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3:35Yeah, welcome to this Friday episode of the Football Ramble. It's very difficult to sit in this chair and not do an impression of the great Marcus Speller. so without further ado maybe or or let's have a Friday frot should we have a Friday frot

3:52Jim Campbell: yeah he says that every week doesn't he I wonder if he's in the studio or not do you know what a frot is I looked it up on Urban Literary I have no idea tell me what you think it is Jim first I believe it's rubbing your genitals on someone or something okay David do you want to expand upon that I mean I just thought I might be doing something wild yeah it is like out of the ordinary it is apparently it's quite literally two penises rubbing together right And in the spirit of that, for the next 45 minutes or so, perhaps three penises can rub together in a conversational style. It's what Marcus would want for a Friday frot.

4:22Dedicated to his absence, we shall frot away for the next 45 minutes. But we're going to start with, as I alluded to in the intro, Alexander Isak's potential move away from Newcastle United. According to reports yesterday, Isak wants to explore a move away from St. James' Park. I think a lot of our eyebrows were raised. We've got six eyebrows between us in here. I reckon at least five of them would have been raised when we saw that he had, quote unquote, a minor thigh injury and couldn't take part in the pre-season tour of Asia. Now, I would... The worst thing about being a professional footballer for me would be pre-season and post-season tours to far-flung places.

5:03Post-season in particular. I can't be fucking arsed to travel. I can't bother. Honestly, I just want to be around a pool. Exactly. So you can have sympathy for him. maybe slightly exaggerating a potential injury to say he doesn't want to do the tour, but it felt, didn't it, when we saw that news come out, that the collective hearts of Newcastle fans everywhere sank. Yes. And it looks like, to me at least, I'll throw it over to you guys, of course, but it looks to me like it's only going to go one way because when players want to go, they normally want to go, don't they? Oh, absolutely. And look, this has been hanging over Newcastle fans and Newcastle all summer.

5:36And the timing is just terrible. There's no good timing for your best player to say, I want out but at this particular juncture it is very very difficult when you're going on your pre-season tours and such and it is troublesome for them going forward because if you look at the striker market as well you have to throw this in everyone's having issues with it in terms of attracting players bringing players in and Newcastle's already failed I think with Segatite who's gone to Liverpool obviously they had a bid for Wisser rejected as well and Guelmo as well Delap Kudos was linked as well Les Ferdinand Stefan Guivash Stéphane Grievarch, yeah.

6:12Hall of Famer, yeah. Stéphane Grievarch, who played up front for France when they won the World Cup, but didn't do anything at all in terms of goals. And then Newcastle still went and got them, and he did nothing for them either. You know, it's a path well-travelled.

6:23Jim Campbell: He's a playground punchline from my ear. He is a bit. I don't know if that was the same for you guys. He is a bit. But Jim, based on what David's saying there, I mean, fine. It is traditionally quite difficult to get strikers in any way, but Newcastle would be probably a bit annoyed as well by saying, hang on a minute, Liverpool, you've already taken Eketike from under our noses and now you want our best player as well. Well, it feels like that's not quite the way that it's played out, right? So, I mean, it sounds as if Izak has decided to be a massive hot mess in the sort of part of the transfer window where a lot of the striking business has been done.

7:01Jim Campbell: Now, obviously, Eketike has gone there. You know, Arsenal have just signed Jokeres and whether there was any realistic chance of that. We're going to come on to that. Of course, but whether there's any... It's pretty much done. I think it's just the medical is the last thing to do. Whether that was realistic or not, there was certainly someone linked with him. So a lot of those destinations that Izak possibly would have been able to land at at the start of the window just don't seem like they're there anymore. The whole window would be very, very different if he'd made this decision in June. So it makes me wonder if it's even possible for him to get a move.

7:32Jim Campbell: I would think Liverpool would be the destination he wants. And in some ways, if you take the finances out of it, it would make sense because we hear a lot about Alexander Izak that in the season that Newcastle were in the Champions League, playing twice a week was difficult for him. He picked up a lot of injuries and a lot of kind of strains because of that. So in a sense, if you have both of those players, you mitigate against that. And we're seeing that more and more with squad building now that teams appear to have too much. But if you want to go deep in every competition, you absolutely have to have that or you're going to fall apart at the end.

8:02Jim Campbell: so I mean Liverpool were pretty good in terms of PSR because very good I was going to say I was looking at their modernisation and I think it was the lowest out of the traditional big city and that's the key thing they barely owe anyone any money which most clubs which is rare and their revenue streams I think it's top I expect they're the top 800 million David do you think you're the only person in the UK this week wearing a Stone Island jacket looking at amortisation of players I think it might be I was going to ask you actually I was going to say to you, with the Stoney on, getting the badge in and bringing it from the North East, are you going to kick off at some point about this?

8:37I think I might have to. Go back up North. I'm just going to bide my time. There's a lot of pressure on Anthony Alanga. Yeah, very much so now. Anthony Alanga's coming and it's that John Travolta gif. He's just looking around. Going, what? Yeah?

8:50Jim Campbell: It's just me. Is it just me? But I mean, if Liverpool can make it happen, even then, presumably for it to be worth it for Newcastle, they're going to have to stump up a lot of cash up front. so possibly because of this PSR headroom even though they've spent what they've spent maybe they're the only club that can do it and it's a market opportunity where it's like okay it is objectively mad for us to do this now but at the same time he's arguably the best striker in the world certainly in the conversation I still think Darwin Nunez could go as well and there's still a potential to lose Diaz as well so I think they're fine or their revenue streams are that good right now that they can do this deal and not really get away without losing anyone but I think they might just go oh this is probably a good time to move Darwin on wherever he may end up going.

9:31So they're in a really good position. And like you say, you've got to have a deep squad. You've got to have players in different positions. We don't know how long Ekotiki is going to take to adapt. But as well, brilliant player, but he might take a bit of time to adapt. So they've got to have this in mind. Yeah, and I guess you can look at it, as everybody's types of stories, you look at it from the Newcastle side, you look at it from, as we expect, Liverpool side. And maybe we can do a bit more on Newcastle in a minute. But on the Liverpool side, they look very very threatening and very powerful now it's getting it's too premature to say they're going to have a kind of dominant period but we A don't know what's happening with Man City a couple of other big teams in the Premier League look miles off it Arsenal tried to knock on the door not kind of got over the threshold and Liverpool are now really strengthening from a position of strength already I said on Monday they won the league by such a big margin it was over really miles before the end of the season.

10:26Yet they also look like, if this happens, they've probably done the best in the transfer window this summer as well. So they're going from strength to strength quite literally. Absolutely. And that's what the great teams do. Look, you don't just like rest on your laurels and go, oh, we won, that's it. Ferguson's United with a great example of it. Exactly. Always improve. There's never a case where you can just keep things the same. And they've done that exactly well. And the signings they've made have been astounding. And what? They might still be a centre-back coming in as well. I know they really like Mark Gaze as well.

10:54so it can be gay as well. They signmark gay as well. Yeah. It'd be unbelievable, wouldn't it?

10:58Jim Campbell: There'd be a lot of money for gay, won't it? Imagine the conspiracy that'd have to happen for them not to win the league. We don't have to imagine it because we'll hear about it. Yeah. On the Newcastle side then, I mean, the reports came out yesterday that the great Alan Shearer himself, the king of Newcastle, Alan Shearer is reportedly trying to convince the exact to stay. And I just thought that was quite a confusing sentence to read. What is he going to do? what can Alan Shearer tell him he invited him to his castle the Newcastle the king of Newcastle lives in Shearer's part yeah exactly Shearer's fort yeah exactly what's the pitch please you pitch your Alexander Easek sitting around your lovely house you're plotting your Liverpool move if the nefarious nature of what he's doing is to be believed with his team and the phone rings and it's Alan Shearer what's he saying I mean Alan Shearer couldn't convince Newcastle to not get relegated as a manager.

11:53Jim Campbell: You can be a legend here is going to be part of it, isn't it? Yeah, definitely. But the issue is, I think if you're Alan Shearer, genuinely what you say is, look, it's going to take a little bit of time because of the PSR rules, but Newcastle are going to be a dominant force in English football. That's inevitable. And you'd be a hero and you can win everything if you stay and be a part of that. Whether that's possible within the timeframe of Izak's career, because he's 25 and careers are short, and as we've seen, because of the PSR rules, it is taking Newcastle time to have the money available to do what they want to do.

12:26Jim Campbell: That's surely the only route of attack, right? But Dave, my take on it is that, you know, he's turned out a contract in the summer, apparently. He was offered to be the best paid player in Newcastle's history and neither of that's convinced him. So is a phone call from one of the least charismatic men in football going to change anything? It's absolutely not going to do anything. Are you saying that with your Sunderland hat on? No, honestly, I'm saying... No, look... Why do you keep pumping your fist? Why do you keep... Is that a palmer? That's a little candle in it, a little sparkler. No, I'm going to avoid getting tribal here.

13:04Will Sunderland throw that hat into the ring for him? No, because he's not coming from the league on and isn't 21. Yeah, OK. He's not...

13:13Jim Campbell: He's too old for us. Don't fit the profile. Old man he's that. Look, I just think, I mean, you've said a key point there, a couple of years away from potentially Newcastle being a challenge for the title. But it's very, very difficult for clubs to do that. And I think Isak has looked at that and said, look, I want to win titles now. He's had a few injuries in his career as well. So he's probably looking at that. He's 25 now and I know it's still young, but he's probably still looking at it and going, I want to win titles now. I need to have something to show for my career. Newcastle, the way things are shaping up and the power between several clubs at the top of the league is I need to make this move and join one of them.

13:51Yeah. Basically, because it isn't happening when you're outside that group of teams. And it's unfortunate. It's a sad thing. It's a sad way to look at it. But that's unfortunately how it is. And players want to win trophies. They want to end their career with something to show for it. Yeah. And you guys alluded to at the top of this, but just to reiterate, they need forward players now. I mean, if what we think is inevitable does end up being inevitable because generally speaking, eventually if a player wants to go, they go. Even if it's not now, the die is probably cast. So that means that Newcastle desperately need forward players.

14:25I know they've got Murphy had a good season last season. Gordon's a good player. There are players out wide who can affect things. Harvey Barnes has made a contribution. But they've lost Wilson, who is kind of a busted flush anyway. If they lose Izak as well, who are you relying on? You've got the young lad, Asula, who they rate, but you can't really expect him to lead the line.

14:42Jim Campbell: They'll have to replace him. They'll be linked with Benjamin Sesko and throw a lot of money at that. Sesko and Visser it'll be probably. It has to be possibly both. I mean, I'd get Sesko and then I'd probably invest it elsewhere on the team if they can, if the PSR allows it. I'd invest it elsewhere. But Sesko seems to fit their remit of a young player that they can mould and work with like they did when they got Isak. I think that'll be a really good move for them. Visser going to Newcastle seems an odd one because of the stage of his career he's at. He's 29 and don't get me wrong, he's proven he can score goals in the Premier League but I just think they'll go for somebody younger and I think we should add as well we've got to remember Newcastle's had such a tricky summer all over because of Paul Mitchell heading out from his sporting director role and I think that upscuttled a lot of their plans for this summer you've got to keep that in mind that the new regime came in a little bit later and plans were all a bit skew-wiff in terms of where they saw themselves because I know the fans have been getting itchy saying look where's the new signings we've had a great season let's build upon it only Alanga came in they've had those knockbacks so it's been a really troubling summer for them so it'll be interesting to see where they are on targets to account for Isaac's loss Yeah, clock's ticking as well and this feels like one of those things that might just run and run if you think Giocarez is run and run Isaac feels like it might because if Newcastle want to be difficult about it they can make it drag out They might have to be difficult about it because Or they might have to do it quick though because they might want to get someone in What I was going to say was the way obviously as we know the transfer works the way transfers work If a player costs, say,£60 million, you never get all of that at once.

16:10Jim Campbell: But if they need to go out and sign someone very expensive, very quickly, they will need to say to Liverpool, look, we need£70,£80 million of this now so that we can spend it now. So that's obviously going to be a consideration as well. So it's going to be really messy. Okay, fair enough. Before we move on, just very quickly get a sense check from you guys on if Izak does leave Newcastle and leaves them in the lurch so Newcastle can't get a striker replacement in time, will Liverpool fans consider him a rat it's a good question there is rodent like behaviour I suppose on display isn't there by those standards but do you think Liverpool will forgive that though I think they might be quite quick to forgive it yeah actually can you see he's getting booed in his first game at Liverpool again I would be very surprised I fear for Jack Grealish as we know he's scared of mouse a lot of players Grealish isn't involved we'll hear more about Grealish the profile of mouse at the moment.

17:06Jim Campbell: So it's going to be a frightening season from next year. Was it not Cole Palmer? I was getting two idiot twins mixed up. The idiot twins of the Premier League. Grealish was the one who said he was scared of mouse, mice, rat, mouse. I think that's the exact little conversation he had for himself. If you had to come down one side of the fence or the other, both of you, would you say that Cole Palmer is also frightened of mouse? No. Palmer fears nothing. I think Palmer would just smash it. Yeah, sort of like, you just think it's a wasp and just like... That's a very powerful sound. Yeah, well, well, yeah.

17:38You've obviously done it yourself, David. All right, I can't remember what... Oh, yeah, it was about Liverpool, wasn't it? It was having a dig at them. Pretty standard. Okay, speaking of players who want to leave and may or may not be able to, Granit Xhaka has apparently agreed terms to join Sunderland. But before you start taking your T-shirt off and running around the desk, David, in celebration, Eric Ten Hag has had something to say about it. He says that Xhaka's agent can say anything, but this club has already lost three important players. We won't let any more players go. That's not possible.

18:09This feels to me like it's only going to end up making Eric Ten Hag look stupid for the first time since his team lost 5-0 to an under-20 side in pre-season last week. David, you must be confident now that Xhaka's going to move to the North East. Yeah, absolutely. But he's not French or 21, so he must have a bit of trepidation involved. It's interesting. they were doing a few interviews at the start of the summer in terms of how Sunderland the spotting director how they would approach this season and they said they're going to go for a bit more experience so obviously the first few transfers have not been experienced so you can see them pivoting to that now and I think there was a lot of links with Henderson as well obviously before he moved but I think it's a really good move and it is the sort of presence that you need in midfield in the centre of the team to bring everybody together Has he still got enough to offer?

18:59I think so.

19:00Jim Campbell: AC Milan wanted him earlier in the window. I just feel like Italy is obviously a very different league than the Premier League. And so, Xhaka's made a big contribution to Leverkusen's recent success under Alonso. We know that. But he is advancing in years. He was moved on effectively because Arsenal felt like he wasn't going to that. No, the opposite was true. And he wanted to go. He wanted to go to Leverkusen. And what I find very interesting about this is part of the deal he had at Leverkusen included the option to stay on in a coaching role. so I think he's been doing his coaching badges for a long time so I'm surprised he actually wants this move I think it's the Eric Ten Hag effect it's like if I stay here I'll be put off the idea of managing so just get me a move Sunderland where's that it's in England yeah go I thought it was the Sunderland effect and you just saw Sunderland and he was like oh it's massive do you hear that though where's that unbelievable unbelievable it's that southern vibe I was going to say bloody southerners man but they they have made moves Sunderland I mean we talk about how Premier League teams promoted to the Premier League can give themselves the best chance of staying up.

19:58And one of the answers is inevitably throw loads of money at it. Simon Odinga, 20.5 million. Habib Diar, 30 million. Odinga is an amazing signing.

20:07Jim Campbell: I cannot believe they've pulled that off for that little money as well. Presumably he didn't have so much time on his contract or something. Yeah, they were linked with him before as well when Watson got linked with Brighton. Tommy Watson got linked to Brighton first. They were saying Sunderland were trying to get Odinga as part of the deal. And obviously they've been doing a separate deal now. So the interest was there. Sunderland would really, really like him. And he fits that wide mould of player that they've been looking at as well. And they've lost, obviously, Watson, who was important for them.

20:31That deal was done ages ago, wasn't it? And they've also lost Joe Bellingham, of course. Joe was the big one. That was the one. And looking at bringing in Habib Diada, I think that kind of actions that. And look, Watson obviously got the win and sent us up, but he didn't play that much for us. So it wasn't like he was taking out the team and that's going to be a big loss. So yeah, the money's there. And we had the money from the Jack Clarksland that they didn't really, a sale that they didn't really spend as well when he went to Ipswich the year before. And you are on the record in this very studio of saying you think Sunderland will stay up this season.

21:01Yeah, I don't think that's wild. And Granit Xhaka makes me even more confident.

21:05Jim Campbell: I mean, Xhaka is, for all of his previous kind of head losses and stuff, he's really matured and that appears to have gone entirely out of his game. Obviously, when he was at Arsenal, he played a bit in a more advanced role towards the end of his career. That carried on at Leverkusen. Then he kind of went back a little bit to the role he played before. He wasn't so kind of steady. Although I think he was always a bit underrated in that sense because his line-breaking passes from deep were always very, very good. And I think he's matured in that role as well. So he'll offer a lot. And he's a real leader.

21:36Jim Campbell: He was known as a kind of almost unofficial captain in the dressing room. Despite a few flare-ups. Yeah, there was a few incidents, wasn't there? And I think that washed over what a good leader he actually is. Absolutely. And I think that is absolutely crucial to any team coming up. you know that sort of experience it's an incredible signing if they can pull it off if they can mug off Eric Ten Hag yet again do you think for us it's just in our minds it's settled now that Eric Ten Hag is just a calamitous person yeah it's really unfair isn't it because he's achieved more than any of us ever will if you put us all together and yet he seems like a clown because he's in Germany now football is so cruel because he's in Germany now any good thing he does he's not picked up by the British press is he anything that comes up makes him look slightly stupid it gets picked up for all I know they've won every single of a pre-season game like 10-0 which is not reported because they lost 5-0 to an under-20 side they've been linked with Anthony as well so he might actually this might actually be his biggest achievement Manning I had is taking Anthony doing him a favour yeah exactly well Xhaka's apparently picking Sunderland over Saudi side Neom and speaking about the frying pan to the fire Jose Mourinho's Fenerbahce I'm not replacing that manager with that one for very different reasons but it's still going to be a stressful what a combo they would be though I'm sad to not see that happen Xhaka being managed by Mourinho in a massive Istanbul derby is something that we do deserve to see in some way some sort of loan can that happen?

22:59the fact that you've said he's calmed down now in his later years that situation would test that theory to the very limit very much so you could have him in a tan with you as spicy that would be well exactly that would be absolutely spicy depending if Newcastle have got any players left or not alright well we wish Grant Xhaka all the best in his pledge to deliver European football to Sunderland next season David's nodding vigorously there let's go for a break coming up after this Marcus Rashford finally gets his Patatas Bravas Terry Sheddingham will be furious

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25:54Jim Campbell: If you listen to what I'm saying, we don't have to sell. The papers have been talking nonsense for months. I read it in the papers that you have to sell. Do you believe you are missing the media then? David Cartlidge there, everyone. Calling into TalkSport last night. No, it was a Newcastle fan. he was actually called Pete as well so this was shared on social media and I sent a joke into the ramble what's that group saying Donald's has lost his mind but he weirdly sounds a bit more like you than he does Pete that's a set up that's not a real I'm not having that they're loving it in the studio I mean as Pete said imagine being really wound up and having Jamie O 'Hara and Gabby Agbonahor to calm you down and Gabby Agbonahor you can see in the clip he asked that question to wind him up Gabby Agbonahor getting the better of you on national radio I think they were talking about the fee as well and go, he's only worth about 50, 40 million or something as well.

26:47So they were real in the minute.

26:48Jim Campbell: That was a set up. That was a prank. So that's like a Sunderland double agent, you think? Absolutely. That's somebody in a pub in Sunderland with his mates and they've gone out the bar. Is that a Sunderland accent? I can't tell. No, it's just, it's a strange accent. That's what it is. Because to me, the Pete Donaldson Hartlepool, the Dave Cartley Sunderland and the general Geordie accent, they're all subtly different when you're in communication with people directly, but in my mind, away from it, they're all the same. He just sounds like if a teapot could talk, he'd just get more and more. Yeah, steaming.

27:19Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, as I've regularly said on this show, it's rare to have two of the top three people, stupidest people I've ever met, in doing this job in the same studio, in Jamie and Harry and Gabby O 'Connor. I'm not going to tell you who the third is, but technically they could have also been in the studio as well. So anyway, Marcus Rashford, has moved to Barcelona. Barcelona confirmed the signing of him on a season-long loan from Manchester United on Wednesday. They have an option to buy him for£30 million. Rashford himself has taken a 25 % wage reduction when bonuses are factored in.

27:53He'll wear the number 14 shirt, which he made semi-famous by Thierry Henry at Barcelona. And this is a really interesting move because it's almost as if Marcus Rashford made this happen just by visualising it. Totally. he asked the universe he Noel Edmonds he Noel Edmonds did into into reality and I'm tempted to say although I don't think he's carried himself with amazing credit during the time of May and I I think he's probably played his part in it being a tricky situation I think it's fair to say I am kind of pleased for him as well yeah I mean can they register him David well that's always the thing with Barcelona who knows he might be in the stands for a few months before they boot somebody out Nico Williams was like I'm not going to move if I'm sitting in the stands like Danny Olman was for a couple of months that I want to play that was the main reason they didn't go wasn't it yeah so that's how it goes but yeah look like you said he's done unbelievably well to get this move do you think he's worth it no you don't think he's worth the move he hasn't earned the move no no I don't think I don't think he's earned it I'm questioning I don't think Barcelona really need him as well it is

29:02Jim Campbell: isn't it a depth signing it looks to us because of the profile of Rashford and because of the sort of drama that surrounds him in this country that he's going to go in and start, but he's not going to get in over Rafinha, is he? No, he's going to be rotating back up. They're going to play a lot of games and they'll need a bit of depth there. So yeah, I totally, totally get that. But I mean, he's not going to play as a striker there. He's going to be playing out wide. That's for absolute sure. And it will be interesting to see how he beds in. He's purred out there. Look, I'm desperate to play with Yamal.

29:32It'll be interesting to see how he links up because look, Hansi Flick's football since going to Barcelona has been excellent there. And Hansi Flick apparently really wanted that. Yeah, which is interesting. Their football has been really entertaining, really expansive and everything that Manning Ait's football hasn't been for a number of years when Marcus Rashford's been there and he's been the subject of a lot of criticism. So he could ultimately enjoy his football again.

29:55Jim Campbell: It's an amazing, amazing move when you consider everything that's happened because I think Barcelona, watching them in the Champions League last season, some of the games they had, some of the results were absolutely crazy. They were the most entertaining team in it. And they look like they're on the cusp of being something really, really special. And they need to tighten up a little bit at the back and they need to be a little bit less kind of possibly a bit reckless. They have those kind of head loss moments sometimes that you can... Had that amazing game against Inter in the Champions League.

30:23Jim Campbell: And Benfica as well, that incredible one in the rain. And I just... It's amazing to me that Marcus Rashford has managed to insert himself into that. It's like when Nathan Dyer moved from Swansea to Leicester and won the league. Who could have seen that coming? It's like, well done. Yeah, exactly. To me, it feels like, I think I mentioned this in earlier weeks when this idea that Rashford may or may not move on to somewhere like Barcelona was being talked about. I feel from admittedly quite a simplistic viewpoint, it's like, it's a World Cup year. You've lost your way. I mean, you've lost your way, right?

30:58I know you've had a little bit of redemption at Aston Villa. You've been given a bit of a lifeline there. You've made a contribution. the way Emery used him was quite interesting with this idea of starters and finishers and he would bring him in Asensio on and they'd do stuff and obviously they played in the Champions League and all the rest of it

31:10Jim Campbell: and obviously he was brilliant against PSG the standout team in Europe which is a huge shut window for him he was but the thing is if you go back four or five years when he's scoring 20 plus goals a season for United you know he's some way away from doing that at a top club and as I keep saying it's a World Cup year so he's hopefully looking at it going need a fresh start Barcelona are as big as it gets. And I want to force my way back into that World Cup contention for next summer. But the problem is, the fly in that ointment, David, is that, as you and Andy have said, I mean, Andy said on the continent yesterday that he's probably much more likely to be cover for Rafinha than play through the middle or start a huge amount of games or whatever.

31:52The fly in the ointment is he might not play. He might just go from being on the bench at Man United or not even in the squad at Man United to on the bench at Barcelona and playing here and there. and if you're that type of attacking player, it's actually quite difficult to build momentum and be consistently performing if you're not playing all the time because you're expected to go on and change games and it's pressure. And also Barcelona, for the vast majority of games, don't need the game to be changed because they're already fucking winning. I was going to say they're in the ascendancy. So it might be a case of, who knows, maybe Flix looked at how you've mentioned about Emery used Rashford and might use them at a certain point in games just to finish off games or just to extend leads and such.

32:29But I'd be really surprised. it's them, look, don't get me wrong, I hope he does. I'd be really surprised if he is, you know, by the end of the season, an integral piece of that Barcelona set-up. I still think he'll have a particular use there and that will be just dipping in every now and then. And look, he's got a lot to learn as well because it's a completely different style to what he's been playing. And he's only been used to the Premier League style. He's only been used to the Manning Elt style of play. So there's going to be a lot that he has to take on board to understand when he's at Barcelona.

32:56Did you think he... So what did you make of it? In the rear view mirror, what did you make of his contribution at Villa? Do you think it was kind of overrated because people didn't want him to do really well? I think it was Vassi overrated. Do you?

33:05Jim Campbell: Yeah, you do. I think if you take away his profile and the talk of loan fees and all that stuff, I thought it was good. I thought it was decent. I thought it was just fine. Yeah, well, I think he had that brilliant understanding with Asensio, didn't he? He scored a few goals, made a decent number of assists. I think, surely you have to look at it in terms of pure numbers alone. I don't have them in front of me, but I remember them. So the pure numbers alone, I don't know how many assists, but it's four goals and 17 appearances. Yeah. But there were some assists in there. There were some assists in there.

33:34David's gone for the big shot of him being overrated, vastly overrated. I think that there was that added aspect of everybody enjoys another stick to beat Manning Aided with. Yeah. Even if he looked moderately okay there. In the words of Denise Welsh, dive in, it's lovely. It's lovely doing that. All he had to do was moderately well, and everybody was like, oh, look at him, he just needed to beat Manning Aided. It was the same with Sancho or Rashford. Anthony, obviously, had a very good loan. Anthony, by comparison, had an amazing loan at Bettis, whereas I think Rashford was fine. It was okay, but it was exaggerated, I think, given the context of it all.

34:05Yeah. Well, there's nowhere to hide now, is there? No, absolutely not. And to be fair to him, if you're going to give him some credit, because we were talking about the idea that maybe he doesn't want to play football as much anymore, or is he out of love with United, or is he out of love with football? If you're going to give him credit, you have to say, I mean, it's not like he's hiding. I mean, he's gone to Barcelona. He knows how much attention he's going to get.

34:24Jim Campbell: Absolutely, and they are a really demanding set of fans, really demanding club. Media attention as well? Yeah, massively. and from here as well because it's only the second English player ever to play for Barcelona. I wonder if actually if you're Hansi Flick the smart thing to do now is think I don't want to run Laminio Mali into the ground. He's already played a lot of football. He's only 18. Rafinha can play on the right as well. Perhaps there might be some cases where Rashford is first choice replacement on both sides and we see a bit more of him because I think you know it's impressive that he's got this move.

34:55Jim Campbell: There must have been some talk going on behind the scenes for him to keep saying I want to play for Barcelona. I doubt he has manifested it. But it's a hell of a challenge to set yourself because we've all seen Rafinha's story about him coming from the Vazia games in Brazil where talented players without clubs play and they're really, really intense and mad. And he's really fought to get to the pinnacle of football. And you're coming in as Marcus Rashford to compete with the world's most motivated man. Was he top scorer in the Champions League last night as well, Rafinha? He may well have been, yeah.

35:25Jim Campbell: He was certainly up there. and I just think that is I don't think there's a bigger challenge in terms of the person in front of you so it'd be interesting to see how he adapts to that He's been explicit about this as well he actually said so obviously the Barcelona media like you said it's going to be as intense as the British media for Rashford he's not going out there to kind of hide a little bit and sort of get away from the big bad English media trust me Barca media is very very toxic Rafinha actually said look if Nico Williams or Rashford or whoever it is come here they need to work to get their place and he explicitly said that because he felt a bit threatened because he knows how hard he has worked to cement that position because every summer there was links about Rafinha oh he's going back to the Premier League Barcelona need to move him on to bring in Nico Williams or somebody like that so he has got yeah that pressure's there he's you know dethroned Rafinha who has really nailed down that spot yeah he's become a Ballon d 'Or candidate it's incredible yeah well we'll see what happens won't we we will see what happens to me lads moving on the most exciting thing I read in the running order when we were preparing for this show this morning, was three words that producer Finn put in there, which was just simply this, Napoli, I, Grealish.

36:32And I know he's scared of mouse. Yeah. Right? And maybe, I imagine there are quite a lot of mice. Mouse-o. Quite a lot of mouse in Napoli, in Naples. You know, you're not really going to ever find a place in a big city where you're not going to encounter mouse. But Jack Grealish, obviously, the preface to this is that Grealish his future at Man City has been questioned quite a lot. There's been a lot of rumours because he hasn't played as much, didn't make a big contribution last season. However, earlier this week, he left the UK and flew to Naples, which in the modern era has obviously sparked so much speculation.

37:10Correa dello Sport have since said he's one of several left-sided players being considered by Napoli. And then it turned out a lot of the rumours have their basis in the fact that a taxi driver who took him from the airport to the Amalfi Coast spoke on Italian radio and said the following, Grealish is still on the Amalfi Coast. I took him there. I can't tell you where he's training, but yes, he's here. Maybe he's had some contact with Napoli. I picked him up at the airport. I took him to the coast and this morning he did his first training session. I can't ask him anything. He's on holiday and maybe some questions would bother him.

37:48A very confusing quote and I, The same way that people wanted to beat Maynard with a stick when Rashford left, I want this to happen so much that I've got absolutely no objectivity about this story. Same. I'm desperate for it as well. De Bruyne is there to help him settle in.

38:03Jim Campbell: McTominay and Billy Gilmore are there as well to help him settle in. You can just tell him that he lives on holiday so he doesn't freak out. Yeah. Apparently, according to a 2013 study, there are approximately 10 million rat in Naples. So, is he considered that? I doubt he will have. I was thinking Como as well. I'd quite like Italy or Spain for Grealish. That's just where he... Yeah, but Como's got the environment and the kind of thing. But Napoli is Napoli, man. It's a completely different kind of film. I know, but Sesk and Grealish. I don't know. That is a nice idea. But also Grealish and Pompeii.

38:35Jim Campbell: Imagine the videos of him going around that. Yeah. Maybe that's why he's there. He's just taking a little cultural excursion, you know? It'd be great to get... I'll tell you what. I doubt it's that, David. Do a viral video where you have to get Grealish to Pompeii and he has to look at the bloke who got killed having a wank. Yeah, the volcano wanker. Do you know about the volcano wank? No. The guy you got... They've done him dirty. There's a guy in a Perspex boxer, Pompeii, who has been killed by the ash cloud in the middle of having a little five-knuckle shuffle. And as I said on the live tour, we covered this.

39:12I can't show it was. and he's either he's been killed instantly while masturbating or he's looked up at that ash cloud and he's gone I've probably got 10 minutes here and he's been caught short.

39:23Jim Campbell: Yeah or he was playing and it was like well you know I'm not changing my job so I'm not changing my day for that. I've been as well I can't believe I missed it. Oh mate it's great. What was I doing? If there's one thing better than Napoli winning the league it would be Napoli winning the league with Grealish. Absolutely. They've already got Noah Langen which I think is the most perfect fit. He is the ultimate chaos agent as well. There's a nice yin and yang there. Get those two in. Before we move on to the final part of the show, on Wednesday, guys, we discussed the rumor of Sean Dyche eating worms during a training session once.

39:58It wasn't really a rumor. What happened was me and Jim got confused because I thought that Sean Dyche was asked in a press conference why his voice was so gravelly. The famous Sandy Ballbag voice, Jim. And he said, oh, it's because I eat worms. but you said it was because during training as a player as a bit of a kind of like footballer banter he would occasionally be found on earthworm he would eat it.

40:20Jim Campbell: Yeah, as I remember it a former teammate of his said that that had happened and Dyche denied it. So Wormgate is all over the shop if you don't Google it like we haven't. And then we started talking about the famous Worm Charming tournament that takes place in the UK every year and then someone he might injure. Yes, I was unaware of that but Mark Duffield Thomas has commented the following on Spotify. The Worm Charming, the lads mention, is the Williston World Worm Charming Championship in the small Cheshire village of Williston near Crewe. Been running since 1980. I grew up there and have participated many times.

40:56Jim Campbell: Using a garden fork to lightly lift soil and pretend it's raining works. Strictly no digging. Also prizes for biggest and heaviest worms. The world record is 567 worms in 30 minutes by 10-year-old Sophie Smith, according to the International Federation of Charming Worms. Grubs! That's amazing, isn't it? Lovely sign-off as well. I also, I feel like Mark is pushing the rules of that competition at the very limit there, because he's apparently, quote-unquote, using a garden fork to lightly lift soil, although digging is banned. Where's your cut off? It would be weird if it was like a household fork.

41:33Yeah, it could work. I watched them... And a spoon.

41:38Jim Campbell: getting together like spaghetti so they can't get back in there's videos on YouTube of this and what a lot of people seem to be doing is as Mark says simulating rain so some people are literally just like tapping on the soil like it's raining with water in Canwood and the worms just pop up and they get straight in the bucket and there's something about this that reminds me of how my grandad told me how to grow a beer when I was a kid have I told you about this? so here with the worms they come up you pull them out so they can't go back and you put them in the bucket and they get counted, right?

42:09I don't know, but I presume no worms are harmed in the competition. And I should say, before I move on, 567 worms in 30 minutes is incredible. I mean, that's absolutely ridiculous.

42:20Jim Campbell: Horrifying if you're scared of worm. Yeah, horrified if you're the worm. It's wherever my friend's gone. But when I asked my granddad how to grow a beer when I was a kid, he said to me, before you go to bed, I didn't do this. I guess I kind of didn't believe him, but he did say, when you go to bed at night rub salt in your chin right okay and then leave a cup of water next to your bed and when the hairs come out because they get thirsty for a drink tie a knot on them so they can't get back in nice yeah apparently that's how you do it brilliant we also asked for our listeners to submit footballers with palindromic names and they have been appalling at it I mean it's very rare the Ramble listeners let us down here in the studio but so far we've only got a misspelling of Phil Babb to B-A-A-B from friends around Alex Peters and there have been no other suggestions for palindromic surnames of footballers.

43:15Someone else also said, one of the worst contributions to this debate I've ever seen was someone also said, Ugo Ekeog is kind of one if you move the I and the E around his name. That's not how it works. You can't do that. But there must be other ones out there. And David, you went on the show earlier in the week, but it comes from the fact that Eke Tike is a palindromic surname footballer about to join the Premier League. Anyway. I've got Reiner, who played for Dortmund in Real Madrid. I can't understand your accent. How does it spell? Reiner. Reiner? Yeah, yeah. Reiner. Reiner. He played for Dortmund in Real Madrid.

43:46That's R-E-I-N... R-E-I-R. E-I-R. Yeah, yeah. It works. It does work. It does work. I trust you for it. So there we go. Your accent doesn't lend itself to any pronunciation. All right. Sorry. Coming up after this, we are going to talk hypnotists. Yes, you heard me. Hypnotists.

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45:15All right, welcome back to the football ramble. We were suggesting on Wednesday that just been, do you know what? It's just, there's no season. There's no football happening. It's been slow. So we were suggesting on Wednesday as well that Chelsea might have a hypnotist on their transfer negotiation team. And Jim, someone else has been in touch about this. We get more emails about this stuff than we do about actual football. We do.

45:34Jim Campbell: Yeah, which I like, to be honest. Martin Rees has been in touch. He says, Hi, guys. Sadly, I can neither confirm nor deny that Chelsea have a hypnotist, but the conversation reminded me that at a friend's wedding just last Saturday, I met one of five, yes, five magicians currently on retainer with Chelsea Football Club. Apparently, their work is mostly for corporate hospitality and functions rather than transfer activities, though. I'm also not able to confirm whether any magicians are currently on loan to Strasbourg or whether any are on loan from Manchester United, and if so, what kind of fee is involved if the club decides to opt out of any compulsory purchase clause?

46:06Jim Campbell: I mean, five is a lot. Five is loads. It's ridiculous. It's like their goalkeeper department, isn't it? It's absolutely stacked. I mean, see, I feel like at one point magicians, that they got a really bad rep, say around in the 90s, where a lot of them felt like they were being outed as perverts. Yes. Right? And so they had to go urban. And that's when you saw Dynamo and David Blay. And it's like, no, we have to reinvent and style magicians now to make them edgy and cool and dangerous. again so they're not seen as perverts right now i don't know how the economy works around magicians but if this is indicative of say premier league clubs that means there's a hundred magicians currently in work on football club retainers alone yeah and this is just magicians do you know who i feel for i feel for the five and six year old kids who want a magician their party there's not they're gonna have to prize them out of a deal with a premier league club to get them to do a saturday at their birthday party i mean i'd love to know if anyone else has got any information about football clubs having magicians on retainers.

47:03Jim Campbell: Yeah, and anything like that as well, whether it's magicians or like, well, God knows what else. Well, if it was hypnotist, you could use it to get out. Indeed. I've been hypnotised. There was a man in the US who I think committed, I want to say two murders and got off because he was able to scientifically prove that he was sleepwalking at the time. I've heard about that recently. Yeah. That is some lawyer, that. So the hypnotism thing could work as well. Say you back pass it into your own net or you miss an easy chance. Why is the club I play for got so many hypnotists retained? If I'm walking down the corridor, I might be hypnotized and not know about it.

47:37So it's a lot of potential there. Anyway, let's move on to what is undoubtedly the most important game of the summer. The most... I am going to include the Club World Cup into this actually because there's a European final happening featuring England on Sunday at five o 'clock and it's England versus Spain in the final Euro 2025. 25. Very exciting for the Lioness to get through to their second European final in a row. Of course, they won the last one. So they're still the defending champions, but they are coming up against the Spain side who do look good. Although having said that, the game against Germany, semi-final Spain played against Germany was one of the most boring games I've ever seen in my life.

48:14It was proper Europa League final stuff. It was really, really poor.

48:18Jim Campbell: I mean, the goal that Aitana Bonmati scored was a special moment. There were a couple of good saves as well. I think there were some moments in it. Interestingly, it's Spain's first ever win over Germany. So this sets up a really interesting final for England because I think we've seen of the Spain team in this tournament that they look by far and away the most technically accomplished team in it. They seem like the challenge that everyone else has to figure out. But England have this thing about them where, as we've seen, they've got this kind of incredible tenacity to them, this amazing ability to dig in.

48:50Jim Campbell: They seem fit enough to go the distance without it actually kind of affecting their levels too much as well. There's a lot of youth and a lot of energy in there. It's going to be a really, really interesting one. It's a blessing and a curse though, isn't it, when you describe Lionesses this summer? Because to me, it depends which way you want to look at it. They've started so slowly in three key games now in this tournament. They started slowly against France, didn't get away with it. Started slowly against Sweden and in the semi-final as well against Italy. and got away with those both times.

49:22To me, there's an element to this where they only develop a reputation for being able to dig in and never know when they're beaten because they're up against it so often. And when you're playing against a team that's as good as Spain, and when Spain are at their best, they're frighteningly good.

49:36Jim Campbell: Yeah, and they control the game so well. It's the old saying, isn't it? You know, you dance with the devil for long enough, he's going to follow you home, right? And it depends how many more times England can go back to the world. because I think if they go against Sweden, they were 2-0 down, right? If you go up against Spain in the final and you're 2-0 down after half an hour, you'd be a very brave person to back them to lift the trophy. I mean, it's just a completely different kettle of fish. Absolutely. It's a different level of team to come from behind against. I just think Spain are so far and away better than any other team on so many levels, on an individual level, on a collective level.

50:08I watched the best of highlights of them and I think it's before the semi, it's frightening. Yeah, it's brilliant. It's just the identity they've got. They're so clear in the way they play and Spain are like this across all of their teams. It doesn't care if it's the men's or the women's team, if it's the full team. They like to have a clear identity of how they play. And in Bon Matty, I think you've got somebody who's also just a better player than anybody else. I think her level is so, so high compared to anybody else. And I think for England, it is a case, I think the big question is, do you make those changes and start Aguimang, start Kelly?

50:44That's going to be the big thing for them to look at, I think, for this game. I don't think Vigman will do that I think she'll stick with it I mean she may not be able to start Lauren James because she came off of an injury and is still nursing it I think looks like she's got a problem with her ankle but to me I feel like the type of character Vigman seems to be I think she'll bring Kelly and bring Adjuman on later than we'd like which seems to have been the case it doesn't seem to make any difference but every time I've seen them in this tournament I've been crying out for them to bring them on

51:11Jim Campbell: Maybe you get an extra 10 minutes for Spain Yeah maybe maybe maybe they won't keep it till the 77th minute like I did last time. But speaking of Bon Matty, by the way, some stories, she obviously the current Ballon d 'Or holder scored the winner against Germany on Wednesday, as Jim mentioned. She was in the hospital with viral meningitis, I think three days before the tournament started. And she's still being a standout player and still going to have a massive effect on the final, you'd expect. Couldn't be more poised this game, really. I mean, England never know the beat and Spain are a good team.

51:39England and Spain played each other twice in the Nations League this year. England won 1-1-0 and Spain won the other 1-2-1. so it's really poised I was just desperate for England to start well I know they knocked over Netherlands as a reaction to that France game and with respect to Wales they weren't really at the same level other than that you're watching the game and you're frightened for the first half an hour because they don't seem to be up and running they just don't have the confidence what they used to have do you reckon that's what it is? I wonder if it was too many I know the start of the tournament the build wasn't exactly ideal they had a few things different going on injuries and pull outs obviously but I wonder if it's that still lingering as well but they just I don't know they don't have that confidence and assurance that they usually have about them.

52:18The ability to control a game with ease, what they used to have. And they just, yeah, they just look a bit out of character. I think this time. And then I don't think it's, you know, sometimes people think, Oh, it's destiny there. You know, they're getting through and stuff like that. I don't know. It doesn't really feel like that. It just feels like a set up for a Spain victory. It hasn't been like that for the men's team, has it? Despite them getting to finals. we're excited for it. It's a Sunday, I'm tea time tree. I can't wait for the game. Hopefully that the girls can do the business again.

52:43so that'll be something to look forward to Upfront, our sister show up front have been covering the Euros every step of the way and they'll be doing their preview of the final on Saturday with a very special guest former England goalkeeper and current BBC co-commentator Rachel Brown-Finish Make sure you check that out Search Upfront wherever you get your podcasts to catch that Hit that subscribe or follow button as well to make sure you never miss an episode from Rachel and Chloe because they are brilliant and we can't wait to hear what they say in their preview on Saturday Alright, that's it from us Thanks for listening to the Football Ramble part of the Acast Creator Network.

53:14Myself, Pete and Jim will be back on Monday. Have a lovely weekend. Enjoy yourself, whatever you're doing. Thank you very much, Jim. Thank you. It's goodbye from David. Thank you. Goodbye. It's goodbye from me as well.

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