Dr Joe Dispenza: Rewire Your Brain, Heal Your Mind, Fear, Anxiety & Money | FO475 Raj Shamani

26:50Raj Shamani:They've created healing groups now. We have a new program called Excalibur, which is a kind of elite program where they have to, you know, apply and then be accepted. And then they have to fill out applications and interviews and they have to submit videos. And once they're accepted, then we're going to, you know, we're going to fund them into, you know, universities and raise money for scholarships and mentor them with different companies and organizations so i'm the youth are our future so very involved in that yeah

27:22Dr Joe Dispenza:but do you think somebody who doesn't feel that deeply or is getting emotionally numb desensitized desensitized does that affect their ability to create a better future

27:35Raj Shamani:or a good future i think emotions can either keep us anchored to the past when you know we're you know when we're memorized by those emotions. But also emotions are actually what drive us. It's the energy to create a new future, right? And if you're lazy or lethargic or uninspired or you've lost initiative or you have a desire for sameness or you're not creative in any way because the only way that we actually really believe in a future is when we feel the emotion of that future. It's really hard to believe in a future when you're feeling the emotion of the past. In fact, many people will continuously tell the story of their past when they're feeling the emotions of the past.

28:23Raj Shamani:So that's what we do in our events. Well, they're seven day retreats and the first couple days are very uncomfortable. I tell the audience, you're going to come right up against yourself and you're going to sit and you can't grab your cell phone and you can't open your eyes and you're going to have to face off with yourself and we give them something to do, right? By the second day, normally, maybe the third day in some groups, there's this huge transformation that starts taking place. There's a curiosity. We have language specialists that come and study the language of transformation. And they're really intelligent professors and researchers.

29:05Raj Shamani:Many people come to our events and they have a curiosity, right? That's kind of an easy way to say it. And then we start the event and then they're challenged. And nobody changes unless they're challenged, period. And I've been doing this a long time. And I can tell you that's a fact. If you give somebody something to do when they're challenged, like when you're challenged, don't do what you typically do. We're going to give you what a formula we've discovered based on more than 10 years of research. If you just do this and stop doing that, if you can get through this there'll be a breakthrough and you'll start to feel again and when you start to feel again the common language that people use after the challenge is connection they feel like they connected to themselves they connected to love they connected to their future they connect on some level then after the connection the language is transformation like i am not the same person like that guy that guy was struggling i am not him any longer and there's a sense of temporality, right?

30:10Raj Shamani:There's a sense of temporality where a person says, this happened hundreds of times. No, no, no. The disease that I had, whatever the terminal disease was, a chronic disease was, belongs to that personality. I'm literally somebody else. I'm somebody else. I don't, I'm not that person anymore. And literally their biology changes, right? So the apathy that's created because we're desensitized, where there is no meaning, where you don't really feel like it's going to matter, that existential kind of crisis. It's not a bad thing to feel that, right? I think all of us at this point in history, like, I mean, if you look at the world today, it's really hard to be inspired because there's such, you know, chaos.

30:56And yet I think community is that solution.

31:00Raj Shamani:So a person then who joins a community of people where they say, I need answers. i need answers not philosophical not theoretical not spiritual i need answers of like what i can do in my life that's practical because i don't want to feel this way any longer and the pharmaceuticals or the diet or the treatments or whatever is not changing me in any way this is the moment of reckoning for many people because this is when they realize that nothing is making this feeling go away and no one's coming for them. Nobody's coming for them. And they're like, I got to choose myself. Like I have to choose myself.

31:39Raj Shamani:When a person comes to that point and there's that sense of open-mindedness or open-heartedness or curiosity, it leads them to a place where I think is really healthy. And the contrast for the lack of feeling causes us, for many of us to want to feel. And so many people say, well, I can't really open my heart. Well, what emotions do you feel every day? Let's look at that. Well, you spend the majority of your time feeling this emotion. Is that loving to you? No, I don't want to feel that way. Well, let's not use a drug. Let's not use a computer game. Let's not use your phone or social media. Let's see if you can change that emotion on your own.

32:22Raj Shamani:And when a person finally frees themselves from the chains of the past, the body is literally liberated. And the side effect of them overcoming that emotion that many are addicted to is joy. It's the body liberated from being tormented by the same emotion that's keeping the person in the past. And some people just have to reach their lowest denominator, that point where they're at their lowest level, where they just can't go on any longer, and they make up their mind to change. because when they're feeling that low or no longer like themselves, they can actually observe themselves for the first time.

33:02Raj Shamani:They can see how they've been thinking. They can objectify their objective self. And it takes energy and it takes awareness to disentangle from those programs. The beauty behind the research that we've been doing is that we now know that it's entirely possible. And then we have people that have had horrible pasts, brutal pasts, traumatic pasts, abuse of all kinds, traumas. And some have done really horrible things and seen, witnessed some really horrible things. You know, 30 hours a week of panic attacks, trying every drug, every pharmaceutical, every therapy, exercising, you know, cold plunges, saunas, diets, nothing was making their trauma go away until they finally sat down and said, I got to look at myself.

33:58Raj Shamani:And when people really are willing to see what's beyond this emotion, what's beyond this belief, what's beyond this behavior, I'm going to sit and I'm going to work on overcoming myself. It is the overcoming process that we discovered that is the becoming process. And when people reach the middle of their life, 35, 40 years old, 95 % of who they are by that age is a set of memorized subconscious programs. So the only way you're going to become conscious of your unconscious self is to catch yourself going unconscious. And every time you catch yourself going unconscious and you become conscious, that you get more conscious and get better at catching yourself from going unconscious.

34:46Raj Shamani:So we discovered that in the brain changes the most when you reach that point where you don't want to go any further and you just don't think you can. And when you go a little further, that's when the brain changes the most because you're leaving the familiar territory, you're leaving the known and you're stepping into the unknown. So I can't, I can't, um, I don't want to, I don't want to support the idea that people who have lost their ambition to feel will never feel again. They'll just have to reach a point where they'll have to finally realize, is this serving me? And if it's not, I have to look for solutions.

35:29Dr Joe Dispenza:Before we create a new reality or before we actually change ourselves, we have to think about future, right? That's what you're trying to say. You have to create a new perception or imagination in your head. But what do you think? about people who are losing their ability to imagine there's almost i was reading a study that there's some sort of imagination collapse which is happening because as you grow older your ability to imagine and create vivid images in your head keep declining so you must have dealt with so many people in your retreats who probably must have forgotten how to imagine a better future or think about anything because they're so caught up with their work, jobs, family drama, toxicity all around them.

36:17Dr Joe Dispenza:So their imagination muscle must have either just gone or gotten weakened. Can you retrain yourself to think and imagine a future when you have never imagined or thought about it?

36:29Raj Shamani:Yeah. The answer is yes. And I think there's, well, I'll just give two reasons. There's many reasons, but I'll give two reasons. Let's talk about the most obvious, right? I mean, everybody has a lot going on in their life, right? And your brain is a record of the past. It's an artifact of everything you've learned and experienced to this moment. It is the repository of the autobiographical self. You're Raj because you come from a certain country. You have a certain family. You've studied certain things. You know certain people. You live in certain places. You own certain things at certain times.

37:04Raj Shamani:And when you meet people, you tell them who you are based on your experience in life. So then you have a neurological network for your mother, a neurological network for your father, a neurological network for your siblings, for your cell phone, for your home, because you've experienced all these elements in your life, right? And because you've experienced all those elements in your life, you have an emotion that's associated with every one of those people or objects or things or places, right? And so when a person is out of balance or they're stressed, the stress is when your body and brain are out of balance or homeostasis.

37:44Raj Shamani:And the alarm system or the emergency system switches on and your brain goes into a heightened kind of aroused state. Stress is created by not being able to predict something, not being able to control something, or having the perception in your life that something's going to get worse. and when that kind of alarm system switches on it's a survival system and what you try to do then is you try to control and predict everything in your life so the arousal causes you to shift your attention from one person to another person to another meeting to another thing to another place to another time and because you have a neurological network assigned to all of those elements like a lightning storm in the clouds your brain begins to compartmentalize begins to silo and it begins to fire out of order.

38:35Raj Shamani:If you were to measure the brain when it does that, it's very incoherent. And when the brain is incoherent, we're incoherent. And the side effect of that is that we begin to become fragmented. We can't control our mind. And we're, as you said earlier, we kind of get very narrow focused. We begin to overthink and overanalyze. And that's exactly what drives the brain further and further out of balance. So what we discovered after years of study, this kind of narrow convergent focus that many people are living by, they can't imagine their future when you're living in survival. Why would you? It's not a time to create when Tyrannosaurus Rex is chasing you.

39:20Raj Shamani:That primitive system is switched on and all your attention is on yourself, right? You become very self-involved because in survival, you got to stay alive and you got to put your attention on your body. all of the elements in your environment, and you're very obsessed about time. Turns out that if you do the exact opposite, and this is what our research shows, if you broaden your focus and you begin to focus on space, on nothing, the act of sensing space and no longer thinking and sensing and feeling space causes those different compartments that were firing incoherently out of order, they begin to synchronize.

40:00Raj Shamani:Those modules begin to form and connect with one another. And larger real estates, a part of the brain begins to begin to fire more coherently. Brain begins to synchronize. And what sinks in the brain links in the brain. And we have fMRI studies on this. We have a lot of quantitative EEG studies on this. It doesn't matter how old you are, how young you are, what your gender, what you eat, where you're from, your socioeconomic status. None of those elements matter. That when you do this properly, the brain begins to function more coherently and more organized. And when that happens, the brain gets highly creative.

40:44Raj Shamani:You're processing a different level of consciousness, a more holistic level of consciousness. So that's called intention. The person all of a sudden can begin to imagine a future because they've moved from that survival state into a more creative state. At the same time, when they do that, you kind of see this psychic union going on between these two hemispheres. And modulation goes down, which means the brain's firing more holistically. The compartments are no longer divided. They're more unified. when that occurs, the person's starting to feel more like themselves. Like, oh my God, I forgot.

41:22Raj Shamani:Like this feels really great. At the same time, we see this kind of cooperation with the heart. Like the heart all of a sudden begins to bloom. It starts to become very coherent as well. Because when we're living in stress and we're living in survival, and a person's distracted and they have kids and obligations and meetings and they're fragmented like that, the arousal of those stress hormones, the person's not running, you know, exerting themselves, running. They're not fighting and they're not, you know, fleeing and hiding. This adrenaline, it's causing the person to step on the gas and step on the brake at the same time.

42:01Raj Shamani:And the heart is beating against the closed system, right? So the heart starts to beat out of order. And when it becomes incoherent, incoherent waves cancel each other out and energy leaves the heart and you stop trusting, you stop connecting, you stop communicating, you stop being creative, the heart is the creative center. So when the brain gets highly organized and synchronized, you see this kind of energy move right into the heart. And the heart is the creative center. At the same time, it resets the baseline for the trauma. We've seen beautiful brain scans on this. The heart begins to beat like a great drum, very coherently, very orderly.

42:42Raj Shamani:And it tells the brain to get creative. And all of a sudden, like grabbing a big sheet and going like this, it sends a wave of energy right to the brain and the brain moves into alpha. Now, alpha is the imaginary state. Alpha is when you imagine, it's when you dream, it's when you create. You no longer hear the critic in your mind that's talking to you, Raj, you should think about this, about this. What if this happens or what that happens? That's the analytical mind. That's the critic in the brain, that's beta brainwaves, right? Going to stress, you go into very high beta. Now you're over aroused, right?

43:16Raj Shamani:Now you're overly alert, right? That's not a good brain state to create in. In fact, you're going to force, you're going to control, you're going to fight, you're going to compete. That's what you do in that state. When the heart informs the brain to become creative and the moment it moves into alpha, the critic shuts off and all of a sudden your brain starts to see in pictures, starts to see in images. It's in a flow state. It's imagining and creating, right? And there's this kind of synchronization. It's so beautiful. There's this kind of synchronization that goes on between the heart and the brain.

43:53Raj Shamani:All of a sudden, there's this kind of connection where the heart and the brain start working together. And we discovered that the more a person can relax into their heart, we can train people to do this. The more they relax into their heart, the more energy goes to their brain. And you start seeing the brain moving into a really, really elegant state. You start seeing the baseline of the brain, sometimes theta, which is deep sleep. The person's not sleeping, but there's a deep resonance to the brain where theta is starting producing, delta is starting producing theta waves, right? So there's waves on waves on waves in the brain.

44:35Raj Shamani:And when that occurs, the person is feeling really good, right? So relaxed in the heart and awake in the brain. And we discovered that people do this with training really well. It's not difficult for them to imagine that future. They're in the perfect state to imagine. The challenge is overcoming their survival tendencies and getting their brain integrated, getting their heart integrated, and getting the two systems working together. So we've seen this over and over again. Like, feta tends to be the place where you're very, very suggestible to information. And that's when the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open.

45:19Raj Shamani:Now, remember, 5 % of your mind is your conscious mind. 95 % is what we program subconsciously. What separates the two is the analytical mind. So as you begin to slow your brainwaves down, you get beyond your analytical mind, you open the door. And now you can reprogram because you're in the operating system. Now you're in there. Theta is when that veil is completely gone. That's a hypnotic state. So then you can then rehearse a new way of being. You could rehearse a new life. You can decide what emotions you want to feel. The door is wide open. You can begin to reprogram yourself subconsciously.

45:57Raj Shamani:And when people sustain these states, coherence is, you know, when waves are kind of orderly. If waves stay orderly and they begin to interfere with each other, they start building bigger waves. So a person that's really, really practiced at this, their body will be in a light sleep. They'll be in a liminal state, a non-sleep, deep rest state where the body feels so safe that it could actually rest in that moment. And when they rest into their heart like that, some people have their baseline of theta. And then theta starts carrying alpha. Then alpha starts carrying beta. Then beta starts carrying high beta.

46:38Raj Shamani:And then high beta starts carrying gamma. And when the person's in gamma, they're super conscious. They're no longer a program. And there's waves upon waves. It's called resonance in the brain. And that's when we start seeing networks recruiting and start organizing. And that's when they're recruiting a lot more brain power.

46:56Dr Joe Dispenza:How long do you think it is possible for somebody in our generation who is constantly driven out of algorithm and not out of imagination to go from just feeling 20 things at the same time because of the feed that they have curated, to go from that point to a state of nothing and then to a state of actually imagining and creating a future that you're talking about? How long does it take?

47:23Raj Shamani:If you come to an event, two days. Really? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, pretty sure.

47:28Dr Joe Dispenza:Doesn't it get really uncomfortable to sit with nothing and think nothing because you've never done it. Like most people have never done it.

47:36Raj Shamani:Yeah, I think that one of the things that I think we accomplish really well is that we never, ever, ever give a person a meditation to do without a lot of teaching. I think knowledge and information is the forerunner to an experience. And so then every time you learn something new, you're making new connections in your brain, right? Learning is forging new synaptic connections. And the Nobel Prize researcher, Kandel, in the year 2000 found that people just focus on one bit of information for an hour. One concept or one idea. They'll double the number of connections in their brain as a result of their interaction with the environment.

48:21Raj Shamani:But here's the catch. If you don't review it, if you don't think about it, and you don't repeat it, those circuits will prune apart within hours or days. so if learning is making new synaptic connections then remembering is maintaining and sustaining those connections okay so what does that mean that we give people a lot of information i believe that science is the contemporary language of mysticism i think science is what demystifies the mystical so then before we ever tell a person to focus on nothing they'll they'll give up in a short amount of time. But if we explain, we combine quantum physics with neuroscience and neuroendocrinology and psychoneuroimmunology, the mind-body connection, epigenetics, Newtonian physics, electromagnetism made really easily, right?

49:10Raj Shamani:And they understand the information and then they have to teach that information to the person next to them. They have to teach it back to someone. They have to remind themselves of what they learned. And if they can remind themselves what they learned, nerve cells that fire together, wire together, right? And if nothing has left the conjecture, the superstition to dogma, and the person understands exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it, the how gets easier. When the how gets easier, because they understand the what and the why, they assign meaning to the task. And when they assign meaning to the task, they switch on their prefrontal cortex, you know, the boss of the brain.

49:50Raj Shamani:And the boss of the brain wants an outcome. I'm doing this intentionally because I want an outcome. I'm doing this with intention. I'm doing this meditation to make my brain more coherent when I do these following things. So now the person's less likely to doubt or disbelieve when they understand the what and the why. If they can't explain it to the person next to them, it's not wired in their brain. So we've done, we do extensive teachings where people have to engage in the information and then teach it back to somebody before we get into the meditations. They have to build a model of understanding.

50:24Raj Shamani:It's so much easier to forget this information than to remember, right? So you got to wire it in your brain. But experience then is the great professor. If I can set up the conditions in the environment and I can give them the right instructions, if they can get their behaviors to match their intentions, if I can get their actions equal to their thoughts, if I can get their mind and body working together, they're going to have a new experience. Now experience enriches those philosophical circuits in the brain, but the end product of the experience, as we've been saying, is an emotion. But not fear, not unworthiness, not pain.

50:57Raj Shamani:The experience that they're doing causes them to feel gratitude or unlimited or appreciation or love. And the moment they feel the emotion from the experience, they're teaching their body chemically to understand what their mind is intellectually understood. So knowledge is for the mind and experience is for the body. In other words, the information is no longer just in the brain. The information is now in the body. They're embodying the truth of that philosophy, that theory. And now they understand it, right? And the chemical that's created from that emotion, that elevated emotion, is actually selecting and instructing new genes.

51:34Raj Shamani:It's new information for our biology. That's what we discovered. If you've done it once, what does it mean? You should be able to do it again. If you can repeat the experience over and over again, neurologically and chemically, you'll neurochemically condition your mind and body to organize and work together as one. And when you've done something so many times that the body now knows how to do it better than the conscious mind, now it's innate in you. It's automatic. You've mastered that philosophy. You've become that knowledge, right? It's a new state of being. And so the first couple days is important because there's a lot of information.

52:09Raj Shamani:Like we just don't say focus on nothing. We explain what that void or that vacuum is. We give it a quantum understanding. We talk about how our senses plug us into reality. And there's more information in the in material than there'll ever be in the material. And we, you know, we design it in a way that's very engaging so that the average person, and by the way, we have eight-year-old children, 10-year-old. We did a 10-day event in Cancun just the last week. for advanced students. And we had a 13-year-old little girl from Italy that went through the whole entire thing, did every meditation. She was spot on.

52:50Raj Shamani:Who's that? Who's she going to be, you know, in 10 years from now? So we want to give people enough tools so that when they go back into their life, they know exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it.

53:07Dr Joe Dispenza:Before I ask you my next question, I want my audience to just revise this one sort of concept, which is alpha, beta, gamma, theta, delta. Explain me in one line in simple words. What is alpha? What is beta? What is gamma? What is delta? What is theta? These are five?

53:26Raj Shamani:Yeah, that's fine. So you and I are talking right now, right? And we're conscious and awake. And your brain is trying to create meaning between what's going on out here and what's going on inside you, right? And because your senses plug you into your environment, you've got to integrate everything you're seeing and hearing and smelling and tasting and feeling, right? And when the brain is integrating all this information, it goes into a brainwave state called beta brainwaves. So when you're conscious and most of your attention is pretty much on your outer environment, you're in beta. If I said to you, Raj, I forgot to tell you there's going to be a quiz that you have to take at the end of this podcast.

54:05Raj Shamani:you would kind of perk up a little bit more and you kind of lean in you know you would move into a little bit higher beta brainwave state then when you're really stressed and you're angry or you're fearful or you're frustrated or you're resentful or judgmental you're in that high beta brainwave state that's three times higher than resting beta right that's the alarm system in the brain some people get stuck there and they need something to do or take to take to bring their brainwaves down. So as you begin to slow your brainwaves down and more of your tension kind of goes on your inner environment, you begin to slow your breath down.

54:41Raj Shamani:We discover that slowing your breathing down slows your brainwaves down. You start to relax and you start taking more attention off your outer environment and you close your eyes. Your inner world starts becoming more real than your outer world and the brainwaves are a little bit slower, right? And that's alpha. and you do this when you drive your car. If you're driving on the freeway for a couple hours and you're just kind of glancing straight ahead, your brain typically kind of pauses for a minute and you start seeing images and pictures. You're naturally going to alpha. So it's an easy state to get into and many people can get into alpha pretty naturally and that is the creative state, imaginary state.

55:23Raj Shamani:Theta is when your body is asleep and resting and you're conscious and awake. You're conscious in your subconscious mind, and there's no filter. There's no analytical mind. It's going straight in there, and you can literally drop a program or a new idea into the subconscious mind. Theta is that hypnotic state. Delta is when your body is in a deep resting state of sleep. It's kind of catatonic, and it's restoring and repairing. Now, we used to think that that was the only thing that theta was, but we have some really, really advanced students that actually can have a baseline theta where their body looks like it's asleep and they're awake.

56:03Raj Shamani:And they have delta, theta, alpha, beta, high beta, and then gamma. Think about gamma as super consciousness or super awareness. You're very alert, very clear. You're not in a program. You're relaxed and awake instead of stressed out, unconscious, and in a program. So gamma is that kind of elevated state of super consciousness.

56:28Dr Joe Dispenza:How long does it take for somebody to go from beta to gamma?

56:32Raj Shamani:That's a great question. They have to drop down into theta, most people. They have to drop down into theta and really get into that super relaxed and awake state. And then once they're in that theta state, that's when they climb up to gamma. And some people, we have people in our community that can drop into into that state in four seconds five seconds 13 seconds you know a minute they they've just practiced it enough times they know how to do it and just like anything else if you

57:01Dr Joe Dispenza:practice you get good at it how long do you think if somebody has never done meditation how long does it take them from going to their current state to this like is it yours is it no no okay so first of all you know that's a great question and i want to answer this

57:16Raj Shamani:really really objectively many times a person's mother will bring them or their spouse will bring them and the person's never meditated before and they're just like i don't know about this when we test those people's brains sometimes they they have the best brain scans because they have no uh preconception of what to do like a lot of men that come with their wives they're like Thank you. I don't know anything about, tell me what to do, I'm going to do exactly what you tell me to do. They do exactly what we tell them to do and they have really profound experiences. So whether you're an advanced meditator or not, if you follow the instructions, many people will drop in pretty easily and pretty naturally.

58:08Raj Shamani:In fact, our data shows, this is what our data says. Our data says that novice meditators, right? People who have never meditated before, they come to our events, they're kind of curious, but they're not sure. Novice meditators who really don't have never meditated before. And that's the majority of our, it's usually 75 to 80 % of our week-long retreat people. At the end of seven days, they look like advanced meditators. not only in their brain, but in their biology. In other words, at the end of seven days, they're producing thousands of metabolites in their blood and gene expression proteins that suggest that they're living in a whole new environment and they're in a ballroom.

58:55Raj Shamani:In other words, they're epigenetically changing without relying on anything outside of them. And that's 80 % of the people that are novice meditators at the end of seven days look like they're living in a whole new life and they're in a ballroom and they're manufacturing all kinds of chemicals that are pro-life pro-growth pro-restoration crazy i'm not saying that that's what the data is saying

59:21Dr Joe Dispenza:you know because here's last night i was we were talking the deep we were talking to the team and we all were discussing while we were searching for you that we were just seeing like after listening to you for so many times i am one of those i'm like yes meditation is a thing

59:40Raj Shamani:but i've never explored it and i'm i'm not there yet like i don't maybe yeah well not for me yeah you know let me just let me say one thing about that um just to clarify it um we don't do any traditional meditation you know i noticed that in my own personal teaching experience on my journey the moment you talk tradition or religion or culture you're going to divide an audience yeah right they're going to someone's going to shut off you have to use science right that's the language that we use and so um what we what i discovered uh in in my own personal journey is that if you give people the right information and you make learning fun and you make it easy, our meditations don't follow any of the tradition.

1:00:28Raj Shamani:I'm looking at brain scans. I know the words. I know the music. I know the timing. I know we have studied this so well. I know what works and what doesn't work. There's no tradition to our meditation at all. We do all kinds of meditations in a seven-day retreat. You're not just sitting there focusing on your breathing. We're way past that point. We use meditation to change, to go from the old self to the new self. We use meditation to get beyond your body, your environment, and time. We use meditation to connect to that invisible field of information, the quantum field that exists beyond the senses that people really can begin to interact with.

1:01:10Raj Shamani:And we use meditation to get beyond the analytical mind to reprogram ourselves. So you're not going to hear that, you know, our scientists that come from all over the country, they just, they, they walk in there thinking that everybody's going to be wearing white and there's going to be, you know, lavender and mist. And it's not how our events are. They're very engaging and they're very contemporary and they're fun or like a, like a, like a rave, They're very active. I want to make it really reachable for every person. I don't want it to be where it's so exclusive that you have to work really hard.

1:01:48Raj Shamani:Now, I'm not saying that you're not going to have to face off with yourself for sure, but I'm pretty confident after 64 week-long retreats that the majority of those people, As I said, our data is pretty much over 80 % of the population has some type of change. So we don't do meditation in the traditional sense. I'm using language based on our language specialists. I can tell you that at the end of seven days, a person's language is different. Their voice tone is different. Their face is different. Their microbiome is different without changing their diet. Drastically different. Their brain is different.

1:02:29Raj Shamani:Their heart is different. Their blood is dramatically different. Their microbiome, I said, their gene expression is different. Their breath is different. Their breast milk is different. Everything changes when a person changes. All of this, okay, if I do this, will I have proof for all of this? Yeah, pretty much, yeah. I mean, I think, you know, one of the things that I'm super happy with is that the research that we've done, We just published a great paper. The research that we've done really points the finger at the fact that you can change. And you can do it in seven days. And that's super exciting.

1:03:07Dr Joe Dispenza:We talk about that research, but I want to talk about a bad habit that I have. Okay? It's almost like a good habit and a bad habit. Because I have a problem in my life where I see my friends and family members who are stuck. I get uncomfortable when I hear my loved ones are stuck somewhere. Maybe it's because of money. It's because of some emotional pattern. Maybe it's because of bad relationship. I don't know. Wherever they are. I want them to like quit and just start something new and just move on from that. Sometimes it is great because people have taken my advice and help to move over. And sometimes it's bad because before even trying to fix it, I'm like, just get away from this feeling of stuckness, right?

1:03:51Dr Joe Dispenza:Right. But what I've noticed, a lot of times people don't want to get out of it. Is it possible that you can help someone transform where they don't want to transform?

1:04:05Raj Shamani:Probably not. I mean, I think one of the most impossible things in the universe is a closed mind. I mean, you know, you have to honor free will. And I think that comes with I think that just comes with experience or with maybe just age. I don't know. You realize that when the person's ready to change, they'll change. In fact, I never offer advice to people in my life unless I'm asked. That's just really a healthy way to do it. I'll love them. I'll be inspiring. I'll be my best for them. But I won't offer advice unless I'm asked. Is there a pattern that they love to be stuck or they just don't want to get out of it?

1:04:46Raj Shamani:I don't think that's it. I think, well, yeah, I think there's two reasons and they're kind of related. The hardest part about change is not making the same choice as you did the day before. And to unstick yourself means you have to move from the known to the unknown. And when you step into the unknown, it's unpredictable. There's a lot of uncertainty. Things aren't familiar. You're not in the past any longer. And many people would rather cling to their suffering or their challenging life than to take a chance and possibility. Because they don't know what that would bring for them. So they stay there because the unknown is a scary place for them.

1:05:35Raj Shamani:It turns out the unknown is the perfect place to create from. It is the place that we actually can create something new from. We can't create anything new from the known. So then the second reason really is just those very strong addictive emotions. Like the person may be using, let's say they're addicted to fear, right? And they may be using a person or a situation in their life to reaffirm their addiction to that emotion, right? And in time, they become addicted to a life that they don't even like. And that's why change is so hard. Because with any addiction, you overdose. There's bad trips.

1:06:19Raj Shamani:Yeah, there's rehab. And when you're overcoming some type of an addiction, the body is really craving something. right and so uh many people uh it can't move past the addiction to that emotion until it gets really bad and then for many people it's got for human nature is it's got to get so bad where it's intolerable where they finally say i have to make another choice you say that one of the hardest

1:06:48Dr Joe Dispenza:things to do is breaking the habit of being yourself but in society like ours in indian society asian society right you your identity is not only who you are your identity is a lot decided by where you're born the community you are in the society or in the family or in the religion you're born in and you don't have absolute freedom to create your new self you there is certain expectations from you there is certain level of legacy of sorts there is certain level of rules and regulations of a particular religion or a place or community right there there's so many things that decide your identity in some places your identity decided even before you're born how do you break free of this this whole identity which is expected out of you how do you break and become free of something you didn't even choose every every charismatic leader in history was

1:07:53Raj Shamani:uncompromising good or bad they were just they led because they weren't going to be defined by any of those things to change is to be greater than your environment that's what it really means that no person no circumstance no condition would get in the way of your dream that doesn't mean You have to be mean-spirited or arrogant or abusive. It's just that you have to give yourself the freedom to trust yourself to live the life that you want. And for me, that's really a high value. It's really a super high value because if we allow our culture or our family or our friends or even our loved ones to decide or control how we're going to live our life consciously or unconsciously.

1:08:42Raj Shamani:We'll never know freedom, especially if we're living for someone else's happiness, right? So I think, you know, at 29, this is a good question because, you know, you struggle with, oh my God, I'm breaking free from my family. I want to go out on my own. I want to do these things. My parents may not understand me. my parents just thought I was just, you know, way out there, but they always kind of supported me, right? And I wanted to deliver because I wasn't doing it for any other reason, but to investigate what is, you know, what is the meaning of life? So I think that it's healthy to ask this question right now because you are at this age.

1:09:25Raj Shamani:But I think, you know, if you're sincere and you're you're kind and you're loving and you make the choice for yourself, you'll always be respected for that. If you make a choice for another person and you don't fulfill what you really feel in your heart or what brings you the greatest joy, you'll either resent the people that you love or resent yourself or, you know, shrink into mediocrity or reach a point where you're just going to finally make up your mind to do it. So if it's something that burns in your soul and is something that you really want to follow, I think it's, I, you know, I tell my children this all the time, go like, just learn from your mistakes, you know, dust yourself off.

1:10:08Raj Shamani:If it doesn't work out, ask yourself if, if, if I'm facing this situation again, how would I do it differently? What did I learn from it? Yeah. And continue on your journey. There's no right or wrong path for for a young person to ask this question means that you're up against it on some level and it really you your real question is you want to have a fulfilling life right and that fulfilling life is your journey and and it there there are dark nights of the soul in evolution where you realize that nobody gets you yeah because they're not you and you know you can't go back right you can't go that way any longer because it just doesn't feel right and you got to go this way and and and you can't ask anybody their opinion because they're not you right and this is a moment of reckoning where you just gotta you gotta make that choice for yourself so um it is a challenge to live to live authentically uh but but there's nothing wrong with having an identity or personality we all do but when it comes time to create you got to be able to lay that character down you got to be able to drop raj and become pure consciousness you got to lay down the identity or the character.

1:11:21Raj Shamani:And that's exactly what we call getting beyond yourself. Turns out when you come back, when you get beyond yourself, the side effect is that you're more kind, you're more caring, you're more loving, you're more present, you're more free. You don't really care like what people think any longer. And you're more tolerant, more patient. It's the side effect of overcoming yourself.

1:11:47Dr Joe Dispenza:does that mean that you cut off people who are trying to pull you back because sometimes you don't want to cut them and you love your people but they are causing an environment which is toxic and pulling you back to the darkness so you want to break free but if you break free there's a sort of guilt that am i doing the right thing or wrong thing yeah i mean look you cut off or no like what

1:12:12Raj Shamani:do you do then i think there's only two options if you can if you can behave differently around those people or let me say it another way um if you can be less reactionary or less unconscious and that may take you really thinking about you know i mean parents and family are the biggest challenge right because they're so close to us right and they can push buttons automatically right? So if you can behave differently or not react or stay conscious around those people, then by all means do it. But also there may be a period of time where you may have to separate yourself from certain people and certain things at certain times because they remind you too much of your pet, you're the self that you no longer want to be, right?

1:13:03Raj Shamani:And I've done that in my life where I've just been like, I need a break. If they love me, they'll get it, right? And that's when you just kind of work on you. And then when you're really happy with you, and this is, again, what our data shows, when you're really happy with you, you're happy with everybody. Like, there's nobody that, and your oxytocin levels, but we have this research, right? And when your oxytocin levels go up, it's impossible to hold a grudge. You'd rather feel this way than any other way, right? So there's no right or wrong answer. But I do think if you're truly in the river of change, if you're truly wanting to change, sometimes you have to like avoid certain experiences with certain people at certain times at certain places, because you could fall back very easily back into the same state.

1:13:51Raj Shamani:And when you finally make that transformation and change, you'll know because when you show up and you're around them, there's no longer a charge or no longer a button that that's how you know you changed yeah what do you think why people fail

1:14:04Dr Joe Dispenza:there are so many people who do the right thing you you have dealt with thousands of people they're doing everything right but they're still not able to change and create a new reality they're not able to build a better life what are specifically if you can give me what are like top two or three things that people do wrong which is why they're not able to change at all

1:14:26Raj Shamani:Many people will say, oh my God, I'm doing the work. I'm dedicating 45 minutes a day to my meditations. I haven't seen much change in my life. I'm happier. I feel better, but I'm not seeing the changes I want in my life. It doesn't mean that the principles don't work for that person. that means that there's some blind spot, some place where they're not seeing themselves that they need to look. I mean, this is the tough part, right? And there's so many variables, Raj, because some people will get in the routine of doing the same meditation every day. And it's become such a routine that they have no meaning.

1:15:15Raj Shamani:They don't understand the what and the why any longer. And it's just another thing they're doing to do the right thing or to please God or to be more perfect or whatever. None of that matters, right? And then other people have a great 45-minute meditation. And then they get up and they spend the next 16 hours of their day stressed out, unconscious, and living in a program. Okay, so what was the purpose of meditation? the purpose of meditation is to be more mindful in your life you practice that so that when you're in your life you don't go unconscious that's why you do it right so the person may have one hour 45 minute great meditation it's happened to all of us and then they spend the rest of their day living in the hormones of stress or living in fear or living out of balance and you got to do the math, like one hour, 45 minutes against this amount of time.

1:16:09Raj Shamani:You got to get really good at doing it with your eyes open. And many people that heal from health conditions in our work, it's really interesting because that's exactly what happens. They'll say, hey, I started doing the work. I'm sleeping better. I have less pain. I have more energy. I feel happier. I feel better. but my scans and my blood tests really haven't changed much. They don't go, oh my God, it's not going to work for me. What they say is, okay, what am I doing here? What am I missing? Oh my God, every time I do my meditation, I feel great, but then I see my ex or I see my co-worker or I see my mother-in-law or I see my father or my brother or whatever and I react.

1:17:01Raj Shamani:if I'm reacting and feeling the same emotion I just defaulted I return back to my old self and it's seamless because the moment you feel that emotion when you react you behave as if you're in your past and you believe in your past and it's so seamless that we can go unconscious in a matter of seconds so the person then says I want life I want health I want healing more than my resentment or anger towards my coworker. What would greatness look like? What would love do? That means I got to be more kind and more compassionate. I don't know if I want to. Well, if it means my life, I'm going to try it out.

1:17:42Raj Shamani:So then they close their eyes and they start to rehearse. When I see my coworker, I'm going to remind myself what I'm not going to do. I'm going to remind myself what I am going to do. And as they rehearse the act in their mind over and over again, as I said earlier, they're starting to install some circuitry. They're priming their brain. If they keep doing it enough times, enough times, enough times, enough times, it's going to become more automatic, right? It's going to become more like a software program. So, then they get in the presence of their coworker, they get in the presence of their ex or their mother-in-law or whoever, and they get their behaviors to match their intentions.

1:18:19Raj Shamani:And when they do, they create a new experience. A new experience produces a different emotion. And they're like, oh my God, I felt compassion and love for that person. And I don't know what happened. It all shifted for me. Now, that's good medicine right there. That's real medicine right there. So the person then goes, oh my God, now I've mastered that emotion and I've mastered my creation, right? So they're getting really good at evolving themselves. So certain people may not want to light a match in a dark place and say, no, you know what? I'm never going to forgive that person. I'm never going to, you know, I'm never going to stop hating that person.

1:19:03Raj Shamani:well is the hate that you're feeling is like is like drinking poison and hoping the other person's going to have an effect right the only person that that is affecting is you justified or not the hormones of stress down regulate genes and create disease so the person has to say oh my god like i gotta change i gotta forgive and by the way if you if you practice being in your heart, it's not hard to forgive. I mean, when you're feeling that feeling, it's very easy to forgive. It's not like you're really trying to forgive the person. You're feeling so good. You're like, you're good. I'm good. Let's go.

1:19:40Raj Shamani:Like, I'm free. That's what the side effect of the work is when the person's really looking. So, I think sometimes it's a person defaults automatically and they go unconscious. We all do it. I think that sometimes people, they forget why they're doing it or what they're doing is become another routine. They don't really, they haven't really thought it through and really said, okay, I'm doing this for this intention. I think people sometimes give up on themselves and that becomes a habit. They don't really get into it. They really don't really invest themselves like, cause they don't believe that they, on a deep level, that they can change.

1:20:21Raj Shamani:So there's a lot of factors. Some people would only do a short little meditation and think their life is going to like blow up and, you know, they're going to be abundant tomorrow. It's unrealistic, right? If a person wants to be, let's just pick healthy or abundant, right? And this is their dream of being healthy or abundant. And this is the personality who's in lack or feeling unhealthy or is unhealthy. You got to agree with me in order for this person, this person to arrive here, they got to make a lot of different choices and do a lot of different things and create a whole lot of new experiences to finally when they become this person, they're going to change along the way, right?

1:21:03Raj Shamani:So some people really may not be honest with themselves to see if they're really changing, right? You know when you're really changing because you stop talking about it right that's when you know you're getting close but 99 of the people they don't change that's true a lot of people a lot of people you know default automatically back to the to the same personality um but if you give them if you give them the information uh and uh they understand that really well and they're practicing that's what i think i'm the most proud of when it comes to our community i think i'm the most proud of our community because we're doers.

1:21:41Raj Shamani:Like there's too many stories of transformation that we have now where the person has changed their life in dramatic ways. I hear it all the time. And they prove to themselves that they're the creator of their life. That's what I want for them. So if you don't know how to change and you don't know what change is, then more than likely you're going to stay the same person. But if we demystify it and you understand what change is and you understand all those things that you have that are subconsciously programmed, I guarantee you that if you truly are sincere about it, you won't want to go back because you're feeling very differently.

1:22:24Raj Shamani:So I just think many people just don't know. They may know what they want to change or why they want to change. They just don't know how to change.

1:22:32Dr Joe Dispenza:So explain to me differences, okay? According to science, like what's going on. So I'm going to give you like two or three situation thoughts, like just simple things, like what's happening. Let's say there's somebody who is 99 % of the world, which is normal people. They get up, they think about a deadline and they're thinking about, okay, if I don't do this and I'm going to lose this opportunity, I'm going to do this and that, and then emotionally charged about it, they're operating out of fear versus somebody who is operating out of gratefulness and be like there's an opportunity i want to do it and i'll do it because there's so much abundance and i want to create my new reality and all the things that you're teaching what happens when somebody feels like deadline deadline deadline i'm going to get finished was it somebody who feels abundance and gratefulness and great future in their body in

1:23:27Raj Shamani:their mind in their brain what is the difference yeah it's really simple it's back to that same principle the person who sees it as a deadline is perceiving reality through the lens of their past through the emotion that they're experiencing and in the person who's seeing the possibility in a state of gratitude is feeling the emotion of the event before it's happened but what's

1:23:52Dr Joe Dispenza:happening in the brain like what's happening in the body if i think and operate from past

1:23:56Raj Shamani:ah well you're so so the person who's operating from uh from the past is usually trying to predict the future based on the past and they're working pretty much off a part of the brain called the default mode network default mode network is the brain's predictor like you say okay i've had these experiences i've done these things it's never going to change because i know it's going to be just like my past and you don't do that consciously you kind of do that unconsciously because the default mode network is always try to lay down a known, try to predict the next moment. And it's just like if I tossed you a ball, the default mode network would be like your body just, you know, predicting where the ball is going to go and it just kind of grabs it.

1:24:39Raj Shamani:It's that automatic, right? So the brain is naturally trying to predict the future based on the past. The challenge with that is it consumes an enormous amount of energy in the brain, like almost all the energy in the brain takes a lot to shut that thing off our data shows that in seven days you can shut that part of the brain off and if you're not predicting the future you're in the present moment and when you're in the present moment you at you you you're way more creative you're way more poised you're way more spontaneous the brain is more integrated and what we discovered is those people that do it, and it's the majority of the people, when they open their eyes after the meditation's over, with their eyes open, that default mode network is still shut off in their brain.

1:25:29Raj Shamani:So they're still present as if they're meditating, but they're not meditating with their eyes closed. That place is when the brain really begins to reboot itself. And that's when you get creative ideas. That's when you trust yourself. That's when you're excited and you know, enthusiastic and full of energy about what you're seeing. What you're seeing makes sense to you. You know, you believe in it on some level. The default mode network is always going to try to predict it based on what it knows from the past. And you can't create anything new that way.

1:26:05Dr Joe Dispenza:You've said in your research that in your practices and in your work, that before you be sleep that time is really important and if we practice gratitude 10 minutes a day in just about four days our immunity system gets 50 percent better yeah is that it yeah so then that is one case and then a lot of people just use instagram for 10 minutes by the end of the day right what's if i grat if i practice gratitude before bed for 10 minutes versus i use my instagram for 10 minutes what's going to be the difference some people can't think for

1:26:42Raj Shamani:themselves because they're having something think for them right those images and the stimulation is causing them to really expose their brain to information that is causing them to think and feel a certain way what i'm saying is think and feel on your own right and that's the most important thing or think for yourself. So people who lose the imagination or the skill of dreaming, they're just relying on something to think for them, right? That's why nature is so great. Go out and spend three days somewhere in nature. First day, your brain will be all over the place. Second day, it'll kind of calm down.

1:27:20Raj Shamani:By the third day, you're like, I'm thinking clearly again, because if you don't have your device and you're looking at the expanse of the sky or mountains or the sea and you're opening your awareness, your brain gets very organized, right? So a person who understands that when they go to bed at night, their serotonin levels change to melatonin. And when you're in serotonin, you're in beta. When you're in melatonin, you start dropping into alpha, theta, and delta. And that's when the door opens. So what do you want to drop in there? Do you want to do something? Do you want to drop anything in there that's going to cause you to be more limited or distract you or, you know, you know, cause you to think and feel later on the next day a certain way?

1:28:04Raj Shamani:Or do you say by volition, I'm going to teach my body emotionally what my future feels like. I'm going to keep bringing up this feeling of gratitude because I know that gratitude strengthens my immune system by 50%. And if I'm having a problem with a chronic health condition or, you know, an immune mediated condition, this would be loving to me. So I'm going to go for 10 or 15 minutes just feeling gratitude or thinking about all the things I'm grateful for. And then I'm going to think about all the things I'll be grateful for when they happen. I'm just going to let myself go. I'm just going to play.

1:28:38Raj Shamani:I'm just going to let myself go. I promise you, though, a person who does that after a period of time is going to feel very differently than when they spend 10 minutes watching Instagram, right? Not that I have an opinion on it. I just know that it's very seductive. and it could cause people to become very dependent on it. That's again, like if you understand the science between slowing your brain waves down and what you want to program in there, if you're serious about a better life, you would run through a list of things that were really important to you. And remember to think that way, remember to feel that way, remember to behave that way the next day or even better.

1:29:19Raj Shamani:How did I do today? How was my day? When did I react? When did I lose my patience? When did I get frustrated? When did I move out of balance? Did I blame the person or circumstance? Was I greater than that? Okay, another day, another lifetime, another chance. My mother used to say, new day, right? Another day. How am I going to be if I had the same circumstance in my life, right? What's a better way for Raj to be or Joe to be the next day? Let me remind myself that I could be that way tomorrow. I promise you, if you're sincere just for two, three weeks of doing that, you'll naturally surprise yourself like, wow, I really didn't react to that person.

1:30:02Raj Shamani:Wow. I noticed that I was way more calm. I noticed that the person that normally pushes my buttons, I didn't feel that. And that's one of the crazy things that happens from our community. You know, they return back into their life. One of the common things people say is, I return back into my life and people say, what happened to you? Like, what did you do? Like, are you on a new drug? Are you taking a new medication? Did you get a face thing? You know, you've got a secret you're not telling me. You look different, right? Because they are different, right? That's the joy of change, right? So the evening and the morning are two times in the day where the door opens up.

1:30:42Raj Shamani:You know, your brainwaves go from beta to alpha to theta to delta in the evening. when you wake up in the morning, you know, you go from delta to theta to alpha to beta. So, there's two times where the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind opens. And people, I mean, the people in my life that do this, they take their time before they go to bed. They write things down that are important to them, things they want to change. They don't want to watch TV or get on their device. They really want to invest in themselves, right? And they're serious about it. And as a side effect, the opportunities, the coincidences, the synchronicities, the serendipities somehow are coming to them.

1:31:26Raj Shamani:It's not like they're going and having to get it. Somehow it's kind of coming to them. That's all you need. That's all you need to believe that you're the creator of your life. right and and why is that important because you're going to want to do it again you're going to be like and that's why our community does the work because they don't want the magic to end they don't want to jinx it they're like it's too good i'm gonna i'm not going to miss my meditation because too many wonderful things are happening in my life that those synchronicities those opportunities are telling you are you are in fact the creator of your life that's the

1:32:01Dr Joe Dispenza:that's the side effect see you teach all of these in your retreats right and people come off as somebody and they go as someone else and they change but let's talk about a majority of people who are watching this they just can't leave everything and fly off to a retreat right they they have they have their family responsibilities they have a very tough job they're trying to make their ends meet toxic relationships all around emis to pay they're financially probably struggling so they can't spend like thousands of dollars to just fly out to another country and spend on a retreat so somebody who can't do that what should they do right now or what should they start doing from tomorrow they have no money just 20 minutes in a day because the rest of the day is very packed so what can they do so that they start seeing some of the change of your work?

1:32:57Raj Shamani:Again, you know, the first step is information. Information is the catalyst to transformation. So I don't know if it's a book, one of my books to read or, you know, a podcast or study an online course that we have, you know, whether it's the formula or our progressive workshops or our intensive workshop, you know, take the time. And if you have 20 minutes or 30 minutes, sit down for 20 or 30 minutes and learn the information and start somewhere. But I think just knowledge really is the most important thing and it's the basis. So make the time to learn. When we stop learning and start feeling, we're headed for a genetic destiny, right?

1:33:45Raj Shamani:So it's important for us to go, okay, this makes sense to me. And it may not make sense to everybody but if it resonates with a person and other people are doing it why can't i do it right that's the the main question so i think you know exposing yourself to the information and not in and taking the time to invest a little bit of your energy into it and then practice it and in the practice is the fun part but don't do the practice without understanding why you're

1:34:14Dr Joe Dispenza:doing it or what you're doing see a lot of people will watch this read your book and then after that they'll start doing certain things how do you know difference between whether you are just you're actually changing or you are just doing it for the sake of doing it and you're just feeling something or maybe now because it's also cool to do all of these things be spiritual of some sort and do meditation so maybe somebody's just doing it for the coolness of it because i know so many

1:34:46Raj Shamani:people to do it for this the number one thing i we discovered is people feel differently and they say wow i just don't feel like that person i'm less stressed i'm more present uh my rash has gone away my pain has gone away i'm feeling differently uh you know that's the first thing um they see people differently uh they're you know less reactionary uh i think that's the first kind of signal that we get uh then of course then the next one is always seeing changes in their life like all of a sudden they start getting breadcrumbs from the divine you know you know oh my god i i got this offer i got this opportunity i i ran into this person and then it led to this and um i i know on some level that i took the time to create this you know so when you start getting feedback in your life.

1:35:41Raj Shamani:That's the important element. I mean, I love synchronicities in my life. I do the work because I do them for the synchronicities, for the opportunities, for the open moments where, you know, something unknown drops in your lap. To me, that's the exciting part about it. So I think feedback from our environment usually is the second cue. I think the third one for people in our community is that transcendental moment where they have a very transcendental mystical experience that changes them forever where they just go, oh my God, I saw beyond the veil. Like, this is not it. This is definitely not it.

1:36:21Raj Shamani:And those people, their life changes dramatically after that moment. And we see many times after that transcendental moment, there's a biological upgrade that goes on in that person's body like instantaneously. Instantaneously. Yeah.

1:36:35Dr Joe Dispenza:See, I know my reality. And I'm here sitting with you. I'm not the version who I want to be. I'm not living my dream life. I am and so many people like me they must be thinking about some some unrealistic version of themselves that they want to become but they know their reality like how do they how do they think and create of that future which they can't even see that seems so far-fetched how do I convince myself that i'm gonna be that person who is who's living a dream life because i know my reality and nothing seems to be working right now well you have one of two choices to disbelieve

1:37:23Raj Shamani:or to believe that's really it that's it if you choose to be a chronic disbeliever then you'll find reasons reasons in your life to reaffirm that disbelief a person may say i want to be in a loving relationship, but really they really want to sabotage their life in some way, right? The person who believes in a possibility has to believe in themselves. And when you believe in yourself, you believe in possibility. You can't have one without the other. The challenge is that your belief in yourself must be earned. Nobody's going to do that for you. And that's what we discovered. The person who heals from a chronic health condition, again, I can use these as example because we have thousands of these.

1:38:08Raj Shamani:Many of them stand on the stage, Raj, when they tell their story of transformation to an audience of 2 ,000 or 2 ,200 people. They'll say, you know, I kind of believed in this stuff. You know, I really thought it was super cool. I saw the stories of transformation. I heard the testimonials. I believed in it. I just didn't believe it could work for me. That is a really big moment. That is the moment the person's no longer the philosopher. That's the moment the person's getting out of the bleachers and getting on the field. That's the person who says, I got to prove to myself that this does work.

1:38:51Raj Shamani:Now, here's the deal. Either you believe or you don't believe. The person who says, I realized that I believed that it worked for everybody else, but I didn't know if it would work for me. I have to prove to myself that it works for me. The majority of those people never missed a day in their meditation because if they missed a day, they knew that they weren't believing that they were the creator of their life. Their standard was super high. They didn't go 50 % in, 60 % in, I'll check to see if it worked. They had their, they were, it was no longer about, listen closely, it was no longer about results in their life.

1:39:31Raj Shamani:It was 100 % about effort. It was all effort. They came up against their shadow self. They came up against their disbelief. They came up against their pain. They came up against their fear. They came up against not feeling well, you know, feeling sick. They came up against their self-doubt. They came up with the fact that they didn't have enough time. But guess what? They did their meditation anyway. Anyway. And they overcame their fear. They overcame their self-doubt. They overcame their disbelief. They overcame, you know, their pain. They overcame their body. They started surrendering to love instead of fear.

1:40:11Raj Shamani:And their belief in themselves was earned. It was the overcoming, showing up even when they doubted, even when they disbelieved. They showed up anyway. And I was just looking at a testimony the other day. The guy had a nine and a half inch tumor on his kidneys. Nine and a half inches. I said to him, were there days where you didn't want to do your meditation? He said, oh yeah, I didn't feel well a lot of those days. I said, did you do it anyway? He said, yep, never missed a day. I said, were there days where you doubted? He said, oh yeah, my family thought I was crazy. Did you do them anyway? Yep, I overcame my doubt that day.

1:40:52Raj Shamani:And there's some people I say to them, why were you doing your meditations three times a day? Three times a day. They'll say, the chemo wasn't working. The radiation wasn't working. The surgeries didn't work. The drug trial didn't work. the vegan, ketogenic, the intermittent fasting. None of the diets worked. The only thing I was left with was my belief in myself, right? The reason I did my meditations three times a day is because I started to disbelieve. I had one of two options, die or show up for myself. And I would not get up from that meditation until I believed in my future again. And the only way, as I said, you can believe in that future is to transform those limited emotions into elevated emotions.

1:41:42Raj Shamani:The person has to find something in them where they can feel the emotion of gratitude and fall in love with the idea that they could heal. And it's that thought and that feeling, that image and that emotion, that stimulus and response that can condition their body into the emotion and the mind of their future. and they get up and they believe more in their future than when they started. Some people, they finish their meditation and they believe less in their future at the end of their meditation because they never overcame themselves. And this is where the rubber meets the road because they're uncompromising because nothing else has worked, right?

1:42:27So to me, that's greatness.

1:42:31Raj Shamani:I'd rather sit with that person and talk to that person than any famous person in the world. They know the truth. They stand on the stage. They're standing in front of an audience. I'm looking at the audience. They're telling their story. And everybody's leaning in. Everybody's leaning in because there's the example of truth. There's a four-minute mile. There's someone who broke through a certain level of consciousness or unconsciousness. And they don't look vegan. They don't look particularly young. They're not dressed very well. They're not fit. They just look like a person you would pass in the grocery store.

1:43:03Raj Shamani:But they change their health in some way. And it's everybody in the audience is looking at them. And I know that some people in the audience are going to identify with that person. They're going to say, she doesn't look particularly different than me. I have the same diagnosis. If she could do it, I can do it. And that's the power of community. Because then once it's in the collective consciousness and you witness it, it's no longer just theoretical. There's truth standing there. There's truth on the stage. They have the scans. They have the blood tests. Tumors are gone. Everything's gone. It becomes very infectious.

1:43:45Raj Shamani:And then all of a sudden you start. We had five people with Raynard syndrome at one event where you lose blood flow into your extremities. Because one person stood on the stage and told their story. four other people by the end of that event stood on the stage no more reynards we had five people that were in wheelchairs with all kinds of reasons you know spinal cord injuries myasthenia gravis rheumatoid arthritis lupus als head traumas one person stood out of the wheelchair four other people stood out we had two people that were blind i mean imagine that that was a crazy one couldn't see at the end of the event one by the middle of the event one person stood on stage by the end of the event was two people it's insane what that's the power that's the power that lives in every human being when you start seeing possibility like that because people only do the best with what they think is available if you don't know what's available you'll make the same choice.

1:44:49Raj Shamani:Once you know it's possible, you're not going to, nobody's so special to be excluded when you're in a community like that. And the person's in their seventies or they're in their later years and doctors are telling them you're too old or, you know, you're just going to learn to live with that. Those people are like, no, no, I'm not going to live with this. No, this is not how it's going to end for me like that's what it takes right so yeah there's there's there's too much it's to say like oh well you know uh i i just can't master it up in me well then what do you want you know what do you want if you really want it you'll find a way right yeah a lot of this work

1:45:41Dr Joe Dispenza:is related to controlling emotions right yeah then we call it self-regulation self-regulation so regulating the emotions but when you talk about controlling emotions a lot of people

1:45:52Raj Shamani:feel that it's about suppressing a certain emotion so what do people do when they when

1:45:59Dr Joe Dispenza:they go through this process do they i mean let me make a specific so somebody who has had years of anger and they've suppressed it years of grief they've suppressed it years of just trauma and things they've suppressed it they've not fully allowed themselves to feel do you before they transcend do you make them feel that emotion to the fullest or do you just suppress it and just yeah just rewire and do something new yeah i think that a lot of people

1:46:25Raj Shamani:like they they have a lot of strong emotions that are on the surface and they have some strong emotions that are buried in there right and i i would never say to a person to suppress their emotion listen we all react we all react but the question is how long how long are you going to react really that's the question look at a kid right the child just has a reaction 10 minutes they're over it and they're back you know for the most part you know playing and doing whatever and i think the greatest thing we can teach children is that kind of emotional intelligence to kind of shorten their emotional responses.

1:47:05Raj Shamani:So I never say to a person, don't react. I will say to them, how long are you going to react for? Because if you have an event in your life that creates an emotion and you don't regulate that emotion, it lasts for hours or days. That's called a mood. That's one long emotional reaction. You say to the person, why are you in a mood? I'm in a mood because of this thing that happened to me seven days ago. If they keep the same emotional reaction going on for months, weeks to months. That's called a temperament. The person just has an angry temperament. Why are you angry? I have this event happen to me, you know, nine months ago.

1:47:43Raj Shamani:It goes on for years on end. That's a personality trait. That personality trait is really based on an experience or series of experiences that create that emotion, right? And then a person just memorizes their emotion. They're having one long emotional reaction, and now they're looking for it. They're looking for a reason to be angry. They're looking, not consciously, they're looking for a reason to judge, right? Because it reaffirms their belief in themselves, how they believe, what they believe about life. So when a person's sitting in a meditation and there's 2 ,000 people in the audience and their eyes closed and everything's kind of, there's music playing and they have some instructions and all of a sudden here comes this agitation, here comes this resentment, here comes this impatience, and the body is revving up, right?

1:48:34Raj Shamani:That's when the person typically says, I can't meditate. That's my mother's fault. I'm quitting, whatever. But if they know what to do and they know how to work with their body and like training an animal, they bring the body back into the present moment because the moment they're feeling that emotion, the body's in the past. They go, oh my God, I'm going into the past. the agitation is turning on the stress hormones i'm going to go into high beta i got to settle the body down i got to tell it's no longer the mind and when you when you do that you tell the body it's no longer the mind you settle it into the present moment it liberates a little bit of energy then it gets a little agitated again and it gets a little frustrated again and then it starts getting impatient and you're not going to give up and you work with the body again you settle it down again you bring it back into the present moment it's tedious in the beginning.

1:49:23Raj Shamani:But like training an animal, body is the animal. Sooner or later, it's going to surrender to a new mind. And when it finally does, there's a huge liberation of energy. Now the person literally taken that emotion, they've gone from particle to wave, from matter and energy, that the information that's stored in the body is being released as energy. And now the person doesn't have to try to be more patient. They've kind of cultivated patience by not letting the body be the mind by the same means if you're in the habit of picking up your cell phone every five minutes and scrolling through it and you're in a meditation or you're busy and you got a lot of things to do you're sitting in the meditation you want to get up and you want to go and do something you notice your body doing that most people say i can't meditate i'm just going to quit if you really want it if you really want change you got to execute a will that's greater than the program you're going to bring the body back out of that predictable future into the present moment.

1:50:21Raj Shamani:And like an unbridled stallion, it'll buck and kick. It'll do everything it can. You just keep bringing it back to the present moment. Sooner or later, it's going to surrender to a new mind. And now the person's going to liberate energy because the present moment is the unknown. The familiar past of feeling certain emotions and certain memories, that's the known. Living in a predictable future, you know, where you're always busy, got things to do and people to see in places that go, that's the predictable future. If you can predict it, it's known, right? So if you can settle into the present moment and teach the body to relax into the unknown without it being a scary place, when you can relax into the unknown like that, the body finally surrenders and it's free.

1:51:07Raj Shamani:Now the person's ready to create something new. Now, it just takes a little bit of understanding. It takes a little bit of practice. Once again, you give numerous times to practice it, it gets easier and easier and easier. And usually by the third day of the event, people sit for, they don't even know how long. They forget that the body no longer bothers them. It's just like, it just, they've just trained it, right? And so the cool part is when they go into their life and they're with their parents or with their siblings and they're smiling and they're present and they really don't have a conversation, they're just really happy to see them.

1:51:45Raj Shamani:you know the veil is gone they're way more way more present um that's what the work is for that's what it's for to live your life and take that into your life and be the you know be that person that you want to be now you said earlier well many people don't know who they want to be there's a there's a there's a trade and the trade is you got to come up against the person you no longer want to be. And you got to really look. And it comes up very naturally and very automatically. And a lot of people say, I wanted to leave after the first day. Like, oh, it was way too much. And I, you know, I looked at the military veterans, the Navy SEALs and the Green Berets.

1:52:29Raj Shamani:I'm like, I want three things from you. Courage. Courage to feel any emotion. Love. That means it's going to reset the baseline for the trauma you got to be able to love and wisdom the memory without the emotional charge is called wisdom that's what you're going to get out of this and you can't give up you go all in sooner or later i mean we have again you know all shapes all sizes all cultures all races all pasts you know everybody everybody's able to do it

1:53:02Dr Joe Dispenza:do you react yeah do you get angry now yeah yeah i mean i react the question is how long

1:53:07Raj Shamani:do you get angry now i don't think it's healthy for me i've done it enough times to know that like it just doesn't serve me any longer so i really ask myself is this loving to you is this is this going to solve anything for you and usually i usually just go okay take a few breaths and and sometimes you know i dismiss myself from life i take a few moments close my eyes get back in that place where i want to be and i think when it's the hardest it matters the most

1:53:42Dr Joe Dispenza:but is it is there some pattern that you fail to overcome and you keep going back to that when you get angry like let's say there are people anger is such a normal emotion you it's you live in an uncertain environment we all live in that like there has to be some there are going to be times that you get angry right there are people who get like really raise their voice there are people who will throw things i've never been that person i've never been that person in my life what do you do when like it's just just um being angry yourself um if i get

1:54:13Raj Shamani:angry i usually dismiss myself i know i've done it enough times in my life that it doesn't serve me justified or not like i can't if i'm saying that person or that circumstance is controlling the way i'm feeling in the way i'm thinking then i am victim to that person that person's controlling my thoughts and feelings then then i'm giving my power away the stronger the emotion i feel towards that person or that problem the more i'm going to pay attention to them right where you place your attention is where you place your energy so do i really want to give my energy or my attention to that person and normally the answer is no right um so yes so i typically typically just take a moment and just reboot that's a good way to deal with it that's a great

1:55:03Dr Joe Dispenza:way to deal yeah see i was researching about you and while i was researching i found out that at 19 you read a book autobiography of yogi yes yes i did yeah and you said like

1:55:17Raj Shamani:something and you changed after that um my parents uh were best friends with these this couple and their son was really good friends with me and we went to graduate school together and the father my parents would make dinners with these couple and they would party with them and they're very festive and i never knew this really about this guy but he handed me this book when i was heading to uh to graduate school and it was a we were driving uh from new york all the way down to atlanta so it was a long a long drive so i read the whole book and i had just been starting to do yoga i you know i was interested in it i was doing martial arts at the time something really uh uh very untraditional for a westerner i grew up playing you know very very western sports and um i my exposure to yoga in some of the yogis that i had met what uh bothered me because i didn't understand where they were coming from and when i read the autobiography yogi i was really upset like it really changed it shifted my paradigm quite a bit and if i said this is if this is the truth if this is the absolute truth how did this person do it what were they teaching what is this kriya breath you know i was and i just everything changed for me everything changed for me my whole life changed i started doing i know this is crazy but i did like three hours of yoga every morning at 4 a.m hatha yoga and then finished with some very intense breathing i don't i think i don't think we missed a day my roommate and i for for for over three years like we were out there at four in the morning every morning and we were i was in search of this understanding it just it's something lit a fire in me and the way i saw western religion yeah and the and the questions that i was willing to ask i sat my father down and i just said look i'm just if this is the truth i'm just telling you i can't do this you know the way that we've been raised and my father was super cool and he said well if you want to investigate it let me know what you find out right and it It took me on this whole journey about, you know, in one way, you know, studying the mind and spirituality and yoga and hypnosis and what was common and human potential and what was possible.

1:57:50Raj Shamani:And, yeah, I just went an unexpected route, a very unexpected route. But I was very, those four years in graduate school, I was very to myself and really curious about the nature of reality.

1:58:06Dr Joe Dispenza:Which specific teaching from Autobiography of a Yogi you still carry today?

1:58:12Raj Shamani:of just the mystical transcendental stuff you know the tiger swami you know his teacher you know babaji and just the way that uh it the the way they appeared uh in as as mystics and saints and holy people and what the message really was and and i was bothered by promohansa like by certain things he didn't look like a yogi to me like it bothered me about and he didn't really do well in school. Like he didn't really get great grades, you know, and I was just kind of was, you know, bothered by that. And, and, you know, just things that not, not to say that I was, I just was naive at the time. Like I just had a way in my mind that I thought it was.

1:58:59Raj Shamani:And I, it took me full circle for me to really accept that my God, my, my understanding is so limited right and it broke me down and then i wound up reading a bunch of other really

1:59:11Dr Joe Dispenza:spiritual books that you know opened my mind as well so if you got an opportunity in hypothetical world to collaborate with one of these original ancient indian gurus who follow this work who would you collaborate with i'm probably promohansi yeah yeah why oh i think he was just a really kind and generous and loving human yeah you know there's also your stuff like your your method which is pulling mind out of your body that's based out of kundalini right which is a very ancient indian knowledge so why don't you call it kundalini and you give it some different name

1:59:57Raj Shamani:um i discovered that when you name something based on tradition i'm gonna lose people in the audience or they're gonna say oh i learned kundalini already and and they're gonna have their own belief about it so you'll never hear me say chakras you know you never hear me say kundalini i i try to stay away from words where people have a stigma or some unconscious belief So I rename everything. But I stumbled across my own kundalini experiences, not because I was trying in any way to have a kundalini experience. I just, after years of yoga and just all of this kind of control, when I exerted myself and did certain things and I breathed a certain way, I would have a dramatic change in my body and in my brain.

2:00:50And I loved that feeling.

2:00:55Raj Shamani:I loved that feeling. It was that energy going right to my brain. And so... And the breath that we teach is just my best understanding of how to liberate that energy. All the energy you use to create a baby, to digest a meal, to run from a predator. Those first three energy centers, instead of releasing the energy out, draw that energy back to the brain. And our brain scan shows that on some level it puts the brain into an altered state. Yeah.

2:01:27Dr Joe Dispenza:So when you do all these researches on 5 ,000 year old ancient Indian knowledge, and now you have a lot of science around it and you have done a lot of researches, you've packaged it in a much more believable way for masses to understand. Do you think that your work and research now validate 5 ,000 year old Indian wisdom?

2:01:51Raj Shamani:I think it validates a lot of wisdom, all kinds of wisdom. I was invited to the Parliament for the World Religions, you know, and had an opportunity to sit with a lot of really, really educated and adept religious leaders. And one of the things I learned in sitting at the table with very, very affluent people was that it was a language barrier. Like they were arguing over scriptures that were 5 ,000 years old. Who knows the word from 5 ,000 and what it meant then or 2 ,000 years old in another part of the world. Like the language was contemporary at the time. And, you know, so I wanted to make it more approachable for people.

2:02:39Raj Shamani:And gosh, I've taken all kinds of courses, you know, from Buddhism to, you know, the Vedic scriptures, all that stuff. It's a lot. It's a lot. And it's, again, for a Westerner, it's very difficult for them to wrap their mind around some of the concepts. And I've even sat with them and had them try to help me understand differences. it's very tedious and it's very difficult so for me i thought what would be the simplest thing to do is to find a way to understand it and then rename it in a way that everybody just goes oh okay that makes sense right do you have to know all the details no just this this is the best name we can give so i've always wanted to take very complex ideas or topics whether it was spiritual or whether it's scientific and make them really simple for people really simple to to make them make it approachable for them to not be intimidated by it but to understand it and and now we have so much science the scientists can actually go way down the rabbit hole with all kinds of great you know you know great understandings because i'm from india i can instantly

2:03:50Dr Joe Dispenza:connect a lot of your work with the patanjali studies the advaita vedanta the vedic scriptures the uh the kundalini method right and there's a lot of information in our culture what do you think what do 5 000 year old when there was no science like what do those people get it which even today a lot of western neuroscientists don't get there weren't a lot of uh there wasn't

2:04:19Raj Shamani:a lot of technology uh you know think about living just 300 years ago it wasn't easy to be human and you know live and so i think certain cultures found ways to become more enlightened uh to you know you know you could even talk about ayurvedic right so what do we have in our environment that's good for the body you know what are the what is the understanding why like why like in the west meditation is such a bad thing right and in in buddhism or in traditional Indian culture, it's a way of life. It's like, this works to get your brain and body better. This works to change who you are. So it was what they had that sustained the culture in the environments that they were in.

2:05:20Raj Shamani:And it became really very highly effective and very functional it was a way of life and and uh and it just happens to be ancient more ancient than than most religion and cultures why do you think then it was always there in ancient cultures right like in india out there but i haven't heard of any indian who was able to

2:05:49Dr Joe Dispenza:package it in a way to expand the blessings and the goodness of these teachings all around the world or package it in a way which is digestible which is helping people learn and heal better and become overcome their old self and create a new reality like indians were not able to do it why did we like you are able to do it in a much better way in a much larger way what do you think

2:06:16Raj Shamani:where did we lack i think there are a lot of indians that were able to reach a lot of people when when indians came from the from india to the west and you know they were on talk shows or being buried and then you know they dig them up the next day you know or put it put something through their neck out the other side you know the west was mystified that because there was only really one guy that was able to do anything like that and this kind of opened people's minds quite a bit so So I think there's a counterculture to kind of suppress that in a lot of ways because it goes against a lot of agendas, right?

2:06:57Raj Shamani:So I do think it may have been a little bit before their time, but I do think they were important elements, important steps for people to understand where we are today. So I think they were, you know, influenced a lot of people in a really important way. And they were strong seeds that bore a lot of fruit. But now technology is just so simple to be able to just get on something and see something that you didn't have available to you. You had to go to the top of a mountain in the Himalayas to, you know, find your way to some school, ancient school of wisdom, school of ancient wisdom. and you know be willing to give up your life to learn some of these things and i do think that um there were a lot of people that were that made those journeys that we never saw again yeah that that said i'm not coming back to society again and or there's many people that have transcended in some way uh but i think this is really you know this is a really important time to be alive and i think it's important to be alive right now because you know the human race is at a very critical point you know we either implode or we evolve and um the coming of this new consciousness is not one person yeah it's got to be a collective network of people in you know when you live in fear or you're watching the news or you're seeing all these tragedies or you're exposed to different things it really divides people when you're in survival and when you're in stress just nobody wants to connect or trust you know everybody's got their own secular ways and the best way to keep people divided is to keep them in survival and stress and so what an important time to be alive i don't think it's ever been in my lifetime i've never felt so much pressure you know environmentally with all the challenges that we've had and this is a time where you cannot choose fear where you can't choose aggression and hatred because that would add to the consciousness to further divide right so the something has to emerge that's greater than that and it's not easy especially when you're threatened in some way or you don't have money or you know somebody's been injured in your family for for some you know unhealthy reason so it's a huge challenge right it's a huge challenge but this is the time like we chose to be here and i do think you know everybody has to play their part on some level because my interest is if everybody if i'm working on myself and you're working on yourself and everybody's working on themselves to be a better person right then there should be something really emergent that takes place because the side effect of that is this kind of empathy that i think it's natural in human beings i mean i think we're wired to give to care for one another um to inform to heal to connect to invent to you know to support i think we're wired to be that way

2:10:12Dr Joe Dispenza:you will see in india there are a lot of meditators a lot of people who practice yoga they go to temples and practice gratitude on an everyday basis the country has a lot of these people and yet the depression rates in the country is increasing suicide rate is increasing there is there are more people struggling with a bunch of diseases mental health problems finances all of this together what's going wrong when the country was when the country knows about the value of meditation and there are a lot of people who are doing it regularly still they're not able to achieve a thriving life yeah i think values have changed in the world and it's

2:10:58Raj Shamani:just not it's not just in one country or another country i think it's ubiquitous i think it's i think we're seeing a breakdown in so many aspects politically in every country economically in every country, the food we eat, the healthcare we get, the pharmaceuticals we're exposed to, the atmosphere, journalism, education, medicine, everything is, the paradigms are collapsing, everything's breaking down. And, you know, that has to happen for something new to take place. Unfortunately, it's having an effect on every culture. It's not just India. It's just about in every country around the world. There are a lot of self-interests that are being demonstrated amongst certain people that are really excluding the value of human beings.

2:11:59Raj Shamani:And so when people are undervalued in some way, in every front of how they're experiencing life. I think you're going to see a lot of disease. You're going to see a lot of people unhealthy, depressed, unsatisfied. It's happening globally right now.

2:12:22Dr Joe Dispenza:You study all of this. You study science of meditation. Why do you think India has a lot of meditators, but not enough neuroscientists studying meditation um well let's see how i can say this

2:12:39Raj Shamani:we have a lot of great scientists on our research team really intelligent people and they've spent the majority of their life studying drugs that's that's their and and drug pathways right and there's a strong interest in funding drug studies because drugs help people you know a lot of drugs do help people i think you know what's so unique about our research right now is that you know we can say that the human nervous system manufactures a pharmacy of chemicals that works better than drugs. That's what our data shows, right? And that's a risk to be able to say that in the world. So we fund our own research and it's very expensive.

2:13:33Raj Shamani:You know, I put a lot into the data collection. We have nonprofits that work to do the analysis. We do, you know, blind studies. We do observational studies. We do clinical trials. We publish papers that are, I'll give you an example. The paper that we just published in a nature journal,

2:13:58most scientific articles get like about 600 to 900 accesses, which means you publish an article

2:14:07Raj Shamani:and about 600 to 900 people download it and read it, right? Where we're at currently right now for this article that we just released just a few weeks ago was at 90 ,000 views, right? So 900 to 90 ,000 views, and it's still going way up. So there's the thing called an Almetric, which determines the number of news channels, of podcasts, the exposure, the references for the article a great metric for a good scientific article is around 20 i think the last we looked it was about 156 so what does that mean it means that people are looking for the right information this is so refreshing to say wow they're they're they're making their own endogenous opioids you You know, they're making their own pharmacology of fertilizers that grow new neurons.

2:15:10Raj Shamani:They're changing their brain in this dramatic way. The cells are working more efficiently. You know, there's just so many things. A default mode network is what? Shut off. The person looks like they're on psilocybin when they're in meditation without taking anything. This is an interest that I think people innately have. when they're not programmed because i keep saying to the scientists i can't believe this is the truth like i can't believe it i can't believe it it's like it's crazy and it's not just like you know 10 of the people that we're studying have a you know two standard deviation change in their right parietal lobe you know in in 13 subjects out of you know 50 it's not like that it's like our data is like 77 % of the population, 80 % of the population, 84 % of the population, 90 % of the population, 95 % of the population, and many studies, 100 % of the population.

2:16:14Raj Shamani:That's, it's crazy, right? So if you're reading that article, and you're a scientist, you're doing that exact thing, you're going like this. Now, the crazy part about this is that when we show our data to reputable scientists and they're sitting there looking at it, the most common thing they say is, wait a second, wait a second. You're telling me that these changes are taking place in seven days? This isn't a one-year study? This is seven days? No way. It's unbelievable, right? And it has to be, I think, that shocking to tell a better story, right? And so, the conversations that I'm having with researchers and physicians and healthcare providers and scientists are not the same conversation I was having just two years ago.

2:17:06Raj Shamani:I mean, people are lit up, like they're excited about what's humanly possible. So I think it's, again, I believe that on some level, people that get into science are getting into science to discover something new. And one of our top scientists is families from India. Well, maybe he's from India. Well, actually, we have two. And in the beginning, he tried everything he possibly could to break the study. He saw the outcome. He's like, no way. The body's making something that's causing the COVID virus to not enter the cell. No way. And then he tried it another way. He tried it another way. Tried to disprove it.

2:17:54Raj Shamani:And every time he's running the studies, getting the same outcome, I know right in that moment, he's changing his belief. I know he's discovering something new. I know he's thinking this is unbelievable, right? So the cell is actually greater than the environment in this circumstance. The researchers and scientists in our community that are part of the team have changed dramatically. They've changed dramatically in their beliefs about what is humanly possible. I asked them, why do you come to events? A lot of the postdocs that come and the researchers that are, you know, running the trials that are looking under the microscope.

2:18:38Raj Shamani:Why do you come? Why are you coming to sit for seven days and do this? They're like, it's medicine. It's medicine. I'm here because it's actually medicine. It's kind of wild. So we have a lot of papers we'll be publishing in the next year. You know, our breast milk study will be the next one that we publish that will be groundbreaking, you know, really groundbreaking. You know, we studied women that have gone through a seven day event and we measure their breast milk before and after and completely different breast milk at the end of seven days. There are factors in their breast milk that will increase wound healing dramatically.

2:19:16Raj Shamani:There are factors that are anti-carcinogenic that were not there before. It's completely different breast milk. And that's the information that the mother is passing to the infant. That's the instructions that the infant is getting as their first you know their first exposure

2:19:36Dr Joe Dispenza:to food right crazy and what is also crazy because i was reading a research and published paper that you published two weeks ago yeah uc san diego and it's insane what you guys are you you just discovered or you wrote down in that paper can you explain my audience what do you mean by that Just meditation is able to create an effect in brain which psychedelics does.

2:20:04Raj Shamani:Yeah.

2:20:05Dr Joe Dispenza:Like no shrooms, no drugs, no intervention with any stuff. Maybe some sort of tea you guys give. I don't know.

2:20:15Raj Shamani:No, exactly. That's exactly the point. Because everybody goes, what are you giving them? More like nothing. thing. Our retreats are the perfect scientific environment. Everybody's getting up at the same time. Everybody's exposed to the same information. Everybody's eating at the same time. They're eating relatively the same food choices. They're sleeping at the same time. There's just kind of this controlled environment where we can really test all kinds of crazy things. And we've got probably the largest database in the world on meditation. So we decided to do some fMRI studies with novice meditators and advanced meditators.

2:20:55Raj Shamani:And we were looking for a few different things. We were looking for physiological changes in the brain and anatomical changes. And the first thing that we discovered with the advanced meditators is they actually grew an area of the brain larger, like they had more neurons they were volumetrically larger which is insane right and so then we were thinking are there factors in the blood you know in the bloodstream that could be causing this growth and we just we discovered all these fertilizers you know these these neurotrophic factors that actually were causing the brain to grow now listen it's crazy because i say to the scientists, where are those chemicals coming from?

2:21:40Raj Shamani:Where are they coming from? The person's not ingesting any neural growth factor. Their nervous system's manufacturing that particular chemical, that piece of information that's causing the brain to flourish, to grow, to expand, like grow new neurons and create new synaptic connections. It's kind of integration, right? And then we saw that default mode network that we were talking about earlier, the brain's predictor, completely shut off. And if it completely shuts off, that means that the brain is not using the same amount of energy any longer. So the default mode network and the salient network were shut off to such a degree that it looked like the person was taking psilocybin.

2:22:31Raj Shamani:It looks exactly the same, right? But they're not ingesting any psilocybin, which is crazy. Is it possible then that if their economy of energy in the brain has been more prioritized, what's happening in the cells? And we discovered the cells are actually working at a way more efficient level, like a difference between burning a log and jet fuel. The cell is just way more efficient in the way it processes energy. Then we saw that everybody noticed a decrease in pain. As we started looking for those endogenous opioids or opiates, natural pain relievers. 100 % of the people that we measured were making their own natural morphines, their own pain relievers.

2:23:20Raj Shamani:The cells were deconstructing and reconstructing at the same time. In other words, there was an enormous amount of change going on on a cellular level. pro-inflammatory factors and anti-inflammatory factors happening in the cell was regenerating in real time, changing in real time. And then we saw those different compartments of the brain that were divided and segregated and compartmentalized, firing in a more unified way. The modulation, the compartments were more holistic, not just in a few people, in the majority of those people. So we saw these dramatic changes. Those are a few of them. There are more, but we saw these dramatic changes taking place.

2:24:04Raj Shamani:And we published the paper. And as I said, you know, it's gotten such great acclaim in a very short amount of time. No matter where we are in the world, by around the fifth day, the fifth day seems to be, you know, unanimous at that point. right around the fifth day, there's just, everybody is beaming, everybody is joyful, everybody's loving, everybody's kind, everybody's caring, everybody's connected, supportive, and you see people change people. Everybody's grateful. There's like everything that their survival instincts, what they came with somehow was gone. So there's this kind of euphoria where they're very present, very relaxed, and very awake.

2:24:51Raj Shamani:The feeling probably would be this kind of euphoria. When the language specialists interview people that have had these transcendental moments, the most common word that they use is, I felt it or I feel it. Like the feeling is the most pronounced word that tends to come up. And the feeling is divided into two categories. One feeling is very somatic. Like they say, I could feel it in every cell of my body. I could feel like my top of my head blew off, or there was energy like lightning coming out of my fingers, or my heart exploded or turned on like an engine. It's very somatic. Like they'll be like, wow, that was nothing i've ever felt before and they can only use metaphors to be able to explain like this moment and the other side is very emotional they'll say i've never felt love like this in my life like i i thought i knew what love was this is this is next level it's not chemical it's something else like and i and they cannot find the words to describe that feeling because they're like it was connection but it's not it's like like i remembered that i was i forgot that i'm love you know like they just you try to find the words um and as i said um there's this kind of sense of change that takes place where you don't feel like the same person any longer many times as a side effect of that a person has a very dramatic change in their health like there's something that where they had that they no longer have like they get an upgrade like the body's lifted by a new energy and and they'll say yeah i i had this condition like parkinson's i no longer have it or you know i i i had eczema all over my body i don't have eczema anymore you know whatever you know they have some type of change in their uh in their health too i've read the testimonials

2:26:53Dr Joe Dispenza:I've read all of these things and I've heard about it from so many people who attended your retreats as well. People say that there have been tumors which have disappeared. They've gotten their cancers better. Diseases got reversed. So many wild things. What is one transformation which you feel even till date, even you can't believe it? It's an unbelievable transformation story and you don't have a justification yourself?

2:27:21Raj Shamani:I can think of two. Now, one is from a young man from India that was diagnosed with muscular dystrophy. Now, if you get on the internet today and you Google muscular dystrophy and you look at Reuters or you look at Medscape or you look at any of the references, they'll tell you that there is no cure. There is no cure for muscular dystrophy. This guy came in a wheelchair. He came into London and he left the event walking. And I just, I watched his testimonial. In one week, I must have watched it 50 times because I just, I could not believe this guy's story. And he was so authentic in the way he was saying, the way I feel right now, I haven't felt this way in 14 years.

2:28:14Raj Shamani:He was a young guy. And his parents didn't want to tell him he had muscular dystrophy when he was young because they didn't want to ruin his life. And then as he got older, he started falling. And then he couldn't walk. And then he wound up in a wheelchair. And then they told him, doctors told him, it's going to get worse. And he was just on this search and this journey. And then he came to London in a wheelchair. And he's walking around in his life right now. I mean, it's insane. That's one story. And then we had a woman that was diagnosed with colorectal cancer. And the typical procedure for that is to surgically remove the colon and the rectum.

2:28:54Raj Shamani:So they took out nine centimeters of her colon and rectum. Now, when you lose that part of your body, you have to have a bag because you can no longer control your bowel function. And on some level, you lose your dignity, right? And so she spent the majority of her time next to a toilet her whole life. She couldn't walk. She told me she couldn't be more than three or four meters from the toilet because she had to go back there and sit on it all the time. Anyway, they told her, you're going to live with this. you're too old don't you know don't expect any change she didn't accept that this is a crazy story because it it has challenged my belief she told me that she started doing the work and she thought maybe i could grow my rectum and my colon back and everybody told her she was crazy right and she did the work she did the work she did the work at a certain point she told me she was able to do she told me i couldn't do a meditation and get through it i'd have to go to the toilet and one minute or two minute that I would just do my meditation on the toilet, she said.

2:30:02Raj Shamani:And she said, one day I was able to do my entire meditation without using the toilet. That's all she needed. That's all she needed. And then the next thing you know, she was able to become more mobile. And then she decided to come to a week-long retreat. And she just thought, I don't know how I'm going to do this, but I'm going to come. She sat through every single lecture and every single meditation without using the toilet. She went back to her doctor after that and she grew five centimeters of her colon back on the scan, but I'm not done. She continued to do the work and continued the process.

2:30:43Raj Shamani:And she sat on the stage and she grew 10 centimeters of her rectum and colon back after she got nine centimeters of her colon and rectum surgically removed. Now, what does that mean that means the human body has the innate capacity to regenerate itself at any age if it's given the right information i mean growing tissues that are part of an organ that have been surgically removed growing that back i didn't even want to say anything publicly about that because it's it's not easy for people to wrap their mind around it but no different than a salamander or an octopus she she she was able to restore tissue on her body and and yeah she just came to an event a few months ago and she's living her life yeah and that's a that's a strong footprint in consciousness because that means that if she can do it how is that possible like well um what's happening i do think that it's a it's a very long journey i mean it took her a few years to do, but she never gave up.

2:31:55Raj Shamani:I mean, when you're in the meditative state, if you know exactly how to do this, if you can open the door between your conscious mind and your subconscious mind, and your subconscious mind is your autonomic nervous system, autonomic meaning automatic or autonomous, it's functioning independently of your conscious mind. It has an innate intelligence, right? To restore and repair and regenerate. So if the door is open and you're able to provide the autonomic nervous system with the right information and intention is that information, the intention will serve as information and the autonomic nervous system will take that information and begin to manufacture chemicals and hormones that begin to restore and repair the body to regenerate it in some level and it's got to be very specific and and i saw the scan it's not like a rectum and colon that has scar tissue and partially developed this is like a brand new regenerated juvenile opalescent beautiful tissue it's it's it's crazy yeah

2:33:09Dr Joe Dispenza:why aren't they teaching this in medical school then well it's really interesting um because you

2:33:14Raj Shamani:have a lot of data and a lot of researches to prove it now yeah well i mean again the conversations i'm having with universities are very different i mean that the the department head the chair of the department of anesthesiology at the university of california san diego um you know we're talking about um doing a course for medical students uh at the at the school there on the mind body connection and the reason that's important to me is that this work is not for everybody rash you You know, some people, my mother was like traditional medicine. Like she just was, she believed in her doctor and whatever her doctor said she would do.

2:33:53Raj Shamani:And I don't want to force this down anybody's throat, but the faculty there is thinking in a really profound way. Because let's say you decide to become a plastic surgeon or you become a brain surgeon or you, you know, you become an oncologist, right? and you're exposed to the course that we teach where you see all this crazy stuff and you have a patient that shows up in your clinic and the person says I was diagnosed with this condition I want to try this meditation stuff while I'm getting my treatments or while I'm getting you know my I want to work with you the doctor's not going to say that's not that's not realistic or that's junk or I'm not going to see you or discourage the person.

2:34:46Raj Shamani:The doctor is going to say, you know what? I saw the data when I was in medical school. I saw what's possible. I mean, I don't know enough about it, but I'll help you if you want to do it. But let's just make sure we test you every few months. Let's make sure that you're progressing in the right direction. Now the doctor's encouraging the patient and engaging them in a way like, go ahead, but let's do what we do and let's see if we can go from point A to point B. So many doctors now, when their patient shows up, they all say the same thing. When they see the scans, they all say the same thing.

2:35:23I don't know what you're doing, but whatever you're doing,

2:35:27Raj Shamani:keep doing it. That's what they tell their patients now. Now, we're having enormous amounts of physicians and researchers showing up at our events. They're just blown away. it's pretty exciting time yeah you know when you do more meditations i was reading somewhere

2:35:43Dr Joe Dispenza:when you get closer to all of this you you have you start to develop a good relationship with death you're not scared of it anymore so are you are you scared of death not really no what has changed when you were young and not exposed to all of this stuff and probably 40 years later today yeah god i've lived so much

2:36:08Raj Shamani:life um i i do think i do i mean it's taken me a while to believe that i'm eternal well but i do believe that we're eternal and if you're eternal um gosh um what is there to be afraid of when it comes to death right i mean um i've had some mystical experiences that have changed my view of death in some ways. So I don't know, I think what we've been programmed to believe about death is not what it really is. And one of the things that I'm really fascinated with, I've always been fascinated with from the time I was 18 years old, because my dad asked me to read this book, is just kind of these near-death experiences where people have a near-death experience, they review their life or they see their life from a different perspective and they come back, you know, and they tell their story of what their experience was.

2:37:07Raj Shamani:I've never heard a person who had a near-death experience say that it was horrible. They said 100 % of the time there was so much love and they felt they were bathed in some light or some frequency that somehow was profoundly healing to them. And it changed the way they when they came back changed the way that they saw life so um i think we have to just redefine our you know our our our programming around what we think death is um and i and i and i think that um the more you interact in consciousness uh i think the more you i think the more we see it differently but at what point do you think

2:37:52Dr Joe Dispenza:intentions meditation will power of the practice of what you do will be able to defy death at some point will it be ever

2:38:07Raj Shamani:can thoughts delay death um i think there are timelines you know more probable timelines for certain people i think there's a soul that's involved in our life you know and i think the soul negotiates certain things before we enter this life. But I do think people change timelines when they decide to change. In other words, in some way, they're reborn as a new person in the same life without having to die, you know, and they become somebody else, right? And in a way, the birthing process sometimes is uncomfortable, it's painful, and they kind of emerge, you know, a different person. And so they're on a different timeline than the timeline where they were diagnosed with a certain condition when using that as, or a certain timeline where they're going to have a certain experience in their life that could lead to their death.

2:39:02Raj Shamani:They're on a whole different timeline that can change their, that change their all of eternity, change their future in all of eternity. And I do think, you know, there's a realistic element of the soul where um you know it negotiates certain things and you know people uh have to fulfill those uh you know those uh obligations let me let me ask you something which

2:39:27Dr Joe Dispenza:a lot of my friends and i struggle with okay it's another personal thing that i grew up with with seeing a lot of problems in my family with regards to finances. We almost grew up with financial insecurity. I've seen my dad struggling to the T. We had nothing. We had to change houses. There was fights in the family for finances the moment they had little money. And then we had to leave the house and live in a very small apartment with me, my mom my dad my brother and break a joint family then we came back then my father started making little money and then his factory got burned like there was fire in the factory so then we lost again so i've seen like a lot of turmoils and i've seen a lot of fights in the family and now in last couple of years i've seen a lot of abundance where i've started making a good amount of money my father's started making good amount of money we all live a good life where finance is no more problem but still there's some sort of financial insecurity in my head and that tells me that i want to make more money and i'm completely honest about it but then it's almost like when you say that you want to make more money people try to put guilt on you It's like, am I allowed to say that by doing all the practices that you say, by doing manifestation, imagining a better future for myself, by creating the abundant self?

2:41:05Dr Joe Dispenza:If I use these techniques and strategies and everything, the practice and meditations, if I use these things to attract more abundance, is that wrong?

2:41:17Raj Shamani:I don't think in terms of right and wrong most of the time. I think that you either believe that you're the creator of your life or you don't. And I really don't care. People come to our work for all kinds of reasons. They come to get healthy or to heal. They come to become wealthy or abundant. They come for love, a relationship. They come for a new life, a new career. They come for a mystical experience. They come for community. It doesn't matter to me why people come. I think the divine accepts all possibilities, right? But what is important is for them to learn how to create. And if it's abundance, so be it.

2:42:05Raj Shamani:If it's health, so be it. If it's romance, so be it. It doesn't matter. But what I will tell you, that most people who actually create the life that they want, and they finally reach the life that they want, the first thing they do when they reach that life is they become very generous. They want to give everything that they've worked so hard to create to someone else or make a difference in someone else's life. To make a difference, to have a vision or a mission or a purpose that's bigger than them. So what we discovered, though, is the reason that people really come more than anything else is for wholeness.

2:42:44Raj Shamani:imagine you feel so whole that you no longer want imagine you feel so whole that you no longer have that lack where you feel like you need to make more money so wholeness then how could you want when you feel whole right it's impossible and that's kind of a great state to be in because when you feel whole that's when you no longer have to get up and work so hard to do something to get what you want. When you feel whole, somehow things come to you, right? Instead of creating from lack or separation, creating from wholeness just shortens the distance between the thought of what you want and the experience of having it, right?

2:43:24Raj Shamani:And when you're shortening those distances, you're proving to yourself on some level that you're the creator. Now, to answer your first question. Children and young people that are exposed to their environment, which is primarily their caregivers, whether it's their parents or their grandparents, we have neurons in our brain called mirror neurons. And mirror neurons are empathy neurons. When you feed a baby, you kind of pick the spoon up and you go like this. You do that and the baby opens their mouth. You don't think you're doing that, but you're doing that. And the baby's actually modeling your behavior, right yeah so that's a fundamentally simple one a lioness who's training her cubs how to hunt when she's stalking the predator the prey the same circuits in the brain that the mother is using the lioness is using to stalk the prey the same circuits are being primed in the three cubs that she's priming the brain for that behavior right you're exposed to your parents and you see a lot of financial hardships.

2:44:30Raj Shamani:That is what's going in. The younger you are when that happens, the more it starts to program people subconsciously. Why? Because when you're a child, your brainwaves are a lot slower. And the first seven to 12 years of your life, you're not in beta. You're in delta, theta, and alpha. And so there's no editor. Everything's going in without being encoded in any way. It's just going straight in, right? So unencoded, nothing's going in unencoded. It's all on some level making its way subconsciously right back to the subconscious mind. So money is the root of all evil. We never have enough money. We have to work hard to be a success.

2:45:15Raj Shamani:That is the information that's going in subconsciously programming a person so a person who's exposed to that may make up their mind and say i will never ever live my life in lack i don't care if i have to study and get 10 degrees i don't care what i have to do but i'm never going to live like my parents or never going to live like and lack like that other people just go this is normal uh this is what my reality is and i can't get any better than this. It's programmed in their subconscious. It turns out the subconscious mind runs the show, right? So the person may consciously want to be wealthy or abundant, but they're subconsciously programmed into, you know, the experience of lack, right?

2:46:00Raj Shamani:And so what is the soul's journey then? You may think, oh, the person should become abundant then. No. What it really is, is the person should change the program. And when they change the program from lack, and they're no longer in that state any longer, the abundance is the side effect of their change, right? So I have no opinion on abundance. I think everybody should be abundant. But what is your definition of abundance? Really, for me, it's having more than I need. So much more than I need that when I give you something, it's not a big deal. Because I know that I have way more, or I can make more or create more.

2:46:42Raj Shamani:So I don't have a problem giving. Abundant people do not have a problem giving. Now, some people may have a definition of abundance where they want to be able to do whatever they want with whoever they want as many times as they want, wherever they want. That's totally fine with me. But in time, if you're truly on the path, your definition will always change, right? And because you think abundance is just about an abundance of money? What about abundance of time? What about abundance of freedom? What about abundance of love? What about abundance of friends? What about abundance of mystical experience, abundance of opportunities?

2:47:24Raj Shamani:You don't need money, you need opportunities. Abundance of synchronicities, abundance of virtue. I mean, we should never limit our definition of abundance to just be about financial wealth. People say to me, well, I have this great idea. I want to create this business, but I don't have any money. And I always say to them, why do you need money? You need opportunity. What's the opportunity that you need? Focus on the opportunity. Forget the money. People just have it framed in a certain way. And then the last point is your relationship with money. I have a great relationship with money. I've always had a great relationship with money.

2:48:05Raj Shamani:I've always felt like I could create money. It was never a thing for me. But I have a good relationship with money because I'm really clear. And then what I want to do more than anything else is I want to be loyal to the people that are loyal to me. my team my staff i grow you grow that's my i want everybody around me to love their job i want my children to feel like they have more than they need they're adults now but i don't want i i want them to understand how to create that and i want and i want to be able to have people who love their job and work for me share the same mission and vision like we're making a difference in the world.

2:48:49Raj Shamani:Like that's a vision that's bigger than me. Like it's not about me any longer. I never want this to be about me. I want it to be about you. I want you to prove to yourself that you can do it. And when you arrive there, the first thing you're going to do is you're going to go into your parents' home and you're going to say, take this. And you're going to go and see your family and say, I want to do this for you. And that's exactly what abundant people do. I've watched it happen. People in our community that were bankrupt, that were running from the authorities that came out of jail that didn't have two dollars to rub together.

2:49:23Raj Shamani:These are words they all used. You know, multi-million dollar people right now. I was at a restaurant with one of them. This guy was in trouble. He was running. And he just had a huge change. He created all this abundance. And he was wearing this beautiful gold and diamond necklace. And the waiter was watching him the whole time. At the end of the meal, he took the necklace off and he handed it to the waiter. He just winked at him. The waiter was freaked out. And I looked at him, he said, I created another one. Like, what's the big deal? Like, what is the big deal? Right? So your definition of abundance should never stop evolving as you evolve.

2:50:10Raj Shamani:And so frame it in a way that's inclusive. Frame it in a way that like everybody that's created abundance in our work, they realized like, oh my God, I just thought it was about money. No, no, no, no. When I started thinking about what I wanted to create for everybody, it was no longer a selfish motivation. The highest form of motivation is duty motivation or mission motivation, where you're considering the whole making a difference and just it's not about you when you get up in the morning and you have a mission it's very different than when you get up in the morning and you have to make money

2:50:50Dr Joe Dispenza:you know i'll tell you the definition i have with the abundance i almost have sometimes i think about i've created this where i give a lot to my parents to my family to the people who are working with me and i'm but then i also take that as a duty and a responsibility that i need to be working so much and i need to create so much more so that i can probably give it to more people and help more people and it's almost like it's constant battle where one side i'm like i'm doing it for people and it's good that i'm creating more wealth for everybody around me and then at the same time i'm like like if if not me then who will do it

2:51:41Raj Shamani:yeah and i think i think that um you'll evolve with that i mean i'm a very generous person but i also i only will uh i i only will do it when i feel like a person is ready or they're they appreciate it uh and and i think the greatest form of gratitude that you'll ever, ever receive in your life is when you receive gratitude from somebody else. That's the greatest feeling when a person is authentic and goes, my God, you changed my life. So I think there's timing and there's order and you need to, you know, there's a kind of a moment where you know. And because I think human nature, then people become dependent on people who give and then that doesn't feel good any longer.

2:52:27Raj Shamani:So I think you're young enough and open enough where you've created a certain amount, but I think your discernment and knowing when to do that and who to do it with will just continue to evolve. Because sometimes it's not about family. Sometimes it's just finding somebody on the street and just saying, hey, come on, let me just buy you a cup of coffee and feed you. Like, I think those, like when I study near-death experiences, when people review their life, the most important things that they say are not the amount of money they make or any of that stuff. It's just that moment where they change someone's life.

2:53:04Raj Shamani:Where that person was struggling and they just said the right thing or did something for them at the right time. And they saw how that changed that person and how it changed how they were with their children and how the children changed and how their timelines changed. and everything changed because of that moment. So I think it works in mysterious ways, right? It doesn't only have to be with taking care of the people that we love because if we're doing it out of obligation or we're doing it for any other reason than to truly give, I think it'll ultimately change you.

2:53:35Dr Joe Dispenza:Do you think top 0.01 % people who are the top athletes, the World Cup champions, the Olympic winners, the entrepreneurs, the multi-billionaires, Do you think these people, they go to retreats like these, practice gratitude, meditation? Yeah, I can tell you that for a fact.

2:53:57Raj Shamani:Absolutely.

2:53:58Dr Joe Dispenza:Or are they like wired differently to just keep sort of winning certain thing and be obsessed with what they have and don't even care about all of these things?

2:54:05Raj Shamani:It's very difficult to categorize at this point. But I will tell you, I've sat with billionaires more than one. And the first line they said to me is, we are miserable. We are in agony. We can't even enjoy a sunset. And I have sat with professional athletes that have come to our work that have a standard of excellence that is so high and so precise. And they're still unhappy in their life. And I say take that same discipline and turn it in on you. Turn it in on you. Not like your craft. Not like your sport. But turn that in on you when I tell you to open your heart and get your brain organized.

2:54:50Raj Shamani:Take what you've developed in terms of great habits and skills to get you where you are. And now turn it in on you and make yourself a work of art. Make yourself your project.

2:55:04Dr Joe Dispenza:And I've interviewed like a lot of these people and I asked them these questions and a lot of them believe in visualization. But almost nobody has talked about anything beyond that. Is there a reason they don't talk about it or do you think they don't do it? Are you talking about athletes or just anybody? Just anybody. Who's at like top 0.01 % of their game, whatever game they're playing.

2:55:31Raj Shamani:Yeah, I think the majority of those people spend a certain amount of time alone, which I think is so healthy. I spend a lot of time alone. I need that because the rest of the time I'm serving. And they're always learning and always going back, breaking down what they've done and going at it again, like rebuilding it again. They have a model and they just say, you know, I've done this really well. How am I going to get to the next level for me? Okay, it's no longer about who I'm competing against. It's about me, right? So if you look at just use a professional athlete as an example. You have a professional athlete run a 40 meter dash or 40 yard dash.

2:56:14Raj Shamani:The majority of them run pretty much pretty close to the same speed. But what makes that very small percentage of a professional athlete great is their mind. It's just that willingness to stay a little longer, go again, work it out, not get frustrated. The athlete who loves the game, like really loves the game, when they have a great shot, they love the game. when they have a bad shot they just say i still love the game all right i'm gonna try again like they don't they don't undermine themselves with a bad attitude or a reaction and that's been cultured in them and so what comes with that is a lot of humility right instead of arrogance what comes with that is a certain level of self-awareness now what comes with that is an uncompromising will what comes with that is understanding that you have to put in your time you have to put in your time and where where you may want may want to stop may not be the point to stop right there's just that next level and we've all done this in our life where you're just like i'm not satisfied i gotta go again yeah and i think that's how people heal also it's the same thing it's the same principles at work true okay here's my last question it is lovely talking to

2:57:45Dr Joe Dispenza:you if if somebody's watching this right now wherever they are in maybe a good state or a miserable state if you want them to just pick up one conversation or one thing from this entire podcast what would it be and what would you want them to feel not think not believe what do you want them to feel after listening to this conversation uh maybe like nothing changes

2:58:11Raj Shamani:in our life until we change and change is the most constant thing in the universe and you can either wait for the crisis the trauma the diagnosis to change you know when you're at your lowest level you can learn and change in a state of pain and suffering or you can learn and change in a state of joy and inspiration. Either way, the model is that when you change, your life changes. So if you can invest a little time in your life in asking yourself the important question, who do I want to be in my life? How do I want to live my life? What do I want in my life? Instead of turning on your cell phone, getting distracted, discipline yourself to take an hour to answer those questions.

2:58:59Raj Shamani:Write it down, review it, change it, get very clear on it, and spend a certain amount of time nurturing whatever that dream is. Think of the people in your life that you admire, and start behaving differently. Start making different choices. Think about the choices that they may make and how you may want to make those choices. And then at a certain level, you got to trust the unknown. Because for most people, it's a scary place, but the unknown never lets us down, especially if we have to believe in ourselves. So I don't think anybody is so special to be excluded from this. You can't tell me you're too old to do this work.

2:59:39Raj Shamani:I've seen our elders with beautiful brain scans and beautiful heart scans, beautiful biological changes. You can't tell me you're too sick to do this work. I've seen really sick people heal from all kinds of conditions. you can't tell me you're too broke i've seen people manifest all kinds of wealth in their life you can't tell me that you never meditated before i've seen people that never meditated before have beautiful changes in their biology and in their life and you know you you can't even say i've had a miserable past my life is falling apart and it'll never ever work because i've seen people come from really, really horrific paths and live a completely different life.

3:00:20Raj Shamani:So, try it out. Like, try it out. Just dedicate a certain amount of time to investing in yourself and believing in yourself and be defined by that vision of your future instead of the memories of the past and make time to tell the story of your future instead of the story of your past and see where that leads you one coincidence one synchronicity one opportunity is going to prove to you that

3:00:48Dr Joe Dispenza:you're the creator of your life thank you so much you're welcome thank you so much for doing this and thank you so much for doing the work which is impacting millions of lives and there are so many people who are seeing magic happen because of what you teach and what you do so thank you so much for keep doing it and i just want to say this that maybe during the conversation i must have felt like a cynic at some point but i'm a big believer of visualization i'm a big believer of creating your new reality i sit down with myself very often almost every day where i think about how i'm going to create my future and what that reality looks like in fact before every pod because i was almost rehearsing in my own brain and i could see you doing certain things like snapshot and all of that and it happened and i'm thank you so much for doing this i'm a big believer of visualization it has impacted my life a lot no of course you are i mean you're the

3:01:48Raj Shamani:example of it i think you're you were speaking to the critics yeah that really will argue for their limitations on some level and it's healthy to do that because i'm a practical person like My mother was a very practical person. And it has to be practical. You have to, on some level, understand it, that it could possibly be the truth. And what if it was the truth? What if it was the truth that you could create your life or you could uncreate something in your life and recreate something else in your life? What if it's the truth? So I appreciate that. I understand why you do it. And I'm aware that you are.

3:02:30Dr Joe Dispenza:Thank you so much. Hey, God. It's nice to meet you. Please come and come here.

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