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3:33Jim Campbell: Hello, everybody. What a Monday and what a time to be alive. This new competition has taken the world by storm. Jim, what did you do this weekend? I just watched the Club World Cup. Yeah, plugged it all down, didn't you? Yeah, plugged it all down. Even the really, really late ones. Can't get enough of it. It's a brilliant format. I should do it with countries. The original Club World Cup format, it's easy to forget, was all Silvio Berlusconi's idea, so I think we need to thank him. I think we need to thank Uncle Fever himself, Gianni Infantino. I think we need to thank Speed for bringing it to the masses.

4:05Jim Campbell: It's brilliant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Vish? Presumably the same.

4:10Marcus Speller: Yeah, yeah. I don't want to repeat what Jim said. No, no, but I like the timings of the games because they basically go through like a session of debauchery. You kind of start a reasonable time and the sun's still out. Sun goes away. You get to about 2.30. I need to hit something to keep going. bang, you've got Al-Halal here against someone else. Exactly.

4:30Jim Campbell: They've thought about it for the Caners and the Wreckheads, haven't they? They've timed it really well. Yeah, indeed, yeah.

4:35Marcus Speller: What am I going to do today at 11pm on a Monday? I need something to do. Boca Juniors Benfica, get that up, you hooter. Yeah?

4:45Jim Campbell: Get that in your boca.

4:47Marcus Speller: Oh, I'm not sure. Flamengo Esperance. That's how you say that, probably.

4:52Jim Campbell: So, rack it up. Yeah. Oh, I see. So everything around the world should accommodate Greenwich Mean Time for you. Is that what you're saying?

5:01Marcus Speller: Yes.

5:01Jim Campbell: Right.

5:02Marcus Speller: We've been through this. We're talking about England's chances at the World Cup next year.

5:05Jim Campbell: Yeah, that's true. You want them to play their games in Canada in November, don't you? It's your solution. It's fair enough. You've got to agree with me. You know what?

5:13Marcus Speller: Just to be safe, Bournemouth in November.

5:18Marcus Speller: At the tennis pitch. Honestly, what are our boys going to do next year?

5:24Jim Campbell: Sweat.

5:24Marcus Speller: Painful yesterday

5:26Jim Campbell: And on Saturday I did look at that Particularly PSG Atletico Which we'll come on to in just a sec Our man Andy Brass was there On the ground Also saw Mexico playing the Gold Cup while he was there The Gold Cup's going on I think America could host all of the They could host the Premier League, the Bundesliga Everything at the same time

5:44Marcus Speller: Not only that, they're hosting all these tournaments Their infrastructure is crumbling on the inside They're having protests in different parts of the country And yet they sail on Yeah What a country

5:53Jim Campbell: What a place Well, you know, God bless it.

5:57Marcus Speller: That's why they're Americans and not Americans.

6:02Jim Campbell: But you're an American. Oh, that's enough, Jim. Come on. Oi, come on. Awful. Now, that was naughty. Yeah, so Al Ackley and Inter Miami got the games underway, and it was nil-nil. It wasn't a great start, was it? Well, it was. Having said everything we've just said. Do you know what, though? I was being sincere, didn't I? It wasn't a bad game. No. But Trezeguet... The scoreline doesn't necessarily reflect the level of entertainment. No. The wonderfully named Trezeguet, of course, we've known him for a while, had the chance from the penalty spot, but it was saved, of course. It was a game for the goalkeepers.

6:39Jim Campbell: Inter-Miami goalkeeper Oscar Ustari had it. He had a great game. So did his opposite number. Do you think David Trezeguet watches him miss that penalty? Do you think, for God's sake, I'm getting flashbacks. That's on me somehow. This reflects poorly on me because of you. Yeah, I mean, it is quite enjoyable. Zizou is another one who was playing as well. Yeah, there's some enjoyable names, of course. None more enjoyable than Gianni Infantino, of course, who, in my mind, will be at every single game. He will. And he's such an irritating figure, isn't he, already at this point? Because we're nowhere near the end of these annoying cameos that he's going to keep making.

7:12Jim Campbell: Because he's basically trying to make himself into a celebrity, isn't he? Trying to sort of make himself the fun face of FIFA. and it's just very grating. He was sat in between Ronaldo and Roberto Baggio. Nothing sacred anymore. And obviously Robbie Williams has done a song for the tournament, hasn't he? And there was a very, very awkward video during the rounds of the weekend of them having a fake phone call with each other where Infantino has just blubbed his way through it, like really, really flubbed it. Like he's had 17 goes at it and he's not managed to make it sound natural once, so they've just done the best they can with it.

7:47Jim Campbell: and it's just, I've never chosen to look at anything Gianni Infantino does but it comes my way so often and I feel like this is just the tip of the iceberg. Yeah, I know what you mean. Robbie Williams is really the FIFA's man, isn't he? Yeah, he loves it. He does love it.

8:02Marcus Speller: Yeah, I mean, do you think it stems from, what was the song that he had on one of the FIFA games?

8:09Jim Campbell: Oh, yeah. Do you think that was the... I've no idea, I think that... That was the first seed that was sown? He's very much been a gun for hire. I mean, Pete will tell us more about this. He does love a bit of Robbie Williams being a singer for hire very much. If you've got a party and you've got the right price. I think that's fine, isn't it? That's part of the occupation, isn't it? Depends who's paying. Yeah. It does depend on that, I think. But the game as well, they're into Miami co-owner. Sir David Beckham. He did it! Was also there.

8:40Marcus Speller: Finally did it.

8:42Jim Campbell: He did it. Yeah, well done. When was that leaked email? It was a while, it was like 2014, 15. We're going to make you wait for this. 10 years. After that. 2017, yeah. You have to wait eight years. Well, well done, David. At half time in this pulsating nil-nil, there was a crossbar challenge featuring Sergio Aguero, Pepe Cacar, Alessandro Del Piero, Yuri Djorkov. I mean, that, you know, you're going to do it. And I show speed. And there's a point, right? Who is it? What Polaroids has he got of who? No.

9:15Marcus Speller: You know, the thing about him that I will say is that he's clearly someone who, you know, the younger generation identify with. He's also someone who's not... Don't put that on the younger generation. No, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay. He's also not... You know, he was incredibly obnoxious to start. He's not as obnoxious now. But the thing that's most depressing about that is the fact that players like Del Piero, Aguero, all of them, Djokov, Pepe, Kaka are so available to this sort of bullshit.

9:53Jim Campbell: Yeah, this novelty nonsense. But I get it from their point of view.

9:57Marcus Speller: I hope they got paid a shitload to do it. Oh, yeah. But it's all rather undefined.

10:03Jim Campbell: Speed is an interesting study, I think, in this case, because I think he essentially embodies the target audience that they're trying to get with this tournament. I think that for some reason it's the thing that people do in TV all the time regardless of what type of TV it is where they're chasing the younger audience constantly trying to chase it and kind of I suppose guarantee fans and supporters for the future and I suppose they're very clearly trying to globalise it here and he sort of represents that there was a sad moment in that point where Sergio Aguero misses his shot at the crossbar challenge and Speed says come on man you've got to make those Speed come on Sergio Aguero and also it's a crossbar challenge.

10:42Jim Campbell: There are no those. This isn't really a regular thing with any meaning.

10:47Marcus Speller: Yeah, but also like Jim's point there spot on and this isn't too much of a tangent because essentially this whole tournament is geared towards shit like this.

10:54Jim Campbell: Yeah, it's just really gimmicky.

10:56Marcus Speller: Yeah, but like it happens in, like it's happening on like BBC radio now. Like they're just getting like influencers on to host shows. Yeah. And this is just a really kind of in your face thing we love version of that.

11:08Jim Campbell: Yeah, did you like that Pepe, he missed his effort by about six feet and hit a fan in the face with the ball. Did he miss his effort? Good point. Is that fan slagging me off? I don't like that guy's face. He looks like an old referee. He's just pure Pepe wherever he goes obviously. He can't help it. That's what we want of course. Absolutely. But the game itself Jim, you have to say it was a pulsating nil-nil. Yeah, exactly. I didn't watch it. One of the few you say it. One of the few that you didn't. Did you watch PSG 4? I did. Atletico Madrid 0. PSG, despite the heat, despite the competition, despite everything, just turned off and played their normal game.

11:49Jim Campbell: Yeah, I know. They slowed down after about 70 minutes a bit. But even then, by just keeping possession when Atletico were even more knackered. I was just looking at the heat in that game, which I could almost feel radiating out of my TV. Yeah. 33 degrees in Pasadena was for that early afternoon kick-off. How far away are we from a Winter Club World Cup? Yeah. Oh my goodness. Oh, yeah. So I'll tell you what will happen is, with this, because I thought to myself, much hasn't been made about the players not having breaks and just being burnt out, which, of course, is physically burnt. Indeed, yeah.

12:23Jim Campbell: I thought, well, why would you do this the summer before the World Cup? Because it's FIFA's, they're all FIFA tournaments.

12:32Marcus Speller: Yeah.

12:33Jim Campbell: And then it dawned on me, it was like, oh, yeah, well, this has now replaced what was the Confederations Cup.

12:38Marcus Speller: 100 % and bring back the Confed Cup and that was quite fun

12:41Jim Campbell: yeah the Confed Cup was nice it was the six it was international teams who'd won their you know European Championships and the Continental Cup

12:48Marcus Speller: and one team who's invited who's often the host of that World Cup was it is that how it works I believe so yeah

12:53Jim Campbell: so obviously you'd have the right number of teams it would be eight teams then sorry and yeah so the holders the hosts and all the rest of it and

13:02Marcus Speller: it served a purpose in both ways because it was often hosted by the country that was going to host the World Cup that's right Well, that's how it sort of went. Yeah, and so you'd kind of work out the logistics of crowds and stuff like that. You get a flavour of the local contest event. Yeah, exactly.

13:16Jim Campbell: I mean, that hasn't been around for a few years now, but this is what will happen is when you host the World Cup, this comes as the package that you will have to host the Club World Cup. I mean, they're already talking about doing it every two years, aren't they? Yeah. It might even be a continental thing. Why? Yeah, I believe we are going to talk more about this on the Mailbag tomorrow, everybody. That's right. You hear it right. Today is Monday, but we've got a new summer schedule for you. And so the mailbag will be out tomorrow. We're going to talk more about all this kind of hosting stuff and logistics around World Cups and Club World Cups and so on and so forth.

13:48Jim Campbell: But back to PSG Atletico. There was a moment in the game just before half-time where Atletico managed to kind of get out of their own half and they got the ball down the other end and Griezmann has a shot, which was fairly comfortably saved by Donnarumma. And it was just a flicker of a moment where they thought, oh, that was a chance. and Grazman just falls back on the turf, head in hands, thinking the amount of effort it took us to get here. And then they go up the other end and then Vettinia, like the partner of the red and white sea, just sort of dances through the two centre-halves and is like, thanks.

14:20Jim Campbell: Have you both just gone crazy in the heat or something? Well, it's the deal with the devil that he was struck. It's obviously very powerful because he didn't break a sweat, did he? Ridiculous. He's going to win the World Cup for Portugal. It feels that way, isn't it? That must be part of the deal as well. Or if they don't, then somebody turned around who's about to lift the World Cup, if it's not Portugal, and they go, where is it? And then Vettini's off with it in his pocket. He's pickpocketed them with his cape. Yeah, exactly. Alexander Sorloff missed an absolute sitter. He did. And again, there's such high value chances in a game like that against PSG.

14:53Jim Campbell: And Diogo Sirioni, again, if you're wondering how much it means to the managers, he just falls to his knees. It's just a bit like, ah, I just want to see a goal. We've done so much to come here to try and get in that. He's missed a great one and then two late goals and that was that. Red card as well, though. Yeah. I mean, it was... 4-0 doesn't feel flattering, does it? I suppose the red card is part of the reason that they kind of rack up that score. But, I mean, you can tell everyone involved wants to win it, but that's just the competitive nature of all of these people involved in this. And obviously that's always going to make it work.

15:28Jim Campbell: but I do think the heat kind of did affect it as a spectacle, didn't it? Yeah. Because the game was a lot slower than you'd expect. And PSG were, you know, they played their normal game, obviously, and it was very impressive that they managed to do that, but it still wasn't quite the kind of zip and thrust that you normally expect from them. But I guess that's just the reality of some parts of the world. And the Rose Bowl is a brilliant, brilliant place to watch football, isn't it? I got a lot of USA 94 nostalgia from that. The hedge at the side of the pitch is brilliant. I thought that was great.

15:55Jim Campbell: And I was really enjoying that nostalgia. And then I realized that they were bringing out each player one by one and announcing it in a kind of basketball way that doesn't really work in football. And there's just there is so much of this gimmicky nonsense that even a few days into it is actually sort of getting in the way of it a little bit. But the way FIFA are kind of approaching this with all these gimmicks and this seeming lack of understanding of what it is that makes football interesting reminds me of probably my favorite overheard conversation I've ever had. It's just walking down the street and there was a couple walking towards me and the woman said, you don't even smoke weed.

16:35Jim Campbell: And the guy said, yeah, but I just love the culture. And like FIFA feel like that to me. they don't actually really understand the thing they like all the kind of pageantry and the bells and whistles and all the stuff around it the sport don't really know much about it don't really have any direct experience of it oh but the culture

16:57Marcus Speller: that's a bit of casual American fandom though it is a bit obviously it's not American fandom full stop but the casual nature of it is related more to the experience and also the culture

17:09Jim Campbell: I want to make it clear I'm not saying that that's the American approach. No, no, no. Yeah, but I think it's gone to something there.

17:17Marcus Speller: One of the things about the Americanization of sport across all sports, and that happens a lot in cricket, and cricket's a very, you know, it's a very English pursuit and it grates a lot of people that it's happening, not just over here in England, but also in India. But a lot of that is because, like, the American market is so big that they want to appeal to it and this is just their way of doing that.

17:37Jim Campbell: Sure. Yeah, because I think with other sports in the US, the way they do things. Like baseball is a very casual watch. It's almost like, oh, it's like we're going to the, down a pub. Oh, but there's a live thing going on and you kind of take it easy. So I think that's the approach. But then again, in that sort of, I know not all of the country has the same climate, but I mean, in the summer, it's a very, very hot place. But you know, that does lend itself to it, I suppose. You can't be getting worked up in 33 degree heat. No. You can't be pressing in that, can you? Well, unless you're PSG. Or Vatina.

18:10Jim Campbell: Yeah. specifically between you. Just do whatever he wants. And we make a lot of the heat. I understand, as you say, that is just some parts of the world. But I think it's the early kick-off and quite clearly they went for the early kick-off to try and get the European market for what would be one of the biggest ties in this competition. I sort of get that. But it's a bit unfair on the players. But then you sign up. If you win the Champions League, Jim, or not in Atletico's case. You deserve this. This does feel like a punishment to them and a prize for PSG. It's a weird one. Also, with the players coming out one by one, It'd be like the Royal Rumble or...

18:42Jim Campbell: Yeah, it would be the Royal Rumble. You don't want to be first. You don't want to be first. You're just waiting around in the sun. You'd be like, oh, come on. I would be interested in that game. Every minute and a half, another player comes out. You're getting into Borla League bollocks here. Bloody hell, Jim. You see, you're already a-turning. I love the culture. I love the culture. I think one centre-half, you'd have to wear a bucket hat. Oh, dear. Right, coming up after this, a 10-0 victory in the Club World Cup. And Jose Mourinho has been scheming once again.

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21:45You started off celebrating the first few goals. It got less and less elaborate territory during the game. Did you feel a little bit bad for Auckland? Because obviously you were so much stronger than your opponents.

21:57Jim Campbell: No. No. Welcome back to the Football Ramble, everybody. Michael Alise of Bayern there. Not feeling sorry for Auckland City. He is cold, isn't he? Yeah. And I love that about him. Well, that's what you've got to be, Jim, if you want to get to the top, apparently. That's what everybody says. Thanks to Friend of the Ramble, Kimmy, for sending us that clip. You can become Friend of the Ramble too by joining our Patreon for just$5 a month. You'll get every episode of the Ramble on the continent and up front ad-free and access to the Football Ramble Discord. Search patron.com forward slash football ramble to get involved.

22:26Jim Campbell: Right then, back to the Club World Cup. buying 10 Auckland City nil stick to rugby you cunnies they let them play the can can 10 times oh wow 10 10 sodding times this is so funny again if in for a penny in for a just leave it playing in for a yeah exactly leave it on you know what we'll leave this on until you stop us scoring a goal until you clearly defend a chance from us we're going to leave this on you absolute sideshow that's what that says isn't it you are a joke and we are dancing on your reputation that's what Michael Aliso said

23:06Marcus Speller: you can't even stick to your day job now because all the people at your work have seen you embarrassed by us to the can can

23:12Jim Campbell: yeah exactly well I mean incredibly Bayern did record the biggest win in Club World Cup history yep don't think it's going to be bettered they were 4-0 we don't know that for sure

23:24Marcus Speller: do we yeah

23:25Jim Campbell: so I can't I don't think Benfica and Bocca have got it in them to I don't know Gauntlet-Lade yeah exactly yeah maybe that's that's what it is yeah I mean there was a few comments online about Bayern not being sporting by picking such a strong 11

23:40Marcus Speller: that's when you know the tournament's been taken seriously that's right you're trying a bit too hard there aren't you

23:43Jim Campbell: yeah it's a bit like the US women when they gubbled was it Thailand yes people were like that's a bit unfair well despite conceding 10 though Auckland City keeper Connor Tracy had a good game you've got to say you've got to say that can happen I remember seeing Chelsea v Aston Villa on I don't know if it was boxing day it was around the Christmas period and Chelsea won 8-0 and I'm telling you

24:04Marcus Speller: Brad Guzan had a pretty good game well Southampton Ramsdale for a fair bit this season

24:08Jim Campbell: for a whole season yeah he did alright didn't he but old Tracy said I've got to do a combination of annual leave and leave without pay I'll be suffering a bit with the rent and bills and stuff like that but to play against Bayern, Benfica and Bocca 100 % it's worth it yeah of course it is even with a result like that you know Double figures is a bit annoying. Of course it is, but this is an incredible situation. He's losing money. He is losing money. We're paying to pay to play, which is what we've all done. He's just sucking up. I would have liked the reporters to be a bit more patronising to them and say to the Auckland City manager, would you have taken 9-0 before the game?

24:44Marcus Speller: I don't know. How about 8?

24:48Jim Campbell: They're the only team in the tournament that are not full-time professionals, of course. Some people have questioned whether amateurs should be taking on a side the size of Bynes. So according to the BBC, to give you some numbers here, Auckland City's turnover for the last financial year was reportedly 1.1 New Zealand dollars, which is about... 1.1 million. Sorry, it does feel like it, Jim. 1.1 million New Zealand. When did they find oil? New Scenal. Which is around£488 ,000, whereas Bynes was€951.5 million, which was about£810 million. Also, Auckland City's amateur... You can buy the team and their families.

25:26Jim Campbell: The whole lot and have tons of cash left over.

25:28Marcus Speller: We're going to buy the places that you work for.

25:32Jim Campbell: Yes, they should. And play the can-can through the stereo system. We'll get some people doing that dance to come in and announce it. Da-da-da-da. You're sacked, you're sacked.

25:46Jim Campbell: Yeah, so Auckland's amateur players have a salary cap of 150 New Zealand dollars, which is around£66 per week, which shows you the gulf. Not as much, is it? But do you, I mean, when people sort of moan about this, I sort of think, well... No, that's part, that's just the nature of football across the world. Exactly, exactly. There isn't a superpower in the sport in that part of the world, is it? There's, what, 5 million people in New Zealand? Football isn't the most popular sport? That is just a, just reflects the reality of the sport on this planet. And I think that's kind of the point of this.

26:18Jim Campbell: So you can't start shying away from that, right? Should you have someone step in and go, you're two shits to play? Yeah, exactly. You can't have that. That's what people are saying. You know what it reminds me of? Often you hear people make the joke when the Olympics is on that there should be just a regular person taking part in every sport as a sort of control so that we can see how talented these athletes actually are. This is the closest you will ever get to that.

26:40Marcus Speller: Yeah, great point. It's also worth remembering that Auckland City aren't necessarily the best team in New Zealand because there are a couple of teams that play in the A-League and thus don't play in that world. Yeah, exactly. In that Champions League.

26:53Jim Campbell: They often clean up the Oceania sort of Champions League, if you like.

26:55Marcus Speller: Yeah, yeah.

26:56Jim Campbell: But Australia aren't involved, as you say.

26:58Marcus Speller: Yes.

26:58Jim Campbell: So there's the quirk, everybody. Calm down. Now, let's move on to Botafogo and Seattle Sounders. Botafogo 1-2-1. Head of the game, a reporter asked Botafogo player, Wacken Correa, how do you feel about facing your brother, Angel Correa? And Wacken said, he's not my brother. The reporter said, but isn't his name Correa? And then Watkins said, yes, but not everyone named Correa is my brother. This is amazing, isn't it? They found a reporter who doesn't understand surnames. Is that genuine? Yeah, that happened.

27:34Marcus Speller: What's going on?

27:36Jim Campbell: It can't be that hot. This whole thing is amazing. This whole tournament is fucking ridiculous. I know, I know. But the rest of your family who own Campbell's meatballs, Yeah, they watched it, didn't they? Stunning stuff. So that's the level that you've got going on here. Are you related to Speak and Speller? It's like every single decision that's been made in this tournament is just the first thing someone suggested. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Freed From Desire being the title music. Yeah, that's really obvious. Should we get some GAC? Brilliant. Meeting done. Robbie Williams is already here.

28:16Marcus Speller: Yeah. he's got the same surname as you probably his brother he's his brother yeah ask him just ask him now

28:23Jim Campbell: there you go you see that's how it works

28:25Marcus Speller: that is ludicrous

28:28Jim Campbell: stunning stuff shame for Seattle

28:32Marcus Speller: loads of people would have the same surnames in this competition yeah

28:34Jim Campbell: you would think so

28:35Marcus Speller: they're a real family affair exactly

28:37Jim Campbell: but Botafogo yeah they beat Seattle Sounders 2-1 they did that happened shame for Seattle because they had a good support they did and they were in their home stadium of course yes which is a potentially a huge advantage. Nice to see former Man United man, Alex Telles. Yes, absolutely. For Botafogo. Generally, Botafogo are a very interesting proposition here because they're current Brazilian champions and they're current South American champions as well. So obviously, in that part of the world in particular, this has been taken very seriously, as it always is. And you'd imagine that the expanded format of it will be very interesting to them.

29:09Jim Campbell: Do we sound patronising when we say, well, they're going to take it seriously? Suggesting that European teams might not. I do think the European teams are taking it seriously as well, but I think actually traditionally they haven't so much, whereas in South America it's always been seen as an important thing. There's an extra edge for the South American teams, you're right, because they feel like they've got something to prove. You go back years and years to when you had, say, one-off games between the South American champions and the European champions, and it was always a keenly contested match, but of course Europe was where the money is and so on.

29:41Jim Campbell: Before the match, we all know how it's...

29:44Marcus Speller: Yeah, but also back in those days, those games were taken seriously. A lot of Pelé's record are from those kind of games.

29:50Jim Campbell: Oh, it was going all that way back then. Yeah, yeah.

29:52Marcus Speller: But that history still carries through to this day. I think it's right that we point it out because that's just the nature of it.

30:02Jim Campbell: Yeah, totally, yeah. Shall we come all the way back to the Premier League? Oh, go on then. All right then. Well, it's a league that Florian Wirtz, or Wirtz, depending on how you get out of bed in the morning, is going to join. He's off to Liverpool. It's all official now. He's agreed a£116 million deal. Or Liverpool have agreed it rather with Bayer Leverkusen. It's£100 million guaranteed, and£16 million in success-dependent add-ons would make it a British record fee.

30:29Marcus Speller: If you're paid£100 million, just pay the extra£16. I know. If this goes well, we'll give you£16 more. Well, you've given us£100 already.

30:36Jim Campbell: Yeah, we know you got it.

30:37Marcus Speller: Cop up.

30:38Jim Campbell: It's Monopoly money.

30:39Marcus Speller: But also, at what point does the doubt creep in? he's worth 100 but we're going to have to see about that next 16 I do find it so

30:47Jim Campbell: these kind of transfers I know that Florian Vertis is a very good footballer right the price tag alone would testify to that I and I you know we watched Bayer Leverkusen when they nearly did that that A treble of course he had a great Euros yeah had a great Euros and so on really good player but that type of fee if you remember like years ago I'm going to sound like an old man years ago that type of fee would be for a player who everyone around the world is like, oh my goodness, this guy's going to be a legend of the game sort of thing. I think he is that type of player, is he not? Will Farris -

31:22Marcus Speller: I would look at the other players on that list and come to that conclusion, but I think Farris fits that profile that you speak of there.

31:29Jim Campbell: Okay, I just wonder if he's going to be taking, if he's going to be partaking in the crossbar challenge in future Club World Cup.

31:37Marcus Speller: I think that's what his - Trajectory is, for sure. That's his aim. Well, like, if he does enough... That's the goal. ...to secure that extra 60 million for Bayer Leverkusen... Yes. ...and come on at halftime, mate. Have a ping. Scars the limit.

31:51Jim Campbell: Yeah, I mean, he's 22 years old. Obviously, vastly experienced as well, which is a very valuable thing. And I think the fee reflects that you're essentially getting a player who's likely to be one of the best players in the world in their prime. But that's the difference, though, isn't it? Potentially, the rest of his career. Nowadays, you buy players who are younger. That's what the top clubs do. we've been seeing that for a number of years now whereas back in the day you'd saw I mean what was Adan? Was he like 28, 29 when he went to Real Madrid? Yeah. You know was it a world record transfer field?

32:22Jim Campbell: Certainly up there. So it is yeah you buy players who basically can play 50 or 60 games a season and can press and again this is nothing new to anybody so again forgive me for sounding a little bit like an old man but I've come back to the modern day. So yes made his debut for Bayer Leverkusen at 17 he scored a decent amount of goals for a guy who's not a striker more of a midfielder you would say although attacking one certainly but 57 goals in 197 games and was brilliant when they won the league so spectacularly one has to say so he's going to add an awful lot to this Liverpool side absolutely he's a really interesting profiler player to me in terms of what he brings to that Liverpool squad because it's completely different from what they have at the moment he's a very very central attacking midfielder the kind of old school like in the hole style playmaker and they don't really have that.

33:12Jim Campbell: So it makes me wonder kind of what slot is cooking up and what's in store. And I think the likelihood is is that they'll be quite different from how they were last season. Probably that makes them unpredictable by its nature. But that was always going to be the case. Having only signed, was it Frederico Chiesa in the previous summer window.

33:31Marcus Speller: Yeah, they were holding back for something like this. And also like, you know, just to be back off what Jim said, he's probably the closest there is out there to Musiala for someone who plays in the hole does stuff in there that we're more that we see as a bit of a throwback to how the playmakers were and has this knack of just dribbling past anyone he wants to in any position

33:56Jim Campbell: Well his footballing education has been impressive I mean Xabi Alonso Yeah you know what a coach he is already and so what he would have learned under him so yes you're right to point out the positions but you know you always know as well as I do that he will just be popping up everywhere and to have that unpredictable type of player who's very dynamic and will be able to do a job I think that's the thing he gives Slott and Liverpool so many different options or so many different tactical options in that midfield The thought of him linking up with Salah is sort of is slightly makes you salivate Oh well yeah In the bad way

34:31Marcus Speller: yeah

34:32Jim Campbell: From your eyes Yeah exactly I think that again the old when you're in a position of strength, that's when you should strengthen, all that kind of stuff. It's a stunning transfer. It really is. And I was wondering about next season, thinking Liverpool are going to clearly be favourites for the title. And we're intrigued as to what Manchester City will do next season. Can they come back? And actually, oddly, the Club World Cup kind of gives them a little preview. And also a chance to bed in some of the new players and kind of get with it.

35:05Marcus Speller: Yeah, that's a good point.

35:06Jim Campbell: With Liverpool signing Verts, I'm a bit like, that is such a statement. It's funny, isn't it? Because City have signed probably, I don't know if they've confirmed Nipen yet, but it's looking like five players already added to the players they brought in January. It's like they're making serious moves, as we've discussed already. But this one player is kind of as exciting as that, if not more so. And a player, as you say, that they didn't, they're a slightly different profile to what they already have. now Liverpool are close to signing Bournemouth's Milos Kerkic another really exciting addition Kerkic yeah I mean he's been linked Anthony Robinson was linked I'm very glad that they've gone down the Kerkic route poor old Bournemouth yeah to be fair like it's it's not been as instant as everyone was saying I mean when they were going well all the chat was yeah we're going to have trouble hanging on to those players well but Dean House has gone already Zabani might well be on his way to PSG Kerk has to Liverpool Kepa's off that's most of the defence Marcus Tavenier going can I have a move as well probably I could probably forgot about old Kepa in my home Semenyo as well you've got to qualify for Europe haven't you otherwise the bullies will come along bigger boys on bikes will come along and take your best players exactly yeah well Kirkus would be a great signer for them Atletico Madrid interested in signing Andy Robertson that's a lovely one

36:24Marcus Speller: isn't it it is and I reckon Andy Robertson's looked to the club World Cup afterwards yes after that

36:29Jim Campbell: Oh, he's completely sold on it? Yeah. Just not in that weather. Yeah. Do you want to come over to Pasadena? No, I just... I'm still...

36:37Marcus Speller: We can do your medical here if you want, really. Nah, leave it. I'll come to you when you're home. Yeah. Don't point me going all the way over there. I'm going to have an actual holiday. Yeah.

36:48Jim Campbell: Oh, superb stuff. Right then. Well, let's talk about Manchester City. They've been signing players. Of course, Ryan Cherky was one we spoke about the other day. Just for that volley alone in the UEFA Nations League. Gorgeous, yeah. He said he wants to kill Manchester United. It was a bit unnecessary.

37:05Marcus Speller: Yeah, I'm on my mind. Are they not already dead? Well, immediately goes to that Simpsons clip. Stop, they're already dead.

37:11Jim Campbell: Stop talking like this. I know. It's a great way to ingratiate yourself to the new fans though, isn't it? Poor old Manchester United. I mean, they just can't catch a break. He says that and then in soccer raid at Old Trafford, Carlos Tevez turns up and steals the show and scores four. Gets booed at every sort of thing. and now Spurs are suing Was that soccer aid? I thought that was a Club World Cup game. It's so hard to keep up. Yeah, yeah. So you got that and now Spurs are apparently suing Manchester United owners to Jim Ratcliffe's company, INEOS, after they withdrew from a sponsorship deal with the club.

37:44Jim Campbell: Anything, anything can be taken. Quite often you meet people who, you know, are unfamiliar with what we do and they're like, is there enough to talk about? Like, honestly, just Man United most of the time. Just Man United. That would be your five shows a week. And it wasn't that long ago that there was a little tiny flicker of hope in your eye when they were maybe going to sign Brian and Bumo. And now Frank's gone to Spurs. He's talking to them. Yeah. Sorry, mate.

38:10Marcus Speller: I think I literally said this would be the most exciting thing that's happened to us since we signed Bruno.

38:16Jim Campbell: And even that looks like it's been taken away. Yeah. You're not allowed to have nice things.

38:21Marcus Speller: But when I heard that Brian and Bumo has now been linked to Spurs because of the Thomas Frank appointment and Joanne Visser as well, Yeah. I was actually a little bit like, you know what, good for him. You know the bit in Good Will Hunting where Ben Affleck knocks on his door and he says his dream is that he doesn't answer because he's moved on to better things. I don't know if I wanted to see Brian in wear my Hollywood Adventure United shirt for his own good.

38:42Jim Campbell: Yeah, maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's what it is. Bloody hell fire. The Cherokee thing obviously relates to the Leon game, doesn't it? He wants revenge for that heartbreaking situation. They're the ones he lost to us.

38:53Marcus Speller: It's your fault, mate.

38:54Jim Campbell: Sure, absolutely. But I think the context is important there. It's still quite funny. It is absolutely very funny. It is quite funny, yeah. Oh, I don't know if we mentioned it, but obviously Kevin De Bruyne has moved to Napoli. Oh, I love this. This is a great move. Billy Gilmore, Scott McDominay and Kevin De Bruyne. Will he start? Where's he going to play? He's not going to play. McTominay. McTominay's going to be... Come on after 60 minutes if you want, mate. Well, Gilmore doesn't really start that much. No, no. Obviously, McTominay is the most important player in Serie A. He's got the award.

39:27Jim Campbell: to back it up so I'm not yours

39:28Marcus Speller: they were playing in the league at the same time and one was being lamented by his own fans for not being good enough and the other was quite literally bossing the Premier League and there'll be a point in the upcoming Serie A season when McTominay's going to turn to De Bruyne and be like what I do is I make these runs and stuff just find me mate we'll be alright get out of your feet don't worry about

39:52Jim Campbell: don't dawdle on it too much get out of your feet find me I know you're angry with me and you're shouting right now but see everyone in the stadium. Just a click of the finger and I'll set them on you.

40:00Marcus Speller: I've been smoking 20 a day all summer, mate. Don't you talk to me like that.

40:06Jim Campbell: I was going to say, yes, I have got some sun cream. The king of Naples. Incredible, yeah. I mean, he will do. I mean, McTominay. I'm basically fuelled on limoncello right now. Absolutely right. Well, McTominay making those late runs at the box. De Bruyne's just going to pick him up. De Bruyne should have a lovely old time there. He should, yeah. I know that, you know, in the early weeks of the season, we were talking about the heat and so it might be a bit warm down there, but it'll soon cool off. That's a great signing for Nabya. It is a great signing. Bear in mind, they are the champions and you have to do something.

40:38Marcus Speller: We've got Lukaku there as well. Exactly.

40:40Jim Campbell: I mean, this seems like a lovely old time to us from the outside, doesn't it? But it's a pressure cooker environment. It's very, very intense. It is. And yeah, to better last season or equally, it's going to be very, very difficult. but getting in one of the standout players in world football for the last, you know, how many years, I understand he's a little bit older and so on. But that's kind of what makes it so great, isn't it? Because that is demonstrably a midfielder that can cope without him. So that's a little sprinkle of top quality. But there's so much romance in this because you remember he was being linked to Saudi.

41:13Jim Campbell: That's exactly what you want, to see a player of that size go to such a huge, massive club like Napoli, who of course are the champions. You know, it's not like they're mid-table or anything. I love it. I absolutely love it. Yeah. And I'm really looking forward to seeing him play there and link up with Scott McTominay, who, of course, got the better of Kevin De Bruyne in his last game for Manchester United when they won that FA Cup final. Coming up after this, everybody, Gennaro Gattuso is back in the big time.

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43:28Jim Campbell: That's right everybody Gennaro Gattuso Has been appointed As the head coach Of Italy This is what we want This is exactly what we wanted Now it's always fun To see a huge club Miss out on qualifying For a World Cup Isn't it But I now need Italy to be there we need Gattuso managing Italy in the dugout of the World Cup in that heat let's talk about the heat more let's talk about the heat it's going to be really hot there he's going to stink isn't he he's going to be fuming it was so hot that Diago Simeone was wearing a t-shirt you go back but you know yes Gattuso of course managed Hadjik's split last season they finished third in Croatia in their first division and he got into that bust up with the oh yeah with that journal with the journalist yeah which was always enjoyable if you read through his managerial resume it's really he was sacked or left by mutual consent you know that kind of thing I think he got he achieved promotion with Pisa in was it yeah in Serebee so he's saying sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit I think rarely good mostly shit I think he might come to the conclusion although he was a great man of course and as we know as a Glaswegian wife as a Glaswegian wife as we know that if you're a good club manager it doesn't sometimes matter with regards to international football

44:48Marcus Speller: yes but in the way that sometimes you can get it right yes sometimes maybe good yes is what we're saying because the

44:58Jim Campbell: and obviously he won a Coppa Italia with Napoli as well yeah

45:01Marcus Speller: the Italian Football Federation the president on his appointment said Gattuso is a symbol of Italian football the blue jersey is like a second skin on him his motivations his professionalism and his experience will be fundamental to best face the upcoming commitments of the national team yeah for all the talk of his CV you cannot disagree with a word of that no because it is absolutely true and I don't necessarily think it's what Italy actually need although you might but it would it can't hurt well it might hurt

45:33Jim Campbell: physically sorry it will hurt they are in a tough spot aren't they there's been a lot of talk about the lack of players available to the national team at the moment how there's a bit of a kind of lack of talent there so this is a guy who thrives in chaos it's a tough situation he's ready to go to war at any given moment and there's also a sense isn't there like well we've got to do this at some point so we might as well do it now it is that option isn't it that you can imagine in Italy who and by the way have not qualified for a World Cup since 2014 and the last time that's mad it is and they've not made it out the group since 2006 which is of course the year they won it.

46:11Jim Campbell: You look at that. Because they won the Euros, obviously you forget about that. Of course you do, yeah. Well, that's the crazy thing. They won the World Cup that year in 2006, of course, famously, and then they have won a European Championship. So, you know, they've won two major trophies. You'd take it, wouldn't you? As a nation, you'd take it. Absolutely right. From where we're sat. Yes, but unfortunately it's not on offer, Jim. But if it was, we would certainly take it. We'll try, but it will be too hot. For a country that has been one of the great international teams since football began. It is a poor record with regard to qualifying for tournaments and how they've performed other than the anomaly of Euro 2020.

46:48Jim Campbell: And they've tried it, you know, because Mancini, they were brilliant up into that tournament and then failed to qualify and it didn't quite go right. Mancini, yes, a good club manager and a good international manager, you have to say, but it ended, you know, not very well. And then along comes... Because he's a known prick. Right. Then Spalletti comes along and he can't quite implement it. And you could just imagine some of the voices in Italy going, these players need a rocket. Need a rocket up their bottoms. And who to straddle that rocket? This is the man to do it. So I have no idea how it will go, but I'm genuinely intrigued to see.

47:26Jim Campbell: Because if international football is largely about fostering the spirit, trying to tap into that, trying to galvanise people, it's an enormous opportunity for Gattuso. because as I say managing in the Croatian first division last season with all due respect it's not one of the big leagues in Europe so it's a chance for him to kind of almost like rebuild his reputation in Italy because he has managed Milan and Napoli but you know violence could be seen so there we are right tonight there's some more club World Cup action Chelsea playing LAFC Hugo Lloris will be in goal for LAFC which is quite enjoyable But Olivier Giroud will be in the squad as well, the former Chelsea man.

48:10Jim Campbell: Lloris, last thing he wants to be doing is picking the ball out of the net to players in blue. But Chelsea will be the first. There's something about this competition, which I just feel like Chelsea of yesteryear would win it somehow. I think they can do something. I do as well. Do you know what I mean? Why do you think of yesteryear? Well, just because Chelsea, whatever was going on at the club, they would always win. They did win a trophy about two weeks ago. No, they did. Which is why I'm thinking that they could do it. But if you look at this Chelsea squad, it's clearly inferior to Bayern, PSG, Man City, Real Madrid.

48:46Marcus Speller: It might get to the point, though, where in the latter stages it's, can you be arsed?

48:51Jim Campbell: Yeah, could be.

48:52Marcus Speller: And they probably could be.

48:54Jim Campbell: I think Liam De Lappe could be. See, Mareska's been talking him up, hasn't he? Future England number nine and all that. You hope so. Getting in our slipstream.

49:00Marcus Speller: Well, you said this at the start of the season, I think.

49:04Jim Campbell: I said it before anybody knew who Liam Dillat was. Even him. Even his dad.

49:09Marcus Speller: Who's this?

49:11Jim Campbell: Is it definitely his dad or is it just another man called Dillat? That's a good point. It's his brother. That's it? Yeah. Boca Juniors play Benfica. You nearly did it there, didn't you? I nearly did. All right, then. It's Boca Juniors play Benfica. Just, you know, it's all right, isn't it? R.I.P. Yeah. Oh, he is dead, isn't he? Did you see that a lot of Bokka fans were seen at the rides at Universal Studios on the weekend and they were chanting Bokka songs as they were sort of going around? They love it, don't they? Definitely. They absolutely love it. Like being on a roller coaster isn't brilliant enough.

49:49Jim Campbell: They've actually managed to add to the experience. As it goes around. Oh, dear. They were also seen partying on Miami Beach. Mind you, the shit-ousery with Bokka and River will never end. And a plane flew overhead with a banner reminding them of their Copa Libertadores final loss to rivals River Plate back in 2018. It read, RIP, you died in Madrid. So there we are. I say the little victories, that was quite a big victory.

50:17Marcus Speller: Yeah.

50:18Jim Campbell: And it was ultimately disgraceful why it had to be played in Madrid. But there we are. So the fun never stops at the Club World Cup. River Plate themselves, of course, playing Urawa Reds, as I believe it's pronounced, in their opening game of the tournament. I tell you what. Let's see what the Boca fans have got for them. Well, indeed, Jim. I want them to face each other. Yeah, that'd be brilliant. Then we'll see what they might never do the tournament again. Yes. Ah, I see. Yeah, we talk about how in the US they're hosting all the football tournaments at the moment and it's an incredible operation.

50:57Jim Campbell: have you had that spanner thrown in the works yet yeah Trump security teams that'll test you

51:07Marcus Speller: what's the matter I just don't like a bit of heat

51:12Marcus Speller: that would be that is the ultimate there's an insurgency for you you wanted this you wanted this you organised this tournament

51:22Jim Campbell: have it we've all got to hope that happens that it passes peak we don't want to see violence

51:28Marcus Speller: yeah we don't want to see anyone hurt but we want to

51:30Jim Campbell: we want to see a good game of football and that's what the club world cup is all about talking of good games of football did you see Sampdoria won 2-0 against Solonitana in the first leg of their play out remember the shithousery that was going on the Genoa fans buying up tickets well it didn't work didn't work at all did it Samp won 2-0 in the first leg in the first leg to be clear there we are everybody thank you very much for listening part of the Acast Created Network. We're back tomorrow for the mailbag. Our schedule is changing for the next few weeks and we'll be releasing the mailbag on Tuesdays.

52:04Jim Campbell: So if you've got a question for us, find us on socials at Football Ramble or email us at footballramble.com. So that's right, the mailbag will be on Tuesdays now. Make sure you're subscribed in your podcast app so you never miss an episode. Thank you very much, Vish. Thank you. Thank you, Jim. Thank you. And thank you, FIFA.

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