What Makes Toppers Different, JEE vs NEET & Future of EdTech - Ujjwal Singh | FO333 Raj Shamani

36:05you know i got a chance to work for a social enterprise and we have a very good thing there's nothing called good teacher there's something called good teaching and we all if you just say we all know our teachers we all know our teachers in our life there are some teachers so in that assignment I used to go and sit in classrooms at the back bench and say I see what happens in this class and we used to go hundreds of schools and classrooms and we realized that why one teacher is better than some of the other teachers in the same school but every school is one or two teachers who are favorite teachers.

36:52So what do they do that people don't do? And we decoded that and we made a small formula around that. But what my learning is that it doesn't happen to be a teacher in a country. It's not possible. So how do we use the resources best? How can we use the best? Two things are important. As good teaching as a philosophy, we start promoting in different parts of our country, as government, as everybody. What are those five things that you consider as a good teacher, as a child, and learning will happen. As a teacher, what is the biggest achievement? That you have to study a digestive system. When you start out in class, After 45 minutes, the children have a basic understanding of the digestive system.

37:46Now, to do this, there could be 100 ways. I'm not saying that there's only one way. But what is the least frictional way to pass on the message? Yeah. And that's good teaching. In which children enjoy learning, children study, and then your purpose is served. much i think that we decoded at that journey and we started percolating down in various schools in india because to get good teachers is a dream come true yeah and and you even don't know that somebody who is coming from a premium engineering or management college can be become a good teacher or not but if you teach people how to teach to be a good teacher i can give you an example so just say one of the easiest thing which you when you work with teachers to say that and teachers just laugh because they live in this reality that if you are 40 or 50 children are sitting in front of you, they are mentally not in that classroom.

38:58They are physically in that classroom. Now if you have a first class, imagine that a child who is the mom and papa has taken it off, he will take it off, he will rush the bus and send it off. If I have a class 5th student or 9th student have said, go ahead and go, go ahead and go. All of that has happened in his life early morning when he He was still struggling to keep his eyes open. And then he landed in the classroom. His agenda is not to learn digestive system. Teacher's agenda is to teach digestive system. True. Now there are two different worlds have to meet. And the easiest to make these two different worlds is ask the simplest question.

39:41So we tell a concept from near to far. And this is, a lot of people do this. So what did he eat in the morning? Now, no child has not eaten, but 99.9 % of his hands took his hands. Means anybody who was in the sports ground mentally or in the bus still mentally, they are all in that classroom. Teacher asked a question for his hands. This is an easy question. Now you took them to one place. Now we realize that that's such a simple thing. but just does not start making our classrooms interactive and you have asked 3-4 kids if you have ate 2-3 kids you have ate 2-3 kids you have ate 2-3 kids you are actually incentivizing people to answer and to participate by asking them easy questions and that builds up confidence and interest what is in 3 major differences what is in bad teacher or good teacher?

40:42one is a radio mode of teaching that I went to class and started talking to class. Class participation is less than 1%. Okay. This is bad teaching. Radio mode of teaching.

40:59I think in today's context that's not going to work out. I think second is relating with students. as a teacher if if you can't relate with your present generation of students is very very difficult and the third one i'll tell you a very interesting story which will relate to so a child has asked to teach it's like a joke but it will help prove the point ma 'am what is the weight of earth teacher said oh this is so good easy question I said, I don't know what the problem is. I said, I don't know what the problem is. No, ma 'am. How do you know? Everyone will go to the library and answer me. I don't want to give this answer.

41:50Then ma 'am went to the computer and she got out of weight of earth and came back. She said, I got someone in 10 minutes. Now you don't ask questions in the library. and that's why I say digital learning is so important so they told me the trillions of weight the child is standing up the weight is is all the people buses, buildings or without them I think in the date of today there are thousands of questions and it is impossible for a human being to answer all these questions upfront inside the class It is no shame to say can we learn together So I think that these three things are the base difference between good teaching and bad teaching In COVID this was a very good thing Many children taught teachers technology And that was a great collaborative way of learning together I think that in society the image is that teachers will answer all questions And they don't need to collaborate with them to learn new things or explore and find out that it can happen.

43:05I think that is the new age requirement today. Before, there was a saying that they didn't believe the blood of the blood of the blood. And teachers gave punishment because of that. Do you think that people learn more from giving punishment? There was a whole other thing. There was a reasoning somewhere else. But it was, over a few generations we didn't have learning pass on. and if you don't have a learning path then it became an activity like logic so now that class is going to be in math if you see the international education system they say okay you want to leave because you are not interested in this class you go out we will reach there we will reach there because to keep the interest alive for every student is not possible but whoever wants to study they want to study don't you feel that this is a lot of children that go out of class I'm enjoying my class my attendance is getting all of them I'm going to sit and enjoy I feel like J.Krishnamurti Foundation of schools if a child says and they really take care of students and they love children but philosophically Krishnamurti says that you can't force I can't do any course.

44:27It's a very difficult philosophy to play this school. It means that it's so difficult for those teachers. But if the child says, sir, I don't like it, I have to sit outside. You sit outside. But you realize that this is against the tight behavior. Because if you sit in your 40 friends and you sit outside, you can sit outside for one day, two days, two hours. It's not possible. human being is a social animal who like to be together one of the big problems is also education system because we are talking about education system and with the education system we will go to the digital learning and hybrid model practical skills you don't know how to teach them you have told them all the things there is logic, inquiry, communication physical ability right you talked about all of these things but practical skills do you feel we still at a place where coaching institute is not a practical skill.

45:28Give me an example of practical skills

45:34one of the largest relationship problems banking problems financial literacy these all things small life skills like let's say a cooking or something I don't know I also think that's a skill life that we don't teach but it's also very important how to manage your emotions relationship and all of these things like how do you manage yourself now you think as a country you have a regret how to deal with regret where do you teach where do you teach where do you teach where do you Krishna Murti has done a lot of work and has told but I think that in the world there is a major work and the university of pennsylvania research on this they said that we have to learn 5 skills and don't ask me all 5-6 but the skills which I like most and I keep talking about is self-control if you realize human beings are a bundle of emotions and there are two emotions which are most important love and fear So all the negative emotions Is there fear All the positive emotions Is there love Fear is anger Everything They said If you learn one skill Which is self-control And apply it for anywhere in the world You have to have honest Truthfulness You don't need anything If you learn one thing Self-control There will not be road rage not happen.

47:16You will be truthful and honest. I really like that one single thing. We are trying to do it. I want to go wherever I want, whenever I talk to children. But if I have to tell one thing to the government of India, I'll say, Self-control. Just one thing to teach, you will see the world differently. Just one thing. And they have actually, and they have very interesting experimented in the classroom. There's a video also. In the classroom, they gave a burger to all the children. All those who will not eat will get a juice also. 40 % of the class ate. They didn't get juice. Then they gave juice. All those who will not eat, drink, they'll get a pack.

48:10pack of chocolates or something like that and like that by the end of the whole school time they realized only 6 or 7 students out of 40 students actually have all the things which they have given them it's a very difficult thing to stop temptation if you ask me that something we want to learn to children which you have many problems one of the biggest practical skills which you can teach is self-control. If you teach them, then you apply it anywhere. As an employee, one single guy in Belgavi, no one sees it, he's joining the first day, he's not a manager, he has to get up, get ready and go to market.

48:58Now he's thinking, the boss doesn't look at me, I'll do my job, I'll do my job. If he taught him in the school system, in college, self-control, that this was the opportunity to teach it. Honesty towards your work. Honesty towards whatever you are doing. You have seen that. Towards yourself. Towards yourself. You are falling. Anything, whatever place you can use. So, in my opinion, there is a lot of work in the world. For practical skills to bring in life. How much we are coming as an institution? We can try. but we study a very small set. I think that as a schooling system, if we talk about this in the world, it will change.

49:46Practical skills, only self-control can change the way the world looks at each other. True. And what you're telling me about, is a big test. Marshmallow test. Marshmallow test. Which is, you keep one marshmallow in front of everyone, and you say, you don't eat it, you'll give it two. So many people do. So, another test was a follow-up test. Because you talked about it, so I want to add something. And I felt it was very interesting. So, the children took me hand-hand. I'm seeing it, I'll take it and eat it. I'm resisting temptation. Why do I wait for those who have not eaten, tomorrow they'll get two.

50:24Why should I do that? Yeah, yeah. So, they saw that the children have eaten versus the children have not eaten. people who went for burger versus people who didn't go for it. Both economic background and social background were very different. So, those kids who came from home, they took their hands to their hands. Because they didn't have much trust in the system. They thought they had a few promises, they said something, so what they see in front of them, they took it. Versus those who had a little privileged background, who had security, they were upset because they had a lot of trust in the system.

50:58Because they knew that they would give them a little bit. and they will give better. So, what I promise will give you in front of me. And this was very interesting about social psychology. Both children were tempted. Both children were feeling like I was interested in my favorite thing. Take it and eat. It was not easy to stop. But one was the because it was the background where it was a security that was and one was the background where it was that if it wasn't here, it wasn't here. So, scarcity plays even more important role than resisting temptation absolutely so we were talking about teachers earlier and i'm moving forward from practical skills to let's say that you said that i'm only studying specific agenda about that do you train your teachers who are studying so teacher training is a big problem in india there was a study done on example size the states in india only 40 % of teachers have confidence that we are studying we can study from the wrong place 60 % of teachers know that I am studying only because I will go to class without class

52:12and this includes this includes your school, college everything when we talk about test prep I think teacher is more like a facilitator first. They are not like a regular teacher. So as I was saying, IITNs also come and teach. So this qualification, the whole process of teaching is very different. When we take fresh teachers, we run a 90-day training program. 30 days pure classroom, 60 days on-job training. then you become a junior lecturer for students and then after almost a year you are a normal facilitator or faculty we are a lot of work with teachers to ensure that what we want to study we can get into that shape and size see difference between a teacher-led company and a brand-led company is that we have a teaching and learning process which rides over any specific teacher yeah so a good teacher hai tekin muje to sabko acha teacher banane hai sabko acha teacher banane ke liye i have to do good teaching ka training that when you enter class apne kaise class manage kar nah hai how can you engage with students for that we have to do that training otherwise buh standardization nahi aega or then we will have all sorts of problems ki ye class good class and this class is not good.

53:47Because we are not in schools. Parents are far more demanding with us that I am having a problem. Find a solution to this. And for that we have to because you see schools parents generally don't go to this but since we are testing test parents will immediately come and say my child is not getting hurt. My child is getting hurt. This is a problem in physics. And because we do so many interactions with students also. so training to be a lot of training and then in the process to embed good teaching in the process if not it will not happen second test prep teaching is not more than 60-70 % so whatever teacher whether it is in a digital medium or in a physical medium there are two things which are very interesting and when you don't go inside you don't know when the teacher is solving a problem know.

54:44Jitne bachche classroom mein beithe hunko lagta, muha a gaya. Ab mein akel mein hau, apne hostel mein hau, ani ghar pe hou. Mujche similar sawaal nahi pan rai. I don't know how to start it, how to approach it. So practice has a huge value. So after teaching inside the institution only, we will have a place where say everybody will solve this problem. And if you are facing a, say step one, you are facing a problem, you come to me. Teacher is just there to help you just to initiate this. Look at this. Put this formula. Is there a problem in step 3? So then you make them learn on their own. And the last piece is testing.

55:28The more and more, which we are talking about Michael Phelps, that the amount you practice, you will do better in the medal. More and more you practice. So you create a testing environment. create so teaching then practice and then finally the testing environment there are the three things which go like a circular format and spirally going upward that helps this learner to get confidence and then taking a test where he's actually doing it and that's a circular format for us and so you feel that the star teacher is especially in the coaching industry that teacher tells a lot of things that teacher explains how everyone understands, his kids are fans, his results are strong.

56:20Does that teacher beat that teacher can be done by building a right process and that teacher can be prepared by all the teacher in which the class results will be done? I don't think that we need to beat. Because ultimately this is a race. It's a race that you have to deliver top 10 kids. Absolutely. And you have to create maximum results. And star teachers have their ability, experience take them. If you are a big institute, all star teachers can't be there. You can't be there. You can't be there. Absolutely. So, if you take teachers, you can take good teachers, you can take average teachers, you can make good teachers, you can make good stars.

57:00You can mix. Absolutely. So, how do you make sure? That is why I said I focus on good teaching only. I have to study this topic or sub-topic. Because honestly, we are not movie-making business. So, we are a teacher who is going to go for 2 hours. He has a deliverable that I have to study this topic or sub-topic. And that has to be the best that I will study that I will understand the children. And when there are questions, he can solve it. I have to run the process in the best possible manner. Definitely there are some teachers who are above average and they are very good teachers. But you respect them.

57:38You give them a challenging questions and on the fly they will do it. Both respect head and that's how you build around it. They also become mentor to younger teachers and all of that is there. But you cannot have all star teachers. You have to replicate the process over star teachers because star teachers can come. they can give you great tips and tricks and because of digital medium they can be in every classroom whenever we want them to but the classroom will run with a process-based teaching and that helps to for us to deliver results so that's what my question was teaching process and good teaching skills and training can it help you beat results of star teachers yes yeah you have seen this happening I have seen this happening so parents choose to send which coaching institute or send which place to study our children should they ignore the fact that the star teacher is on their own because end of the day if there is a star teacher and that star teacher is studying your children and today you can't ensure all of that you have to see the same study is getting your children or not first and education is not about fun see learning is not fun I'll be very honest if someone has a wrong idea I can give it a thousand examples that after learning fun starts when you ask the question of math it's not going to happen it's no fun when you have learned and then you start solving it yourself then the fun starts and this can happen for cycling or swimming anything So the process of learning is transformation.

59:28Point A to point B. Mind is happening in the mind. And it's not happening. So love doesn't seem good. As a parent. When you're watching where to put your child. You have to see that my child can learn. Can you understand here or not? And it's the best process. Because companies like us. will have students across the country. And when we open a physical center or digital, we will try to get the best person to teach that. But we give them a process. Our parent company, Sri Chaitanya, over the last 40 years have built amazing processes. We just took that and said, how can we incorporate into a physical center business or the digital business?

1:00:17Talking about digital business, do you think digitally people can learn something people can learn online tech platforms and can change in life and change in life and can be done because

1:00:34in our age like once you are above 22, 23, 24 and above after that you have to learn because you have to grow up in life with a specific intention के साथ आप सीखते हो, तो तब तो आप online भी सीख जाओगे, book से भी सीख जाओगे, आपको कुछ ज़रुत नहीं है, आपको experiential learning इतनी ज़रुत नहीं है, आप कहीं से भी सीख जाओगे, क्यों कि आप में वो drive है to learn, so a tech can work for you, online education work, जब बच्चें when you are forced. So, if there is no stimulated environment and no experiential learning, then how do I have one-sided only watching TV, watching the internet, watching the phone, watching the internet?

1:01:15Can they actually get results? So, I will answer you can they actually get results in a minute. But let me tell you, learners have moved on. They are digital learners. They are digital natives. So, now think about behavioral point of view that if you have word ka meaning nahi aata hai toh aap kya karo ge? Google karta ho. Aap google karo ge aap laai. Aap wapas dictionary bhi toh nahi chao ge. Aap se des sal chote bachche jo abhi tiari kar raha unka behavior toh aur zyada change ho chuka hai. So their first place to go and learn something new is digital. Not physical. First place to go. The bigger bigger problem is that do we know how to teach them?

1:02:02They are going to be digital natives. They will learn online. They will learn online. As we as people who have gone to physical space and digital space, do we know how to learn how to learn? Now, two mediums people chose. They are engaging. There is no transformation in engagement. There is no learning in engagement. In learning So you have to understand That process of digital teaching Has to be in a way Where engagement is the initiation point But finally learning has to happen If the child didn't learn And he didn't solve the question So whatever it happens The child won't come again Because there are so many options Available in today's day Thousands So that's why we said We need to find And the teaching of process and learning is until that process works fine.

1:03:03Whatever we do, students are not going to come back to us. And that's why it has to work very well every time, every class. Because they are judging you more than you are judging them. In a physical classroom, teacher is judging a student that he can do or not. In a digital classroom, students are judging the teacher that he can teach me. and they have an option to say no they have a cross button to go out of the class yeah and that's the big big you know you have given the power to the learner yeah to say

1:03:42we understood that and we said we need to be near to the students who want to do well I am not an entertainment platform I am a learning platform I want to study them Those who want to study There is a big difference You can say I am a premium online player And maybe only one left in the industry At this point of time We are very serious about our results So we talk to children Their goals set You want to study right You will study online We will study right you want to take results. In 18 months of our inception, we published an online result. We have studied these children and they went to IIT, they went to Manipal, they went to IIIT, we published a result.

1:04:34For the last 3 years, every year, we are publishing an online only result. Because we have explained this to the children, this is the teacher that is 40-40 % online you will be able to do many things online and we will be able to do as a mentor so that you are not lost that if class is done what you do because everyone feels like a zoom class on and digital learning will start no, that is not learning you have to give the whole environment that when it comes to it, it's goal setting what will happen, what will happen, what will happen what will happen, what will happen, what will happen practice mentor kase kaam karehen aapke saath then they realize that no these guys are a serious player they they are not going to leave me by selling a course and i can't do so much of delivery by selling it at a you know very unit economics at very lower cost if i have to give good service i have to charge money for that and that's why we said that as online player we should be able to compete with all the offline players as far as services and results I don't think we are there but the way we are moving on results we will be competing with most of the offline players Is that the reason other tech platforms fail are they that they don't focus on their students who need to study they focus on everyone and they go to and sell I think when it starts It is a very long journey for me.

1:06:08There was a huge discussion about access and affordability. But there was no problem with outcomes. So, everyone came to the outcome, that we are very affordable or accessible to every village in this country. When we made this company, we said we won't show the end outcome, so the child will not come to you long time, and you will not grow on your platform. Education is little different than everything else. So we focused on the outcomes. What results do you want to do? Once the result comes, the customer confidence will grow on the platform. And that's what happened after 18 months when we published our first results, when in next year numbers were started improving and now people are people say that we are good and if you your question was and i don't see very frankly other edtech platforms as competition very frankly because we have a job in the market which is a very big market It is a very big market.

1:07:20For us, competition is social media platforms. How do you keep the child engaged against a social media platform? If the child went on the shorts or reels, then it was 1-2 hours left. And the amount I worked with him, it was zero. because mind is distracted math questions are more good to see the reels so I always think how do we study how much engaging we keep if a child has a reels and our small content will he watch that I don't think we have achieved success there but honestly there is not a day in our office which goes that this is a question That if the child is real and our content, who will see who will see?

1:08:18We say today that we are real and today will see who will see. But let's try to make ourselves better each day. We will be able to have a stage where we will be going, where the child will think, no, this is a good way to study and I will see this. But if you have told the outcome, if you focus on the outcome, and if you focus on the outcome, focus on outcome promise and outcome promise then do you think it's a bad promise to have because you're saying I'll get success in exams but I'll get success in placements or guaranteed results guaranteed one rank guaranteed they're very attacks so do you think it's bad then guaranteed nothing is guaranteed very frankly outcome promise promise not.

1:09:10No, outcome is. Outcome is improvement. So, when we start the journey, we do goal setting. And trust me, many children come to the who don't want to go to IIT. In India, give and take, if you are up to 1 lakh rank, the kind of colleges where you go, there are placement. 10-11 ,000 rank in IIT seats are over. ho jate hai. 35 ,000 tuk premium engineering college ke seats khatam ho jate hai. But engineering ke baad employment opportunity up to 1 lakh seats tuk hi hai. Now the question for us is that mein goal setting kaise karaatou? Aapke 10th ke marks kitnay hai? Abhi kitna ghanda pad saktay ho?

1:09:58Kaisa karo ge? And then we keep seeing that okay first 6 mahinay mein bachche ne kaisa perform kiya? Where we started I am a coach my job is to help to reach the child's best potential performance I am not saying that I want to get everyone but if I was 3 lakh rank last year then I can get him under 1 lakh so that when he goes to engineering college he will be in that engineering college and his life starts there so we have to see potential of the child and push him little more than that so that he is best performing that's our job and we will continue to promise that I will reach your best potential if your best potential number is top 10 I consider 1 to 10 almost the same potential if your potential is top 10 then I will reach your top 10 but if your potential is 1 lakh then I will reach 1 lakh but if you say it's bad marketing no hope no more people will not come no that's not

1:11:11not the end goal. It's not bad marketing. It's a very good way to say that I will give my children potential 5 % next term will reach the potential. Today, your child is doing this. It will do better. I guarantee. Nice. Interesting. And because your platform is digital, do you believe that digital platforms completely will take classroom experience at any given point? I don't think. I think everything will coexist. Everything. So, you can see that testing has all moved digital. So, if testing is digital हो गया है तो learning digital by default is there but हम ऐसे space में कि मेरी parent company हजार से ज़ादा school चलाती है हम खुद centers खोल रहे है चाले cities में नाव हाँ तो हम हम खुद कोशिश में लगे हुए हैं कि हम बच्चे को ऐसा एक experience दे दे चहां testing environment भी हो एक faculty for doubt solving भी हो and if someone wants to study physically fully, then they will study physically fully.

1:12:27But for me, there is no right and wrong. There is no black and white. We will remain like this for maybe next 20, 30, 40 years where physical education and digital education will coexist. And more and more they will merge the hybrid education. In which I am saying that children will be like 2 hours digitally, but will also do a faculty-based class. And that's how this will coexist. who results are better online or offline in today's date offline results are better but online results have never received seriously results just about affordability access I think now very serious everybody players I must tell you when we started 7 ,800 were there I don't know how many of them are surviving today but as many people are affected for all of them outcomes is an important point today no one can ignore the outcomes today and ignore an ad tech whether it is in higher ed space K12 space test prep outcomes is by default you have to imbibe by talking about outcome and ad tech platform because tech is a very important thing right so you are using tech to understand data understand psychology understand teacher training understand how many students are passing or not how much potential to grow all of that like you are tracking a lot of stuff to make yourself better do you believe that technology will advance so much where artificial intelligence will come and AI will replace teachers we are not the first movers on AI as far as ed tech is concerned because we think responsible AI is very very important than just to do one product launch so when we started our AI journey we also partnered with Google and we partnered with IIIT to say that how do we get best quality AI first AI will solve certain kind of problem in education what are the one or two problems which we want them to solve one of those was easy and I think everybody does that today is doubt solving that at 12 o 'clock a child is asking how soon how fast can you give from 2-3 years ago physically many people did work slowly that has almost vanished and now AI is 85-90 % accuracy to give doubts if the child is not satisfied he can say I will still like to talk to the tutor and the tutor will answer that question but we realized this is plain vanilla simple one This was not a big thing.

1:15:15What is so unique? One of the biggest problems for a 2 to 4 year journey Some kids start from 9th class, some kids start from 11th class In the way of need. In the 2 to 4 years, it will be like a lot of times that my marks are not good. I am demotivated. We saw a great value for an AI to be part of that journey. so he said instead of trying to build an ai teacher can we build ai mentor because again coaching so ai mentor was the biggest thing which we have been working really hard and we are very near to our launch what will the ai mentor do now i have given a test and i have 78 out of 100 out of it.

1:16:05Now individually every child has 22 marks where has gone. This is physically impossible to talk about. You can do analysis. But AI can do that. How much time has taken? How much time has taken? Absolutely. So we have said that one AI mentor is like building. The most important report decoding is. Because if you report decoding is, 90 % problem is solved. because today I got marks in which I had good where I had bad for the child individually for every teacher for every child is not possible but AI could do that in my journey I need motivation I need that character in Kota Factory I really love that character I think what can be a character with every child can that That mentor, Ajitubhiyah and Swetha Didi is with everybody when I need that.

1:17:07At 11am I'm seeing results at 11am, I don't understand why I got it. A small discussion started and imagine it has to be a voice based thing. To say that, you know that in class, 40 children have tested today. Question number 7, only 7 % of children have atriotide and you have one. Now you are talking about the teacher thing. Now you think that it is a single motivation. Okay. In one question, I am a 7 % student. You know that you had studied this topic and sub-topic. And there were three questions. Three of them had written. And that level of granular data, I don't think humanly possible. Now that comes back.

1:17:56And it seems that I am studying. If there are questions from there, I am doing it right. Next time I will see the syllabus. What topics are you going to test with? I will go to their videos. So that I do it. And the mentor also a day before the examination tells. This person is an exam. In topics. Let's watch these four videos. Nice. My learning journey will be so easy. I have somebody to talk to. Yeah. we don't want to replace teacher I think I respect a lot teachers and I think we respect them we need to help if you get data how can you make every student succeed from whatever potential he has we don't try to make number one but they are their number one I just need that extra nudge through that AI so that every child gets a new insight for himself.

1:18:59And while you're giving tests, AI will also monitor you. Absolutely. Where did you get to it? How much time did you take it? How much easier did you do it? Which thing you do every time? Every weekend? Which thing you do every time? Correct. So many reporting and analysis. Interesting. And then, how can it be used in motivation? Can it be used in learning? There are no new things. You haven't done any questions in this topic. You haven't done any questions wrong. Let's listen. Let's listen. practice it. And you say no, practice my help. Interesting, very interesting. This is a new way of learning.

1:19:32It's a new way of learning. And this is where AI will be most helpful and that's why we chose to say that this will take time to build but build it right and we think we think this will define the way as an industry we are working. This is how for a podcast. This is truly implemented. Infinity learn will go places like this is so good wow i i don't know at least from the theory or from what you're saying yeah it sounds great i don't know how much help will this implement in reality how much will it be better worse how much time will it be but listening on principle level it sounds so good and if you're able to deliver and accurately actually tell what you're saying it's mind-blowing

1:20:23it's insane absolutely we started with the pilot that we gave it and voice is still a little costly text is cheaper but we are just hoping that by the time we have a larger commercial launch if we can launch with voice so we are talking to people globally to say that how can we bring the cost of voice low and that is why lot of lot of other students who are not studying with us but just come to take test with us. Yeah. Because they see that this is an insightful information which I'll get just by taking this test. It's a very heavy incentive. Yeah. It's really good. Amazing. Wow. Now I don't even want to know whether you'll be replacing teachers or no because I'm just interested to see this work that teachers help.

1:21:10Because teachers have pinpointed insight. It's all that comes to mind but it's a problem. this is a little problem in this chapter. It's a little problem. It's like everybody will come up with that. This thought has bothered me over the years that how far my industry built the blood report. I've spoken about the same. That every day we cracked this, education will be seen differently. And it is not a new thought. over the years bothered me personally to say that how can we build equivalent to a blood report and the genesis of the thought comes from there to say that if we can have a report that say for instance 78 is good and 22 is not right which is just like a report then for the teacher also to go back and say bhai bas ye karna hai you don't have to again say 4 hours or math study.

1:22:14No, you don't have math for 4 hours. In these two chapters, you have to do two questions again. One is watching a video and you have to do two questions again. That's it. So what was the blood report for the pharma and health industry? You want to do that for education and coaching industry? Brilliant. Brilliant. With that note, thank you so much for answering almost all my questions. And it was a pleasure having you again. I loved this podcast. I didn't think that I will talk about all these things. But it's just amazing to understand. I'm blown away by two, three things. I'm really enjoying to understand the logic and the self-control thing, what inquisitive thing and the way you guys are building the platform.

1:22:57I think this is the right way to do things. This is amazing. Thank you so much for doing this. Pleasure is mine. You've been a great host and I really enjoyed talking over the cup of coffee. Perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you. Books. I have a interesting book based on one just. Determined. A free will. Is it like a great? No, it is not. It is more like a little scientific way to look at world. My genre is in three phases. It's either understanding ourselves. So it's more like self work. I read books. asking myself a hard question. Second is human behavior, consumer behavior. I really like it.

1:23:45And third is about data and world. So how AI is changing the world, or how data is changing the world. Or Amazon's letters or investors. Big things about life. So I was just thinking about these three things. Because one day I have to be a Jeff Bezos,

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