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4:24Kill for the hour Kill for the whole hour Ease, Ease, Ease, Ease, Ease, Ease, Ease, Ease, Ease, Ease. What? Pete. It's demented.

4:35They can't stop getting it done. Yes. They cannot stop getting it done. They keep getting it done. Lukey Moor. Yes. Oh, should we just pile straight into it? Norway 1, England 2? Let's pile straight into it. What else is there to do? Let's pile straight into it for crying out loud. Let's do it. Sunday morning, we're at, you know what I mean? Is anyone awake? Apart from us? I hope so. we're a bit far gone and that's fine I just found out before we went live that Royk's up from Norway so I'm just downvoting everything they've ever put on Spotify we just had to tell Vish to stop googling Norse monarchs he's going to make a torturous point on the show a little bit later on send them back send them back to where they tried to conquer for once that's what I say but what a result I mean work it do it makes us harder better faster stronger it's not Royk's up they're French it's Daft Punk yeah he's fucked it again and Kanye and yeah true yeah where's David Guetta from where is David Guetta from did he actually cure racism surely he's Swedish he's Swedish right England they got it done no you said it right you had it absolutely right at the top of this you said they got it done again and that's exactly what happened they are one win away from their first World Cup final since 1966 I know I'm aware of the concept of how a quarterfinal works yeah if you win it you go for the semifinal I get it I get it I know you're worried about me but I get it it was it was a I actually agree with Thomas Tuchel it was a technically quite poor game but England just found a way I kind of understood what they were doing the first 20 minutes right keep the ball conditions are horrific they're going to get knackered they're much more likely to wilt quicker than we are if they can't get the ball but again in transition when we lose the ball we're not quite as reliable to say the least.

6:27But ultimately, they just find a way. They do just find a way. And I have to say that the Norwegian goal was very fortunate. It was very kind of, how has that even happened? I think you made the point on the website it was a Ronaldinho in the World Cup. It felt like the ghost of Ronaldinho come back as a Viking. Do you know the funny thing about that as well is because I don't really have any fault with Pickford, but he clearly got his own. Same to be fair. He clearly got in his own head about thinking it was going past the pose. So then he got his hand to absolutely everything that was going wide for about an hour period.

7:01Which he's got in his locker anyway. And I was like, someone have a word with him. And I realised the only person who could have a word with him were the three people who were usually on his shoulders. He's like, just talk amongst yourself and sort it out. You've got a game to win it. But a couple of mates of mine messaged me in the WhatsApp at the time, completely agreeing, saying, I think Pitfall's having one here. And he's got fear in the worst. and to be fair to him he has been super reliable for Ingram I mean he's firmly stabbed himself over the years but he has been a little shaky at the start of this time hasn't he I think the last match he was very good he's just high action he just always wants to be involved he's not the kind of goalkeeper that okay when you need to call on him you can call on him and then you won't hear from the fucker no he's involved the whole point he's Daniel Day-Lewis in fucking Gangs of New York he wants to be in every scene I've abandoned my post I've abandoned my goal but like a lot of like you know great sides Italy and France They've got these keepers that are quite, as they get older, they just get a bit more calmer.

7:55But I just don't see that with Jordan. It's not his style, mate. It's not his style. I think he always, he usually gets it out of his system because I feel like for the first time in a while in an English shot, we saw like October Everton. Sure, sure. There's usually like a really early season bout of like, hope he gets it out of his system. There's a really early bout with Pickford all the time of, yeah, I'll play for Everton. We're not grabbing that many highlights on headlines on match of the day. I might just give myself. Let's impose myself. the words of Roy Keane just smash someone to make me feel better you know get myself get Everton up the running order a match today but ultimately it didn't matter I thought Gary Neville was particularly harsh on him for the goal it was a freak goal the guy didn't mean it she held her up and it's not we're not being bitter about that because obviously he ultimately went through I don't want to take anything away from him because it was obviously a great moment for him I'd be very surprised if he meant it I don't think Pickford can be blamed too much because it's whipped in a really weird shape.

8:51It's come right off the far post. It's a proper freak goal. Yeah. And it came from nowhere, right? So Pickford's not only got a... I think it's quite a lot to ask of a goalkeeper, any goalkeeper to react to that, but also be able to, in the moment, judge whether it's going wide or not. And every goalkeeper interview says this ball, it moves like an absolute fucker as well. By which you mean Joe Hart. Yeah, Joe Hart is very anti... They should have got Joe Hart in straight at that point. He's got the Juve. I told you. I told you. Absolutely whips, doesn't he? Yeah. I mean, I guess the game was all about two goalkeeping mistakes, you'd say.

9:20Nyland spilled Morgan Rodgers' shot at the end. Yeah, he did. That made a big difference. Reminiscent of Spain's winner, Marina's winner. Yes, it was. The day before, yeah. I wonder as well, because of like, you know, we joke about the Joe Hart thing, but evidently the ball is moving differently and I don't think, I can't remember, sorry, I can't remember the Spanish midfielder who took the shot from Marina's goal, but that's not really a Spain thing to do to shoot from there. Yeah. I think England also just thought, why don't we just have a shot and see what the ball does and Bellingham brilliantly followed up.

9:49I thought that, Vish. I thought, so, I mean, we could jump ahead of ourselves to fast forward too much, but I thought Ingram really lost their way in the second half. They were so... Well, see, since, well, after the first tricks break. Yes, it was. That's when it started. And when Eze comes on, my instinct was like, okay, he's brought Eze on instead of Rodgers because he's probably going to tell Eze to shoot and shoot a lot and just to see what happens. We've seen what happened with Spain. We've seen what's happened with the ball. We're not shooting that much. at this point. And Eze's one of the very best in that scenario.

10:22Obviously, the first thing he does is take a free kick and it's diabolical. But speaking of which, there's also a feeling, I think, that in that first opening stanza, so if you take it into the hydration break, because Vish made the point and it's absolutely spot on. But going into that first hydration break, England were the better team. They controlled the ball. They executed what looked like a game plan. And then too often, it fell down on moments of individual quality like the final pull, the final pass, a touch, whatever. I don't want to single him out for any kind of reason other than the fact that unfortunately he's the most guilty of it.

10:56But non-imadueke, you've got a situation where he doesn't see a simple pass. He then is looking all the way down the line occupying a good position but strays offside for no reason. And then he handballs one when he's controlling it. And it's like that is a momentum killer three times in a row for England in a key position. And he's clearly picked Madiweke because he thinks Wolfer is going to leave a lot of space behind. We prefer Saka in those tight spaces, but we're going to pick Madiweke for that reason. And when Thomas Tuchel's your coach, you can't get away with so many high-profile mistakes in key areas.

11:33He's just going to be unforgiving. I mean, look what's happened to Rashford. Rashford comes off, what, when England are 1-0 down against Congo? Arguably partly to blame for it. Not been seen since. Literally has not been seen since. The ruthlessness of the coach is a key difference about this England squad. And the final point I want to make before I throw it back to you guys is quite a bombastic one, but I think it's justified. I think we're now seeing... I think this is, in terms of Jude Bellingham, this is the greatest individual performer in international tournaments for England I've ever seen.

12:03Yeah, is it up there with Gascoigne in tournaments and stuff? It's better than Gascoigne in 90, and it's better than Rooney in 2004, because it's longer and because he's being more impactful. He's dragging us through again. What he is currently doing is arguably making him the best player at this tournament and it's hard for us to, as English fans, to kind of put that out there because you've got Mbappe doing this thing and Elisa and Messi and all the usual characters. But Bellingham is part of that conversation now. What he's contributing to this England team in key moments... A frequently ailing English team as well.

12:39It's just remarkable. That first goal, Vish, I mean, it's just like, right, give me the ball and I will show great feet. I'll go either way and I'll have the finish as well. And they cannot deal with it. No one in the world can deal with that. He's the first player to score two or more goals in consecutive knockout games at the same World Cup since Diego Maradona in 1986. That's a mad thing to comprehend. Two goals in consecutive knockout games. I mean, for that first goal, it was a great pass from Gordon. And it's a pass Gordon only makes because Bellingham's on the other end of it. so three touches with his right finishes it with his left I think the great thing about Belliam is as you say Pete he's doing this with an ailing England team you can see the drop off with England in front of your eyes partly because we watch all the games but it's the tiredness, it's the fatigue there was a point midway through the second half where I was like I don't think Harry Kane can walk off to be substituted we might just have to leave him on there I mean was it all just about how exhausting the Azteca was or was it just the conditions were absolutely stafeling I think it was obviously it was the conditions it's the same for both teams I also think it's because of how England seeded the ball I think it was also the fact that Rice came in and he was ill and like to go to Luke's point earlier about Thomas Ducal being so brazen in his approach to being England manager I think the balls on him even if Teclar Rice is you know spewed out his guts or who knows if it was going both ways but what do you think?

14:07probably both ways Yeah, okay, fair enough. He's got a good left foot. I can go either way. But in that moment at halftime, be like, no, you're off. You're just coming off. I'm not doing this. Get me some Diarra away. Bringing on Rhys James in midfield, which didn't quite work, and then being like, well, there's an easy fix here. I'll just take off the right back, bring on a midfielder. Well, bring on Dan Byrne. James goes to the right back and has a better game. The belly himself, though, I think I said a while ago on the Ramble about how he's not a comfort blanket of a player in terms of masking England's issues, but he's a cape for the whole team.

14:43And this is just him putting the cape on himself and being like, actually, yeah, now I need to be Superman. Yeah. And it's such a cool thing to watch because, as you said, Luke, like, rare to see watching an England player doing that because I feel like so much about it being an England fan is investing in these people so much and then feeling sorry for them when they don't come to fruition, whether that's on a World Cup or Euro cycle or even in their careers. You know, we end up having conversations about like, but was Rooney really that good? Was Lampard and Gerrard really that good? Were they really that good?

15:13And with Bellingham, we can like say in real time that we appreciate him and that he is that good. Yeah, I mean... It's such a relief. The big sort of talking point after the match, because there always has to be a talking point about Jude Bellingham because of, you know, in certain sectors of the press, you might say. Jude Bellingham was interviewed after Thomas Tuchel in the post-match. Thomas Tuchel had said post-match so he wasn't happy with the performance in every sense. He said that England were lucky, which I think is a fair enough thing to say. Entirely correct. And then in response to Tuchel's comments that were given to him by a journalist.

15:46It was Gabriel Clarke. Gabriel Clarke. And we'll come on to him. So it was. Yeah, Gabriel Clarke said... 20 million probably watched it. Bellingham said... He's the poet laureate, Gabriel Clarke. Bellingham said, maybe he doesn't know what it's like to play in these conditions against Haaland, Odegaardius and Solov. You can't win every game. Solov's lucky to get mentioned there. You can't win every game. The contribution before was absolutely diabolical, by the way. He said, so, Bellingham said, sometimes you have to win that today. Yeah. I think, so you were a bit, not put out. Well, do you want a take?

16:15Yeah, you ask for a take. If you want a take, just ask for a take. Load the take blunderbuss and fire it into my ears, please. I've done it for it on myself. All right. And turn the take blunderbuss on himself. You're turning the take on himself. Yeah. Allow me to commit some kind of crime upon myself with the take blunderbuss. Right. I've got loads to say about this what happened was Gabriel Clarke interviewed Thomas Tuchel after the game and he asked him about the team's mentality Thomas Tuchel took issue with that exception with that which I think he's well within his rights to do given how the game transpired and you have to understand so what did he take issue with the fact that he said is it a mentality problem that England struggle yeah or something like that mentality got them through they weren't playing good football I don't have a direct quote I don't want to misquote but it was a question about mentality because Thomas Tuchel took issue with and Thomas Tuchel then says, you know, you can't say that back mentality.

17:06It's a mentality that got us here, whatever. And then rather than, my view, look, you have to understand, this is not a hit piece on Gabriel Clarke. It's a difficult job. He's in the biggest moment of his professional life, probably as well, or one of them. And he's in the same conditions the players are in terms of the heat and all that kind of stuff. So we understand that he's got to deal with it. And I think what he does is he just asks a stupid question, right? But what is... Is Mikel Marino, pound for pound, the best most valuable player in the world. We've all done it. I certainly have. But the problem is, rather than just moving on, he keeps trying to justify the question.

17:40So Tuchel just gets more and more annoyed and it manifests itself as this quite prickly thing. And then Thomas Tuchel has to justify it later in the press conference by saying that, well, obviously I'm pleased we went through. Obviously I'm a fan of this team as well and I know how good they are and how hard they were. But I'm also a football coach. My job is to look at things that are wrong and try and make them better. All perfectly reasonable stuff. And then Bellingham says what he says because Gabriel Clark puts it to him. And I personally just think that Gabriel Clark just lost his head. Like his head was on Mars.

18:07Now what was going on? He was just doubling down, doubling down, doubling down. Now what's probably going to try and happen is that some perceptions of the, you know, some bitter bastards, the BO-ridden tabloid press are going to try and manufacture some kind of scandal between Bellingham and Tuchel, which I don't think is true at all. And I thought Bellingham's points were absolutely fair enough. I thought, you know, he is making a point that, you know, what do you want from us? Sometimes when we're out there, it's a battle and the conditions are tough and we have to get it done. They did get it done.

18:36Ultimately, it comes down to Gabriel Clarke having quite a bad night at the office, in my personal view. That's what I think happened. And I don't think anyone in the camp will give a single solitary shit by now. And it will be forgotten about certainly by the time of the semifinal. But, you know, look, there are problems, going back to the actual point, there are problems with this England team in transition. there are problems in this England team when they can have the game's momentum taken away from them far too easily and we have to give Norway respect they beat Brazil it's not a vintage Brazil side but beating Brazil in the World Cup is still a good achievement Norway have not been in the World Cup for generations so they're having their own moment as well and for England to come through that is massive but to me it feels a bit like the old saying you know you dance with the devil long enough sooner or later he follows you home right at some point this is going to bite England they are going to find themselves not conceding one goal a freak goal or an unfortunate goal like against Congo or against Norway or whatever they're going to concede two and it's going to be against a team who's far more adept at keeping them out and then that's when the questions will really need to be answered I mean they're going up in the next round against Argentina and Argentina's a team that constantly wins we at this moment in time is a team that constantly survives and they have to really find a way to impress their own style on that match I think you could also say that about Argentina We're probably We're jumping a bit Ahead a bit here But I think I think you can say that about Argentina There's a lot of penalty shootouts in there as well You know what I mean They've ridden the luck there as well I'd also say about Norway Like having got to the quarterfinal I think they're Quite a big loss To the energy Of this World Cup But it was always going to end at some point And this is probably an appropriate time For it to end But I think it's always interesting to see Like what team people fall for Yeah and you know beyond like what effect that fans have had at various parts of the US or even Mexico where they've been on and off the field I feel like Norway got a lot right I feel like they've you know they've played some good football they have in Haaland probably somebody's emerged as the most charismatic best footballer we've had in a long long time the whole of America is basically full of alignment yeah and like you know I think his energy about him and like he's I never had a problem with him at all so like he has gone up so much in my in my estimation as like a like a personality as a footballer as a human being and he's doing it in his mid-twenties so it's mad yeah it's just like I'm so I should hate you everything about you you're so tall you're so good is it not is it not the most accurate angle surely is that he is the antithesis of what we're led to and taught that modern footballers are absolutely yeah curated boring yeah can't do whatever they want, anything they want.

21:25Haaland's got his own YouTube channel where he just seems to do whatever he wants. Nothing seems to be filtered through a coterie of advice. Of Man City PR people and stuff. He's just very accessible and very authentic. And so I think that's a massive part of it. And I think what's funny about it, and it might be an exaggeration to say that the Americans have all fallen in love with him, that's what's being reported, right? I mean, the reality is probably the majority of Americans don't really give a shit about the World Cup, but that's another point. The ones that do care, I think Pete and I have discussed this before in a different context, Americans are amazing at knowing what entertainment is.

22:00It's basically just a home of modern entertainment. And when they see an authentic, entertaining character like that, they just warm to it. And I think that's probably the story of Harlan. You know, there's so many different incidents of him just being himself and that being charismatic enough for people to love him. Sincerity goes a long way, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. It does. I have to say, though, by the way, to bringing it back to the game, I honestly celebrate Harlan being subbed off like a girl. 100%, yeah. I know he could barely stand and I know the conditions were barbaric and it was a really difficult thing to overcome and he was dead on his feet.

22:28But I could not believe he had taken... When you make a decision to take off a player like that, with respect, Jürgen Strand-Larsen, it's proper like, you know, you're making your own bed there. You are going to lie in your own bed there. I made the point yesterday that it felt reminiscent of... Do you remember when Spurs signed Helder Postiga, Portuguese striker? Yeah, I do, yeah. And then he came on, it would have been the Euros, or was it 2004? Scored against England. Yeah, in the penalty shoot. That's right, in the penalty shoot, yeah. He dinked it through the middle. That's right. And I made that reference last night when they put on Strad Larsson, and I was like, does anyone remember Helder Postiga?

23:09And was... Great house party. Turns the sound down. Anyway, everyone, everyone. Cut him off. Normal wine. Was Rowley told to shut the fuck up. that happened almost 30 years ago. Yeah, exactly. Exactly, yeah. Lovely story. That's so true. There was a real status of like, oh, okay, so he's, it was almost like the toppling of a dictator. They've taken down the statue. But it was like, that's it, they're free in the street. It was in the moment of time in the match. Tear down that Harlem. Ladies and gentlemen, we got it. It was when England were just kind of like, England just seemed very sort of content to sort of go, look, we may have half an hour left of this match, but we are very confident of being able to defend our six-yard box and we are very confident in being able to clear these lines.

23:53And if you bring off Haaland, even better. Absolutely brilliant. I mean, Haaland did almost have a chance. Alexander Solov had an incredible opportunity in the match to give him a two-on-one against John Stolz, but he didn't pass. He should quite literally have a citizenship revoked. And Stolz wasn't having a great game, has to be said. It was... It's one of the most brainless things you'll see at this World Cup. Like, you have to... I understand Soros a bit head down. He's all about physicality. I know he's a powerful runner and all the rest of it. And he's had to adapt that position, hasn't he, because of Haarlem, basically.

24:25He's had to kind of fill in and do his bit and be a bloody good egg about it. I get all that. But if you are not able to see that that is the key moment for Norway to go through in this quarterfinal, I mean, I'm not even sure you should be on the pitch. You've got an opportunity to just lift your head, play a relatively simple, for that level, 10-yard pass to the greatest striker on the planet who once he pushes out onto his left foot is almost guaranteed to score given the form that Pickford was in in that moment as well and he doesn't even pass it. Who knows what he would have done. Honestly, it is, you know when there was that vendetta against David Gillona for France for giving that ball away and that key international game.

25:06He just wasn't welcome back at Claire Fontaine ever again. I mean, I'm not suggesting that was a good thing but if you were going to impart some kind of partial on Solov. It's kind of that equivalent. It will not go to Valhalla. Yeah, exactly. It was just unforgivable. It really was. And that would have been a real problem for Ingram to say the least. I think, yeah, I mean like, you're absolutely right in terms of like, he was head down but also I feel like Solov throughout his international career should realise, right, I've got the touchline on one side so I can't go there and I've got the greatest striker on the planet.

25:40Exactly, yeah. It just has to go that way. It's not a riddle. Yeah. have I got support yes he's there he's always there take that as read yeah

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29:14Hi, I'm Dion Dublin and when I'm not banging my jube, I'm listening to the Football Ramble. We're obviously on YouTube, so welcome to those of you who have joined us. A lot of people just saying, I mean, it was just absolute sort of sabotage, which is a lovely phrase. I mean, there are a lot of questions on the YouTube, so I'm asking what exactly, why did England play within themselves? What went, I know we won the game, but what went wrong for England in this situation, Luke? They found it difficult defensively in transition in the whole tournament. So that's number one. I did say yesterday, you know, we've got to look at how they respond to that Mexico game, which took a big effort, took a lot out of the tank.

29:48And then you've got to look at the idea that it feels like temperature yesterday was somewhere like 42 degrees Celsius. So, you know, as Bellingham himself said, sometimes you've got to get in there and you've got to outfight your opposition. I think also, you know, part of it might well be that, as Vish said, Declan Rice is taken off at half-time. He's had a difficult few days. He's been ill, etc. That does give you a far greater chance of losing control, I think, because of the type of character Rice is, because of the type of player he is. Tuchel experimented a bit. He was a bit brave, as you said, with Rhys James.

30:23I was actually really pleased to see Rhys James, because I just think he's an absolute Rolls Royce. Absolute. at the end of the game having won that trying to put a positive spin on all the things that you've just explained there I was like well Rhys James got minutes exactly I actually thought that this morning I thought we got away with giving him some minutes ahead of the semi-final which is great also no one got booked which is also great I just think sometimes Pete I understand why you asked the question it's a big talking point around the whole football media conversation but as England fans sometimes we just do forget that there are other teams who also want to win and who are also good part of the real simple answer to that question might just be, well, Norway have got, argue with the greatest striker in the world and they just beat Brazil.

31:01And they've got a playmaker who's just won the Premier League and has nearly won the Champions League. I mean, they are capable. They can cause problems. Right? So, I think with the exception of France, every team in this tournament has problems caused for them. So, we just have to learn to live in that. You can say the same about Spain at times, too. Definitely. The way they've sort of, not squeaked through, but they've been quite underwhelming at times. They've not run away with a lot of games. But one thing I would say, though, kind of related to that, It's this idea that, do you remember under Southgate, we would be frustrated about the lack of action, the lack of changes.

31:32But Tuchel is very keen to stamp his mark on stuff. And I think we should be excited about that as well. And I think it's not just, earlier in the tournament, there was a little feeling that it was just like for like stuff. It's not quite working for Gordon, we'll put Rashford on it. Whatever, it's not quite working for Maduweko, we'll put Saka on. And he's actually changing things. He's actually changed things a lot last night. And he tried a lot of stuff and he was brave enough to go, this is about us. and if we give them enough things to think about we can steal the momentum back I just like the fact that Tugel makes substitutions because he's got that he's got a bit of ego he's not a Southgate he makes subs after you know after everyone's screaming at their televisions you know he just seems to do it before everyone else because Tugel's screaming at all the players as well he's one of us yeah he thinks they're all tellies he's so active isn't he like I thought Jetspens came on and did really well he was amazing he was absolutely brilliant he was like Middlesbrough he was Middlesbrough not even Forest kind of levels that was absolutely a penalty so should we talk about There's three big referees.

32:26So start with that one then. Explain why you think that. So he gets past him and the reason the, you know, your Tintin looking man didn't give it. Clément Turpin. Yeah. Who's French but looks Belgian if that makes sense. He looks like Leandro Trossard. Yeah, that's it. Specifically, he looks like a specific Belgian. A Belgian man. So he, the reason they didn't give the penalty was the... First half of extra time this was. Yes, yeah. is because they say Spence puts his leg in front of the defender and kind of draws a kick. Puts his leg in front of the defender because he's beaten the defender. Yeah, exactly, yeah.

33:04And he basically goes to make, like people do it all the time, all over the pitch. He goes to make room to like, let's say take it with his left and hit it with his right. He puts his right leg across him to create a bit more space in a confined space. Sure. But that's still a foul. It's the Harry Kane penalty that he gave away when he kicked it up in the air. like the defender puts it or the player puts his leg into Harry Kane's space you can make an argument that he's looking for it and he buys it but I think players do that all the time and I think people buy space all the time don't they yeah they do and I think what it comes down I agree with you by the way but what it comes down to I think is you know all the referee needs to really do given that he's already given the penalty so he's asking he's asking he's asking the VAR to tell him whether he should overturn it or not and he's told to have a look and he decides to overturn it we all saw what happened that to me is a really big cause a big threshold because he's instinctively as a referee of some years standing thought that is a foul for all the reasons you've just said and then all he needs to come all he needs to come back to in his mind is that do I think that's an infringement or not?

34:08and it is an infringement that's 100 % an infringement and I know we say this all the time but if Jed Spence does that down the wing it's a free kick all day long so I think it's really big that he overturned it I was surprised that he overturned it I thought it was one of those ones where once he's given it it's not going to be enough to overturn it and it's going to therefore be quite fortunate but yeah I thought it was weird the other two points the other two refereeing things so that disallowed goal with the push on Anderson and the potential foul on Kane for Norway's goal so let's go with Anderson first it's a foul it's a foul all day long it is a foul but when I first saw it and obviously he you know he throws himself on the ground but he bought it it's a foul though Pete it's extension You see that sort of thing all the time, though, in paper boxes, don't you?

34:51What was interesting is, obviously, they said it was the extension of the arms from Haaland. And it was like, even in slow motion, the force of it looked enough to push someone over. I just think he pushes him over. Yeah, he does. But what I think is really interesting is, in open play during that game, there was so much roughhousing between the centre-backs and Haaland. To the point that players were strewn over the floor. like Haaland occasionally as well and the referee's like no play on you're both doing it and I thought but no no I totally agree it was 100 % a foul but what I think is interesting is the fact that like when it's a set play suddenly those rules are completely different yeah I guess the referees just got all of the attention on success yeah yeah I suppose that's it is that not the extension to the point we were making the other day though about how the fact the referees insert themselves in key incidents and they've not been told to insert themselves broadly speaking so it's quite jarring yeah yeah yeah and I take your point philosophically I totally get it.

35:48But I think when you have the back and fall between a striker and a centre-back and stuff, there's something quite cute about that. They're cute about it. They kind of do it when no one's looking. It's a back and fall. People understand what they're doing. Fingers jammed in the ribs. Yeah, I just don't think you can... I mean, it's a blatant push. Yeah, 100%. It's not like he's using his body and he's being cute about it and he's making space by stepping forward to him. But he puts both hands on his back and he pushes him over. I just think because Elliot Anderson just took a second to sort of go, oh, I've got a fall now, and go.

36:17It's a big gamble by Anderson. Massively. I think going back pre-Devaria and actually way back before that even, you know, centre-backs or defensive players, I know Anderson isn't a centre-back but in this situation he's a defensive player. You're not coached to gamble on that. You're coached to be strong and make the most of it and really try and force your way into it. Look, I think, I'm being totally honest here, if Inger scored and it was disallowed for that, I honestly don't have a problem with it because I just think it's brainless. I think if you're going to do both hands in the back can push him, I think you deserve everything you get.

36:46Honestly, I couldn't see any different angle. Yeah, and also the Kane foul that I think you're going to go on to, I mean, that's not a foul. It's not a foul. No way. He gets the ball. Kane's obviously appealing for it because they score, but it's not a foul at all. Hey guys, did you see how Inger Harland was at the match? Yeah. Just every five minutes. He seemed like an absolute dick. Yeah, do you see him tweeting as well? You know, all the things we've said about how well his son's coming across. Yeah. Not as good on Snapchat. He said, well done to Bellingham and the referee yeah he also looked like a complete dick in the stand he was like he was going like that to suspense which blatantly wasn't a dive I understand if he's brought the foul but it's not a dive he goes is that Roy Keane yeah exactly he was obviously equally upset about the spider cam wires did you see that amazing bit of work I love a scandal I mean it does look like it hits them so I don't think it did it Norway claimed the Norway claimed the ball struck one of the spider cam wires from Nylan's goal kick which then dropped to Elliot Anderson who started the move for England's first goal now FIFA say that it didn't touch the wire saying that there was no peak in the snickle which is obviously something that we've you know I think it was been used maybe once or twice did we like snickle it did for the Croatia offside goal I was team snickle but then watching that again it clearly hits a wire it clearly changes the trajectory even in the BBC three dimensional thing it shows it I mean, to be fair, it doesn't stop the ball from moving and go down.

38:16It actually gets higher. So if anything, it slows the ball down, sure. But it actually makes the ball go higher. It doesn't actually go down. It goes up and then down. Thus how gravity is served. I think the biggest tell is watch everyone else's reaction as they anticipate where the ball is going to go for a kick. It would be a weird thing to lie. Yeah, and it just so happens that Anderson is right there when it drops and takes a perfect touch down. Everyone else is running the other way. So, I mean, FIFA are lying. They have to know what went on there. They've got all the data. And Snickle may be, you know, keeping shtum on whatever.

38:52And they may, you know, be massive Snickle fans. But it hit the wire. It just did. I must have not seen the right footage. I wasn't sure. Place the whistle. Yeah, also, I'm in danger of asking you guys a question. What are the rules? What's the protocol? I guess it's like hitting a beach ball, isn't it? It's a beach ball. So specifically, there's nothing in iFab about it, but specifically with games where you have Spider Cam, it's basically just a restart. Right, yeah. So, yeah, like, obviously the referee didn't see it. So the manager was complaining about it. The keeper, was Nyland also complaining about it?

39:29Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day. Also, it's a lot for the, you know, the goal happens not immediately from that, but like, obviously, that is essentially a turnover. Yeah. You know, when it does drop off there. And Norway aren't out because of Spider-Man. They're out because they just didn't take as many chances in the final third, really. But also, yeah, England had equalised because of Spider-Man. Yeah. I think we should give Spider-Man citizenship. Yeah, I think we should do. Take it from Sauloth. Yeah. But ultimately, England's stuck in there, right? The story of the game is they stuck in there.

40:01I've never been more confident about England. It's weird. We just seem to be getting through. Well, you know why that is worrying? You're not confident? It is worrying. I was thinking this and I think it's because we're so used to this Norway game in a completely different way to the Mexico game. There are two types of game in a World Cup that England would 100 % be on the wrong side of in years gone by. It felt a bit Iceland-y, didn't it? Yeah, but all of a sudden we're on, well, take your pick, mate. I mean, we're all of a sudden on the right side of it, which is quite an odd feeling, right?

40:32Yeah. But I think there were some really, there were some tricky moments but there were some really outstanding performances, right? You know, Gordon did okay again. Anderson's always looking for the ball I love that you know when Spence came on he was sensational I thought Saka was better than Maddo okay so that's something to think about you know there were a lot of things to be positive about like you say James got minutes I know that sounds a bit frivolous but that's actually important right he's the best of that bunch so it's important and we go through now to an Argentina team who look I absolutely hate this game don't get me wrong I hate it in principle I just I despise it as a fixture for loads of reasons yeah But in terms of the team in front of them they're going to be facing, what are they?

41:12Do you know what? They're a bit like England. They can be got at. They've not dominated games. They've got a standout player in Messi. Obviously, England have got Bellingham. It's going to be an interesting game because of the rivalry, because of the derby nature of it, because of how important it is to Argentina to play England, because of the history. But actually, the profile of team is relatively similar. We've got two very similar keepers. Naughty boys. Yeah. Cheeky naughty boys I'm thinking Pickford will get the old England flag in his hair like Martina maybe with any look he'll do it himself imagine painting an England flag on yourself I'm really confident about their chances against Argentina I mean less so in the final but I think the way they're making sick the way they're sneaking through the way that Tuchel is proactive with his substitutions and also we've got legs at a time when it's never been more exhausting to play football in these conditions I would say obviously we'll preview the Argentina game properly obviously the thing that concerns me in addition to all the things I've just said is Argentina I feel like have had quite a nice run and they haven't travelled that much as well they've not travelled as much and I don't think they're as exhausted as England look I appreciate with the Switzerland game their extra time they had the ball for most of it but they looked they did look pretty shattered but do you reckon?

42:32yeah I mean it's all relative isn't it obviously you'd be shattered after 120 minutes regardless of whether you have the ball or not. But I suppose also... Try drinking a bottle of wine. Actually, I'm talking bollocks. I'm talking bollocks, actually, because they had life or death of Cape Verde, life or death of Egypt, and life or death of Switzerland. Yeah, we'll beat them, fuck them. Crack open the sternum and let's get the surgery done.

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44:09Yeah, Argentina 3, Switzerland 1, defending Champions League. As we said, will be England's opponents in the semi-final. And Alvarez's goal has to be the one we talk about. He's got the best technique in the world, to my mind. And it's rare. It's been a while since we've seen that kind of stuff from him. And to put it out of the bag in extra time, it's frustrating I was really frustrated that Belliam scored in the third minute of extra time I always do that three minutes before maybe I'm going to do a whole other half an hour partly it's because I want to go to bed but it's the same with Argentina they obviously just got it done I mean obviously the final goal Argentina score is because Switzerland they're fighting for their lives right I actually thought McAllister's header was a great goal as well it's a really good like for a diminutive player you know one for the short kings guys it's a brilliant near post header that really set the tone the commentator said can't be winning that header, he's under 5 '10".

45:07I was like, when is that the threshold? That is quite an odd threshold, isn't it? It's like saying you set your alarm in the morning for 7 '33". He's like, no one does that. Let's do it at 7 '30". It's a weird thing to talk about. He's under 5 '10". I was like, can't leave us alone. And just remind everyone listening and watching, they don't know how tall you guys are. 5 '8". 5 '8". I thought we were both 5 '9 1⁄2". Oh, right. The reason I'm asking is it does fluctuate, depending on what mood you guys are. the shoes isn't it the shoes you're hype maxing sometimes sometimes you're hype maxing exactly smashing my cheeks with hammers do you get a passionate kind of rush when a small player scores a goal particularly a header I like it when it's a very small player that they give hormones to and they get bigger well speaking of which Lionel Messi's never played against England in international football yeah that's crazy isn't that isn't that really interesting that's absolutely wild the stage is set isn't it the stage is absolutely Yeah, but maybe this stage will be too high and you won't be able to climb on it because he's a shot king.

46:06You know what he's going to make me do? He's going to make me move across to being Team Cristiano Ronaldo. That's what he's going to do. Don't let us go. No, that'll never happen. That'll never happen. That'll never happen. Absolutely brainless stuff from Breland Bolo. He was given a second yellow card, sent off a simulation. It's Argentina. Five minutes after Switzerland's equaliser. It's Argentina. You don't have to pretend to be kicked. You're going to be kicked. You're going to be kicked. It's some twist in the tale for me when you see Paredes walking away from the collision and he's complaining about it.

46:37And you think, oh yeah, of course he is. Of course he's your player. Because that's what they're like. But you watch it again and you're like, hang on. What? I didn't do that. I was going to do it. But I didn't do it. The headline for me would be Argentinian player, the first one to ever be wronged. First Argentinian player to ever be wronged in football. The first case of man biting dog. Well, Prentice was given a yellow card initially, but then they are intervened under the mistaken identity rule which is one of my favourite interventions it is a good one but it's slightly mistitled you would probably say yeah but it's the umbrella of he was misidentified as the fowler as a naughty boy yeah exactly yeah but what is what is Mbolo doing there?

47:20like I mean for those who haven't seen it because the game kicked up at 2 in the morning and you might not have caught up on the highlights yet it's down by the benches he's already on a yellow car and for some reason and he tries to almost like exaggeratedly buy a foul with no contact at all, fully knowing that VAR is in operation and then just immediately gets sent off. Xhaka would have been furious. Yeah, he would have been. But he'd have been the only Swiss man to be furious. I guess so, yeah. Because they're all quite benign, aren't they? They don't stay out of it. You've got another week of this.

47:50You've got another week of this nonsense. I know. No, if he can win the World Cup, I can do it for four years. Oh, good. Yeah, nice day. No, when was 66? You can do it forever. Do it forever. Is that kind of an extension of their approach to this Argentina game? Look, if you want to go through, we'll let you through. We just don't. Look, leave us out of it, please. You decide if you want to go out or not. You can stay here if you want, though. Because I also just add that it's won all at the time with 20 minutes to go in a World Cup quarterfin. And also, he was playing so well. Yeah. Like, he had an excellent game.

48:23Probably his best game in the World Cup up until that point in Bolo. But, But his pass to Ndoy... Oh, my God. What a ball. It looks like he's going to shoot. He sends two defenders the wrong way. It's a brilliant guy. And then Ndoy takes a touch. And Martinos, who also had a very good game. Lissandro Martinos. Yeah, Lissandro Martinos. He was brilliant. He was brilliant. He comes in. And Lissandro Martinos, his little scissor kick, at a time of normal time, almost wins it. Yeah. Well, they didn't have a shot on target for 90 minutes, nearly, after their opener, Argentina. Right. That gives me hope in my heart.

48:56I think it's kind of interesting, isn't it? Because Switzerland have done okay. They've done pretty well. Quarterfinal is decent for them. I don't mean that to pack for them. It's decent for them, right? But they will probably have a few regrets. Yeah. Because that is a bit of self-destructive, what Mbolo did, to say the least. It puts them right up against it. They've then got to go through half an hour of extra time. And then obviously Alvarez takes the game away from them. But I feel like it's a bit of an opportunity because I do genuinely believe that Argentina can be got at. And I talked about this a couple of times.

49:30Some of the midfield players Argentina have got have not had great seasons. Now, that'll count for absolutely nothing when they're playing against England because they all want to play out of their skin. Against a puking Declan Rice. Yeah, well, hopefully he's got over that by then. But, you know, the Argentin... As Tim Vickery was saying, you know, the most popular Argentinian football chant is, you know, he who does not jump is an Englishman, right? They care more about playing England than almost anyone else, possibly including other South American rivals. This is a, it's always a derby. It's always a grudge match.

49:58It's always dramatic. And we are going to have to prepare ourselves for this. You know, I would have. And you're talking about us. Yeah, yeah. Let's get Lineker on side. He's had a week of it. Yeah. I thought he was. What's he done? Well, for once, I actually think he's been quite harshly treated there. Yeah, of course he has. Yeah. I'm wearing England first, but I'm trying to inhabit the Marcus Speller. You've got to. You've got to perform the role. you've got to do it it's like being the new James Bond isn't it it is yeah certain things people expect you know yeah so basically in one of his football shows episodes one of them what's it called Restless Football he referred to in conversation he said and when it comes to he said there's a big rivalry there's a big history between the two nations because of you know Falklands or Malvinas all he did was basically say the word Malvinas which is obviously Argentinian term for it obviously and people online because of course they have have just decided to make that a kind of massive controversial thing it's not like he said well I only call him Malvinus because he was he wasn't he was just referencing it and so he got he got pelters for that because everyone on the right of the discourse hates him right so that was basically partly why oh so he got strays in the telegraph no it's all over twitter oh yeah do you know as British people we can't move to the Falklands unless we have a specific kind of role where's Marcus back You've just said that Yeah And rather I thought you I thought you did that Quite nimbly Because he's obviously Quite a big issue Yeah And then he's Come up with that Yeah I just think I just think Why can't we move to the Falklands I just think if we Fight a war over it We should be able to move there Is that fair I feel like that's fair No Apparently you've got to be In finance Or a school teacher Is this still live The only thing I don't like About this Is you're looking at me While you're saying it Get into it Some of the YouTube Comments now Yes What do you call it?

51:50Email in. We spoke extensively, actually, lads, about viruses on yesterday's show. Thank God. What a segue. Go on. Nationalism is a virus. He says for his face paint. And I've got it. And I've bloody got it. Like a roundabout, says DeFisto on the comments. Yeah, you are painted like a roundabout. A roundabout, yeah. George on YouTube apparently said, my missus walked in the room and said, why is that man wearing face paint? My only response was, he does that. Thank you, George. You've got a real kind of end of like quite a big WrestleMania match, Ultimate Warrior. Yeah, yeah. Just actually falling off.

52:28Yeah, yeah. It's good. It's not good. Pete's maintained. I got the steroid sweats. Pete's promised to everyone that he will keep that on until Inga to get knocked out. Yeah. Yeah. Until hair grows out. At least till Wednesday. Yeah. Imagine your pillow between now and I've seen it. It's all right. I bought it from a truck stop. It's probably just full of like really bad leather stuff. Where on earth did you find a truck stop? Well, not a truck stop. I mean, like a garage. A garage that services a lot of trucks. What is that normally for, then? The paint you've used on your face? I think it's for marking the pipes for the petrol.

53:00Yeah. What's Pete like? He calls petrol stations truck stops. Yeah. Truck stop speed. That's where I get my truck stop speed. Yeah, we spoke about viruses on yesterday's show. Before the game, the Argentine Football Federation released a statement saying their systems have been infiltrated by Egyptian hackers who sent mass emails claiming that Egypt's round of 16 win was snatched by corrupt refereeing decisions. Wonderful. Does it count as hacking if it's just mass emails? And also, can I just say, what's the point of that when the players are saying it anyway? Don't worry, keep your powders around that, we'll get a load of hackers to do it.

53:33They've admitted it! FIFA, they've admitted it! He's still saying it now from what I can make out. If you'd like to hack the football ramble, email. It's not worth it, Vish. No. It's just not worth it. There's nothing to be found. No, it's true. It's all out there. It is literally all out there. Well, before we go, we have to update people on, obviously one of the stories of the World Cup, one of the performances of the World Cup was obviously Cape Verde as a team, but also the goalkeeper, Vazinha, a man of many interests, mainly women on Instagram. The Cape Verdean goalkeeper, Vazinha, has had a...

54:07He's in his 40s. Let him get away with it. Let him get on with it, I'm crying out loud. It's either that or buy a moderate-priced sports car. He's had a species of sea slug named after him. Is that a compliment? I quite like that. Would you not like that? I quite like that. It's a small red mask. It's a chance for them all being named after David Attenborough. Have they, right? There's so many species now of David Attenborough. Greedy man. Yeah, I think Cazenia's done well to deserve it. You know, so in gymnastics, if you do a move that no one's done before, that move gets named after you. That's right, yeah.

54:37So Simone Biles has loads of moves named after her, for example. Yeah, I don't mind this, but that Attenborough thing's weird, because I reckon he makes stuff up all the time. You're not going to question it. And his brother killed a lot of people on an island. Yeah. Well, not personally. It was a few very ill-advised decisions containing some brought back to life dinosaurs. Some resin. Some misuse of resin. Don't get me wrong. There's blood on his hands. But he didn't kill them directly. Yeah, I always flitter between the two because, yeah, I totally agree with you. I thought it was reckless.

55:08But then you listen to that cartoon DNA and you're like, he makes some good points. Yeah. It's like the Noss and Ross McWhirter. One was shot at the door by the IRA, and then the other one was on record breakers, I think. Norris McWhirter was the record breakers guy. Right. Yeah. And his brother was... Yeah, that's right. Anyway, marine biologist... The IRA finds a way. I did say to Finn, Marcus is away. You definitely want to do it live. He loves a bit of IRA chat. Making it worse. Apparently, the slug's red colour is a reminder of his feet. The slug really looks like... F-E-A-T, not feet. The slug really looks like a piece of sushi.

55:47It really looks like a piece of sushi. Do you want to see it? Everything looks like a piece of sushi. You want it hard enough. Let's have a look. If you believe. If you believe. Oh, it does. It looks like... That's a lovely bit of sashimi, that. Yeah, it does. Some lovely cod raw. But I think it's a really nice thing. If you think about it, Vazini's had his moment in the sun, right? He's a 40-year-old player. He's not really... Couldn't put that in the sun. Respectfully. Dry up. He's not had an amazing club career, but he's had his moment to shine. I think it's a great story. Yeah, it's lovely.

56:13Yeah. Yeah, you leave your imprint. I was thinking about his life and it must be bloody wonderful because it's like his whole year from now on it's just, you know, nightclub appearances and free holidays that people are going to just, people just want Vizinho around. He's not just come out of Love Island. He's come out of Love Island. And he's already from Cape Verde which is a holiday desolation. That's a good point actually. Yeah, it's a Boston holiday. Oh, another blue lagoon, Robbie. Finally for now, England could have played Brazil last night if Brazil hadn't lost to Norway, of course. Did you see Neymar driving a mobility scooter at Universal Studios?

56:45So this was up there. So Neymar's obviously decided to tack on a little holiday at the end of his work. Fine, good on him. He's decided to go mobility scooter around Universal Studios. It reminded me massively of when... Carnu. Carnu left the game in a wheelchair once. Yeah. Was that after Portsmouth? Was it the FA Cup win? Yeah, I think it was that. Did you say that was after he made like a run from his own half and then Oh it's a foot race it's one of the greatest foot races in the history of football if you watched that foot race between Karnu and who was the defender I can't remember it goes on for about 10 minutes whoever wins we fall asleep yeah it was honestly it was like watching you know those reality shows where celebrities take part in sporting events it was like that can I also just say though Neymar going around Universal Studios and the mobility scooter he's younger than Vecinia he's not even that old no it's a good shot he's just an old soul yeah his knees to be fair are shot to pieces oh yeah they are join the club mate we are obviously going to be previewing all of the semi-finals very soon on the show just a quick shout out to Mertrodrome or Mertrodrome rather on YouTube hello to all the YouTubers who have been getting in touch right throughout the show I'm going to be watching System of a Down Queen's of the Stones at the Spurs Stadium during the semi idiot what you're an idiot hope they're cool enough to keep us posted on the score it could be like one of those remember the best bit of the I think it was The Killers at the O2 when they played Mr Brightside you're joking just as the penalty that's right oh yes that was like I watch that video weekly I love it so Queens of the Stone Age and who else System of the Down oh that's a shame that I remember at Glastonbury 98 it was during England playing Columbia and they suspended all the music and everyone was watching it on the big screen in one of the fields and the only artist I can remember, I think, going back a long way now, but I think the only artist that had to play because they were going on tour somewhere else was Foo Fighters.

58:47And they were on the main stage. There must have been about 500 people watching it. It's a bit crazy. Because is it for Queens of Stone Age, Dave Grohl's been drummer a couple of times? Yes. No one knows, that's it. That's the one he drums on. Yeah, those are two really good bands to see. I feel like they're probably just going to do the same thing, aren't they? I've got no interest in System of a Down, but Queen's the Stone. Sash Tangen likes a bit of football, doesn't he? I'm sure he does, yeah. Of Armenian descent. Armenian descent, yeah. It's probably difficult to name another Armenian artist, I would say.

59:13No. He's a friend in the band. I think they might all be Armenians. So there's four of them. Well done. Thank you for listening to the Football Ramble, part of the Aircast Creator Network. Luke, you're going to be back with Marcus and David on Tuesday ahead of the first semifinal. Looking forward to that. Bloody hell. Bloody hell. We're still in it, guys. I know I didn't think this was going to happen and I've never been more excited for the semi somehow this show has made me feel more nervous this is usually quite cathartic after an England night it'll do that to you it's cathartic when they go out I suppose prolong the agony otherwise say goodbye Luke goodbye Luke say goodbye Vich goodbye Vich and it's goodbye from me

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