In short
Fast Money (8/6/26) covers: rising Treasury yields ahead of the July jobs report; Fed/Treasury coordination concerns; memory and AI-chip demand; major earnings movers; and oil spiking on Iran/Hormuz shipping risks.
Guests/backgrounds
Mike Wilson (Morgan Stanley CIO & Chief U.S. Equity Strategist). Steve Leeson (Fed/rates macro analyst). Karen Feinerman, Dan Nathan, Guy Adami (Fast Money desk). Halima Croft (RBC Capital Markets global head of commodity strategy). Kevan Mohajer (SoundHound AI CEO).
Key claims
10-year yields rising toward $4.67; September hike odds discussed (~50%+). Bond-market fragility risk tied to Japan/FX intervention and potential Treasury-Fed “walking together.” Rates could reach ~5% (10-year) and pressure equities. Memory volatility may cool as hyperscalers manage budgets; NVIDIA chip design change may ease HBM shortages.
Notable examples
Airbnb +8% after AI-driven growth outlook; Zillow -8.5% on accounting change and housing headwinds; oil up (Brent +4%, WTI +3%) on Iran draft Hormuz restrictions; SoundHound record $62M revenue and raised outlook.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOCountdown to the Jobs Report
0:32 to 0:52
Analyzing expectations for job growth and its implications for the Fed.
“Mazda has been named Consumer Reports' safest new car brand.”
Countdown to the Jobs Report
1:49 to 2:56
Analyzing expectations for job growth and its implications for the Fed.
“And we start off at the countdown to tomorrow's July jobs report.”
Fed's Stance on Inflation
2:56 to 3:58
Exploring the Fed's potential actions based on upcoming inflation data.
“But the FT reporting that sources close to Fed Chairman Kevin Warr saying he would be prepared to raise rates in September if the next two inflation reports are hot and inflation expectations do not remain under control.”
Treasury and Bank of Japan Intervention
3:58 to 5:07
Discussing the implications of U.S. and Japan's coordinated monetary actions.
“So I guess we're at the discussion or the debate about what once in a while to repeatedly mean here now, Melissa.”
The Bond Market Dynamics
5:07 to 10:31
Understanding bond market volatility and its relationship with yields.
“I mean, that happened or you saw that again on Wednesday after Kevin Warsh's press conference and the statement by the Fed that was concerned about whether or not he would go far enough to fight inflation.”
Future of Interest Rates
10:31 to 13:30
Speculating on future interest rate changes and their impact on markets.
“I don't think it matters if they raise them or not.”
Challenges in Memory Stocks
13:30 to 14:00
Analyzing the performance of memory stocks amidst supply challenges.
“I would be willing to bet a lot of money that they don't want it at 5 % and they'll probably do what they can.”
Memory Stocks Overview and Market Dynamics
14:00 to 18:08
The discussion focuses on the performance and future of memory stocks and hyperscalers in the tech industry.
“Meanwhile, it was a mixed day for memory stocks.”
Market Reactions and Volatility Insights
18:08 to 19:46
Exploring the volatility in the semiconductor market and the effects of momentum trading.
“Now we're going to sit aloud a little bit.”
Airbnb Earnings Report and Market Analysis
21:40 to 23:16
Breaking down Airbnb's latest earnings report and its implications for the travel market.
“Those shares are higher by about 8 % in the after hours.”
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Market Trends and Stock Valuations
23:16 to 24:46
Analyzing trends in the stock market, particularly concerning Airbnb and other travel companies.
“I think they're doing mid-teens revenue growth.”
Company Updates: Diageo, Moderna, and Zillow
24:46 to 28:00
Discussion on the latest company updates and market reactions for Diageo, Moderna, and Zillow.
“A lot more Fast Money to Come Here is coming up next.”
Market Analysis on Trade Desk and Instacart
28:00 to 30:03
Discussion on Trade Desk's performance and insights into Instacart's growth potential.
“They're changing the way they account for some of their revenue, and they feel like they will be in the longer term better, but in the shorter term they're going to be lower the next few quarters until we get to January.”
Oil Prices and Geopolitical Influences
30:32 to 36:39
In-depth analysis of oil price fluctuations and the impact of Iranian geopolitical developments.
“Oil pushing higher today after Iran State News published a draft plan that restricts ship traffic in the Strait of Hormuz.”
SoundHound AI's Market Potential and Innovations
36:49 to 42:00
Exploration of SoundHound AI's business model, market demand, and growth strategies.
“Rushmore, like, farthing on the whole thing.”
AI Efficiency and Revenue Boosts
42:00 to 43:01
Learn how AI can save costs and increase revenue for businesses.
“The deal was announced a few months ago.”
Final Trades and Predictions
43:09 to 43:55
Insights from the hosts on final trades and market predictions.
“But can the rocket company stay on trajectory or are insiders still heading for the exit?”
Transcript
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1:01Tim Seymour:Live from the NASDAQ Market Side in the heart of New York City of Times Square, this is Fast Money. Here's what's on tap tonight. Rates on the rise, a 10-year yield ticking higher today as investors get ready for the July jobs report. What the moves mean for the Fed's next move and how the central bank's chairman's relationship with the president is unlike any we've seen in recent memory. And a crude climb oiled back in the upswing as the deal to reopen the straight-of-home moves remains in question. What's next for the commodity and what's it mean for energy stocks? Plus, memory makers lose steam, a for-sale sign on shares of Zillow, and SpaceX gains ground even as its lockup period expires.
1:37Tim Seymour:Has the stock hit its bottom? I'm Melissa Lee. Come to you live from the studio via the NASDAQ. On the desk tonight, Karen Feinerman, Dan Nathan, Guy Adami, and Mike Wilson, CIO and Chief U.S. Equity Strategist at Morgan Stanley. Welcome, Mike. Great to have you with us. And we start off at the countdown to tomorrow's July jobs report. economists expecting payrolls grew by 83 ,000 last month, a faster clip than in June. Interest rates rising ahead of the print as investors eye what the data could mean for the Fed's next move. Chances of a rate hike in September currently stand at a little more than 50 percent.
2:09Tim Seymour:But will tomorrow's numbers change much? For more, let's bring in Steve Leeson. This is just one of a few data points that we're going to get ahead of the next Fed meeting. Yeah, two inflation reports at least and tomorrow's jobs report. Watching wages, Melissa, is going to be the key to the employment report and the interest rate outlook. Wage growth has been steady, declining slightly, and tomorrow's growth is expected to be in line with June at 3.5 % year over year. Job growth has been trending down. And, I mean, no one is really quite sure what level is needed to keep the unemployment rate stable after those dramatic changes to the immigration population with the policies of the Trump administration.
2:48Most estimates put that number between 50 and 100 ,000 needed a month. So it comes in there. I wouldn't worry too much about which side it's on. So far, many Fed officials have suggested the labor market is not right now the source of pushing inflation higher. But the FT reporting that sources close to Fed Chairman Kevin Warr saying he would be prepared to raise rates in September if the next two inflation reports are hot and inflation expectations do not remain under control. Fed Governor Lisa Cook, she spoke last night. Chi joins the ranks of Fed officials who have said they would hike rates if inflation doesn't cool, which is now a larger group when you count those three dissenters who already wanted to hike rates at the last meeting.
3:27The yield on the 10-year, as Melissa said, rising today back to$4.67, you have strong demand for debt from the AI build-out, continued strong Treasury issuance, and continued concern over the Japanese currency, which has been at least put temporarily at ease by coordinated intervention from the U.S. and Japan. and separately, the White House confirming that the president and Warsh have been speaking what they said once in a while, according to a White House official. A story first broken by the Wall Street Journal last night said that Warsh has spoken repeatedly with the president. So I guess we're at the discussion or the debate about what once in a while to repeatedly mean here now, Melissa.
4:05Melissa Lee:Oh, I'm sorry. Steve, you mentioned the Treasury and Bank of Japan, this concerted intervention. On one hand, I guess that's a great thing. and Mike Wilson had a conversation before the show, suggests that they understand the problem. On the other hand, the fact that they're doing this suggests that there's a problem. How do you look at it? You know, that's really a smart way to think about it. Anytime anything happens, it's like, well, what is it that they see that we don't see? I think that there's some merit to that. There are people who think that Scott Besson is the guy you want doing that, given his expertise in financial markets.
4:42It's what's happened is this idea that they could use this Fed facility in which they can borrow dollars and repo them for treasuries, repo dollars for treasuries, essentially, and keep the Japanese from selling. And you're right, Guy, that why is the Treasury Secretary so concerned that they want to keep the Japanese from selling? And that's because there's some underlying concern about fragility of the bond market. I mean, that happened or you saw that again on Wednesday after Kevin Warsh's press conference and the statement by the Fed that was concerned about whether or not he would go far enough to fight inflation.
5:19The next day they intervene. So, look, there's a lot of debt out there. It has to be managed very carefully. So far, it's been a market that has worked well. It's been a functioning market, but it's been functioning at a higher price and a higher yield, a lower price and a higher yield. So it's something worth watching. And the idea, Guy, that maybe the source of this perhaps is at least partially the AI build out is a little less worrisome than it's a buyer strike on the part of bond buyers in the long end. Yeah, Steve, this is Mike Wilson. You know, the thing I've been focused on is bond volatility.
5:54So as long as bond volatility stays OK, you know, subsided, rates can kind of grind higher. And I guess the question I have for you is, you know, there's a lot of, you know, concern about the White House having over an influence. What is this just maybe a Treasury Fed accord, as they've been talking about? Maybe it's just the new Fed chair and the Treasury secretary working closer together without the White House involved. so mike i'm first of all mind meld on that i just looked at the move it looks okay it's a little bit elevated if you guys have the move in the back it might be worth taking a look at that the move that is um and uh the deal is this this is the opposite time of when treasury and monetary should be together you think about and this is classically mike at times of crises at times when uh you have disinflation, deflation, at times when you have big financial systemic risk out there, that's when the Treasury and the monetary authority should be close together.
6:53At times of higher inflation, higher bond yields, the market doesn't want to see these guys walking hand in hand down the mall in Washington. They want to see them separate. They want to know that the Fed has their back when it comes to inflation. So you can imagine ways that the Treasury and the Fed can work together when it comes to, for example, foreign currency. That's always going to be something the Fed is going to defer to the Treasury on. But when it comes to the fight against inflation, when the bond market sees the Treasury and the Fed walking together, that causes them concern. And it could be a reason why they'll exact a little more price when it comes to what they charge for investing long term in bonds.
7:37Tim Seymour:Yeah, they pulled out the move index, the crack staff in Englewood Cliffs, Dave, and we saw that spike in late March. Did they get it? I didn't see it. I was looking. And then it just sort of leveled off. Yeah, no, they had it. There it is. Oh, who's better than them in the back there? No one. Unbelievable. Yeah, there's that spike. Is that a year ago? No, that's March. If you can go back even further, the spike around the tariffs, that would have been something when there was. Look at that. Look at that. I'm speaking and it just comes back. magic. You'll see a bigger spike. There it is. Wish for something else.
8:09There it is. There's Liberation Day right there. That's when you start to get worried about a problem.
8:15Tim Seymour:All right. Steve, great to see you. Thank you. See you tomorrow morning for the jobs report. All right. So what's interesting is here, when we get the jobs report tomorrow, are you going to have a handle on what the Fed might do in September? No, probably not, because the growth is not the issue, right? That's not a problem. Now, if we got like a crazy negative number, then it would be maybe an issue. I think a hot number is not enough to get them to focus, to think that that's an inflation problem. They're focused on the inflation data and the inflation break-evens to some degree. I remember, Chair Warsh said he's listening to the market now more than maybe even the data.
8:52So that break-evens number, I think, becomes a bigger kind of hot button than maybe even the actual data.
8:57Melissa Lee:You know, I read that Wall Street Journal article last night when it came out, and the word repeatedly, and we don't have to say, what do you say? Sometimes the White House said sometimes and the article said repeatedly. You know, it just kind of leads me to believe, and the three of us were kind of talking about this earlier today, I don't think they're going to raise rates in September. And I feel like there's a lot of politics in and around that. I mean, you would be doing that like basically a month and a half before the midterms. You know, yes, you know, Warsh has got this honeymoon period right now.
9:24Melissa Lee:And I think there's lots of different ways to look at the data. But as Mike just said, if they're looking at the markets, if yields don't go materially higher than they are right now, and the stock market is trading where it is and you don't have these huge issues, let's say, with dollar-yen, that sort of thing, it's like, why not stay the course? Because if inflation and some of the readings under the hood don't look nearly as bad as, let's say, some of the headlines, I just don't know why he'd want to put himself in that sort of crosshairs. So who knows what he's going to do, right? I think there's more data to come.
9:53We'll see. To me, you know, CPI, PPR, way more important than jobs. You know, we talked about the dual mandate all the time. And he doesn't seem to be focusing so much on the jobs one at all, the inflation one, much more front and center, I think. So also we have oil. And just the feeling of oil being higher, I think, is enough to create inflation expectations, even if they're not yet going through the system. But I think those in the economy feel it. When you go to the gas pump, you feel it. Right. Right. So that, I think, matters a lot to the bond market, just the feeling of inflation.
10:29Melissa Lee:I'll say this. You know, obviously, he doesn't make the decision in a vacuum. I think we all understand that. I don't think it matters if they raise them or not. I think the bond market's doing the job for him. And the move we had in the 30 year yield last week, I think it was last week, was historic by a lot of measures. I mean, when you see something in the biggest economy in the history of mankind, 30 year yields move the way they did. That tells you something. I'm not saying the bond market is broken. We're not there yet. But rates are going higher, in my opinion. The market doesn't care now.
10:55Melissa Lee:At some point, I think it does.
10:57Tim Seymour:I mean, there is a risk, though, that they don't do anything in September. And then all of a sudden you lose control of the 10-year yield. You lose control of the 30-year yield. And I think that's sort of the disaster that could happen if there's no follow-through to the talk. Well, that was the concern. It was two weeks ago when we had that big move after the Fed meeting. But that also, remember, new Fed chair, the bond market's way of challenging the chair. And so I think you come into a new job. We've all had a new job. You don't turn over the furniture day one. So he's doing, I think, the right thing.
11:27He's got these task forces. Some people like him, some people don't. It seems reasonable to me that you would try to do some work before you start making a bunch of changes. And to Dan's point, it's do no harm right now. Things are kind of going OK. If the bond market does get away from them, however, if the bond market kind of presses them and they don't have a way to rein it back in, that will become a problem for equities. The magic number for me is 5 percent. Ten-year Treasury, if we get to 5 percent, yeah, that's probably worth 5 percent in the S &P, maybe more. Wow.
11:54Tim Seymour:That doesn't seem like it's that far away, 5%.
11:56Melissa Lee:No, I don't think it's far away at all. I mean, in the world we live in currently, I mean, that could be a week and a half or two weeks from now. You get a couple of things that don't go the way of the bond market. And again, this whole Japan situation, listen, I get it. It seems like it's calmed down for now, but that's still a tinderbox, I think. So, yeah, I do think rates go higher from here.
12:12Tim Seymour:But, I mean, as Steve had mentioned and Rick Santelli had mentioned earlier in the day, that all these bond issuances from the hyperscalers are also putting some pressure on the market. Yeah. Well, also, you get to the quarterly refunding. Right. How are they? What's what is that going to look like? Right. Right. Right. Because if there's this crowding out, I don't know, 10 years, let's say, for some of the hyperscalers issuing 10 year paper or the oracles of the world or whomever. But that, I think, also will be interesting to see. I mean, that's one way to sort of get some control over the 10.
12:44Tim Seymour:In the world in which there is a 5 percent move lower in the S &P 500, which doesn't seem like a lot. We're just there. I don't think a lot at all. We were there like what, Thursday? It's like two days ago. Exactly. So that's not a big deal. I think we get through it. I mean, and just to be clear, like, you know, Steve's an incredible scholar on the bond market, and he has the right view on this. However, I do like the fact that, you know, Scott Besson and Kevin Warsh are in these seats. They're markets focused. And I do think they are being proactive. They don't want to have to be reactive and work collectively in an emergency.
13:18Let's avoid the emergency. Let's kind of manage this situation the best we can. They're aware of the risks and the challenges. We have a lot of debt to finance. There is crowding out going on. But we're doing it. It's happening.
13:29Tim Seymour:So do you think that because they are market or were market participants that we will not get to 5 % because they will do their best to not let that happen? I would be willing to bet a lot of money that they don't want it at 5 % and they'll probably do what they can. That doesn't mean they're going to be successful. That's why I think if you got there, there's probably more air in that balloon underwater. water. So that's why it could create some equity stress.
13:50Melissa Lee:I think Mike makes a great point. I mean, if you want anybody in the seats, I think it's those two people in the seat make a lot of sense. They acknowledge that there's a problem. And that's sometimes 90 percent of the battle. The problem is, is it too far gone now where regardless of who's in the seats, can they do something about it?
14:05Tim Seymour:Meanwhile, it was a mixed day for memory stocks. Western Digital down 13 percent, while Sandisk fell by nearly seven after both companies reported strong earnings but gave guidance that underwhelmed investors. Micron, meantime, time finishing more than a percent lower, and Seagate managed to gain almost 2%. The information reporting that NVIDIA is weighing a design change to its next-gen Rubin Ultra chip that would reduce memory capacity aimed at keeping production on schedule as the industry grapples with a severe shortage of high-bandwidth memory. Interesting finding an engineering solution to get around these shortages.
14:37Melissa Lee:Well, they kind of have to. I mean, we've heard so much about the allocations and how difficult they are to get, let's say, BlackVille or Vera Rubin, and really what the bottleneck is, is the high bandwidth memory, right? And that has to go on these chips. And it's not that Taiwan Semi can't make them. It's just they don't have allocations to them. And then the pricing is really expensive. And when you think about it, though, you know, retooling data centers like hyperscale data centers, this is the GCP or the AWS or Azure. I mean, they might have 15, 20 ,000 racks in these things. And when you are upgrading from Hopper to Blackwell or Blackwell DeVero Rubin, that could cost you$8 million per rack, okay?
15:16Melissa Lee:And this is like, these are big, big numbers. So to make these sorts of shifts, there's a lot of decisions that are going into these. And make no mistake about it, I think the bottleneck, again, with high bandwidth memory, this is one of the biggest issues right now. So the idea that we have all these plans to build out all of these data centers, and we know it takes a couple years, you might have to wait a couple years to put the chips with a high bandwidth memory into the servers that go into the racks, that go into the data centers, that train the models, right? I mean, like, it's just not like, you know, I just think it's interesting that the market is so quick to give these guys a pass right now.
15:49Melissa Lee:Now, granted, these guys sold off a lot, all the major hyperscales, but they came back, most of them, in a big, big way. And I just think that might be something where, you know, we're going to be paying a lot more attention to over the next few months. So you flagged that article. So your thinking was that, okay, this could maybe cool the heat, You know, cool, the intense growth of memory. Right. And who's the beneficiary of that? So, I mean, to me, it's the. The hyperscalers. Yeah, the hyperscalers. But this the memory stocks to me, it's like it's right now the second derivative, the rate of appreciation is so fast.
16:24And then if that cools, that's one level of cooling. Maybe we've seen that. We get to another where, you know, the rate of growth, not just the rate of acceleration, but the rate of growth that starts to slow. So I'd rather be, you didn't would you rather, but I would rather be in the hyperscalers, and that's where I am. Yeah. And in video.
16:43Melissa Lee:Some of the volatility, Mike Rine had a 1 % move today, which is not a big move by their standards. So maybe you're taking some of the vol out of some of these memory names, which would be a good thing. But I continue to say, I mean, today notwithstanding, 8 % to 10 % moves up and down over the last two months in a handful of these names does not make a healthy market. If that can abate somehow and we can sort of find some equilibrium, then maybe things make sense. I don't think we're there yet.
17:07Tim Seymour:I mean, the volatility for equities, individual equities, is high already, close to record highs, if not at record highs, right? And so then you see it in extreme measures in this particular pocket of semiconductors. What do you make of these just crazy moves? It's right on schedule. I mean, the hyperscalers, okay, they control their budgets. And what happened with the semiconductor complex is very simple. The rate of change, to Karen's point, the rate of change of growth peaked out about a month, a month and a half ago. We can track it through revision breadth. So a couple of stocks today had a little hair on them, but Micron didn't have hair on it a while ago.
17:44Hynix and Samsung didn't. What's going on is that people are selling this news because the rate of change and growth has rolled over and they got overextended. So, remember, these are commodities. What's the solution for a high-priced commodity? High prices. So they are going to, but the nature of technology is you fix this problem with technology. They're going to fix this problem. Hyperscalers will spend less. We're definitely in the hyperscaler over semi-trade, but it is up 35 % in the last month. So maybe we had the move. Now we're going to sit aloud a little bit. Like I think the semiconductor stocks have been hit hard enough where you start fishing around again.
18:16But I still think the hyperscalers from a three to six month period look better. Also, just the noise around situational awareness, the up and down over the last, I don't know, three or four weeks. That's extraordinary. I don't think we've seen moves of that magnitude of dollars in, I don't know, maybe since long-term capital. Do you remember when long-term capital blew up in 98? That kind of gigantic move. So it's hard to know without that what it would be like. Can I add one thing? So there was also incredible crowding in these momentum trades. And so that leverage unwound. We had basically a momentum crash.
18:51So we have a momentum pair, longs and shorts, and it was down 52%. I mean, it's pretty incredible. It's the worst one we've ever seen. So that exacerbated. And that really started with the volatility, as Karen said, in early June. So there was a warning sign. But I think we dealt with it. I mean, we dealt with it violently. And I think now most of that damage is probably done. That doesn't mean they're going to go right back up. But, I mean, if you're trying to short semiconductor stocks now, you're probably in the wrong place.
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19:17Tim Seymour:Well, some of that leverage that drove some of that trade is never going to come back. I mean, some of that leverage is in South Korea. And it's banned now. So they're not going to be able to come back to the degree that they were in that trade before.
19:28Melissa Lee:Listen, three weeks ago you put that call out. I think it was maybe four weeks ago. I mean, think about how quickly it came to fruition. I mean, the outperformance has been staggering. And I think you, in your wildest dreams, didn't think it would happen that quickly to that magnitude. Yet here we are, and it speaks to what you just said. Things happen much faster now. Absolutely.
19:46Tim Seymour:Coming up, Airbnb soaring after a latest earnings report. We're digging into the numbers on that next. Plus, a big biotech divergence. what is driving Insmed and Moderna in very opposite directions today. And look at other fast movers on our radar. Don't go anywhere. Fast Money is back in two.
20:02Melissa Lee:This is Fast Money with Melissa Lee right here on CNBC.
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21:44Tim Seymour:Welcome back to Fast Money. We've got an earnings alert on Airbnb. Those shares are higher by about 8 % in the after hours. On top and bottom line beats, a vacation rental company seeing strong global demand and benefiting from World Cup travel. The call kicked off at the top of the hour. CNBC's Mackenzie Cigalos has more from the report. Mac. Mel, Airbnb's big message tonight is that growth is breaking meaningfully higher with its outlook now well above what rivals are posting. CEO Brian Chesky said on the call moments ago that AI is the best thing to ever happen to Airbnb, helping cut development time by as much as 60 % and increase the number of features and improvements shipped by nearly 80%.
22:21Now, the company expects gross booking value to rise in the mid-teens this quarter, more than double the pace of nights booked, really a sign that travelers are spending more per trip. Airbnb also says its broad range of listing gives customers room to trade down or stay closer to home when airfare is expensive. Domestic travel is accelerating faster than international travel, while features like Reserve Now, Pay Later are helping guests spread out the upfront cost of trips. Airbnb's push beyond home rentals is also gaining traction, with hotel nights growing about three times faster than its home business.
22:54And Airbnb says AI is helping it get more from its existing workforce, headcount roughly flat year to date, even as spending on AI rises sharply, with the company still raising its full-year margin outlook. Mel?
23:07Tim Seymour:Back, thanks. Mackenzie Cigalos. And maybe it's no surprise. They've seen travel in general pretty strong. We've got earnings reports from Bookings and Expedia. Those are both strong. The stocks are higher.
23:16Melissa Lee:Yeah, so a couple of things. Valuation's not a big deal. I don't think it's a concern. I think they're doing mid-teens revenue growth. So good for them. And the stock's coming off a pretty significant downtrend over the last couple of years. We've reinflected seemingly higher over the last six or nine months. I'll say this. This 165 level, that was a prior high back in, I think, the May of 2024. So it should stall here. But I still think it's reasonable stock.
23:40Tim Seymour:Some will look at this and point to, you know, the spend on travel and say the consumer is still OK.
23:45Melissa Lee:Yeah, I mean, look at Expedia, look at the airlines. I mean, there's a lot, you know, when you look at just in general what's going on in the space. You know, the other thing about Airbnb is, you know, that spend on AI, that's great. And it doesn't seem like, you know, investors are too worried about that. But this is a company that is expected to on a sequential basis to see a meaningful step down in probably what is a seasonally strong. quarter. So again, I mean, to Guy's point, I mean, valuation may not be an issue. And this is a stock that, look at this, a 52-week high is just coming into it.
24:14Melissa Lee:So it looks pretty decent to be here.
24:15Tim Seymour:Wasn't this once in one of your acronyms like five years ago or something like that? You know, I think that's fit. What would that have been? In a clam? In the clam? No, it was in his clam. It was even before hope.
24:25Melissa Lee:Before hope. Before hope. I'd have to go back into the archives. Maybe that crack staff in EC can effort that.
24:32Tim Seymour:Pull that out, yeah. Dawn. Don. Don. It was the A in Don. Who told you that? Sandy. Yeah. Nice. Sandy knows everything. Sandy was not even the EP then. Wow. He does know everything. That's how much of a fanboy he is. Wow. Yeah. A lot more Fast Money to Come Here is coming up next. From Diageo and high spirits to Zillow getting a real estate reality check, all the fast movers grabbing our attention today and how to play the moves next. Plus, a crude reawakening. Oil spiking as tensions reignite in the Strait of Hormuz. Where prices could be headed next and what it means for investors in the energy patch.
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26:37Tim Seymour:Welcome back to Fast Money. Stocks lower in Thursday trading. The Dow down 460 points, snapping a five-day winning streak. The S &P down about two-tenths of a percent in the Nasdaq, ending just below the flatline. Spirits maker Diageo rising 5 % after announcing a three-year cost-cutting plan totaling$1.2 billion. That coming after the company reported declining net sales for the full fiscal year amid a broader pullback in alcohol consumption. Moderna, meantime, down over 4 percent even after nabbing FDA approval for the first ever mRNA vaccine for seasonal flu. That stock now down 87 percent from its pandemic highs.
27:13Tim Seymour:In Smed, meanwhile, soaring 34 percent for its best day in over two years. The company reporting sales of its new lung disease drug that blew past estimates and raised its long term outlook for peak sales. in its three lead programs to more than$14 billion. And Zillow sliding 8.5 % after giving disappointing guidance, citing broader housing headwinds. It also reported$36 million in restructuring costs during the quarter. Replimune lowered in extended trading. The biotech announcing that the FDA has approved its melanoma drug following two prior rejections of its application. And some stocks on the move after results.
27:46Tim Seymour:Instacart surging on higher revenues boosted by additional orders. Trade desk sinking after missing top and bottom line estimates. and Cloudflare jumping after beating estimates. What did you make of the move in Zillow, Karen? Well, I was sad about it, if that's what you mean. Yeah, I am long. It closed much well off of the lows. But the main thing was two things. They're changing the way they account for some of their revenue, and they feel like they will be in the longer term better, but in the shorter term they're going to be lower the next few quarters until we get to January. That was one thing.
28:17So they did explain it, but we need to get used to it. The other thing is just the market right now where rates are. It's very difficult to, you know, we've seen what's happened to housing sales. So that's the other problem that, you know, that's beyond them. That is what it is. So I like the name, but I don't know. This was this was a little bit difficult. You're reevaluating your position. Now, I think here it was this was overdone. And but they laid out the path. We've seen them do this before. So I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. But I'm sad is really what I feel today on Zillow.
28:52Tim Seymour:Are investors going to give Trade Desk any benefit of the doubt? I mean, this is like a string of down 20 plus percent moves or double digit percent moves on earnings.
29:00Melissa Lee:Just when you think, you know, you can make a case on valuation and it's bottomed out, you get a quarter like this and you get a move lower on the back of what has been a significant move low over the last year. You know, Karen always says continue to do this in sort of perpetuity. And it's true. But at some point you find some valuation cushion. I just don't think we've found it yet. Let's do Instacart.
29:21Tim Seymour:Sure, Maple Bear. Yeah. You love it.
29:24Melissa Lee:You know, this is a company where earnings was growing off a very low base for the last couple years. And you look at what's now expected to be, you know, I think you're going to normalize at 20 % or so. Revenue is expected to grow, you know, 10%, 11 % over the next couple quarters. But you also have gross margins that are staying pretty decent in and around that 73%. I also think that it says something about the consumer, which you were just kind of alluding to, that, you know, you're starting to see in a lot of different pockets where some of these companies are, I don't know, maybe they're getting leverage on, you know, some of these, I don't know, you know, they have the COVID hangover, this and that, whatever, and they're kind of coming back a little bit.
29:59Melissa Lee:So, you know, this is one I actually think is pretty attractive also.
30:02Tim Seymour:Coming up, drilling down on the energy markets, what to make of today's oil spike in. And the continued questions on the straight-up form moves. RBC's Halima Kroft joins us to break it all down in Fast Money Returns. Missed a moment of fast?
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30:31Tim Seymour:Welcome back to Fast Money. Oil pushing higher today after Iran State News published a draft plan that restricts ship traffic in the Strait of Hormuz. Brent jumping almost 4 percent, while WTI gained nearly 3 percent. Prices, though, still on track for their worst week since June. Let's bring in CNBC contributor Halima Croft, global head of commodity strategy for RBC Capital Markets. Halima, great to have you with us. For having me. So is oil appropriately priced, given where we are in terms of lack of progress or however you want to see it, in the talks? I mean, I think there's been so much optimism that we're moving to a start your engines phase, which, if you look at the reality of what the Iranians are saying, that is not a really great environment to normalize shipping traffic.
31:12I mean, we had the statements from the parliament today talking about no Israeli ships, no U.S. ships, no adversaries of the axis of resistance, talking about a fee structure. And then the line from the White House is, no, no, it's open, no fees. Clearly, the Iranians are not giving up control over Hormuz. They are going to look to monetize it. We could get something that looks like the MOU in June, but that lasted less than a month. And the Iranians want to monetize the agreement. They also want a cash settlement from the United States. They want sanctions relief. They would like us to create a big fund for reconstruction,$300 billion.
31:47They want their billions of dollars in frozen accounts. So for the White House to accept a deal that essentially says a waterway that was open is now controlled and we're going to write a check, like, that's—I think that's a hard sell, actually.
32:00Tim Seymour:I mean, it's like we're worse off than when we started the war because we haven't accomplished anything on the key issue of nuclear. We haven't even discussed the nuclear file. I mean, that was the issue that started the war. We're supposed to now have a period where we can try to reach an agreement on that. But I think the oil market sees any sign of progress as a time machine, that we're going to go back to February 26th. I mean, one issue is the central corridor of Hormuz has been heavily mined. And some people would say it could take months to clear those mines. So, again, this is not a normal, open-for-business waterway.
32:33Melissa Lee:How much time do we—the SPR, I think, is at 42 percent capacity, 300 million barrels or something? This is the really interesting thing to pay attention to because there is a debate. At what point does the SPR—you get really operational challenges. Some people have said that it's 300 million. Some have said it's 250. Some people say 180 is like the absolute minimum. them. But we're going to crash through 300 soon. So we're going to get the test case. Was that really the level that we start to see problems with the salt caverns? So we don't have a whole lot of runway when it comes to inventories.
33:08And there's the other runway in terms of missile interceptors. Like if you look at the reporting that we've had out of various outlets, I mean, that's also probably incentivized in the administration. If you don't have as many long-range missiles as you need, the interceptors, there's obviously incentive for Washington to get the deal done, but do we really want to meet the Iranian terms? First of all, great to have you in person. Thank you. So if you're Iran, right, you want to cut as good a deal as you can, but if you cut too good of a deal, you sort of, you hasten the demise of the Strait of Hormuz's importance, right?
33:43Right. That's the peak Hormuz, you know, thing we've talked about. Like, countries in the region that don't have viable alternative routes like the Saudis or the Emiratis, they're going to try to quickly build new alternative pipelines that bypass Hormuz. But those pipelines could take two years to build. So if you're the Iranians, you might think two years is plenty of time to basically fill up the cash register. So again, it's your perception of like how much time is necessary to refill your ATM. And the Iranians have massive reconstruction needs. You know, the leadership is this harder line, IRG leadership around the supreme leader.
34:20And they may just decide that they'll take two years.
34:24Melissa Lee:If this deal were to happen the way it's being reported, it looks like a worse deal than the MOU going back to June. Are you surprised? And again, do you agree with that, A? But B, are you surprised there's not more of a premium built into oil right here? So again, I think this report from the parliament just came out. I mean, to be fair, Iran's parliament is not the ultimate decision-making body, but it does sort of jive with what we've heard from hardliners in Iran, that they are going to monetize this. So I think it was a bit of a wake-up call for the market, but I think so many market participants are tired of this war.
34:58A lot of dedicated commodity investors are on the sidelines because they don't want to get blown out by a tweet. And so people are just wanting an endgame. And so they will seize on any statement from the administration that this is coming to a close. Let's assume that maybe you get a spike in the near term because you're testing the SPR levels, not just in the U.S., but globally. You started by saying that, you know, we haven't really achieved the goals, but maybe this war shone a light on the idea that this choke point is silly to begin with. And so whether it's pipelines or new drilling around the world, how long will that take?
35:31You said two years for some pipelines. Sure. What about just new drilling around the world that takes, you know, capacity goes to different places? Well, I think what's going to be interesting is like how much more can you get out of other regions? I mean, certainly people be watching for Venezuela. I mean, yes, it's not been as chaotic as some feared, but we're waiting to really see a barrel dividend out of Venezuela. The U.S. is going gangbusters. And so it's a question of, like, how much more can we push the U.S. system, the U.S. reservoirs? I mean, one big issue that I think I should leave you with is the issue on refined products.
36:05I mean, if we do have inventories we can draw down, if we do have other production zones we can think about, we are flat out when it comes to refinery capacity. This war has taken out refineries in the Middle East. The Russia-Ukraine war, we still see so many targeting of Russian refineries, targeting critical infrastructure. The U.S. refinery system is flat out. There's no spare capacity for refineries at this point. So really continue to watch the diesel story, the gasoline story. Like, that is going to be a problem going into fall.
36:38Tim Seymour:I mean, we're a hurricane away from— A hurricane away from a terrible situation. Halima, great to see you. Thank you for having me. Thank you, Halima Croft of RBC. I mean, it's amazing. She's amazing. Rushmore, like, farthing on the whole thing. You asked a question, actually, Dan, in terms of being surprised. Great question, right? It's a pretty good question. Do you think oil should probably have? I think so.
37:02Melissa Lee:I mean, Halima just said that, like, market participants are sick of the war. You can't get away from the war. I mean, that's the problem. And the deals keep getting worse. And so if the deals get worse, I mean, she also mentioned that the hardliners, I mean, And the IRGC, I mean, it doesn't seem like they want to do these deals. And they're going to start messing around again. So, I mean, I think oil should have an aid handle on it. It does. Well, Brent, I mean, yeah. But, I mean, what I'm saying is, look, oil's been shopping around. We sold off, you know, pretty sharply. You know, now I think we're probably going to go higher.
37:32And if I look at the technical picture, because that's what commodities are, it's all about technicals, I think we go higher first. And that bothers me. Not so much. We can handle$90,$100 oil even. What we can't handle is the impact back on the rates market. So this is the interplay that I'm more focused on is oil at 100, you get the 5%. Right, exactly.
37:51Melissa Lee:She knew the SPR thing. I knew it. Of course she did. Why wouldn't she? She's like, you and her are in my head. But it is a big deal that nobody's talking about. We're right at 300 million. That, to me, is sort of lying in the sand stuff. We'll see what happens once we get through it. There's no way that both of you guys fit in this head.
38:06Tim Seymour:There is. We've lost plenty of room. It's empty. Plenty of room in there. You can just wander around. Coming up, sounding off on the AI buildup, the CEO of SoundHound AI joins us to discuss the current investment cycle and what his company's latest earnings signal about demand. Fast Money is back right after this.
38:29Tim Seymour:Welcome back to Fast Money. Shares of SoundHound AI soaring 10 percent, the closing off session highs. After reporting a record revenue of$62 million, the gains driven by enterprise deals related to its conversational AI platform, Oasis. The company also raising its full year revenue outlook. CEO Kevan Mohajer joins us now for more on the quarter. Kevan, great to have you with us. Thank you for having me. You are in the business of, I mean, how would you simplify it? AI agents? Yeah, we provide voice and AI agents for both business, for customer service, and devices as the AI interface, like cars and TVs and IoT devices.
39:01So we are in millions of cars and thousands of businesses.
39:03Tim Seymour:Okay, so what end market is the biggest consumer of AI agents right now? Where do you see the greatest demand? Well, this is the time we need to be everywhere. I mean, for the first 17 years, we were focused on building our technology and our platform and making it really good. But now we are entering an era where we think every business is going to have an AI agent, right? So there was a time that businesses woke up and said, we need to have a website. And then years later, mobile apps. But now it's going to be an AI agent. And business of all sizes. So it can be a single location barbershop or it can be a large insurance company and you're going to have an AI agent.
39:38You build it once and you can deploy it everywhere on your phone, on your website, messaging. And SoundHound is able to provide that for all businesses.
39:47Melissa Lee:Kavan, I'm looking at your customers and maybe I'm wrong, but I see the DOD as one of them. And then I see White Castle as the other. So talk to me a little bit about what it looks like government versus enterprise. You know, this is, well, as you know, we had a great quarter. It was a record revenue. We were up 10 times since the first quarter. We reported on NASDAQ four years ago. And a lot of that was because of the Oasis platform that we power. And we won businesses. We won in China. We won in restaurants. We won automotive. We are powering health care companies. We are in top banks. And it's really just the beginning.
40:36And I think the market for enterprise agent AI is going to be$1 trillion by 2030. And we have everything we need to capture a big part of that.
40:49Tim Seymour:How do you make sure that the AI agents are fenced in, that they have access to things that they should have access to and maybe not more than a human agent would have access to? I mean, how are you engaging with enterprise in terms of keeping their information safe, keeping their customers' information safe? Yeah, actually, that's one of the areas that Sanhan really shines because we have our own models that can run these agents. So a lot of companies that are entering this area, they need to use other vendors like Frontier Models. So the data goes to those Frontier Labs and then comes back, and sometimes you don't know what they do with it.
41:22But Sanhan actually has its own foundation model in speech. in natural language understanding, and we are able to run all of that locally in our own data center or even on-premise in their data center.
41:34Melissa Lee:Live person, you're expected to close by the end of the year. You're going to update guidance, I think, around that. How important is that going to be to the extent that you can talk about it? Well, this is our fifth acquisition. In the last two and a half years, we've bought five companies. We are getting really good at it. And, you know, the first one was about two and a half years ago. And within two years, we had a turnaround. We turned them into from decline to growth. And the last one we bought was last year is already showing signs of turnaround. So we are getting more efficient at it. Now, LivePerson is the biggest one.
42:06It's a public company deal. The deal was announced a few months ago. We hope that it will close before the end of this year. It's a large-scale deal, so we're going to update our guidance after it closes. But the date of closing is not certain, so we're going to do it after it closes.
42:19Tim Seymour:And just quickly, Kayvon, do you have sort of an average savings? like when somebody uses an AI agent instead of hiring a person, what that company saves? It's actually not just about saving. It's also about increasing revenue. So we had, for example, we were powering a drive-thru for a restaurant, one of our restaurant customers, and they did a study, so it wasn't done by us. They looked at a few dozen locations that were powered by our AI, and they looked at a few dozen locations that were not powered by our AI, and the revenue per location went up by using the AI. So it's not just about cost saving, but it's also about increasing the revenue because AI is able to first be more efficient, but it's also able to make recommendations and increase the ticket size.
43:00Tim Seymour:Avon, thanks for joining us. Appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up, a SpaceX stress test. Shares regaining some ground even as the stock's first major lockup expires. But can the rocket company stay on trajectory or are insiders still heading for the exit? We'll debate that. More Fast Money in 2.
43:21Tim Seymour:Back to the final trade, Mike Wilson and Morgan Stanley. I still think the hyperscalers will outperform the semiconductors as we move from early to mid-cycle. Karen? Yes, Zillow three-day rule. I think it's a buy, actually. Rental business was good. They'll get it together.
43:34Melissa Lee:Dan? Yeah, SpaceX. I like guys call to 135. As I've mentioned many times, Melissa, we are a family here. And one of our family members, after two years, will be leaving us. That's Michelle DiMartino, who we all have grown to love. Sweet as can be. We wish her the best of luck, Melissa.
43:54Melissa Lee:Oh, final trade. A GlaxoSmith line.
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Rates on the rise as investors question Warsh’s interest rate strategy. The traders break down what to expect from the next Fed meeting and what rising rates means for the economy. Then, oil prices dipping this week as investors anticipate a potential Strait of Hormuz deal. RBC Capital Markets Managing Director Helima Croft lays out the likelihood of an official peace deal and what the Trump administration could do next. Plus, Soundhound AI CEO Keyvan Mohajer on the future of the AI trade, SpaceX’s insider shares unlock, and after hours earnings from Airbnb and Lyft.
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