Suicide Bombers, Honey Trap, Indian Army, War & Ind Vs Pak - Col Kaushal Kashyap | FO378 Raj Shamani

37:25and you have accepted it in administrative services. How can you? And you sir, after this operation, we have deal of 40 ,000 crores of defense exports in Asia. Indian made drones, Indian made missiles, Indian made logistics. All India made. Plus, we have deal of satellite in Israel. We will launch 50 satellites. And not for smaller nations, for countries like USA, Singapore, France. yeah israel launch to make this this is huge very very huge you know i was reading about it ki kisibhi country ke liye war mein jeetne ke liye here khud ko strengthen karne ke liye past type ki intelligence huti jis basically they rely on so first is human intelligence ki wapne log israel plant karte second is signals intelligence ki jab bhi war hota hai to bici me signals intercept karke dousro communication nikal ke karte then geospatial intelligence that through satellite you can see what movement was happening about nuclear usually and basis any confirmation these things cannot lie then imagery intelligence where images maps photos like we had their state funeral that's imagery intelligence and then there is open source intelligence that openly publicly what information available in countries about these things, you take them and gather them.

38:53And if you look at it in this particular small war or small engagement that happened between India and Pakistan, India has gone a lot further. Like, all these five intelligence has become so strong and so strong, which is amazing. And now, the world's other countries, power, superpowers, doesn't want India to teach us, India give us. Yeah. Which is amazing. If the world is learning from us we have come long way because two countries divided by one time so one is how they are looking at it and one is five intelligence. It's been now applauded in the world. Yeah. Very true. I felt I was like more than everything that we have done.

39:41I think this is a remarkable milestone for our country that our power, muscle defense, intelligence, means that the whole world is taking us from the world. One is to pay friends. One is to buy money from the world. That means that actually we have something good. That's why the world is buying from us. We are no more the importers now. This is something that has happened and it's very good. We have started manufacturing a lot of these. Over the years. Now we are at the right place. You cannot fight a battle. As a soldier, when something happens, What's the feeling from inside? I left the force quickly.

40:24Waited for 20 years.

40:28We left it. Or I'm not going to fight. But yes. I really felt that. I was like, I was like, I was like. No, no. I mean, we are better than we are. You want to be part of such a thing. You want to be part of that. I was joined the force, the force was joined the force, I was told that I was going to go back. I was going to go back. And when we were going back, we were going to go back. Have you seen a luxury movie? Yes. In a luxury movie, there is a dialogue where they say, that I have a struggle with Pakistan. People are going to fight against the pilot, and then they are going to fight. So, after winning, don't do something on those grounds.

41:14Do you believe that? that we should not be able to win this was very good but this is there throughout always combat you cannot be able to win the most casually when we go out on operations it's very little because you're very careful slowly slowly once you're getting back then everybody knows that you're going back especially when you have got success 2-3 militer killed 4-5 militer they have to take them to come and get them to come. In case you have casualties, you are stuck to some roads, tracks. So, the most important casualties are there. Do you think Pakistan will do something? Now I don't think.

41:57Now I don't think. Now there is something to do something. Always India doesn't do the attack. It comes from somewhere and then we give it a response. Our policy is not going to do anything. We don't provoke people to do certain things. do you think now this is a right strategy this is our genes this is our mindset you never never right from Alexander he came here all these who came to raids these guys came here the Mughals came here the Mughals we haven't gone Portuguese came here Britishers came here, Mughals came here Why? Because we have got damn fertile area Sona Ogane wala that is our if you go to places like if you have seen that Vikings Vikings they went and Europe they were eating in Europe so why did they do it?

43:02Because Vikings didn't have food for them they wanted to get to get food for them so where they are we have had such all fertile lands we never had to go we were happy we were happy we were all sitting and yes that is why we have suffered but then we have always been able to give them a bloody nose and that's how civilizations work but is it time that we change our approach and be like god damn it we have done that there is a national objective if I ask you what is the objective of the country growth economic growth why do we have to get into war and unnecessary with someone else with Pakistan it doesn't come to Pakistan it doesn't come to any way it doesn't come to Pakistan so why do we actually have to get into them and even discuss anything this is why they did something like which is unforgiving so we had to give them a bloody nose so we had to kill them and after they were killed they were not so that's why they had to show something so they had to show something so they had to kill them and they had to tell them actually realized what's happening they had to tell them and they had to tell them please do it please do it so they did it because we did not our intention not that you take over to Pakistan.

44:39Yeah. There's no meaning. There's no meaning. And you know something unfortunate happened. And that sometimes it doesn't have to be like someone's. But if it happens to someone's. What do I mean by that is that if a civil man or a normal person like me or our viewers is him.

45:08If we are stuck at some place and something happened here, if we are in a hotel where something happened, or a tourist place, where something happened, or we have seen this activity happening, unfortunately, I just wish and hope that it never happens. Yeah. But if it happens, what are the first three steps to a civilian to do a first attack? Look, it just varies from place to place. Are you in a building? Things are going to be slightly different. You're in a place like there will be something else in the first place. But first and most important is you have to understand what is happening. In our forge, a thing that is taught, OODA loop.

45:58OODA loop is observe, orient. observe, orient, decide and act. Act. These fighter pilots were the one for them. The one who first observe, orient, understand what's going on, decide and then you act. Whoever has got this faster OODA cycle, he is the one who is going to survive. The OODA loop is the four things that are fast. He will survive and will perish. So, the first thing to see is that you observe yourself. First of all, you know that you were running on the other side. There was someone else. If somebody is open fire, you have to first understand that this is a terrorist attack. Is someone being shot in marriage?

46:43Or what happened?

46:47Most important would be to get away. You should go there. If you go there, the forces come, energy comes. If there is a building type of area, then there is something like the Taj. 850 rooms it's time to clear it's time to clear it's very easier said than done every door that you open you get inside if there is someone he's going to shoot at you he doesn't know how this door will come when you go inside what do you know you have to clear 50 rooms you are going onto the 51st one can you just go grenade fake can you be in a civilian? So it's going to take time for you to clear the entire thing. It's going to take time for the forces to clear the entire thing.

47:38So best is if you can take it out in a safe area, that should be the priority. And for that, what I said, observe, observe and understand the picture is necessary. Where is action? Where is it? Is there a fire going? So anyone, if you go anywhere, it is not a bad idea to know that it exists where it is. whether it's hotel, building, plane, hospital, whatever emergency exit in buildings it's more because your chances of getting trapped is much more in a place like Pahlgaam people suddenly just got what an open area you will run 200-300 meters you will see somebody can engage you so there will be a different type of problem I was reading some families who went from the jungle who didn't know I don't know.

48:28Those who initially targeted they had no chance. But yes, if you are in the side then it's best to just get away. Get away and communicate whatever you have emergency phone numbers if you have a army or a nearest company or a police call them and get away and just be observant. There are children as far as possible. You know there's a strategical act dead. Do you think that it had to do? Lie down and act dead. It doesn't work. It can work when you are completely depressed. But I won't say that you will try the first thing. Okay, it will go again. Like, you will beat three balls. Okay, so it may not work.

49:16Because it knows that someone will be acting. And, yeah. So, I won't recommend it. But yes, it can happen. that you are in a restaurant in one exit and you are sitting at exit he is probably shot 20 you can act dead there is no other option where you will get from is it not it is very difficult to say that you have the formula Colonel Keshav told you but then you have to observe but I would say first thing should be to try and get away should people try to find out something down there and then try to attack do something like that civilian why not there is no manual for exiting this there is no manual what is with you this is very difficult to tell it takes a lot of courage and also if you haven't practiced it's not going to work first time but weapon का किसी भी weapon का कमजोरी यह है कि if I am close मैं अगर आपके हाथ के range में आपके पिस्टल है मैं आपका हाथ पकर लेता हूँ then very little आप कुछ कर सकते हैं मैं आपको यहाँ से distance maintain करता हूँ तो I can engage you और अगर मैं आपके pass आगया you can touch my pistol so it's not much work same thing if I have a K and I can come really close so I can get a K then that is but again that's for someone like you because you have engaged in a day and you have been doing training somebody like us it will be very difficult and what happens when you have a high stressful situation and fear then you have amygdala hijack so amygdala hijack is brain like two parts how to get out.

51:13One is prefrontal cortex, one is amygdala. One is that you have a smart decision to take your work, think about it, and think about it, what you said, you have to take it, take it, take it, take it, take the situation and take it. And one is flight or fight. One is that I'm scared of a lot of things. I've been scared of a lot of things and then I've been scared of a lot of things. And then I've been scared of a lot of things. And 99 % of people with their amygdala hijackers, it's a little bit fearful situation. you know the brain gets heard everything is freeze everything is freeze everything is freeze no matter what to do and at that time maybe the opportunity of running is freeze or maybe it was you could kill but you don't know what to do you don't know you don't know when death is very clear you don't know anything I have seen some people the militants I am talking about what happens you are saying suddenly you open fire there are some of them who are absolutely lost that I don't know what happened what happened because they did not realize what's happening how did the forge come here suddenly when you go and hit them their brain's part of their body freeze I have seen a raid we had militant camp and we didn't know where we were just stumbled over it and there was a jungle one of the commanders he was running in the jungle he was running in open He is running in open.

52:40He is running in open. He is running in open. He is running in open. How can he do that? That is exactly what happened. If he is running on the other side, he is running in the jungle. You can't see it. If he is running in open, 200 meters, we are not so bad. There is a training in your NSG where the target is just passed. I would sit without a bulletproof jacket. Just to take a shot. Exactly what you're saying. It's like...

53:16I'm firing on this line. And the other one is there are targets in a row. I'm firing on my target. Somebody else goes. I'm firing on my target. He's going to check. He's coming back. He's firing on my line. He's going to check. It happens like this. But again... We've done it. But some of this may be stupid. okay confidence on where it's a place I've lost a very close friend like that no, that was something unimaginable that was somewhere else sitting in the other range and there was a ball and one freak incident and one freak incident and then it hit it then it feels when you lose a close friend then you feel that what is it?

53:56I mean if this range and then the ball and then the ball and then the ball and then the ball can hit it it's not worth you do something like that the fact is if someone tries to try it listening to my own he has to understand that you are firing where are you when you are firing when you are firing behind your butt area there are rocks in a rock someone is hitting your balls are going to go back you are not going to hit him but if you are hitting one bullet recovers there is danger do these people we have been doing stupid work we have done stupid work we have done this we have done this we have we have fired from one another we have fired from one another means yeah that means that you are standing in the lower side yeah you said glass glass i have not fired but i have not fired apple apple personally not when when you are dealing with firearms I've heard my friend Jacob you know him so his father did this he's again in 9-11 special forces and he's also written a book he was drinking in a bar so a youngster comes and he talks so he had a good weapon he said it's very good and if you want to go out he's standing

55:26and he shoots that glass off

55:37and this guy somehow he misses and he gets a shot here I'm talking about Major Vivek Jacob he was again Colonel Jacob he gets shot here still in his senses he says your feature will be opened you guys go and he goes to his room he writes a suicide note and he just lies down there waiting to die these guys come back pick him up take him to a hospital luckily it misses everything and he survives these are crazy people if I am not mistaken this is Winston Churchill's there is a specific place for mad men in war paagal people or sanki people are very important so where will the sanki people come from?

57:01when you have such tasks who are into so much of reasoning or so much of who risk is afraid so what will you work in your special forces? so it is people like this men like this who will take that kind of a leap who will take that kind of a risk jumping out of an aircraft perfectly fine aircraft he's going to be walking somewhere he's going you're taking the camera and you're flying like someone will fly you'll tell me that you are going to Delhi from Bombay. You are going to give me something from Delhi. Where is it going? Nothing is going to be changed. Where will it land? At night you will fall from the dust.

57:41There is a stone down. There is a stone in the woods. There is a little bit of a stone. You need to land on firm ground. There is a little bit of a stone. Your knees and ankles can just snap like this. So what I am trying to say is that this is a little kink. It is a little bit of a kink. be necessary. You can do something like this which is the country's need. Would you consider yourself with a little madness? I don't think it's enough. I don't know. I've heard a lot of stories that I've heard. There's a special thing which is called battle breathing. Yeah. When you're in close encounters for 4 hours you know it's a high tense situation.

58:26That battle breathing keeps you calm. Is there something like that? Are you trained specially that in those situations how you will be able to keep yourself? Yeah. We don't exactly do it in the name of battle breathing. We do more of visualization. You panic in a situation when you have not been able to, when you have not gone through it. If you haven't prepared yourself, if you haven't prepared yourself, then you go through that kind of a situation. Walk me step by step. How do you prepare yourself before war or before? Before encounter? So, how do you keep yourself in this situation where you know that the smoke can be killed and die.

59:02The first thing is panic when you don't have any force and you don't have to do it. If you have to do it once again, you will not panic. Then it becomes like a drill. So our whole goal is to make it like a drill. We have to do it to force and visualize. When new troops came,

59:42I will open fire.

59:58How is he going to respond? He's going to run. Somebody else is going to fire from there. And the fire will look like this. How will it see? The fire will look like this. Then I have to get up. I have to get up and go there. If I can get up and fire from there, then how will it fire? How will I see? I'm going for a raid. I'm closing in slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly. The last 50 meters. What will I see? How will I move? When I fire, what will I do? Or I'm closing in. There's a santri. He fires. how will I feel? I will do what I will do. So when you go through it, whatever you fire in the range, then you are practicing such things.

1:00:38Then you don't panic. And when you go on operations, you try to keep the new lot, keep it in the back, keep it in the back, keep it in the back. It gets experience one or two times. When you play the ball, it gets a little bit different. Exactly. Because, see, visualization works a lot of times. What do you do? How do you do it? I'm a big believer of visualization. But I draw parallels and I'll negotiate to make it more relatable for people. I'll visualize how I'm going to go on stage and I'll give a speech. So I'll think I'll go here and I'll say and I'll say this and I'll say it. People will laugh and laugh and laugh.

1:01:17It's an emotion. Maybe someone hasn't reacted to it. What do I have to do? My word will be delivered. It's basic. So I know a drill. Or what will happen? Max will happen. end-match-salis not break so for me to be more visualized or wrong chances are very low if I'm prepared to do it you guys can do it how much visualize you have thought that the goal will be 3 minutes and then the second will be up so combat is not easy but when you have planning so you have so much in detail you have to try everything you try above there are changes like you are saying there are changes which you have planned but then game you win that is adaptable which is adaptable which is adaptable but then that is the best that you can do you win that is why the special forces get the maximum combat every time they go and that's the best you can do but do you control your mindset breathing in some way that's what's going on what's going on for this is the best we take them for them who don't panic yeah yeah yeah yes how do you test that that person is not afraid that he is not afraid you are also afraid of operations in the probation he is going out on operations like when we were doing operations we were going out which is as close like a mine field you are going inside the IED field you are going to strike the militant camps if someone is afraid then you will not go ahead you are going ahead you know that militant camp there will be their absolutes!

1:02:53And the book out obvious about fields one day... and he will be killed and then out more than that. But chicken trees will kill and... and then you also move onto the way too. Because you are trying to close in... and be the first one... to detect that If it gets over... God says... Then you move... I am exactly not telling you... but you find something without... concern about and failing... You know... a special forces come people who are fear not fear I will say fear is me too but who is fear there

1:03:33are many things there fear of failure fear of leading your men fear of making a flap where your friends are there fear there is a biggest fear when you go war of not being able to achieve your mission which is going to be very bad death so you are not afraid of dying you are not afraid of hurting yourself dying will come I will not be foolhardy I will do foolish work I will do I will do this I keep telling this I've told in number of I don't know if you have said I would have spoken about this if a dog fights a shark who is going to win? Depends on where the fight has been fought. Same if a eagle fights a bat who is going to win?

1:04:32It depends if I'm fighting or if I'm fighting at night. So special forces guy it's not that what will I take my militant for 4 days of training we don't go like that. if you fight a battle he wants you to fight if you fall for his trap if you fall for his bait you had it no matter how good or bad you may be you may be artificial intelligence sponsored commando special forces whatever you have to fight there and try to fight like that you are screwed so you have to fight a battle that you are strong you understand I hope I have been able to answer what you are saying. So, I'm afraid. I'm planning this way.

1:05:21My whole planning is that how the enemy wants you to fight. What does he want? He's a militant. He's a terrorist. He wants something. If he's in the building, he wants to come from here. If you're going from there, you're ahead of it. So you have to do something. Combat is all in the words it will be bad for listening but yes combat is all about how you fool your enemy seriously combat is all about how to make a bevokuf if you have not made a bevokuf then you are going to face casualty and how to make a bevokuf I will give you a historical example again I have seen it many times the Vietnam War during the Vietnam War General Vaughan Gyaap NGUAP or something that's how his name is written.

1:06:14So he was given everything from the Russians. Russians said what you need to tell us. We will give you everything. With trucks and helicopters to beat the Americans. He said that I will not. Because if I have taken you then what will I become? I will become the inferior brother of what the US is doing. My cars here convoy and if the aircraft will be strong they will bombard me and have me so I will not fight the battle the way the enemy is fighting they had a series of tunnels they had a series of tunnels where they were where they were logistic columns crossed till the end of war they didn't know how they were in the supply logistics maintained how they were fighting because Because they were fighting a different battle.

1:07:11Do you understand? I'm going to do something. So that's how it is. If you fight the same battle as you want to fight for the battle, give me an example of how you have fought a battle. But yes, I have been part of terrorist organization. I have stayed with them. I will not tell you much in detail. But yes, the government has been I trusted the type of army. And it was not to kill militants. It was not to kill them. But yes, we have operated like them. And before that, I had infiltrated, meaning being part of a lot of nexus. We'll talk about where we'll talk about with different cover story that I've come from there, I need something like that.

1:08:02And in one operation, I had actually gone and sat in one of the, militant camps I'm eating with them and then we launched an operation people knew me as a militant and we were operating but what changes have you got in yourself in your language everything I knew the language and all but my language I speak Hindi so I speak English so you understand that in the local dialect it's very different you have to learn your living your looks your body language everything gives you away if you walk like a cheetah most times you will get you will get so your body language which you talk to which you sleep which you sit which you talk to civilians everything there's a lot it is it's just not easy it's of course but okay God has been kind our team was very good what did you learn in this experience there was another thing also I will tell you there was another challenge that we were facing in this it wasn't too hugely successful there was a particular community which was being targeted a river there is a belt riverine area and there are a lot of islands so these guys were being targeted targeted so how do you plan there and if you have to reach there it will take you five six hours because you have to go to a ferry point ferry point ferry say you cross until the world knows that you have to reach here so I with a little bit we got inside like we got to trade poultry trade with all that cages and stuff like that we stayed for good about a month just to be present there if where there what happened there?

1:10:03This particular community we just moved in. There were many strikes so our team moved around. So we moved there and when I met the police there was this guy who was sitting there and he was very afraid that there was nothing of police. Yesterday someone comes and if we shoot our families and if we shoot our families we already got so many warnings. So what are you going to do? Police can't be able to reach every place. can't reach there. There are small islands in every place. So, they could not. And I was sitting there and it certainly struck me that why don't you just do something. And as he came out and I got to get him so he provided us a little help and we went inside and there was a whole game and we were sitting there.

1:10:54We were very close but then somehow kill nahi hua success honne ka la apko bhoat saare cheeze hooti hai success hua douser operation mein hua but is mein directly directly is mein ne hua ne to but then for a month and lo guess nhi gar paai lo guess nhi gar paai kase gaon wale dikho ga your belt is different I was not always like this I was not always like this and but douser body language chale ki aapko heart cheese conceal karna hai you but aapko physicality as changed eating in my army in my infractف 50-50 брains pull ups do you go to going for wedding свnh

1:11:43all that world is completely someone say to someone and say that I am a person and then you have a dedication on how much you absorb it and how it goes and goes and talks. The world is completely different. As an officer, the world is different. As that simple guy, the world is different. People will not talk to you like they talk to me now. But you have to role play as actors. Something you have left and you have to do acting. acting we can't acting we can't same same same same the day we were coming out a small room that must be one fourth of the room that we are sitting in inside and we were all prepared we were waiting because you have to go by a boat which is the ferries you go to your boat and people will see suddenly who is now they relate that this was from the ferry.

1:12:45And we were sitting there. We were waiting for the ferry. And in that room, six police officers came with AK-47s. No police guy. We have our weapons concealed. I have kept on the bed. And all of them come. And what are you doing? Who is it? You understand? I can't even tell them. I can't tell them who I am. if I tell them the surprise is entirely lost if people know then you have there and if someone sees my weapon because my weapon is completely ready round in the chamber or AC action and if he sees he thinks I am wolf and he fires then those 6 and our people are the exchange of fire can you imagine and then he is quizzing me he does quiz me he asks me who is in the village in the house.

1:13:40So I had a cover story luckily. Who is in the house? Is the school gone or not? Who is the father? In the details of the details. So yeah, you have to go into At what point do you guys break? I don't think. I've not seen anyone break. I've not seen anyone break. Can you walk your way out of death? Talk your way out of death. If someone comes to the house, now you know that you're here. पर ये मारवार देगा अब तो सामने बाना अब मैं सिर्फ इस क्यास वैपन है ये मार देगा कुछ बात करके को समझा हुजू के कुछ manipulation technique उस करके करके के नहीं हो हुआ है किस आपके साथ यहाँ बताओ I was talking about the operation where I was actually a militant and we had no plan of that operation that you have to kill militants it was some other strategic ambitions or objectives so I had to get in touch with a commander and us ko pata karke usse dhusti karne thi

1:14:56and jiasse aapne bata ya tha ki I had a guy who was in the organization uske saath hum group bun karke uske bodyguards type thim and rath this commander comes to a particular house and he has taken us and there is a house and there is a house and there is a wall connected it would have been very difficult for me identify that there is a person in this house. Even if you tell you. Not which one, we are reaching there. My person is outside. And there is a commander inside his bodyguard with his bodyguard. He goes to his person and talks after he calls me. He calls me. Come. I'll call you inside.

1:15:42And come without weapon. Those guys are armed. My person is also that is also an organization. You never know when they turn. And they are more than you. If anyone has mentioned that this is a force, can you imagine? What will we do? And there is such an incident when the officer is in and he has taken it and then they start negotiating with the troops. Yes, the other people are outside. So, you are in and out of that? Without weapons? No. Their saying and my saying. We don't have so much we don't have to say. They say, I'm going to go without a weapon. I'm going to go without a weapon. But then they didn't know how to do it.

1:16:37Luckily they didn't know how to do it. Because they were very tense kind of. We were talking about that person. We were convinced for someone. It wasn't that convinced. I go inside and then we get into to a negotiation. He sat on the table. He kept his pistol down. He stood with a person. And I was unarmed. At least he thought so. And when we talk. He told me that you were watching. No. So you went and talked. The other story. But yes, I think. But talking. It came from what you asked. Can you talk through? Somehow I could manage. But not necessarily. for every situation in each situation. There is a manipulating technique where you can talk about.

1:17:22It is all presence of mine. It is all that you have kept your story strong. How much you have thought of in depth. How much you have understood the front. How much you have kept home work. How much you have checked the background. I was lucky that it could have happened that my friend was double-played and he was being replaced with him. So these were three men. I was in the room. An experiment was done. psychology in the Milgram experiment. The conclusion of that that when you talk with normal people with authority, you can listen to your story. People are conditioned to authority that they don't think right or wrong, they can push you and accept and change.

1:18:02Then authority is used. And these principles, the US special agents are used when they are last federal agent or CIA or whoever, last resort, up has gone, you know something not. At that time, there are so many authorities that they can power over-power and then most of the time they get saved. Because they feel like if they have said it, they will leave something. Do you think that works? Authorities, say it. Yeah, confidence. The latest confidence. If you speak something confidently, people will... If you have more and more people will break up over-power. In some people, there are inquisitiveness

1:18:48but most will take with confidence you that's bullshit you're confident you're like people believe you just give statistics so confidently and it works it works that's a different gift of gap that's a different color altogether it's not but then somehow I've been lucky at sometimes. Of course you have it. You were an officer, you were demanding, you were commanding a unit. So, you will see a particular authority from a particular authority. No, I'm talking about gift of gab. No, but maybe your gift of gab was only straight fact that you were talking about authority. Yeah. He will not question your power.

1:19:30He will give it to you. He will give it to you. Like this class is a very relatable example. Like there are college fights there are children's fights in which one says that don't kill, if you have killed then I will give you a sword tomorrow 15 people also leave one person and one person is scared that I don't know if I will do something tomorrow that confidence makes you do something first time when you attacked or engaged tell me what your first kill is this was 2004 Manipur Manipur's dynamics was also में भी अभी तो थोड़ा सा बीच में बिलकुल हमने stable कर दिया था मानीपूर में एक बीच में valley है and it is surrounded by hills most of the hills areas were liberated junts जहां parallel government चलता था जहांपे militants अपना recruitment rally चलाते थे militants अपना recruitment rally हााा बसे चलाते है medical camp चलाते है recruitment rally is a force who is and who is like this house was so army moved in and army started operations so one of the operations army faced some setback we lost an officer and 3-4 other ranks and they bulletproof jacket and that is when our special forces unit was moved and classical

1:21:04we went into a place that is a bad place it's surrounded by hills and the militants come out and make a mess and in the night you're asleep in the trends and you're not sure how it goes and there was a madras unit and the CEO of the camera was a rocket launcher sorry, RPG round luckily it didn't blast so the fire was like at night and our good news started just before this unit had seen a lot of action in jammu and kashmir but in jammu and kashmir you have 6-7 militants all over the unit here we reached the first time 70-80 militants in the first operation we counted 70-80 militants oh this is militant and army is full so this was all the background now in this our classical thing was you just go inside stay there observe hit and then you come back this was our classical kind of operation so we were going to an operation we just moved in and this was again one of the first ones when we were oriented there were two camps and there was a road like this and there were two camps and his brigadier and our brigadier TJ Singh I am short and short and short and short and in the other side he was going to be a big man he was there in this operation and in the other side Colonel Nectar Sanjianbam who had surgical strikes that was what was in Myanmar so he is a kirti chakra and a short chakra so two parties were going through this and this was 200 meters where we had information that the camp is slowly slowly the first person crosses the second person steps on their ID and blows up like this It's like the tongue is like the whole face.

1:22:58The debris is falling down. And then the people say, sir, this is the same. What is this? A small bamboo piece. I turn it into metal pieces and cable. Detonator has a little charge. One source of power battery. We will step on the side and the circuit is complete. it out

1:23:23it's very difficult to explain in a place like this where you are seeing there is a jungle there is a jungle you don't know if you have to lift him up and get him where you are you don't know it takes 6-8 people to lift up one injured guy and we were deciding what to do where to move where to move where to move how to attend and the other party we thought we have to get out because militants got to get out that there is a blast there is somebody coming then someone said no sir it's a little bit you understand I was a youngster provisioned and I was like special four I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like operation and now uh uh jana hai nahi jana go ra ghi aisa thodi aisa kishi janwar se bhi toh pahun rakh sakta hai toh ok ab in this time the other party joh niktar sir wali party thi they killed a few militants they were moving into the camp a while militants hao gaya to they have to move into the camp they to camp bhaag jayenge they were moving into the camp woh uper chad karke in ko bilkul bhoot bhaud bhaud bhaud bhaud bhaud bhaud bhaud pahla bhanda bulletproof jacket crack ho karke he just threw machine gun from him and the other Chattar Singh was in his head and the whole head opened and they were all pinned down our army our guys were pinned down they were standing up they knew they were coming they were taking a tracker they were coming up they were taking a bullet so we had to move because if there was no doubt then it was clear now there was no doubt so again our brigadier TJ Singh said let's go and we just moved we got up and we forgot then we said where is the idea we hit our camp there was a firefight and then T.J.

1:25:21sir party with Bhubi sir they went to clear and where they were firing they went up on their then this guy could actually move so they left me the scout who was looking at keep on that person because you can't carry him had to come back. So I was in that camp where we were going to hit. We cleared that camp. Oh, every place I had to get there.

1:25:48There at night that is one of the nights I am going to remember. Because the fire was burning because the fire was burning and the fire was burning. So he was watching you. And this place was the camp. Now you have been here. He knew exactly where is. And and so on, I was late and so on. The crux is that after this, the next day helicopters could not come because the weather was bad. Now you are going to go 40-50 kilometers from the outside. You are going to take two casualties. You are on the main road. And on the main road, they know that you are going to go away from the distance. always you know the main road and now this is different kind of a yeah so that's what i'll always remember you're my buddy how did you come back from there fighting yeah yeah we had good success and you just fight your way through it which is your training in your SF 90 days is a It will go for months and when it starts, it will drop out to 50-70 % of people.

1:27:13And these are the soldiers, these are the people who already had their units at the top. So, they also have 50-70 % of them. What is the difference between those who can't become and have complete courses, versus those who can do? Because they will be tough to all because they are all their units. it's hard look those people can't do it many people can't do it there are different reasons all their personal reasons I will not against some people are short because you are put under pressure physical injury leave it I think physical fitness leave it I think it will be what is the mental game why people can do it and not do it two three factors the most thing we see is team team that is one on your jowans are judging you if they don't do good because there is C2 they are staying with you sleeping with you they are watching your IQ you are making plans if they are making a better plan then that is a different then you have to have a professional second is how are you as a team you are ready to follow you are you a good team man there are some who are very exceptional very good but then team not the team they can't get so they can't discard then attitude attitude positive my attitude is that I am in God's own I am I am I am it's all but But you understand?

1:28:58That kind of attitude is again very important for somebody not to have. Other things are basic. When you are put under a lot of hope, will you break down? Will you break down or not? You have to take so much pressure for your quality of work. Because you are put under a lot of pressure. After that pressure, do you produce quality of work? Because if you are not producing quality of work, means somewhere inside you are breaking down when I first went to jungle I was holding a finger and I had 15 legs out of the hole 15 legs from one finger and then I had to leave it so this was the day time because we were moving during day time you are sitting at night you are not seeing it you are going to go there and you are going to go there and you are going to go there and when you are cutting one leg when you are cutting one leg I am cutting one leg I am cutting one leg sometimes it gets the whole area and it's very irritating but when you're doing it always you're always walking to the camp and you're sitting and you're sitting and you're putting your hand and you're leaking and you're leaking and you're leaking and you're leaking it swells up like a balloon and where you have been and you have been exposed and you have filled the whole area of your blood.

1:30:27So if the whole area of your blood filled the blood smell attracts more leeches. So I hope I am not discouraging people from joining the special but it becomes painful. So people break up seeing all this and seeing that they are getting a bleach, a muncher and you are sitting in the ambulance and you are Most people will break out. Most people will break out. They will break out. Why don't you break out? We don't even break out.

1:31:01Every time I talk to you and all the SF guys, Shivendra sir, you, like all of these, especially you both. I think in our life, what is the problem trivial? Like, your mindset is commendable. Thank you. Apart from highest level of respect for what you do and what you do for us. You provide us the freedom of blanket that we actually enjoy. I accept that on behalf of the entire army. I'm talking about the whole army. We were taking the best. We were enjoying the army. It's commendable. You deflect the humor. But it's amazing what you guys do. So first highest level of respect for that. Thank you.

1:31:48And second, when I talk about you, I think about mindset. What mindset is this? If it's like this, it's unstoppable. It's like athlete, millionaire, billionaire, it's very small things. If this is the mindset towards the goal, imagine. Just 10 % of mental strength and physical strength that comes to us. That's the thing. No, thank you so much. have I told you why I joined the special forces

1:32:25when I initially opted when I joined India I used to opt for I opted for navy because I also it's okay it happened later but I used to be scared I was scared there were many incidents in the 90s and I thought that you are going in the car and some militant will ambush there and everyone will die. I couldn't come to terms with the fact that the Navy is good and uniform and uniform and they are not into war and all that. But in India, in one of the term breaks, I got a book written with me, Genocides. and when I studied there I read about 47-48 that on the date of today if I ask you, Kashmir has our why do we have Kashmir it is only because 47-48 15th August I am sure this is what everybody knows Kashmir was an independent state but by 22nd October Pakistanis launched the Mujahids they sent to Kashmir to take it and on the 25th October they had reached a place called Baramula but the whole area they had taken over and all of them they had reached Baramula Baramula is just 50 kilometers from Shrinagar airport if they had taken over Shrinagar airport so Indian army ko niche se jamu se lardate lardate lardate wahaan pahunchnya kitna muskil ho jata but waha ek rat kya kya unhoney baramula mein they raped every woman that they could find they killed every man that they could find ek rat

1:34:24haan pe ek anglo indian missionary tha couple of European nurses and all they bored the entire burn and put out a group. Famous. So, this is your enemy. Second incident was, again, Operation Searchlight. The same Pakistan launched in Dhaka. When Mujibur Rahman won the election, after that, Operation Searchlight launched sometime around March. And I think, good about 4 lakh people were killed. And every women, again, that they found, they raped. In Dhaka. I mean, there were so many refugees that were there. So, I thought that if your army is not strong, why did it happen in Kashmir? Because when Kashmir's military, which was its military, the Kashmir army that we had, the state militia, it could not fight.

1:35:23If your army is not strong, then this is the fate of the country that is going to happen. this is all peace and prosperity in all of this first of all there has to be strong people out there to save you who are not fighting and not coming back and they will fight there I realized this I realized that I will join the Navy so who will go there who will go there who is not motivated who doesn't want to be there who is cursing himself every time who is tired like this, fight, I was going to go to my where to go, to my where to go. So somehow I motivated myself into it. That, man, your country is, you don't fight, who will fight?

1:36:07Tell me a survival skill that you learn every civilian, which you can throw out the majority from any situation.

1:36:20It's a very difficult question. You have a survival skill, one survival skill if I have to recommend I would recommend some basic medical tips people know how to give CPR and how to give someone suddenly has happened and has to stop blood you've seen an accident you've been some kind of let's say we were very close to missile strikes and stuff like that that if someone has happened then how to get it how to get it how to give first aid these are basic I think which works that if your father has a heart attack and what is going to do with it? Well, thank you so much sir. Thank you so much once again.

1:37:04It's a pleasure again. I'll keep having you again and again. And all the best for your podcast as well. Thank you. We are learning from you and you are an inspiration for us. Sir, I'll say that. I'll cry. My intention. you are watching this channel once again you want to see your channel just kidding but yeah thank you so much for having me for the second time and really enjoyed interacting with you congratulations you have done exceptionally well thank you so much we have reached about 7.6 like subscribers amazing million is coming which is good we started in September but until now. This is not like the back end.

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