The Hidden Danger in Rice and Wheat: Focus Issues, Iron Loss & Anemia | Ravinder | FO502 Raj Shamani

35:38Paradox is that generally which people have more than the elderly, rural populations who have either this thing knows or they have not paid. And those who are right, they are obsessed with obsession. So people are going to trauma, my protein is not full. So two things are going to happen here. Those who know they are trauma. Why don't we do not know better than we speak ? I do not know protein... We are not convinced now. There are a lot of people who are convinced not to occupy it. Cut a protein paradox the other one. And the other thing is that Repeated andius

36:22Why do you mean deadly? We will fixator on protein Whatever is wrong foodỡ Buy 12 gram

36:36I think it's healthy. Suddenly it feels healthy. Health washing is getting protein washing everything. And another problem is that now there is protein in every thing. There is protein in coffee, there is protein in your chips, it will come in some day. In the water too. all the protein in our cheese so I think one of the stages will be that people will forget to forget it, how much they are eating and they will start hitting the upper limits and start hitting the upper limits what is wrong? I'm just asking how much you eat after that, at this point India's diet is like that it's very difficult to overdose but it's expensive, you're flushing your money also after a limit who can afford it yes, that's the thing I'm sure which are eating all the protein from chocolate, from a hata, they are the ones who can afford it.

37:31Let them. Yes, if you are only eating protein, probably it might not be correct. Because, look, protein, again, I have said, nutrition is orchestra. You cannot fix it on one nutrient. You have Abhishek Sharma, a very explosive batsman. You cannot only win the World Cup. You also need Sanju Samson. You also need Hardik Pandya. You also need Boomera. I need to do all this. If you have protein eating, what is happening? The rest of the things are ignored. The focus is not focused on the health of protein. I told you that any product is a product, you can write 12 grams. It started to pick up the rest of the protein.

38:11What is the rest of the protein? Is there any micronutrients? It's not on the attention of protein. The protein is being a sole indicator. This is India's problem. This is our very big problem. You know, we can only build our 5 % nutrition in the kitchen. Just in the kitchen. Just in the kitchen. Like this? My framework is a fuss. Okay. I will say, in the kitchen, you can create a fuss. You can get a fuss in the kitchen. The first magical technique. By the way, these are old techniques. Nothing new is not. Fermentation. F. very underrated very big system you can 2-4 nutrition can increase idli dosa north drink canji when you ferment it's phytates which are anti-nutrients which are released it's nutrition 2-5 just by fermenting use whole food food if you eat something, don't eat anything if you can't eat it, it's different if you eat it, it's a lot of vegetables people are making vegetables in Kerala, West Bengal, Assam they are making vegetables okay, that's weird but okay usual vegetables you are making the water in the house that you have made in the water you are eating watermelon watermelon and the seed is so good and the root of the root the rind is the whole so, before we started very few parts to fake it because the nutrition which in the cereals are in the top part mostly so, when you put it or you put it or you put it or you put it then you put it minus also So use whole foods as much as you can.

40:19So not juice not to make fruit. The third is soaking and sprouting. It's very hard. It's slowly becoming less. You have the honey, the leaves, everything you soak, it's got phytates released. Sprouting, you know, there's activation in sprouting. It's the best because it's new vitamins. Because it's a new plant So soaking and sprouting If you are doing nutrition You unlock nutrition Last is switch Food is going to be Our grandparents don't eat the same food Five kinds of leaves were made in five days We are going to fix it We are going to fix it One kind of food is eating Which is not rotating There are two benefits When you rotate the food There is a different fiber The gut microbiome I'm a touristy type.

41:14I'm looking for different places. I'm looking for different things. So if you do 4 things, you create a little bit of a kitchen. So you can increase your nutrition without any effort. You have got a budget saving. On this one, there's a bonus. What? Surah Namaskar. Surah Namaskar, many people don't do it. Why do you do it? vitamin D کی deficiency is in India some 70 % 90 % but there is a lot of deficiency vitamin D but if you can't eat your food what do you mean what do you mean which mushrooms eat like our skin sunlight vitamin D make it mushroom mushroom's skin, sunlight's skin, after vitamin D, can be made.

42:16I didn't get it. Put the mushroom in the water. 15-60 minutes, if you cut the mushroom, small-sized, and cut the gills, you keep it up, you keep it up in 15-60 minutes, you add 30-50 grams, vitamin D, 30-50 times. You can Google about it.

42:39So one good da some vitamin D from the pill is where vitamin D2 happens because we have to get shorter

42:57mushrooms to go and knowledge

43:07too There are many commercial companies that do commercially treatment of sun-soaked mushrooms. So, there are small tricks that you can do in the kitchen. So, there is a kitchen where you can learn nutrition. Tell me, what are the early signs that a person sees inside and avoiding? which will eventually cause some major health problem and that is why the early signs of micronutrients are missing because of that fatigue, focus you know, I think that stress is because of that many times or many children think about it, why not understand it, why not attention is not being distracted why is it being distracted like nowadays, fashion agency is very distracted does 그대로 fit China.

44:00Boko to d predominant II a second You When you lastly nausea you have rank like Drieg skin dull or glow Your sign is給 給 depending on the micronutrient what you're doing in your body what you're doing the body always gives you a signal if you're off notifications then you can't do anything

44:35is it just asking hypothetical question that whoever has nutrient problems like micronutrient missing those people monthly or quarterly can't get injections or drips because that's a fashion and a very tier 1 top of the level people right have you seen that i have seen i've seen iv drips and all that like i said i don't come from that profession so i don't know the exact science and how does it work but given a choice i will rather prefer the food for the benefits it brings like i said supplements supplements for some reason they are supplement to something so but in cases you are not able to meet your dietary choices you are vegetarian you are struggling I don't see anything wrong with taking supplements as long as you know Raj my philosophy with food is I am not a health nerd I don't track calories I don't track protein I don't track one side I occasionally indulge and and I have told you that I have made weight lose for 15 and I am maintaining.

45:52Can you tell me about that? Good food. Like I said, fuss. I told you my secret mantra. We are eating a lot of fermented food. We are eating a lot of millets at home and sunlight. And I think I have been living like a farmer. What do you mean by that? Explain. So again, I get a lot of farmers. I get a lot of farmers. you can actually eat like and live like a farmer that's the best way to do things farmers what did they do? they had two times they had two or half times according to your lifestyle you can choose they had to eat seasonal or fresh a lot of sunlight movement that's non-negotiable you can't be healthy you have to have a good movement होनी चाहिए stress आज की दिन में अगर आप आपका घर खुला छोड़के नहीं जा सकते farmer अपनी फसल खेत में छोड़के सो जाता है सो जाता है वो जहां पे pest भी घूम रहे हैं जहां पे जानवर भी घूम रहे हैं बारिश भी है सब कुछ so that's so good the stress manage their ability so if you can you should live like a farmer I'm not saying that they start eating the food if you're a sedentary lifestyle but there's a lot that you can pick from but how can this happen this stress where a lot of people don't care about what's going on in life the way probably according to you what farmer is doing who's going there It can be true for a lot of farmers.

47:33It is true for a lot of farmers. I think again, this is also a community way of living. Where you have a lot of assurances. You were living in a big family and a big family. Which becomes your sports system. We are getting into nuclear families. Where you are on your own. Success is your own. Failure is your own. Everything was made of community.

48:10and I think that is the main cause that stress people have to come because there is loss that is village you know people have to get married so they have to get married they have to get married they have to get married contribute they believe in that system of community so do you still go to your village i do you do have you seen come jana but but i'm trying to do it in our small land parcel nice you go there i go there right so when you go there have you seen that people have lab made seeds for taking them easily but these are not lab made seeds okay so is it like somewhere no these are not lab made seeds at all it's very important you asked bio fortification are farmers doing it plant breeding which is bio fortification is called conventional breeding this is the the the the the the the the the the the scientists are starting to do it they are farmers I will tell you a example do you eat gajar orange gajar orange orangey, white halwa, white halwa if this plant doesn't have a breed.

49:30Gajar never had orange. Gajar was black, yellow, white. Orange was little but mostly this color of Gajar. I thought it was orange. Like a reddish orange. What happened in the 16th century? Dutch farmers has been breeding yellow carrots. They started breeding orange carrots. That's why the carrots were orange carrots. They were very sweet. They were very sweet. They were very uniform. They were also more than the yield. The same concept that we are thinking about biophotification today. They started breeding. There are two reasons. One was the other reason. political but that shows that politics also plays how important role plays so William of Orange was a national hero who was when Spain revolted in that he had a lot participate in that he had a tribute to the Gajars to orange and now the Dutch national color is orange so this Gajar became orange one is the traits and the other he wants to make orange of orange.

50:50Long story short. Now, you have to eat this process that farmers have selected them to select the orange. It's interesting that the green was coming. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming.

51:13The blueberries as Papacou can rivers our Iditar

51:25dadurch just экономically. There was a

51:54две India में मिलेगा और Kanji आपको और उसकी वज़ा से Kali Gajar अभी भी retained है वहाँ पर जो Orange Gajar है उस खाने problem है नहीं कोई problem नहीं उसमें beta-garotene vitamins होते हैं अच्छा लेकिन क्या it's not a chemical process it's not a chemical it's just a story that you told me about how they changed आपने एक trait को prioritize किया beta-garotene को आपने prioritize किया vitamin A reach that is the time which you will have to do with vitamin A is a very important thing. You know that India every year 50 ,000 children are blind because of vitamin A deficiency. 50 ,000 kids start with night blindness.

52:41Vitamin retina is a pigment that it needs to be when it doesn't have vitamin A diet so they have night blindness when it's like in the evening they can't see it and then if you ignore it then they have permanent blindness tell me more about foods and these vitamins let's say sweet potato I saw that orange sweet potato orange flesh sweet potato OSP it's vitamin A again sweet potato is an excellent food is why we are talking about it. We also talked about it. There is also a sweet potato. By the way, it's a very important food. So, sweet potato is energy. It's fiber. It's a staple food. So, in Africa, there is a lot of orange flesh sweet potato.

53:32So, in Africa, there is a staple food. So, in Africa, there is a maze. In India, we don't do much work on the maze. There are high iron beans. So, there are different crops. process is that our concept was bio-fortification priority index. It's a little scientific idea. The idea is that which one should do. You can't run after every crop. You can't run limited budget. So, what should we do? So, you need to put these crops in the same way. The staple crops are there. Where you have maximum nutrition. One criteria is this. Another, you need to put nutrient in the same way. You need to put the most in the country.

54:11So, you decide that here. India is wheat and zinc. I build a variety of it. Okay. So that's why what do you do in India wheat, zinc and rice? Zinc and rice again. Okay. Iron. It goes to bajra and lentils. Only these two particular vitamins or micronutrients you focus on? Zinc and iron. So worldwide there are four micronutrients major deficiencies. Iodine, zinc, iron and vitamin A or iodine we iodine we are getting from salt so that's more or less salted these three are now coming through biofortification interesting so these vitamin A blindness iron is cognitive and anemia zinc is wifi very interesting analogy that the whole body okay and then fourth was iodine iodine yeah which was your thyroid or goiter and plus mental and you know nutrition approaches work another way is to do biofortification which we are talking about agronomic biofortification I have told you do yoga, do not go to Kundalini, do not go to Shakti do your software update the seed another concept again from Indian philosophy only that is vastu vastu vastu what do you mean what do you mean right architecture which we align what do you mean seed what do you mean what do you mean seed what do you mean we have talked if soil we have zinc not iron not then seed where we pull not then if we we see to take care of it.

56:07We can take care of it. We can take nutrition in our food. So, for that, there is a very interesting story about Finland. In Finland, in the 1970s, many people had a heart attack. Cardiovascular problem. Highest in the world. They were happy. No, they had a research question. One of the key reasons was that in their mid-tie selenium is not not. So selenium you need your heart health to your heart. So they had a decision in 1984. They said that you can't be able to any fertilizer if you can selenium is not added. add one strong decision and you can decide that you have to add five years after results the three the three two the two the on his blood serum and he got this response a decade later 75 % drop in cardiovascular disease it's one of the big success stories of that problem solve you don't need to go to pharmacy now you can go to the farm problem solve interesting and And this is a very big success story.

57:57Tell me about more countries and what those countries have done in order to tackle their food problem or deficiency problems or whatever other problems they go through. Like Kenya, Kenya, you know, iron deficiency is working on high iron beans. Rajma, like we eat, it's one staple. So they eat it. So they're promoting it in school feeding. That in school feeding, beans. There was a problem that was the beans. Because it was low supply, so they were hungry. They were two-guna price. Neota was a variety that we released. We had double price. Kidney beans? Yes, they were kidney beans. So if there's any intervention on scale, So, the first job of being a big deal is budget neutrality.

58:51And beans are also very interesting because of that. We had to use high iron beans because it was more than iron. But the kids and teachers liked it differently. There is a big social risk in Rajma Chawal Khan. You become a big deal. You get a lot of gas.

59:13So, flatulence was one of the big problems in the beans. so this was unintended so we made the variety and the biochemistry of this change in that way gas was reduced so people liked it another beans one thing is that beans cook it's a little time this variety it's a little time so ladies they adopted it it's a lot so a demand pull some times we work with many things we say that our products are stunted but we have a gen z person his brain fog is fine so beans are very popular so this was a big problem so then we have 3D bottle necking agriculture university which is a seed system that was fine and And fast forward two years, his budget neutrality, Neota beans, normal beans' price.

1:00:21So for a school, there are a lot of organizations that are involved in the innovation to scale that. Because it's a very good innovation for children. Interesting. Tell me, how can we help? Everybody who's listening to this conversation, how can we help in making sure that nutrient-rich food, everybody starts eating much faster than what probably you must have projected because it's good for our country it's good for ourselves, it's good for our families I think power toh sari communication me hi hai communication is needed the first thing you can do is that my 15 ,000 ,000 kids who probably will see you can give a shout out you are the future, eat well so I was just telling you about Nutri Paatshala there is a very interesting component is, we call our Nutribuddies.

1:01:15So, these schools we work in, there are colleges, agriculture, food science or nutrition colleges who are volunteers who come to us. We train them. Then, they spend 20 hours with these children. What was happening with these children? We don't listen to this parents. We don't listen to this uncle type. We don't listen to this uncle type. We listen to our elder siblings They listen to us because the generation gap is less. At the beginning we struggled to understand them. But they know that they don't have a face. Then we thought about how to do it. Teachers are of course we train them. But teachers have a different relationship.

1:01:56They listen to them. But they don't go home. But when we have a concept of Nutribudies, they go to schools and they have gamified nutrition. They teach them, that why we have to eat the millets in an entertaining way we drink that sugar and we learn how much sugar is so the NutriBuddies is a core spine in our program for the kids same age or in the final year or graduated from college they do a volunteer exercise so one thing we can do is that like I told you Gen Z is going to fix this system I am so positive about it this is the smartest generation that we could have ever got you need more of them to join you we need more of the Gen Z to take the lead to ask questions see what happened in our time someone said that glucose biscuit is healthy we accepted someone said that this drink is healthy we accepted liya हमें जो बोला गया हम मान लेते थे ये वाली वो generation है जो they flip the packet पीछे पढ़ते हैं दबा के question पूछते हैं और creators भी है अगर नहीं कुछ समझ में आया तो फिर founder को ले भी जाते हैं corner में 6 गंटे में सीधा भी कर देते हैं yeah so this generation is the very powerful generation and interesting this is that we saw that people are asking people and reading labels and Gen Z is getting more inclined towards the natural label where natural nutrition comes from so I have a hope that where the food system will fix the problem of getting there Gen Z will have a huge role to play all they need to do is just start asking question where is my nutrition give it back you have no right to take it away from my plate true and what's next for you where do you where do you see yourself going forward I'm thinking we dreamt small we would have had bigger dreams Dr.

1:04:17Haworth Buis his dream was that we will reach 1 billion people until 2030 we are already at now 589 million so I think we will burn it. So now it's like a small thing. It's like a dream. I think there's a lot of work to do. What's your biggest fear? My biggest fear is someone destroying this innovation by making wrong claims. Explain it. It's like when we came to the routine, we came with a very good intent. We had a need. and then we saw all kind of things right there are people who come in make claims which are not fully scientific and then they that that start hurting the category at some point of time and this is this is this happens with any science and my second fear is we have started celebrating storytelling more than science and that's something that worries me like I ask people to ask that tell the names of the top entrepreneurs of this century tell the names of the top entrepreneurs tell the names of the people tell the names of the people common Jeff Bezos Mark Zuckerberg the usual suspects Elon Musk Bill Gates Steve Jobs and then my second question tell the names of the five scientists of this century

1:05:51and generally there is silence I ask someone to say this question I ask India so in India people also tell us Adani Ambani so they know I ask 5 Indian scientists tell us so very rarely I think the last memory people have is Dr. Kalam people can tell us about K7 Rattan Lal Gagandeep Kang Gagandeep Kang Gagandeep Kang Because we don't celebrate science. We celebrate storytelling more. If you see our innovation ecosystem, we only file 80 ,000 patents in a year. China does 16 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000 ,000. So where does the difference come from? The difference comes from how you can prioritize how you can do science and innovation.

1:06:49If you see our country, if you see R &D spend, 0.67 % countries like South Korea Israel 5 % spend and private sector if you see we are 2 % of our R &D spend how much marketing budget is in some cases 40 % 18 % engine car is very beautiful metallic paint engine is in so we are making beautiful cars with no engine that's my biggest worry a country like us has to prioritize science and prioritize innovation marketing is not bad but then you can't market if you don't have an idea if you don't have an innovation if we are going to work tomorrow, probably our growth will go but if we don't have science, we will not have civilization so I think people need to celebrate science more interesting tell me one last question fill in the blank India

1:08:01will not be able to grow if dash

1:08:08India will not be able to grow if we don't stop the nutrition heist but it is on four levels you said the nutrition heist there soil level crop level factory level and then plate level right so you are addressing crop level soil how will they do how will they understand what will they do after the plate I think we discussed that there is a lot of awareness that's needed about that's coming factory level is consumer factories are like Allah Deen ka charaak joh consumer maangyega woh vahe deega aap jab unse taste maangyere ho to aapko taste dee reha jis din aap nutrition maangni shudru kar doge to a nutrition woh jhak marke dhundke laengke bio fortified variety aapne ingredients mein dalne ke liye and mark my words bio fortification is going to be the biggest category in next 5 years hmm my estimate is it's going to be 20 billion dollars in India alone and if we play it right India has an opportunity to become the affordable nutrition hub we have all the pieces uh India do teen cheezo mein uh you know innovations mein jo bhot achcha gara one is seed system the seed systems in India are really strong so that's the basic piece that you need for bio fortification your captive consumption is large and third you have a problem so you have the customer you have the context you have the capacity you have the capacity this three things should be in our consulting so I think we have all the basics to reach there to answer your question law of limiting factors you can't leave anyone you have to eat four you have to eat four soil we need to fix it if our soils are dead we are doomed seed we are doing through biofortification factories the consumers, Gen Z has to play a huge role, ask questions keep flipping the packet say that which photo of celebrity is not important tell the science behind and the label tell the two things and then kitchen is very much in our hands perfect thank you so much sir thank you, it was a pretty straight conversation, it's been such a long time where i've had this kind of straightforward conversation where i don't have things to ask i just wanted to just understand and see and hear you what about the things that you were talking about and it was incredible to hear that in fact i really like what you're doing so all the best to you as well and kudos thank you for so much for this conversation Thank you very much.

1:11:10And like I said, thank you for inviting an agriculturist. You're the first agriculturist we've had on the podcast now. So the folks back in Punjab Agriculture University and manage, by the way, Agri Business MBA exists. Thank you so much for watching this episode until the end. Now you have to do three things. Number one, subscribe to this channel now. Because as much as you subscribe, we'll get guests to you for the best. Number two, please comment when we have done what we have done and what we have done so that we can learn the feedback and can create a better experience and number three this episode must be shared with someone because one conversation is enough for changing someone's life I'll see you next time until then keep figuring out

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