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3:43Hello, everybody. It's Friday and what a scorching day in the kingdom. Yet another heatwave, Jim Campbell. Number five, I think now. At least. Is this the last one? Who knows? Probably not. Yeah. Somebody knows. I'm not an expert. Yeah. At what point does a succession of heatwaves just become a heat ocean? Yeah. Maybe we're in it. Good point. It's more of a heat sea here. Sea, yeah. Yeah, sea's obviously smaller than oceans, traditionally. But it has been a hot summer. There's no doubt about that. Well, things are gonna hot up in Wales on Sunday afternoon because it's the Community Shield, Arsenal vs Manchester, and of course It's gonna be staged at Cardiff's Principality Stadium for the first time since 2006.

4:24Staged? You're saying this is a false flag? Do you think they fake the Community Shield every year? Yeah, maybe. Have you ever been to one? I haven't. See? I have a few times, but then I was the one who suggested it being staged. Yeah. You've got to be careful with me. But yeah, Wembley is being used for a concert by The Weeknd. Read what it says in the running order. Wembley is being used for The Weeknd concert. Thank you.

4:54That's on The Weeknd, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. Yeah. It is a bit, yeah. I mean... And the winner is The Weeknd. The Community Shield is obviously a proud tradition. Yes. But have you heard Blinded by the Light? It's a banger. Yeah. Is that the name of that song, sorry? I think so. Yeah. We all know which one you mean. Yeah. Should the weekend really be strong-arming the Premier League's curtain raiser with this sort of behaviour? I think the FA should be able to handle the weekend. Do you know what I mean? If they're really serious about getting rid of Infantino, they should be able to handle the weekend.

5:32That's a great point. This empowers Infantino, doesn't it? It does. I know New Zealand are doing their bit but this is poor behaviour also is this a bit of like organisational slackness from the FA where you know sometimes you know when you have a regular five-a-side game and you book in blocks and you often forget when the block expires do you think they had a deal to use Wembley for the Community Shield until you know 2026 and they thought oh fucking hell it expires May 26 yeah and then they realise and then the weekend are there he's there no and the weekend are probably going to be there for the next seven years as well.

6:06So, I mean, yeah, that's on the FA. Or maybe they forgot the community shield. They would have been busy with this Infantino stuff. True enough. Well, Jim, all nonsense aside, it is another chance for Arsenal to pick up some silverware. It feels early for this. It feels like a surprise exam at school. For both teams, I think. Yeah. Well, that's the community shield all over. I mean, it will be Enzo Maresca's first competitive game as Manchester City manager. Is it generous to call it a competitive game? Of course it is, technically speaking. How do you feel about this? It's the least competitive of the competitive games in terms of what it means.

6:41I think it's fair in club football, in domestic club football. Yeah, okay. Thank you for clarifying. Thank you. You're welcome. But both teams will want to win it, obviously. You know, once they get out there, these are always fairly fiercely contested, aren't they? I don't think teams sort of, you know, take their foot off. Fairly fiercely contested. I think so. Because once the teams get to Wembley slash Cardiff, they want it. Yeah, I'm just thinking the idea of fairly fiercely is what I'm looking at here. Fair enough. I think they're reasonably competitive. Which is basically the same thing, isn't it?

7:11But I think it's less confusing. Less alliteration is what it is. It is. I have been to communities. I've seen Arsenal beat Chelsea in one, for example. I've seen it. and I know the competitiveness that you're talking about the vague competitiveness this is this is one of those games where if a team wins it if Maresca and Man City win it it'll be all sign of things to come gives them a confidence booster blah de blah de blah if Arsenal win it it's ah there you go it will be spun in whichever way yeah it's only a trophy if you win it isn't it and I sort of like that about it yes it's a very it's a weird quirky thing and it's one of these things where we look at how many games there are in football now You go, do we need this?

7:55Well, it's like, no, no, let's have it. Yeah, I know, I'm for it, broadly. I like it as that bridge between friendlies, which Pete the pervert loves, and I suppose the real stuff. You know, the actual league action. You have to have something to transition from one to the other. Sure, but then, with the first round of the League Cup, starting as early as it did, I was like, oh, this satiates me in that way. Because those were competitive games that were played. Do you feel that was disrespectful to the Community Shield? A little bit. But if you don't believe in the Community Shield, then you play whenever you want, don't you?

8:29Obviously, the weekend don't either. Yeah, do you think Blackburn Rovers and Wolves are disrespecting the Community Shield kicking off tonight? I think they're disrespecting it the most because they know it's happening this weekend and they've tried to get in there early with a Friday night kickoff. Or are they getting their work done so they can relax and enjoy it on the Sunday? No, I think they're doing it to shove it in the faces of the community. Big football. That is a shame. Arsenal won the Community Shield against Manchester City in 2023 via a penalty shootout. 4-1, thrashed them on penalties in a very memorable game.

8:56And they've never forgotten it. No, they haven't. Of course, last season, it was Crystal Palace's time with their victory. Mark Gay and Eberetjez making sure that they got that one more shot at glory in Palace shirts. And so they did it. I think, you know, clearly the focus is going to be on particular individuals in this setup. Bruno Gimenez being the obvious one for Arsenal. he would stay play certainly certainly feature I would think he might not start although I wouldn't be surprised if he did start he came off the bench the other night against Como 1907 and got a very good reception got fouled immediately committed a foul that was enjoyable straight away so there you go okay yeah you're still you great and that's normally against Arsenal so there must have been relief to see him there will Declan Rice be running up and down I hope not based on his Instagram he's on holiday I wouldn't be surprised if he runs back.

9:53He just can't bear to not take part in some way. Do you think Arteta's basically told him, I don't know, the Community Shield's happening in September this year. That's the only way you go. Have you not seen this in Fantino stuff? You know the league's only starting in November. You are suspended either way. All right? You've got a club imposed ban on you. Put some gear on him, get the ban. Easy. More on that later. Not Declan Rice, though. We hasten to add.

10:19But obviously Manchester City, how they're going to set up against Enzo Moreski. You can see people trying to sniff out how they're going to approach things tactically in some of their friendly games that they've had. And, you know, the comparisons with Pep Guardia will just never stop. But really, I don't know how many managers Man City will have to go through until that stops, for obvious reasons. Because still with Manchester United, there's still... I mean, Vish, is there still comparisons with Sir Alex Ferguson? People will still be... I think Carrick's probably... Because of Ruben Amarim's fine work, that put a stop to it all, and then Michael Carrick's come along and he seems to have the cleanest of slates of all the Man United managers.

11:00Yeah, this is the first time that I feel like it's properly dissipated, and a lot of that, as you say, is because Ruben Amarim essentially flushed it out. Yes. The Amarim era is now significant in its own strange way. And a bit more gratitude, I think, has deserved his way. Exactly. In a way, he administered a colonoscopy to the club. But with Guardiola Man City, obviously they haven't even kicked a competitive ball yet, but... But it's a little bit different here. And take Arsenal's strength as red, but READ. But with Man City, they're always going to have a very good squad. I think obviously at the end of Sir Alex Ferguson's time, that was a squad that was waiting to fall apart and only really held together by him and robbing Van Persie's goals.

11:47And so as soon as he left, as soon as you lose that magic, it falls apart and people have had to deal with being compared to him and also having to rebuild a squad that never really broke up until maybe five, six years down the line. In the case of Man City, they're always going to have good players. They're always going to spend money. Maresco's a good coach. So even if it's not necessarily him, Man City will still maintain that level. And the comparisons with Guardiola will just be folded into the legacy of Man City, if that makes sense, rather than just being attributed to, or the excess attributed to just one man.

12:20Yeah, I mean, again, on paper and on vibes, he is the, as perfect as a candidate could be following Guardiola. Yeah. I mean, he really fancies it. And he's worked there before. Which is, knows the club, Jim. Knows the club, et cetera, et cetera. And they know him. Yes. Which is often a side of that cliche that we don't appreciate. Sure. Does he go back to the same email address he had? Hopefully. I really hope so. Which will, by the way, which will be enzo.maresca at mancity.com. If anybody fancies suggesting any tactics to him. But yeah, I mean, their squad is, I think, a lot better than they're being given credit for.

12:57People who obviously understandably talking about a period of transition and how it might be a little while before they find their feet again. But this is very different to the situation with Ferguson, isn't it? As you said, that squad was sort of, you know, he did incredibly well to get everything he got out of them. Mark Gay and Antoine Semenya are only six months into their Man City careers. Now, they do have to do a bit of transfer market surgery, don't they? The situation with Rodri is interesting either way. But they'll replace him, won't they? Elliot Anderson is a really good signing. They're looking at, you know, it might be Ayo Boade, it might be Enzo Fernandes.

13:30They're going to have a very good... Well, absolutely, yeah, they've got the deadline on that. Chelsea have created their own transfer window with Enzo Fernandes. Why not? why not branch out yeah yeah so I think they are a really interesting prospect and I think they're going to be a serious title challenger despite you know the situation we often see with the legacy manager being a hard act to follow I think this is a bit different they're very good at succession aren't they generally yeah I mean obviously I mentioned Manchester United somewhat cheekily earlier this is more you're the much more recent comparison if indeed we need a comparison which perhaps we don't but Jürgen Klopp to Arna Slott now I know Arna Slott is out of a job But still, lest we forget that obviously a bald man came in and won them the title.

14:14Yes. Could be the case with Manchester City. I mean, I look at this, and looking at the league title, a lot of people talking about favorites for the league and who do we fancy and so on. I said before on the pod that this is a real chance for Arsenal to look to dominate the Premier League in the next season or two. And when you say dominate, if you win back-to-back league titles, that's sort of a mini domination. I still haven't done that since the 1930s well there you go, bearing in mind four Premier League titles in a row is the record under Manchester City of course, but Arsenal are there because obviously they're the champions for crying out loud, but the stability they have compared to all the other big sides really, but Manchester City as you say, because of the squad they have lest we forget, they've got an incredibly good one and with Maresca an experienced Premier League operator, he's not been in the Prem that long, but I mean again but he's also done it at a big club with Chelsea as well so it's not like say Andoni Iriola who I think will do well at Liverpool but that step up to kind of go into side playing with Champions League football trying to win titles it is a big step and he may well do that but again right here right now who am I thinking could challenge Arsenal for the Premier League like it does seem Manchester City to me Vish your thoughts on yeah 100 % I'd agree with everything he said on Maresca and his Chelsea experience, I suppose, Chelsea was so unusual.

15:40There were so many things to, I suppose, to work through before he even got on the pitch. And that's simply like things as ludicrous as remembering everyone's names. Yeah. Having enough space in the dressing room. Yeah. So the fact that he was able to do that and do it with distinction, particularly given that he took over from Mauricio Pochettino who actually did a decent job and then came into that club and you know there was a period early in that stage with Chelsea where it felt like every two weeks he was contradicting something that he said but evidently because the situation changed behind the scenes and he just adapted to it and rolled with the punches and I think he deserves a lot of credit for that because it's not an easy thing to do as a manager of a high profile club anyway particularly with owners who A don't quite know what they're doing and B love sticking their nose in.

16:29Yeah. I wonder with the challenges that Man City want to address with the Champions League and stuff like that and with him needing to start immediately how he rides those early waves in a way. But if he gets it right he'll get them hard working. I wonder what he'll do to tweak the style of football. I don't think there'll be that much, but it'd be quite nice to see, for example, Phil Foden come in and play a role, but also be interesting to see what kind of role he plays. You have to remember that Guardiola did change it up a bit. He did, yeah, but he changed it within... He changed it because he was there for so long, it required evolution all the time.

17:10Sure, indeed, yeah. I mean, like last season, without being too sort of beardy about it, one of the surprising things was the way he used his wingers. Guardiola was always about high and wide wingers and sort of brought them in and be a bit more narrow and compact. And he said that was out of more than necessity. I think from, again, just seeing the little bits and pieces in preseason friendlies, I think Mareska will go back to that, trying to play with width. I mean, Mareska... Semenyo has said that that's how they've been playing. Yeah, well, there you go. And you would with Semenyo, right? You know, your idea is to try and, you know, the classic thing, you try and isolate the fullback because Semenyo's so good.

17:48He also basically, Semenya basically played as a second striker last season, didn't he? Yeah. Backend for Man City. Yeah, but I mean... I suppose he can still do that. Yeah, but last season, it felt, especially with hindsight, it really did feel like it was Guardiola's last season. And he was just thinking, right, which levers do I need to pull to keep us in this title race? How can we end with Silverware? Obviously, they won two trophies. They ran Arsenal close. But it did feel, with the signing of Donnarumma, for example, you know, that was really like slightly unlike... That was a bit like the Robin Van Persie sign, wasn't it?

18:23I'll get myself a little treat. Exactly, it was. Do you know what he's done with that though? He's made it an easier squad to pick up. Because if you just rebuilt another Guardiola squad, no other manager, regardless of how good they are, is going to be able to come in and they'll basically have to do a Guardiola impression with that team. but actually as you said there you've just got a damn good goalkeeper you've got in terms of like people that come in the last year damn good goalkeeper you've got one of the best wingers in the country you know one of the best in Europe in Semenyo it's a lovely and obviously with Haaland best centre forward just signed Elliot Anderson yeah you know I don't think they are going to keep Brodery but you know there were a lot of great pieces there to play any kind of football you want I think any manager in world football if they inherited that squad would be very happy with it you know that again is to massively hit home the point here.

19:17But I mean, his playing style, as we've often said, was heavily criticized at Chelsea. And it was a bit boring, a bit sort of, you know, tepid. He will have to, and this is where I think it will be fascinating. Will he hit the ground running with Man City? You know, will he play a more high octane, kind of more front-footed style? Because again, with this squad, you know, he had a good squad at Chelsea, but it wasn't this. Yeah, it wasn't, but it wasn't shit, was it? No, no, it wasn't. It didn't demand that you play quite conservative football. So I'm intrigued to see. Yes. I think, you know, we're talking about the same thing here.

19:50And also with Man City fans, they've been so used to something, again, with some tactical tweaks and so on and so forth. But ultimately, they're used to a side who have been one of the best teams in the country in Europe, easily under Guardiola. How does Maresca do that? Because again, at Chelsea, you know, fans, a lot of fans at Chelsea weren't that unhappy to see him go. Obviously, what came after that, they may be like, okay. But again, he wasn't loved by those fans. The style of football wasn't particularly riveting. It was funny, wasn't it? Because it went through periods of looking really, really good and then would just get a bit stodgy and bland and kind of really conservative.

20:27Like they were trying to sort of grind out games when they were probably equipped to win them a bit more comfortably. And maybe Marescu, he'll have his reason to say, well, there was a limited squad here, there and so on and so forth. A lot of it ran through Cole Palmer, didn't it? Yeah, it did. And I think with what Mureska wants to do at Man City, he'll know what he wants to do here. And I think it will be different. But again, the Chelsea fans, to their credit, actually, because of some of the best managers they've had, I mean, Mourinho being the obvious ones, particularly in the second time Mourinho took that, they actually are quite patient with the manager.

21:00You know, it's kind of like much more of a results-based business. With Manchester City, they've been used to such a wonderful playing style and side and so on over the years. So again, will it require patience? Almost certainly. Or will he hit the ground running? And we shall find out a teensy tiny bit, or maybe not at all, who knows, whatever the community shield is worth. We shall see it in action. But one man who looks like he won't be involved at all is Tajani Rinders, who looks set to move to Al-Qadzia in Saudi for 52 million pounds. That's handy, isn't it? It is handy. What a waste. It does feel that way, doesn't it?

21:36It's a shame. Because you know he's basically out of reach for anyone. really, if he's going to Saudi from Man City. I thought to myself, am I going to kind of, you know, basically do Saudi Pro League bashing? And I think, yeah, I am in that, you know, when you say it's a waste, because I look at Reinders, you know, remember how he started last season? It was very good, but then he tailed off. He wasn't really playing. It was basically this time, around this time last year, that, Jim, you and I were at Arsenal, where Reinders basically ran through the middle and set up Haaland's goal. Yes, and we were both surprised by how physically imposing he was and how strong he looked.

22:08and he started the season really well, didn't he? And it looked like another really smart, canny signing from them. And, yeah, I mean, maybe it's almost like they got a little bit bored of it. Yeah, yeah. I suppose never really made that place his own. Maybe Maresca just doesn't fancy him and have communicated that. He's probably got a... Well, Guardiola didn't fancy him. He didn't play that much at all. I just... He's 28. He's just been playing at the World Cup. 28, okay, that's surprising. In the 24-25 season, just off the back of that season, Manchester City signed him. He was Serie A midfielder of the year, playing for AC Milan.

22:46I know money talks. I know he's going to be set up for life and his children and his children's children. I understand all that. From the naive, silly, football purist fan in me, I do look at that and go, ah, come on. It's his life. I know all that. It's naive to the point of we don't know what it's like to be confronted with that opportunity, that much money and so on. I wish I was tempted. Somebody tempt me. Yeah, I'd love to be tempted. I'd love attempting. Come on. But the thing about it is just like... Or Saudi's version of GB news. Just the news.

23:27But it's just the thing of like, we like watching football. Obviously we like talking about it and we enjoy doing that, but like you go back to the start of it, it's just like watching and playing it. Yeah. And you want to watch players like Rinders. Yeah. And it's just like having watched him, having had the experience of watching him and enjoying it, and then being like, yeah, we can watch him in the Saturday Pro League, sure. Yeah. But it's just, just stay. But I... Go on loan. What are you playing at? Sell your ground and get him on loan. But you just know that the football, the art that he does, it's almost certainly not going to satisfy him in Saudi.

24:07Have you seen the film The Menu? Yes. I think top level players that go to Saudi would have been invited to that restaurant in the menu. Yeah, almost certainly. Do you know what I mean? If you've not seen the film, I kind of don't want to ruin it for you. But that's basically... But that's basically what we're talking about here when we lament players going to Saudi Arabia and stuff like that. It is beyond our comprehension and there is a level of... I don't really know how to put it beyond... like we can sneer at it, but that's just their world. It's also getting less sort of controversial, isn't it?

24:44I think it's been around for a long time now. You don't look at that and go, oh, blimey, did Johnny Riders have gone to Saudi? It just feels like a destination that players are going to more and more. And it was the same with China, by the way, you know, when that was happening. It's just... But do you remember how he lamented Oscar? Yeah. Like when he went. And he basically played the rest of his career, didn't he? Yeah. Yakubu. Less so. Yeah. I mean, we had a lot of Yakubu in English football. Yeah, we did. I'm not saying it's too much. I love Yakubu. Even he came back. Yeah. That's all I'd say.

25:16Drogba went and he was like, oh, I've got way more in the tank less than this. but yeah as I say I appreciate people might listen to that little chat there and go shut up you naive maybe even arrogant knobheads yeah a lot of people who do tell us to shut up like that are just boot lickers because they don't know they don't fucking know what it's like if we're ignorant they're just as ignorant so yeah I will lick a boot for money though I want to make that clear now yesterday we spoke about a drugs bust on a Sao Paulo team coach where over 80 kilograms of marijuana was seized. Well, there's been another football-related drug bust in Ecuador.

25:54370 packages of cocaine, totaling 469 kilograms, were hidden in the false bottom of a truck. Each packet had an image of Erling Haaland on them. That's so unfair on Haaland, isn't it? If you've seen it, but it's bright green. It almost looks like it's pretending to be like a big batch of stickers. Panini stickers, that's exactly what I thought. But it's not pretending hard enough. No, exactly. It really does look like Erling Haaland branded cocaine. The face of it is like Haaland's almost like looking and winking at you, going, hey, you don't want to open this. Friday night, what do you think?

26:31What would you think, Jim, if somebody used your face to try and hide cocaine again? I would be absolutely baffled. I think it's a lot more likely for someone to want to do that with Erling Haaland. If it was me, I wouldn't know where to start. I mean, I think there is a baffling element to this. Absolutely. But you, I think the bafflement would be taken to... They've simply used a famous person, haven't they? If it was me, I'd be like, this does not look good for me in ways I'm not sure I can predict. Harland can't be happy with this. What if it was a good photo? Do I want to be the face of cocaine?

27:00Still probably not. Yeah, with your redemption arc, you wouldn't want to... I mean, who would you have chosen? Oh, there are loads of players. We can't name them, but there are loads of players. We simply cannot associate any of them. Can we roll in that hand grenade towards Vich and I? We're all in it together. With a pin in your mouth. It's mostly chucking a knife between us. You're like, I'll answer this question. Enjoying your career, are you? You can sue them individually. You don't have to sue the football ramble. I like the false bottom trucks. It feels like they've just figured those out, doesn't it?

27:35Sounds like a rejected Flowrider lyric. It does a little bit. It does. also Harlan cocaine just because of how clean he is is just weapons grade creatine isn't it presumably the marijuana thing I've been thinking about because it is legal in some states in America could a footballer do an endorsement do you think yeah 100 % I think what their issue would be if they're famous enough to do it it would be whether other brands would still want to associate with them with that but there are quite a few players in sports

28:11who are very very open about not just their weed smoking but also where they get it from and stuff. And I think some people do have like individual sponsorships or certainly plug stuff on social media. I mean if you were to choose a football team, who would you go for? I would go for a manager. I'd go for Gange Postacoglian. There we go. Yes. There we are. Can we break for five minutes while we can do more? What about Francesco Potty? Nice. Yeah. Although it sounds like it means something else. True, yeah. Yeah, I sort of went too quickly on that, didn't I? There we are. All right, everybody. Bistin Noel Williams.

28:54There we go. Lovely. Yeah. Dior Dublin with his dube. Okay, let's go for a quick break.

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31:38Revels. I've got so many packets of Revels in my garage at home. I've got boxes and boxes and boxes of family Revels. I've maybe got 400 bags of family Revels at home through people sending them to me. so oh listen I was going to say Maltese I always like Maltese but Orange has always been my favourite to be honest so yeah I just like the you don't really know what you've got coming well back to the football ramble everybody that is Tony Mowbray when he was asked to blind rank chocolate yes how fucking lovely is Tony Mowbray he's brilliant I know right yeah he the whole clip is like a minute and a half long and he does like the first four pretty quickly and he's thinking how is this going on so long Well, there you go.

32:21He's asked about Revels. He's a connoisseur. Boxes and boxes of them at home. He then goes on to say that he loves a boost. He loves a star... What's it? Star bar. Star bar. Was that... Yeah, yeah. Lauren's nodding. She loves a star bar. Tony Mowbray is a big fan. And yeah, honestly, the way he just talks about chocolate, I'm looking at him going, this is quite magnificent. As you say, a connoisseur. He's a very, very well-rounded chocolate pundit. Yeah, I'd say so. I couldn't think of too many good ones On the Weed footballers So I've got Grass Jan Huntler And Peter Reefer Nice Harrison Weed Yeah that's fine I had to do something Or did I Let's talk about some transfer updates everybody We mentioned obviously Manchester City Leif Davis That's five you've got as well That is good, isn't it?

33:19Manchester City have rejected Barcelona's latest bid for Rodri, reportedly£55 million. They have quite simply stated he's£60 million. Would you just give us the extra five, please? Just shuffle along to the next lever. The one that's got another£5 million on it. It really is a fruit machine at this point, isn't it? Have you seen all the stuff with Ferran Torres, speaking of Barcelona's levers? On his American lap of honour? No, so he's looking like he's going to go to PSG. that Barcelona are trying to negotiate with PSG that it will be 50 million euros rather than 55 because if he goes for 55 million euros, Barcelona have to give some of the fee to Ferran Torres and if he signed a contract extension, they would also have to pay Man City some money.

34:00Something like 7 or 8 million euros. It's a lever that they've previously pulled but they're now having to negotiate around. I do love the transfers, all these little bits and pieces because again, you just kind of play fantasy football and you might go, he moves there, give that money. They do a bank transfer that day for the exact amount. With a big bag of money. There you go. Spend it on sweets. It's incredible how... And maybe it speaks to the way transfers have to be done in such a specific time that they end up getting rushed. That they just agree to all those clauses and never think about them again until shit like this happens.

34:36Well, I mean, that's the danger of doing your business really late on, isn't it? You have to make loads and loads of concessions. I suppose it's why so much business happens late, because people aren't blinking. Yeah. Fabio Canabisvaro. Okay. That's another one. Yeah, there are currently mixed reports on Manchester City's approach for Enzo Fernandes, though. As I say, they've got to get a leg on him, haven't they? They've got this Chelsea-imposed 5pm deadline today. I can't get enough of that. Like, no one's done this before. We'll decide when the window's shutting on this particular player. Yeah, this player has a particular window, yeah.

35:10Also, it's very kind of like Friday energy. No one's going to be in the office after five. Just let us know and we'll get back to you on Monday. But what Man City could do is five minutes before five, 115 million. Just test them. I'm sure they will do that. See, you're still talking about the office. I look forward to this. This is going to happen this afternoon, I'm telling you. And there are some reports of a 120 million euros bid being submitted, which of course is 19 million euros less than Chelsea value him. People do forget which currency it is. I know the pound and the euro, they are quite very similar at the moment.

35:44But there is that. When you get into the millions, it does make a little bit of a difference. Yes, it does. Yeah, the difference one-to-one, much higher up there. How much is a sandwich? About the same. Yeah, exactly. How is it? There is a little bit of disparity there. Can I play it on my Monzo? Yeah. So, yeah, we do look forward to how that plays out. How are you feeling about Chelsea, Vish, under Xabi Alonso? I was football last night chatting to some of my Chelsea supporting friends. And it does seem like it's a tough one to call. Some are thinking they'll be in among the title contenders.

36:21And others are going, what are you talking about? Absolute madness. Yeah, I mean, I've stopped trying to make sense of Chelsea for quite a while. I know, I can see the seriousness in your eyes. It's not great podcasting, but I'm very much operating on a wait and see basis with them. Because I just don't know. How fit is Cole Palmer? in terms of like how much of the season can he play? They've got Morgan Rodgers now. Yeah, who knows about Rhys James? Rodgers is also a very interesting one because it's like, where does he play? How many cues can we take from what Jabby Alonso did a buyer? Leverkusen, just obviously take Real Madrid as red.

36:54But yeah, I really don't know. Presumably, they will just be more sensible on the field. But that, like, again, I don't really know. If they get, if they lose Enzo Fernandes. They've got Jordan Henderson. If they lose Enzo Fernandes, there is the talismanic player that they're losing, who's been so responsible for so many things they've done well over the last two, well, I suppose since he signed after the 22 World Cup. He's not universally popular there, though. No, yeah, and then also, that was in quite a dysfunctional Chelsea side, so like, does it matter now? Well, so, obviously, you know, there was much chat about Jude Bellingham at months ahead of the World Cup.

37:36Some saying he's quite a tricky character, you know, rubs people up the wrong way. And then some people say, Jordan Henderson, get him in there. Try and just smooth things over and so on and so forth. Is that what Chelsea are doing to try and keep Enzo Fernandes at the club? That's why they've got Jordan Henderson here. Jordan, I know you've done this with Bellingham at international level. This is going to test you. Are you up for a new challenge? From what I worked out during the World Cup as well, and particularly leading into that semifinal, is there's nothing Argentinians love more than being talking down to by a British man in middle age.

38:07Yeah. I think he would respond well to that. Yeah, I think he would. Is he back in full training, Henderson, after that horrendous injury? He can't be, can he? Good question, yeah. It was a quite serious one, wasn't it? Oh, yeah. I completely forgot about that. A bloke approaching his 40s has a fall and breaks his arm. And Chelsea will get him. Well, he's there for vibes, isn't he? He might be there for full vibes. And extra vibes with Danny Welbeck. They've literally only bought those two so they could buy the rest of the team beer. It's the only reason they've got it. It's really pushed the average age out.

38:40Can you give me a Los Mary? Yeah, sure, tell Danny. I absolutely love how the ownership of that club has just been scorned by the fans, and rightly so. Signing Morgan Rodgers, like, okay. Jabby Alonso, okay. And, yeah, you need experience. We'll give you experience, all right. Henderson and Welbeck. You wanted this. You wanted this. But they've also brought in Maxence Lacroix, right? Yeah, it's a good sign. Which is a good signing and an experienced signing and a signing who isn't a young player. They're looking to flip. So I have a suspicion that I think Chelsea will do quite well this year because they're clearly giving Alonso what he wants to some degree.

39:15There's obviously, there's always the other kind of, you know, kind of self-contained Chelsea market stuff that managers have to put up with as well. There's something like 54 players in the squad recently. I'm sure they've moved some on and brought some in since that number but it's a really really high number yeah it's like so solid crew isn't it but I think you know I think all it's all it's going to take for Chelsea to be contending again is for them to just be a bit more serious and to listen to their managers and give them more of what they want and I think some of those signings suggest that Alonso is getting that so yeah I mean they've still I think they're still they're a little bit confusing in defence They've got so many defenders, it's hard to know what their best lineup is.

40:00And I'm sure Alonso will figure that out himself and settle on it fairly soon. They probably need another striker, don't they? There's talk that Nicholas Jackson will come back and fight for his place. Based on how Liam De Lappe's season went, he'll certainly come back in to the second spot in the pecking order there, you would think. Yeah, well, yeah, you're right. Jackson has returned to Chelsea following that season, not alone at Bayern. He's been linked to a move to Aston Villa, although there are reports, as you say, that he could stay and fight for his position. Liam De Lappe, Chelsea reportedly set a£50 million-plus asking price for him.

40:35And they'll get it somehow. What did they sign him for,£30 million? Was it something like that? After the season he's had, they think that he's added£20 million to his value. Now, I don't blame De Lappe necessarily. I don't think it was particularly great, but obviously injuries and so on and so forth. £50 million-pound asking price is a bit of a piss-taste. Yeah, it's ludicrous. They're looking to recoup what they spent on him. He's 23. Would you be worried that... They said what Manti Knight had played for Andre Santos and thought, well, same again. Yeah, fair enough. Would you be worried, though, with Jackson being linked to a move to Aston Villa, are Chelsea going to try and get Maggio in through the door?

41:11Because at some point he's going to go there and... He'd be mad to leave Villa. Of course he would, of course. Everybody's not going to let it happen, but you know what I mean? That would be a very Chelsea thing to do. Yeah, we'll take him off your ass. I mean, it will be interesting to see where De Lapp goes, especially if Jackson stays and, you know, with Welbeck just arriving. I mean, that really, really pushes him down the pecking order. Well, it does. I always felt with De Lapp, obviously, you know, decent season with Ipswich when they were up. But, again, you've got to remember that Ipswich were relegated.

41:37And so, obviously, what he could do is a bit limited. But he showed, you know, what a prospect he is. And he still is. Ten goals. Yeah, he still is as well. As I say, an injury-ravaged season, a bit of a madhouse at Chelsea. You know, you shouldn't judge him on that. but I always felt that again that move to Chelsea I thought because Man United were in for a minute I just I remember thinking again from my completely removed from everything to do with Liam De Lapp's life and how it works position okay I thought to me he's the type of striker that would benefit from a stepping stone before going to the big club which is why I thought and perhaps they did try but you know my beloved Fulham or a club like that should try and get him you know maybe a couple of seasons something like that get your feet firmly under the Premier League desk Get some goals in there.

42:20Go play with David Moyes. Down. Wow, Everton do need a striker. Everton linked with the Forest as well. Linked. Exactly that type of club. I think it would be great. He will get to those clubs now. Yeah. The problem is, will they be able to afford his wages? Yeah, exactly. To afford that transfer. Indeed, and it's a bit skew-iff at the moment. It could well be a season long loan, something like that. Yeah, almost certainly. But there's still a player in Liam DeLapp, we know that. Of course. I think everyone around this table would love someone to take a chance at him and give him games. Absolutely.

42:51Absolutely, yeah. Could it be Manchester United? Because Michael Carrick was talking about their transfer dealings and so on, and he was saying that, obviously, the business they've done, he's been very happy with. Some might say they paid a little too much for Andre Santos, but a decent player. Yuri Tielomans, I think, is a good get. One or two others as well. Very Ferguson sign in that, isn't it? Tielomans. Yeah. Yeah, I know what you mean. But some are saying still potentially a little bit light up top. Now, Cesco's obviously got that season under his belt now. Again, you would think he would develop.

43:25But for a side in the Champions League, looking to cement that for next season as well, trying to think, right, let's continually start to look up at the moment. Still a little bit of a gamble on a player that's very, very raw. It would be the same with De Laat, by the way. I'm not saying you get him in and that's the job done. but Carrick was also talking about money-wise saying we can't spend too much that's a big thing I think they've spent less than quite a lot of the clubs in the Premier League this season including maybe even one or two promoted sides as well Yeah, it's the first time I've ever seen a summer transfer headline about Manchester United and thought, thank God in a long time where it was simply Carrick saying we're not going to spend£100 million on a player because often actually United would work that way and be like, we need a£100 million signing.

44:15Oh, the money they've spent in recent seasons. We need a£78 million signing, yeah. I mean, the meaning of that phrase is so different now, isn't it? Like, a£100 million player used to be like a guaranteed match. Do you know, I'll tell you what they would have done, Jim. Two or three seasons ago, if you were to pick up, you know, the current window on all its doings and take it back a few years, they would have offered Chelsea£150 million for Enzo Fernandes. That's exactly what they would have done. and Enzo Fernandes would have gone there thinking that's a lot of money it's a big club I really want to go to Real Madrid okay and he would have had an okay season and then he would have sold it for about 80 million the next season to Real Madrid that's what it would have done that's what they would have done a few seasons ago yeah maybe I think the yeah I think De Lapp and Cesco would be too much two raw two raw strikers essentially I think it's not unreasonable to expect Cesco to have a bit of a breakout season though I think I think so he shows some real real talent with finishing that goalie scored against West Ham in particular was a brilliant finish and we do have to remember and I'm reminding myself more than anyone here that quite a significant chunk of his time at Manchester United was under Ruben Amorim and so that needs to kind of exercise those demons again Bruno Fernandes got the assist record in the Premier League season and a lot of that was under Ruben Amorim poor old Ruben

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47:30But one player who is very much a Manchester United player is Marcus Rashford. And Carrick, again this week, has been repeatedly asked about Marcus Rashford. And Carrick keeps stating he's our player. Rashford's not going anywhere, is he? Doesn't look that way. It really doesn't. Unless, of course, they've got an outrageous bid. But I honestly thought there's no way he'll ever play for Manchester United again. And now I'm a bit like, my goodness, he's going to play. I mean, his wages have always made it a possibility, right? That they wouldn't be able to move him on. Yeah, but I always thought they would be some sort of, yeah, possibly.

48:06I mean, I suppose at Barcelona, he was a bit part player. Did pretty well, though. Yeah, yeah. When I say bit part, it's not a criticism, you know, obviously because, you know, who they got on the wings are pretty tasty. But Rashford is not, he, he's, I wouldn't say he was an elite level player. I think he's a very good player. But to kind of say, right, actually, we're going to start him ahead of Rafinha or Jumal. Sure. You know, you're talking about the best. Yeah, he's there for depth. Yeah, exactly. I don't think Real Madrid are going to sign him, for example, or maybe Bayern or whatever. Again, he would be a squad player in those sides.

48:41Whereas in this current Manchester United side, I don't think he would start every game, but he would play his part as well. So therefore, I don't think, in terms of what you're saying about wages, I don't know if anyone's going to take a huge gamble on him, if you see what I mean. That was one of the sticking points with Aston Villa, when people thought, oh, it seems a pretty good fit. And everyone's like, the wage demands are absolutely enormous. Yes, he may well be, you might be able to get him for, say, 25 million. But, you know, if he's wanting 300 grand a week or whatever it is. He was apparently willing to take a pay cut in Spain to finalise that move.

49:12But they spent a lot of money on Anthony Gordon. Well, quite. But, I mean, if he's willing to do it there, he might be willing to do it elsewhere. There's always an assumption with Rashford, isn't there? That he's not willing to compromise. But I don't think there's anything that comes from him himself. that necessarily makes that fair. Yeah, I do largely agree with that. I think a lot of it as well, like when you talk about a player in those terms, you're really talking about everyone around him as well. Yeah. And like his team, essentially, that become him by proxy. But, Rafa is the kind of player that he doesn't need to start every game.

49:42He'll start certain games. I think I mentioned this about a month ago back, but like, I would love him back. I would love it to work again. All the evidence says it won't. All the evidence? Carrick is a piece of the evidence. No, no, no. All the previous, you know, all Rashford's experiences in recent times with Manchester United suggest it won't work. Right. And suggest that nothing really has changed. But the crucial thing that has changed is Carrick and the manager willing to give him a bit of time, maybe put an arm around his shoulder, maybe make sure he doesn't feel as isolated. Coming back to a happier squad, maybe.

50:18I appreciate, like, you know, I'm talking exclusively about my own feelings towards Rashford when I say that I'd love him to stay and stuff like that. Obviously, loads of Manchester United fans have lost patience with him and to see this is probably a step backwards. But in lieu of other options, when you've got someone like that coming back into your squad and there's clearly a willingness to play, because there's no reason Carrick would have said that if Rashford was training poorly, which he has done in the past, or people in his team have said that he doesn't want to stick around, doesn't rate the project, which they have done in the past.

50:51There's obviously something there that's changed. I'm happy for that. And that's something that, yeah, you're right. Because some of the things Carrick has been saying in Carrick's relaxed and sort of quite congenial manner, he sounds quite protective of Rashford. And I think that does bode well in terms of Rashford being reintegrated into the squad. Because, again, Carrick is saying, well, he offers something different. He's good to have around the group. We like having around the group. It's all very positive. And as you say, Vish, if there was a strong hint that he's thinking, nah, I'm just waiting around for a move and I will take anything, you know, then I don't think he would be saying stuff like that.

51:31It doesn't sound like he's saying things in the media to convince Rashford to stay. I think he's almost saying stuff to convince the media that he is going to stay and he's actually part of this now and that he is going to reintegrate or he already has. and all this kind of chat of, oh, is he a bit of a, you know, character you don't really want around the camp or is he going to be a bit disruptive? Character seems to be trying to put all that to bed. Yeah, I mean, there's a sideshow that's going to come around it that, again, won't be necessarily anything to do with Marcus Rashford or Man United.

51:58It's just the nature of the club, isn't it? It just generates headline off the headline off the headline. But the fans as well. You can't ignore the fans. Absolutely, of course. That'll be a part of it. But in terms of, like, if you're looking at it purely from a squad perspective, I mean he's not a bad option to have is he? I mean would it be the case based on the squad as it is at the moment that if they were to move Rashford on to someone that they would bring in another player in his place or is he just is he sort of considered out the door and an asset that they could just make some money off of do you think?

52:28I think it would be both I'd like to think they'd bring someone in definitely because they almost when we led on from the De Lapp chat about United's options up front that's definitely you know an area of concern if Rashford does go. And even actually if he stays, I feel like there is a willingness to reinforce that front line. So it's not a great market for the left wing? No, it's not. Well, I think we spoke about this before. It's a strange, you know, there seems to be a dearth of gettable right wingers, or left wingers at the moment. Right foot, left wingers. So, yeah, it'd be interesting to see how this plays out.

53:08They would have to, you know, presumably, it should be already sorted by now. And I think that's why Carrick is saying this. I mean, Rashford could make his Man United comeback tomorrow in a friendly against Ruben Amarim's AC Milan. Come on! Is it right that Amarim's Milan have basically lost every pre-season friendly? Oh no. What formation is he playing? It's not going to be an Eric Ten Hag situation at Bayer Leverkusen, is it? I doubt it. Poor old Ramarim. I mean, yeah. Look, I really hope and think that actually Rashford, for those who are annoyed with him, Manchester United fans, and I get why, I think Rashford could come back and turn it all around at Manchester United.

53:57I think he really could. I think the time he had at Villa, but particularly at Barcelona, he will have improved as a player from those experiences. He will have felt very refreshed and so on. And yes, he wanted to stay at Barcelona, I think that's understandable. I think that can be forgiven. You've just played for the team who have won La Liga. You know, wonderful lifestyle, great city, blah, blah, blah, blah. However, I also think, and again, this is purely, I'm purely guessing here, Rashford does love Manchester United. He came through there. It's an enormous club, as we know. I don't think Rashford is the type of player to go, ah, go on then, I'll go and play in the Turkish Super League.

54:32I don't think we can, I don't think we know that for sure. Yeah, but that's my, hence I'm guessing. Sorry, yeah. So again, unless it is something particularly good, like Barcelona, and you're playing for the champions in Spain, I think, no, okay, Manchester United is there. He understands and gets it. I don't think he's this kind of journeyman for the sake of it. I think obviously, whatever reasons, he wanted to go and he went on loan. But I'm hoping for his sake that he's had those experiences, whatever, you know, and people at the club maybe, you know, didn't rate him, hammer him or whoever it was, are now gone.

55:06it's a clean slate for him he kind of comes back and it just clicks and we see the vintage yeah because the upside is really high right if it does click as you say I mean he went through that purple patch at Villa didn't he where he was really really good for a period and it lasted for a good while too there's a great player there we all know that so if Carrick can get that out of him more often that is a huge boon yeah he's also as I alluded to before coming back to a happier squad he's still quite close with quite a few players in there. I know Instagram is a crude measure of, I suppose, relationships, but you see under most posts, it's basically half the squad wishing him well on every post he does, and it's very sweet to see, and I hope it actually plays out.

55:50Indeed, indeed. Gentlemen, the championship kicks off tonight, as previously mentioned. Wolves host Blackburn. Big game. Big game to get the champ underway at 8pm tonight, and of course we may well see, I'm sure we will, Kieran Trippier involved at Wolverhampton Wanderers. Interesting scenario Trippier found himself in. He's obviously signed for Wolves. He said that Rob Edwards had convinced him to sign. He was looking forward to teaming up with him. And then when he was on holiday, Rob Edwards leaves the club. There were lots of reports saying that Trippier was furious and he was considering terminating his contract.

56:25Trippier has denied those reports though. Very sad though, isn't it, for Rob Edwards? It is sad. Also sad for Trippier. Yes. hell of a thing to have to deny before you've played a game yeah so he had an interview with the Guardian he was denying this as well but he also was talking about looking forward to playing in the championship and he said that he was saying to some of his teammates who haven't played in the championship before he was like lads this is relentless this league by the way this is going to be tough so make sure and when you see like a battle hardened warrior like Trippi in the twilight of his career with that look in his eye going lads this isn't going to be easy you know you've got to pull your socks up Have you seen the Odyssey?

57:03It's longer than that. It's louder than that. It's more dangerous than that, you might argue. So yeah, a good game to get the Championship back underway this evening. Oh dear, yeah. Of course, we've got full fixture list in the Championship. We've got the Community Shield. One thing we won't have this weekend is a home game for Celta Vigo. Yeah, because La Liga's starting early, isn't it? La Liga's starting very early. unnervingly early. So, you know, presumably all teams in La Liga are playing this weekend, Jim, aren't they? Funnily enough, Vish, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid also just have the weekend off.

57:41Three teams at random. Yeah. That's so odd. How about that, eh? Yeah, none of them are playing. So as a result, Real Sociedad will be playing Chelsea in a friendly, Real Betters will be playing Inter in a friendly as well. Just a couple of ones there. That's a lovely old job, Sociedad having a spare game and calling up their old mate Javi Alonso. Don't fancy a kickabout, do you? We've got a pitch booked and everything. Yeah. Well, I mean, inadvertently they've benefited from it. Obviously La Liga didn't design this so that Real Sociedad and Real Benz... It's not meant for you, but you better be playing someone.

58:16Tie those legs out. But Celta Vigo won't be playing their opening game of the season at home because it's been postponed because of a fungal disease affecting the pitch. That's unnerving, isn't it? It is unnerving. Anything to do with fungus is slightly unnerving to me. It is. I did think that. I mean, obviously, the weather in Europe has been rather extreme at the moment, so maybe that's a contributing factor. I'm not a groundsman, Jim, as you can tell. Or maybe there's just a load of shrooms. Maybe it could be that. There's been a lot of drugs in football lately, so maybe the shrooms are having their time.

58:56Has it been that good a summer that a football pitcher's managed to get thrush?

59:03It's just too much. Yeah, you're right. It just says fungal disease. It might not be anything to do with mushrooms. But if a footballer was to take magic mushrooms, who do you think is right? Well, there we are. Right, everybody. This afternoon at 4pm, we've got a My Biddy Aunt special. it's Jim Campbell versus James Alcott James being our final guest on our summer series which came out yesterday it was lovely to have the fresh faced beautiful man on the show he's battling it out with Jim in a what can only be described as a grudge match on my pitty art that's out at 4pm this afternoon listen to that before Man City get their cheeky little bid in for Enzo for now it's just not or 5pm I do recommend that so there we are but until then thank you very much for listening to the Football Ramble part of the ACARS Creator Network Jim and I will be back on Monday with Luke to talk about Arsenal having won or lost another cup final could be silverware all round early on but who knows we have to wait and see thank you very much for doing the hand of Roger Jeff Shrooms thank you very much Jim Campbell couldn't think of one thank you very much Andy Grassl Would you take Ian Mush?

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