

In this episode of the Football Ramble, hosts Pete, Luke, and Jim dive into the latest chaos in the Premier League, highlighted by the sacking of manager Sean Dyche after only 114 days at Nottingham Forest. The episode discusses the implications of this decision, the current state of various football clubs, and the potential new appointments on the horizon.
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Discussion on Nottingham Forest's sacking of Sean Dyche after a short tenure.
“The last bastion of hope is Pete doing his Noddy Holder.”
Exploring the impact of Dyche's brief time at Nottingham Forest and his managerial style.
“what you should say is after an impressive 114 days.”
Analyzing Nottingham Forest's poor performance and attacking inefficiencies.
“And that cuts to the very core of the issue, not just with the appointment of Sean Dyche, but the essence of Sean Dyche as a professional manager, is that he cannot set teams up to attack.”
Comparison of Dyche's management to other managers and the challenges faced.
“and I don't think it is a huge leap to suggest that actually what's happened with Dyche at Forest is similar in spirit to what's happened with Frank at Spurs.”
Discussion on the influence of owner Evangelos Maranakis on managerial decisions.
“So I think he's probably waiting for him to come back with the kind of crossing they were putting in.”
Speculation on Sean Dyche's future and the ongoing issues at Nottingham Forest.
“The one that's most closely related to what he did is George Canning, who was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom for 119 days as a Tory in 1827.”
The hosts discuss Arsenal's current performance and managerial decisions.
“He does have a microphone on the Arsenal show that Jim does.”
The conversation shifts to the potential new managers for various teams, focusing on Vitor Pereira and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
“Neither of you two can look me in the eye here and say you wouldn't be absolutely delighted if Solskjaer wasn't in the job.”
The hosts analyze recent matches, highlighting managerial strategies and potential changes.
“Yeah, are we not coming on to that later?”
A deep dive into Manchester City's recent matches and their implications for the title race.
“He's properly two-footed in a way that you rarely, rarely see.”
The discussion focuses on VAR decisions during matches, particularly concerning Manchester City and Fulham.
“And it was one-off in the contentious decision situation where there was obviously a VAR check on a hair pull from Kenny Tete on Antoine Semenya.”
The hosts discuss the impact of player injuries, particularly focusing on Arsenal's Kai Havertz.
“But it seems that Harlan on the field, he's kind of back a little bit.”
Discussion on Havertz's performance and impacts of injuries on player dynamics.
“And in absence, he's really grown in his reputation.”
Exploration of Burnley's unexpected victory over Crystal Palace and implications for both teams.
“Setbacks here and there always seems to happen.”
Insight into Crystal Palace's current form, management issues, and player losses.
“There's a point at the week, like last night, I was looking ahead to the weekend thinking, oh, what FA Cup games are there?”
Analyzing Burnley’s player quality and their relegation battle while contrasting with defensive weaknesses.
“I mean, the thing about Burnley is, I saw a good amount of this game.”
Discussion on Palace's recruitment strategies and the importance of managerial choices in the Premier League.
“Yeah, I mean, like, if you're Oliver Glasner, it seems like he, I do believe he's wrapped his hand in.”
Critique of Brighton's current performance and analysis of their recent managerial changes.
“Palace are now witnessing at home in the Premier League and they're still eight points off the drop side.”
Comparing the careers of James Milner and Gareth Barry in terms of record appearances and contributions.
In-depth discussion about the impact and legacy of both players in the Premier League context.
“I think you do now you do this season because he does one minute and he goes oh there's another one for the pile but I mean even even when he was at Liverpool he wasn't necessarily starting every game was he?”
Highlighting Emi Martinez's importance to Aston Villa and his reputation as a top goalkeeper.
“He was just like, oh no, yeah, James is probably better at that.”
Discussion of Brighton's struggles this season and the scrutiny faced by their current manager.
“Yeah, and they're not going to get sucked into it because they've got enough points on the board.”
Speculating on the potential return of Roberto De Zerbi to the Premier League and his managerial style.
“to pile into Frank because they'd seen him at Brentford because he was Danish because he had this kind of vibe about him.”
Discussion on football managers with a humorous take on pop punk culture.
“So there was this weird thing that happened sort of 90s, early 2000s of like swing was big for a bit.”
Analyzing Liverpool's impressive home record and recent match performance.
“So elsewhere, Liverpool ended a season-long unbeaten run at home.”
Exploring the turmoil in Tottenham's dressing room and potential managerial changes.
“had grown tired of Thomas Frank's obsession with Arsenal.”
Discussing the implications of Mauricio Pochettino's openness to return to Tottenham.
“I'm surprised they've not got VS Boas taken off his Paris-Dakar rally glasses to get in the hot seat.”
Speculating on Thomas Tuchel's new contract amidst ongoing managerial changes.
“Also, he is an Arsenal fan, which is the last thing they were.”
Brief nostalgic chat about 90s snacks and cultural references.
“I mean, if he wins the World Cup and he thinks this is the best year ever and I want to stay, then fine.”

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0:28Welcome to the Football Ramp brother. More people fired. More people fired, yeah. I felt like Noddy Holder then. Yeah. They should get him to announce every manager sacking. Yeah. It's Christmas! You know, Pete does a famous Noddy Holder impression. It's the only, it's the last bastion. You know, Marcus has got the full kind of territorial coverage of all the impressions. Sure, yeah. The last bastion of hope is Pete doing his Noddy Holder. Yeah, the problem is I'm starting to lose a higher register of my voice. I think I've got polyps or something, so I don't think I'll be able to do it in the future.
0:58Do a he's fired in the style of Noddy Holder. It's Christmas. He's fired! It's not bad, isn't it? Yeah, not bad. And it actually sounded a bit like Sean Dyche because of the aforementioned polyps. I'm fired! I love it if Maranac has actually sacked him like that. Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, after just 114 days in charge, Nottingham Forest has sacked manager Sean Dyche. They're now looking for their fourth manager of the season, which would be a Premier League first. They're breaking barriers. That's some dirty work from Maranakis. Four man to one season. It really, really is, isn't it? I was sad to produce a Rory beforehand as well.
1:33We were talking about it. And I don't think it's absolutely out of the question that if it's still in the balance with three games left and Maranakis thinks that the team needs a boost, he might go five. We want five. We want five. The key thing from his perspective is to not look at himself, right? So everyone is always in those crosshairs. And I don't think you can say just 114 days when it's Maranakis. what you should say is after an impressive 114 days. With the very best win record in recent history, it seems. I think he's got the best win record percentage under Maranakis in the Premier League.
2:10Ange Postacoglu's record in that list, which was included in the infographic I saw, was 0%. They actually styled it as 0.0%. Jim, how do you feel about managers being fired and certainly being announced at that decision at half past midnight? I'm all for it, to be honest. We're all part of this foul jamboree, aren't we? I liked it. I like waking up to it. I mean, my two-year-old son means I'm finding it very difficult to stay awake till the end of the game, midweek. So I wake up and see that news. It's great. I mean, I think you're in a situation where there's two things to talk about here. You're talking about Sean Dyches' proud 114-day legacy in Nottingham Forest, but also them failing to beat bottom-side Wolves last night.
2:54I mean, I almost felt, sorry for Daish last night because even when lots of chances are created, they just couldn't put it in the net, man. I saw a stat this morning that is damning and quite amazing. Last night Nottingham Forest had 10.5 % of the shots they've had this season last night and they couldn't score. They had 35 shots last night. Unbelievable. There was one amazing breakaway where they had six on one. It was incredible. That was such an interesting one because you look at that and think how have they not scored from that? But there are so many options that they're sort of all in each other's way.
3:25Yes, they were kind of like making the 80-yard box stodgy, weren't they? I had a brain fart and just smashed it over the bar. It was Lorenzo Luca. Six foot seven, Lorenzo Luca. You don't give it to the biggest guy to knock it over the bar. Do you know what Forrest fans are calling him? Call him, go on. Pizza Crouch. Pizza Crouch. It's really good stuff. He's oven ready, wood-like striker. Wood-fired oven striker. Wood-fired oven striker, yeah. Don't put Pionlap along him. No, absolutely not. No catch-up. He did look like wood. He looked like a rusty metal hinge. Are you calling him Woods? I'm calling him Woods.
3:57I forget. Laura Woods. Chris Wood. Isn't it? I've called Laura Woods. That's a famous thing that people get confused by. That's how you remember it as well, isn't it? So on the performance itself, I mean, they dominated the game. They had a lot of chances. 35 shots speaks for itself. The XG across that wasn't huge. Right. They should have scored a cup. Just under three, wasn't it? Yeah, they should have scored a cup. I mean, that's the thing with XG. There's different people doing different numbers. I saw 2.37. Doesn't matter. don't get bogged down I heard he wasn't dead the point being I heard a different story I heard a different story the point being that that six on one breakaway that didn't result in anything close to a goal is exactly the kind of thing that's going to mean notoriously hot-headed gangster Evangelos Maranakis is going to storm down to the dressing room and fire someone straight away which of course is exactly what happened well apparently there was a little bit between that where he summoned senior players into his no doubt you know marble opulent office to like get their take on like what wasn't working and why it wasn't working there seems to have apparently been a disconnect between Dyche and the players I mean he's essentially an angry toenail talking about how shit you are all the time I mean they're reportedly tired turning up for matches because he trains them so hard who?
5:17Dyche? yeah Dyche he's putting them through his stand-up routine they're knackered they're absolutely exhausted he's doing lads I've got an hour I'm going to Edinburgh in August I need to run it past you he did three hours on Shemima Begum oh my god but I mean I mean it looks very do you remember Shakespeare's sister remember Shakespeare's sister that was in Germany I thought she was a witch you don't remember it lads I've got an hour on DJ's in Northampton in the late 80s it's crazy when the balls were falling to any of their forward players it was like they were dropped into an escape room and they were just trying to figure things out it's like they'd never seen the goal or goal before They looked really...
5:53And that cuts to the very core of the issue, not just with the appointment of Sean Dyche, but the essence of Sean Dyche as a professional manager, is that he cannot set teams up to attack. He had, and it was stark in this particular role, because although some people would say, well, you know, he's starting the show a bit by getting him a bit more organised, and they've got a few decent results recently and stuff, ultimately the attacking players they've got even with Alanga moving on and a bit of coming and going the attacking players they've got were good right and were much better than they're showing and that's always going to put it in stark relief because Dyche can't set them up right and he had the same problem at Everton he had the same problem at times at Burnley even though at Burnley the expectations were slightly different and I don't think it is a huge leap to suggest that actually what's happened with Dyche at Forest is similar in spirit to what's happened with Frank at Spurs.
6:56Yeah, I think it will probably be the same for Dyche at Spurs. Because, yeah, fine. Yeah, I think that's fine. Let's hope so. Let's hope so. But the fact is that even though, you know, you wouldn't say Forest, the current iteration of Forest are as big a club as Spurs, the ownership and the profile of the club means they have ambitions to do stuff, right? Let's not forget, like Nuno lost his job for a number of reasons but one of the things was a disappointment that they didn't kind of push on and get into that Champions League spot when they showed so much promise like Forrest won't under Maranakis will not have a manager like that who won't be able to get them to attack and Maranakis should have known that when he hired Dyche and the reason he hired Dyche is because he went on this amazing like like just this campaign of like to be elected as the new manager because his friends were Brian Clough and he's got Ian Woe and Steve Stone in the background and he knew Brian Clough's dog's name and that kind of shit and it's obviously never going to last because he can't do what Maranakis wants.
7:51Ex-chair, expected job. When Dyche was appointed when we were all sort of you know mulling over how this might work out which is ultimately why we're here isn't it? We were all thinking actually given the quality of these players this might be the best squad that Dyche has ever had particularly when you look at those forward players and solidity. And Chris Wood is a very Dychey striker isn't he? But Wood's not been on the team for a while. No, exactly. So I think he's probably waiting for him to come back with the kind of crossing they were putting in. But you've got those wide players who are effective.
8:20Obviously, you mentioned Alanga going, and Mario Hutchinson isn't quite the same, but Hudson-Odoi is obviously a very, very good player. Morgan Gibbs-White is a very talented player. You've got Elliot Anderson in there for some steel. Just off the top of your head. They brought Daz-Odoi in for big money as well. Of course, as well. It was starting to ruin Elliot Anderson for my money. His final balls in the box was absolutely atrocious recently. But the point I'm getting to is that I think this is kind of, this is terrible for Dyche's reputation because it suggests that what you've said there is absolutely right, that he can't really, he can't set up a team to attack.
8:51It's not that he's not at the personnel. It's just that he doesn't have the skill set within his, essentially in his tactical profile to be able to do it. The thing with Dyche is that he, you know, I've always been a critic of his, I suppose, and so people are going to roll their eyes when I continue banging the drum, I guess, but he's a lower league manager who lucked out with a bit of time in at Burnley. Did kind of well. I would say that obviously the promotion season back into the Premier League, he did really well. They obviously came seventh one season, I think, and they did really well.
9:24I mean, you don't credit him that. And I do credit him that. I think he did a good job there. But I think sometimes, in fact, a lot of the time, not just at Burnley or Forest or with Sean Dyche, but in football generally, you just find managers that fit. And the sample size at Burnley was however many seasons it was and he did a pretty good job overall. Elsewhere, it's been garbage. I mean, it's been garbage everywhere else. And so you have to bear in mind that that is a decent-sized chunk of his managerial career. And it just remains to be seen how much credit he has in the bank to continue to fail upwards.
9:54He'll get another job, won't he? Yeah, I wonder if he'll get another Premier League job. Maybe not. Because this is... He will definitely have people going, you know, working under Maranacos is essentially super Watford, isn't it? It's a basket case. but I do think the circumstances of this given that he was supposed to come in and motivate and make a difference and hasn't been able to do that that's his calling card that's his kind of superpower and I think you have and it hasn't worked no it hasn't worked and I think you have other managers who have a reputation probably fairly for being really good in the championship and then not being able to cut it in the Premier League so say like a Scott Parker or a Daniel Farker maybe and other ones that don't rhyme as well Dice should be considered that I think he won't consider himself he thinks he's a cut above he'll say if he was called Sean Dietschio he'd be managing Man United that's what he's saying he's that kind of attitude but look he's been there for 114 days I think it's only right and proper that we compare him to the list of shortest serving prime ministers of the United Kingdom so the number one shortest serving prime minister of the United Kingdom is of course Liz Truss 49 days he's done better than her he has done better than her he would be the second shortest serving Prime Minister of the UK.
11:05The one that's most closely related to what he did is George Canning, who was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom for 119 days as a Tory in 1827. That was cut short due to his death of tuberculosis. And his last words were reportedly simply Portugal and Spain. Maybe that's where Sean does it go next. That's true. That's certainly where he'd probably end up holidaying. He died of tuberculosis. So God rest him. it sounds like he's got to break it yeah exactly I mean where is Edu in this hall he's the king and Maranac is his god he's the bloke in the Tim Robinson sketch with the hot dog outfit going we've got to find out who is this I mean this is all down to Edu not bringing in the big arm Gio dude in this form of a Dharma Troiore for Nuno I mean he was very upset about that that seemed to be the last straw and what a baffling hill for such a battle.
12:03I know, I know. For absolutely everybody to die on. A lovely baby oiled hill to slip down. The whole thing had gone to shit. Like Takeshi's Castle. The whole project's gone to shit since Eddo got stuck in. Ever since Maranakis, who reportedly had a really good relationship with Nuno up until that point, decided that big clubs have these type of sporting directors in there. And he was up for grabs and he'd done an incredible job at Arsenal. Had he done an incredible job at Arsenal? Yeah, he did a really good job. He was sort of pivotal to the rebuild, but also he was, you know, he's familiar to the club and he was only working for Arsenal because part of the problem, presumably, is that Edu is doing this for all of Maranacos' teams.
12:36So he's got to be spread quite thin. But he became a real point of friction between Nuno and Maranacos, for those listening or watching who don't remember. And that's when the whole thing started to go wrong. And since then, it's been like a total basket case. I mean, there's players, the profile of players they've signed now is so hit and miss, it's unbelievable. And Edu's got to take some responsibility for that. the fact is that they speaking of managers who fit nicely at certain clubs Nuno eventually started to feel like a really nice fitter for us and it went to shit partly because of Edu and partly obviously because of Maranakis' kind of caprice so is it kind of difficult to bring a director of football over a manager who's Aldi in the post I have no idea never done it but it's almost like it's almost like the director of football is the underpants and the manager is the trousers so like you can't put the pants over the underpants you get a Brian Robson where he's with the Millersboro scarf exactly you get your half and half Maronakis is the penis here right yeah yeah a dribbling penis put it this way we all get on really well with producer Rory the boss right he's running the show if someone else came in and stuck someone between us and Rory there could be friction there would be because we want to work with Rory we want to work with the big man you know completely agree we want to work with a hot headed gangster he's the more of a Maronakis character I'm scared of him I think he's probably carrying and those people who say that Rory hasn't got a microphone to speak for himself.
14:00He does have a microphone on the Arsenal show that Jim does. He can fire back at us any time he wants. It'd be a strange rebuke, wouldn't it? Right. I've got a few things to say. We'll do the Arsenal result in a minute. I've got pretty quiet up and done now. But what's Maranac going to do next? It's like the Scream franchise. Yeah. It's lots of blood. Do you fancy another points deduction, lads? Yeah. I fancy all of it. First one in their history. Lovely. Let's do it. I'm going with Brasel to the game against, is it French Faros? Or Fenerbahce? always getting mixed up. Fenerbahce. I was going to talk about French for us with Robbie Keane yesterday.
14:32Fenerbahce in a couple of weeks. So I'll go and have a look. I wonder what manager is going to be in situ then. I'm excited to find out. The links I've seen are Vitor Pereira seems to be quite highly linked. First the pints, then the points. No, the other way round. It became the other way round. That became the problem. Don't pint before point. Oli Gunnar Solskjaer. Yes. I think he's just sort of perennially linked. Perennially. Perennially. linked. Perrere are a league. The Perennial League. Perennial. Perineum. The Perennial League. The Perennial Football Management. He's often linked. Neither of you two can look me in the eye here and say you wouldn't be absolutely delighted if Solskjaer wasn't in the job.
15:09Of course. What a hire that would be. What a hire that would be. But I mean, I think Vitor Perrere is obviously more likely because it's a more normal application. Maybe, you know, he'll get his chance before the end of the season for their fifth manager. Can Solskjaer live, still live at the main night of training ground and commute to... Probably, yeah. Not that far, is it? Not that far away, yeah. At least with Pereira, he's a little bit more front-footed and he's a bit more, dare I say, Angie. He's as mad as Maranacic. Yeah. They could cancel each other out. It'd be a really, really sort of peaceful marriage.
15:41I suppose it's just like, get the new manager bounce out of him if there is one. Whether there is or isn't, move on either way and just bounce yourself into safety. I think there's a really good chance that the manager of Nottingham Forest come May when they're playing let's have a look what they've got when they're playing kind of Newcastle at home Maynard away Bournemouth at home could be Solskjaer and that would be fucking great I love Forrest as a club I wouldn't understand the Premier League I don't like Dyche I'm pleased he's gone I hope Forrest kick on now under that mad bastard they're not going to so let's just enjoy the party while we can yeah I mean you went from almost signing Mateta to this yeah I think wasn't that just more of a flurry yeah just a further attempt to annoy Crystal Palace though?
16:25Possibly, potentially. Or is it that he wants to get Frank? Yeah, I mean, I think Frank would be mad to take this though because that will be another obvious link as well, won't it? And it's the sort of thing that football moves so quickly that you can imagine it might be announced by the time we finish the show. But if you look at the setup at Brentford and how good it is and you compare it to Spurs, which is quite chaotic and look how badly that went and then you compare that again to Nottingham Forest, which is even more chaotic. I just don't see how that's going to work. Have you seen some of the stuff coming out from Matt Law at The Telegraph about Spurs and Frank about how you would not shut up talking about Arsenal.
17:00Yeah, are we not coming on to that later? How good they were, it's brilliant. We can come up to it later all you like. I'll be honest with you, I haven't looked at the run order so it's possible. Can I just read a little excerpt from that? Yeah, go for it. Yeah, go for it. From that article, Frank had arrived at Tottenham with a no dickheads policy that he cultivated at Brentford but implementing that in North London was not as easy as he might have anticipated or liked. I mean, that is North London generally to be fair. All right, well, come and go after this. A Burnley on the verge. Can't shake my head enough.
17:39Ian Wright is the neutral in the room, so, Mr Wright, please, will you do the honours and the semi-final draw? OK. Take up the ball bag. Speaking of ball bags, during the break, Jim, I'm sorry to report you used the word erogenous he did he did he's not it was unacceptable he's been told about it before not welcome not welcome I tell you what was welcome a little bit of Etihad Premier League action last night Manchester City 3 Fulham 0 they've closed the gap on lead leaguers leaders lead leaguers league leaguers league leaguers beleaguered at the league league leaders Arsenal three points you are ahead right now Jim Campbell are you feeling the heat ahead of your game against Brentford tonight I was expecting to be three points ahead to be honest because you know Marco Silva's record against Man City is like Angers at Forest really isn't it so has Jim done anything towards this why is Jim expecting these points and you're telling Jim that he's done this Jim's done nothing towards it other than have a little moan up there is nothing I can do about it exactly don't make Jim sound like Rory Jennings talking about Chelsea right okay he's involved he's part of the conversation Jim yeah Jim's a part of the conversation he's heading up our house or short have you not show some respect you're still overstating my influence quite heavily though.
18:54This game was like such a kind of alright yeah fine. Even though Marcus was like quite forlornly messaging us on the WhatsApp group saying we still got a chance Man City can be got at that was never going to be the case. They were 3-0 down at that point. Yeah they were. Marcus is curious kind of I'm not going to say anti-Man City agenda but he genuinely thinks they can't get there when he should. He's backing his own prediction isn't he? Because I think this season's become a kind of the football run has become basically you know a few men in a room just predicting stuff and then going I told you and Marcus wanted a piece of that becoming that sorry mate but I was under the impression that's what it's always been that's part of the constitution yeah exactly absolutely just a roulette table isn't it football heritage that's ramble heritage right there and so Marcus wants to be a part of that but I do think on the showing last night I know Fulham aren't necessarily up there with Manchester City but I mean you've got players like Semenya Pep's turning him into from a proper out and out sorry, a wide play into like a central berth kind of striker and I'm very much into it.
19:57I think Semenya can sort of be whatever he wants to be, can't he? Because he's got such an impressively wide toolkit. He's properly two-footed in a way that you rarely, rarely see. Which is what you need when you're there at the right time. You're sort of like getting a tour on something. He's strong, he's quick, he's mobile, he's a really intelligent player as well. He's got absolutely everything. He's one of the best players in the league. He's a difference maker and they will have a higher points tally for having signed him. So he is absolutely one of the reasons why you look at Man City and think, yeah, they're still in this.
20:25Absolutely. Mark Gay as well. They're massive improvements to that team. They're definitely in it. They haven't lost a game for ages. Yeah. And the last time I lost was the May 9th game, wasn't it, for a month or so ago. I think the reality is that every time we see Man City putting a winning run together, and if you take into account the League Cup as well, they've won three in a row now. If you've got any kind of Premier League watching experience of the last five or six years, you're thinking, okay, is this the start of this run they go on towards the end of the season which basically decimates everyone in their path.
21:00Like the Sky Blue touch paper. Yeah, exactly. And they've still got to play Arsenal, right? Yeah. And they play them in the League Cup final as well. So Arsenal have never beaten City at the Etihad under Mikel Arteta as well. So that's a massive hurdle. For the neutrals among us, it's a good result last night because we want to see what we want to see. I mean, Arsenal play tonight, obviously they should win. You say neutral, I say bad friends. Yeah. My response to that would just be if I was surrounded by Man City fans all the time, I'd think the opposite, right? It's just because of, it's good for the narrative and it's just fun.
21:33And so, the problem is with City, they went on a kind of one where you're like, okay, they're hitting their straps now and it started around November time, end of November. Then they obviously, they drew three in a row and they lost against United. It's like, okay, maybe they're not quite able to do it. But if they do do it, it's going to push Arsenal the whole way and Arsenal are going to have to really earn the champions the champions moniker right because there's going to be a proper title race unlike last season when Liverpool were just miles away from it the Marco Silva thing is interesting though because he is a manager who clearly loves gives himself a second look in the mirror before he leaves the house for sure nothing wrong with that if I looked like him I'd probably do the same and he loves the big occasion he loves spoiling the party he loves I feel like he loves showing owners of other bigger clubs I'm here definitely I'm here he wants the fact that he's out of contract soon to be mentioned but for some reason it never translates against Man City his record against Man City is absolutely abysmal it actually couldn't be worse so maybe it wasn't a surprise last night for the managing Liverpool it might be better though well yeah maybe yeah but the point is though Pete he does seem to be able to give other big clubs a bloody nose here and there yeah I mean they kind of they certainly scratched Man City at Craven Cottage didn't they City were 5-1 up and it ended up 5-4.
22:50Obviously, you know, they've still ultimately lost the game. So I suppose that was a little bit exciting going into this game, thinking, is there any possibility of that again? But at the Etihad, it's a completely different story, isn't it? And they've proved that again. And it was one-off in the contentious decision situation where there was obviously a VAR check on a hair pull from Kenny Tete on Antoine Semenya. I think it was because he didn't go down with the hair pull and just sort of clattered into another play. You can't be pulling people's hair. You can't be pulling people's hair. I completely agree.
23:19but then on the other side Fulham fans felt that Phil Forden should have been sent off for a tackle on Calvin Bassi and I definitely think he should have been he was back from injury back in the side and really giving it some he was getting his foot in the Achilles it was really similar to the one Xavi Simmonds was sent off for wasn't it against Virgil van Dijk and I think the same outcome would have been completely fair there I'm really surprised he got away with it to be honest yeah it's problematic the optics on it are really bad because the referees using Vars set their stall out to make decisions which almost feel like almost like an illegal framework.
23:53They almost feel like precedent being set. Case law has been established. There's a precedent set. This is now what we do with this type of challenge. And then they just undermine their work like a couple of months later. It's exactly the same situation as Xavi Simmonds on. Was it Virgil van Dijk? It's Liverpool. And Foden's not been sent off. If you're a Spurs fan going for what they're going for at the moment, you're thinking this is a fucking joke. It's an absolute disgrace. There's no consistency at all. And so, yeah, they should feel hard done by there. It wouldn't have changed the result, but it would have meant that Foden would have been suspended and, you know, it could have moved the dial for Arsenal.
24:27You know, all this other stuff could have gone on, the sliding doors and everything. So, yeah, you should. I didn't think there was much in the Semenya-Hairpool thing. I think it was, you know, a bit of a kind of weird thing. It didn't go on forever. It wasn't like a Cucurella type thing. No, I don't think he did. I didn't see him sort of remonstrate all that much, but it was definitely, it definitely happened and he should have seen something for that. But the Foden thing is a red. It has to be, has to be. and so that's disappointing and it's yet more fuel to the fire of people who poke spikes into voodoo dolls of Anthony Taylor I do love the idea of the kind of people who hate VAR and the kind of against modern football lot sitting there watching a VAR check on a hair pull it's like one of the most games gone you can imagine The way that Manchester City saw Fulham with the caveat that they obviously have been all season a bit leaky at the back or slightly gives you bumps up the other team's XG here and there with a bit of a loose play but Erling Haaland obviously the UK's 72nd highest taxpayer apparently That was a really interesting article to read by the way about how much tax these players put into the system because they obviously can't be non-DOM because they have to be No, they got to be here.
25:43Salah was in there, Van Dijk was in there. Harlan's right up there because his official salary is so high. But I guess he wasn't on there. It was Sir Jim Radcliffe, right? I guess not, yeah. That would have been 0.0%. It would have been like Hancho Postacoglio in the win percentage. Tax percentage contributed 0.0%. But it seems that Harlan on the field, he's kind of back a little bit. He said that he admitted that he feels the pressure. and now he's on the score sheet from open player. That was a big goal for him. Yeah, and a really good goal as well, wasn't it? You're absolutely right, it's the confidence of it.
26:19Like O 'Reilly, really, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, not dissimilar, but that's the thing with Harland, isn't it? We know that he's got every type of finish you can think of in his locker. Yeah, as we said, Arsenal are travelling to Brentford tonight at APM. Kai Havertz is out. He's going to be out for a couple of weeks. Is that a big loss for you, Jim? Yeah, and the talk I saw this morning, yesterday it was two
26:42rate. It is very frustrating because he's made a tangible difference since he's come back and he's made Arsenal a lot less predictable, which was a trap they'd fallen into. What has happened since Havertz has come back is that Zubimendi and Declan Rice have been, they've played a bit deeper and a bit more like a kind of screeny pivot and that's let Havertz kind of roam free in that space. That's your rap name, isn't it? It is, yeah, and I would hope that Odegaard or Eza, whoever it is, comes in kind of is given that same platform because it's been good and it's made Arsenal better but I mean he was barely ever injured in his career really until Mikel Arteta said he was a genetic powerhouse and then it's been nothing nothing but injuries so cool the real test of whether the Premier League is truly cursed is whether Conor Gallagher gets injured at Spurs because like the amount of players that just drop down straight away you see that Spurs fan online when Newcastle just saw off the Spurs quite tightly because they were absolute wet blankets.
27:42The guy's just gone absolutely crazy. That's his fault! That's Conor Gallagher's fault, is it? Not, is it? Habits is an interesting case because he was kind of, I wouldn't say he was derided by Arsenal fans, but he was a bit like, he was part of the conversation about why they needed a proper striker, can't I say? And in absence, he's really grown in his reputation. And he's come back and been, like you said, a bit of what they need. And he's relieved the pressure on everyone getting upset with Gokeres, even though Gokeres is scoring fairly regularly. But actually, I think part of the reason he might be scoring regularly is that they seem to click quite well.
28:17And that looked like a burgeoning partnership with a good understanding between them. So that's another thing that you lose from that. And I don't think Havertz has spent very long, if any minutes actually, as a striker since coming back. He's been playing almost like a support striker. Yeah, and I think it's also worth pointing out that when you have such a catastrophic injury that he had, it's pretty common that little muscle pulls happen as he gets back up to speed. Setbacks here and there always seems to happen. So hopefully it won't be anything too serious for him. Well, down in Thornton Heath, Norwood, Selhurst, if you will, Burnley came from two goals down to win 3-2 away at Crystal Palace.
28:54They've reduced the gap to safety to nine points, I think. What nonsense is this? What are they doing? What fresh hell have Crystal Palace inflicted on their fans? They started off well. it looked like their slight sort of resurgence was back on the rails but I mean Burnley's not won a match since bloody October or something November time and I mean Jürgen Strand-Larsen started really well in the game he got two really good goals two really good very different proper like centre-forward finishes I'm starting to wonder like is he cursed? because Wolves get a result last night with all like 30 ,000 shots raining down on them they still get a point but I mean the second half they played quite well in the first half but then you know three goals in five minutes They played quite well in the first half of the first half.
29:36The first half of the first half, and then it sort of fell to pieces. Yeah, I mean, obviously you've got to credit Burnley there. That was a really spirited fight back. And I think even after the first goal, they smelled blood there. And there's a nervousness around... Yeah, there's a nervousness around Selhurst Park now, understandably, because things keep going so catastrophically wrong. There's a point at the week, like last night, I was looking ahead to the weekend thinking, oh, what FA Cup games are there? I was thinking, have Palace got a cup? Oh, no, no. Palace are no in the FA Cup anymore.
30:03I don't remember why that is. Famously not, yeah. Enjoy it. And there's so much kind of, there's such a sinking feeling there. And I think, I'm just not really surprised that this happened. It seemed like the latest calamity that was likely to befall them. Well, I think they've lost their way and I think they've lost their stability. And that's come from, you know, that's come from the top. It's come from, you know, Glasner doing what he's done. He's wrapped his hand in it. Yeah, he has. And they've lost key players. and I think Gay's a massive massive loss too a tangible one and also they've they've they've gone from you know recruitment of of quite a good standard it seems on the Dougie Friedman to spending 35 million pound on Brian Johnson you know this is not gonna you know if you look at the fans reaction to Brian Johnson's appearances yeah it shows you what everything you need to know but I think it's more than that as well in terms of this game specifically there comes a time probably if you're Burnley where you're like what have we got to lose now yeah totally go for it We might as well just believe in ourselves, have a go at it, especially when you smell a bit of blood, as Jim says, after you score the first goal, which is a great goal from Hannibal.
31:09I mean, the thing about Burnley is, I saw a good amount of this game. And if you look at the highlights as well, you see that they score these three goals in five minutes. All right, the third one is an own goal, but it comes from a good amount of pressure from Burnley and they maintain it. And you end up thinking to yourself, they've got a decent amount of quite good players. Marcus Edwards is a good player. Uga Chukwin, the middle is a good player. Good goalkeeper. Jay Nantini's got you love a bit of Drabavka I love Drabavka that was a hell of a save massive save at the end yeah it was Jay Nantini has his moment I don't think one of the Palace goals showed Kyle Walker up in a great light I think he's obviously a fading force now but they've got some stuff to credit them and they're not going to stay up this season and it's not going to have been good enough but I wonder whether they'll look back on this season and think we could have made a bit more of a fist at this because I mean to be nine points or whatever it is nine points now I think as you said away from safety at this late stage makes it very tough.
32:02But I think the main problem is that they concede so many goals. And they've conceded more goals than Wolves, right? And all the story about Wolves is, are they going to be the worst team ever? Rob Edwards is answering questions about that in post-match interviews, right? And they still concede more than them. So that tells you your own story. But I do think they've got some players who could have Premier League careers. Yeah, I mean, like, if you're Oliver Glasner, it seems like he, I do believe he's wrapped his hand in. They're chasing the game. He brings Munoz off, which is mental. And he just brings on a load of attacking talent.
32:36But there's nothing systemically changed. It's just man for man changes every single time. And they're getting progressively weaker. Yeah, it was just absolutely right. And they just couldn't, yeah, just please get me out of this kind of vibe rather than any systemic changes that needed to be made. It's a real shame for Palace and it's a real shame for their fans. But they're going to stay out in the league, aren't they? The problem is, if you talk about the recruitment and the change in the hierarchy and stuff. And hopefully they'll make the right decision about who they get next as manager. But maybe they won't.
33:06And if they don't, you can see there's a profile of club in the Premier League. There's loads of them where you go, you're probably Brentford, Bournemouth, Sunderland, Fulham, Palace, Brighton, Leeds, Forest, West Ham, Burnley, Wolves. There's 11 teams. If they hire the wrong manager, could feasibly get relegated. And also a problem that Palace have as well is that they've just been picked apart. And you've got Mateta and, and Adam Warton as really kind of the last crown jewels. And Mateta was desperate to go. Yeah, exactly. Mateta's got one foot out the door already and one in hospital. Yeah, well, Palace are now witnessing at home in the Premier League and they're still eight points off the drop side.
33:43They should be fine. There are some strange stories in the Premier League this season. Right, coming up after this is Tim Sherwood back in the big time. I'm shaking my head again. Very nice.
34:03Aspen Villa 1 Brighton 0 Brighton are now 6 Premier League games without a win still 7 points away from the drop though as we said before the break it's just what the Prem does to you this season it is can we Rory can we get any update on whether Herzl has gone we're on a good roll right now I think he's probably next isn't he we need a little screen with the BBC website no we need Twitter and who's the one who always announces it on Twitter Richard Keyes Johnstein Keyes he was about two hours two hours three hours too late I think he was five hours five hours after it had been announced that Dyche had been sacked Richard Keyes tweeted surely Dyche will be sacked soon I don't think he looks I don't think he looks on X himself he just kind of he dictates him like Trump but yeah James Milner came off the bench in this match to equal a record for most appearances in the Premier League era 653 appearances I think it's amazing and he's done an incredible career he's done an amazing job as a football player no doubt about that but and there is a but here I think Gareth Barry is being done dirty here you've seen the number of minutes that Barry's played compared to Milner nice it's something like three seasons more worth of minutes really that's amazing because Milner's had so many substitute appearances but Barry I haven't got the numbers in front of me but Barry's like the thing impressive thing about Barry is that the amount of starts he is Milner's been a bench player for a while you don't think of him like that though do you?
35:36I think you do now you do this season because he does one minute and he goes oh there's another one for the pile but I mean even even when he was at Liverpool he wasn't necessarily starting every game was he? he was a very very useful squad member because he's kind of a Swiss army knife isn't he? and that's what he's always been doing he's done amazing but honestly if you're not careful because Milner's going to break that record right? and fair enough to him and all the rest of it. It's not taking anything away from him. But when you look at the detail of it, Barry's career, if it's just a sheer contribution, Barry's career for an outfield player is much more impressive.
36:13Barry's had, as you said, they've both got 653 appearances. Gareth Barry's got 618 starts out of that. I'd still be tired now. He's been retired for years. He must still be like, oh, God. He's also just such a steady bloke as well. I saw him interviewed the other day, Barry, and he was being asked to compare himself to Milner. Who's the best at this? Who's the best at that? And he was just like totally reasonable every one of his answers. Really? A lot of those players were a bit like me, me, me. He was just like, oh no, yeah, James is probably better at that. Yeah, yeah. The only one that Barry, I think, gave to himself was that he wasn't as boring as Milner.
36:43He said that Milner doesn't drink. That seems rude. He doesn't drink, does he? Yes, it's probably me. I'm probably better. But that is a lovely little kind of bit of information, though, isn't it? By the way, I was on the piss the whole time as well. That many starts and I'm a sesh ledge. Come on. Have some respect. I remember Gareth Barry getting sent off at Frampton Park once. So that would have been contributed to his minutes. They're just picking up points, Jim. Yeah, I mean, they'd have a little bit of a wobble, hadn't they? And they've worked really hard for this game. It's gone down as a Jack Hinshaw would own goal.
37:14I thought it was credited to Tyrone Mings at the time. So they've worked really hard for that. Scored that in the 86th minute. and Emi Martinez had an amazing game last night I think outside of Aston Villa's support I think people forget how good he is because the first thing you think of with Emi Martinez is the antics isn't it he is one of the best goalkeepers in the world on his day he's brilliant but I think of two things I think of him pumping that trophy and I think of him sitting by the phone at the training ground waiting for May night to call on deadline dad never turned up the call never turned up and he got really pissed off do his antics go in his favour there where people at Villa are just thinking it's just Emi isn't it that's what we love him for I also think that Brighton are a bit of a weird side at the moment they're a strange team strange set up they're bringing on Jens Miller on the 22nd minute so I mean that is strange I would just say it's part of that narrative where you know Brighton people are so used to seeing Brighton bringing in kind of maybe European managers that seem to be quite young that not that many people have heard of and then they start off quite well and everyone goes oh Brighton are fine but actually they've been quite shit for a while Yeah, they're having a bang average season.
38:20Yeah, and they're not going to get sucked into it because they've got enough points on the board. But the points return this season will be fairly mediocre, really. And I just wonder whether because of the profile of Herzl he's getting enough stick for that. Because if you look at, say, last season they got 61 points, right? And the season before that, 48. The point is they're only on 31 points now. So they're going to be around that level where, you know, 19, 20, 21, where they were kind of right down there. I mean, obviously in 19 they came 17th and only just survived, right? But they've dropped off.
38:58And part of that will be because they've lost players. I mean, João Pedro is a big part of that, obviously. But just sometimes these things escape and go below the radar. It was really interesting to take it back to Spurs, because I know we're going to talk about Spurs again in a minute. If you look at, a lot of people were talking online about how Thomas Frank was treated as a manager at Spurs and how Ange Postocoglu was treated. And the argument they were making was Thomas Frank is European. He comes from this European tradition of people just accepting his explanations for stuff. And Ange Postocoglu, he's Australian.
39:35And it's quite jarring to hear an Australian accent talking about football. And so they were suggesting, I don't know if I agree with it or not, but they were just suggesting that the narrative had been set in a certain direction against Postogoglu even though his record was better than Frank's and he won the Europa League and he was treated completely differently to Frank. It took a lot longer for the press to pile into Frank because they'd seen him at Brentford because he was Danish because he had this kind of vibe about him. So I just think it does happen with look I think probably Deich got a lot more stick than say Herzler does.
40:06Herzler's been slightly better but the point being that like everyone just thinks oh Herzler's young and German and he's had a pro license since he was like 10 years old so he must be brilliant, right? There's just a lot of things at play in all these conversations. They're also in, Brighton are in a position where, as you said, they're not likely to go down. They're not likely really to challenge for Europe at this point. So they're kind of, well, they're just under the radar, aren't they? But the point is though, two seasons ago, they're in the Europa League. Sure, yeah. So they have been able to do that.
40:28Absolutely. But that was an outlier, wasn't it? That was their, like they made a Europa League campaign. So it's a funny one with them. They just feel a bit flat. They spent a lot of money in the summer as well. Jorginho Rutter was quite a big outlay for a player who's scored twice, I think, in the Premier League this season. And yeah, maybe are they getting the best out of some of the players they have there as well? It doesn't really feel like they are. Yeah, well, this result leaves Emery's side five points clear of fourth place Manchester United and six off fifth placed Chelsea. Not a bad return.
40:58I mean, third's an excellent position for them to be in. It is, definitely. And I think if they can keep it up, cement it, get that Champions League football etc etc I think it's too much of a stretch for them to deliver the league title but I think their challenge would be to to stay in that race as long as possible because they are still in the race right they'll be six or nine points off it at the time recording they're six points off it they're capable of beating anyone on their day they really are I think the biggest difference between them and Arsenal Man City for me is they don't score anywhere near as many goals and that's going to come to bite them at some point probably I completely agree well we mentioned yesterday that former Brighton manager Roberto De Zerbe has left Marseille.
41:37For more reaction to De Zerbi's exit, get yourself on today's On the Continent where our old pal Andy Brassel, who will be socially enjoying Luke's company very soon. No, I've tagged on to his work trip. Correct. He doesn't want me there in any capacity. And he's going to be joined by Dotton Adebayo and Lars Stivitsen to discuss all the follow-up. From that, just search On the Continent on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts to listen now. I think we should all want De Zerbi back in the Premier League. Yeah. Underrated mad bastard. Yeah. Could be a great fit at Forest. oh hey yeah that'd be explosive yeah be great he looks like he um he looks like he used to be in a pop punk band he does you could definitely see him on like a reformed warp tour absolutely or like one of those um there's like a one in London that's called like the crazy bastard festival it's like you've been there like the get up kids and you're like they were were they crazy mad caddies mad caddies still kicking a ball I think yeah Lag Wagon Lag Wagon there so Joey Cope is still doing his stuff Real Big Fish Real Big Fish I believe have reformed Mighty Boss Tons are trying to get back together after some anti-vaccine stuff Use their full name please The Mighty Mighty Boss Tons Thank you Less Than Jake Less Than Jake are back together they've got two new LPs two re-releases of Anymore Jim Anymore Rancid Rancid I don't know if they can I don't know where the Rancid No FX did their last No FX did their last tour but the main fellas from Rancid are doing bits and bobs.
43:06I've got another one. I've got another one too. I've got another one too. I've got another one too. Operation Ivy back together. Jim's got another one, Pete. Right. We're not listening to your answers. Yeah. So there was this weird thing that happened sort of 90s, early 2000s of like swing was big for a bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like ska, punky swing stuff. Cherry Poppin' Daddies. That's the one. Worst band name of all time. The most Windows 95 band possible. I've never even heard of them. They're awful. So bad. They're like Brian Setter's orchestra but worse and more corporate no use for a name they should know Leasinger died they're not together anymore oh shame anymore Jim we've exhausted that one you finished Pennywise Pennywise I've got another one you want to do another one Mudvayne Mudvayne Mudvayne and your metal get out with your new metal was it Real Big Fish who did the cover of Take On Me by Aha yeah that was all over my university union anyway where the hell were we that's what I'm doing that was deserving Don't mind you, mind you, Boston's Marlake.
44:04So elsewhere, Liverpool ended a season-long unbeaten run at home. They hadn't lost in 12 league games at the stadium of light. Absolutely huge. The list of teams who haven't lost a game at home this season was like PSG, Juventus, Napoli, maybe Bayern and Sunderland. Yeah, it's a shame. They've been brilliant at home. I actually watched this game last night and I thought Liverpool did a pretty good job in the circumstances. I thought it was the kind of result they absolutely would have wanted. Obviously, a win away from home but just to get, to kind of do almost like a systemic business-only win.
44:35Absolutely. At a place that's really hard to go to. It's just what they need. It was a very good away performance where they kind of set the agenda and no one else has managed to do it, so they deserve massive credit. And Robin Roof had a brilliant game as well. Did. Well, former Liverpool midfielder Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain scored a 91st-minute winner on his Celtic debut against bottom side Livingston. I like the Ox, but come on. We all love the Ox, don't we? Yeah, but not when it's, you know, going to derail hearts in any way. I'm booing for two reasons. One is the one that Jim just said, and two, because he should have signed for Pompey.
45:06Why is that funny? Money. It's a perfect fit. Money, money, money. Listen, there's certain things down the South Coast that money can't buy, boy. You want a season-long pass to the Mary Rose Museum as part of the deal? It's done. He can afford that. I just don't think the ox... Are there many oxen in Portsmouth, on the island of Portsmouth? We need more. We need more. Well, the problem is, Because when the oxen get hunted to extinction on an island, it's very difficult to repopulate. It's like lemmings. They're not coming back. They're not coming back. They're not coming back. Well, good God. Next Tottenham manager is the title of this section of the running order.
45:37We are running out of time, but let's get to it, guys. Reports have emerged that players in the Spurs dressing room had grown tired of Thomas Frank's obsession with Arsenal. My God, this is good to see, isn't it? Especially when he carried a little Arsenal cup. So what that suggests is... I forgot about that. So when he carried a little cup, was that at Bournemouth? It was at Bournemouth, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. Bournemouth away. At the time, it was like, it's just a mistake. Like, he's, he's, they've left them there. He's accidentally done it. Dress for the drink you want. This suggests there's some kind of subconscious bias that made him do it, which makes it even funnier.
46:09Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing stuff. Yeah, he's apparently constantly going on to the players about Arsenal. Even before and after the game at the Emirates, he was telling them how good Arsenal were. The feeling amongst some was very much, shut up about Arsenal. and the thing now nice to hear from Spurs yeah I mean and completely reasonable but the new person obviously has a week and a half to prepare them to play Arsenal so it's just more of that more of the same the first person whoever comes in is now just not going to be able to shut up about Arsenal either it's great they're going to have to go back to some kind of Brian Clough in the late 70s where he would famously just not talk about anyone else they were playing he just spoke to themselves over and over again and just trust them to be better you can't really do that now no but one of the things that also came out of that as I said at the start of the show it's from the reports some reporting that Matt Law did at the Telegraph.
46:53And it's really interesting. And I suppose he must have good contacts there or whatever. But one of the things that leapt out from me in that piece was that he, on that no dickheads thing you guys mentioned earlier, apparently it's being reported that Frank told a group of leadership, a leadership group of players that it's really important to have discipline and set the tone on the rest of it. And then those players, including Christian Romero, who's the club captain, turned up late for training the next day and nothing was done. Right. And it's like, what kind of circus are you running here?
47:26Absolutely. I mean, and having Christian Romero in that group is risky, isn't it? I understand that maybe sometimes to get the best out of a person like that, you give them responsibility and challenge them to respond to it. But that obviously has not worked. That's what I did with Pete once. It didn't work. No. He's just fired. Fires were set. But the devil in the detail here might be, though, that if you are thinking cynically about it, about how the media can work and stuff, I don't think Spurs do have a swept up operation so this probably isn't true but it is possible that to take the heat off the fact that they fired another manager they could just be seen now that this is how bad he was it was untenable what would you expect us to do we just happen to every manager I guess everyone's going to get briefing it's like the thick of it isn't it like you can say you were like Malcolm Tucker says you can say you're resigning before you're fired but of course we will be briefing that you were fired and that's the end of it well it turns out Mauricio Pochettino is open to a Tottenham return.
48:21I'm surprised they've not got VS Boas taken off his Paris-Dakar rally glasses to get in the hot seat. What's he up to now? What's he up to now? He's done some... I reckon he's in Thailand doing full moon parties. Still on the road. Yeah, probably is. Yeah, on the road. Maybe just never got off that rally. Should you ever go back like this? Apparently he's present at Porto, according to Rory. Right, okay. Very nice, yeah. From his rally car, hopefully. You can wear remotely. Like her Klinsmann. This is a funny one, isn't it? I think you spoke about it the other day, Luke, and I think you're absolutely right, that Pochettino feels inevitable.
48:52But, you know, unless the USA go out in the group stages of the World Cup, they're going to have an extremely truncated pre-season if Pochettino takes over. Because, I mean, it's not without its massive pitfalls from the off. Are you saying that the hierarchy of Spurs may not have fully thought it through? Fully thought it through, yeah. What am I saying? Yeah, look, I said what I said yesterday. I stand by it. It does depend on that and also depends on whether they make a calculation that they could get a good manager in permanently because they're caught between two stools, aren't they? If they hire a good, serious manager now, because they'll always be able to attract managers, they then lose out on Pochettino.
49:30That's as simple as that. But if they hire an interim, this season is a problem. It shouldn't be taken for granted that they'll survive the Premier League given the fixtures they've got coming up. And then also, you're looking at attracting the best calibre of candidate you can who knows they're not going to be in the job for very long. so it causes you a bit of a problem either way they're the architects of their own downfall here they should have they shouldn't have hired Frank when they did hire him they should have fired him much earlier to give themselves more wriggle room on this type of decision and their inertia on making a decision although on one level was understandable because they got such a bad reputation when it comes to managers and just such a bad reputation as a club anyway and what Ange Postacoglu says in that overlap episode which is out today that I haven't listened to yet will be really interesting because I think based on some of the trailers he's coming out really coming out swinging for Spurs right you know both of his replacements gone in the same day I know right yeah same 24 hours and I think I think they've caused themselves a big big problem the second thing I would say is that the Tim Sherwood Harry Redknapp stuff has been great it's been absolutely fantastic it's been so good some of the stuff that Sherwood said and some of the stuff I heard about Redknapp as well is brilliant yeah Sherwood said it's a great opportunity for someone who's not in a job it's a club that I love I know a lot about it I spent many years there in different capacities and it needs someone to give them a lift at the moment whether that's me or whoever they decide to bring in they're going to have a tough job on their hands whether that's me yeah that's a no one no one asked you that no one that was not the question no one as far as we know anywhere near Spurs is anyone outside of either the Grove Golf Club where Tim Sherwood always is swinging the lantern and fucking, you know, telling everyone's stories or the Sky Sports Studio is talking about Tim Sherwood as doing anything at Spurs.
51:23Also, he is an Arsenal fan, which is the last thing they were. Or he certainly grew up as one. The best thing I heard about Redknapp, I mean, the thing is, if you were going to take Sherwood and Redknapp, which one of them's got the right to actually talk themselves up into the job? It's Redknapp. It is Redknapp, yeah. Because he's done it and he's achieved stuff, right? Whatever you think of the guy. He's not said anything like that. The only thing that's come out of the Redknapp camp that I heard is that he'd have to, he'd have to be really really really persuaded to do it because it's so close to Cheltenham Festival when he's got some horses running there you go I don't mind it do you think do you think that's the spores job and spores would be a better place for someone to go well you could grow them exactly there's improvement there there's a group of spores on the dugout on the manager chair on the dugout and they could grow into something good maybe the one point amoeba could grow into three points maybe Tim Sherwood could put his gilet on the amoeba and grow it Keep it warm.
52:15Incubate it. Yeah. Because this Spurs job is open, is this why England have signed Thomas Tuchel up for another couple of years, if rumours are to be believed this morning? I mean, this is something we should let Marcus have a good run up tomorrow. Yeah, give him it tomorrow. If that does happen, apparently they're going to announce that today. That is strange timing from this. It is. Is it just because there's just lots of football jobs available and the market's gone a bit mad manager-wise? Yeah, I suppose sometimes you get a situation, don't you, before a World Cup, if a manager hasn't committed their future, it becomes a thing in the press and it becomes a thing but it shouldn't be because we always knew this we knew the parameters didn't we we liked the one and done idea didn't we and that's gone now I didn't like it but I understand it is that just his agent going listen there's loads of candidates around I think what's happened is it's a Sandra Tonali move the FA who famously get their pants pulled down by everyone Thomas Tuchel's agent's probably gone he's getting a lot of interest yeah you want to tie him down they've fallen for it because you should see the money they're offering yeah The timing doesn't make any sense.
53:14It is mind-blowing. I mean, if he wins the World Cup and he thinks this is the best year ever and I want to stay, then fine. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Have a bit of respect. When he wins the World Cup. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The timing doesn't make sense. The Nations League is being announced tomorrow. I forgot about the Nations League. Marcus has got a U as well. Jesus Christ. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to have to mention a Cadbury Spira now just to make him happy. Honestly. Spira was a weird one. Spira's like a... I liked it, though. It was like a hollow twirl, thick sort of twirl. it was almost like that in aesthetic but there was no texture to it so it was almost like it was reshaped dairy milk chocolate into almost like the shape of a trivial pursuit thing it was ribbed I'm a fan it was ribbed for our pleasure was it ribbed?
53:56yeah look I'm looking at it now it was ribbed on the outside but it was segmented on the inside you sure that's the spira? yeah says that on the packet alright well look to slightly lightly mock Marcus's love of the 90s we've fallen foul of there wasn't life great in the 90s where you could eat spirals and Cadbury's fuses and stuff like that. Yeah, where were we? Let's get out of here. Fuck it. Thanks for listening to the Football Ramble, part of the Aircast Creator Network. We're going to be back tomorrow for the preview show and probably, and presumptuously, probably a bit more chat about Thomas Tuchel.
54:28Say goodbye, Lukey Moore. Say goodbye, Lukey Moore. And say goodbye, Jim. Goodbye, Jim. What would you sound like if your name was Jimmy Moore? The same, I'd imagine. Now you know. This has been the Ramble. Ta-ta.
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