Bobby Deol on Bollywood Comeback, Failure, Insecurity, Love & Trolls | FO413 Raj Shamani

28:04At one point in my life I felt I couldn't live up to my dad's expectations I used to break down And I used to tell him, Papa, I've let you down. Because you always said I was your golden child. My youngest always gets that kind of attention. You are my golden child. You are the most beautiful child, the most good-looking child. And I could never live up to that. And then eventually, now he tells me, he looks at me, he says, now you found yourself. Wow. This is what you needed to, and you have. It doesn't matter, it's late. It's never late. But you found yourself. And I'm just so happy. When you go out, when you speak, when you are working, you found yourself.

28:53So, coming that from my papa is, what more do you want to hear from him? You know, there's a quote while I was thinking about this and I wrote down and found out just while I researched. Tell me if it's true for you or no. there was a quote that I wrote down specifically I didn't want to get it wrong the the only journey is the one within but most of us are forced to stop halfway because we inherit destinies that aren't ours and we bury the lies that was never lived it's a little bit of a bounce for me but yeah let me be a little easier on it's like we all have a journey we know where to go and it's just something true about us but because we all inherit some things maybe the expectation, maybe what will they feel, how will they feel, the environment because of that the real true self we stop and then we try to live up destiny and expectation half of the time and you said in the beginning yes there was an identity what possible probably let's say which were the possible possible versions that you stopped and we couldn't see at that time when you were 20 and you never explored I just kind of controlled and became more introvert I was naturally an extrovert and I controlled that because yes while growing up I was shy but I enjoy so much of being a part of everything I did, everything what the film industry was all about.

30:39I want to be part of everything, be everywhere. But my family was always, we will not go, we will not do this, we will not do that. You know, because we can't get influenced by the industry. I don't know why my dad, we never had any parties at home. I was never allowed to meet other families from the industry, their kids so much. Why? I don't know. What do you think, reason can happen today if If you have to look back. I don't know. Maybe my dad had his own way of looking at life at that point. What do you think? What version do you? He thought maybe I'll get spoiled. Maybe that. You know how many parents think, Oh, there will go, then his child will grow.

31:17And this will grow. So I never, maybe that's one of the reasons I was never allowed to go out. And, but I guess at that point, you see, as parents, we all learn how to bring up our kids. Yeah. You know, no one's perfect. So for them, that was the way of bringing us up. and then you learn from your parents how they brought you up and you look at the things they didn't do right. And then when you're living your life with your kids, you're trying to be as perfect as you can bringing them up. And then some days you look back and say, oh, I shouldn't have done that. You know, I shouldn't have been this way or I shouldn't have made them do these things.

31:52You know, because nobody is born a parent. You become parents and you learn how to become parenting while having your kids, you know. So that's how it is. So I don't know. It was them trying to keep me in a prison, but it wasn't that way. It was just them. Of course not. They were trying to do the best that they could. The best, yeah. But it forced you to become introvert. It did. And then maybe, I mean, I still can't go to on stage and dance. I can't do that. Do you? Because I just want to talk about myself or let my work speak. But dancing something I mean that reminds me Even of Animal But you are an excellent dancer I'm not an excellent dancer I remember Nayo Nayo And then I remember Animal Both had different styles of dancing But both catch on Caught on with the world So technically it means You are a good dancer I mean I believe I tell my kids that They want to be actors I said you don't have to be A Hitek Roshan or a Tiger Shroff Because they are Blessed with it You need to enjoy What you do I mean the biggest example Is my brother and my dad They are not good dancers But when they dance People love it because they just want to see them dance, you know.

33:04And for me, it's the same thing. I mean, I need a choreographer to teach, give me the steps. Otherwise, I can't do it. That's why when I did that song, which became like, I mean, viral it went, which is not even a song. It was just a music piece in Persian. And there was a choreographer that day. And I'm telling Sandeep, Sandeep, I can't dance. No, no, Baba, you do. I'm doing, he's saying, no, you're looking like Baba Dior. I don't want you to look like Bobby Deore. I said, dude, what do I do? You want me to do, but I only know what I can do. Then I told Saurabh, who's playing my brother, I said, you dance.

33:40Let me see how you dance. I said, okay, I'll dance like you. Then I didn't know what hit me. I just had a glass in my hand. I just put it on my head. And I started dancing. And not knowing what the effect of that would be. And Sandeep loved it. And he shot it really well. and next thing I know it became like viral to another level man it was like insane it's not like I was the only one who did it for the first time there were so many people who have done it in the earlier films but God just wanted my step to be the first of its kind and so that's me I got lucky again and it has gotten to a level that it's not Abraar's step it's Bobby Deolse it's like that okay tell me one thing which you want to learn from your father and you want to pass on to them and one thing you don't want to learn from your father and pass on to them they should have what my dad has in that sense because my dad has a beautiful soul and I want all my kids to have that beautiful soul and that's one of the reasons why I always wanted to have kids early because what I have learned from my parents is filtered down from what they learned from their parents and that was very important for me because I always felt that I won't be able to, you know, give them that kind of information or make them understand what relationships and what the world is and how it is.

35:11But obviously my wife is very much younger than me, so we waited. But we all live together. So there's so much like, I mean, every one of us is so influenced by each other, every one of us. Like they're influenced by my sisters, my brother, my dad, my mom, my chaachi and the only quality I can't even think of a quality that my dad has that's bad you know I think there's nobody

35:52no one can be like my dad

35:57I wish my I mean my kids could imbibe everything but he is you know so I just feel that way why do you say so? because because he's just amazing he is you know and I guess I get emotional about it because he's really getting older now and I wish my parents could live on forever and ever so

36:27So, but I think the biggest hand in the way my kids are is because of my wife. I think my wife is my backbone, my strength. And if she was not a part of my life, I would be completely scattered, even though I have a strong family. But you have to live your life on your own. And no one can, your mom and your dad can't hold your hand. In fact, you have to hold their hands now to take care of them. But no one can hold your hand and take you forward or anything. And I think my wife is my biggest strength. And I think my wife, if any good qualities my kids have, I think it's because of my wife. I truly believe that.

37:16Do you believe that

37:20at one point your father's or your family's your brother's success became a prison for you? I only was told to think like that by people around me. It's difficult for you because you are under the shadows of your brother, your dad. I'm like, what shadow? I'm not doing the kind of movies they did and I have my own way of thinking and my own process of the way I do my work. But eventually, I still don't feel that. Because I always believed in myself so strongly at that given point before everything went downhill for me. And even when everything went downhill for me, I still didn't understand that.

38:07But now I understand that. Now I see that. What? that the comparison they make with you and your parents, with your father, with your brother. And now, in fact, the love I get, the love I've received all my life, and the way people have respect for me, you know, I'm so blessed because I haven't met a single person who hasn't come up to me, be it from my industry or from the outside, that when they saw me succeed, it felt as if they were succeeding. what I mean by that is ki you know identity foreclosure ho jata hai like it's like jab ap ek bhoati expected world mein se nikalti ho you in your own head not outside world you're like mein apne apko fully explore nahin garunga because there's a certain way that you have to live up to that expectation probably you didn't explore possible versions of Bobby because there was a right and wrong in your head Yeah, that's so true.

39:09That is so true, man. When you're an actor, you can't think of all these things. But because you're brought up in a way, you start thinking and not, you're letting your judgment not go the right way because you have to respect that side of what you've been taught. And that did come in my way, strongly. I would not choose certain characters or certain kind of projects because I felt it might upset my dad, my mom, my brother, my sisters might say things, but more so my dad and my brother. And when I decided that I have to change things for myself, when I decided that I'm going to be ready to face the world, I'm going to be ready for anyone coming knocking on my door, all the things what I enjoyed about watching cinema and what I enjoyed, I started focusing on that.

40:03I started looking at what did I enjoy about movies. It wasn't playing the main lead always. Because every time I saw a film, obviously I saw mostly my dad and my brother's films, so I always ended up looking, oh, I want to do this, I want to do that. But then when I used to see the same films again, but then I would think about those films, then I would think, oh, that character in that film, even though my brother was there, that one character stood out. He might not have had a very long portion of being in the film, but it was interesting. And I said to myself, I've lost everything. And now I want to do what I really enjoy.

40:45And I think that's how I started thinking to myself, now I have to not, I'm not being wrong towards my parents, towards my dad or my brother. The only person I was answerable to was my wife. Because that's what, because she's my wife and she's my everything. And every time I do a project, I always first tell her, like, this is what it is. You know. And she says, Bob, I've seen you go through what you went through. And I know what your dreams are. And I know what you really want to do as an actor. I'm with you. You just go ahead and do it. Because you're an actor and you have to play characters, enact characters, which is not what you are.

41:24but you want to do something which is out of your comfort zone go do it so I think OTT platform really helped me do that and then obviously thanks to Mamu who I love I call him with love Mamu Salman because years back I mean I've said it in so many interviews I always when I'm talking I feel I'm repeating but I have to talk about him he's a very special person in my life why do you call him Mamu? it's just something when we were young we started work it was just you know how we were we kind of same age group and you know Masti and all that Mamu Mamu you were same age group and you started calling just Masti because I nicknames like those yeah I'm Mamu to him it's like that I don't know how it came out I still don't know but I've known him because I used to be learning bike riding on the beach horse riding on the beach and he had just done his first film and he was like a normal person walking coming on the beach and And he used to ride and he used to do his bike stunts with me.

42:27And he was always, he loves bikes. He was really good at it. I used to be nervous because I've never been allowed to ride a bike on the street. I still don't know how to ride a bike on the street. Or, I mean, cycle I can ride. But they're not on the street. And so that's how the relationship. I used to play CCL. And he used to keep telling me, why have I grown a beard? And, you know, the most funniest thing is I keep going back and forth. But when I grew my beard, I was trying to work on a project which was a very dark kind of genre. And with this director, but no one was backing it. And I grew a beard because I wanted to play that character.

43:10And everybody used to make fun of me. You know, wherever I went. Which character? Ashnu? No, no, no. This was something he asked totally. This was something my brother was helping me with. Okay. And... We didn't get funding only. Okay. But I did... But I learned. I did acting classes. I did everything. And I think God wanted me to go through that process. You know. So things didn't work out. And he would keep meeting me at the CCL matches, Celebrity Cricket League. He said, what will the dadi happen? He's so good looking. Shave it off. I said, maamu, I'm just trying to do something different. He says, look, shave it off.

43:49And look how my career moved forward. I was starting off and I was still not reaching anywhere. And I climbed onto Sanjidat's back and onto your brother's back. And I moved forward. I said, then, Mamu, let me. He said, I'll definitely think of something. And then that's how race three happened, where I really transformed, where I really worked out, made a great physique, whatever I could for that in that short period. and people noticed me. You know, it's like I knew being a part of a Salman Khan movie, millions and millions of people are going to watch the film. The new generation had not known so much about me.

44:34So it was kind of forgotten. But when Race 3 came out, the young generation noticed me and they said, oh, there's a Bobby Deer also, you know. And it really helped. Everything I was doing was helping. Then because of that, I got Houseful, which again, Akshay Kumar, a big star. And again, kids connected with me because it was a comedy and they liked my character, whatever it was. But I was still not satisfied because that wasn't the cinema, as I said, when I decided that I wanted to work which is out of my comfort zone. And OTT happened. and I think that was the best thing that happened to not just me but a lot of actors who were in the same position as I was in and a lot of newcomers, you know.

45:23So Red Chillies was the first one to offer me, Shah Rukh's company. I did a film called Class of 83 where I didn't play the main lead, I played a character and I really enjoyed it. And I got a lot of phone calls for it, but Ashram took the whole cake away. He just came and just went crazy. Again, thanks to Prakash Jha, sir. I mean, I don't know what he saw in me, you know. I got a call from Shruti Mahajan, the casting director, and she had come to me earlier for some character which I didn't like, I didn't want to do, and he says, you've got, this is a really good web series Prakash Ji is making, and you have to, you know, go meet him.

46:05I said, I will. I've been wanting to work with Prakashji since years, you know, and I'm open to it. So when I went and met him, he narrated, and when he was narrating, I thought he was going to offer me the police officer's role, which Darshan played. And he said, I want you to play the Baba. And I'm like, wait a minute, what did I just hear? And it was just given to me in a platter, you know, which is, yeah, this is Baba, you play this. And that was like the best thing, and I didn't tell my parents. You asked me the earlier question. I didn't tell my father, my mother, my brother. Because they would say something.

46:45They would say, why are you doing something like this? But I told my wife. I said, you know, this character is very tough. It's very different. It might just help me change what I'm trying to change about my image. She said, just go ahead with it. And I did. and when it released, the amount of phone calls my father, my brother, my mother got from the people they knew, it was like never happened for a very long time, you know, in my career. They just went crazy about me playing a bad man who's so bad, but they all loved me playing it, you know. And that was like the best thing at that point. I mean, best, whatever, something I didn't even imagine.

47:30I was like what what just happened in my life you know there was one thing you left two loops open which I want to ask you about on that question yeah one was you said that you were watching when you were watching your father's movies you were interested you were interested you were interested for a long time on the screen or another character apart from your father and your brother and possibly also because you were immune so you would notice more other people, right? Give me an example, ki koi movie mein where in your brother's movie or your father's movie koi dousra character you love to watch See, it's like Om Ji, in so many of the films my brother's done, I mean, I even used to love the villains in the film Jaise, you mean?

48:17Jaise Danny sir, you know, and Amrish Ji and Ghadar, you know, to play those characters, even in Ghyal, they were interesting then Om Ji in Ghyal was so interesting as a cop and there were so many characters like that that I used to enjoy watching. Which one did you love the most? I mean, I have a lot of respect for Amrish Ji and Om Ji. Not because they're not with us right now, but because they were great human beings. I get connected with people when they're like that. Mostly. You know, for me, I miss them because I had such a... I was so lucky to have worked with them. Especially with Amrish Ji because I just did one movie with him.

48:56And I remember seeing him in Yateen. Oh my God, I was so impressed by him in Yateem. His whole persona, his life, the way he was, he would just take away the whole screen and he just looked at him. I just loved him in that. Yateem was one of my brother's favorite films made by JP Dutta. What was about him as an actor now? He's done characters which are such caricature characters, which are so over the top, yet he was convincing. And that is the most difficult thing for any actor to do. Be over the top and still not be irritating. You know, because cinema, when it started, when it was, now it's becoming a little real.

49:44But at a point, it was all about overacting and how you can convince people with your overacting. And if you really notice his work, you'll say, oh my God, such overacting. But you still enjoy it. Yeah. You know. And Om Ji, because of his subtleness and the way he would bring out that character and just perform in front of you, you know. It was just, I just love Om Ji. Yeah, true. So it was like even Sanjeev Kumar, you know, he was a great actor. I mean, all these people, even like if you really think of Shole, there are two people that really stay with you. It's Sanjeev Kumar's character and Amjad Ji's character.

50:23They really stay with you. Yeah. You know, because they were kind of so important and special. And they were all, I mean, especially for Sanjeev Kumar, he was not given that much, but yet the power in his eyes, you know, the strength of his just being silent in a scene was magical, you know. So you can be, you can have a character which plays for the gallery and people enjoy when you watch a movie. So you forget, you give them more importance in your reviews, in your discussions. But suddenly when you sit back and you think of the other characters and you say, dude, that was like, what a performance.

51:06So that's what I'm trying to do right now. You know, and I'm stuck with playing antagonist. Not stuck. You nail it. You choose it. It's coming to you. No, but I enjoy them because they've all been different. You know, like, Ashram was a completely different guy, different persona, different everything. Then Love Hostel again. You know, I always believe when I play these antagonist characters who are so-called negative or the villains, I don't think of them while performing as villains or negative. Because when you really meet people, a lot of people in your life, like you do meet a lot of people, you come across people who are, like, why can't they see they're wrong?

51:49why can't they see they're lying why can't they see that they're so wrong and mean because they don't believe they are because for them their reality is something else you know their backstory is something else so that's how I play these characters and that's why maybe I connect with the audiences you know because I I mean like for me Sandeep Reddy Vanga I I loved his films I love his work no matter there's a lot of debate about what kind of movies he makes I don't want to get into that. For me, I don't think about all those things. I think about whenever I choose a project, it's not about what people think of that person or don't think of the person.

52:27It's an entertainment business. So I think about the characters I play. And unless they don't have substances, they don't motivate me, or I don't have the gut instinct about it, I don't want to do them. And for me, I love the way Sandeep Reddy Vanga brings out the other side of every character which exists, which is not shown in movies because movies is always about good. You know, every good has bad in it. Yeah. But he brings that grayish shades in every character and he brings a reality about it in a commercial way. So when he offered me Animal again, it was like, I couldn't believe that he has messaged me, this is Sandeep Reddywanga, I would like to meet you regarding a movie.

53:13I'm like, what? Is this really Sandeep ready? I told my manager, I said, find out. He's a good one. He's a good one. He's a good one. I called him up immediately and I said, Sandeep, let's meet. And then we met. It was COVID time. And he narrated the whole idea to me. And as I said, I was looking for work which is out of my comfort zone. But when I met him, I didn't expect him to say, okay, this is a story. Your cousins, your relatives, you have this enmity because of the reasons why each of your characters feel you were wronged. And there's this beautiful climax sequence. I have this song, It's the Love of the Brothers, which will be shown in that song while you are fighting.

54:01And your character doesn't speak. I'm like, hello. I mean, I'm here with Sandeep Redi Vanga and I'm getting the biggest, biggest. for me it was just working with Sandeep Rediwanga was the biggest moment. I'm not just saying it. I really mean that. And I'm like and working with Ranbir. Like if I have two favorites in the industry I openly have been saying it is Ranbir and Alia. Not because the others are not so good. These are my choices. And I think Ranbir and Alia are two of the finest actors we have. And so the whole I said fine and I'll do it, you know. I said, but finally when the shooting was taking time and, you know, it was going on and I'm like calling Sandeep, what's happening?

54:49No, no, no, we'll be shooting, we'll be shooting this month and then it would get pushed. Then I started getting insecure. I started thinking, have they removed me? Because, you know, it's not a very lengthy role, but have they taken someone else? They've changed their mind. Because these kind of insecurities are there in every actor's mind, you know, that it's not time to look around. And then finally, he said there's a bare body fight sequence he told me and I was like really working out giving it all out you know like and then finally when I did that I learned sign language and I knew it would be a good film I knew that again as a character people would enjoy I hope they enjoy my work but I didn't imagine it would be that moment in every actor's life it changes everything for them You know, it was, I swear it took me almost a year.

55:42I kept pinching myself. I sometimes, even now, pinch myself to really believe that, oh my God, things have really changed for me, you know, has it really happened. So I think hard work really changes into luck. There's so many people who work hard. I just, you know, people, kids come up, message me sometimes, or wherever I go, they meet me. What advice can you give me, you know? I don't want to scare them from their dreams. And I don't want them to not know the reality of it either. So I always tell them it's very difficult. Look at me. I'm the biggest example. I'm an insider and I still had to fight it to come up.

56:22But don't stop dreaming. But don't just dream. Work hard. Be disciplined. And manifest, but be disciplined. Because discipline is the most difficult thing to be. It is. Every day I fight to be disciplined. I think you too, I'm sure. Because you have to, when you're disciplined, everything falls in place. Yeah. It goes all over. True. So I think that's something I've really, really tried to push myself to be disciplined. Eat right, sleep as much as I can on time. Be in an environment which is only positive, you know. and just I try to avoid being I hate crowded places but my whole industry is all about being in crowded places but I think discipline and self belief and be a good human being first that's what I was taught by my dad don't make excuses it's easy to make excuses it's like you can be wrong and say sorry easily you know excuses are like that so I always say don't make excuses because there's an excuse for everything I tell my kids that.

57:37I tell them, you've seen your papa. You've seen what he's been through. Maybe you were very young when he went through that bad phase, but you still saw what I went through.

57:50And I have not drunk a drop of alcohol since over a year. Nice. I just said to myself, if I want to celebrate, I want to remember what I'm celebrating, not get intoxicated and not remember that moment which is so special to me. And I don't want to give a bhasyan that you should not drink, because I have no one to give that lecture. But I just still believe that there are a lot of these kind of things which we end up doing, and we should just try to stay away from it, because it takes away your focus in life. You know, God has given me a second chance and I'm just trying. To just make the most of it.

58:36Enjoy every moment and make the most of it. Like even for me, Dads of Bollywood, it was a call from Red Chilis and I was told that Aryan Khan is directing. Would you like to be a part of it? Would they like to meet you? I said, I'm doing it. I didn't even say, I'm doing it, I said. Because I am from the same industry. I have two boys who want to get into this industry. And if my own industry people are not there for me, where will I go? It's the thought I have, this emotion, that's the fear. You need each other. True. And Shah Rukh is just He's just amazing As a person Shah Rukh is like So respectful He makes you feel so special These are the qualities My dad You know I've seen them In my dad Yeah And my dad is a legend And these are the qualities I've seen in Shah Rukh You know And that's what I mean That's what Every person You know Should not Behak ne jana chahiye And also I mean I just wanted And I went to meet Aryan, his sister, narrating the whole story to me.

59:49Seven hours I sat with him. And the way he narrated, I was just taken in by his conviction. Because a few months back, I met him at a party. He was standing by himself. And there was a lot of people. But I just saw him and I just went up to him. And I chatted with him for half an hour. And I just found something special about him. He looks intense. but there's something about his intensity. There's something in his eyes. And when I met him and I actually sat and heard him, I was like amazed, you know? And I was just like, dude, did I just get lucky being a part of this? You know? And then when I was on the sets and when I was working with him, that's when I realized that I just got lucky.

1:00:40because an actor can look as good his performance can look only as good as it can because of a director you can be the finest actors but if the director can't see that and use it in an actor it will never come across and the kind of maturity Aryan has I was just amazed and I kept telling myself I know what he must be going through He is a superstar's son. The pressure he has, and he's chosen not to act, maybe because one of those reasons, but he's chosen even the most toughest aspect of filmmaking, is becoming a director. But the way he was calm, the way he was on the sets, and he just made us work really hard.

1:01:35And if there was no EP coming up to him and saying, it's pack up he would never pack up I guess but that's the reason why people have enjoyed his show that's what he did he made every character look the character play the part you know I mean everyone's getting so much love for it do you feel there are similarities between you and Arit because both background insiders papa both superstars and then you work together maybe some kind of similarity or same level of I guess I wish I had the same fire like he had now at this age I mean I started off with a lot of fire with a lot of this thing that I'm going to you know kill it but things got delayed for me a lot you know and but I was really involved when I started you know do you see any other similarities?

1:02:22other than that no I think he's very talented I don't know if I'm that talented and he has you being ambe no I think his persona he attracts you he has this thing about him he just attracts you but do you feel probably that pressure and thoughts and confusions is coming through definitely I'm sure he is I mean he's been through a lot more than I have in many other ways which no child should ever go through you know and but that's the way the world is becoming right now you know that's that's human beings but as a as a star kid and as a part of industry There was a lot of things that didn't increase in the party.

1:03:08You didn't do that at that time. There was nothing like that. There was no paparazzi culture. There was no phone with camera. So, who would you take a photo? Who would you take a video? It's starting now. If I'm growing up, then my life is... I think about my kids. I mean, they're so under the scrutiny of paps and things like that. I keep my kids away from everything as much as I can. Because obviously, Aryan's show was the first time. It was his first show. And I got to get my son with me. My little son is also Sharmila. He doesn't come. But I just, it's a special moment. And so that's how it is.

1:03:56I mean, I, obviously my family's culture is a lot of traditional. But I always thought that when I will marry, whatever I will marry, if I have to work, I will never stop her. Because it's so unfair. And my wife works. And... But it's inevitable that your fame will go to your wife and your kids and for them things are difficult to be comparatively to what you were because today is social media world. Yes, that is. Do you tell them to keep in mind do you have to party or not do it at home No, I don't say anything because my wife gave her so good support and my children are so understanding I'm not doing it I'm not doing it I'm not doing it at home they will go out very little if they go to their friends if they go to eat they go to home I was reading about you You said somewhere that I was a star once and it died.

1:05:03Why did you say that? It means that I don't want to think about myself as a star. Because to sustain being a star is not that easy. When someone tells me, I want to say something like a superstar or a star Bobby Diol, I'm Bobby Diol. I am an actor. If you respect the actor, that means the world to me. But you were a star once. I was because I had so many hits. How do you gauge anyone's, how do you, you know, there's no meter or such. When you give a lot of hits, you become a star. Yeah. You get your market value becomes better. Never got mad. I wish I realized how important, how short-lived it can be.

1:05:52be because I would have worked harder. I just went with the flow. I just went shooting shooting, the film went good, it didn't go. It was a lot of pain. Then at one time it came out that the film stopped playing and the work stopped. The other subjects were going to get the other actors. They were going to reach the office and convinced me.

1:06:31I guess I couldn't not say no to a lot of people when I'm just saying my When people become friends, I can't say them easily. I don't know why. I don't become selfish. I don't think that my work is before and after I am a friend. My friends become important and I respect them. But being in this line, it's not about relationships. And I learned that from my - I saw my dad doing that. He did so many films that didn't go but he did it for the friends. He did something like that. But that

1:07:17I have done things like that in my career where I didn't think of how it would take me back. But that's how you learn. When did it go? What was the specific moment where it was finished? The work was closed. I was closed. I was closed. I was closed. But I was closed. Now I thought how I would do this work with my own and how I would do this role. I felt like I had a role. I didn't want to do that. Do you think your fault was wrong? Definitely. Maybe because I think I think I didn't see many hardships what my father saw when he struggled to become an actor. So you took granted Liliya, is that what you said?

1:08:07Maybe I did, because I was given everything. Life was very comfortable. What are you doing now that you have this understanding? I work on myself. Like? Like I am more focused. I take care of my health. I take care of what I eat. I listen to scripts, not just listen to them. I work with my directors and writers. I sit and discuss things. I don't just let it happen. I really, really, I really, really get into the whole into it. You know. You didn't do it before? Before I felt respect. That director is, I'm going to say something. Because we have taught it. Yeah. They are big. How do you say it?

1:08:47You're doing it. It's not good. It's not good. Now I'm not the same. I'm not saying anything. Now, when I come to my heart, I discuss it. And luckily I get such directors who listen to me. I think what makes you a good director or an actor is when you listen. Because it's all about action-reaction. If as a director you don't listen to your actors, you won't understand them and you won't be able to get the work out of them. And an actor, when he's performing, if he doesn't listen to his character who's playing opposite him, you won't give the reaction. You know, he doesn't listen to me. He doesn't listen He's not saying anything.

1:09:19He's saying anything. Reaction, something else you're saying. These are the things I've learned over the years. And also, I get up every day in the morning, I always say, I'm going to conquer the world. I motivate myself. What was the most important thing in my hands? To be set. You know? Every day be on set. I'm on set. I don't think the time is going to be short. I'll ask what's happening. Why is that happening? No. God has given me this opportunity again to be on a set. Did you do it first? I'll probably do it first because I was immature, I feel. Were you a little tantrum-y, pompous? I wasn't.

1:10:03Maybe people thought that way. Because that's what I heard about myself on the internet. People used to say I used to come late to work. I didn't want to work. It was never like that. I was never late to work. I never... You know, I gave one interview years back, and that's when I spoke about all these things. Because people had a wrong impression about me. And that wife has a lot of money, she doesn't have to do work, nothing. What do you think is the biggest misunderstanding about you?

1:10:35See, actors get misunderstood very easily. Because that's the world we live in. People speak a lot. People like to hear only bad things about people. you know and that gets more spoken that gets more likes as you say to the new language but I just that's why I said where I go people say that we are happy because you are successful we are happy so that's an achievement I think it's the biggest achievement any actor can get you know so misunderstanding what do you think? Misunderstanding is what I have cleared I don't lazy. Now people know this. Today what do you think? Is there a misunderstanding?

1:11:17There is no misunderstanding. Now people know you for who you are. Now people are giving me so much respect. Because end of the day my work is saying. Anything happens. I want to give you so many interviews to clear your work. No one will listen to me. But when I say this when I meet people, that your work wasn't going to be on your own. We don't have a lot of love. We love you. But there was a time when I was a troll in the DJ. I was told a DJ. I would say a DJ. Sometimes I would say a message would say, DJ, this thing is happening. Would you be interested in being a DJ? I said I'm not a DJ. What was that?

1:11:55There was an incident when you were an actor, maybe you also sometimes get called to events and you get paid to be at the event. So I called myself in Delhi, I was a special night for a nightclub and I was a guest and I said to him, I was standing behind the console and just put your hands on the music. Now the music is the music that is the actor's music. The DJ is playing my songs. So it was going on. The crowd was all fine. But one month later, I don't know who was the one who was trying to troll me. and Ashok. They made Bobby Diol what was understanding of you, he was playing his music, he was doing this, he was doing this.

1:12:38Some took it in the negative way, somebody thinks, hey Bobby DJ is now. You know, I don't want a DJ's ABCD. I don't know. Today people always say, and their own plan is to DJ Bobby. I don't know. Abhay does DJing. Abhay likes to do that. But I don't. So that's one thing people miss. I mean, I was misunderstood. I was broken. My heart was broken. People made fun of me. I'm being honest. When people make fun of you, your heart breaks. You know, and that's when you start giving up more and more. and that's why the things which give you comfort are the wrong things like alcohol What did you feel like at this point?

1:13:20I was like, I was like, I was like, you know how mean people can be and Tell me the meanest thing you've read about this or heard Oh, I read first time I read something like this was when I did Soldier Yeah That I was a bad actor and all this though my film was a big hit by this very famous editor and the guy who used to preview and I didn't speak to that magazine for one year. I said, I don't want to talk to these people. Then they came and met me and said, no, because I was still doing well, you know. Yeah. So they came and then I said, okay. But I was really hurt that time. There was this famous celebrity lady who called me an Italian waiter.

1:14:05But then she, recent times she tried to be nice about me. So these things happen. So what was your fear at that time? Conscious, obviously I was fear of being embarrassed. It happens. Now it is? Now it is. What changed? I don't know, I am fearless. Besides making me dance on stage. I am fearless about everything. You are a good dancer, you should dance more. No, I don't remember my steps of my songs. All actors are coming, they start their steps. start to do it. It's not happening here. It's not happening here. So I said before, I went to the reality show and I wanted to dance to me but they would still make me but that's it.

1:14:51I don't have any other things. Today you are fearless. I think to a great level I am fearless. And at that time fear was that someone embarrassed you. You have to maintain your image. You have to maintain maintain. I can't do the work. I'm very unfiltered. I don't know how to be filtered. I don't know how to filter myself when I'm talking. Abhay is the opposite of me. Abhay is Abhay. But I love that about him. How much dynamic you have? Abhay is a very small. He's a 7-year-old. Abhay is one of the most talented actors. He has such strong beliefs that he's done what he wants to do. He's a good entrepreneur also.

1:15:33I mean, he's, he's, he, kuch bata to say nahi hoti bana, bola deta hai ki ye hai, woh hai, par aisa kuch nini hai, mujh se itni bataata nahi hai, lakin bota khub surut ghar bana hai, goa mein, mujhe kata rahta ki, come stay there, mujhe goa itna pasand nahi jana. Kyo? Pata nahi, mujhe, I think I like the mountains. Okay. I'm more of a mountain person than beaches. Ye nahi ki goa khub surut nahi, goa ke bhi ek khub suruti hai. Par, uh. You like mountains. I like mountains. I like the cold. But I keep telling him, if you're not an actor, you're a lawyer. Because I can't win an argument with him.

1:16:14I've told him that from the beginning to him. I cannot argue with him. Because we end up fighting. And if he's a small, then I'm sorry. You know, that's in our family. That always, when we say something, listen to something. Close Indian Guys Yeah And very small Let's go Ok Ok That when I joined� keep coming And W piles축 Well I talked a little Rawat I was laid to Come. So Lehead Thanks

1:17:00Ap Thanks Ap I didn't ask for anything. I waited for my father. I had to watch some film.

1:17:09Then I felt like I was going to leave the camera. I kept the camera down. And I told him that if someone asked me, I'm sleeping or not.

1:17:22So I said, brother, you're not doing it the right way. Let me help you. So I was helping me, I felt good at that, that someone's sleeping in the truth, and I was going to go. Then, a few years later, I came to my house, and I said, man, these are all the things. Then my mother told me, you have to hurt me. How did I hurt you? I didn't have to hurt you at night. So these are some beautiful memories I have of growing up. though i bullied him a lot i wish i didn't what did you do like i was little so i was bullied and then i was like i was like what i was doing and i wish i wasn't like that you spoke about imtiyaz ali there was one movie you got to play yeah yeah what happened tell me i think did you feel bad i was heartbroken as i said i mean these things break your heart.

1:18:20I was not getting work. I was doing films with certain directors which they, I was just doing them. They were typical Bollywood films and there was this story which in fact with Imtiaz, I have nothing against him. I love the guy. He's just an amazing director. One of the most talented directors we have in our industry and a really lovely guy. And I guess in that moment in his career also, he was insecure and he had to make choices. But the thing happened in the most bad way because I was trying, I saw rough cut of the first half of Sochanath and I was taken completely bored over the film. I was like, what a film is made.

1:19:04I got to get the film. I said, I have to do the film. I have to do the film. I have to do the film. I think there was one director who I have ever said. And he said, I'll write it in the first place. So he started writing it. And then, my time wasn't good enough. So I had a producer who had a name. He forgot his name. And I said, he wanted to film me. So I said, let him take advantage. But they had some reasons that they wanted to take advantage. So I said, what do we do? So I said, I was like casting There are heroes of the cast Who can play the heroines? So I said, Karina Kapoor has been to it Karina has heard it But she said no Then I said, One year or two years Or one year Then I talked to Priti Priti said, I'll do it But 6-7 months later And that 6 months later But that's the only thing that wanted to be able to get the role of the person.

1:20:13They didn't produce it. They signed it. Kareena Kapoor did it. And maybe Kapoor played the role I was supposed to play. But... When we met. Yeah, when we met. That's when she was something else. What was the name of the character? I forgot. Geet. Geet was the title. When we wrote the story. Because it's about the girl. but it's my destiny I wasn't meant to be in it but at that point I was heartbroken I had no work as such that I was going to really enjoy doing I really loved the story of Geet then at the same time when that happened I got offered which again I was really happy Chalo Ye Nhi Mua Kam Sikam Yashraj Banner has taken me for a project but that also was a disaster at box office so things were just not working for me

1:21:04Did you feel inferiority at any point? Yes, my wife always told me. What? Why do you think so less about yourself? At that time, you were feeling less about yourself? During that one phase, that phase of five years, six years, I used to think less about myself. I used to even go to parties, I used to just stay in one corner, not try to come in the forefront. Why? I just didn't feel that anyone wanted to talk to me or anyone wanted to give me any importance. That you're small. Yeah, and then when I was going, I had an importance. I was standing there, someone got to get me, I said hello. I was watching everyone.

1:21:38Everyone has the need for them. Everyone has the need for them. So I said, this needs to get to you. But it's taught me. Failure has taught me that you can't take anything for granted. You cannot. You cannot be able to do it. Because it's always been to me and went. And if I will go to the next time, I will start thinking big in my head. It's going to go away. It's going to hurt me more. You know? So I don't... I still... I just listen to people. I don't like to have people around me who were chumche who were calling chumche at that time. Yeah, they say today too. Yeah, today too. So I saw my father's way around four and four.

1:22:22My brother's way too. But I never felt the truth of them. I knew that this was what I was saying, keeping you happy. So I never get taken in by any of these big dogs. I always believe that I know what I'm doing. And I can feel it. And I feel it more now than I did before.

1:22:51and then at three o 'clock in the morning this all happened to me after animal release so I sat and was animal on Netflix I watched what I did I watched that movie of three hours and then I didn't understand what I did I went to sleep around 10 o 'clock in the morning and I got up at 11 and by 12 I left for work and I shot for 12 hours with him and I went there and he didn't give the dialogues at that time. And the moments created in the script that you should just understand the emotion and the words would just come. So I've never worked like that before. And so it was, I always say that I'm doing a workshop.

1:23:40I'm taking a class for three weeks and I'm learning a lot. As an actor, how to tap my inner soul even more, how to be real, to be ourselves like how I am right now. In front of the camera it's not that easy. You know? At that time when you can't be larger than life, you can't be able to do anything in your life. and then in your life you start doubting yourself you're going to parties you're thinking I'm maybe lesser what about you, you felt lesser? because inferiority complex is very normal every human being goes through it everybody goes through it, it's not just me alone at one moment, at one given point but for me it was a very long period I feel what inferiority was happening I'm not a big star I'm not a doctor, I'm not a doctor, I don't like acting, I don't like anything, I'm not powerful enough.

1:24:41I think it's all of these things, all these things what you just said, these things come in one's mind. And so it becomes more and more, it brings you down. And because I'm so emotional, it kind of made me even more weaker in that moment. And alcohol was my only support system at that point. And I just started drinking a lot and not realizing what it was doing to me. You know, kept blaming the world around me. That they didn't understand me. What did they blame? That I don't know my potential. I can do it. I can do it. I can do it. In all my mind, it seems to be happening. But why are they doing this?

1:25:28Why are they good to improve? Why are they good to improve? Why are they good to improve? They're working on themselves. They're not giving up. They have self-belief. All those things no one realizes. You know, Salman is Salman because of his self-belief, man. Shahrukh is Shahrukh because of his self-belief and hard work. You know, Aamir, my brother, Akshay, Ranveer, Ranveer, all of them. You know, everyone is because they have so much belief. And I think there's so many other actors who don't reach that kind of stardom. but you enjoy them as actors. There's so many of them. In my web series itself, Pads of Bollywood, Manish has done such a great job.

1:26:05Manoj Bawasar, he's been there in the industry for so long. He's always been there and always entertaining us. And look at Raghav. Raghav. Look at his journey, man. Raghav, Lakshay Bhutan. Yeah. I mean, they have a journey. I mean, all of them. I love Raghav, by the way. No, I love Raghav as a person also. I love watching. Like, I've been following him since, I mean, when I was a kid and then I love how he's evolved over the years from that one slow-mo walk I don't know if you know him the other day my son is a big fan of his I'm a big fan my son my younger son Dharam is a big fan of his and because my younger son is just obsessed about movies movie making and to another level not that my older son isn't he showed me that video of his slow-mo walk when he had learned the croc rocks dance and you know it was just lovely to watch that and it's so amazing and so beautiful to see him now and he's so grounded he's an incredible actor he's incredible to another level I mean I don't know if you've seen the show as yet there's this whole scene about him and Imran Hashmi but the way he starts and he sees him and he has this emotion In his eyes And he's singing His song People are laughing But you can see He's emotional And that's a Sign of a great actor You know Yeah I told him that I mean I think Even Lakshir I think everyone In the show I mean They've all worked So hard And how Aryan Has got work Out of each And every one Of them Is incredible Incredible Raghur was saying You know when I was Offered The role I was told to play A friend I'm like What's happening I'm doing a friend I'm doing a friend So Aryan told him Why are you thinking so Sit We will discuss What can you do How can you do And see what the show Turned out for him So I told him I said dude We are lucky We got a great director Who understands Each and every one of us As the actors What we are capable of What was the lowest point In your life When this period was going The lowest point was that I was going through a bad time My brother was going through A bad time My dad was obviously not doing so much work.

1:28:27House was going through that pressure. But my brother would never show the pressure. He would always want to take care of every one of us. And they never gave me the responsibility. They always hid the stress thing from me. Because now I feel, why did they do that? Shelter check. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. But you mean incident or moment where you felt that you leave me? Or you didn't? because there was a moment where you have talked about that you started to drink a lot and then you started to self-pity and you were just going in this spiral and low so which moment was that you were like let me quit it it's not harming me so let me drink I want to work, I still want to be an actor but I was not seeing the mirror too often to see how bad I started looking you know and what was I mostly liked for or casted for was the way I look, my physicality more than an actor.

1:29:31And then one day I was sitting, I used to just be home and my wife works and my son, Sarni, tells my wife in front of me, obviously they didn't say it purposely, they were saying, you know, mom, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, changed everything for me. I just couldn't handle that. What did you feel about yourself? What am I doing? What kind of a father, what kind of example am I setting up for my kids? How will they grow? How will they come to the light of something in life? I am doing a give up. I can't do that to my children. I have not told them to be born. I have given them a life.

1:30:16I have brought them to their lives. So, it's my responsibility to make an example for me. And that's when I changed. I started working out. I started preparing myself. I started doing acting classes. I did a few here and there. I tried to be ready so that if anyone came knocking at my door, I would do something. But even at that point, I did some films because my brother always wanted you know like we managed to do and all those things which were just bad directors bad scripts except for the first one nothing was working out you know but even then I just started not letting that come to me I started just I said no things will happen things will happen self belief started coming self belief started coming did you do any weird job?

1:31:12no dude I have never done any weird job

1:31:19I meant maybe something which you said that I can't dance in reality so I was like okay now nothing is working out I'll add this or dance I'll go to London I didn't forget I didn't forget I didn't ask I didn't ask DJ that I made that I was even going to events I wanted to be the breader I mean my wife was earning but I used to just go to places I went to so many talent agencies to take me on. For work? Yeah. And no one took me on. No one. And you told them to sign you? Yeah. With request or with attitude? No. With request. This is the times when I was trying to get back. Like I want to meet people.

1:32:10I want to get an agency. The system was changing. So a lot of talent agencies started coming up. There were so many, I knew them also. And they just said, no. Why? We can't do anything for you. No, you don't have any demand. Yes, you can't do anything.

1:32:29And I was like, what the f - you know? I mean, one person I don't know very closely did that to me. That really hurt me. But then I've learned from all these things. I've learned from all these situations, all these people around me that you can't give up because nobody is yours. When you are of need, I mean, when you are of use, they will use you if you can make things change for them. But Salman, UBTI is a company. I've been, my work has been taken care of by them. You know, at least that kind of person who created a talent agency for people who he could help. And I was a part of that. And even then I wasn't getting work.

1:33:16So, Nikhil Dibedi, who's one of the partners in it, he's a good friend of mine. And I would say, why not? I said, Bobby, it's not like that. The talent agencies don't do this. It will come. Then story and things, when things started, things changed. Then I realized, okay, maybe those people who said no to me, they can't do anything for me, you were right. Yeah. Because they couldn't do anything for me. In the first film, my last shot was my last shot. My brother had to enhance my introduction to show my introduction. I had to fight with a tiger, so I had to give a tiger. I had to see the cruelty to animals.

1:33:56At that time, I was probably watching. So, I told him that we didn't do this shooting. So, we went to Italy. In a small town, there is a man who has a zoo. Siberian Tiger, this Tiger, Black Panther, that's what I was saying. I had to fight with Tiger. Real Tiger. My head closed. I had to think of it. It was a piece of meat. It was a metal wire with a metal wire. It was cut cut. I was cutting my teeth and I had to keep my teeth in the garden. I had to keep my hands down the bottom of my hand and I was like, I'm fighting. But imagine a dog biting you. This is a tiger man. God damn it. We did that and then we went to London and we had some shots to give horse riding.

1:34:58I had to give a shot and the shot was broken. So, luckily it was the last day of shooting. But I have the fear of riding horses. Things like that. Did you went through depression or dark phase? I mean, I would not know how to call that period of my life. Maybe I was in depression when I was not working. But, or I was just sad. Did you become monster inside? No. A negative person? No, I just drink. I become, you know, anger, chitchard. And all those people who are your next to you, can see. Did they see a version of you which you are not proud of? Yeah. My wife. What? She saw angry, annoyed or disappointed?

1:35:44Angry, anger, behaving badly, saying stupid things. Because that's what alcohol does to you. It messes with your brains. And you don't know what you are talking or saying. It's just anger and negative thoughts in your head Which are not even real or true But you're just feeling that People think people Darupi ke loo saj bolteh Sach nahi hota Ho dhard hota hai Chor sab loo saj lagta hai Par Ho jau ke sab se nasdik hota hai Hoi sun sakte hai Hoi samaj sakte hai Hoi bardaaj kar sakte hai And I think that's one of the biggest reasons Where I feel That I finally have stopped drinking Since over a year now because I work for who?

1:36:26For my family. And if I see their eyes, I will always be scared or I will always be afraid of what I am doing. I don't know how many times I was drinking. But when I was drinking in that phase, I would be scared of it. Because you would... Because they would just not know how I would be. And it's poisonous, man. You start spitting venom. It's horrible, man. And alcohol is like it should have written on the label. You know, it's injurious to health. It is. It's the biggest addiction. It is more addictive than actual drugs. It messes with your brains like narcotics does. That's what it does. Just write it in injurious to relationships.

1:37:11Yeah, basically injurious to what you really desire. But there's always a shame to talk to them at any point when you were low. No. Nothing like that. That is so good. Yeah. There's always a shame. never had such a father figure to me. You were scared. I didn't drink water in front of them. After that, I was married. After that, I had to drink in front of them. But I never had such a father figure. Ashram was a negative thing coming back. You all have said, don't do it. Salman called me up. He found out. He said, Bobby, I heard you're doing this. You're playing this character. I said, no, I'm not playing that character.

1:37:50I'm playing a character which is based on all the characters that exist in our country. It's a mash-up of all of them. Okay, so I said, I said, I said, I really want to do this. Okay, then, okay. He was really caring. And that's it. I don't know how he found out. I didn't even tell him, but he found out. But that damn was a little bit scared. The whole night, I didn't sleep. Salman is saying this. and I told my mom and dad to my dad, but I said no, I have to do it. And then at the time of promotion, you were taking vertigo? I came. I have vertigo an issue. But that trigger will happen when you think a lot, or you are very tired, head spinning, overthinking.

1:38:38That's what the doctors tell me, I have menus. So what happens when the liquid overflows, then crystals get displaced, and that happens. So when you're stressed also, it can happen. So you were stressed about people who say what, my role, how do you see me? They were stressed about that I'll come back or not. No, what will they say? I didn't think I was thinking about this show. I didn't do this show for a comeback. I showed this for my personal reasons. I was going to challenge myself as an actor and what I could do as an actor. So that people who say about my work, people who say what. So what do you say?

1:39:14You were scared. Like, yeah, because I was wondering how my fans would react. Who called you first after that? When the show was live. Now you're waiting for feedback because people will say what? Two or three people will call. So, I can't recollect as such, but I know who all, like my brother's friends. My brother is saying, Bobby, my friend's phone came. He said, you've done a great job. He wants to talk to you, call him. And then, all his friends. not just one all his close friends he doesn't have too many and then my dad saying I'm coming to my phone son you show the ashram everything you have done you have done you have done then my mom is coming to my friends he wants to meet you he's living in my heart he's living in my heart he's saying you're so much I'm saying you're so much I'm saying you're so much I'm saying you're so much I didn't expect that You know, so Any call Which you gave a stunt What did you say?

1:40:19Something that you were Really surprised I mean, to get so much love And to say you are amazing And, you know, they love you For playing that character My fans I have a few fans on my WhatsApp You know And As I say I cannot stop If people Want my number I can't stop myself from giving it But I have a few fans And I stay in touch with them In that sense and I met a few of my fans who said I made a difference to their lives. You know? And it makes me feel so responsible as an actor in many ways because

1:40:59I was their support without them knowing me personally when they were going through a bad time in their lives. And I helped them get out of it. There's so many people I meet like that and it's just... I never thought that I could make a difference to people's lives. You know, so I have fans like that. I have fans who've got, you know, in my WhatsApp ID, I've, I call myself B and a D. So I put it as B, double E, D, double E, and I put a B. Whatever they call it, emoji of a B. So one fan has made a tattoo of that on his arm. And one, I mean, there's so many like that. There's one fan who took my autograph and next thing she comes and meets me and she shows me my autograph on her hand.

1:41:44So I have a lot of love. I'm very blessed, you know, and it's all, and, you know, for me, like, I might keep a security guy with me, but I can't say no to people because I always tell myself whatever I am today is because of the love. I would be nothing. And, I mean, I mean, animal changed everything for me. I mean, animal was like, I remember the day when I was shooting with Aryan, and we were in Ali Bagh, and we were coming back on the ferry. And just before the ferry ride, a day before, Sandeep called and said, Bob, I made the teaser and I was surprised for you. So I'm like, okay. And it's coming out the next day, and we were on the ferry.

1:42:34And network is bad. I'm trying to watch it, trying to watch it. nothing, nothing. Then finally somewhere I got network, I'm watching. And okay, it's going on, going on. And the title has come and I'm still not in. And then suddenly in the end I come, you know, doing that knife thing. Yeah. And I'm trying to understand, okay, this is a surprise. Yeah, it looks interesting, but then I'm showing the crew members of Aryan's show. And everybody, we just shot the whole night. We just got the ferry. We did not sleep. So everybody's zoning out. So people are reacting, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, okay.

1:43:14This is the biggest film I've done after a long time. And, you know, I'm really kind of counting on it. And no one's reacting. And then I got into the car and my phone network got caught. I mean, it started working properly. The amount of messages I started getting with that one teaser was to another level, man. The look. Yeah. They just, I mean. And working with Ranbir Kapoor. I mean, I'm telling you, I'm a big fan of his. I've worked with a lot of actors. They've changed so much. They're so insecure. And Ranbir is not insecure one bit. Salman is not insecure one bit. I'm talking about these big names.

1:43:52There are other actors I've worked with who just want everything for themselves. And Ranbir, imagine doing that scene where... Suddenly, while we were doing the fight sequence, he told me that, I want Bobby, his character hits him, Ranbir falls, and Bobby falls on top of him, and he lights a cigarette. I mean, that's the coolest moment you can possibly even imagine. And Ranbir didn't say a word. He went with it. Because he knew how important the film was, and how important it is to have your antagonist look powerful enough, so that your character comes out properly. Otherwise if you see climax fights of any film It's so one-sided In the beginning hero will get punch two three times And then it's all Disham disham and he's done So I just I mean the kind of love I got After that film because my fans were waiting When when When we will do such a movie Where we will do proud feel Ashram se proud feel But the magic of silver screen Is something else altogether it changes your life as someone who loves reading learning body language presence I love understanding about influence what I saw power of silence what you did in those few minutes the whole just like you are the main thing in that without even saying a word and you made your presence everyone has felt it I am a father you know that vibe it just came out where you were not extra built you were not shown that the rest are small and you are big nothing was like that and not giving a lot of heavy dialogue in that climax scene also not not lead actor not you are big both are equal screen everything is equal and still this power of gaze every moment every shot just stand hold just tell something how do you make people feel presence in that it's very difficult to see you know it is as I said I don't feel less about myself anymore my wife always told me you're special there's something about you which is special and you need to believe that You are nothing ordinary.

1:46:26You know? And I think somewhere I started believing that the self-belief has come. And I know myself. I have understood myself. Just as my dad said, I have understood myself. I know that I can create that when I feel it honestly. I mean, I was nervous like hell when I was walking and, you know, when I walked into this, the whole dance sequence first happened. Then the second part of the scene happened. And then he told me, I'm not lying, I'm not trying to boast about myself. And I'm sitting and I'm walking in and now I'm a family man. So I was feeling it because I am a family man. See, this is what an actor needs.

1:47:16I was just walking in. I was giving respect to everyone because I'm a nice person. I respect you unless you do something wrong to me. I meet my mother. She's sitting there. I meet my wives. I look at them. I know they are irritated that I'm not equal with them and I'm getting married for the third time. And my kids mean the world to me. And these thoughts stay with you. And somewhere, luckily God has given me a structure which has that kind of attention-seeking kind of structure, I guess. And then when I did that shot where he comes and tells me something in my ear, and I just look at him, and then I look at my brother, I could feel that someone's killed my brother.

1:47:57That was my emotion. That was what I felt. And I just went and I just slaughtered that guy. And when I came and I did that shot, from that point that I beat him and I walk and come and do the shot, There's one take and they said, cut. Everyone started clapping. Now I'm like, okay, these artists who come to do these small roles, they're always excited. So they must have clapped. And Sandeep came and said, Bob, what a shot. I was watching you and you were emoting it and the way you took the direction of your emotions. And then you came back. It's an Oscar winning shot. These are his words. and he said done and I'm still insecure I'm like this is why I'm saying that I'm acting I'm not acting I'm doing this you know because that's what he felt in that one shot but I just was out there with the biggest opportunity of my life I wanted to give every inch of me every bit of me to that character but can you go darker than what you've already done let's say darker than animal darker than natural yeah I could I mean but how dark can anything get than Ashram?

1:49:11Animal wasn't dark. Animal was just a man who was just angry and hurt. His backstory was more sad than Ranbir's backstory. Yeah. If you really look back. Tell me, what's the definition of alpha for you? Oh my God. Alpha. You played good boy and bad boy. Extreme alpha, extreme toxic. See, there are different kinds. What's alpha for you in real life? See, an alpha Alpha, for me in real life, is someone who takes care of his loved ones. And he's protective, no matter, even if it's not his near and dear. He's a protective person. He's not someone who takes advantage of anything. That's what an Alpha is.

1:49:51But Alpha can be taken in many ways. Alpha, people think he's arrogant. He's a narcissist. He's that. He's not that. I believe Alpha is someone who's a protector. What's something about love that you have learned, which you really adore about your relationship with your wife? For me, I will not be able to describe it in one word. I will only be able to tell you that for me, my whole life, my everything. It is so funny, but parents usually come first in your life and give you everything. But the way my wife has been there for me, She takes the first place in my life. Wow. Not that I don't love my parents, but she means everything to me.

1:50:43Wow. That's how I feel for her.

1:50:49What do you absolutely adore about her? Her simplicity. Her... When she's with me in front of Babs, she's so conscious, and she just fumbles and you know how people put comments and I'm like, I laugh about it with her. And the other day we were going somewhere. I didn't call, I mean, usually nowadays the culture of calling paps, you know, it's become like a thing you do, but I hadn't called paps that day. And paps were there and we were going and I just said to her, I said, you know, this is how I always like to see you, the smile you had on your face that day. You know, it was just so beautiful.

1:51:29Because it was just, I don't know, it was just a beautiful moment, which was captured by thanks to a pap. Let me make it more difficult. Let's say if your wife is asking you, why do you love her? What would you say? I love her because she loves me more.

1:51:52That's what I feel. And why do you think she loves you? because she does more for me than I could do for her. I don't think I can... She's so strong. She gives me more strength than I can give her.

1:52:11And she's just amazing. Are you more close to your dad or mom? Every child is close to the mom, no matter what, no matter how hard you try, because I wanted that to change with my kids. I wanted my kids to love me more than their mother but no first call goes to the mother then comes to me even the mother doesn't listen you know that's how it is tell mama I want this I'm like why why are you asking me now people have asked me first I would have allowed you because I can't say no to my kids yeah now your mother knows now I can't do anything about it now she's right you're the spoiler yeah I just can't I just can't say no Okay, here's the last question.

1:52:56And that is that you've been invisible for years. And you've had a great run. And now you're everywhere. You've completed almost 30 years in the industry. Yeah, 6th of October. So it's big. Three decades. It's big. And you've been in ups and downs. You've seen everything. What do you know today about this fragile-like image of stardom that you didn't know back then? I mean, I didn't know about, as I said, when I started my career, I never thought there was competition. I never thought that you have to go knocking on everyone's door for work. And it exists. You have to. And that's how the world moves.

1:53:47And then there's nothing wrong in it because that's how you have to operate. You know, that's the only way to function. That's what I've learned. Other than that, I think I feel that I still believe that I don't want to be seen so much besides being seen in my movies. Cute. Because I wish there were no phones with cameras on it. Because my kids can't enjoy their life, you know. I just wish for that. Because that's a difficult part of being from a film family. I love my work. I am happy that I'm sitting here with you. And I'm that special or important that you wanted to interview me. I feel honored that you came here.

1:54:37No, but I'm just saying that. I swear, this is what I feel. you know I I'm so grateful to God for being able to be doing all these things and giving my voice to what people misunderstand through you you know and that's what it is you know I mean 30 years later do you feel that you're getting started or this is I just started dude it's my third year I just started and I have a long way to go You see me I mean I always I just I I hope I take my last breath While I'm working That's what I wish for And I hope When I take my last breath I don't regret Hurting too many people In my life Have you hurt people?

1:55:32I have I must have No one can be perfect Do you intentionally Know that you hurt people? Not Like do you consciously I might have hurt them For my selfish reasons We always do that Are you consciously aware that there are people that you've hurt? You have that in your back of your head I have because of The way I might have been after drinking The way I might have Spoken to someone Without trying to be mean I can't handle it When I'm wrong with someone I have to immediately go up to them and say I'm sorry after half an hour or so Because I can't take that guilt But we all end up being wrong sometimes So for me that is something which We can never be perfect We'll end up hurting someone or the other without knowing But are you forgiving about it Usually for yourself or you're like You hold it and you regret it for years You are in guilt I stay with guilt because I can't help But feel wrong about something I've done I'm like that That's why I just wrote that I take that guilt for very very long Very long it's not easy You know suddenly that comes to you You're sitting and suddenly you're having a great time And suddenly you think of that thought And be like why I wish I'm not philosophical like that I'm not philosophical I'm not like I messed up I can't think Thank you so much Thanks dude Doing this And really opening up I'm telling you I don't have anything to hide I am what I am I love talking to you Thank you so much for doing this It was an honor to have you on a podcast and genuinely it felt like more conversation than me like any other interview we're sitting at a coffee shop and there's a camera there but we don't know yeah but thank you so much thanks so much thank you take care pleasure having you hi dude I'm you how are you good to see you sir

1:57:29real change happened at least in my eyes and I'm going to talk about purely audience point of view as a fan. After Ashram, things just changed. Me with all my friends. We started to see each other in a different lens and it was like, this is you. I don't think, I don't know that anyone can see that. Like that was. And it's more surprising and amazing because you've never seen it in the light. I don't see you as a negative person. Now I do.

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