor Kevin Warsh; derivatives show rising single-stock volatility and gold becoming more correlated to equities.
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Chapters
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0:00 to 0:22
Discussion on Apple's recent stock performance and market trends.
“Mazda has been named Consumer Reports' safest new car brand.”
Apple's Decline and Market Position
1:42 to 2:52
Discussion on Apple's recent stock performance and market trends.
“We start off with that shakeup among the MAG7 heavyweights.”
Chart Analysis and Predictions
2:52 to 4:24
Analyzing Apple's stock charts and potential future movements.
“You know, we actually don't advocate selling stocks or shorting stocks, I should say, that are not too far off their highs.”
Market Reactions and Economic Factors
4:24 to 7:12
Exploring how macroeconomic factors affect Apple's stock and market trends.
“Yeah, I mean, late to the dance in AI, I think is a tailwind, not a headwind.”
Geopolitical Risks and Apple's Future
7:12 to 8:10
Discussing the potential impact of geopolitical issues on Apple's stock.
“I mean, the Apple-China relationship is still, I mean, it's always been tenuous, but more so now given what's going on.”
Apple's Margins and Cost Pressures
8:10 to 14:00
Analysis of how rising costs could impact Apple's margins and stock performance.
“out above minor resistance levels while these mega caps pull back?”
Analyzing Apple's Margin Concerns
14:00 to 15:07
Learn about Apple's margin pressures and historical performance.
“I mean, those costs are starting to get a little out of control.”
A Balanced View on Apple's Future
15:07 to 16:15
Explore differing perspectives on Apple's future amidst market challenges.
“Gene Munster of Deepwater Asset Management.”
Trump's Mortgage Rate Strategy
16:20 to 16:58
Understand President Trump's recent actions to lower mortgage rates.
“Meantime, President Trump making some moves to try to bring down mortgage rates.”
Legal Implications of Trump’s Mortgage Bonds
16:58 to 18:26
Discuss the legality and potential ramifications of Trump's mortgage bond purchases.
“It's an interesting move, Melissa, because for a number of reasons.”
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House Passes ACA Tax Credit Extension
18:26 to 20:55
Learn about the House passing an extension for ACA tax credits and its significance.
“Yeah, me neither on the law school bit, almost.”
Impact on Healthcare Stocks from ACA Changes
20:55 to 21:32
Examine the potential effects of ACA tax credit changes on healthcare stocks.
“And with midterms coming up, it's a political stance that would be intolerable to let that much of an increase go through.”
GM's $7 Billion Charge Explained
23:12 to 24:25
Discuss General Motors' significant financial charges related to EVs.
“Shares lower if the company announced a$7 billion charge on its pullback from EVs and its China restructuring.”
Stock Market Reactions to GM's Charges
24:25 to 26:19
Analyze the stock market's response to GM's EV-related charges and trends.
“They tend to trade in tandem, so it's not surprising that Ford is also at or just above a 52-week high or close to a 52-week high.”
Looking Ahead: Agriculture Stocks Performance
26:19 to 27:16
Explore the current performance and future potential of agriculture stocks.
“I think they came out with like 170, 180 ,000.”
Wrap-Up on Agriculture and Energy
27:48 to 28:42
Summarizing agriculture and energy discussions as we conclude the show.
“So while others are busy talking, we're busy building.”
Deere's Big Day and Venezuela's Impact
28:50 to 29:56
Discover how events in Venezuela are boosting agriculture stocks.
“Other agriculture and seed stocks like Bungie, Archer Daniels, Scott's Miracle-Gro and Caterpillar are also in the green today.”
Market Volatility and Sector Rotation
29:56 to 31:04
Explore the rise in market volatility and shifts among sectors.
“Are there are there no concerns about the security, about the stability of government?”
Fed Chair Speculation and its Implications
31:04 to 33:19
Uncover the implications of the expected new Fed chair on the market.
“The S &P virtually unchanged, but the Dow added 270 points, its fourth positive session in five.”
Shifting Towards Individual Stock Risks
33:19 to 36:43
Learn how investors are moving focus from macro risks to individual stocks.
“Meantime, the SIBO finds investors are shifting away from macro risk to single stock and sector risks.”
Gold as a Risk Asset
36:43 to 38:42
Understand the changing role of gold in investment portfolios.
“So, Katie, in terms of hedging, what would you like to add?”
AbbVie's Patent Cliff and Market Dynamics
42:00 to 43:33
Explore the implications of AbbVie's patent cliff and the potential for biotech acquisitions.
“Yesterday, The Wall Street Journal reported that AbbVie was considering a deal for that company, but AbbVie later denied that report.”
Constellation Brands Earnings and Market Concerns
43:33 to 45:55
Analyze Constellation Brands' earnings report and the challenges predicted for the beer market.
“Shares of Constellation Brands bubbling higher today, up over 5 % after the beer maker top revenue and EPS estimates in its latest earnings report.”
Final Trades and Market Predictions
45:55 to 47:15
Discuss the hosts' final trades and predictions for stocks going forward.
“Beer is sort of the long tail that's really dying right now.”
Transcript
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1:02Tim Seymour:Live from the Nasdaq market site in the heart of New York City's Times Square, this is Fast Money. Here's what's on tap tonight. Bad Apple shares of the iPhone maker off to a rough start this year and falling behind a key rival in the tech race. But is there any reason to bite into the stock now? We'll debate that. And we dig into the latest odds on the next Fed chair after reports the president has landed on his pick to replace Jerome Powell. Plus, a big box bump. What's driving shares of Costco? Harvesting gains in the ag stocks and The Constellation brand shining bright today. What's got the beer maker buzzing after earnings?
1:33Tim Seymour:I'm Melissa Lee. Come to you live from Studio B at the NASDAQ. On the desk tonight, Steve Rossa, Fano and Eisen, Guy Adami, and Katie Stockton, founder and managing partner at Fairlead Strategies. We start off with that shakeup among the MAG7 heavyweights. Alphabet shares hitting an all-time high today, closing with a stoned throw of a trillion-dollar market capitalization. The Google parent furthering its lead over Apple. The iPhone maker now in a seven-day losing streak, losing more than 5 % in that time. And it's underperformed most of its MAG7 peers over the past year. Only Meta has seen a smaller gain in the last 12 months.
2:05Tim Seymour:And after consulting the charts, as she is known to do, Katie Stockton says the damage is not done yet. Katie, in fact, you say, what about Apple? You know, it does seem like it's more than just a short-term shift. We think it's an intermediate-term shift. We see it in the indicators. The weekly MACD for one has flipped to a sell signal. and that is something that should interrupt the uptrend for more than just a couple of weeks. We've already seen this peak lead to a decline of more than 11 percent from the recent high early December for Apple. That means that we've seen the 50-day moving average taken out and now also our trusty cloud-based support level.
2:42The next support that we see on Apple's chart is around 243, 6 to 7 percent below current levels. And we think it's a momentum shift that bears watching. The good news is that the long-term trend is still very much intact, and our long-term metrics, monthly indicators, if you will, are still generally positive.
3:00Tim Seymour:So there is a sell signal. So you're saying to sell Apple. Does that include shorting Apple? You know, we actually don't advocate selling stocks or shorting stocks, I should say, that are not too far off their highs. We feel like long-term uptrends are a little dicier to sell short. That said, we actually did put out a short recommendation recently on Palantir that got a little controversial, I think. But we feel that we are going to see this correction deepen for Apple. And at a very minimum, somebody who's willing to or looking to add exposure should probably wait for some support discovery lower.
3:35Right. What do you think of this? She makes sense. I mean, it's a long term uptrend from March of 2020 was probably a$50 stock. And those points are pretty, I mean, we can draw the trend line as Carter says they draw themselves. And into earnings, the weakness is noteworthy, I think. And others are sort of taking the lead from Apple right now. I think a 243 level makes sense for a lot of reasons. I'll say this, and I think Katie would agree. You know, with passive investing and the amount of ETFs that Apple is in, the amount of funds, it's very hard for Apple to have a material move lower. But with that said, a 243 price target from here is significant.
4:09So I agree with her.
4:10Tim Seymour:There are already questions about its valuation, questions about its AI product or lack thereof. so far. There are also now questions about memory prices and what that will do to gross margins with the surge that we've seen in the memory stocks in the demand there, Steve. Yeah, I mean, late to the dance in AI, I think is a tailwind, not a headwind. I think they didn't waste money. There was a huge amount of CapEx that was probably wasted. If I look at the chart in Meta, that doesn't look very bullish to me. If I look at the chart in Microsoft, that doesn't look very bullish to me. If you put your hat on Google and NVIDIA, those are the best charts in the space.
4:46my problem is the install base. 2.35 billion, maybe I missed another million or so there, but 2.35 billion with a cloud, with recurring revenue, with a whole bunch of cash that can be used, I would probably say maybe stay in the name and see how it reacts.
5:07Tim Seymour:Because you are on this desk, I think, the guy who probably lets your trades be most informed by the charts. Yeah. Yeah, and you're saying, I don't care what the charts say right now. No, no, I agree with, Guy started off with saying you could see that in the chart. I agree with her analysis is spot on. But also, when you come out and you say, when you look at this chart, it broke that uptrend line. It's definitive that it broke it. But I think we're more on macro now. So two-thirds of all stocks trade with the overall market. So where does the market go? That's where Apple goes. Well, it's really a question of do you want to kind of deploy new money to chase a 5 % or 6 % pullback?
5:45So, again, I'm not a chartist, but I understand them all enough. I understand Katie's thesis here. Clearly, you've taken out some significant. She mentioned 250-day moving average. She also mentioned MACD. I'm not sure where it is on the RSI, but so I understand. I think it's a very cogent argument. I guess my question is if you have a defensive type of posturing, We've already seen a rotation kind of out of tech and into more cyclical names. If you are to see a reversal of that, I'm still not sure that people want to get too far away from this name. I think you've got, what is it,$100 billion in annual free cash flow or something like that?
6:24The valuation, I think, is the real pushback. Do you really want to be paying low 30s for a bond-like compounder? With that said, that services has gone, I believe, from 23 % to approaching 29%. So that's really where the real margin story is. So to kind of hearken Carter, to me, it's more of a pair of twos than it is a bearish type of setup. I understand. I don't see a ton of upside absent in AI. But I think I'm a little bit more cautious on going in and saying, actually, this is a name that I would either look to get out of or look to establish a new short position. You're looking for levels.
6:59I think for most people out there, if they haven't been in the name, they're looking for levels to sort of initiate a long position. So I think Katie's right. What we haven't brought up, and I think there is some existential geopolitical risk here without question. I mean, the Apple-China relationship is still, I mean, it's always been tenuous, but more so now given what's going on. And there's supposed to be a meeting between our president and President Xi, I think, in April. We'll see if that happens. But, you know, with what's going on in Venezuela, Tim talks about it all the time. as much as it's about energy, it's about China, you wonder what the next levers are going to be pulled over there.
7:32Tim Seymour:To Steve's point, I mean, does the Apple chart look any worse than any of the other Mag 7s? Yeah, it really is more of a Mag 7 story in some because the deterioration behind Microsoft, behind Meta, even behind NVIDIA, it's pretty notable, and it impacts these relative strength ratios in a meaningful way in that the uptrend drawn back to the April low has now been broken. So that makes us wonder if maybe this shift isn't something that could stay with the market, maybe for much of Q1. And that might be enough of a reason for some people to rotate. And I think we're seeing some of that already, you know, with the start of the year.
8:09Will it be as dramatic as it has been, where we have the sort of small and mid caps breaking out above minor resistance levels while these mega caps pull back? I think that drama will start to resolve itself.
8:22Tim Seymour:OK, but you're saying Q1 is really the key time frame for this sort of downturn. That's right. For the corrective price action, the indications that we have really are only for that time frame. And we generally work under the assumption that technology will lead the market higher when the market is going higher. Right. So we're looking for a volatile Q1 and then we'll see ideally some great buying opportunities. Yeah. When you look when you look at the chart and you stated this, the pullback, I find the October level pretty interesting. So the 240, 244 level, I think that's where you could start to say if it trades down that low, I would be a buyer.
8:57That's where it could stabilize. When you look at the other charts, I think you do have to wait to see how CapEx plays out. And if you just mentioned it, mid cap, small cap, those are the ones that took over when you see 30, 35 percent of the S &P is this mega cap tech names. And the reason why the S &P outperformed a lot of these Max 7 names is that Google and NVIDIA outperformed by a large margin.
9:26Tim Seymour:This is a good setup that going into earnings. I mean, granted, we're weeks away from earnings, but we were just lamenting how banks were running into earnings hard. And that is not a good setup. And here we are. We've got the reverse situation. Points maybe for some sort of catalyst. No, without question. But I think I think Katie's point is it could be a better setup in the earnings over the next couple of weeks. And that's your catalyst. I'm glad you brought up Microsoft real quick. I mean, that's been a complete underperformer now since basically Halloween. I think they report on the 28th.
9:54So you're talking about a stock that could be a really interesting setup in earnings. The underperformance of Microsoft could stand out. And that could be, you know, this four 60 level. Go back to July of 2024 when it made an all time high right around four 65. Katie probably is bringing it up now. That's your ultimate support level. And that, if it gets down there in earnings, could be really interesting. Yeah, Microsoft is right down on 200-day moving average as well. And it's the first one that shows signs of downside exhaustion from a short-term perspective. I'm not ready to go in front of it yet.
10:25But we want to see a little bit more in terms of the momentum shift. But I think it's promising.
10:31Tim Seymour:Well, despite Apple's underperformance, fast money friend Gene Munster is still bullish on the iPhone maker. He's managing partner at Deepwater Asset Management, joins us now. Gene, great to have you with us. We're not asking about the performance in Q1, but I'm just wondering what do you see as the reason to be long this name for whatever time frame it is? Is it the anticipation of a meaningful sort of entry into the AI market in some way? What is it? That's part of it. I think we have a near-term catalyst around December earnings. We have a catalyst, I think, on the 2026 earnings. And last, I think we have just a macro catalyst.
11:10There's the catalyst around the Siri release. Then there's a bigger macro catalyst that hasn't been talked a lot about, which is on just a company and what's going on in the AI devices market. And actually, I want to start there because I think it's something that largely gets underappreciated about the Apple story. If we look at what happened with Tesla over the past few years about the car business shifting to a physical AI story, Elon's done a marvelous job of kind of recapping that investment view of just this company that's uniquely positioned to capitalize on physical AI. In the case of Apple, as we have a venture business and a public business, there's a lot going on when it comes to the devices, the consumer device side around AI.
11:53Lots of investments are being made. And ultimately, I think part of the reason is that there's just fundamentally an opportunity for a company to be an AI device company. And that really hasn't happened. We can't point to any devices that are like profoundly AI. But Apple is in a great position to capitalize on that over the next few years. That's kind of the long term. And then just jumping back more to the near term is Apple, of course, tends to beat their numbers. They guided the December revenue for 10 to 12 percent growth. The street's at 10 and a half. They're probably going to do 13. And so you have some upside to numbers at the end of this month.
12:27And then, as you mentioned, this whole new Siri, the jury's out. It's going to be probably one of the most entertaining stories in the first half of this year is how the new Siri does when it comes to tech. But that's going to be a pivotal moment in terms of Apple's multiple.
12:41Tim Seymour:Let's say all those catalysts come to fruition, Gene, the ones that you just rattled off. What happens, though, to the stock story if China is still a problem, whether it be because of geopolitical reasons or just economic reasons? Can there be a strong Apple stock story if China is weak? You know, when talking about that risk, I was getting uncomfortable because I think that speaks to, you know, you're talking to somebody who's optimistic about Apple, but that, I think, is the risk, the pressure point here. The simple answer is that if something goes awry with China, with Taiwan, but let me back up.
13:21If something goes awry on the trade side, Cook has navigated that. That's not a concern. But if there is something bigger geopolitically going on, you mentioned Venezuela early and all of that, Apple is going to get pulled down. I'm going to be wrong on this. And ultimately, the reason is that 16 percent of their revenue and 45 percent of their products are built in China. That's just going to be a hard narrative to shake. And so that probably is part of why, you know, my optimistic view is that probably sits in the back of investors' minds as they think about 2026. Gene, Apple does a great job keeping their suppliers in line in terms of costs.
13:59But, you know, we talk about yesterday, I think we led the show with all these memory stocks. I mean, those costs are starting to get a little out of control. Are their margins jeopardized in any way going forward? Yeah, it could weigh on margins. I would say that, you know, that's going to be one of the big focuses going in here, just as some perspective, is that in 2019, 2020, their gross margins were 38%. They hit record in the September quarter, 36.7%. So we've had this, that's just a massive increase over the past nine years. You know, can the stock, to answer your question, I think that that is, there is some risk around what they say on the margin story.
14:41The positive side is that typically what we see with this pricing is that eventually it reverts back to lower pricing. Historically, when we've seen some of those increases in pricing within a few quarters, it kind of reverses back. I don't know what that commentary is to Micron and SK Hynex, but as far as Apple, yes, it would be a negative. It's something on my mind going into the quarter, but it doesn't really change how I feel about the stock this year.
15:06Tim Seymour:All right. Gene, great to speak with you. Thank you. Thank you. Gene Munster of Deepwater Asset Management. So, Bonoan, how do you feel about Apple? I mean, And so you still say go with the fundamental story. Gene lays out a very positive one. Can you see those catalysts being there? You just don't buy into it. It's not that I don't buy into it. I think that he presented, I mean, I didn't really take a massively bull case from him, just like I'm not taking a massively bearish case from Katie. I think it's a balanced approach. You do have this geopolitical overhang. You have some of the price pressures from memory overhang.
15:38But you do also have this robust fundamental story and a tremendous install base. China, I mean, I don't know how to start to handicap that risk there. I don't think many people do. That's kind of like the issue there. So, again, I just think it is a bond-like compounder. I think that it's going to retain somewhat of its premium multiple because of its premium execution and the shift towards services. And then you do have the AI unknown, which, like Steve said, I think, if anything, that will eventually be a tailwind. So it's more a situation as I don't really see a strong catalyst one way or the other.
16:14But I do think that the core fundamentals are strong enough where you don't want to get too far away or offsides on this name.
16:20Tim Seymour:All right. Meantime, President Trump making some moves to try to bring down mortgage rates. Eamon Javerne is here with the details. Eamon. Yeah, Melissa, an interesting post on social media from the president here just a short time ago. The president saying because I chose not to sell Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in my first term, a truly great decision. And against the advice of the experts, it is now worth many times that amount, an absolute fortune and has$200 billion in cash. Because of this, I am instructing my representatives to buy$200 billion in mortgage bonds. This will drive mortgage rates down, monthly payments down and make the cost of owning a home more affordable.
16:59It's an interesting move, Melissa, because for a number of reasons. One is it continues this theme of attacking the affordability problem for Americans that the president has been on all week. You know, he's taken a number of actions designed to bring costs down in a whole host of industries. This one now also focused on housing, as we saw earlier in the week. And the second is we don't know exactly how this is going to work. The president here is using a vague term, my representatives, to purchase this. So which representatives is he talking about is an interesting question. The president has been a proponent in the past of bringing back QE and the idea of the Fed sort of doing that QE.
17:39This seems to be sort of maybe a twist on that idea, Melissa, the idea of using Freddie and Fannie's cash reserves as a sort of a QE stimulus going into the new year. Melissa, back over to you.
17:51Tim Seymour:Is this legal? Can he do I mean, can these funds that are held by Freddie and Fannie actually be deployed like that at the at the direction of the president? Well, we'll find out. I mean, I think anything, when you move a large amount of money, you can just assume that there will be lawsuits challenging it. But, you know, the U.S. government took over Freddie and Fannie. The U.S. government controls them and presumably can dictate their actions to some degree. You know, I didn't go to law school, but it seems pretty clear that the guy who's in charge is the guy who can tell them what to do. Yeah, me neither on the law school bit, almost.
18:30Tim Seymour:But no, I didn't make it. Missed opportunity for both of us. Yeah, exactly. Still not too late, maybe. Eamon, thank you. Eamon Javers. This is interesting. I mean, if the problem really is that people are paralyzed in their homes because they've got low mortgage rates, you bring rates down and it increases the velocity of transactions, if this can happen and if this actually has the desired effect, Guy. It sounds like, I mean, he's looking at the Federal Reserve. I mean, it's a bond purchasing from the I would imagine. I don't know what representatives he's talking about, but that would be it.
19:03Now, that's great. And, you know, they're obviously I don't want to say clutching at stores, but they're trying a lot of different things. It's all how the bond market reacts to this. Right. And obviously, you've had a pretty stubborn bond market over the last couple of months. Rates don't want to seem to go down in the duration that they need to. We'll see how it reacts tomorrow.
19:20Tim Seymour:On paper, this should have the intended effect. But you don't really know. You don't know. Right. We've got some breaking news we want to get to. ACA vote in the House. Emily Wilkins got the details. Emily. Hey, Melissa. Well, yes, the House has now passed a three-year extension of those tax credits to help keep health care premiums for the Affordable Care Act low. You actually saw 17 Republicans, more than I think we were expecting, join with all Democrats to move that bill forward. It now goes to the Senate. Remember, the Senate already considered this proposal, and it did not go forward. However, it does show that there is bipartisan momentum for keeping these credits in some way, shape and form.
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19:57And a bipartisan group of senators they met today, they're discussing a two-year extension of the tax credits, including some income caps to ensure that the tax credits only go to middle and lower income Americans, as well as some other things to address waste, fraud and abuse. Of course, something hugely watched by the health care and the insurance industry right now, as far as whether or not these tax credits will continue, because millions of Americans have already seen their health care premiums double with the end of these credits. Lawmakers say they think that if they can get a solution by the time that January is over, they can reopen the exchanges, redo enrollment.
20:32But they still have some sticking points to go, including whether they should be using federal funds for abortion and whether there needs to be language in the bill clarifying that. So more work to go, but certainly some big momentum coming out of the House with this vote.
20:44Tim Seymour:Melissa? Emily, thank you. Emily Wilkins. And regardless of where you stand on whether or not ACA tax credit should exist, blah, blah, blah. This is good news in terms of the shock that will be avoided to many American households who face their bill for health care going up astronomically, basically overnight, if this didn't get passed. 100 percent. And with midterms coming up, it's a political stance that would be intolerable to let that much of an increase go through. Watch your UNH, watch Centene, watch CVS, watch Molina. All of those names are the ones that benefit the most. Their stocks should see a rise.
21:20Tim Seymour:All right, coming up, shares of GM getting hit after hours. The latest charges taking a bite out of the bottom line. That's next. Plus, harvesting some gains in ag stocks. The name's continuing to grow and where our traders see the space heading next. Don't go anywhere. Fast Money's back in two.
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23:12Tim Seymour:Welcome back to Fast Money. A news alert on GM. Shares lower if the company announced a$7 billion charge on its pullback from EVs and its China restructuring. Phil Obeau's got the details on this. Hey, Phil. Melissa, not a huge surprise given the fact that General Motors forecasted that it would have a series of EV charges going in to 2026. That came out a couple of months ago when they took a charge for the third quarter. Well, here's what they're doing for the fourth quarter. And all of this spelled out in an AK that dropped after hours. Total of$7.1 billion in charges for the fourth quarter.
23:43$6 billion will be pre-tax EV impairment charges as they write down assets, deal with contracts for their EV business that is winding down, or at least scaling down. Not winding down, scaling down from what it was. China operations, as they continue to restructure in that country, another$1.1 billion in charges. And as I mentioned, as you take a look at shares of General Motors, they forecasted this back at the time of taking charges for the third quarter. And they said again today there will be more EV charges in 2025. They took$1.6 billion in the third quarter. Also take a look at shares of Ford.
24:20You see GM is at a 52-week high, not much different from Ford. They tend to trade in tandem, so it's not surprising that Ford is also at or just above a 52-week high or close to a 52-week high. It announced a while back that it's taking$19.5 billion in EV-related charges as it restructures its EV operations. As you take a look at shares of GM and Ford and Tesla, we're only showing the last three months, Melissa, but it's been clear, even though the EV business, the market share is 7.4 % for all of 2025, investors are saying, we like what GM and Ford are doing. They are prioritizing the high-profit, in-demand vehicles, ICE models primarily, that are hot right now.
25:07And that's why these shares have been moving higher. Melissa, back to you.
25:11Tim Seymour:Phil, thanks. Phil LeBeau, of course, ICE being internal combustion engine. How do the charts look? You know, both near their highs, or at least recent highs. But there's, on GM's chart, a long-term indication of trend exhaustion that would support a four-month consolidation phase. Maybe this could be the catalyst for that. And consolidation could be sideways to slightly lower from here. It doesn't mean it's going to cascade lower. And listen, for context, Ford took a – it was three times the size that GM is taking now. So, listen, GM to me is still the better of the two stocks. I don't know necessarily in terms of cars, but I think you buy this pullback in GM.
25:50I'm with Katie that it could go sideways, but GM has a lot of runway to the upside valuation. Yeah, Phil said it. They're selling cars that people want to buy. The number one car that's been sold for the last 20 years is the Ford F-150. You knew that, right? And on top of that, if we look at rates, rates go lower, they sell more cars. I would still be a buyer of both these companies. Well, there's just no way they're going to get to their pre-released EV mandate. What was it, a million cars by 2025? I mean, it wasn't going to happen. I think they came out with like 170, 180 ,000. So I think kind of taking it on the chin a little bit in the short term was slightly painful.
26:26But like when you think about a cyclical capital intensive business, you probably want to see this capital discipline and acknowledge that, listen, China and this EV is really not where we're making money. It's not the highest margin in terms of our product offering. And so I think it's healthy. But I do think perhaps to Katie's point, it may be a catalyst for some sideways or slightly downward trading.
26:48Tim Seymour:There's a lot more fast money to come. Here's what's coming up next. Growing gains. Agriculture stocks reaping a hefty harvest today. What's behind the strength and which names could keep plowing higher? Plus, a lot of macro headlines moving markets, but it's single stock volatility catching our next guest's attention and how jobs data and earnings could swing stocks. You're watching Fast Money live from the NASDAQ market site in Times Square. We're back right after this. So you're saying with Hilton Honors, I can use points for a free night stay anywhere? Anywhere. What about fancy places like the Canopy in Paris?
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28:50Tim Seymour:Welcome back to Fast Money. Deere having its best day since April. Other agriculture and seed stocks like Bungie, Archer Daniels, Scott's Miracle-Gro and Caterpillar are also in the green today. Steve said it is related to what's going on in Venezuela. How so? The market always prices in the longer-term effects. So we're always about static, 30 % of exports to Venezuela. But we've had defaults. So these companies were never getting paid. Now they're actually going to start getting paid, and it could move up to a 50 % market share. Corn, seeds, oils. You have 30 million people who need food. These are the companies, in addition to, you listed them, John Deere to a lesser extent, Caterpillar to a lesser extent.
29:30But I think you have to look at the corn stocks, the seed stocks, the bio stocks, all these names. When you think about oil, oil is going to take months, if not years, to get going. This could be at their shores in weeks. That means that profits could be in the bank accounts very quickly. It's a flywheel because now they're actually going to have money to pay for these to pay for this food versus just acquiring a long balance sheet of never paid goods.
29:56Tim Seymour:Are there are there no concerns about the security, about the stability of government? Like you think, oh, yeah, it's just I think. But if the United States is really overlooking the purse strings to Venezuela, I think there's a huge bet that our companies are going to do a lot of the exporting there. And think about it. Who's the competition? Russia and Turkey. We're going to get that share. Any of these charts look good to you? Yeah, you know, I'm really interested in the DBA ETF. It's got this interesting breakout above its 200-day moving average. So it's another way to take on this trade, actually go for the commodities themselves.
30:32And it's a great diversifier for a portfolio.
30:35Tim Seymour:Coming up, volatility on the rise. But as the single stock swings, catch your next guest's attention. The name standing out to her and how the macro headlines are impacting the markets. Fast Money is back in two.
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31:04Tim Seymour:Welcome back to Fast Money. A mixed day for major indices. The Nasdaq down about half a percent. The S &P virtually unchanged, but the Dow added 270 points, its fourth positive session in five. And small cap Russell 2000 jumping more than one percent, closing at a fresh record high. Expedia, Tapestry, Valero, TJX and Ulta all hitting records of their own. and shares of Costco rising after posting strong December sales last night. Analysts at Oppenheimer are saying the company offers a superior value proposition and could benefit from positioning to a relatively higher income customer. They also say special dividend, increase the dividends.
31:37Tim Seymour:That could also be a catalyst for investors. Well, the horse race for the next Fed chair heating up as The New York Times reports President Trump has decided on his pick. According to Calci, the world's largest prediction market, former Fed Governor Kevin Warsh, now the frontrunner, passing longtime favorite Kevin Hassett. Warsh's odds currently at 40 percent. He is perceived as potentially more independent than a Kevin Hassett, which would presumably be a good thing in terms of credibility of the Fed. I think that's the biggest question. I'm not really sure that the name necessarily matters, aside from particularly Hassett in particular.
32:15It's really going to be, Do we have Fed independent credibility? And as I've mentioned before, I do think both rates and precious metals have indicated that there have been questions around that. I think the recent news that we just heard today around Freddie and Fannie and somewhat kind of undermining the Federal Reserve, call it QE light or QE derivative. I think, you know, once some of that gets buttoned up and we, you know, have a one, just have some certainty in terms of who's going to be there. And then the other thing that I think is kind of flying under the radar is that the terms of the existing governors, I believe, have been renewed for some time.
32:53So there will be some continuity. I think right now people are kind of positioning. I think there's been a lot of rhetoric that has created some unease. But ultimately, I think the independence of the Federal Reserve will be established and maintained. Yeah, I think quickly, Kevin Walsh would assuage any concerns far more so than the other Kevin, in my opinion. So I think that on the margins is positive because I do think he's probably far more independent than the rest of the candidates for the job.
33:18Tim Seymour:All right. Meantime, the SIBO finds investors are shifting away from macro risk to single stock and sector risks. Mandy Hsu, the firm's head of derivatives market intelligence, is here on set with us. Mandy, great to have you with us. Happy New Year to you. You too. Great to be here. So the shift away from macro into individual stocks, is it still mag seven? It's not. It's actually there's more sector rotation. And you saw today actually a great example of that. Right. So people shifting away from tech, going to some of the sectors that were maybe underperforming last year. I think that the best three performance sectors today were the three worst from last last year.
33:52So you are seeing more and more rotation underneath the surface, more thematic plays away from Mac seven, away from tech into maybe defense names, into, you know, other other names, you know, that are maybe underperformed recently. So we are seeing that. We're seeing in terms of volatility at the single stock level really picking up relative to the index. So that tells you people are more focused on these idiosyncratic risks.
34:17Tim Seymour:How do you interpret the move away, the churn away from MAG7? Do you see that as permanent? I mean, what are you seeing in terms of how they're positioning? Sure. So we are seeing increasing risk being priced into the tech sector. So whether you're looking at the QQQ, the ETF, or we actually recently launched options on the SIBO MAC-10 index, which is MAC-7 plus three other AI stocks. And in both instances, we're seeing increasing implied volatility or expected volatility for the sector relative to, say, the broader market. So we are seeing that in the options market. You know, Mandy, gold has historically been, if there's a downturn in the equity market, sort of a hedge.
34:53You're suggesting that maybe not so much anymore. Yeah, so I mean, gold has been on a phenomenal run, right, up 60 plus percent last year. And a lot of people look at gold as a potential hedge to their equity portfolio. You hear it as, you know, it's a safe haven. And especially after 2022, when people got burned with, you know, bonds selling off in addition to stocks, looking at alternative hedges. And what we've noticed is that over the past couple of months, gold has become actually increasingly positively correlated to stocks. So that correlation went from negative to positive. So it's behaving like a risk asset.
35:26And that matters, obviously, if you're holding gold for that diversification benefit. I would say, you know, maybe reevaluate and look at other hedges potentially. But, you know, there are other reasons to be bullish for gold. But as a hedge, I would say that that is something that I would be aware of. What's the newest product, the newest derivative that you're starting to see some traction off of? That's more of a sign of the times. Everything that we're talking about now. But is there something that sticks out to you as this is different from the past and people are migrating to that to hedge?
35:53In terms of hedging, I wouldn't say it's necessarily new. But, you know, over the past year, two years, we've seen this huge rise in terms of option-based ETFs, in terms of the AUM being gathered. It's kind of a hot new product, even though the strategies embedded into these ETFs have been around for a very long time. And I think they've been very successful as a way, easier way for people to access options. Right. So instead of learning about calls and puts, what option chain, what strikes. Now it's a ticker. You buy a ticker, and that fund manages the option strategy on your behalf. And I think another reason why it's been popular, going back to the gold comment, is post-2022, people looking for other ways to head their portfolio.
36:34Options have been a really great alternative that people have looked at. So I think those two factors combined, we've seen this big growth in terms of the AUM and these strategies.
36:43Tim Seymour:All right, Mandy, great to see you. Thank you. Mandy Hsu of SIBO. So, Katie, in terms of hedging, what would you like to add? KATIE HILLERSON - Yeah, you know, in terms of hedging, we do look at the VIX products, of course, and I know they're very hard to time, but they can be incredibly added value. We have been recommending hedges since about mid-October, and with the sense that if we were to see the triple Qs or the NASDAQ 100 break down from its triangle formation, that we would increase those hedging strategies, because that would increase downside risk, make the correction look like something that could be deeper and more prolonged.
37:18So there is risk of that. But as it stands within the triangle, it's more of a neutral formation. So we're not actively saying take that VIX or inverse exposure. Yeah, I'm curious in terms of the comments she was making about people making less macro bets. I wonder if given the constitution of the S &P, the rotation that we're seeing away from the MAG-7 means that the S &P or the VIX related to that is no longer the best proxy hedge for your overall portfolio. When you're seeing a ton of action and names that are 35%, 40%, then the VIX is clearly like a nice proxy for you to have there. And so I'm not sure if that's a complete structural rotation away from that or just the fact that the VIX doesn't make the same type of proxy hedge when you're trading in more XLI, industrial, and cyclical type names.
38:06Tim Seymour:Right. Does the comment on gold concern you, Guy, that is more risk on? A little bit, but not really, because if you heard Mandy say, If you're in it for the hedge against the portfolio, it's one thing. But I think the reasons to be long gold clearly outweigh any portfolio management against a downturn in the market. How does the gold chart look to you? It looks good. I mean, as a technician, you can't really be bearish gold, of course. But I'm a little concerned by the day-to-day pickup in volatility for silver. It's not scientific, but it is something that we have found tends to precede more volatility to the downside versus the upside.
38:42Tim Seymour:Coming up, Merck's Biotech Buy, how the pharma giant's latest deal could boost the stock, plus a new CNBC initiative raising awareness for rare diseases. We'll bring you more on that when Fast Money returns.
39:01Tim Seymour:Welcome back to Fast Money. Today we are launching CNBC Cures, a new initiative raising awareness of rare diseases and improving outcomes for people who have them. It's a cause near and dear to our friend and colleague, Becky Quick, whose daughter, Kaylee, is one of the 30 million Americans living with a rare disease. Six years ago, Kaylee was diagnosed with a neurodevelopmental condition called SYNGAP1. Learning how to parent a child with a rare disease changed her world in ways she could have never imagined. You start to peel back and worry about what might not happen for her. And I remember at first thinking, okay, being mad when he said maybe she's not going to be a Fortune 500 CEO.
39:41And then thinking, if we could just get her to college, that would be great. And then thinking, well, she doesn't have to go to college.
39:50Tim Seymour:If she can just find something that she loves doing. And then you start rolling it back, and it's like, if she can just walk. If she can just talk. If she can just find a friend. I want to say it was the first birthday party. It felt like a wake. And now for the green and open. There was something so wrong with it. And we were just, we knew we were trying to be happy. And we were trying to celebrate it. Happy birthday to you. But she couldn't blow out the candle. Right? Like, we weren't there yet. And she wasn't able to do that. So we kind of faked it because we wanted to make it feel like it was normal.
40:37And it wasn't normal. And we knew it.
40:42Tim Seymour:One in 10 Americans have a rare disease and as many as 400 million people around the globe. You can check out Becky's new podcast series, The Path with Becky Quick. And on March 3rd, we're hosting the CNBC Cures Summit, a live event focused entirely on rare diseases. You can register for that and hear more about Becky's rare disease journey at CNBC.com slash cures. I do want to say I commend Becky for sharing her story, for sharing that personal side of her life, very personal. It was very courageous of her to decide to do, but she ultimately, she told me, decided to do it because she felt that CNBC offered a great platform to, you know, to hopefully spur companies, spur doctors to start looking into potential cures and to connect families who are going through the same journey.
41:29100 percent. I mean, Becky was one of the first people I met at the network over 20 years ago. I've known Matt a long time as well. I mean, it's extraordinarily courageous of both of them to come out. But you know what? It's important as well, because this what we just saw now is going to make a huge difference going forward.
41:44Tim Seymour:Yeah. All right. So do check that out. The podcast, The Path with Becky Quick. Meantime, Merck today finalizing its acquisition of flu prevention drugmaker Sedara Therapeutics in a deal worth$9.2 billion. Shares get an additional boost late in the session on reports that the company is in talks to buy cancer drugmaker Revolution Medicines. Yesterday, The Wall Street Journal reported that AbbVie was considering a deal for that company, but AbbVie later denied that report. And this just shows you the acknowledgement that there is a patent cliff and that there, you know, that there is a need to acquire all these companies, which makes you think about all the potential targets as well.
42:20Yes, I've been looking at the patent cliff and it's really fascinating to see who has the most at risk, who has the least at risk. But they all have something at risk. So it goes to 70 percent of revenues down to 30 percent of revenues. But what it does amplify are all these companies that are from a billion dollars to 10 billion that are takeout targets. So watch those micro cap, the smaller cap biotech names. They're all going to be of interest. Everyone has to advance their pipeline and their profitability because they're going to lose a ton of revenue in the next couple of years.
42:54Tim Seymour:Revolution, by the way, is up in the after hours session on all of this. Significantly. Pull up a chart over the last couple of months and you'll see. I mean, Steve is right. We've talked about a lot of these names, but, you know, to your point about Merck, they've gotten themselves out of the penalty box because instead of playing defense, they're starting to play offense. And I think Wolf just upgraded the stock. Don't add me, but I think they put 135 price target on it. And I think that's reasonable, quite frankly. Just quickly, pharma or biotech for you? I think it's biotech. Clearly, you're taking more risk, but I think that's the name of the game right now.
43:26Tim Seymour:Coming up, Constellation Brands jumping after its latest earnings report. But could some customer concerns have the stock sobering up? We'll explain when Fast Money returns.
43:47Tim Seymour:Welcome back to Fast Money. Shares of Constellation Brands bubbling higher today, up over 5 % after the beer maker top revenue and EPS estimates in its latest earnings report. But the company warning about future beer sales, saying economic uncertainty and high unemployment could weigh on Hispanic consumers in particular, who account for nearly half of the company's U.S. beer sales. What did you make? It's a very interesting report in terms of how the CEO talked about the business and what they were talking about zip codes. The zip codes that had more than 20 percent Hispanic population, they saw the impact the most.
44:21You know, Wilford Frost, our old friend, put out a tweet today talking about this. It's pretty remarkable what's happened in alcohol beer sales over the last couple of years. What do I make of it in terms of the stock? Bit of a relief rally. And Katie can look at this. We just recently traded down to the lows we saw in 2020. And think about what was going on in the spring of 2020. So maybe this relief rally has legs. But I think the business is absolutely challenged, especially if you listen to those comments. Yeah, I agree with the relief rally having legs. We have almost an inverse head and shoulders pattern, which is a bottoming formation that usually has some duration to it.
44:56There is an interesting countertrend buy signal in November that allowed for this up move. And it got through already a couple of tiers of resistance. Next resistance looks like it's at the 200 day moving average. What do you make of this trade? It's tough for me to get behind it. I mean, I'm sure to Guy and Katie's points in the short term, you can make some money here. It's kind of, you know, it looks like it's based off of those lows. But I just think that the overall trend when it comes to beer, alcohol, and then you even saw some disparity, divergence between their beer sales and their spirit sales, their mixed drinks, et cetera.
45:33And that's where you're starting to see a lot of new entrants kind of come in and disrupt that space. You have cannabis-infused product as well. So I think it just makes for a challenging long-term setup. Over 80 % of the revenues are from beer to Bono's point. And it was declining with or without the immigrant force or whatnot. It doesn't matter the demographics. The demographics are people are drinking hard seltzers. They're drinking cannabis-infused. Beer is sort of the long tail that's really dying right now. And with over 80 % reliant on revenues, I probably wouldn't buy it here.
46:05Tim Seymour:Up next, Final Trades.
46:11Tim Seymour:Talk of the Final Trades, Steve. You weren't here two weeks ago last week. Whatever it was, you weren't here. But Dan Ives was sitting right here, and he gave me Serv Robotics. I bought that one. It was up 56%. Sold it. He gave me another one today. Sound. 80. I like Texas Instruments, so TXN. It has a short-term breakout within its five-year trading range. It's an emerging player, I think, in the 70s. Bonoan. Looks like Costco's reversed that short-term downtrend. Costco. SLB Corp, sister. All right. Thanks for watching. Fassie Becker, Tamar 5, Mad Money with Jim Cramer starts right now.
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