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4:04Badongi Wumpalazula, incredible player, but he's been treated like a dog. A street dog, a sewer dog. And I'm reliably informed that Flo Badoos is a great guy, very fashionable, Very muscular Chiari, I think it would be best for both of us If Gabagol Badooby Got back in that pitch against Belgium Alright, bye bye, bye bye

4:27Pete Donaldson: Staying forever young everybody Welcome to the Football Rambles Spain are through, Portugal are out Belgium are through and the US are out It's Tuesday 7th July, I'm Marcus Speller I'm Pete Donaldson And I'm Vincian Arantaraja

4:51Pete Donaldson: Hello, everybody. It's a terrific Tuesday here on the Football Ramble. And we're nearly done with the round of 16. We've got most of the quarterfinals lined up. The World Cup's hotting up, Petey. It is, yes. I'm wearing pants. For a change. I'm wearing flip-flops. I'm wearing me little flip-flops. Oh, lovely. In celebration of German supermarkets. German supermarkets. Unlike the national team They don't let the good people of Germany go

5:19Marcus Speller: Yeah, it's not at those prices Little if you're watching I did not know you as a flip-flopsman But these are very on brand To be honest, I got out of the house And I was like, fuck it They were on his neighbour's porch And he thought, bollocks No they weren't, they were in the aisle You walked out barefoot today You left the house without shoes, didn't you? Papa needs shoes

5:42Pete Donaldson: Why did you not think Pete was a flip-flopman?

5:45Marcus Speller: I don't know It's because of my disgusting toes

5:47Pete Donaldson: Please don't look at my toes

5:48Marcus Speller: No, because I think Well, that as well He's an espadrillman Yeah, well, exactly A very, very strong espadrillman I reckon back in Maybe about ten years ago You were a boat shoeman Yeah, yeah, definitely Yeah, yeah You probably have a school Ballet pumps Yes Early noughties Ballet pumps Luke likes a boat shoe Yeah, Luke does like a boat shoe But Luke buys things That are like A brand you've never heard of But are somehow Very good quality And he'll talk about How good quality the shoe is or the jumper is or the court is So he's always been a dad? He's always been a dad He's always got actually it's a very you know it's got amazing amounts of heat retention and all of the people who go outdoors and you know live their lives in tents and stuff they really swear by these courts and I'm like Luke you're too young for this You have to justify the price and he's also

6:36Pete Donaldson: his best mate is Mr Mavis Right Mr Mavis Oh he's always on Instagram trying to sell people's stuff Oh I see Mr Mavis

6:43Marcus Speller: You know what they say? Buy well, buy once.

6:46Pete Donaldson: Yes. Which is... Boring.

6:49Marcus Speller: Hasn't been Manchester United's transfer strategy for a long time. Neither of the middle island Lidl as well. I've been really disappointed with their Dremel knockoffs, if I'm honest.

6:57Pete Donaldson: Okay. Well, there we are, you see. Now, let's move on to Portugal 0, Spain 1. Cristiano Ronaldo's Portugal, and it is Cristiano Ronaldo's Portugal, are out of the World Cup. They were beaten by their friendly neighbours, Spain 1-0. Putting the I don't want to watch it in Iberian Palincho. Yeah.

7:17Marcus Speller: It was a real small plates affair, wasn't it? It was picky. It was a bit picky. It was a tough watch after 2am. I did not feel satisfied at the end of that.

7:29Pete Donaldson: I was expecting it to be a bit more spicier. People often do. But it was just the constant stodgy albondigas. It was, yeah. Or patatas bravas. Just too stodgy. Can I say the very, very popular and in vogue football phrase at the moment? Spain got the job done. Got the job done. It's all about getting jobs done. When did football become Wicks? That's what I want to know.

7:54Marcus Speller: Ever since Glenn Johnson stole a toilet? Or was that from B &Q? That was from B &Q, wasn't it? He didn't steal a toilet. He didn't steal a whole toilet. Spain does the job. Could you go with Iberico Haram? I always go with that. Really good. because you're offending two different peoples there as well. That's really good. Everyone's going with Haram ball. If you do play boring football, it's Haram football, which I don't think is fair. But I'm using it anyway. And that's why I will be pulled into any problematic group of people if I think they've got loud enough voices. You like the blank square in Scrabble, but for hate.

8:28Pete Donaldson: You didn't have to say dicks out for Haram ball, though, did you? No, I didn't have to do that. Now that is disrespectful. Hey, come on! You told me about that All those years ago Except for Rambe Yeah Oh yeah He didn't get that He didn't get that No Probably best we explained it And then let's move on As quickly as possible We will remember him

8:49Marcus Speller: The The first half of this Wasn't that bad No it wasn't that bad Come on It was Two teams feeling each other out And then they just realised In the second half They didn't want to dance With one another Yeah And I think the goal sums up What Spain did better than Portugal Because Mikel Moreno Gets the goal Gets the foul gets up quickly gets taken quickly he makes a run beyond the back line brilliantly found scores lovely finish and that was the difference Spain were just more proactive in that second half

9:18Pete Donaldson: it was just that teensy little switching off from Portugal and I think with this Spain side it must be exhausting playing against them because just every we've seen this from Spanish sides for a number of years and obviously they've placed like different styles you know it's not like the 2010 team you know you go all the way back when they won the World Cup but it is that they're just the mental exhaustion you have to you can switch off for just the smallest well their forwards are just very comfortable in midfield and their best striker is midfield so it's really upsetting he might have scored actually Algebel he had a good chance didn't he but also the way

9:54Marcus Speller: Olmo found him so good yeah I know where to see a first time through ball in that position

9:59Pete Donaldson: we know they've got it in them and I think with Spain I think actually they got the job done is relevant here because Portugal are a good side despite playing a middle-aged man up front. And they're a hard side to break down. And this is a derby match. So just get through is really it. But they just waited and waited and they pounced in that moment. And look, it could have gone, I mean, Portugal had won off the bar and so on, but I always felt Spain were just that little bit better. A little bit more assured, weren't they? And maybe that's because they had 11 players on the pitch you could actually run around.

10:37Pete Donaldson: I mean, the inquest is going to be starting Ronaldo. That is it. I mean, Chris Sutton was going... I know Chris Sutton can be a bit of a sourpuss, but my goodness, he wasn't pulling any punches on the BBC. He was going off on one, he really was. I saw him being indulged at Roxxum for that one single match. Indulged. Yeah, he did enjoy it. Take it from me, he's saying, as a striker. But, I mean, what did you think of that, Vish? We talked so much about Ronaldo and him starting games for Portugal at this World Cup and so on and so forth. This, we think, will be his last World Cup, but honestly, Portugal are co-hosting for his time.

11:12Pete Donaldson: Saudi are hosting it in eight years' time. Don't be surprised if we see 49-year-old Ronaldo hobbling around the pitches of Saudi. He'll be at least the manager. And he won't he take his badges because you wear for a FIFA or just play, oh, fuck it, who cares?

11:26Marcus Speller: They'll have invented a rule that in the third, sixth of the game, you're allowed to bring on a veteran, like an all-star player. Yeah, nice. I actually didn't think he played that badly last night. I thought every time he got the ball, he gave it. I thought he made decent runs, but he was always in the way. There was a point in the first half where he got the ball, Portugal were going to counterattack, and you could clearly tell, he did a couple of step overs, that ultimately killed the momentum of that move and then played the ball backwards when he didn't need to, which spoke to me of a man who's just thinking of his all-round stats.

12:07Marcus Speller: He doesn't want to show up on pass completion, on touches. He doesn't want to be ridiculed on any of that stuff. And also, he was just standing in the position that Fernandes likes to come into, that Vitinha likes to run into. And that's the problem, isn't it? And there it is, yeah. And he makes the pitch. Well, honestly, all told, who cares anymore? but he made the pitch smaller for Portugal and you saw Neto putting a couple of balls in across the six yard box and he just wasn't there and it's like it's not really what he does on the ball anymore it's where he isn't most of the time he's constantly demanding the ball but being unable to really do much of anything with it just slowing it down with some really laboured step overs

12:50Pete Donaldson: but the problem is in his mind as you were saying, it's like, he'll be saying, all right, can I keep up? Can I give it? You can't have that. Not at the top table of football. You need a player who is on song and is going, right, okay, what's the right move? You're not sort of double, you know, checking yourself and all this sort of stuff you're saying. I mean, again, to quote Chris Sutton, you know, Ronaldo's out waddling around the field like a granddad. That's why Portugal are out, you know. And I think that that's it. You know, there's too much focus, there's too much attention. I mean how he played the full 90 I mean when when he brought on Casalo Ramos who I don't think he's a brilliant player but but he played

13:30Marcus Speller: he allows everyone else to play a different way well exactly and he got the goal

13:34Pete Donaldson: against Croatia lest we forget you know he made a vital contribution so you know how Martinez I know Spain scored late but how then does he not think right okay maybe you know I mean it's a very sort of human story we've all around this table presumably watched our you know superhero dads crumble before our very eyes. You know what I mean? And my dad's not up ladders trying to fix stuff in DIY. He sits at home and he watches GB News and shouts at the deli. He's found a hobby. It's a border against it. He does a mix. CNN, Euro News, GB News and then just watches them in a round. It's infuriating.

14:09My dad does exactly the same thing. Just infuriating. He thinks he's getting balanced but he definitely watches GB News more. But just find a hobby. You know you can't do this anymore so find a hobby. Presumably your family are quite nice. Spend more time with them.

14:22Pete Donaldson: Again, the only person I've heard with a slightly different take, not in terms of support of Ronaldo playing, but Brassel saying, our dear old Andy Brassel, saying that when Ronaldo plays for Portugal, the amount of eyes on that Portugal team, the shirts they sell, basically the money that they get. Sorry, Pete's got an American flag in his drink, like an umbrella, and he just took a swig there. And funnily enough, it put me off. He's no bed. Oh say can you say Crack on Marcus I will do Marcus Marcus Yeah Marcus Fuck you Fuck you

15:03Marcus Speller: The best I like the way Marcus Marcus tried to convertly Almost Trojan horse Like bringing insight Via the vessel of Andy Brassel Yeah And you stuff with it Yeah Your opinions Your opinions are nothing please You've already quoted Chris Sutton

15:16Pete Donaldson: Yeah No but Brassel said Which we said on the show The other day Just to remind everybody or tell those who weren't listening the other day and you should be ashamed of yourselves was that you know there is a consideration about basically the money that the Portuguese Football Association get from Ronaldo playing that is it makes you feel horrible when you say that how are they sort of getting that money from Ronaldo I can't figure it out really I think it is shirts aren't that expensive

15:50Marcus Speller: Yeah, but TV revenues... Right. Because also, with someone like Ronaldo, you get TV revenue from different territories. You're basically leading the global market on that front. There was a reason that FIFA overturned his red card at the start of the tournament, because they wanted him there. The revenue he creates, and we're talking about him.

16:12Pete Donaldson: Do you know what I mean? I mean, they're out of the cup. I would have thought you'd rather have a better chance of winning it than having him in there. But I don't think Roberto Martinez, thinks, do you know what, I've got to do it for the Portuguese Football Association.

16:25Marcus Speller: Yeah, I agree with that. I also agree with Pete's thing about the superhero complex. He's never going to see himself as human. And he probably stopped thinking of himself as human from his mid-twenties, basically. But when he started thriving at Real Madrid, when he became that player, almost when he changes his number from nine to seven at Real Madrid, he's the Cristiano Ronaldo.

16:48Pete Donaldson: But to me, it's just such a shame.

16:50Marcus Speller: It is a shame, but also that's part of his ego and he'll have to live with that and those players have had to live with it as well.

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23:45Marcus Speller: Separately, I mean Roberto Martinez I mean from an English perspective thank you for tanking two golden generations of two different teams Thank you for removing Ashur Speed from the tournament

23:55Pete Donaldson: So I'm not doing this.

23:57Marcus Speller: I know you're not doing that because also I actually think Portugal are going to be better in this cycle because of Ronaldo, because of the fact they've got Vittina and Giannevers who are outstanding.

24:07Pete Donaldson: Well, the only reason I'm going to push back on you saying about Tank in two generations and this is not because I had a very nice, albeit brief, chat with Roberto Martinez in the bogs at Craven Cottage. It feels like something entirely about that. I bet you followed him to go and watch Jason Derulo at the R2 as well. Oh, if he'd have asked me. but I mean again people slag him off for his time at Belgium he was the only manager that got a tune out of those Belgian players when they returned from the 2018 World Cup they were returned as heroes you know you remember them in the square in I assume Brussels you know they had their third place medals around their necks people go well they were beaten by the best team in the tournament France in the semi-final so I don't think he did tank a Belgian generation which in previous tournaments were actually you know badly managed in 2014-2016

24:53Marcus Speller: quite a few of those players are still there. Yeah,

24:55Pete Donaldson: there are a few of them. I mean, Kevin De Bruyne is.

24:57Marcus Speller: Now in the quarterfinals of the World Cup.

24:59Pete Donaldson: Fine. Come on.

25:00Marcus Speller: I know, yeah, yeah. But I'm being flippant about Martinez but at the same time I think he's, yeah.

25:05Pete Donaldson: And also, he did win the Nations. He's won silverware with Portugal. Is this the first World Cup sure mention of the Nations League? No, no, no, no, not with Mira. No, but the reason why I say that is because I just, I just think it is, it's not actually true that Martinez is that bad. I'm not saying he's good. I'm not saying I think he has mismanaged this team and it is a contributing factor of why they're out. I mean, look, they were beaten by Spain. That can happen even if they had Eusebio up front in his pomp, I should say. I don't know, like an old forward. That would be ridiculous.

25:42Marcus Speller: Would the corpse of Eusebio be more effective than... At least if he was reanimated, he'd freak the fuck out of any of that. I tell you what,

25:49Pete Donaldson: you would certainly get broadcasters queuing up for that, wouldn't you? don't put ideas in their heads though for crying out loud but I imagine Pedri being haunted by the

26:00Marcus Speller: zombie Eusebio Rodri had the game of well his season I would say yeah Rodri was in there against him and he probably wouldn't have done that if there was a dead corpse on the pitch

26:08Pete Donaldson: no well there was five violins running around the pitch if you know your Portuguese football history but look enough of the bollocks sorry everybody but look we're talking about this tournament and the here and now and Roberto Martinez has come up short because he kept playing Ronaldo up front. And whatever, even if the Portuguese Football Association did put a lot of pressure on him to play Ronaldo, which I doubt they would have done.

26:32Marcus Speller: But it's hard to drop Ronaldo. It is hard to drop Ronaldo. It is fundamentally hard.

26:35Pete Donaldson: But you have to make the big calls if you're a manager. And ultimately, they've gone out with a bit of a whimper against Spain. Again, I get it that Spain are a good side. You know, you can't just expect to turn up and beat a side who are on a great run, a winning run and haven't conceded a goal at this tournament and blah, blah, blah. blah but the buck will stop with roberto martinez and there will be people calling for his head in portugal without a doubt there was a lot of people in portugal who were unimpressed with that appointment like i say he did win the nation's league and for what that's worth i think when you do get to the semis in the final of the nation's league i think there is a little bit of something on it clearly it's a far cry from the euros in the world cup but he did win that and they beat spain in the final as well but they finished this tournament going out earlier than they would have liked in fact and one of the reasons for that is because they were on the other side of the draw as well.

27:19Pete Donaldson: You know, they kind of messed it up a bit in the first round. Now, Colombia are no mugs and they're a good side and they earned that first place in the group. And again, that can happen. But ultimately, there will be the feeling I would imagine quite strongly in Portugal is this is a bit of a failure of a tournament. And even against Croatia who really on another day, Portugal shouldn't have that amount of bother beating. They just got through it. So, you know, they're out. They're up much earlier than they would have liked to have been.

27:49Marcus Speller: The other shame of it is, you look at that midfield three of Vitinha, Neves and Fernandes. I mean, that is... I mean, that's, you know, form-wise, that has been the best middle three.

28:00Pete Donaldson: I mean, it's up there. You look at the back line as well. You know, Nuno Mendes at full, but, you know, Ruben Diaz. I mean, it's always nice to see Jarrell Felix.

28:10Marcus Speller: I had to rewind. I saw him tracking back yesterday.

28:13Pete Donaldson: Well, Jarrell Felix?

28:14Marcus Speller: Yeah.

28:15Pete Donaldson: Blimey, O 'Reilly. I think he forgot that it was half time and they switched. he was running that way he's getting a new footballing education in Saudi they're obviously teaching him these things but you know you look at that team you can't just coast here I know what you've been like previously on Lesca Madrid but you can't coast here but even the players they bring on I mean he's a bit older but Bernardo Silva comes on you know Raphael Leal comes on they've got players it's why one or two people would have had them down to win it I mean I believe our own David Cartlidge did is that a mistake because he's been very critical of them throughout the tournament I think maybe he filled in the form role or something I don't know but it's again you can lose a knockout game to Spain but you can show a bit more but you have to yeah with that amount of talent and it was just so obvious that this was going to happen and Ronaldo as you say didn't play that badly in one you know it was sort of one metric but on the other hand it's like what is that?

29:10Pete Donaldson: yeah if he's back in the dressing room

29:12Marcus Speller: being like well I did my bit it's like that's the problem yeah it was your bit

29:17Pete Donaldson: specifically your bit well the whole sort of you know the now sort of very infamous Jamie Carragher leave football before the football leaves you it happens to everybody on amateur pitches around the country or top level you go from right what can I do here how can I influence the game how can I make something happen what can I do to help the team how can I put a bit of swagger in this you know whatever it is and you get to a certain point and I am talking from experience here you get to a certain point where you go oh I managed to get through that game I didn't mess up I didn't cost my team I didn't hinder it and that's where Ronaldo is now I don't not in his mind

29:54Marcus Speller: no but I think but I think it's a different conversation for people like Ronaldo and Lionel Messi specifically because football never leaves them parts of football bend to their whim but Messi's a different

30:07Pete Donaldson: no no Neymar would be a better example he's brought on and then I mean that's just ludicrous

30:12Marcus Speller: but there will always be a market I mean like you know a footballing market for Ronaldo so therefore he will never think that it's left him because it yeah he can point to the figures yeah because football contorts itself to accommodate him

30:28Pete Donaldson: no of course but not this Portugal side not in a knockout game against Spain you know I'm talking about the context he's grabbed that out of six like save the video game industry with one title he's too big to fail yeah oh look he could be playing Masters football when he's 70 do you know what I mean like he'll always be able to contribute something on a football pitch somewhere. But that's not the conversation. The conversation is last 16 tie in a World Cup.

30:50Marcus Speller: Yeah, but he won't... I mean, you're sorry. I realise it sounds like I'm arguing with you here, but I totally agree with the underlying point. I just really think that for him in particular, he won't see that as his fault. No. He will never see stuff like that as his fault.

31:06Pete Donaldson: But going back to what I've said before, this is a great shame. Yeah. Because had he been used as that potential impact sub or whatever, or even come off after an hour... He'd be better for it. He'd be better for it. And also, this conversation wouldn't be happening. We would say, do you know what? I'll be honest with you. If he was brought on the last sort of 10, 20 minutes of games, I'd honestly relish seeing him coming on. And that's the difference. When he starts games, I'm like, Martin is what you're doing. And that is it. When he comes on, the fanfare, oh, here comes a bit. What can he still do?

31:36Pete Donaldson: And if he doesn't do anything, you know, you come on the last minute, you don't influence a game. He'd be just beloved as Modric, wouldn't he? Yeah, exactly. I know, but unfortunately the conversation, and then the conversation becomes this or the nutters defending him because he can do no wrong

31:49Marcus Speller: it's also potentially Bruno Fernandes is the last World Cup I mean that's mad if that's the case he's 31 and like he'll be thoroughly pissed off yeah and the way he plays his football certainly at club level because he has to at Manchester United is he puts everything out there he's going to age quickly do you think he's had a disappointing tournament

32:09Pete Donaldson: despite I think we should concentrate on other parts of the team then Bruno Fernandes he's not had the best tournament

32:15Marcus Speller: I think he's not had the kind of numbers posting tournament but then I suppose he's never going to because he's playing in a better team and he's ironically he's less integral because of the Ronaldo thing we talked about but I suppose he doesn't have to be as all action because of Vettinia and Neves but even then what a ways they've been

32:33Pete Donaldson: but Vettinia's not had a great tournament no but they

32:36Marcus Speller: yeah I suppose at some point we've got to take the blame off Ronaldo and also sure there's a whole team there fine I think that's fair fundamentally it is a shame there's so many good players in that tournament you always I felt a bit like this with Mexico obviously different because I'm supporting England when they're playing them but it's like that's a shame that we lose Mexico as a team as a fan base and I think from the Portuguese perspective from my point of view anyway it's about losing so many good players like that yeah

33:05Pete Donaldson: but I mean look it was Spain they lost to do you know what I mean so there is that to keep in mind but I mean I think the general vibe of Portugal's World Cup campaign hasn't been a good hasn't been a good one

33:17Marcus Speller: do you know who I've liked who I didn't really know all that much about Boehner

33:21Pete Donaldson: yeah he's come in and done well yeah you've got to say because Nico Williams very classy operator yeah he has done very well he has done very well and it was nice to see Mikel Moreno doing his thing off the bench finishing like the striker that he now is absolutely insane beautiful striker

33:34Marcus Speller: and the near post as well that's a lovely

33:35Pete Donaldson: keepers not expecting that is he a few months ago Portugal manager Roberto Martinez that guy he revealed he believes in numerology, a divine relationship between numbers and real world events and he said in May that the number six can bring something very good to Portugal, while Mikel Moreno wears number six and yesterday was the 6th of July

33:57Marcus Speller: he got flip reversed one more six and that's a bad one isn't it it was a man from downstairs

34:03Pete Donaldson: well actually man's number is six right, oh I see, yes is he in the crystals as well God's number as well as Cristiano Ronaldo's is seven make what you will of that so surely that's the end of Ronaldo at the international level Petey? I would say so Peter right now can you officially retire him yeah announce Cristiano Ronaldo's end of international football can you stare down the barrel as well? I'm going to do it like John Cena did when they announced Sam Bin Laden's death good ladies ladies and gentlemen Cristiano Ronaldo has been compromised to a permanent end there we are it's official, the round will have done it and a wave of a small American flag has sealed the deal there we are

34:50Marcus Speller: where do we go from there?

34:52Pete Donaldson: I think we go for a break coming up after this, the US lost and there wasn't a single bit of controversy at all

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37:06Marcus Speller: You know the other thing as well Is because The great thing about World Cup is so many other people get involved And it sparks an interest in football And you can see that around America Huge Even for the training camps and stuff like that But then it also shows you a side to a country That you wouldn't normally see Through football And this Following Balogun's situation Has really shown how Conditioned Some parts of like you know the American press are to Trump's corruption that it was you know some of them were like well you know this is what he does and he's done this now so we just got to deal with it it's like no don't do that Rubio was like well on board as well I don't even mean Rubio like just like journalists who are like oh yeah but like you know Belgium are better than USA that's not the point I'm sure these these dirty deals have been done before this is almost confirmed that this sort of thing happens all of the time but they're not usually as successful and so you know obvious and also like whenever you make a deal with Trump, he's not even going to use it as a political kind of like win.

38:10He's just going to use it as an egotistical personal win and he's going to grandstand. It's not political capital, it's just ego and it's kind of like, you're going to look like a fucking fool and you're going to bring your game into disrepute. So well done Gianni, you've really fucked it.

38:24Pete Donaldson: Well it has, because when Trump says that, it undermines Infantino so much. Your credibility

38:32Marcus Speller: is finished.

38:33Pete Donaldson: Well, I was about to say he would have made Gianni Infantino, well, he did make him look like a fool, and Infantino must have felt so stupid. But did he?

38:47Marcus Speller: I don't know. I just don't know. Should we run through the actual situation as well? We should do, yeah.

38:52Pete Donaldson: So obviously the build-up of the game was dominated by that Fuller-in-Baligan red card from the previous round, which he was given a suspended red card, which is an interesting thing. If he does a yellow card, does he get red automatically? I don't know how that works.

39:08Marcus Speller: It has to be the same level of crime. Which is not how suspended sentences work. Double jeb.

39:13Pete Donaldson: I'm sure everybody...

39:16Marcus Speller: What is following Balog and red cards?

39:19Pete Donaldson: And I'm sure everybody's on top of this, but just in case maybe one or two people aren't. So FIFA's disciplinary code does not permit appeals against straight red cards. But on Sunday, obviously FIFA announced under Article 27 of its disciplinary code. The sending off would be rescinded. Same article that FIFA used to allow Cristiano to play in the first two games of the tournament. Donald Trump, of course, came out and said, yeah, I had a word with him and the job's a good one. He can play and all that kind of stuff. He said he didn't think it was a foul. I'm good at this stuff. I didn't think it was a foul.

39:51Pete Donaldson: All I did ask for was a review. And Infantino reiterated, I wish to reiterate a fundamental principle of FIFA governance. FIFA judicial bodies are independent, ever so independent. Belgium are very unhappy about this and appealed the decision, but that appeal was deemed inadmissible by FIFA because, according to them, Belgium is not a party to the proceedings and, as such, has no standing to appeal the decision. Apart from the fact that he's going to be playing against your football team. I mean, there is that picture. Thank goodness they pumped them for one. Well, yeah, I mean, it's like, he's there to be slapped, Trump.

40:29You didn't need to do this. He's been quiet on the World Cup front. He's been, like, the ballroom, Iran, like, the birthright citizenship stuff. He's getting slapped left, right, and center. Give him another slap. He's not going to, he's just going to back down. What are you going to do? Move the World Cup out of the fucking US? You're going to get beaten anyway by a Belgium side like this. It was like, the way that the US kind of rocked this match, they went from like they were running like like top dog software on underdog hardware it was like we're the top dogs we deserve this we need our best players to play because we're America but do you think they were?

41:02and then Christian Pulisic turns up with that kind of fucking performance but when you say

41:06Pete Donaldson: but when you say we're doing this we're doing that I don't think the team are doing that I think you know why would you accept that? why would Balogun want to be part of this particular situation? his part in it a player is always going to accept that he said I accepted the red card when it was given I accept the decision to overturn it a player is always going to do that England if it was England look England had benefited in the Euros with this Rain Rooney got sent off who was it away to Montenegro in the final qualifying game and he got a straight red card and should have had a three match suspension in Euro 2012 and for whatever reason that got reduced to two matches we've got short we have got short memories to finish so it's not quite that and yes we're getting into whataboutery I understand that which is usually unhelpful and you know each you know case as it comes but if this happens say with Harry Kane and we know Trump's a fan of Harry Kane but if Kane got sent off you know against Mexico for whatever thing and we were like oh my goodness he's going to miss the quarter final and then for some reason Infantino you know Trump says you know as he did on Twitter I really like Harry Kane and he phoned Infantino and come on let him play we'd find that funny it would be ludicrous I think as football fans and what we're used to we'd be like that's ridiculous will take it, but it's ridiculous.

42:20Pete Donaldson: I suspect that's probably what a lot of fans over there felt. Now, the difference is, is that that Balogun red card, I believe, shouldn't have been given. So I think that there was an understandable feeling of injustice there. I think the idea that everyone's coming out the woodwork and going, wow, can Gerald Kwanza... No, that was a red card. You know, let's just not be silly here.

42:40Marcus Speller: I mean, also, the Balogun one, I think, was a red card. I think it was a red card as well. Do you? We don't need to get into the weeds of that.

42:47Pete Donaldson: But there you go. So I think there was a mass feeling of injustice in America. And this goes back to your politics here, Peter. There was a big sense of injustice. And having spoken to some American football fans and broadcasters, they said, you know what? The thing actually has started to unite the country and started to bring people into watching this World Cup or being interested in this World Cup is, yes, it's been the performances and the wins, but you're getting people from all areas who were not that interested because of this red card. And often a sense of injustice can bring people together and it can bring people in.

43:22Pete Donaldson: And therefore...

43:23Marcus Speller: It's the drama of the controversy as well. Totally fine.

43:25Pete Donaldson: So that suddenly becomes centre stage and you've got an unpopular president who's, as you say, being slapped about. It's his chance to suddenly go, do you know what? I can get a win for my people here. And that's where it's all come from. As sickly as that is, that's almost certainly where it's come from.

43:39Marcus Speller: It's also purely on him. He's always been someone who wants to get involved when something is going well. He did it with the Knicks in their finals run. He made a big song and dance about going to Madison Square Garden for one of their games against the Spurs. The Knicks lost that. He's done it previously and other things. The US team were doing really well. And actually, like cars on the table, they just lost to a better team. That happens. But in that manner, I mean, I suppose you can argue. Yeah, and obviously the manner is, you know, it's pretty lame. And there are a lot of people rooting against the US because of it.

44:11Pete Donaldson: Well, Timothy Cazania said it's great to have the world on our side against the United States. Yeah. the game.

44:16Marcus Speller: So, but the other thing is kind of from off the back of what Pete said as well, feel a bit bad for the US players, feel bad for Pochettino, feel really bad for Balogun and I thought it was really good of Belgian manager Rudy Garcia to tell people that actually like Balogun came up to him and had a chat about it and said like, you know, obviously out of my hands and he obviously said a few things because Garcia was like really appreciated that. He didn't need to do that. It's not on him. It shouldn't be on him. but what you get like on the purely sporting drama and theatre side of it are scenes at the end when Romelu Lukaku's dancing like Donald Trump after getting that fourth role you gotta remember like Pulis just did that dance a couple years ago so you're like enjoy it enjoy this little and also the beauty of our sport and I say ours in like not just us but everyone's the people yeah is that in some way those kind of scores get settled on the pitch and in a way like that it was actually, I mean it was a fucking brilliant game

45:17Pete Donaldson: Belgium were brilliant

45:18Marcus Speller: but the US and the fans and just the energy around the game was a wonderful thing it wasn't too dissimilar to the feeling around the start of that England-Mexico game the way that kind of we always love when a horse nation goes deep into a tournament and the US have such a high ceiling and certainly so many people to kind of choose from when it comes to professional football is in the national squad. So they are, but you'd probably say on balance, this is probably where their tournament would be ending anyway, just simply because, you know, you're coming up against a really, not even dogged, just, you know, the Belgians are a better side, but they know fundamentally how to win football matches in knockout tournaments.

46:02Pete Donaldson: It was almost like a perfect game for Belgium. They came through against Senegal where they really should have been eliminated. And so they've got this, you know, there'd be such a euphoric celebration and feeling after that game. They're playing against a team they know they're better than. Talking about injustice, galvanising people, well, they would have been galvanised by this. They know exactly what they're to do. And Dekata Lowry comes on and turns up at the tournament, gets a couple of goals. You know, he looked great. And then you bring him off and you bring on Romelu Lukaku, who, again, absolutely loves a goal at international level.

46:32Pete Donaldson: And of course he scored again. I think he's the first player to have scored three goals from the bench in World Cup history. so it's working for them and you chuck in you know the craft of Tielamons in there and so on and so forth and American mistakes in this game I mean that third goal I mean Matt Fries like there's how many times like if you've got your chance to put your foot through the ball the game is poised you're a goal down he just he just hesitates and he does really well

47:00Marcus Speller: at the start I thought yeah very composed very composed and then even then

47:05Pete Donaldson: the shot Tim Ream like just showing his age there I suppose I love Tim Reeves, he'd be a Fulham fan, but he probably should have done better there. So almost two errors in one and then the fourth goal as well. They've looked so organised this tournament. I know. They've defended beautifully, but... I felt, though, that before the tournament, American fans were concerned about their national team, and I understand that. I think they've ultimately given a good account of themselves, and they've got a bit of cheer and so on. And Pochettino has got them playing, but he looked frustrated all game. I think this was...

47:34Pete Donaldson: They played against a better side, not a great side but certainly a better side they didn't need this row I think it genuinely led to the detriment really you know the entirety of the world just sort of going fuck you USA it's not a place you want to be

47:46Marcus Speller: you bring together a side who late on well rather that second drinks break in the Senegal game in the round before were fighting amongst each other like there's just they lost a bit of that edge there

47:59Pete Donaldson: but that's mental though how the turnaround because 95 times out of 100 and even that's maybe being generous Belgium lose that game and they go out in very, very bad circumstances and bad fashion.

48:10Marcus Speller: Martinez's fault again, yeah.

48:12Pete Donaldson: I can't push back on that. But they go out arguing among themselves against a side who have really sort of torn them to pieces largely and they've gone, well, now they're in a quarterfinal having an amazing turnaround. They've just battered the host there, easy peasy. The feeling in the Belgium camp is great now and they're looking forward to a game against Spain.

48:34Marcus Speller: I wonder if you it's worth you know when we see how far Belgium actually get in this World Cup or how much further it'd be really fascinating to know you know what went on during that drinks break to sort out that argument between Tielemans and Trossard because if if there is no break they're arguing on the field and Pete as a Newcastle fan you know what that can lead to sometimes they are not settling whatever gripe they have if they're not all walking off at that particular moment in the 72nd, 73rd minute. And ever since that point, they've been the most together team. And also, you know, Deketelari up front, getting those couple of goals, having someone of the stature of Lukaku being so comfortable coming off the bench and giving them that extra dexterity, even, you know, like, you know, Doku doesn't starve for them.

49:26No, well, Luka Baku scored a couple of goals against them, like, earlier this year, I think. And it was almost a bit of a cheat code. he was like well he knows how to play against them and not having Doc on the side would have been such a big story if Luka Baku hadn't just absolutely done him over yeah

49:41Pete Donaldson: Trossard was good as well Trossard was good yeah they were good value for the win and our dear producer Tom has put in the running order because I mentioned Wayne Rooney earlier saying he got his suspension reduced in Euro 2012 apparently he went over to Switzerland in a training session with some children and that got the suspension that's like a community service driver's awareness course kind of thing if you sign enough if you sign enough footballs miniature footballs for children then you're fine so that's the way to do it that is the way to do it on the side of an interstate and you get taken back on you get there and it's really clean

50:15Marcus Speller: it's like where are these Japanese fans coming from we've been asking for World Cup correspondence throughout the tournament we have Evan Armstrong emailed us I was walking out of the Paraguay versus France game yesterday when I was approached by several scantily clad ladies I was given this free admission pass for Sin City, a strip club here in Philadelphia. It bought itself as the official strip club of the FIFA World Cup 2026. Oh, they're getting away with that. He attached the pass which has FIFA World Cup 2026 official strip club on it. Do we think that A, this will fall foul of FIFA sponsorship rules a la Cosmic Charlies, or B, will Gianni, Trump and Corp need to have an official visit to Sin City for a big old buffet and an official inspection?

50:58As Marcus would say, answers on a postcard. I mean, putting aside just the general bafflement, whenever you go to America, how accepted strip clubs are in quite a religiously kind of repressive, in the grand scheme of things kind of country. Where's the conference? Have they ever had a FIFA sponsored flesh spot before? I just don't understand that. Beautifully put. Have we ever had anything so low well, I don't want to say anything so low rent. Have we had anything so kind of poorly thought out as a

51:31Pete Donaldson: I wouldn't have said it was a religiously oppressed country. It's the land of the free, so you can do what you want. It's the land of the free, yeah. As long as you're a Christian, if you want to get into politics. It's quite oppressive in that business. It's not the case.

51:41Marcus Speller: It's about getting$1 bills with In God We Trust on it and putting it in someone's underwear. Exactly. Oh, yeah, I mean, there is... That's what it's about.

51:50Pete Donaldson: That does feel, as a Christian, that does feel like a contradiction to me.

51:54Marcus Speller: But the, I mean, definitely the official visit. Yeah, a state visit. just like you know Gianni comes I don't we don't know at this point in time in the World Cup how he's getting to the different places so maybe just teleport just appears in the men's bathrooms right

52:11Pete Donaldson: hello whatever you do don't answer this Peter what does Gianni Infantino love the most okay let's say don't answer that because I think it is money and so therefore it will fall foul of FIFA sponsorship rules because they can just get a few quid out of that yeah that's true good point I mean Seth Blatter this week has been criticising Gianni Infantino about the whole US Balogu and's population, when he's having a go at you, you're like, As I said, it's that bad. Bring back bladder.

52:45Pete Donaldson: is what I would say. Bring back bladder.

52:54Marcus Speller: Someone referred to bladder on Twitter, now known as X, as... currently known. A quintessential brown envelopes man. They don't make them like that anymore. Brown envelopes man.

53:06Pete Donaldson: Yeah, yeah. And again, if we've been talking about contradictions, there's an honesty to that kind of brown envelope. Exactly. It's,

53:14Marcus Speller: it's, it's, you know, it's like when,

53:16Pete Donaldson: you know, he never hurt his own. He loved his mum. Handing over a note,

53:19Marcus Speller: even if you're in a brown envelope. Yeah, exactly. That, it just brings people together. It's the old school nature of it. Yes. You can see it happening. Get off your phones and give me a bong.

53:28Pete Donaldson: Yeah. Yeah. Live in the moment.

53:30Marcus Speller: Give me some money.

53:31Pete Donaldson: It's not crypto.

53:32Marcus Speller: Put a briefcase down and let someone else pick it up like in the old days.

53:34Pete Donaldson: You can see the money. It's not this crypto-bollocks. Yes. Yeah. Right, there we are.

53:38Marcus Speller: It's like when people prefer books to a Kindle. Yeah. They're all on board with that.

53:43Pete Donaldson: Today we've got Argentina v. Egypt and it's Messi versus Mo Salah. There's nothing else to talk about. And there's Switzerland versus Colombia. It's the de-fluffing. It's the de-linting, as I said. Yeah.

53:56Marcus Speller: Switzerland-Colombia has a... I won't say that. No, don't say that.

54:02Pete Donaldson: Especially after that previous conversation. It's a good tie, though, that. I think Colombia are a good side.

54:07Marcus Speller: It's a good way to clean money. Extreme point, yes.

54:10Pete Donaldson: Extreme point, yeah. I think Switzerland are... They're well-drilled, etc., etc. But we always... You know, last 16 quarterfinal, I think that would be a good achievement. Colombia are similar as well. But I think... You know what I mean? It feels like those kind of sides, to get to a quarterfinal, would be probably as far as you'd think they would go. But as Luke said earlier, he said, yeah, he said, if Colombia face Argentina in that quarterfinal, he fancied Colombia to win it. I think this Colombian side have got something about them. I feel like, I feel like you sort of see his tightness and you just sort of go, ah, Switzerland, we've got a France, we've got a Norway still in the side.

54:45Can we just have a Colombia in the next round? Is that what you want? That's what my heart says.

54:50Marcus Speller: The heart wants what it wants. I know exactly what you mean. In the most, like, ignorant way possible that we can probably get away with is, you know, That's our MO baby That's our MO Let's make it darker As Tom Witts once said One of my mates Used to be The presentation correspondent For Northern Ireland And Northern Ireland Would get these amazing Gigs You know Playing in South America Against teams Who were Coming up to face England At World Cup Nice Because they'd be like Right What's a country near Northern Ireland Brilliant We'll go and play you And this is a little bit like No we have As you say Like we have They're kind of about there we don't need the one in the middle yeah so sorry Switzerland but Columbia all the way that should be good also there's loads of red we're used to red in club football we're not used to a little bit of red bit of blue a lot of yellow now the Brazilians are gone

55:41Pete Donaldson: we need some yellow in there exactly yeah there we are just for the colour palette of the quarter final why aren't there many sort of club sort of British sides that play in a beautiful yellow because Norwich City got it and everyone else was like ah yeah yeah because it's cowardly it is a cowardly custard colour there we are thank you for listening to the Football Round I'm a part of the Acast Creator Network. Vish and I will be back with Big Lukey Moore tomorrow for some big opinions. Looking forward to it. Big opinions from a man who's six foot and two inches, two measurements. I thought he was 6 '3", but there we are.

56:14Pete Donaldson: All right. Always got his tips. Luke, if you're listening, email in. Yeah. Email in on a postcard. Thank you, Peter. Thank you, bye. Thank you, Vish. Cheers. And thank you, Belgium.

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