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3:12Pete Donaldson: Give me fuel, give me fire, give me that which I desire, everybody. Welcome to the Football Ramble. Jeff Bezos is incoming and Maranakis is still angry. It's Wednesday, 12th of August. I'm Marcus Speller. I'm Pete Donaldson. I'm Pete Stantorager.

3:37Pete Donaldson: Well done, boys, and well done to friend of the Ramble, CJ Herrera, for giving us that intro line. If you want to submit an intro line for a future episode and get an extended edition of today's show, then become a friend of the Ramble on our Patreon. Click the link in the show notes to sign up now. Give me fuel, give me fire, give me that which I desire. Yes, Peter. You've got to say it properly. Who's it by then? Metallica, I think. You think? I know. You know. You see how thinking goes to knowing so quickly. And that is the influence of the internet on Pete Dawson's brain.

4:08Marcus Speller: Are you a Metallica head when you grow up? No, not really. I bought that. Is it reloaded? Their second, they had loaded and then reloaded. And then I bought reloaded. And I said, I quite like this reloaded album. and I remember all the Metallica heads said, it's not as good as Lorded. I was like, oh, fuck off then. I'll go and listen to some less than Drake. I've told you, don't talk. You've driven me to this. You've driven me to this. I can't enjoy Metallica now, that boy in Solid Sounds in Hartlepool. You've driven me to a lifetime of Ben Folds. I might have been driven to jaunty piano pop by one Metallica fan.

4:43Pete Donaldson: It does happen, though. It does happen. As I say, one can go from Metallica to Ben Folds. Very, very quickly. Vish, it looks like the Premier League is going to go from no Jeff Bezos to Jeff Bezos quite quickly. Right. That seems to be a thing. He's set for Liverpool investment. Now, of course, he's a part of a consortium, which also...

5:05Marcus Speller: Just hold that there.

5:08Pete Donaldson: How rich is he?

5:09Marcus Speller: Is he the third richest person in the world?

5:10Pete Donaldson: Yeah, but it's safety in numbers.

5:12Marcus Speller: Sure, yeah. Do you reckon the others were like, why don't we just try the richest people in the world?

5:18Pete Donaldson: We could just ask them, couldn't we?

5:19Marcus Speller: Because if he's around, if Jeff Bezos is there, like, oh, so how much are you putting in? He's like, I do like the transfers and stuff like that. Yeah, Jeff can afford. Who's getting the pizza?

5:30Pete Donaldson: Yeah, he's getting the luncheon. Who's getting the Pret-Manger platter? The consortium also includes Facebook co-founder Eduardo Severin as well.

5:38Marcus Speller: Yeah, but he kicked, do you remember in the film when he smashes the other man? He's Andrew Garfield in the film. Is he? Yeah. I thought he played the brothers. No. No, no. Those are the Von Trapp twins. The Von Trapp twins. Not the Von Trapp twins. The Von Trapp twins. Who was bringing sexy back? He ended up eating people. He did eat. Yeah. Oh, yes, he did. Yes.

5:59Pete Donaldson: And Eduardo, sorry, I haven't anglicised it just yet, is now Spider-Man, is that what you're saying?

6:05Marcus Speller: Used to be Spider-Man. Right. Was rubbish. Binned him off.

6:08Pete Donaldson: Okay.

6:09Marcus Speller: Knew Tom Holland, not the historian, Spider-Man.

6:11Pete Donaldson: Went to Japan. Lots of people were killed for being Christians, but he was okay, I think.

6:16Marcus Speller: Samurai.

6:17Pete Donaldson: Samurai. In silence.

6:19Marcus Speller: Right. Okay.

6:21Pete Donaldson: Yeah. Armie Hammer plays the twins, apparently. Who plays Jeff Bezos? Armie Hammer, surely. He must be a tough guy with that name, eh? He's the end of a long... He doesn't eat people. He's the end of a long... Well, he's threatened to. Or he says that he wants... He likes the idea of eating women, doesn't he? That's what he said. That's what he said. Is this one of the characters he played, or is this Mr Hammer? No, no, it's a real thing. IRL matey now he's consigned to doing absolute dog shit dog whistle right wing stuff oh okay yeah well next summer Pete's Film Club maybe we'll see him exactly

6:54Marcus Speller: he can't even eat a woman now I'm sure he'll be absolutely fine Marcus because he is the son and the grandson of someone very very well off indeed MC I believe it's the Arm and Hammer Corporation yeah the big trousers

7:08Pete Donaldson: he's in the pocket of big trousers he's in the back of MC Hammer right enough of this bollocks back to Liverpool Jeff Bezos Yeah, him and his men are in talks to buy what he's thought to be. Roughly 30 % stake in Liverpool. Now, the group is led by Amit Bhatia, who until July was the director and co-owner, of course, of Queen's Park Rangers. He was there for 18 years, has a stand at Loftus Road named after him. What do you think of that, Vish?

7:35Marcus Speller: I like Loftus Road. He's actually, you know, he's been quite prominent. I think if people don't recognise the name, they'll recognise the face. because he was there when QPR were in the Premier League. He's a big part of that documentary. He's not Tony Fernandez. He's not Tony Fernandez. He's often sat next to Tony Fernandez in that documentary.

7:51Pete Donaldson: Is he the one giving him a massage in the boardroom? No, no.

7:54Marcus Speller: He's the one who's got like thundercat eyes. He's got really really

8:03Marcus Speller: striking eyes. It's a strange one, isn't it? Because whenever something like this comes up, you've got to think about it from, I suppose, the ownership's point of view.

8:14Pete Donaldson: Why don't someone think of the billionaires?

8:15Marcus Speller: Well, that's kind of the point I'm making, yeah. So, like, Kieran Maguire on BBC Sport talked about how it's such a good deal for Fenway Sports Group, given what they paid for Liverpool. £300 million in 2010. And so they're getting, you know, they're potentially getting back four times as much.

8:32Pete Donaldson: £1.4 billion, roughly. Seems like steel nowadays, isn't it? I mean, just to sort of jump in there to give us some numbers, FSG Fenoise Sports Group bought Liverpool for£300 million in 2010 if you remember the time my mind hadn't really moved on from the old days some of my Twitter posts no I'm joking

8:52Marcus Speller: do look for them though

8:53Pete Donaldson: you can find all sorts of stuff there so£300 million you remember when these clubs were bought back in the day that was roughly that much I remember how much Ashley was wanting for Newcastle United about£300 million or something like that Blah de blah de blah. And then you jump forward to today and the club is currently valued at 4.5 billion. Yeah, yeah.

9:13Marcus Speller: It's like a London house. It is a bit, yeah. But the point that Maguire was making on the BBC was that they are turning like a healthy profit for only 30%, so they're still in control of it all. Exactly, yeah. the flip side is when someone like Jeff Bezos comes into your football club it doesn't fucking matter if you've got the you know if they might have the minority's sake and also if you're a fan of Liverpool you'd be well within your rights to be extremely worried about the direction of travel at this point because

9:45Pete Donaldson: I don't know but what would that direction of travel potentially

9:47Marcus Speller: probably to space all these mad cunts love space yeah it's the 39th fixture on Pluto yeah well it's interesting because obviously vicious team Manchester United were almost taken over by Sky back in the 90s sort of time and the government blocked it and they got away with I think 20 % stake and maybe with the caveat that Amazon's Prime video stuff isn't really in any scale comparable to their server tech or obviously the actual website itself they probably think that in the future clubs will be selling their own TV rights so that's probably quite attractive to someone like Jeff Bezos you'd imagine, and then on top of that.

10:26But like you say, it doesn't matter what stake you buy, if you're Jeff Bezos, he is a big voice in a room, isn't he, really? He's a big voice. He's a big white kind of circle on a Zoom call, isn't he? A little bit, yeah.

10:38Marcus Speller: Yeah, but also if you don't update your profile photo, and it has to still wear, that's also Jeff Bezos. That's also Jeff Bezos. Oh, Jeffy B.

10:47Pete Donaldson: So he's 62 now, is Jeff. He's not the... he's got an 8 % stake I think at Amazon he sold a lot of it and he's obviously got tons of fingers in tons of parties tons of tendrils but you would think he's the type of guy who's thinking yeah it's about time I got involved in the world of sport isn't it well he's probably got interest actually you're right there's bits of bit but soccer I think Luke always says every time we talk about the financial side of football Premier League clubs are very very undervalued and also it's a good place to park money in quite volatile times well indeed but you're right And Luke often makes that point, and he's right too, because, again, just to remind everybody, 16 years ago, Liverpool bought for$300 million.

11:28Pete Donaldson: Now the club's valued for$4.5 billion, and there's a reason why 11 of the 20 clubs in the Prem this season have a majority American ownership, because they see... Hot dog! Yeah, hot, diggity doll. I could put my dollarinis in this turd ducking of a club. Exactly. It was a direct quote from at least seven of those ownerships. But you know how big, obviously, NFL teams and blah, blah, blah, blah.

11:54Marcus Speller: But there are only so many of them, aren't there? There's only so many of them.

11:58Pete Donaldson: And also, a lot of the world, NFL is very popular around the world, but it's not like football. Football is the most popular thing on the planet. So this is why this is happening. My concern is, as a lot of people have said before as well, that when you get, is it 14 of the clubs out of the 20, if they agree on certain changes, then sweeping changes can be made in the league. I say sweeping changes, I'm going to do sort of 10 points for a win or something. But, you know, I'm just saying we're not that far away from an all-star Premier League game.

12:34Marcus Speller: Yeah, or we could have, you know, a full program of games on Thanksgiving. Oh, I wouldn't mind that. I wouldn't mind having like a... I mean, it's not like we don't take a couple in November anyway. No, I was about to say.

12:44Pete Donaldson: No. But anyway, that's a conversation for another time because as I say, Bezos coming into Liverpool, they've already got American ownership. There's nothing against Americans because they are American. It is different sporting cultures and so on and so forth. But Liverpool fans, you know, if you think about the, I suppose the, what would be the right word to sort of, the ethos of the club, the feeling of the club, the vast majorities of that club, the history of that club and so on, it's a very working class football club as the vast, vast, vast majority of football clubs are. you can imagine how well this will go down with the fans.

13:15Pete Donaldson: I mean, they've been a bit fed up, to say the least, of the Fenway Sports Group anyway. Now, of course, that has delivered, they have delivered them success. But I mean, really, the success you're looking at is Jurgen Klopp and his team. In the same way, the Glazers can point to the amount of trophies that Manchester United have won a while ago now. It doesn't change the fact that the Glazers are still the Glazers. They run the club in a certain way. FSG have run the club in a certain way. People don't like them. Are we going to see Virgil van Dijk pissing in the street in a bottle. Like Amazon drivers are fast do sometimes.

13:44Pete Donaldson: Oh, is that right? I mean, it would be a hell of a protest, wouldn't it?

13:49Marcus Speller: VVD. And he is the only fit centre-back currently. Yeah. So he might have to just keep going through the night.

13:56Pete Donaldson: Well, I mean, there is that kind of thing. Obviously, Bezos' track record with Amazon employees is rather poor, to say the least. But you mentioned about the direction of travel a minute ago, Vish. Yeah, like, there's no doubt about it in the Premier League. The Premier League has put itself up and all the clubs up for sale for a long time now. We're just seeing this in a very, very stark, sort of brutal kind of way. And when someone like Bezos comes along, you kind of go, yeah, I mean, as if it already wasn't. You go back to Abramovich and Chelsea and so on and so forth. We kid ourselves, I think, a little bit.

14:31Pete Donaldson: But that's the kind of the internal fight for the sort of the soul of football among fans and so on. The fact is, pretty much everything is for sale and more's the pity. but Liverpool fans you know to take one example that some people were reminding big people of in some of these articles was that when FSG tried to like increase things like the food prices and all that in the stadium Liverpool fans banded and said right well let's sod that we're not having that we're going to buy from local vendors and so on and they did and that forced the owners at Liverpool to kind of go ah right okay we're going to have to bring those in exactly so football you know so look Nothing's happened yet.

15:09Pete Donaldson: The deal hasn't even gone through at the time of recording. We're very much expecting it to go through. And who knows? I mean, it seems unlikely and naive to make this point, but who knows? Maybe things just kind of carry on as normal. But if certain things start popping up at that club, I think that is a club with a very, very well-organized and together and famous supporters group. It will be interesting to see if we have some sort of proper battles, if you like, between the fans and the board, which we have seen a bit over the years. Could this intensify? I hope not, for Liverpool fans' sake.

15:46Pete Donaldson: But, you know, just to remind everybody, the fans are way outnumber everybody else, and they do have a voice, you know. But unfortunately, sometimes one has to make sacrifices, and fans don't want to do that, understandably. On the pitch at Liverpool, they've completed the signing of Ronald Oragol on a season-long loan from Barcelona. Barcelona the deal includes an option to buy Vish this has kind of been Going on for a little while with Araujo. What do you think of this one? There was a video that surfaced with Luis Enrique and PSG who when they played Barcelona They were saying he's the weak link apparently.

16:21Marcus Speller: I don't really watch enough La Liga to You know to give you an accurate comment on him, but I mean everything that's been discussed about this move in terms of the profile he occupies or the profile that he fits seems to speak to a lot of deficiencies that Liverpool currently have. So, you know, we mentioned before Van Dijk being the only fit centre-back. Rahul can play right back as well and they don't have very many of those. Conor Bradley's injured. Joe Gromis is still injured as well. You look at him and he's what, six foot four, he's rapid and you're like, I mean, surely that's going to work.

17:01Marcus Speller: That should be fine shouldn't it yeah and yeah the yeah that enrique clip and and also the way other people have spoken about him it feels like though he was the reason that um hansi flick played a high line felt comfortable playing a high line yeah and so if you're also if you're also that player then you know obviously says a lot about you but then you're probably going to be caught out you know just because you're fast and big it doesn't necessarily mean you can cover for everyone else's slackness I suppose but yeah it's an interesting one I'm always a little bit reticent to go all in on anyone signed on a loan first because it really feels like a try before you buy situation even though it is the norm right now in terms of offsetting wages and then getting your money further down the line especially when there are obligations to buy so you're still getting that money but you're not necessarily getting it up front but you lose the wages which is evidently a bigger and bigger issue in modern football but again

17:52Pete Donaldson: Barcelona don't understand how maths works so maybe Liverpool said we can buy him here's you know 50 million is that the same does that say

18:01Marcus Speller: July 2027 on the check no no no

18:05Pete Donaldson: you're confused could be something like that I don't know Vinnie Jr. once called him the best defender I have ever faced he's very strong and very good that's what I mean he's got everything going for him hasn't he I suppose

18:15Marcus Speller: yeah and also everyone against him I feel like some of this stuff is so conflicting I don't even know if Vinicius is being serious there oh I'd hate if he was on my side yeah by the way

18:25Pete Donaldson: I'm going to go to Arsenal. Yeah, goodness knows. But it's a signing, nonetheless. It's a loan signing, Peter. It's a versatile signing of an age that you sort of go, well, that's a finished footballer. He had some mental health struggles last year. Finished article. Finished article. He had some struggles last season. Hopefully, he sort of sees this opportunity as something he can grab with both hands. But he will need to change his hair because it's usually bright blue, isn't it? Yeah, well, that's maybe when he plays for Uruguay, it's blue or sometimes it's blonde. Should he go red? I mean, surely he's going red.

18:53Pete Donaldson: He's got to go red. Has to go red. I think he will I think he will I don't it's my little if there's a betting shop in the land that can let you put a fiver on that I think him having red hair for the first maybe the closer it gets to the end of his lawn contract yeah and an option to buy it goes redder and redder I don't know how it works depending how red his head is like a peacock yeah yeah quite possibly how well he's doing at the club well all eyes on Liverpool with old Jeffy B and co but yeah Araya's going to be there this season alright coming up after this Evangelos Maranakis continues his feud with Crystal Palace.

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21:44Pete Donaldson: This is a question I think I asked last year that you might know the answer of it might not it's all about why don't goalkeepers wear caps anymore all goalies used to wear caps when it was sunny and now we've got global warming allegedly Welcome back to the football ramble everybody

22:00Marcus Speller: He's having a lovely summer Lee Dixon isn't he

22:02Pete Donaldson: Yeah

22:03Marcus Speller: I wonder if he makes it this weather

22:05Pete Donaldson: Would you describe it as global warming is something that's been alleged. Well, some people would. Lee Dixon would. Would he? And he's proved that. I think he... Has it not been proposed, global warming? Some people say it was factually, but it has...

22:20Marcus Speller: I mean, it's climate change because it oscillates, doesn't it? Things are too hot and things get too cold. Indeed.

22:25Pete Donaldson: But I'm just saying you wouldn't allege it, though, would you?

22:26Marcus Speller: No, but I think he said alleged because I wonder if he was on the BBC when he was commentating. Maybe. And I wonder if just the impulse of, oh, fuck. I've said something, yeah. Yeah, true enough. I've said a true opinion.

22:37Pete Donaldson: Yeah. Well, we gave some big opinions on Pete's Film Club, of course, this week when we talked about Golden Shoes. Matthew Skingle on Spotify responded to our review saying this. Just watched Golden Shoes via several AI-dubbed TikToks from 2023, which can only have improved the experience. Pete, how would you respond to that? Yeah, I mean, there is a lot of that sort of thing happening on my algorithm. I get served up a lot of TV shows I've never watched, like House, The Sopranos, like, just the good doctor. I get served quite a lot. I get a lot of Sopranos, but I watch The Sopranos. You watch The Sopranos, so you quite enjoy them, I suppose.

23:15Yeah, I enjoy the clips, but I'm just like, which AI has sliced this up? I mean, to be honest, it does have the vibe, thinking about it, you know those like mini novella kind of, you know those mini, what they're called, like soap operas, that those little tableaus that the Chinese have started doing, where they'll get Western actors to sort of do tiny little Is Eric Roberts involved? It's always Almost certainly It's always a snooty person who works in a shop being a dickhead Music shop? A secret manager coming into the shop and you know and buying something and being mugged off by the snooty manager and then the snooty manager gets fired and they give the clean of the management's job and it's just this kind of like aha you've got to be nice all the time haven't you?

23:59As the communist party just jam their thumb right on top of you

24:02Pete Donaldson: I mean I like the kind of be nice all the time message that says saved by the bell put out there. Right, okay. Don't do drugs. That's not drugs. Have a gigantic picture of one of your school colleagues in your cupboard for sexual gratification. That wasn't Screed, was it? No, that was Kelly Kapowski, I think. What are you talking about? Zach Morris used to have a massive cardboard cutout with Kelly for sexual gratification. Why is that allowed? Hang on, he never said it was sexual gratification. They were going out for most of that show. Were they not? I think they were at the start. when he had the big cover cutout.

24:36No, surely they ended up together. I think that's why I think he did some kind of voodoo on it. Yes.

24:43Marcus Speller: And that's the message from Saved by the Bell. If you like someone, voodoo it.

24:46Pete Donaldson: All I remember from Saved by the Bell is there's no hope with dope. True. I'm so excited. Although, also some certain football clubs may not agree with that. Right, anyway, let's move on from Saved by the Bell chat before any fans of California dreams get jealous. Now, Nottingham Forest and Crystal Palace. Here we go. This is what we came here for today. Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Maranakis is suing Crystal Palace for that banner which was unfurled at Sellers Park by the Palace fans last season depicting Maranakis holding a gun to Morgan Gibbs White's head. That was for sexual gravification.

25:22Pete Donaldson: Well, who knows. As Sky Sports put it, the banner also made lurid and unsubstantiated references to the Greek billionaire's business dealings. Yeah.

25:31Marcus Speller: So I think that Maranakis and Forest are absolutely right to sue Crystal Palace and Crystal Palace are the only people who've made that observation. No one else has lowered themselves to suggest that Morgan Gibbs-White was resigning under duress with the use of a firearm. No one has made that comment. Do not look back at what we said a year ago.

25:56Pete Donaldson: Yeah, I see what you're doing there. There was... Yeah, I remember...

26:02Marcus Speller: Go at Crystal Palace.

26:03Pete Donaldson: Yeah, do the right thing. I mean, obviously that's a bit different, but what you're suggesting, there was...

26:12Marcus Speller: We did it, we did it. Can you delete July the 5th, Rambo? Just have a look on the synopsis here.

26:21Pete Donaldson: Well, no, but some owners can be a bit... So, I mean, I'm happy to name Roman Abramovich here, but I know one journalist who wrote a particular piece about Chelsea.

26:32Marcus Speller: but in a oh Abramovich would litigate all the time yeah

26:35Pete Donaldson: and somebody from the club phoned this and was a bit like look I'm not saying this because I'm threatening you I like you and all the rest of it blah blah blah blah just to let you know Roman is very litigious and if you say anything that he doesn't like even if it's bang on the money he'll just drag you through the courts because he's got the money to do it yeah yeah so

26:58Marcus Speller: lots of people have had that experience and this is no different I think Maranakis When Forrest got promoted to the Premier League, I know someone who was hired as the head of media for the club and sacked within two months because they disagreed with the way they were trying to do something. It very much came from above. Weirdly, his replacement was... Mark Clattenburg. It was in some way already known to Maranakis. Right, OK. Nice.

27:28Pete Donaldson: The defamation claim was lodged in the high school on Monday. The FA did charge Palace 50 grand for this incident, but Big Evange feels that that is not sufficient for what he believes has been global damage to his reputation. So presume... I mean, that's a joke, but presumably they took the banner down as soon as it was unfurled. So I fail to see what actually has... Unless it was displayed right the way through the match. No, no, no, it's not how it works. You can't sort of... Well, the banner was only up for five seconds. Yeah, but it wasn't a club official doing it, was it? It was clearly the fans who had unfurled it.

28:04Pete Donaldson: But someone has to, you know, you've got to police your fans somehow. You can't sort of say, oh, there was a lot of fighting in the stands. It's not really on us. You know, that's for the club. Yeah, but that's something that happens. I mean, I guess bringing something into the ground is a different matter. I don't know how kind of T4s and clubs, you know, maybe they didn't have a rule that they would check out what was being brought in. But you do sort of think that this is a waste of time for Icon to get involved with. Do you not think... I mean, he's saying it's damaged his reputation globally, of course.

28:37I would never carry a Smith & Wesson.

28:42Pete Donaldson: I'm a magnum man. Pete means the ice cream, of course.

28:46Marcus Speller: I'd go for the knees, not the heads.

28:52Marcus Speller: Didn't Lord Ramble make a very good point on the Ramble WhatsApp group? that the fact that it's only just been put to the High Court on Monday is because it's probably been going on for a year and they just haven't found an agreement or settlement between themselves. Maybe. Which is amazing, isn't it? When should we do it? Just maybe do it ten days before the season starts.

29:15Pete Donaldson: Do you think they're also... Maybe they're like... I mean, Glasner might be going, yeah, it has nothing to do with me, mate. I knew the banner was coming. You get it down. They're mugging you off, mate. They're mugging you off. You know what their admin's like? You'll be able to do them all in the court. It's easy peasy.

29:28Marcus Speller: Is that the reason he got Glasner over? Oh, goodness knows. I need you on my side because I want to know what went on with that banner.

29:36Pete Donaldson: Well, Glasner said he repeatedly rejected Forrest's approaches for him after it was confirmed he would leave Palace this summer. We all knew he was going for months. I mean, he hates Palace.

29:50Marcus Speller: This story coming straight after the Maranachis thing of like, no, I didn't hold a gun to his head with Gibbs White.

29:56Pete Donaldson: Yeah, well yeah, because apparently Glasner changed his mind after agreeing to meet Maranakis in Athens at his favourite harbourside restaurant.

30:02Marcus Speller: How do you pick neutral territory? Why are you going to his manor? I mean... Just come for a slap-up meal.

30:07Pete Donaldson: Yeah. You know the kebabs. Come for a lovely meal.

30:09Marcus Speller: I'm just gonna have a root around in the cistern for a bit. Yeah. I'll be back in a minute. I mean, it's just... Enjoy the halloumi. His reputation can't be tarnished by the gun thing because it's just exactly where a deal like that happens, isn't it? In a film, like two gangsters meet up in a beachside restaurant and exchange a fucking, you know, a bag of money. It's great stuff. It's great stuff. He just opened it as well. I'm not saying he did that. It was completely empty. It was completely empty. There were no witnesses. Witnesses. There was no one there. Right next to a body of water. There we go.

30:46Pete Donaldson: Goodness. Gentlemen, I think we should move on from that now Before he comes flying through the door Let's talk about some transfers It's the transfer summer window, Peter It's wide open And people are signing people Like a big yawn Yes, exactly, yeah And out come the players And in go the players Manchester City are closing in on signing Ayub Bouadi from Lille They've agreed personal terms But they are yet to reach an agreement with Lille He's reportedly valued at£85 million Isn't everybody nowadays? Yeah, I think if you are... If you're less than 20 million now in football, you're shit, aren't you?

31:23Pete Donaldson: Yeah. You're like, how much was he? 8 million? Oh, crap. Don't even print the number. No, exactly. Yeah, there's non-knee clubs who will go, well, no, we're not spending 8 million. He's only 8 million. 7 million for an Arsenal midfielder. I obviously don't much, much at French football, but he looks like a lot of fun. He looks proper like quick feet, big guy fun. It feels like a sort of early noughties, mid-teens Manchester City signing. And I'm very much into it. That's nice. I hope Moresca can bring him in because he looks bloody great. Yeah. Why didn't they feel that it was time to bring Paul Pogba back to the Premier League?

32:03Pete Donaldson: Well, he's leaving. Let's have a go at him. Leave him. He's leaving Monaco. He's a free agent by the looks of things. So, you know.

32:11Marcus Speller: Come back. What's going on there? Come back to Manchester Come back Why are you defending Paul Pogba? I wasn't a tag 200 quid on two Pogba shirts When I was a bit drunk Come back Oh there we go Come back and give him The number six again I wasn't having a go

32:24Pete Donaldson: At Pogba by the way No I know

32:26Marcus Speller: I just feel a bit Well you know Let's see where he lands We know where he's going to land One or two places usually At that age You going Turkey or Saudi? Yeah Don't know I thought Monaco Looked like a nice fit

32:37Pete Donaldson: Oh he looks like a lovely fit Yeah For everybody I don't know I don't know One transfer that is nearing completion, as we talk, that has caught my... Jed Spence to Inter. Just loves playing at the back with John Stones, maybe.

32:52Marcus Speller: Is that what it is? That's a lovely touch. He has such a good World Cup. Yeah. And I just... I know I'm into a... Would he not want to stay in the pro and get all that money?

33:03Pete Donaldson: Yeah, but he's at Spurs, though. I wonder if they have to sell, I suppose.

33:10Marcus Speller: Is that what they spend? 200 odd million? They've spent a lot of money. Peter, I do. People's wages are going up as well. So maybe they didn't want to do that with him.

33:16Pete Donaldson: I know you caveated that, and I get your point totally. But it is Inter. Yeah, I know it's Inter. A side who, in a Champions League final the other year, I'm absolutely pumped, but a side who like... You're not going to get the wages, are you? That you get in the Premier League. No, I think, yeah. I think he'll be alright. Yeah, he'll be absolutely fine. He'll be fine. Yeah, but, you know, but... Buy as many jaw protectors as you want. I mean Spence though I think I think that would be a great move for him because he's not guaranteed ridiculously he's not guaranteed a start for Spurs I say ridiculously because of the fullbacks that they have

33:50Marcus Speller: he's not going to start he's not going to start and finish you know the number of games that he would want to at this stage of his career and so he's 26 so I suppose into losing Denzel Dumfries to Real Madrid the fact that it looks like Porro and Destiny Udagi are going to be first choice for Spurs. And then Andy Robertson signed a left back.

34:12Pete Donaldson: Yep.

34:13Marcus Speller: So, yeah, I suppose Porro's World Cup was a bit of a revelation in terms of, I didn't know you could play consistently like that for two months. Yeah. Which is a big, you know, which is a huge boon to Spurs. Yeah. Yeah, maybe, actually. Yeah, fine. He's not a huge... Could be a bit by surprise, but...

34:29Pete Donaldson: Yeah, and he's not on huge money at Spurs. I mean, obviously, you know, he's not on peanuts. No, yeah, true. So I think Inter could match or put out further. But, you know, again, I think this is where we are too Premier League focused because if it was, say, you know, he's moving to... It's when you have those clubs that are massive, but they just don't have the prestige or even the money anymore. You know, you've got the top two or top three in Spain other than that.

34:57Marcus Speller: Well, like Milan rather than Inter. Well, exactly.

35:00Pete Donaldson: Yeah, you don't even have to go outside. You know, you think about, you know, a club like Lazio or Roma or something like that. And you think, yeah, why would he necessarily go there? But Inter are still Inter. They are the big boys. It would be a great move.

35:11Marcus Speller: Especially if it feels like, from what I've seen of Serie A over the last few years, attacking full-backs are so much more prominent. Yes. Because the wide forwards are often much more narrow. And he's outstanding at that without necessarily losing anything at the back.

35:28Pete Donaldson: Yeah, it's an exciting move. As I say, he's moving to a club who will be challenging for the Serie A title next season, or this season, should I say, and are an outside bet to do something pretty good in the Champions League as well, you're not going to get either of those things at Spurs. Yeah. Because they don't play in Serie A. Crucially. Sit down, Spurs fan. I'm not mugging you off. Well, anyway, we'll see how that transpires. Brennan Johnson, former Spurs man, has joined Everton in a swap deal for Dwight McNeil, who heads to Crystal Palace. I mean, what on earth? What's happening here? Brennan can't find a home netball.

36:03Pete Donaldson: What is this? Throwback of a swap deal. Yeah. I do like a swap deal. When was the last time there was a bloody,

36:07Marcus Speller: good old, proper British bloody swap deal? Right. You've got one now, baby girl. Who's got the better end of that deal?

36:14Pete Donaldson: I think Palace have. Yeah.

36:15Marcus Speller: Okay. Only because if they did Palace...

36:20Pete Donaldson: The reason why I'm quite sure Palace have is because Everton, I don't think, wanted Dwight McNeil to go, but he nearly left for Palace, didn't he, if you remember? Yeah. And then at last minute it didn't happen, and Everton were like, come back, you're still one of us and so on and so forth. Now it's happened. Brennan Johnson was signed with quite big money from Palace recently and they've offloaded him pretty quickly.

36:42Marcus Speller: This stupid signing. Well, I mean, Luke said at the time, he was like,

36:47Pete Donaldson: I think Brennan Johnson's actually very overrated and Palace obviously agree with that.

36:52Marcus Speller: Yeah. I suppose, yeah, if McNeil wants to leave, then fine, you're getting a replacement in straight away. I mean McNeil's they're completely different players to me McNeil's much better on the ball he you know has can occupy positions in the middle Brennan Johnson is just a wide forward who runs in straight lines yeah

37:12Pete Donaldson: but scored a winning goal in a Europa League final lest we forget yeah he did

37:16Marcus Speller: and he'll always have that but I hope it works out for him because it feels like the player that he was supposed to be developing into at Forest he feels a long way away from that that kind of forward

37:28Pete Donaldson: I mean, there was a time, of course, where he was scoring goals for Spurs. You know, it was Brennan Johnson at the back post was the line. Always at the back post. Yeah, totally. But do you feel, though, that, again, we often talk about, is he a Moyes type player? Is David Moyes, we know the type of football he likes to play, if a player is maybe not as functional as they should be, and this is no disrespect to David Moyes. I know it's going to sound like that. But again, let's remember how most clubs play, how most managers operate. Moise is at a higher end of that kind of chat where if you can get a player playing functionally with Brennan Johnson, doing his doggies, putting a shift in, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then you encourage him and you develop that side of him popping up in space at the back post, which for most clubs is vital because if he's getting, say, 10, 12 goals a season doing that, that's a lovely old job.

38:18Pete Donaldson: So I think there's something there. If anyone can get it right, you would imagine if you're going to choose out of every Premier League club. That manager works for him at this point in his career. But he needs to kick on. Well, he does, but I think you would think and hope that Moyes is the type of manager because going to a club like Spurs, it's a funny one because of what the fan says, the ethos at the club and so on. Sorry to say it, but the stadium, the fact they were in the Champions League, blah, blah, blah. There's a lot of bells and whistles there. But as we've seen in the Premier League, when it comes to actually getting results, actually playing football.

38:56Pete Donaldson: You know, the 17th, for crying out loud, two seasons in a row, is unbelievably poor. So you can say, oh, well, actually, is Brendan Johnson this kind of flash-flary player that's going to score a lot of goals and so on? Well, maybe, maybe not, because, again, at Spurs, it's a bit of a funny one. I think at Everton, he'd have more of a chance to develop and play well. So I sincerely hope he does.

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41:02Pete Donaldson: Chaps, we've got some proper football tonight. We have, yeah. We can talk about transfers. We can talk about how the Premier League's going to go. The BBC ran with the title, Does It Matter?

41:11Marcus Speller: That was interesting. If you have to ask the question, you probably know the answer.

41:17Pete Donaldson: Now, I know the word super is grossly overused as a replacement for the word very these days. Yeah, true. But this use of super was used way before all that kind of stuff. Can you seriously question a cup that is called a super cup, Peter? Oh, it's one in the eye for FIFA, certainly, this time after that welcome. The FIFA super cup. Yeah. Seferins a lot. Yes, indeed. Well, this is happening tonight at 8pm. It's Paris Saint-Germain versus Aston Villa, everybody. And yet another trophy is up for grabs for Aston Villa. Another European trophy as well. And it's going to be quite the night because a 90 % solar eclipse will be visible in Salzburg 45 minutes before kickoff if Aston Villa can win this, Vish.

42:05Pete Donaldson: Will they have a total eclipse of the heart for an iMRI?

42:11Marcus Speller: Is total eclipse of the heart a good thing?

42:13Pete Donaldson: Yeah, I did question that as I said Now I'm only falling apart But surely a heart would just be a bigger heart getting in front of it Yeah, exactly Would it matter? Not necessarily No, no, no, it is, yeah, Pete's right The sun and the moon, isn't it? Yeah, okay What's bigger than the sun and the moon, isn't it? I don't really know I hate space The sun is bigger than the moon The sun is bigger than the moon, is it? Right, okay, good Honestly, space leaves me, quite fittingly, cold Yeah Can't be arsed with it.

42:43Marcus Speller: No one can hear you scream. No one can hear you scream, exactly.

42:46Pete Donaldson: What's bigger, the chicken or the egg? Well, PSG versus Aston Villa tonight. Luca Dean has left Aston Villa to join PSG. He obviously thinks he's got more chance of winning the Super Cup with PSG. Maybe, yeah. So he's gone there, the little turncoat. This is, talking about transfer fees, this is a throwback. PSG activated his release clause in his contract. Now, release clauses, I understand Luca Dean's not like, he's not Neymar for crying out loud back in the day. but he's an important player he's international, we saw him at the World Cup did we not? They activated an 8.5 million release clause That's just really bad admin Who's done that?

43:23Marcus Speller: Why did you put everyone's going for 85 million? Why have you put the decimal point there? Did they get John Gregory to do the release clause on that?

43:30Pete Donaldson: Why is that such a throwback? What is a man worth? 8.5 million, no one's going to pay that 8.5 million

43:37Marcus Speller: No one's going to pay 8.5 for Luke 18

43:40Pete Donaldson: He was starting games for France at the World Cup Bloody ridiculous Is it just kind of like We're a stepping stone club So we're not going to put your 8.5 seems particularly low

43:52Marcus Speller: Not even you'd make that No Not even I don't understand it at all I wonder how much of that though Is based We don't actually know which clause it was It is a release clause sure But it might be dependent on who comes in for you Yeah to a French club Yeah yeah so that might that might be a PSG only price we just don't know yeah it was like you're not gonna get PSG coming for you yeah alright mate PSG coming for you 8.5 million yeah but the but this you can fold into I suppose the general annoyance at Villa of progressing steadily and then having to be like right okay what rules do we need to adhere to now what is the next thing that's gonna happen to us and I appreciate this deal happened a couple of months ago.

44:39But, yeah.

44:41Marcus Speller: I mean, probably, like, they are able to cover for his loss, but he certainly was very important in terms of his, I suppose, his distribution and ability from out wide on the left. But, I mean, they're going to...

44:55Pete Donaldson: They've lost a few players. I mean, it's their first game.

44:56Marcus Speller: They've lost loads of players.

44:57Pete Donaldson: The first competitor game without Luka Dinier, Morgan Rodgers and Yuri Tieler moments. And they're going to start this match with a lot of World Cup absences as well. There's still a few players. still a few players

45:07Marcus Speller: Martinez, Contra and Watkins have got a month off Watkins not done anything Watkins just sat on the bench 10 minutes against was it Panama? travelling around the US though it's hard isn't it yeah true enough and Arnaud is out until the new year but they do have

45:20Pete Donaldson: Alejandro Garnacho

45:21Marcus Speller: again we can add that to things aren't going well I'd give him an 8.5 release clause right now poor bastard what is he gonna oh no Joel Gomez he's in there he's close that's better isn't it that's a brilliant signing that's a bit better he would have been lovely alongside Yuriti Levins, wouldn't he? Would have been.

45:38Pete Donaldson: Would have been. Maybe he thought himself.

45:41Marcus Speller: Yeah.

45:41Pete Donaldson: Who am I going to be playing alongside? Ah, just watch the Europa League final. Are they all going to be there? Yeah, maybe. And their record signing, Johan Manzami, will miss the game with a knee injury as well. So yeah, Super Cup glory does seem quite a stretch for Villa, but you know what, Peter? That's never stopped me before. I'm backing them. You're backing them? Yeah. Right. On pens. There's no extra time, is there? There's no extra time now. No, no, no. Filler on pens. Alright, fine. Do what Arsenal couldn't do. Do it. Alright.

46:11Marcus Speller: It'd be meaningless, obviously. It's not meaningless, it's a proper trophy. I'm gonna go for PSG, not on pens. Oh, really?

46:20Pete Donaldson: Get it done in the 90.

46:21Marcus Speller: How many times has Emery lost this game? I think this could potentially be the fifth, couldn't it?

46:25Pete Donaldson: Oh, because obviously he's always the Europa League winner, isn't he? And it's never very rarely won by the Europa League winner. Because the Super Cup back in the day, when it was the UEFA Cup, The UEFA Cup, you could have argued, at various points, had very similar or almost equal quality to the Champions League.

46:45Marcus Speller: Because you had to win or finish second.

46:47Pete Donaldson: Yeah, so, because back in the day, the Champions League, or the European Cup, was the winners of all the leagues around Europe, right? So you had one team in there. The UEFA Cup would therefore, you'd have the second and sometimes third place teams. so you would have two or three Italian Spanish German English sides in there whereas you'd say well you know are the champions of say Czech Republic or Hungary or whatever are they as good as say like Inter or you know Marseille or whatever who are in the cup so when you had the Super Cup which was the UEFA Cup winners against the European Cup it was more keenly to be tested when you see some of the Super Cups now you kind of think it's a bit of a mismatch, you know.

47:31Marcus Speller: Yeah, yeah. No, I totally agree. So it's going to be, it's the fourth time Emery's going for the Super Cup.

47:37Pete Donaldson: And he's not won it.

47:38Marcus Speller: He's not won it.

47:38Pete Donaldson: Well, tonight is going to be different. He was speaking big in an interview recently. He was like, to put it to him about all these transfers that have, you know, left the club and so on. He was like, no, no, no, we're right in there. And I thought, yeah, good man.

47:51Marcus Speller: You've got to be optimistic, haven't you? Well, no, but he was not at the stage where...

47:53Pete Donaldson: He was particularly optimistic, I think, in some of the quotes.

47:56Marcus Speller: Yeah, and he's not at the stage where the board haven't necessarily not given him the backing, or he's certainly not a stage where he would feel downbeat by what's going on, because it's only just started happening in the last year, 18 months or so. He might be in a year's time. He might get to a similar position that Glasner got with Palace or that Eddie Howe got with Newcastle. It happens quite quickly, doesn't it? Possibly.

48:22Pete Donaldson: There are a few weeks of the window left, then. It's true. Maybe he could get involved.

48:26Marcus Speller: If they sign someone, they fucking get injured, don't they?

48:28Pete Donaldson: Yeah, indeed, indeed. I want to finish the show by talking about Ollie Watkins' old club, Exeter City. Not a link. Yeah. The Carabao Cup first round, of course, has been going on. And Plymouth Argyle beat Exeter City in the Devon Derby on Monday night. Creamy.

48:52Creamy Devon Derby.

48:54Pete Donaldson: Yes, lovely and clotted. Ethan Sutherland, on loan from Wolves, was sent off for Exeter on his debut. Yeah. Less than nine hours after signing for the club. Then Alex Hattridge, an Exeter City Academy graduate with over 150 appearances for the club, scored the winning goal for Plymouth on his debut, having gone there. Yeah. The second Plymouth goal was a calamitous omni-shambles of defensive errors, which if you haven't seen it, I recommend you do. So many chances to cut that ball out. So many chances. But like how much was the clotted cream on their faces? Or should I say Plymouth Argyle got, you know, with the cat that got the clotted cream, Peter?

49:35Marcus Speller: Was it jam first or were they jam second? There's a good point actually, yeah. They are. Jam everywhere.

49:39Pete Donaldson: Jam on the hand. Because I prefer the Cornish way, which is jam first, cream second. Because you can spread the jam. Yeah.

49:46Marcus Speller: Yeah, but you know when you're mixing your sense.

49:48Pete Donaldson: And Queen Elizabeth II, she also preferred it that way. Right. Because you bite into the cream first. you hit the cream the cream hits you first and then you get the jam where it's like Devon I believe is the other way around producer Rory can you check that he's shaking his head though you prefer the Devon method Bruno what you're saying he hasn't got a clue cream first so they prefer the Devon method I just don't know how you put the jam on top of cream it's not a stable you dollop it don't you yeah and that's just too much jam it's nonsense yeah the endless argument rages on of course in that part of the world Let's get on to the pasties

50:25Marcus Speller: First they came for the pasties And I said nothing The Plymouth one How have you made this meet so great?

50:32Pete Donaldson: I just don't know It's magic Peter, do you want to talk about Cristiano Ronaldo getting married? Fuck no No? Okay Maybe something for uncut Imagine how tasteful that would be Yeah Listen to uncut Really white Yeah

50:46Marcus Speller: Yeah, his son would be dressed up as a mini-me In the same kind of wedding garb who do you reckon the invite would Piers Morgan have been there do you think oh my goodness Piers Morgan Piers Morgan would have given Ronaldo away Piers Morgan will be it'll be a media blackout there'll be nothing released and soon the millisecond that that that embargo ends he's gonna be right out of the traps post some pictures of him at Cristiano Ronaldo's wedding yeah and if he's not gone that's just embarrassing yeah

51:17Pete Donaldson: and did he say will you Cristiano Ronaldo I will Did you say that? Because obviously people often say I do. You don't say I do, actually. You say I will.

51:27Marcus Speller: Oh, do you? Do you?

51:28Pete Donaldson: I will, I do. What did you say, Mitch? What's the difference?

51:31Marcus Speller: I think I said I will, yeah. Yeah, I did as well. What's the difference? I will and I do. Pete, what would you say? No, I wouldn't. I'll take over and get at this point. I'd rather keep the money.

51:41Pete Donaldson: All right, everybody. Thanks for listening to the Football Ramble part of the Egg Girls Creator Network. Pardon? I don't have any money. Spent it all on eBay purchases again. I don't have any money.

51:50Marcus Speller: she actually likes me

51:55Pete Donaldson: we'll be back tomorrow with another very special guest for the final episode of our summer series thank you very much Pete Donaldson goodbye everybody thank you with us and for our show cheers and no thank you Evangelos Maranakis

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