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3:40Yeah, and I wonder if he's, because he's been more central, you know, because he's had to be, that he's brought a bit more out of those players as well. I think Kevin Sharada is someone who has all the tools but often looks quite rubbish. And the fact that he, no, no, because his end product is genuinely terrible. Like, I know they beat West Ham. Did he not wait for Mahmoud Dash really to move out of the way? He was like, well, that was a bit of luck. There was a bit of that. Actually, quite a poor finish, really. Because I think everyone thought he did a sort of a canoe or whatever, just sat the keeper down and slide in.

4:12The keeper sat down and he went, all right, fine. But I'll tell you what, though, the ball from Damsgaard. Exactly, yeah. Kakar Champions League final. Yes, love it. Not quite a Crespo finish. True, true. Yeah, they all count. It's the work he has to do to get the ball on in the first place, though, isn't it? There's a real elegance to it. We have to give Shard a credit, though, because he did steam steal a goal. I think Rashad is a really good player. I don't think he's rubbish at all. He's good. He said he was rubbish. Yeah, because his end product has been rubbish. Honestly, they should have won the West Ham game by more.

4:43But he kept doing really quite juvenile things. But, you know, he got his goal. And it was a great run. He cuts across Canate really well. And it does also help that just before Mermodash really sits down on the floor, Canate just goes, or just gives up entirely. A man after my own heart, actually. Yeah, it's particularly odd given that Van Dijk is quite far behind him. So clearly whatever they're sort of, like they've got an agreement in that sort of situation where it's like, look, you're younger than me and you're faster than me. So I'll just cover anyone that might be following up. You go after him.

5:15But Canarte just seemed to employ that strategy himself, didn't he? Yeah. Really, maybe his legs were heavy or whatever, but it looked like he was never getting near him. He didn't look particularly interested. So you've mentioned, you've had your Schade Freude, if you like. I'll give you that thank you what about Uatara who's I mean Sky Sports had him down as man of the match he was very very busy great time to score that goal as well yes lovely finish yeah would you call it an unorthodox finish well I mean the ball went in the net so that's quite orthodox the end result was quite orthodox yes I mean yes it would have been very traditional yeah it was a set of events yeah you stuck to the rules and all that kind of thing but no it was I mean I thought it was a lovely finish he's done right there I mean I think you saw he was a player at Bournemouth last season wanted to start and has come in and those kind of performances I think was his second goal maybe for Brentford he's helped by not playing up front because he was when he came over he had to play up front and that's not his position and with Thiago there he scored a hat trick for Bournemouth in that position last season didn't he which was obviously a brilliant performance but possibly kind of mislabeled him a little bit but when you mention these players they're among the goals they're scoring and with you know Wisser and and Mbumo going suddenly we're talking about these players and those players are being replaced it's all sort of beginning to come together a lot of people were worried about Brentford before the season or concerned that they may be in a relegation struggle and you know it's in early days although we're a quarter of the way into the Premier League season now but I just I think you look at Andrews as well I mean he doesn't remind me of Screech from Saved by the Bell but like Hansom Screech yeah yeah yeah a live screech but just to remind anybody who had let's leave it there yeah who didn't know the news that's all and we are a news channel first and foremost about football and saved by the Val but I think you know it's another good performance and what I like though about what Brentford are doing is it's now a difficult place to go again because at the start of the season okay I mean they got that draw against Chelsea but there were there were some alright performances but now with Brentford that feeling is there again, I feel, Jim, in among Brentford.

7:31Obviously, they had under Thomas Frank. Huge boots to fill. The club was shaped around him. And Andrews has gone in there. And it just seems to be, in a tricky sense, with a lot of players coming in and so on, I think it's looking pretty rosy. Yeah, and this is kind of the scenario that I would imagine that all Brentford fans would have hoped for, which is essentially the continuity of the feeling of the club that had been there since they got into the Premier League and that they had under Thomas Frank, and obviously they promoted from within so the suggestion was that they were aiming for that and you know what you're going to get with Brentford, right?

8:03They're going to work you really hard. They're not going to give much away. Oh, the intensity. Yeah, absolutely. They're one of those teams that are a bit of an MOT for you and as you say, as you're kind of hinting at there, they still feel like that and to get to this point so early in the season is impressive. It really, really is. Andrews was the biggest unknown, wasn't he? Obviously, there's so much change over the summer. But players come and players go all the time for a club like Brentford. They're used to that. The kind of model is built around it. But the manager is a different scenario altogether.

8:35But it seems to be working really well. And obviously, the set piece kind of situation in the Premier League this season where it's become so sort of in vogue when you look at the long throws as well, they are particularly good at that. So he's kind of added that little cherry on top as well. Yeah. Well, I mean, have you seen, though, that apparently Keith Andrews and former island manager Martin O 'Neill have a bit of beef together. And Andrews, he was hugely critical of Martin O 'Neill when he was island manager from that period in, was it 2013 to 2018? He accused Martin O 'Neill of being too wedded to set pieces.

9:13Yeah. So he's never allowed to use them himself. Well, I mean, perhaps his point was, no, you're too wedded to this and they're not really working that well. Sure. Maybe. Because if they are working well, then all's roadie, right? You're winning games or whatever. But in an interview promoting his new book last week, Martin O 'Neill said, Keith is not my favourite person because he's very critical of me in Ireland. The irony is that Brentford are now using long throws, which is not all that inventive because it's been around for years. But take my irritants aside. He's a young fellow coming into management.

9:42It's a great challenge because he's taking over from a person whose character pervaded the football club. Yeah. It's not quite Lily Allen, but I will take it. Yeah, I think that's summed it up quite well. Martin O 'Neill had a problem with him talking about XG as well. Or just the game in general. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's on a book tour at the moment, so I imagine someone at Penguin would have had some kind of conversation about expected book sales. So there's a reason why we talk about this sort of thing, and there's a reason why he's doing a lot of interviews at the moment. We're talking about the future, aren't we, really?

10:17Oh, we are. We're always talking about the future. But I mean, Liverpool, just massive drop-off in quality at full-back, it seems. And we've been talking about this all season, really. But, you know, old Donny knows nothing about football despite having watched it for 30-odd years. It's all coming up. Pete Donaldson. May have a Virgil van Vendetta against a certain footballer. But they're really exposing him. And he just spends all of his time shouting at Kirk has to get in position. and he shouldn't have to marshal defence to that degree. People should kind of know how to play a little bit of football here and there.

10:52I love it. To defend. But he did look particularly out of sorts yesterday. But it's not his fault. It's just not his fault at the moment. Is it not? You know what I think? He's creaky. When he gave away that penalty, that wasn't his fault. He's creaky. He showed it in a couple of matches at the start of the season. That's why I made a comment. But anybody watching that football is that he's lost a couple of yards and therefore he needs to be protected a little bit more. he's not getting the protection and he's spending so much time having to marshal and tell defenders how to defend properly. It's not his responsibility.

11:23I do like it, Peter, that you mentioned once that, so a couple of shouts you made, Manchester United should play friendlies when other teams are playing in Europe and so on. And we were like, well, that's ridiculous. That's happening. They're exploring it. Excellent. You mentioned Virgil van Dijk. He's on the way. People are like, hang on a minute. Showing signs. My unholy trifos. Watch out. David Raya. David Raya. Yeah, I've been critical of Raya. He's doing okay so far, but Jim, I'm telling you. You could be the man to undo the poison. I am the Japanese knotweed for form. I'll get you eventually.

11:52Maybe you don't just look like a magician. Yes. You are some sort of sorcerer. Made me in a rotten apple. It wasn't a rotten apple. She wasn't a magician. She was a witch. We're all... Snow White. Yes, okay. Was it Snow White? Yes. And it wasn't like a rotten apple. It was a poisoned apple. Yeah, it's delicious. Rotten apple would have been fine. Yeah. It might have a little bit of sick. Slightly frebid. Yeah, it's a different fairy tale, isn't it? what's wrong with that Dickie Tommy? Yeah, yeah. But she'll be out. She'll be out. She'll be out in a minute. She'll just finish this whole thing. Snosh-eyed.

12:24You were going to say something, Yeah, I mean, I think you're right on both full-backs because the first goal comes from Connor Bradley just kind of slightly incompetently putting the ball out for a throw just by miscontrolling it. And I thought, you know, I think we all thought when Connor Bradley broke through. That's a touch-hash, is it? You're not giving away a penalty. No, but it is a really... Led to the goal, didn't it? Yeah, well, indeed. But it comes from a moment of miscontrol, which is really basic sloppy stuff. And of course, that's not to say that this is completely indicative of his ability as a whole, but I think we all thought this is a guy who's actually going to push Trent Alexander-Arnold even if he stays at Liverpool.

13:02Well, when he came in against Real Madrid at Anfield, he was absolutely brilliant. He was, but this season he's been okay, really. And that's obviously been the case with Kerkers as well, who certainly has some performances that are probably less than okay. and I find the Van Dijk penalty so interesting particularly Slott's reaction to it saying it's soft and this, that and the other but it's on the line, I think we can all see that and I think possibly from Slott's perspective he thinks that's an annoying penalty to give away because he's not meant to kick him but he has kicked him because he didn't mean to do that you can't discount it and perhaps Slott isn't saying that of course but it feels to me like there's a bit of disbelief towards Van Dijk making a mistake like that that has led to Slott kind of viewing it in that manner well some of his post-match comments were quite intriguing he said that teams have a certain playing style against us which is a very good strategy to play cheers he said this after every defeat well after the Manchester United game he seemed to be quite put out that they well they keep trying to beat us yeah exactly that they were playing in a certain style and we're scoring orthodox goals I can understand why he found that odd though yeah Yeah, good example, actually.

14:12Within his rights to think that. Who was that? That was them, wasn't it? But when they beat or battered Eintracht Frankfurt away from home in the Champions League, didn't he say something like, well, you know, this was a team who tried to play football and tried to press us. And I was a bit like, right. Yeah, it wasn't quite that explicit. But it definitely touched on the fact that, look, when teams play a certain way against us, we prefer it, which is fine. Don't say it out loud. But it's a bit Barcelona purist. but when Barcelona would play teams away in the Champions League or whatever and the team would defend for their lives and just make it difficult and try and rough them up and all that kind of stuff they'd be like well what's the point this team doesn't play football and it was all this you know absolute nonsense yeah exactly it's just like oh piss off there's a thousand and one ways to skin a cat I do not think he's saying it he's teetering on the edge of that yeah but I think that's his bluntness I think he's talking about why Liverpool lose the game and why they win the Frankfurt game and he's just being probably a bit too honest about it I don't think he's been...

15:10Well, he's been analytical, isn't he? Yeah, yeah. All right, all right. He's being too honest for his own good. He only wants to play matches in the Champions League. And so next week, they've got Real Madrid. I hope Vinny and Mbappe aren't doing pre-match interviews because that saliva is going to be an electrical risk, isn't it? It really is, yeah. Well, Vinny Jr. might storm off again. But Jude Bellingham's got the bit between his teeth. But look, Liverpool, they've lost four league games in a row now. That's as many as they lost last season. And yes, as you said with Slott, he said about that certain playing style, we haven't found an answer to that yet.

15:38so okay maybe I'm being a touch harsh on him but it's you look at Liverpool now we've been saying this for a while the performances for the first however many games of the season didn't convince the results were there but it didn't convince and now we're seeing that come home to roost there are problems and it wouldn't be the first time a Premier League winning manager struggled you know good in the first season struggled in the second season yeah after winning it though I mean that's a yeah well it would happen I mean Conte that's a massive caveat Ancelotti but that's often the thing though Ancelotti defending a title is harder than winning the first one.

16:10And I appreciate you might think I'm just listing Chelsea managers now, but you know, Ranieri as well. I don't think you can get Ranieri in there. Why not? Because it's a very different situation, isn't it? It's a very different situation, but what I'm saying is nobody is therefore immune to a bad season after winning the title. I don't think anyone's done it like this, though. I don't think anyone has spent 400 million after having what looked a very coherent, very settled structure. Yeah, I think this is a more specific situation, But going in after Klopp, we thought, well, this is the greatest, you know, transfer of managerial power in perhaps Premier League history.

16:46Yeah, like since Bob Paisley, people were saying, understandably as well. Indeed, yeah. It's a bit of a perfect storm at the moment, isn't it? Because obviously we can all see that they're trying to kind of fit new players into a little bit of a new system. Very, very good new players in most cases. You've got the situation where Kerkhez is struggling, which wasn't really expected. perhaps Frimpong maybe hasn't had the impact you'd expect as well and because they've lost some games we're seeing what happened with Man City last season happen now which is where teams think these are vulnerable they're not that good let's go at them and that fear factor isn't there and it's so interesting to see it manifest itself like that teams are just having a go at them you saw it on the Brentford bench Mikel Antonio was dressed like a Le Bubu he was just sat there going yeah I don't care I'm training with Brentford I'm a free agent come and get me I'm a little toy in the toy shop come and get me Liverpool Yeah, another man who Martin and I had a problem with the other night, the Europa League coverage.

17:39But yeah, they're soft at the core, which seems remarkable considering the players that they have at the core. But they are. But they're not really at the core, are they? When you think of that strength. Well, in terms of we've seen how effective the two centre-halves, in particular Van Dijk, have been. I understand he's not a young man in football as he is anymore. He's never been pacey though, has he? No, he's had pace before. He's still playing international football as well. Normally people do retire from that. He's just saying he's exhausted. Give him a break. What I mean with the pace thing is that he's not someone who's kind of bombing up and down the pitch at any point, is he?

18:18Under Klopp they played a high line and part of that was because Van Dijk could recover. But it's the midfield. That midfield, and he's brought on Alexis McAllister, I appreciate, but the midfield three of Sir Bozlai, McAllister and Gravenbirch, and Gravenbirch is out at the moment. that midfield three was so solid last season. Talk about the best midfields in the Premier League, much as made of the three at Newcastle. Tonali, Guimaraes and Joel Indon. You think, bloody hell, that is tough, but it's got creativity. It's got pretty much everything you want in a midfield. One of Liverpool's strengths last season was the midfield.

18:49Of course, it was the brilliance of Salah as well. That midfield, he's now bringing in his own ideas and Wurtz just, they can't fit him in there yet. And of course, yes, it could click, but I just think he's sort of broken up what was a winning sort of not a winning team but tactically he's now trying to put his stamp on this team it's not happening and Mo Salah Jim I know he scored a great goal but he's not the player at all that he was last year no that goal was proper like still got it energy wasn't it because he'd had a he'd had a frustrating game I think you're saying it to himself more than anybody gave the ball away a lot just didn't look like the player that you know we know that he can be on his day and clearly there's a lot of frustration going on there.

19:33There was a strange thing last week where he took all mentions of Liverpool out of his social media stuff, which suggests that there's some mental turmoil going on there. Very like, you okay, hun, kind of thing. Snags. Yeah, and it's just a lot of chaos all at once. I think it's inevitable that these new signings will come good. Whether that will even be this season or not is kind of hard to say. All at Liverpool. Well, I just think surely with the amount of talent that there is in there, finding the balance is going to be a real challenge and maybe somebody will have to be sacrificed. Perhaps that even will be Salah.

20:13But yeah, right now it's kind of hard to fathom how much it's this much of a mess. None of it seems to fit together at all, does it? It looks like a really imbalanced team suddenly. Whereas before we're thinking, wow, this is actually a wealth of options. But it's turning out to be the opposite of that. Yeah, all the problems seem superficial to the point where it's all those new players coming in and having to find space for them and also turfing out established players. Luke mentioned it on the show on Friday, I think. There's no reason for Kyrkos to be starting over Andy Robertson. I know Robertson wasn't great and has been on the way, but he's better than a kid who looks very lost right now.

20:53at the same time I appreciate it's harder to do this but I wondered if maybe during this run he was going to earn the side of caution and play say two holding midfielders, doesn't help that Endo and Gravenberg are out so that's not the case but McAllister can sit pretty well, Jones is quite a smart player tell them to be a bit more restrictive and you know Soboslai has been their best player this season, ask him to do something a bit different I think there are other issues as well like Mabinac really is such a downgrade on Alisson Alisson would have saved Mbomo's opener against Manchester United he would have done much better for the Shada goal yeah that's a really good point that's a massive massive loss he was their best player until he got injured yeah yeah but that was again that shows you yeah obviously but you know he's still one of your players you're allowed to rely on him sure but when you take a step back there's an element of like pimp your ride to this it's really well intentioned the recruitment and the players they've brought in but it's like is the best thing for a university student going from job to like lectures to be a veterinarian is the best thing for them to have a fucking fish tank in the boot.

21:53No. Exhibit says yes. But there is a little bit of that where it's like, did you really need all these players? Even signing Ekotike and the start he had, and then having him playing second fiddle to Izak, that feels the wrong way around on a number of fronts. Not least because like, let Izak kind of go in the slipstream of Ekotike, who has started so well. Well, I thought that when that whole saga was going on, they were going to have to pay that amount of money. I was thinking to myself, lads, I think you're all right. It was almost like a point of pride. It was like, we've got this fault, we can't back out.

22:27It's like a really British thing to do. I've taken the jeans to the till and they're 110 quid. It's still a market opportunity, I suppose. It's not a sale item. This all leaves us to say, Jim, as Gary Neville said on the weekend, the title is now Arsenal's to lose. Yeah, that's very Gary Neville to say, isn't it? Oh, Jim, come on. No, no, no. come on Jim I agree with him you can't you can't just brush that aside this is an enormous opportunity huge opportunity take your shirt off Jim take your shirt off I know the tone of Neville I don't trust him League table no the league table is being very clear about Arsenal's chances at the moment but there are there are 29 games to go here we go so look I obviously think they're in a brilliant position I want them to win the league I think this is probably the best opportunity under Rico Larteta at the moment, even given what's happened in the last three seasons, because they look so solid.

23:28One shot conceded on target in October. That is absolutely insane, isn't it? Fulham was so close to doubling that statistic. There was a cross that I thought would have counted, I think, against Fulham. Yeah, they didn't count. Did that one shot come yesterday? Was that in Tetia? I it might have done actually so before yesterday it might well have done yeah do we need a dubious shots on goal panel obviously you know it's tempered with some interesting news celebrated Saliba and Bryce came off injured yesterday and there is talk that there might be some sort of curse on David Rea that could derail that could derail at any point Peter that sort of thing is quite portent I hear yeah indeed if Arsenal let's say like around a sort of Christmas period.

24:17They're 12 points clear at the top. Yeah. What are you saying? What are you thinking? I think they'll probably get over the line, to be honest, because they don't, like they said, they're just miserly at the back. I think that that... If they don't do it this season, it'll be even more delicious than the rest of us. Did they get the cheat codes that the trend of set pieces and whatnot and how robust you have to be would be in effect from this season? Yeah, they got it really early. Because everyone, you know, you spend 400 million, you're still like, shit, the ball's in the air. What do we do now?

24:44I love it. I absolutely love it. It's about time that this sort of stuff started happening. By the way, we've got to mention that Eberici is a goal. Yeah. I mean, it felt... Paolo Di Canio-esque. It felt inevitable, didn't it? That it was going to happen against his old club. But do you know what, though? Again, 1-0 against Crystal Palace at home. I said this when they beat Fulham 1-0 at Craven Cottage. I get not hugely convinced, but they do enough. And I think a combination of being very convincing and sort of flexing or whatever, and then just doing enough. I think that should be enough, the early signs are suggesting.

25:21There is a sense, isn't there, that there's more to come from an attacking sense. But I think actually you have to look at the challenge that Crystal Palace pose you. They're so, so well organised. They play with three at the back as well, so that cut off a lot of the passing lane that you'd expect to be there. At the game, I was thinking, they're doubling up on Saka quite effectively, who had a quiet game, apparently had been ill all week, which kind of made sense after watching his performance. You also think, well, there's very clearly three centre-backs there. The structure is quite clear.

25:48We should have an extra man somewhere, but we don't. How are Palace doing this? They're very, very organised, and they just kind of shuffle you around where they want you. And actually, I was really impressed by this win. There's been a lot of games like this where Arsenal, the Fulham game included, where you think, actually, it feels like they should have been able to craft a little bit more. But in this one, I thought, actually, this was a game you really had to fight to win and they did that and they worked so hard Arsenal so so hard if they can keep that up do you have a new appreciation for A.K.

26:20Lanaka now I do yeah I do that's quite an interesting point because there wasn't much turnover from that team was there that Crystal Palace put out I mean they should have batted them yeah but isn't that quite a good example of I suppose they went on that amazing run they haven't won in four now they've have hit their wall haven't they because obviously Glasner has the players that he trusts but he feels he has to stick with them over others Vish are Arsenal going to win the league? Yeah Yes PT? Well I mean I don't think I predicted them to win but I didn't predict Liverpool to be this well Man City dropping points as well this has been another thing so plays into all of this doesn't it?

27:09It plays into my hands. All of it is my hands. When rivals dropped points last season, Arsenal were really bad at capitalising on that. And that's become a strength this season. Yeah, which is why I think this conservative kind of Arsenal, you know, kind of performances, when you think to yourself, right, go on, batter Palace. Well, actually, Arteta, he's thinking about it. And he thinks, you know what, we've got enough. And time will tell whether that will be the case. but what an opportunity they have. Blimey. Maybe Bournemouth will do a Leicester City and surprise everybody. But that was probably the last time when Arsenal had a really great opportunity to win the league.

27:49Ten years ago, you'd say. They were still ten points off it by the end. You're thinking about when they beat Leicester. I think Welbeck scores a winner, doesn't it? They were the only team to beat them twice in that season. Yeah, well done. You won the popular vote. Right, massive result for Arsenal. Of course, that was four points clear at the top of the league. Now, coming up after this, Wolves' nightmares continue and Sunderland are on the march.

28:23I'm just watching Netflix or whatever, and then all of a sudden I just feel this, I look up, it's Mikael. He goes, did you hear the stadium announcement, how they did the goal? Yeah, yeah, it was fun, it was fun. Yes, but how fun. Did it make a difference? and I went yeah I think so he goes my idea welcome back to the football ramble everybody Roman Kemp they're telling a story about Mikel Arteta interrupting him on a plane well the attention to detail is glorious that's why I fly economy that's can't nepo babies and weirdos yeah yeah yeah is he a nepo baby Roman Kemp yeah yeah it's Martin Kemp from Spandau Ballet slash the craze movie oh yeah he's alive though by the way thanks to friend of the ramble Josh for sending us that clip on discord you can become a friend of the ramble too for just$5 a month search patreon.com forward slash football ramble to get involved it's a marvellous thing we love you all but we love you even more if you do that come and get involved on the discord chat which has been popping off after that weekend's football and Sunderland Pete Donaldson are up to fourth they beat Chelsea 2-1 at Stamford Bridge a great performance from those Mackhams yeah I mean David Cartlidge I mean this is where the rubber hits the road for proper journalists because I did not see that because he's a proper journalist and I did I predicted them to get relegated yeah alright a very southern proper journalist yeah you've got one eye on the cricket it's fine but Cartliffe saying that you know they were going to be he was confident wasn't he I did not see this comment I mean confident yeah the proper I think any sort of championship team going up you can always get hit on the break by them for the odd couple of goals but the way they're able to sort of absorb pressure for most of games is just incredible.

30:09It's, if they're still like top six by like Christmas, well, if they're top six, because I looked like which teams have like sunk like a stone from a Christmas position and the worst was Norwich. They were seventh in the Premier League on Christmas Day in 1994 and they went down. Oh yeah. Right, but they lost to Spurs on Boxing Day and Nottingham Forest on the 27th. what a fucking piece of fixer congestion that is there was too much football in the 90s too much football in the 90s thank goodness we've rode back on it honestly the only kind of they're going to do it they're just going to stay up no Siddiqui's going to be a big loss when AFCON comes around but that's the only one they're going to be missing so if they can stay fit oh man by the way when you were saying about teams dropping off I mean I thought that you might mention Hull City because Sunderland have made the best start to a season by a promoted side since Phil Brown's Hull City in 2007 17 points was that the telling off season yeah I think that was the downfall wasn't it yeah they started telling them off I think that was when it started to sort of go a bit downhill and they just survived relegation at the end of the season but yeah I think one of the pundits on match of the day described Sunderland's performance it was a great performance they were in control without the ball fish yeah and you saw that the way what Pete's talking about there is absorbing that pressure very comfortable in defence with big Dan Ballard back there.

31:33And when they broke, they were away. It was... When people talk about teams and they say, well, they like to hit teams on the break. Some teams it's kind of like, well, that's their only option just because they're pinned back. With Sunderland, it really feels like a trap. And when they broke, it was like, oh, this is really well coordinated and well organised. There's a good view of a few of their attacks from the camera, basically, behind Chelsea's goal. And there were two moments that didn't actually lead to goals, but it was also in their winner as well. But as soon as they win the ball, everyone starts moving.

32:15And sometimes, Manchin United have tried to do this earlier this season and found themselves massively out of position. Because you end up making the play big if you don't get it right. but you need to trust that everyone does their part because it might only be three or four passes but the first one is the the most difficult one because it's the one in the most pressure often and the way they seem to play is like it happens to fall to like ballard who can play it to granite jacker who can then play that raking ball to the winger who squares it and that's not chance I know it feels like it's chance because it comes through and it happens so quickly, but it comes through loads of pressure.

32:55But it also comes from just trusting Brian Robbie knowing, I've got to set off now. Yeah. And that goal to win it was so great because there's a bit of patience there as well at the end. Yes. Brian Robbie's there and he's waiting for someone to come. Because he knows they are. Yeah, exactly. And if they didn't come it'd be like that dog who waited for his owner. Greyfriars Robbie. be, wouldn't it? Ladies and gentlemen. I wrote that down yesterday at 11pm after the last one. Please don't drop the Sunderland chat, I've got a joke. Peter, you're right, he is a proper journalist. He is. And a gagsman.

33:36Wine at midnight on a Sunday, there's a journalist. There's a proper journalist. Genuinely, that was excellent. Old midnight. Yeah, exactly. Old midnight. Exactly, yeah. So, yeah. No, I agree with what you're saying. Go actually What time is it? Talby's winner as well Yeah A lovely finish Composed So composed You forgot about that Glorious I mean There were When he put Ball in the net There were three Sunderland players In the Chelsea box Yeah Because Brobby had done Like essentially Such effective work At what he was doing He had multiple options So strong Lovely to hear his name Yeah and also Just because his name Is Brian Brobby Yes The Chelsea midfield Is you know Corsedo known For his athleticism and so on.

34:18He didn't get back. I think they just forgot about how Sunderland had been playing the whole game. It's like last season's Chelsea played. Maybe it was something to do with the clocks changing. Maybe. I think, I think that with the newly promoted side, as much as has been made, and we'll talk about Burnley in just a moment, about how well they've done this season. But again, that change of style of football that you have to do going up from the championship into the Premier League where you're not going to win most weeks well unless you're Sunderland you're not going to have it all your own way and I think teams would almost kind of try and be too ideological or whatever word you want to use and it'd be like no you just can't quite do that because you're trying to do that against better teams and it doesn't work teams then would kind of go okay well we'll sort of hit teams on the break because that's all we've kind of got because we're going to be pinned back but then hopefully at times we might be I think the managers of Libris has looked at this and gone right well we know the pattern here we know what's going to happen so how then do we make that into our strength and as I say in control without the ball that's exactly what they did and it's working to an absolute T Do you think maybe the sort of tactical shift that we've been talking about all season with kind of set pieces and long throws and the ball being in the air a little bit more suits kind of generally speaking teams coming up now Well look at Leeds against West Ham was it two corners?

35:39Yeah I mean West Ham have been doing that since the start of the season to be fair To be fair if you're not utilising your corners The X-D for corners against West Ham specifically must be very high. I mean, Bournemouth scored directly from a corner this week, didn't they? Everyone's probably looking at West Ham going, yeah. Just cut out the middle man. Charlie Adams going, if I was only still playing, he would have scored a hat from corners or something. Do you think when you watch Sunderland, though, it feels a bit more... I'm not to shit on anyone who's using set pieces, but it feels a bit more, from want of a better word, organic.

36:14Yeah, I know what you mean. despite the fact that since the start of the summer they've signed 15 players and you know a couple of them were getting people on full time deals having had them on loan last season but they're consistently having like seven new signings you know we talk about the problems that Liverpool have getting these new signings into their system well like some Reggie Lebris has done a brilliant job incorporating those in and also like so for example Chris Reg I appreciate he's only 18 but he comes on yesterday I think he comes on for Enzo Le Fay and you know plays very well he played 42 games last season so he knows how to play in that system and there doesn't seem to be this you know bit of a I suppose an awkwardness about you know often it's the players who get you there that see very little action in the Premier League because you need to especially now you need to step up but everyone seems to be in it his man management must be impeccable but also tactically he's done an incredible job For a guy who's not been a number one particularly I mean Lorioni was there who was the B coach for many, many years.

37:15He's been in football for years and years of course as well but still relatively inexperienced you might say at the top level as a number one. But it's working like a charm. And I'll tell you something Mark Giu up front for Chelsea will be thinking why did you have to recall me? That's a weird situation wasn't it? Well yeah obviously started and Chelsea look very blunt I mean I know Garnett actually scored his first goal Keeper might have done a bit better. Liam De Lappe could return soon and my goodness they could do with a little bit more up there. I mean, they've won four in a row going into this one, but I do think that...

37:49It still feels like a work in progress, doesn't it? It does. That's the nature of the high turnover that they have with transfers, which seem... The transfer market seems almost unrelated to the team sometimes, doesn't it? So you end up with a lot of churn. And as I say, yeah, they might not look that convincing in the Premier League. They'll still probably finish in the top five and win the Champions League this season, as is the Chelsea kind of way. Wolves, two Burnley three gentlemen Wolves winless in nine games it's the first time Burnley had managed back-to-back wins in the Premier League for over three years a great win for them what a way to do it as well Foster with the 95th minute winner Theo Walcott on Match of the Day 2 suggested that he did a Mesut Ozil where he kicks the ball into the ground I thought that was quite generous but either way I thought it was a lovely finish whatever he meant to do just sort of squirming it in the back of the net oh man the scenes of celebration that away and they can't get enough of it no I mean that's Burnley's third win as well and like you know it's just a massive effort from them and I'm really thrilled for Scott Parker actually he was talking a lot about the resilience of the group and how they're a really sort of together group of players and that sounds like it should be a minimum requirement for sort of any team in a team sport but we all know that that's often not the case and I really hope that Burnley can kind of kick on and keep getting these wins because Scott Parker has worked so, so hard and has had a lot of setbacks and has been really successful in getting teams promoted.

39:16And it seems like he's finding his feet at this level now, which is brilliant, because I think we all wondered if he'd be able to do that, if he might become one of those kind of almost yo-yo managers. But the resilience of them to win this game, having led quite comfortably as well, and then let Wolves back into it, it's really, really impressive. And ZM Fleming's first goal in particular, it was a little bit like, a not quite as good version of Ballon d 'Or nominee Scotta McTominay's goal for Napoli this weekend which I urge you to seek out if you've not seen it but similar brilliantly kind of taken first time finish but that was really something special it was it really was a gorgeous goal yeah a lot of booing from the Wolves fans throughout the game they want the pint they want to go to the pub and they can't they haven't well I mean Vito Pereira is gasping for a pint he definitely had a drink not a pint though I think it was it was in a shorter glass you can fill it up all the way yeah but you know the funny thing is they showed a bit getting themselves back into it before half time and suddenly the fans are like okay fair enough you're showing something and I thought the players if you saw them they'd seem to respond to the boos the way they're trying to gee the crowd up and so you see it and then they attack in that second half and even after they go 3-2 down Dubravka pulls out That amazing save.

40:38Unbelievable save. Yeah. I mean, one might argue was his footing, you know, does he have to make that save because maybe he didn't sweat his feet? Whatever it is, it's a great save without taking anything away from him. And they lose the game and, oh, it's a damning defeat. Yeah. It's such a damning defeat. It's the manner of it, isn't it? Oh, but that had to be three points. A draw wasn't even good enough. It had to be three points. Well, that's how it ended up being no points, isn't it? Because they weren't essentially, like, they weren't trying to settle for that draw, understandably. They were battering them in the second half.

41:08And Vita Pereira said, you know, obviously he had that far discussion. I mean, you saw, there was a couple of, a bit of footage from people's mobile phones in the crowd, from where they were sat, which was, you know, face on to the manager and the players. And I tell you, a lot of V signs, a lot of middle figures, like those fans were very unhappy. Vita Pereira. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And Pereira is furious, you know, smacking his fist off his other hand. And saying, we're trying. And then, you know, chance of sacked in the morning. You've sold the team. Now sell the club to the owners and the chairman and so on.

41:41Sour's out back arguing with a bald man by his car. Not even in the team. Not even in the team. Still just getting pelters. Fiery, fiery scenes at the end of the game. It was, yeah. And a lot of booing throughout the game. Ah, that, honestly. That's, I mean, they can't wait for the next game now because that was such a sickening defeat. It's like Fulham, Wolves, they're the ones who are really circling the Sunderland place that has been absolutely stolen from them. Yeah. And who do they have both in the league next? Each other. Oh. Well, when did we lose? I still have bad memories of Wolves battering full and full for one last season when they were in a poor situation.

42:22So let's hope not for that. But yeah, Wolves, you've got to worry now. I know that Vita Pereira signed a new contract, Vish, recently. But right now, winless in nine games, having been beaten by Burnley there at home. They've had winnable games. This is really, really bad. Right now, they are currently six points from safety and it's Fulham who are in 17th. And Fulham, yes, they've only won two games out of nine and lost five. I still, and they've lost four on the bounce. I still don't really worry about Fulham. We're talking maybe December, see what's going on. I still think Fulham have got enough and I don't think the performances have been that bad.

43:01Not as bad as this. Yeah, Burnley already eight points above Wolves. My goodness. Yeah, I mean, do you remember a couple of years, well, a few years ago now, so not Southampton's last relegation, but the relegation before that, where they basically telegraphed it by signing championship players. Yes. Because they were looking to cut costs and that was one of the ways of doing it. So Wolves have been cutting costs for a couple of years now. And you can see it in their transfer dealings. I mean, you know, like the chart of you've sold the team now, sell the club is absolutely spot on. Like Fossen Group have basically come in and not come in, but like they've tried to asset strip a little bit because they want to make some money back without actually investing in the team.

43:47So you end up in this situation where it's like, you know, yeah, as you said, like the players responded and the players are trying. They're just not good enough. Yeah. And that's what Pereira was trying to say to the fans. and you know they make signings like for lopez who like by all accounts um is really talented but just sits on the bench um i think they've had four captains this season as well like i mean that's really that is particularly ridiculous when you're called wolves right who obviously yeah like famously respond to an alpha and have a pack leader you can't keep changing that i think they famously do but it's actually incorrect I think the man who came up with that was mistaken and it's basically created an entire generation of grifters online to tell us that we're not being manly enough I always thought Jim was a grifter an online grifter I have no idea you'd realise speaking of grifters and people who own football clubs they've already played the three promoted sides this season and been beaten by all of them And if that isn't a direct kind of like, yeah, you're getting relegated, that kind of form.

44:53Which is why the next game against Fulham is so big because like I say, I'm still confident Fulham won't even be in a relegation scrap, let alone go down. I agree with you. Yeah. But again, that idea of too good to go down, if this carries on, then you kind of go, okay guys, you're going to have to win a game and try and prove me right at some point. But away to Craven Cottage on, you know I'm pretty sure it's next weekend that's now a huge game you know lose that and again you are at least eight points from safety depending on what Burnley going to do you'll be a big cottage pie I hope so yeah is wolf is wolf a tasty meat I don't know I don't think you never see a fat wolf do you as an alpha I only eat other alpha animals and yeah it's delicious alfalfa sprouts are you like Joe Rogan It takes of your own victory.

45:49Oh, I see. All right, coming up after this, everybody, the longest journey in English league football history and the Scottish Cup is back.

46:09Peter, what's that you've got bulging away in your hand? Steady, steady now. I've got an email. Oh, thank goodness for that. That's all right with you. And it's from Mark Andrews, who says, lads, can we have a moment celebration for Jamie Curiton? Oh. Probably the first moment celebration he's had in his grey youth test. Oh, good player, Jamie Curiton. He's now scored in all ten divisions of the English Football Pyramid. Oh, what a man. He's 50, FFS. Yeah, he scored for Kings Park this weekend, and it was a lovely half-vollied whack into the corner, looping over the goalkeeper on some 4G, it looked like.

46:44He looks amazing for 50. he does understandably given that he's still a professional athlete yeah what a man what an did you say there was one comment from a very very happy and joyful individual who said can't agree with this give the young lads a game yeah I saw that that's incredible give the young lads a game brilliant for Kings Park and if and if Curran came through he didn't come through with like 50 year olds playing the team did he that's a really good product yeah and the only reason that he didn't is because all of the really good 50 year olds did the right thing and stepped out of the way that's right yeah yeah yeah step out of the way bed blocking Jamie Curiton we're celebrating him on this show indeed I love the fact though he had a brief stint in South Korea yeah he could have spent some time in another he could have done 11 yeah he could have done 11 leagues instead of hanging around Busan and wherever the hell he was speaking of he was in Busan boy well he's where you go there hey hey speaking of which South Korean things Jesse Lingard came on and scored a couple of goals he's been doing it pretty regularly he's still going is he 2-0 down 2-0 down they were they were in the game I think 4-2 coming on off the bench off the bench getting a couple of goals and then at the end of the game in front of the home faithful doing his little dance and he's deciding when they play their little trumpets love it that's really sad isn't it why he's basically like a walking tiktok now isn't he scoring goals mate yeah and then doing little dances In the unloved care league.

48:15Oh, come on. Right, I'm yours, everybody. I enjoyed it. Now, Jamie Vardy. Because he needed to come on. The elephant loves dancing. Let it dance. I can't believe. You're like that guy who commented about Jamie Curator. That's what you are. No, I'm saying... Lingard's dancing to the fans. They constantly use him on their social media. and his social media now is him looking dead behind the eyes meeting someone and pretending to be happy about it he looked very happy when he was leading the chant with those fans so shut your face is that it? that's a little bit Victor Djokovic but you're in the right area I know he played for England but I'm sure you feel the same way about this you should feel it as a squandered lead stage in his career he should be up there he should be playing for West Ham he's 32 he's made his decision and I think we need to get behind it I hope he's doing really well And he's really happy It sounds like he's It sounds like he's Well it sounds like he's kind of I think when he first started Over there He was a bit like Oh fuck Yeah definitely And now he has kind of went Oh actually it's quite a nice Standard of living I'm not mobbed all the time You know I'm not kind of I think I think he's probably having A nicer time than we think It seems like that You know that baseball team Like Peter Utaka In the second Japanese league You know that A baseball team That do funny dances And they're like Oh you know It's such a great way Of watching It's not It's fucking not.

49:38It's weird. Can I talk about Jamie Vardy? Go on then. You can, yeah. He scored his first goal for Creminezi. And did a backflip. Yeah. It's like with FIFA when they do the wrong celebration. Yeah. That's not... It's like I've seen Alan Shearer do one. Like, what? Is a backflip insulting to those fans in some way? Yeah. He learned it just for that. I didn't miss out on getting the Olympics recently or something. Yeah, it was a one-all draw with Atalanta, yeah. Yeah, is there some folk tale in Atalanta about the backflipping man who came along and stole all the... Is there a backflip for that? Yeah.

50:13Well, anyway. Cremonese's away kit is an absolute disgrace, isn't it? Appalling to look at. A lot of really shit away kits. Man City's away kit was awful. Oh, terrible, yeah. Cremonese have formed for quite colourful and interesting kits. I remember even back in the 90s, they had a multicoloured one. Which Danny Baker wore on Fantasy Football League. Yes, the 90s it was. Yeah, well done. Thank you. Yeah, it's sort of a quite bright red and a horrible grey. A horrible grey. Yeah, that is nasty. Right, this weekend saw the longest journey in English league football history as 185 Truro City fans made the 914 mile trip to Gateshead in the National League.

50:55Truro were 2-0 up at half time. They ended up drawing 2-0. So they didn't lose the game. They could have won it late on but there we are. A point, a point, a point. Tourer fan Max Antcliffe was interviewed about his journey it took him 12 hours and involved three different trains but it did finish with a dinner of sausage and chips out of Wetherspoons in Newcastle lovely all worth it in the end absolutely cider beans you reckon or do you reckon he went just sauces cup of beans I hope there were people just sending things to the table from all over the nation yes that's great I love that Facebook group yeah it's glorious we should do that we should go and get and send and see what people send us the football round ball can you send us something yeah I tell you what though 185 fans like it's not an insignificant number it's not 25 fair play to them going there I mean isn't most kind of trips from that part of the world I just think football you can go to Plymouth but just don't bother going any further I just don't think you should have football teams well the club's shortest I don't know you whistered that into a microphone yeah exactly I don't know what they do down there it's probably hurling or something well the club's shortest away trip this season will be a three constant under language we can keep our language no you don't we barely have Welsh anymore I mean I try I try to I wish the Romans came back your mum is Welsh isn't she so obviously do you think that everyone else should be robbed of their language as well just because you can't have yours what is my language that's the question when I saw that true rough hand going all that way up I did think older man not happy home life but he's a young guy he had an anime girl on his top did he really?

52:33he did yeah I thought wow is English his first language? allow me to save you from yourself as he shouted from the train tis a massive giant metal cart what is this box of moving pictures? it's the sign that tells you where the train's going Peter did you like the fact that a certain betting company we're not going to name them right because they have to pay us for that yeah left£920 behind the bar oh fuck bet fuck bet yeah it was they did yeah yeah which was to I mean, it was a 914 mile trip, but they... I see. An extra six pounds. But they sort of suggest every mile for the trip. Truro City's shortest away trip this season will be a three-hour drive to Yeovildown.

53:12Oh, yeah, of course, yeah. Which is crazy, yeah. I love dedication. I don't know, man. I love the way you've gone, yeah. As in saying, what's the point? Yeah, why don't they just fold? Do you reckon the novelty of this... I stayed quite back Sunderland earlier, it's fine. Didn't call them bin dippers or nothing. Bin dippers. Now they're brave raccoons. They're your team, aren't they? You did say, yeah, it'd be the Newcastle. He corrected to brave raccoons. Brave raccoons of Sunderland. Taking pints. I was going to make a point about... About chicken dippers? No, good, though. Better. Do you reckon the novelty of this trip meant more people travelled to Gateshead than would travel to certain other fixtures?

53:57Quite possibly Yeah Quite possibly It's a celebrity tie It's going to be like That Sex Pistols gig Isn't it Yes exactly Everyone in the town In the future Will say they were there It's like when Harleypool Suddenly find like 7 ,000 fans to go away To somewhere Dressed as Wombles Or other Wimbledon Sometimes problematic stuff Okay Let's move on then Alright What's wrong with Wombles We talk about that After the show Let's talk about The Scottish Ben Dipper's gym There it is again They're quite the opposite Aren't they Are they Yeah they are They tidy up Oh, they put things in bins. No, they use things from the bins.

54:29Yeah, they're resourceful. Yeah, they're bin dippers as well, aren't they? Horrible term. They're in the bin. Why do we keep saying it? I've never heard of it before. Have you not? It's Liverpool and Sunderland, but one team gets... I was saying, you dragged in another side. One team gets upset about it. Right, Scottish Cup. Yeah, let's have a go at them. Yeah. Should be the final about now, shouldn't it? Fewer and fewer people are speaking Gaelic as the years go by in Scotland. The second round of the Scottish Cup happened this weekend. And we have some of our favourites in there, of course. Banks O.D., they went through.

55:10Bonnie Rig Rose. Bonnie Rig Rose Athletic went through. But sadly, we had to say goodbye to Don Donald Bluebell, Jim. And I know you were a fan of the Bluebell. Am I right in thinking that Sean Connery played for Bonnie Rigg Rose? Or is that like a false memory? Come on. Now that's a thing that's done the right. Apparently that is... Right, okay, okay. You'll probably find it on their Wikipedia page. Yes. Still playing it. Yeah, we will. It's going to be like someone else we sadly had to say goodbye to. Jamie Curitan. Yeah. Jamie Curitan and Jamie Bond is doing things in the league. He shouldn't be breaking into a prison.

55:43He should use that and leave that to younger criminals. Well, Sean Connery is... He shouldn't be... He shouldn't have hit that woman. Yes. Yeah, he shouldn't have hit that woman. Correct. Connery was keeping Curitan out the side for some years, but I think he managed to get through. Elsewhere, Anan Athletic won 3-2-8-cloud. The winner was a 90th minute screamer from player manager Wally Gibson. Yes. Yes. Wally. Wally. Come on. Yeah. Is any of this televised, or this is just an episode of The Simpsons? Why are you looking at the producer? Because Scottish. Because he's Scottish. Because he's Scottish.

56:15Because he's Scottish. I used to do this thing at uni where whenever someone would ask for directions... Which went to Edinburgh Uni. No, no, no. Nothing to do with Edinburgh. But whenever... Because I'm so bad with directions. Whenever people would ask for directions... Point at Arthur's seat. Well, no. I'd give them directions. They'd be like, that's totally wrong. And I've realised I've just essentially pointed to the door. So I'd be like, wherever you are at lunch, where's West London? I'd be like, oh, it's that way. Through there and you're off. Just point through the door. Through the door.

56:43Nice. Yeah. And so my impulse there when we were talking about what we were laying into Scottish things was to turn to the only Scottish person in the room. Yeah. I suppose though if you are in a building and they want to go elsewhere the first call is you've got to go through the door. Which was my logic but it was awful yeah. I had people to piss out me out about it all the time. Oh. Well I'm glad you could. It's like when we have food opinions we look at Vish. Yeah. Sort of yeah. Yeah similar. Really. And Vips. There's one over there. The big news in Scotland. He pointed to the door. where's now gentlemen in the Scottish Premiership hearts the magnificent Galgians come on beats Celtic 3-1 8 points clear is theirs to lose indeed indeed is there a curse on their goalkeeper we simply do not know no Brendi must condemn what's Greyfriars Brobberies say do you not think that like Greyfriars Daylight Robbery Jambos they're going to do it honestly there was a my heart supported friends said to me at the start of the season, he was like, he was like, do you know what?

57:45We're in really good shakes. And he said, Rangers are a bit all over the place. And he's like, I'm not really trusting. And he went, oh, and he was kind of obviously a bit of hubris in there and so on. Six pointer. Was Jim. They look so good. They were brilliant against Celtic. They look so well driven. And Derek McInnes, great manager, you know, done well in Scotland previously. He's theirs to lose. What will happen is, my prediction would be is what will happen is as time goes on is will they shit themselves and go oh my goodness is this happening and do they revert to the old Ranieri right one nils lads do you know what I mean but it can happen that is the great example of it but if I mean if they could go on and do this yes it's early days blah de blah de blah but the way I mean Rangers I'd be surprised if Rangers managed to claw anything back on the top two I mean why is this more of a diss on like Celtic than Rangers for me do you know what I mean like Rangers should be competitive but they're not so it feels like Celtic's letting everyone down.

58:43They're only letting themselves and Hibernian down. Let's be clear about that. You're hinting at the fact that Rangers are turning to Celtic and being like, look, do it for Glasgow. Do it for the old firm. I think you're actually fine. Rangers will be looking at hearts and saying, do it for his majesty.

59:02Neither Rangers or Celtic are in a position to do what they used to do which is just buy the best players off the rest. The January transfer window will come around. let's see what Celtic do panic buy Rangers like fund heart so they can keep some of their players but it's mad isn't it so they haven't lost all season and they've got a goal to 15 which is 11 better than Celtic I know I can't stress it off this is they're on the verge it's on it really is on thank you very much for listening to the Football Ramble part of the Acast Creator Network Jim Peet and I are back tomorrow for the mailbag in the meantime check out that brand new YouTube membership that we're offering it's well worth a turn of your bonce there we are thank you Vish thank you thank you Pete goodbye thank you Jim thank you and thank you Derek McInnes

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