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3:13Luke Moore: Breathe deep and take it in, everybody. Welcome to the Football Ramble! Arsenal win the Shield and Rodri is finally on the move. It's Monday, 17th of August. I'm Marcus Speller. I'm Luke Moore. And I'm Jim Campbell.

3:37Luke Moore: Hello, everybody. It's Monday. And what a magnificent Monday in the kingdom. Jim Campbell's purring another trophy. The champions of the community. Yes. Arsenal. Absolutely. I'd like to applaud Arsenal and they find strong community work. Yes, exactly. Bringing the community together. And yes, they do have some more Adidas merch available for sale. I'm sure there will be a Community Shield commemorative zip-up jacket any minute now. Which everyone will buy. Yes. Why not, Jim? Why not? There's another trophy in the cabinet. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is where we're going to start. At breakneck speed, we go into the Community Shield.

4:11Luke Moore: And of course, the game was barely a minute old and Arsenal went 1-0 up. I mean, this game, Jim Campbell, Arsenal versus Manchester City, obviously the two best teams in the land last year. My money is on them being the two best again this year. But we're going to do a prediction show for you tomorrow. Find out where your money's going. Yes, I've already given you a little hint at some of the silvers I'm carrying in my pocket. But Arsenal played Man City and so much has been made, of course, about is this a psychological thing, blah, blah, blah, blah, as it was with the League Cup final all the way back in February.

4:42Luke Moore: And that psychological blow to Arsenal meant that they had to wait a little bit longer to win the title. But this game ended 3-0 to Arsenal. It was 1-0 after one minute. What do you reckon, Jim? It's the biggest win in the Community Shield since Arsenal beat Man City 3-0 in 2014. Yeah, well, I mean, I think the obvious caveat is to, you can only take this game so seriously. In terms of the performance, it was very exciting. It was very different from what we've come to expect from Arsenal. It was a lot more kind of open. They pressed very aggressively. They were front-footed, creative, looked a little bit less inhibited, well, quite significantly less inhibited than we've seen from them.

5:19Luke Moore: Certainly, the back end of last season. I think a lot of that is that they are further along in their preparations than Man City are. And I also think this will probably prompt Man City into buying at least one midfielder or certainly like, you know, calcify them in their intentions to do that because they did look a bit ragged in that department. But, you know, from where I was sat, I couldn't really have asked for more. It's a very encouraging sign as to how ready the team were, which I wasn't quite sure about having seen the previous friendlies. Yes, Luke. Yeah, I think you can definitely see through a lens of, you know, it gives you an idea of where each team is at.

5:55And obviously, usually it's two really big teams. You've got massive ambitions for the following seasons. It's always quite interesting to see, you know, what stage of their preseason they're at. it's probably the most important of the least important games because it's ultimately a pre-season friendly but people will watch it you know cameras are on it you know all the rest of it

6:15Luke Moore: bigger than the Emirates Cup I'd say so I'd say so I think you'd be hard pressed to find a more important pre-season friendly than the Community Shield if you can I know you'll spend the next five minutes thinking about it rather than give me a moment Le Tournois doesn't count they're good on you but I thought Arsenal were good I thought they caught Man City really cold and if I was a Man City fan, I would be worried, and I don't think I'd have been worried had they lost 3-0 with Pep Guardo that was still there, and we weren't all waking up to headlines this morning that their best ever, not their best ever midfielder, but their best midfielder, who is probably the best midfielder in the world, is also off, based on what I saw yesterday as well.

6:56There were far too many tentative, you know, almost still in, you know, holiday mode type performances for Man City and I think you know one of the particular areas I wanted to focus on and Jim's already mentioned it is the midfield of Man City because Elliot Anser's coming brilliant player if you look at the statistics that he kind of garnered last season I mean he's top of all of them it's crazy how statistically impressive he is as a player and he's gone to a big club but I think that thinking you're going to be playing with Rodri and now not playing with Rodri is a massive difference and he's going to be under a lot of pressure.

7:34I thought Donnarumma was dreadful, but absolutely dreadful. Goes down far too early for the first goal, flapping around for the second goal and made the third goal really... I mean, actually, you could probably argue that all three of those goals he made a contribution towards.

7:48Luke Moore: I would say with the second one, that's more where Havertz puts the header, right? There's not really much you can do to it. You've got to dominate that area of the pitch if you're a goalkeeper, though. They can use their hands. Stop being so generous in victory, Jim. The angle that he... I'm actually trying to praise Havert. The angle that he gets that header down at is really difficult for anyone to deal with. Because it's so close to the keeper and he literally can't get his body down. Can we at least admit that it looks bad? Yeah, of course it does. Yeah, it looks bad. He didn't have a good game, Donovan.

8:16He did not have a good game.

8:17Luke Moore: But if he saves that, it's an absolutely world-class save. If he gets a proper save to that. That's what I'm saying. We can argue the toss about this, but I think... The overall point stands. I don't think you could say Donovan had a good game. No, I'm not. I don't think I've seen anybody... I'm gleefully agreeing with you on that front. So, Arsenal, you'd think, actually, and you can't drill down too much over one essentially glorified friendly, but it went exactly as you'd expect it to go, only it was probably a bit better for Arsenal and much worse for Man City. Arsenal are settled. They're in the best position of all the teams who are going to be challenging for the Premier League this season, and they look like they were good, fit and firing and ready to go.

9:00Man City are clearly going to go through some kind of transition. I think the transition they're going to go through is going to be quite a lot harder than people expect.

9:08Luke Moore: Yeah, myself included. And so, but if you're a Man City fan, it doesn't really make for great watching because, you know, Semenyo did nothing, Doku did nothing, Haaland did nothing, Foden came back in, did nothing. You know, so it's... With a reminder of the caveat that this is ultimately a pre-season thing. It's fine, but... A competitive preseason. Yeah, these games kind of do matter. I know you, Marz, you've got to put a marker down. Marescu won't be thinking that. He'll be thinking, we need to find out where we are, where we're at, what this team's all about, and how much they're going to fight against the best team in the country.

9:41Luke Moore: You always want to win a game. I mean, Marescu said to himself, didn't he, that he says, you know, I am concerned. He said, but I'm even concerned when my teams win, you know. So I hear what you're saying, and I understand that the sample size is tiny what we have with Marescu's Man City right now. So therefore, we're going to pick the bones out of it. So I'm not pushing back on what you said. I think they will improve. I don't think there's any doubt about that. But the whole Rodri situation to me is a strange one. Because you look at that side and you think, well, you've got, you know, who's in the middle for Manchester City?

10:12Luke Moore: There's Anderson, Kovacic, and then in front Semenya, Foden and Docky, and of course Haaland in front of that. Well, Kovacic has not played that much. I know he's quite a handy player, Kovacic, but I don't think too many Man City fans would want him starting 35 games or so in the Premier League this season. So you've got Anderson in there. Well, I think, as you say, well, Anderson, when he signs, he probably thinks he's going to be next to Rodri. I know there was talk about Rodri leaving, and some people say, Rodri was always going to go. But there was obviously discussion, hence he's been sold this late on in the window with the season about to start.

10:43Luke Moore: And I think you look around that team, you know, I mean, Marescu himself said, yeah, I mean, he basically said in the post-match interview, we need more signings. He said, you know, if we are going to get some more, we've got to get him quick because the season's going to start. I mean, it's pretty honest from the manager to say those things, especially as he's new in the job. I know Nico Gonzalez comes on. He's a good player, but when you take out a player like Rodri, you know, you're always going to miss him. You look at some of the other midfielders that come on, who is going to play in the base, in the engine room, if you like, of the midfield.

11:13Luke Moore: They've been linked with Ayoub Bouadi, the young Moroccan lad for a little while now. And he looks like the real deal. He's 18. I know he's 18. he's still got a lot of experience, you know, again, you know, in France, and he's played European football and so on. But they're going to have to pay for him, and they're going to have to pay a fair few quid, and they're going to have to do it pretty soon. And the Braddies, as good as he is, he doesn't push you over the top in the Premier League. Well, you can't expect that from him. You can't expect that from him either. So, look, I feel like there's big parallels between, you know, when these amazing kind of, you know, stand out hall of fame type managers leave a big club like you know Ferguson, Klopp, Wenger.

11:56Luke Moore: I feel Wenger does well to get in there if you think about the handover. But Wenger revolutionized the game in this country. I do take the point. And he took a team unbeaten in the Premier League and he was there for a long time. Indeed but I'm saying that. And old Bruce Riocca had a difficult time following him. Yeah okay fair enough. But it's also, I don't want to get off topic but with Wenger it's more, when I say, when I include Wenger in that, it's more the length of time. It's the legacy, right? It's more the fact the club was built around him, the stadium is, you know, the house that Wenger built, really, all the rest of it.

12:26That in itself is as much of an intimidation factor as, you know, all the things that all the other managers want. So, I just think, Mareska, people are kind of putting two and two together and saying, well, A, Mareska was at City a couple of times before as an assistant or whatever. B, he's done really well. He's won the club World Cup at Chelsea and he's managed at top level four. and see he's a really impressive coach. Therefore, Mancet, you're going to be fine.

12:49Luke Moore: There's nothing to suggest that. But what I'm suggesting is, of all the people they could have tried to get in the door, to me, he made the most sense on paper. Which is a different, slightly different argument. But that's probably true. That's probably true. Both what we're saying there can still be true. Indeed, absolutely, yeah. And I don't think anyone would doubt that. But in the game itself, they get the goal, Havert scores again. Arsenal just looked rampant. They looked like they were playing. So you remember last season's community, when Liverpool played Palace. So Palace come back from what was it?

13:18Luke Moore: It was a 2-1 down score and they went on penalties. And it was a little bit of a surprise. I think the way Liverpool started the game, everyone thought, oh my goodness, you know, here we go, Liverpool have spent big on Virts and we're going to see this. It felt like Arsenal were playing a side who, it was a rare FA Cup win for that side. Did you see what I mean? And they were, you know, they're playing a mid-table side and they kind of, ah, this will do. We're not going out of the way, get a bit of confidence up. Whereas, you know, you look at the shirt, it's Man City. I think Arsenal kind of played within themselves.

13:45a bit as well.

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16:09Luke Moore: Christoph Solis got a couple of assists. Yeah, he had a brilliant game. Yeah, I mean, he's been really good in pre-season. He's hit the ground running. He looks like he's physically ready for the Premier League, which is obviously the thing you kind of, you can't ever be sure about when a player's coming from a league like the Belgian League. He is very decisive. He does his doggies, tracks back. He's always available as an option for a pass in the defensive areas. And he was really good in the transition. You couldn't really ask for more from him. I thought he did really, really well. There's a couple of times where maybe he underhit a pass or could have taken a shot, but I know from what I've seen of him that he's not shot shy, so I don't doubt that that's coming.

16:45Luke Moore: And that is a real boon that he looks like he's going to realistically come in as the first choice. And if Martinelli stays, he's going to challenge him to try and win his place. Do you think he's the reason why Vinny Duna didn't fancy it? He thought, I want to be playing, I want to be starting games. I can't compare this guy. Exactly, yeah. But that's an interesting situation because, you know, Zollis may well, based on what we've seen yesterday, and as you said, I haven't seen him play in pre-season, but I've seen that people have been raving about how good he's been in pre-season. It's kind of an interesting situation because they spend quite a large part of August trying to go after Vinny.

17:19And I think you've got to do that if you get the opportunity. I think that's fair enough. But actually, it may well be that Zollis plays. He's like ever-present for us all this season if he can stay fit. And he has a really big impact. I think it's likely. And he has an impact in a way it doesn't upset any apple cart at all. and there's no circus around it. He just quietly gets on with his job and he's one of those players who was in that perfect sweet spot of ready to make the step up into the Premier League and do really well. And based on what we saw yesterday, look, I think, this is a crazy thing to say about Man City, but I can only say what I saw.

17:48I actually don't think he was up against much yesterday. I think he was up against Kusinov who struggled badly. Yeah, Kusinov at right back

17:53Luke Moore: was an interesting choice, I thought. And Diaz and Gradiol, you'd have to think, aren't going to be the starting back too. Gage is probably going to have a big say in that and obviously it depends what shape Mureska plays but he still was excellent he still did what he wanted to do and what he had to do and I would just like to say lest it's forgotten that third goal for Arsenal was an absolute slap in the face for Manchester there are goals and then there are goals and if this is going to be some kind of rivalry which it has been over the last three or four seasons and therefore each game between the teams actually means something I mean, that third goal, it's an embarrassment.

18:34Luke Moore: Well, I got all the way back, Man United, Newcastle United, where Man United beat the 4-0 in what was called the charity shield then. Yes. And again, it was, I don't know what you mean, the rivalry between the two sides, how much, you know, again, the psychological blow, etc., etc. I think for Man City, you know, they'll look at themselves and go, right, we really have to pull our socks up. But it gives Arsenal confidence. I think that's where the value of this is. Absolutely. I mean, I don't know if you've seen that image of Odegaard and Havertz before that goal goes in, where they're both laughing.

19:02Luke Moore: And it's just before Odegaard puts the ball in. The little feint he does to put Donnarumma on his arse is really, really impressive. But I think, actually, Martin Odegaard, along with a lot of players, but Odegaard in particular, deserves his flowers there, because he's had a lot of criticism over the last couple of seasons, and a lot of that has been warranted, because he's not been at the level that he has been previously. He's obviously been very unlucky with some quite weird injuries and has struggled to sort of get fitness consistently. But he was at his best yesterday, and he really ran that midfield.

19:29Luke Moore: He seemed to pop up every time there was a loose ball and just connect a pass. He's fresh from the Norwegian drum. Yes, he is. Part of that period, though, I was absolutely convinced he was carrying an injury and no one was talking about it. He had that weird kind of left foot injury that people were rumoured. It was rumoured, Nick. It seemed to really affect how he played. It hurt to kick the ball. Yeah, and so I think there was probably a bit of that about it. But no, he was excellent. Will the presence of Bruno Gimourez in the midfield free him up a little bit? I think Gimourez is a bit of a quiet game.

19:57Luke Moore: Yeah. Well, he is very much an extra body and a very talented body in that midfield. Well, I think he's going to be a lot more than an extra body. The way those two in particular connected in the first half was very impressive because one of the problems Arsenal have had over the last couple of seasons is in transition they can be quite slow. They sort of get set for a counter and then because they're so obsessed with control, they sort of calm it down a little bit and then it gives the opposition time to set. but with the speed at which Bruno Gimaraes pings passes off and the accuracy of them, and obviously Odegaard's very good in those sort of games as well, the combination of that made them just a lot quicker.

20:36Luke Moore: They just zipped up the pitch a lot, lot faster, and that is exciting. Yeah, very exciting, especially if you think... Hopefully his injury isn't too bad. I think it's fine. He was fine at the end of the game. He seemed to be moving freely. He had a big ice pack on when he came out at the start of the second half. How was Declan Rice after the game? Because he looked like he smacked himself in the head with the community shield. Given some concussion with the trophy. Yeah, he did. Yeah, which was quite... That's when you know you're not used to winning trophies. Yeah, but to be fair, though, as it's a shield, it's got that little bit in the back of the stand.

21:06Luke Moore: I think he can't be blamed for that. That trophy is a proper oversized version of the kind of under-12s, most improved player shield, where you get a little shield on the shield, and then you get to have it for a year. It's got a flap at the back, and you can put it on the old, put it on the windowsill. Yeah, maybe Arsenal will have it for more than a year, Jim. There was a banner in the crowd of Mikel Arteta drinking Manchester City's bottle of tears. It's going to run and run. This is a part of our lives now. Just leave that there. Just leave that as a last season. That's going to be on display at the Emirates every week, isn't it?

21:38Possibly.

21:39Luke Moore: I don't mind that so much. Do you regret making it? I just think the bottle man should be left where he is. Yeah, I agree. You think he's getting some kind of validation from it, isn't he? It didn't look like it when he was sitting He pounds him in the cradle. It just keeps giving him a right to reply, though, doesn't it? I know he's not going to be able to resist taking it. Yeah, I do. Well, I'm sure we'll see more of all of that in the coming season. Will we see more of Jack Grealish in a Man City shirt this season? Well, he came off the bench, didn't he? It was always nice to see Grealish. Yeah, I think that's right.

22:06Luke Moore: I really didn't think we would see him again for Man City. Well, I guess it's probably an element to it, which is new manager, new regime, kind of new start. And so I think everyone... I guess to me, it would feel like a sensible thing to do if you were a new manager, to be like, right, clean slate everyone, let's see how you train, let's see how you get on with your teammates, let's see what you can bring. And if that's the case, then it kind of makes sense because he's obviously cost a lot of money, he's on big wages and he's a talented player. He spent the last half of the last season injured, didn't he?

22:33He did, yeah. So who knows? But do I think that based on what I saw yesterday, Jack Griers can sort it out? No. You know, there's a lot of work to be done. They're either at a really, really early stage in their preseason, they're striving to catch up because so many players have been away for the World Cup or for whatever reason, because they've changed manager and all the rest of it. Or they're in a bit of trouble, you know?

22:57Luke Moore: I don't know. I think, obviously, they've been abroad a couple of times on pre-season, as a lot of clubs have as well, admittedly. The World Cup truncates things, especially because they had a lot of players there, more than most clubs. They're also taking on the ideas of a new manager. I just, I don't think this is representative of the Man City we'll see throughout the season. They might take a little while to get up to speed, but it's not going to be like this, is it? I agree with you. However, if I was a Man City fan, I wouldn't be supremely confident going into the season. Something that may concern you, though, Jim, is the last team to win the Community Shield and then win the Premier League was Man City in 2018-19.

23:31Luke Moore: Does this victory from Arsenal worry you? Is it a dangerous win? Palace won it last season, although they did go on to win a European trophy. Well, there you go. Maybe that does boat one. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I take that. This stat does the rounds very often, doesn't it? But it's one of those ones you just can't read too much into. So in short, no, I don't think we've cursed ourselves. Yeah, exactly. Boffing. So you guys don't think, based on what you saw yesterday, there's anything to worry about with Man City? No, that's not what I'm saying. I just said moments ago, if I was a Man City fan, I wouldn't be going into the season supremely confident.

24:03Luke Moore: I would be a bit worried. But I agree with Jim's point of view that to say, oh, well, they're going to struggle big time based on this, I think they will improve as they go and there are still a few more weeks of the windowless But I know just that's a big part of it as well though, but I would I but I isn't their settled squad is it? Yeah, but they had there is cause for concern There's no doubt about that But there always was going to be even if they had Rodri there which they don't of course because it's been sold But even if you had Rodri again, it's post pet Guardiola at some point in our lives It was gonna happen here.

24:34Luke Moore: We are I think Morescu is probably on paper the best candidate could have got but there of course cause for concern. Yeah, because they're, you know... And there was nothing about that performance that would suggest, oh, okay, there's a little something there. Because their record without Rodri is nowhere near as good anyway. You know, so it's always going to be an issue. I just think it might get quite interesting. Were you surprised, though, it's taken this long? Obviously, you had the distraction of the World Cup and so on. And they did get their, sort of, you know, the fee is said to be around sort of 60 million around there, includes bonuses and so on and so forth.

25:03Luke Moore: It's clearly a price that Man City were more happy with because they'd rejected a few. Well, but... But you're surprised it's taken this long from that. No, they set a fee, didn't they? It just took ages for Barcelona to get to where they wanted them to get to. And obviously before that, it was Real Madrid. But when Jeremy Carragher was on, he said, you know, you'd move heaven, I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but you'd move heaven and earth just to say to Rodri, sort your deal out with Real Madrid or Barcelona, but give us one more year to help with the transition. Clearly they haven't been able to come to that compromise.

25:26And so ultimately when it comes down to that, what can you do? Hold out for as much money as you can get and go from there. It's not as though they're going to struggle to spend money to get someone else in. I don't think they can replace him, and I think they know they can't replace him. So ultimately, it just comes down to getting the best price you can, right?

25:44Luke Moore: Which is a good fee for a player of his age. One year is constantly well. Yeah, one year left on his contract. 65 million, was it? They'll obviously reinvest that straight away. Were you both offended, as some people were online, that he dared to take, was it an easy jet flight back to England? Why is he not in a private jet, Luke? First of all, Marcus. I'm offended he's not taking a private jet. I'm always offended by everything I see online. So the answer to that is yes. Best way to live your life. Exactly. I mean, I would say, without sounding like I'm too out of touch with the common man, I would, I mean, speaking of moving heaven and earth, I do all, I mean, I'm not wealthy, and I do move heaven and earth to not fly easy jets anyway.

26:19So I'm quite surprised that he's done it. I presume it's due to convenience rather than anything else. Yeah, it'll be the only flight going somewhere. Exactly, exactly, yeah.

26:26Luke Moore: Yeah, he's got the World Cup tucked under his arm. Yeah. But, I mean, you're right, Jim, to say the fee is relatively good, but, you know, at the same time, you have to say, if you are going to have that conversation, you have to say, he is the best midfield player in the world. Yeah, of course. So he's ultimately... Pretty unique case, isn't it? Yeah, Man City are in the mode of like, just get as much money as you can because his mind's elsewhere. He wants to go back to Spain. He's made that decision. We can't get him to stay. We might as well take some money because ultimately you get into quite murky waters if you're like, no, you're staying.

26:57You can't bomb squad Rodri. No. Do you know what I mean? That's a crazy thing to decide. That would be bananas. so I suppose you've just got to take your medicine and move on don't worry Phil Foden will sort it big Phil

27:08Luke Moore: yeah big Phil needs a big season well the Premier League starts this weekend of course Arsenal kicking it off on the Friday night instead of Frank Lampard's Coventry and that does mean it's time to get your fantasy teams ready if you haven't done so yet we're once again running our Ramble FPL League we'd love you to get involved to go head to head with your favourite Ramblers and other Ramble listeners use code 50EWTH that's 50 Echo Whiskey Tango Hotel or click the link in the show description to join the league now Would our listeners and viewers be pleased to know that you double checked with us for the Phonetic Alphabet before you did that because you were so excited I remember seeing you have such a good time on this podcast as you did just doing that Come on Mike Sierra, get on with it Yeah, there we go I just felt like a copper for a minute there What we'll do is we'll do some prizes for the winner of that this year.

28:02Are we going to?

28:03Luke Moore: Yeah, we'll do a t-shirt or something. Do a t-shirt or something, eh? Yeah. You'll sign it. Yeah. Unless you win it. We'll get producer Roy to sign it. Get him all there. Are you going to enter? I enter. I always enter. I never get near winning the... There's some really good players on there. You know when you think, I think I've done okay this season. You won't have. And someone's already... No, you won't have. How are they a thousand points ahead of me after the fourth week? I don't understand. Jim refuses to do it. He's too cool. Jim's too big for it. Yeah, definitely. But my team, Tender Loving Kearney, will be in there.

28:29Luke Moore: All right. Coming up after this. My team, the complete dog manual will also be in there. Coming up after this, Ruben Amorim gets revenge over Manchester United. Kind of.

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30:54Well, here's a good one for you. I just learned the other day. Ready? Yes, sir.

30:57Luke Moore: Life is not a waste of time and time is not a waste of life. So let's stop wasting time, get wasted and have the time of our lives. What about the football ramble, everybody? It's Monday. What are we doing that for on a Monday? Yeah. Blimey. I suppose it is school holidays, though. Yeah. Yeah, so get battered on a Monday morning, I guess. Suddenly pitbull, isn't it? Lovely reference. Just suddenly pitbull. Right, the Premier League does begin on Friday, of course. All the teams will be action across the weekend. I will have to wait till Monday evening for Fulham when they play Chelsea. But Manchester United will be in action.

31:25Luke Moore: Of course, they are a Premier League side. They played a friendly against Ruben Amarim's AC Milan. AC Milan won 4-2. Ruben Amarim, eh? It's told them, hasn't it? It has. The back three is mightier than the back four. Let's have a look at what you could have won. Did you see him after? He looked a million dollars after. He looked fantastic. Still walking on air like he was the day he was sacked. He's ready for fashion week. I have to say, he was very reassuringly familiar with one of the two of the journalists. He was like, nice to see you. It was, wasn't it? And he said, oh, they said, oh, we miss you.

31:56Luke Moore: He said, oh, you miss the press conferences. Is it more boring now? And laughed, you know, as if to say, you know, when I was there, there was a lot of, well, not scandal, but pressure and unwanted results and so on and so forth. I thought he looked great. I thought he sounded great. I'm happy for the man. And he said, since I signed with Milan, I haven't felt anything about Manchester United. I'm just proud to have been at Manchester United. I still love Manchester United. But after signing with Milan, I don't feel anything negative about anything because I'm very happy. I'm all over it now. Yeah.

32:25It sounds like he does feel quite a lot about Man United based on what he subsequently said. Do you think? Well, I still love Man United.

32:32Luke Moore: I think he's having a great time. Oh, I'm sure he is. And that obviously helps that they've won the game as well. It's a hell of a job to get, isn't it? After a pretty disastrous reign. Yeah, but I just think Man United are quite close to being one of those clubs like Chelsea or Real Madrid where it doesn't really affect the Man's reputation. Even so, though, AC, my man. It's a European giant. But I think that shows you the landscape in Europe at the moment. Because if you go to a massive Premier League side, which is a little bit of sixes and sevens, considering where they've been in recent decades, Man United, AC Milan will think, you know, this guy was highly coveted when he was at Sporting.

33:05Luke Moore: He did really well. Goes to Manchester United and you think, you know, we'll have a go. It's almost as if, well, it doesn't really matter what happens, as Luke says, that Man United, Chelsea or Spurs, or maybe one or two others. And yeah, he's there. because you know Milan they need to they didn't have a great season they didn't have a great season they need to certainly catch up with their city rivals who we will be talking about in just a bit going back to the Premier League Chelsea played a friendly on Saturday against Real Sociedad Enzo Fernandes was reassuringly booed by Chelsea fans when he came on as a substitute it's rare to see and hear Chelsea fans getting something right but they have but they have so good on them I don't care if it's because there's talk of him going to Man City.

33:49I don't care if it's because of the Argentina thing. I care that it's done.

33:53Luke Moore: Does it not feel that this ends with him celebrating a goal against them in Man City colours, though? That doesn't affect me. Yeah, I'm talking from their point of view. He might do his ear-cuping celebrations if he does score for Chelsea. The man is a shit stain. An absolute shit stain. And I'm delighted he's been booed by his own fans, because quite simply, that's what he deserves. And no more. Yeah. Well, do you think Man City will step up there, try and break open that well the deadline's passed they can't well the Chelsea imposed deadline has passed but I'm sure if they stump up 120 million pounds then Chelsea may well reopen do you think they're putting interest on it maybe every minute past the deadline it goes up quite possibly Jim so they obviously have to sell him for big money because how much money they paid for him yeah and that's kind of how Chelsea are really good at selling players right so you'd think that they if it is going to go that way you'd think they probably will end up getting what they need And Maresca loves Enzo for that.

34:48Of course. And, you know, it's not ridiculous to imagine. For example, who do Man City play first? They play Bournemouth first, don't they? Yes, that's right. Man City have a sticky time of it at home to Bournemouth. Probably won't happen. Marco Rose is Bournemouth. If they do and they don't start the way they want to start over the next couple of weeks, I'm not saying it's panic stations, but they will need to strengthen. And if you look at it in the way that we talked about earlier, who can they get in that actually properly strengthens them? You know, Fernandes for all of his faults and we haven't got time for that is a top level central midfield player at the very, very sharp end of the Premier League and beyond.

35:28So it seems like a likely candidate they would go for. Would Elliot Anderson want that?

35:32Luke Moore: Well, that's it, isn't it? Yeah, he's not some, you don't play him at the base of midfield. You wouldn't play him where Rodri is. Yeah, so that would be an interesting one. I would think if they did sign Fernandes, they'd probably still try and bring in Buardi as well or someone for that role who's a bit more of a specialist. I think so, yeah. Yeah, depending on the field, 120 million. Well, this is it, isn't it? Huge money. But good news for Chelsea. He's worth two Rodries. He is. Because that's how it works. That is exactly how it works. And how many Alan Shearers? Good news for Chelsea was that Morgan Rodgers scored on his first appearance for Chelsea.

36:02I think Chelsea will be good this season. Yeah, I do as well. Yeah, and I think Rodgers looks good. I've seen a little bit of Rodgers in pre-season. He looks pretty good. The main reason I think they'll be great and we do more on our prediction show tomorrow but I think Alonso is the one he's the man I just think he I'm very convinced by him

36:19Luke Moore: a bit like what I said about Manchester United and well now Chelsea and so on it doesn't matter what happens there Real Madrid are in that sort of same bracket you might argue as well well clearly Chelsea thought that as well but I think it's slightly different when you compare it to Real Madrid because Real Madrid and Barcelona and I'll hear an argument about the modern iteration of Atletico but basically Barcelona and Real Madrid are so far ahead of all the other teams in Spain that it's not a big party to be a part of, right? Whereas in Premier League it's a lot more competitive. Yeah. That's why Alvaro Albalo has turned up in the Premier League as well.

36:49Luke Moore: More on that tomorrow and not in a good way. A little bit more competitive. Oh, I see. Yeah. You will see. Don't worry about that. You will see. Let battle commence. Try to intimidate me with that. You see that? Oh, I see. Yeah. Is that your lard of Messi? Yeah. Yeah, that's a very Fulham-ish front cover. I was going to say, trying to intimidate you with the spectre of Fulham. Yeah. Oh, I see. That's fair enough. Yeah.

37:12Both a pair of shit stains.

37:13Luke Moore: Fine. Yeah. But they're a bigger one. Because they're a bigger club. They are. But the number one king shit stain is Enzo Fernandes. Yeah. Absolutely. He's more stained than man. Yeah, he is. At this stage, certainly. The Football League returned this weekend. Didn't it, Luke Moore? It did. Don't I know it? Same old story. Yeah. Do you not like putting on an old jumper these days? Do you know what I said to you the other day? An old shit stain jumper. Yeah, exactly. Pull up my own shit stain pants again. Portsmouth lost. At home? Oh, yeah. At home, yeah. Of course, yeah. Home against QPR You know why they lost at home?

37:44Because they lost away last week Right

37:46Luke Moore: Right I was in the cup was it? Yeah So they went to West Ham Started alright Played okay You can understand that You can understand that West Ham Here's one for you Here we go I was getting the training to talk sport And I was following it on my phone Portsmouth 1-0 up I went through a tunnel Lost reception for a couple of minutes Came up the other side 2-1 down Half time Lost 3-1 Basically almost exactly the same thing happened on Saturday where they started okay. Terry Devon scored a great goal for Portsmouth, a great player. Very popular down there. And then they just completely shit the bed, conceded three goals to QPR.

38:22Elias Chair, who, by the way, speaking of shit stains, Elias Chair, he just tore Pompey to pieces. Should have had a hat trick. And yeah, they got beat again, so there we go.

38:30Luke Moore: One thing you will enjoy is, I meant to mention this to you, but prior to the season, just looking at the championship table, and the Google one had 23 teams in joint first and then Southampton in 24th on minus four points which they remain on because they got beaten as well they did and the was it Watford they lost to I think so because the Hornet Harry the Hornet who I assume is the mascot yeah in the words of Roy Hodgson he was doing the old binoculars at the Southampton fan get it going of course he was get it going you can't beat that guy I do like the Watford mascot situation because obviously Harry the Hornet is the mascot as Roy correctly surmised and Watford has got a big terrifying statue of a hornet outside the Harlequin Centre, the shopping centre there.

39:15Luke Moore: But on the badge there's a moose's head. Yeah, makes no sense. Confusing. No, no, none of it makes any sense. But yeah, I mean, across the Football League on the weekend there were 99 goals and 7 red cards. Come on! There was one goal that shouldn't have been a goal, by the way. Oh yeah. What Norwich and West Brom are you talking about? Absolutely ridiculous. What I love about this, right, so the first West Brom goal was very controversial, as Hegeboeb seemed to punch the ball into the back of the net. He seemed to, he did. He punched the ball in the back of the net. He seemed to if you looked at it.

39:50Luke Moore: What I love...

39:54Luke Moore: Yeah. Well, you know, I've got to be careful. I don't want him to sue me. No, right. Okay. What I loved about this was after all the bollocks at the World Cup, it's like, right, come on, a league finally without VAR, that happens, you go, oh, blimey, we can do a bit, where's VAR? It's almost like, the energy is like, the energy is like, well, that's what happens if you don't have VAR. No, the referee should be able to see that. The assistant's looking right down the line. I just love it. VAR or NOVAR? The Norwich players are literally, what is happening? Meet the new boss. Yeah, same as the old boss.

40:24It was, it was, I mean, It was absolutely ridiculous. It was ridiculous.

40:28Luke Moore: That was superb. Absolutely. I honestly, it's so funny. That's how it all started. Massive game like that, Norwich West Brom. Yeah. Come on. What about West Ham? We've got our game back. We've got our game back. Oh, absolutely, Jim. What about West Ham? Down in the Championship, of course. They chucked away a two-goal lead at Burnley to draw two all. Zian Fleming got a brace, a late-ish brace for Burnley. Mano Solomon scored for West Ham. I think that's a good signing. Yeah, I do too. It's a really good signing. he I think will do really well for them he did well for Leeds when he was down there I still remember him not that long ago playing for Fulham actually he looked a really tidy player at Fulham yeah there's a there's a there's a player there they've also officially confirmed the signing of Arna Engels for a championship from Celtic yeah for a championship record for around 22 million pounds that's an enormous fee for the championship it is but I mean you got to look at the money they got him for Matias Fernandes no sure but I just West Ham are not messing around and nor should they be messing around although they did juggernaut do goalie and they also on the on the quiet, certainly from, you know, on my radar anyway, have brought in Joel Veltman from Brighton.

41:29Luke Moore: Yeah. He's 34, but that's a really, really good signing. They've had a better window than some Premier League teams, despite losing some key players. Oh, maybe. But they cannot be pissing around this season. No, absolutely not. I mean, speaking as a supporter of a team who've already played them this season, although it was in the cup game, but it's only at this level. Some of the players they've got for that level is ridiculous. Yeah. They might lose a few. I think Wan-Bissaka and maybe one or two others might be on the move, but still. I'm going to turn my head and ask producer George, who's a West Ham fan, are you excited?

42:01Luke Moore: Despite that draw, are you excited about this new season? Are you going to finish first? We are. Yeah, he just simply replied, BUSH! BUSH! Through mouthfuls of jelly deals and pie and mash. Yeah, they got themselves a pint. Yeah, don't worry about George though. They don't attack their own, do they? They don't. The East End criminals, they don't attack their own. They look after their own. Don't worry about that. Well, they do indeed. Speaking of signings, let's talk about Englishmen going to Inter. Jed Spence has signed for them for 30 million euros. He'll be joining John Stones, of course. John Stones has got his first goal for Inter in a pre-season.

42:38I feel like you should be doing the term Euros in an Italian accent because they've gone to Italy. So can you do it again?

42:43Luke Moore: No, I think Euros. I think it's because it works with the Dutch. It works with it. Euros. Yeah, that's better. but I think it's got to be commensurate of where they've actually gone no one speaks like that they've gone to Europe they've remained in Europe fine can I have a George seems really angry at the concept of remaining in Europe that's not what George said carry on I would like to have a middle aged rant about something I've seen happening this summer online, on your information superhighway. People... Is it TikTok? On social... I don't understand TikTok. I get angry about it. There's several social media accounts who keep referring to things like...

43:33And John Stone's a great example because John Stone scored in the first friendly he played for Inter. John Stone scores on his debut for Inter. No, he doesn't. That's not acceptable. That's not a debut. It won't appear in his official record. No one's going to remember it. It's not an official game. stop saying.

43:48Luke Moore: And if he never played for Inter again, on my biddy aunt... He wouldn't be count. He would not count. He wouldn't, yeah. And you wouldn't put it past him, given his injury records. Come on. Yeah. But I like that him and Jed Spence have signed. I think that Spence to Inter move is a good move for all parties, I think. I think he'd be really good there. He's not going to start for Spurs. Exactly. That's the thing. You have a World Cup winner, Pedro Porro, right back. Yeah. And then left back, obviously, they've got Andy Robinson and they've got a few options there. They've got Sousa as well. Yeah.

44:13Luke Moore: A doggy. I know he's... injuries and... People are a bit kind of up in arms about the fee or the lack of fee. It is quite low, isn't it? I think it kind of makes sense. I suppose one of the key things with looking at players moving from the Premier League to other leagues is that they can't pay as high transfer fees, right? So if he went to a team in the Premier League, it would probably be a bigger fee, but he's got a fact of that. He's not going to play for Spurs under De Zerbe. And actually, if you extrapolate out his time there, he's never once been first choice in his position. He's forced his way into a lot of games, though.

44:45Because they've had so many injuries.

44:46Luke Moore: Indeed. Can I just make the final point, which is a question for you guys. If he hadn't had an eye-catching World Cup, which I think is actually a little bit overrated in retrospect, the way he played. He had a good World Cup. He did have a good World Cup. I think he had a brilliant World Cup. He had a good World Cup. Would you be surprised at him going for the fee that he's gone? No, I wouldn't be. And so, yeah, you're right. So it is about the World Cup because it was only a couple of years ago where he nearly went to Genoa for, what was it, about eight or nine million or something? It was very low.

45:16Luke Moore: He was on loan there, wasn't he? He did go on loan. Oh, they didn't pay the fee. That's right. They didn't stump up at the end of it. So it shows you how he has, you know, how his profile has increased and how he's wanted. Because Inter, lest we forget, are massive. They're Italian champions. They'll be favourites for the league again. They will be an outside bet, as they often are for the Champions League. It's a big move for him. You know, we are dangerously, you know, Premier League centric at times. and if it's not Barcelona, Real Madrid, PSG or Bayern, we kind of forget about Italy. I think it's a great move for Spence.

45:49Luke Moore: I think that, you know, Inter looking to strengthen and that does strengthen them. So I think it's lovely and I think it's Jon Snow. There was even talk, although it was very, very tentative, that Inter was sniffing around Curtis Jones as well. There's not much going on in being reported on that. So I don't know, but it's clearly Liverpool open to selling Curtis Jones. And if you're a Spurs fan, you should be encouraged because they're selling players. They're selling players early. They're not haggling over stupid amounts of money, leaving it far too late in the window and not being able to replace.

46:20They seem to be... I think you have to caveat it because it's Spurs and they'll inevitably find a way to mess it up. But they've had a really good summer. They've strengthened really well. They've sold really well. I think it's good stuff.

46:31Luke Moore: It's not only that they're selling players when they should do, when they're at their highest value. It's also that they're paying bigger wages as well. That's something that's held them back in the past in terms of the profile of player they've been able to bring in. And that should make a difference to them too. It should make a difference. It should make a difference, Jim. One man who's not going anywhere, of course, in this transfer window is Cristiano Ronaldo. He is very happy, holed up in Saudi. And he has announced it's probably his last... In his compound. Kind of true though, isn't it?

46:59Luke Moore: It feels true. It feels true. And if the feeling is there, Jim, we will run with it. Eh, George? Yeah. George hasn't got a mic. This is unfair. This is really unfair. He's a lovely lad. yeah Ronaldo's announced it's probably probably his last year of football that's a big word that isn't it probably it's a big word have you seen the did you see the Ange Postercogli video what was he topless in that Ange Postercogli because you know Ange's his mate do you want a computer game yeah yeah yes computer game he said computer game do you know have you you know Ange's his manager now yeah of course yeah yeah there's a brilliant video doing around a little clip of them coming back I guess I don't know what stage the season is you can do another year mate I don't watch Saudi so I don't know what stage of the season right.

47:42It's some kind of training facility and they're standing around and Cristiano Ronaldo's just got married. Yes. So he's just, and so I guess he's had a few days off or whatever and he comes back and all the players are standing around and Cristiano Ronaldo's there and Posta Coglia, the most amazing star, just goes, and should we all just welcome back Chris? Congratulations, mate.

48:01Luke Moore: And it just carries on. And is that where, that's where Ronaldo just looks and went, this is probably my last year done. To be fair to Ronaldo, he does look quite pleased. He's smiling and stuff, but it's just the way he goes, Chris, what a mate. I love though that he's taken that off. He's not treating him any different. No, well, Ronaldo said, I have my future all mapped out. I have so many things to keep me busy that to tell you just one thing is hard. Because football could leave a big hole. You have to fill your time in various ways, not just one. And also have more fun, travel more, watch and play paddle, which I really like and continue to enjoy what I've earned.

48:33Luke Moore: I love that paddle gets the mention. Yeah, it's everywhere, isn't it? I felt an odd sense of relief hearing him say that last bit about wanting to actually enjoy his life. Because he looks like someone who is so focused that he doesn't kind of stop to smell the roses. And I think he could be some sort of terrifying supervillain if the whole football leaves is too big. But I wonder if this might put him in some sort of Zen state where he scores like 50 goals this season and he's actually amazing. It might be the postacogluo effect as well. Well, it might be, but I think with Ronaldo, I would absolutely love that, Jim, that he does.

49:06Luke Moore: He just, his football career finishes, it is enormous pressure valve has released, and he becomes really relaxed, and he's like, you know what, I had a good career, and he doesn't try and keep proving himself, because I have a degree of sympathy. Are you out of your mind? Clearly, I am. This is what I'm hoping, mate. This is what I'm hoping. Maybe Ange Postacoglu, his season with Postacoglu brings him back down to earth, with some good sort of the earth Aussie input. But I would love that because I have a degree of sympathy with Ronaldo. I know that he is an egotistical maniac, okay? And I know that he brings a lot of this on himself.

49:43Luke Moore: However, the spotlight on his life has been unimaginable to even the vast majority of other footballers, top flight footballers. Not anyone in the world. Yeah, right. Since the beginning of his career. And again, he's coveted that. He's wanted that. But that doesn't mean to say I can't have a degree of sympathy with how it's gone and the scrutiny and so on and so forth, which he has been complicit in. And I would just love it if after the playing career has finished, which indeed is in a year's time or not, after he's collected another Nations League trophy or whatever, and he just goes, you know, that was great.

50:16Luke Moore: And suddenly we see a whole different side of Ronaldo. I would absolutely love that. Although he will be thinking in the back of his mind, Portugal is a host of nation for the World Cup. One more, yeah. Can I go on for four more years? Four more years? I don't know. We shall see. I wouldn't put it past the great man, Jim. No, no. I wouldn't do it. Is he a great man? Great footballer. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah, I do need to edit that. That's fine. You're right. Worthy interjection. I will give way to the right honourable. Very much. In fact, I think that's really helped me and saved me there.

50:50Luke Moore: There you go. Thanks for listening to the Football Rebel, part of the ACAST Creator Network. We'll be back tomorrow with our Premier League predictions. So get involved there. Until then, thank you, Luke Moore. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jim Campbell. Thank you. And well done, Arsenal.

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