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3:34Luke Moore: 54-46 is still my number, everybody. Welcome to the Football Ramble! Chelsea love goals at Newcastle impressed again. It's Monday 31st of August. I'm Marcus Speller. I'm Richard Keyes. And I'm Jim Campbell. Unleashed.

3:58Luke Moore: Lou Keys in the pod. Lou Keys on the pod. Everybody now. Lou Keys on the pod. Lou Keys on the pod. Hey. Am I the only person that sings along with themselves? Well, you had to because Jim didn't sing. He's not got the enthusiasm. I joined in eventually. You subbed in for Jim. I've been off in a very, very deep depression because of Richard Keys and Andy Gray's On Leash, new podcast.

4:22Jim Campbell: Yeah, because we're going to have to watch it, aren't we? We're just going to be dragged towards it. It's going to take all our lunch money. It's going to take all our audience.

4:29Luke Moore: Well, everybody, the big news is, of course, Luke Moore is back. The banter is back. As if it went away. Lord's banter, isn't it? You can be. Are you defrocking me now, Ian? You're taking away my lord shit. Not in front of the listeners. I defrock you. My goodness. Am I still Lord or not? I would save that for a country lane. Yes, you are. Yes, you very much are. And it's lovely to have you back. And again, Luke Moore, the Premier League delivers. Yes, it does. It does deliver. Okay, there's so many people saying, oh, I want international football back. Well, I hear you. But for now, we've got this muck.

5:02Luke Moore: And it's good muck, you have to say. We're going to start with Chelsea 4, Brighton 3. Brighton and Hove Albion, of course, to give them their full name. Let's not forget Hove. Yeah, they get missed out a lot. Hove are a Premier League town. They are, they are. They get left out of it all the time. They are as left out as Wales are in the international cricket scene. They are. Because it's England and Wales. Exactly. People forget. I didn't even know that. I didn't even know it! Jim, Jim, Jules Holland there everyone? No! It's England and Wales! Jim, you used to live down that way. Is Hove making a big contribution, do you know?

5:35To be honest, I've got no idea.

5:37Jim Campbell: It's just a bit further along in the same place, realistically. It's the training centre at academies in Lansing, of course. Right. In Sussex. Yeah. But is the stadium... The stadium is in Falber, isn't it? Is that part of Hove? No, I don't think it is. I don't think so. So I'd like to really get to the bottom... Yes. ...of what Hove are bringing to the table. 100%. Yeah, fair enough. Let us know, Brian and Hove fans. Outside of Arsenal, Jim, do you have any interest? Yeah. Let's see. I lived there a long time ago, and I never really went to Hove. Really? So I wasn't, you know, I wasn't fucking vox-popping people, asking about Ho's contribution to the local football team, was I?

6:11Jim Campbell: Okay. He's no longer there.

6:13Luke Moore: Had you have been, you'd have been able to answer Luke's question. You're prepared to fail. I'm used to being disappointed with my co-host on the show. Don't worry about it. Well, today's no different. But Chelsea 4, Brighton, and... What a game! The other bit, three. Yeah, what a game. What a game it was. You have to give credit where credit's due with Chelsea. They've got a great kit. Yes, they have. They've got a swashbuckling team who are good to watch. And they've also got a banner with Mr. Alonso's face in it, which says, not too shabby. That's nice. Yeah, it's good. Let's bet there are the banners, isn't it?

6:42Luke Moore: Yeah, drag the legend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you changing your perception of Chelsea? No, absolutely not. I won't do that. I told you, that's not on the cards for me. But you've tipped them for the title. I like that banner. I've not seen it personally, but I like it. But you've tipped them for the title. I have. And therefore, you would like it if they won the title because we all like to be proved right, don't we? Well, I'm worried, well, I'm worried for them defensively. they've conceded quite a few goals already but it might well be that not too shabby is taking his time to tweak and tinker and work out what's going to go on the field

7:16Jim Campbell: we've been doing this show a long time and I think he'll look at that I think he will too I think he goes no more goals up the other end

7:23Luke Moore: because you know what if he does that I think that's it played two, scored seven conceded five they are a team for the neutrals They are a team for the neutrals this season. I think they've been great to watch. I think that what he's done instantly, you have to say this, instantly he's got that front three looking irresistibly good. And I think, you know, João Pedro had a good season last season. He's obviously a very good player. He's hit the ground running this season as well. Morgan Rodgers looks to the man of Bourne instantly. Oh, he looks like he's going to be a phenom. And the big chat, I think you're right.

7:58I think you're right to use that word, Jim. I think ordinarily I would urge caution on those types of superlatives. But I think you've delivered it with a plumb.

8:04Luke Moore: I'd encourage you to use the full word. Yeah. Ah, okay. Because then you start to, that starts to make you feel a bit like the original Ronaldo. Yeah, and we've only got so much time. Yes, but I am old-fashioned. You are. We know that. Yeah. We absolutely know that. That does not need reiterating. Exactly. We absolutely know that. Oh, I see. Yeah. And then Cole Palmer, the chat has been for what, a year to 18 months that he's carrying this kind of chronic injury. And it doesn't appear to be the case. I mean, his goal at the weekend was sensational. Yeah, really good. And he was brilliant in the first game as well.

8:34Like, really lively. Really, I mean, technically so good. So, look, it's all good for them going forward. At the back, they have a series of defenders that no one recognises. They have a bunch of players that no one knows who they are. They bring a goalkeeper in literally 10 minutes before the game. He concedes three, despite making some good saves as well. And the final thing I wanted to say before I chuck over to Jim is that what was also remarkable about it was that Chelsea had something like 25 % possession. They still scored four goals. That is surprising. They were very content to let Brighton have the ball.

9:09Jim Campbell: 25.9 % possession according to the BBC. And it worked. I think, yeah. I'm surprised that the possession was so low, but I think probably the reason that it doesn't feel like it was is because they kind of move with such zip when they win the ball back. And in that first half an hour, obviously, it ends with them 3-0 up. but aside from that they really did look like they could score every time they went forward and obviously three of those times they managed to do it and you're thinking wow this is some scintillating stuff obviously you know conceding three goals in the game based on how the first half went was quite surprising I mean the first Brighton's first goal was fantastic what a hit that was like really really good

9:48Luke Moore: from Yaukui finally making his first start in the Premier League for Brighton because he was signed in 2024 wow he's been out on loan for a couple of seasons He rifled it. He was at Swansea City, I think, last season. Right, he rifled that in. Very, sorry Jim, to cut in, I feel this needs to be said, very enjoyable hairline for a man who's 20. Yeah. Because when I heard he was 20, I was like, I mean, he's playing like he is 20 because he was everywhere. He would switch the ball to the other wing and then he'd collect it. It was just ridiculous. That didn't happen. That didn't happen. Jim, don't listen to that.

10:19Luke Moore: That's nonsense. He was absolutely everywhere. And I thought to myself, it gives me a bit of hope as a middle-aged man to think, you I don't know. See you in there. I can do that. What? Gives you a little bit of hope as someone who's literally twice his age and a bit more. But he looks... If you look at the hairline you think, oh he's... I'd like to expand this out. What's going on with hairlines generally at Brighton? Hurtler comes out with that nonsense. Oh yeah.

10:39Jim Campbell: I bet that's what this is. He's a teacher's pet. He's like, oh my hair's unusual as well. I'll do it. I'll do it.

10:45Luke Moore: Or is it contagious? It could be contagious. You get pulled, you get called up. That is something we don't know. And before you know it bang, the hair goes. Yeah, that is a fair point. But it was a lovely goal. That's why Mancini got out of the dugout of Man City as quickly as possible. Pellegrini as well. Hairy men and then Guardiola. What's it got to do in Man City?

11:00Jim Campbell: If you're in Hove, look out.

11:01Luke Moore: Yeah, absolutely. Always look out. He rifled that goal. It was a beautiful finish. It was a wonderful finish. And you would never know. It was his Premier League debut. That was kind of like Wayne Rooney in his pomp type finish. Brilliant. It was. Any love for a Pascal Gross power header as well? Oh, lovely stuff. You love Pascal Gross. I do. And I also love a power header. Yes. Very different from a normal header. A power header is where you are quite some distance out and you have to generate the power yourself. Cristiano Ronaldo has always been very good at it.

11:27Jim Campbell: But it was, there was a real kind of grown-up quality to the way he headed the ball. It was. It was like he was... A dad. Yeah, it was like he was popping something on the top shelf. He was, it was a dad header. Just let me dunk that up there.

11:39Luke Moore: I'll keep us in the game, even if it is for another minute or two. Yeah, Emi Martinez on his Chelsea debut. He's conceded three goals already. Do they have to turn back to Robert Sanchez? I hope so. yeah that's enough from you thank you very much I felt bad for Robert Sanchez none of the goals for Amy Martin is his fault no and you made some good saves as well I feel bad for Robert Sanchez not because I think he's a good keeper he isn't but because he's been hammered over and over again for quite a long time it's a lonely position isn't it yeah and no one's really done anything about it until now everyone's just been like ah it's fine but the way it's been done it's as if Jabby Alonso said alright fine let's see how you get on this seat right okay

12:22Jim Campbell: You have to make it to the end of the window. I've given you that, but you've got to make it to the end of the window.

12:27Luke Moore: First game of the season and then bang, in comes Emi Martinez.

12:30Jim Campbell: Yeah.

12:30Luke Moore: And Emi Martinez is not going to give up that number one shoot anytime soon. So poor old Robbie. He's a huge get for them, I think. I think he's as well. I mean, look, all things considered, you've got an oven ready Premier League goalkeeper. Really commanding one as well. Yeah, I think it's... You know, with a long... Good guy as well? He distanced himself from that Malvinas banner. Did he? Okay, in which case, I didn't know that. That's the first good thing he's ever done in his life. He got stick in Argentina by certain people. For doing that. For not getting involved with that banner. You see, what I've noticed, I mean, you guys have mentioned this, but I've not been on the show yet this season, so I want to have my say as well.

13:10It's fucking hilarious that Valentin Barco and Enzo Fernandez are such cunts that even Chelsea fans are booed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chelsea fans are booing. It's so good. It is. It really is. Berns Embarco, who no one really knew who he was until about a month ago, is getting booed on his debut from his own fans.

13:30Jim Campbell: And fans of his former club. Yeah, I know. Great little turn of events. Yeah. It was a very, very entertaining game for about a thousand

13:37Luke Moore: different reasons. There was the João Pedro little subplot as well. Yeah, subplot as well. Well, yeah, I mean, it was a pretty obvious plot, of course. But I tell you what, when he brought that one down where he side-footed it wide, it would have been such a great goal. It turned out to be a terrible miss. Well, it was an awful miss, but you can see totally what he was doing. Everything was so composed. And even as the ball was about to flash past the post, I remember going, oh, what a gorgeous fit. Oh dear. And the away fans certainly appreciate it.

14:05Jim Campbell: But then he gets his goal and he points to the world champions badge. No, he was honourable. He didn't celebrate in front of his hand. My favourite thing about this whole thing is that in this kind of maelstrom of chaos and ex-players here and ex-players there, everybody loves Danny Welbeck. Yes. What I loved about Pedro Jim was that he compromised with the Brighton fans and said, all right, I'll score a lone goal as well. Yeah, exactly. You get a bit from me, I get a bit from you and you'll move on.

14:32Luke Moore: Just remember, we have an away fixture there. True, exactly. But a good win for Chelsea. I do think, I said before the season started, I think they'll be real contenders this year. I was a bit mischievous This is my prediction for the win in the title. But I do think if Alonso can get them, you know, a little bit more organized, that may not be how he wants to play. He might want to play in a way it says that, be damned, damn it all. We're going to, we're going to just go, we're going to go forward and we're going to attack. I don't suspect he will do that. I don't either. But if he can get them a bit more organized, I just think when it starts to get thick and fast, Christmas into January through the stretch at the end of the season, they're just not going to have any other priorities.

15:08And that's going to be a massive, It's going to have a massive effect. I wouldn't be surprised if them, Arsenal and City have a big shootout towards the end of the season. I think it could be really interesting.

15:20Jim Campbell: I think in terms of getting that defence in shape, Martinez is going to be a big factor there as well. He knows how to organise a defence. Not based on yesterday. Yeah, but it's like, you know. He doesn't know their names. He doesn't know where they sit. He doesn't know what job they do.

15:30Luke Moore: You've also got Lacroix in there who's new to the team. I mean, I know the son of a little while ago. He's a good signing. Also as well, you would imagine when Moises Caissada comes back, he'll give a little bit more protection there as well. I mean, you've got Marco Palestra, who everyone fancied being one of the wingbacks, and I know wingback is not an issue here necessarily, but that does add to the defence somewhat. Oh, they've got a really deep squad for three competitions. And of course, in time, they can also call on Jordan Henderson. How's his broken arm getting on? Well, as I said, when I was at Craven Cottons, he was clattering around the canteen at Chelsea, he was just haplessly breaking other things.

16:05He wasn't clattering on. Ah, Custis! This is the first time Custis has been mentioned on a podcast. It is!

16:12Luke Moore: Not even the main Custis! Not even. No. Oh dear. He... Henderson, I don't know. He was out of the sling. Oh, is he? Okay. At Craven Cottage. Okay. So he was with the squad. Yeah. He's a good guy to have around. He is, apparently. But he wasn't playing. He wasn't playing. No. So there we are. Carlo Manchelotti sat next to Thomas Tuchel at this game. Carlo Manchelotti looking at Joao Pedro thinking, I could have had him at the World Cup. Didn't want him. Yeah, Thomas Tuchel looking at Cole Palmer thinking I could have had him. I'd rather have Instagram's Neymar instead. Or TikTok's Neymar instead.

16:46Luke Moore: Yes, indeed, Jay. Get him on loan from TikTok. Get him on loan from his... For one game. From his sister. All right, let's move on. Liverpool 2, Nottingham Forest 2. Jim, you fancied this to be a barn burner. Yep, I think it was. Barnes were sizzling. Yeah, they were. It was a good game. You predicted it, Jim, and I think you were proven to be spot on. Well done, Jimbo.

17:04Jim Campbell: I mean, it had all the ingredients, didn't it? All credit to Jim. It wasn't surprising. Yeah, exactly. You're welcome, Liverpool and Forrest, for your point. Yeah, I thought it was a lot of interesting stuff in this game. I thought the thing that really stood out to me, actually, in the first half in particular was Jeremy Jacquet, who looks just absolutely ready to step in and be a first teamer there and be a sort of a reference point. He made some really, really crucial blocks in that first half.

17:28Luke Moore: Even in pre-season.

17:29Jim Campbell: Very impressed with him.

17:30Luke Moore: In pre-season, Liverpool fans were impressed that they were singing his name and so on. It looked like he immediately settled there. it was difficult for him wasn't it because he got an injury straight away it's been a long time coming back and I think it's almost you do find that with players who sign for big clubs they start off injured and it's not going well you're kind of crying out for them and then that puts a lot of pressure on him but I do think he started well I think him and Arako are pretty good gets I think Arako's a good get for them as well

17:58Jim Campbell: got booked almost immediately which is what we want to see from him he's not looked great but in my mind he's a really good player so we'll see how long that lasts

18:06Luke Moore: Yeah, I'm confused how to pronounce his name because you're going Araujo. Yeah, what would you say? I thought it was Araujo. Araujo. It doesn't matter. We're not the type of podcast that cares about pronunciation of players' names. I just wanted the listeners to know who you're talking about. For example, I thought Morogo and Guybes White played well. Right.

18:24Luke Moore: Well... And Conor. Yes. And I can't be bothered going on the Isaac. Do you think... What was I going to say though? We're talking about Liverpool defence there. No, I'm not finished with this yet. did you think Alexius Makalaista played well I didn't see him he was alright he's not been that good actually has he carry on World Cup hangover the full backs at Liverpool Frenpong and Kerkic yeah they've been there a little while now and again I know it's kind of you're the right players off even after a season kind of thing but I don't Kerkic just doesn't has not looked the same since he left Bournemouth no and again early days under Iriola at some point they're going to need a bit more from him aren't they and also

19:08Jim Campbell: and Frimpong as well but Frimpong was not previously managed by Rourke there were points where Forrest seemed very happy to let Frimpong have the ball yeah which is not great is it and I know he's had

19:16Luke Moore: huge shoes to fill but that's what makes it look worse because a big cultural touch point for Liverpool during that period of success under Klopp has been the quality they had in Alexander-Arne and Robertson and so they're big shoes to fill I think Liverpool look quite a lot short quite a lot of players or quite a lot of quality short in the back end of the pitch to be honest I think Alisson made a fucking unbelievable save absolutely world class but he doesn't quite look as good as he was overall that was an amazing save by the way you can't take it away from him but overall I don't think he looks quite as good as he was I think Jacquet has been decent but they don't look comfortable at the back I think the other thing you would say typified them when they won under slot would be the players that sat in front of the back four were solid.

20:06McAllister was one of them. He looks like the game, I mean, he just looks like the game's completely fucking gone away from him now. He hasn't been good for Liverpool for ages and he wasn't good again against Forest. And he obviously got subbed off.

20:18Luke Moore: I think, yeah, just to jump in, you want to sort of say, look, it's early days, there's a new manager and so on. But it was happening last season as well, which is the concern. But look at how, absolutely, but look at how quickly Alonso has affected Chelsea going forward, right? Look, they're getting in shootouts and they're coming on the right side of them and they can't go through the whole season having shootouts every week and hoping they'll win them. But going forward, they instantly look good. They click straight away. And these are players who've, in one case, who's come in weeks ago rather than years ago.

20:50Liverpool don't quite look fluid and I think they all look a little bit tentative and at the back, it's not great. I think Gravenberch, McAllister, Graham Butch was good last season probably one of their only good outfield players last season him and Sir Bozlai really Sir Bozlai again bit of a Swiss Army knife he's one of their best players but he plays all over the place they haven't got he hasn't nailed down a position but there were some positive it's great for Izak to score that was a good goal Munoz's goal was a beauty although it was deflected he's really exciting he looks good but Izak himself though again

21:22Luke Moore: I think that Iroyola's going to come under a lot of pressure quite quickly if these performances don't really improve because it will feel like a continuation of last season. And people might say that's unfair. I'm not saying whether it's fair or not. It's just the inevitability of it. Again, early days, this is a huge job for Iriola. They've got the Champions League starting in about 20 minutes time or whatever. So there's a lot going on here. And of course, he should be given time because he's an excellent coach and they've got some decent players. Oh yeah, and he will be given time, yeah. Yeah, indeed.

21:53Luke Moore: Yeah, I think that some of the areas on the pitch, there are concerns still. I also think the Gatko situation is a non-situation.

22:01Jim Campbell: Yeah, I'm really surprised by that because, I mean, his ball through to Izak was huge, right? What's mad is, Jimmy, he's been someone who's been linked with a move away for a while. They've obviously wanted to improve upon him, upgrade him.

22:12Luke Moore: Yeah, he has a really good... Yeah, cool, but I mean, Barker can play... I mean, it depends where you think Barker is going to play.

22:20Jim Campbell: Barker will play on the left, I would think. Sure, but he can also play on the right. And the point is, that's beside the point. The point I'm making is that they wanted to upgrade Gakpo, right? They said they wanted to upgrade him for a while, long before the Barclay thing came along. He had a decent World Cup, scored three goals. I think he assisted one as well. He's had a goal and assist in his first two games in the Premier League and looked really good. And now he's gone to Man City, one of the biggest rivals. I'm surprised. It's probably just about balancing the books, isn't it? Because they're spending so much on Barclay.

22:47Jim Campbell: Yeah, I'm as surprised by it as you are. I would also argue that I think the penalty was bullshit. like not a penalty. I liked it. Really? Yeah, I'll tell you why I liked it. A couple of reasons. One is because if someone plays a pass away in the middle of the pitch and someone comes in that late, it's 100 % a foul and probably a book in and goalkeepers never get punished for it at all. And the second point is that goalkeepers do that all the time and it's never picked up on because it seems that the collective football watching public just goes to where the ball is because the shot gets off. You shouldn't not get punished just because the forward gets a shot off.

23:28Well, I feel, to me, it's a foul. It is a foul. It is a foul.

23:31Luke Moore: So, Jim, your... So, did you think there was contact with Alisson and you can see how that was a foul?

23:36Jim Campbell: Well, I think it's a reasonable amount of contact to make when going for that ball and he gets the shot off first. I think it's...

23:43Luke Moore: So, does it matter where the ball ends up for you? Because sometimes people take that, I'm not saying it is for you, but sometimes that is taken into consideration. Not so much because he's got his shot away. Well, because, but if that shot, say, comes back off the post, I understand it didn't. So this is why the law, you know, do you wait to see where the ball goes? I mean, you can play off and see if there's an advantage because clearly if he scores, you know, if he knocks it over to goalkeeper scoring, he's not going to give a penalty. But if the ball, say, came back off the post and he's not there to get the rebound, you then go, hmm, that's probably a foul.

24:11Luke Moore: There was a similar incident or a similar, well, actually, it was the commentator who said it. I think it was in, ah, forgive me. It might have been Spurs, Newcastle, where a player goes for the ball, and he gets there before the defender and the defender kicks his leg and it wasn't given as a... That's right, yeah. It was Marmoush, yeah. Marmoush, right. And then the VAR looked at it. Yeah, and they didn't give a penalty. And I thought, ooh, I maybe thought that... No, I thought that wasn't a penalty. Because the commentator said that they... that it wasn't an obvious one and the advice was to go with the on-field decision.

24:44Luke Moore: Okay, fine. But that was... The commentator also said, oh, because he'd already played the ball and it had got to its intended destination. Yeah, but that is bollocks. And that's the reason. And I think a lot of people watching think... The way I would probably give Alison a little bit of leeway and play devil's advocate to my own point would be that, of course, goalkeepers are coached to narrow an angle down, come out and collect a ball, come and claim something. If a forward's running through on goal and the goalkeeper's at the very least going to narrow down the angle, if he thinks he can get there, he's going to come out and smother it.

25:11It's a brave thing to do and it's good goalkeeping. But like every other aspect of challenges in football, you've got to get it right. If you don't get it right, I think there's a fine line between making yourself big and trying to make a save. and completely cleaning out a forward. And I do think it used to happen with goalkeepers punching as well. Do you remember the Onana one? Was it Lloris against United who got punished? Or it was a main night Spurs game. I can't remember who it was. Eventually got punished. And there was a big uproar about it. That's never a penalty. So he punched him in the fucking head.

25:38Keepers get away with it a lot is what I'm saying. And I think the difference between making yourself big or spreading yourself to try and make a save and cleaning out a forward should be defined. And in that decision, it was defined, which is why I didn't have a problem with it.

25:50Jim Campbell: Yeah, I wouldn't say it meets the threshold of him cleaning him out. I think that's the issue with it for me. So if he did clean him out, would you say it should be a thing? Of course, yeah. Once again, it's a game of opinions. Yeah, absolutely. That's the whole sport.

26:03Luke Moore: Gibbs White stuck it away though.

26:04Jim Campbell: Yes, he did. And actually, I think it's tempting in these games, isn't it, to just talk about the home side, but I think Forrest were really, really fun. James McAtee looks absolutely reborn in what we'll call the Adam Wharton role, because it was almost uncanny, wasn't it? How Glasner was having him playing in that exact role. It wasn't a perfect performance. He was at fault for the disallowed Verts goal and you've still got to be alert to those things. He'll be gutted because that was a lovely finish as well. But yeah, he looked really, really impressive. And Forrest, I mentioned, I think they'll do quite well this season.

26:37Jim Campbell: But Jair Kunyun was really impressive. I'm going to call him X of a slagger while we're not worrying about pronunciations today as well. Ola Aena's loads of fun to watch. hell of a throw is it going to be a brilliant tackle is it going to be a foul who knows yeah talking of throw-ins

26:52Luke Moore: Liam De Lapp coming on yeah that was a great bit of quick thinking it was a bit of quick thinking you're right Glasner he set them up as we thought he would with back three wing backs and so on and so forth to get a point on the board as well going away to Anfield I know Liverpool aren't up and running really under Iriola yet but having lost twice to Leeds already I think this was a very welcome point I mean it could have been three as well. And I think, again, if you look at the stats and so on, Liverpool had the lion's share of the possession, but shots-wise, chances-wise, Forrest probably edged it.

27:24Luke Moore: It's pretty even. Or even, exactly, and expect more of that from Glasner and Forrest, particularly against the bigger side. Yeah, I think Glasner will get them firing. I think they'll be quite good this season, Forrest. Yes, indeed, indeed. All right, let's go for a quick break, because coming up after this, Tottenham lost again.

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30:23Jim Campbell: But Tottenham, it's the history of the Tottenham. Welcome back to the Football Rumble, everybody. Sergio Chiellini, wasn't it? Okay, right, nice. just for no real reason. What's the context? Just fancied saying it. Must have done.

30:37Luke Moore: Tottenham Alspur 0, Newcastle United 2. Spurs currently sit bottom of the Premier League. It's the first time in 15 years they've lost their opening two Premier League games. The first time since 1992, 1993 they've failed to score in either of them. Now, this is...

30:55Luke Moore: I'm struggling which angle to kind of grab first here because some Spurs fans were saying, do you know what? that was a much more positive performance despite the loss. On another day, you get something from the game. They created some chances. Newcastle, particularly that first one, was a real moment of quality, etc. And so on. There's still a lot of new players. There's some to come back from injury. Just calm down. It will come good under the Derby. And there's the other angle, which is they've not scored in their opening two games. Again, this feels like a continuation of last season. and the comments De Zerbe himself was making when he was talking about the transfer market and said, unfortunately, you can't buy mentality in the transfer market.

31:40Luke Moore: He did. I mean... He also said, Jim, he mentioned that Richarlison keeps asking for a move away. He mentioned Danzo is asking for a move away. He talked about... Pat Mante-Sar as well. He did and said, well, he's injured at the moment and so on. And De Zerbe looks like he's a rabbit who's about to encounter some headlights on a road. so again I take so the first you know thing I was talking about is calm down it'll come good which I think is where I ultimately currently sit but on the other hand Jim it does look pretty crap at the moment for Spurs still

32:15Jim Campbell: yeah of course it does on the evidence of those first two games but Deserby's comments were quite wide reaching in that press conference and he was actually among all the kind of headline kind of quotes about not being able to buy mentality and the players wanting to leave he was also quite honest about their circumstances at the moment. He was. And how, obviously, you know, they are sort of in the doldrums a little bit. And they're trying to sort of settle the squad once the window shuts and move forward from there. And, you know, this was a weird game because they were actually pretty good until Newcastle scored.

32:45Jim Campbell: And then we saw all of the problems that they've had in the last two seasons where the fight just goes out of them. They deflate like a balloon. I think after 1-0, I think Pedro Porro had a shot from distance where they kind of worked it out for ages and it didn't come to nothing. He should have scored earlier than that as well. And then they went really flat. Newcastle score again. And the game was just over. But even when Newcastle go 2-0 up, there's a decent chunk of time left. There's about half an hour left. And it looked like it just never occurred to those players that they could get back into the game.

33:15Jim Campbell: And this is, clearly, this sort of mentality is really, really hard to get out of a club when they've been used to things going a certain way. And I think probably the stadium goes flat and it feels very same old, same old. Oh, it does. The new players coming in probably get affected by that kind of body language from everywhere else as well. And it's a really difficult rot to stop. And it was quite stark, the difference between the performance before and after those goals. Because they were really, really in the game. And then Newcastle just looked so comfortable. And obviously they deserve a lot of credit for that.

33:45Jim Campbell: But it is a fascinating psychodrama. It is. Especially if you're an Arsenal fan, I expect. I thought it was unfortunate. it is kind of a one level more of the same because Jim's analysis about how Spurs they just collapse the mentality is a massive problem it is partly fed by the stadium which is they're just ready to go I mean I haven't been this season yet because they've only had one home game but I was there loads last season it's always always like that even in their kind of darker moments last season they could still put together 20-30 minutes of a performance I mean they did it actually did it okay for a bit against Arsenal in the North London derby, they end up losing, what, 4-1?

34:294-1, yeah. So, the thing that would concern me, if I were a Spurs fan, is that... There's a load of things, but I'll try and sum up as quickly as I can. De Zerbe is very volatile. He's a very volatile, emotionally-led character.

34:43Luke Moore: Which is why his emotional sort of state, if you like, even though he was calm, just looking at... You know, I'm no body language expert, as you know, Luke, but he cut quite a... Jim just gave me middle finger what does it mean I just the figure he cut in that press conference I just I thought it was noteworthy yeah no yeah and the mentality thing is clearly something that he's identified and he's worked on he also said before the first game or maybe after the first game when they were beaten he said we're not ready and it might have even been before the game he said we're not ready and we're not going to be ready for a while and we know that the Zerbe is quite a kind of details focused coach who likes to get specific things out of his players and play in a certain way.

35:24It does take time for the players to get it. The big concern for me would be it looks like they want to bring in and regularly play eight brand new players. Now, fine, I get what came along before was bad and it needed to be sorted out. I needed to get rid of some players and there were some bad eggs in there. But it's a lot of players to bring in. Tonali, Savio, Fernandes, Van Hecker, Robertson, Sanessi, Marmouche.

35:49Jim Campbell: And Jai probably now too. Yeah, so there's loads of upheaval there. To be fair, though.

35:54Luke Moore: Jai, they're going in for him, you know what I mean?

35:56Jim Campbell: Yeah, and Richarlison going the other way.

35:58Luke Moore: What are Everton thinking there? Apparently Richarlison's not up for that. I want to move, I want to move. Everton, nah. I think he needs to be realistic about what he's capable of. It does, yeah. Richarlison. If he thinks, after the way he's performed at Spurs over however many years, for the most part, that he can turn down Everton, the only team he's basically ever been good at, and these are fucking bananas.

36:23Jim Campbell: Herein lies the problem though. I see what you're saying in terms of how it can be really disruptive to bring in too many players at once and change things too quickly. But this has been historically bad over the last two seasons. Two 17th place finishes for Tottenham is mad. I think actually moving along as many of those players as possible as quickly as possible, it will come at probably a short-term cost where things are a bit chaotic. But given how low the bar is, I think that's the way to go. But it comes with a risk. Sure, but I mean, but look at the baseline of it. Look how bad it is to start with.

36:56Luke Moore: You've got to get out of that mentality. But here we are, you know, two games into the season. Well, Spurs have got to do this, that and the other in the transfer window. And I don't necessarily disagree with you. We're two games in at the new season. The manager's been there since the end of last season. They've spent over 300 million. It's, the chat is still fairly similar. I mean, some fans understand well, Simmons has got to come back. You know, they got kudos from the pitch, which is good. Yeah, that was good. Kudos being there is good. Savio's already got an injury. You know, Maddison, I fear for him because he seems permanent injury.

37:25Luke Moore: Is Kulusevsky still a player? Maddison's injury is a different one from the one that kept him out. It's just bad luck. It is bad luck. There's a lot of bad luck. That's my point, though. He picks things up. Yeah. It's his fault. I'm saying I fear for him, you know, and I hope he can get back soon. So with Spurs, it seems ridiculous two games in with a lot of new players and so on. Like I say, at the start when I said, you know, different angles, I actually still believe that Spurs will actually have an alright season. I don't think they're going to finish 17th or any of that nonsense. And I think De Zerbe will get them playing.

37:57Luke Moore: But, you know, I don't know, it's only two games, and early days and all that kind of stuff. It's just, are we still going to be saying this by mid-November? That would be a good time to start. Exactly, yeah.

38:05Jim Campbell: I saw a Spurs fan on Twitter say, the only reason Spurs weren't challenged for the title this season will be injuries or corruption. Which is at the moment. Which is it, yeah. Yeah, it could be a bit of both at the moment.

38:16Luke Moore: Can we ignore the fact that Pete Donaldson cursed them before? You can't ignore that. It has to be taken into consideration. The curse demonstrably worked. He has his share of the responsibility. I would say it's quite a low-hanging fruit for a curse. He could have moved a bit higher. Well, I think he thought to himself, do you know what? He wants his team to get their first three points of the season, and it worked. Because all the Spurs chat, we have to mention you, Kelsey United, who have started the season very, very well. Now, they were worried, understandably so. new manager coming in, they've sold a lot of big names and so on and so forth.

38:48Luke Moore: Against Liverpool, they were impressive. And my goodness, Jim, I think they're going to bash teams on the break all season, aren't they?

38:55Jim Campbell: Yeah, they look really, really fun. Anthony Alanga and Joanne Wisse look like the players they promised to be, right? This is a thing, it's a trap it's so easy to fall into, isn't it? If a player, a good player moves to a new club and they suddenly don't look like a good player, that they're just shit now forever. And there's quality in that squad. we've been talking about it all summer, even though they've lost players, they've still got some some really, some real talent in there, like Harvey Barnes and Jacob Ramsey are two players who I think have been kind of dismissed slightly unfairly. And it's quite exciting as well that Jaisal has got them playing in a quite distinct style very early on.

39:31Jim Campbell: Nico Gonzalez, with that raking ball out to the flank, has kind of hit the ground raking as well. but that's great for Gonzalez because immediately

39:43Luke Moore: he's come in and he's made a contribution you can see what he's doing and that's what he came to the Premier League for and that's the kind of thing gets the confidence going he's in there he's full of beans speaking of fullbacks like you did in the Liverpool Forest game the fullback situation this game was interesting because Deitch who's new to the club was really good against a seasoned campaigner in Robertson who Spurs obviously wanted to bring in to have a bit of experience because they had a lot of young players that to rely on last season then Lewis Hall on the other flank was sensational and I know Archie Gray is a young lad fine in his way and doesn't have a full position yet and probably isn't a fullback but nevertheless they were dominated down those flanks Newcastle dominated them later on in the game particularly Spurs did have their moments they should have scored, Van Hecker should have scored, Poro should have scored the reality is though they're not making these moments count and then they're crumbling and that's a massive issue for a football team to have I also said a few times on the radio and on this show last time I was on I think that I don't actually think that how leaving and a lot of big players leaving Newcastle is the worst thing for them.

40:42I think actually it takes a bit of the expectation off. Geisler's a really well-respected coach. Brassel waxes lyrical about him. The only reason he left and went to Saudi was because he was... Because of money. Well, no, because he was openly talking to other clubs and his club got pissed off and they parted ways and he turned up in Saudi and he won things. I think he went back-to-back Champions Leagues there. All right. Something like that. So he's a really well-respected young coach. I think if you're a coach like that who's not got a reputation in a big league it's not obviously it's stupid to say you don't want to work with the best players of course you do but the fact that some big egos have moved on some big players have gone past and you can now say do you know what these guys are going to take on board my ideas and it's fresh and it's new I don't think it's a massive surprise they've started well I honestly don't

41:28Luke Moore: there's a lovely little cheat code there isn't there the ball out to Dedic and then he links with Alanga lovely finish from Alanga though beautiful finish it was a magnificent goal you're absolutely right and again shows you, compare that to Alanga last season. And I know Wissom missed a chance or two against Liverpool, but good for him to score as well. Because he has scored goals in the Premier League. We know he can do it. And quite an inventive finish as well. So I think it all bodes very, very well for Newcastle United and they're very much on the march. And we'll see what they can do, you know, the European football.

42:02Well, I still think there's question marks about the project, right? About this idea that if you come in with a big fanfare and you've got all this money. I know you're kind of limited by the way financial regulations work these days. But the fact that they missed out on quite a few targets, the players that have left, they haven't kind of replaced in the same way, does speak to perhaps larger problems with the project itself. But in terms of the fact that they've landed on this young coach who's clearly got a load of fresh, exciting ideas and he can probably get them playing to assist them. And they've got good young players like Miley and Hall and the players they brought in seem to have started straight away.

42:37De Dic, Gonzalez, as you said, and Hornacek as well, he was good. Joe Willock. He's come in, Joe Willock. Good young signing, Joe Willock. No, but Hornacek came in and played well and gone.

42:47Jim Campbell: They've started the season well. There's a lot to be positive about. I think a silver lining as well of Newcastle losing so many senior players and bringing so many young players in, and there's a kind of degree of this for Aston Villa as well, is that their wage bill will be smaller and that will give them more headroom further down the line, which has been part of the problem with the squad cost ratio stuff.

43:07Luke Moore: Well, Jim, if you're into silver linings, did you see that Carlo Ancelotti was also in this game sitting next to Roberto Mancini?

43:13Jim Campbell: Busy weekend for Carlo.

43:15Luke Moore: He's all over the shop.

43:16Jim Campbell: Yeah, well, you saw two Premier League games in London. Yeah, I mean, and... All right, fair enough. It's more than I saw.

43:23Luke Moore: Is he at Notting Hill Carnival today? I hope so. Of course he is. Of course he is. Has he got the same women around him or has he got new women? I hope he's got new women. I hope he, for his sake, has got new women. Why not? Why have the same? Why have the same?

43:39Jim Campbell: Yeah, Marcus, you do seem to have brushed over Anthony Alanga doing Thierry Henry's celebration just to really put the boot in. It's in the running order. All right. I'd like you to respect that. Sorry. Okay.

43:50Luke Moore: Forgive me. Yeah, well done, Alanga. Lovely old job there. Back to Carlo Encelotti. There wasn't a single Brazilian player involved in the match they scored for either team. I was racking my brains as to why he was there. He just loves the game, I guess. Well, I think he said, well, you know, two days until Carnival, so I've got to do something, never mind. Maybe he's thinking, I wonder if I can naturalise Matisse's tail. Probably not. He's probably not thinking that. Who knows? Who knows? Well, Spurs are bottom of the league. One team who you two certainly thought would finish bottom or there or thereabouts, a whole city.

44:21Luke Moore: Well, they remain unbeaten after the win against Coventry. Egg on your faces, lad. Yeah, go on, Hull. They scored a great goal. Great breakaway goal.

44:27Jim Campbell: My favourite thing about that was that Liam Miller had two bites at that particular breakaway show. That exact goal, yeah. Yeah, and the first one he put wide, despite it being a clever attempt at a finish, and he got a lot of stick from it, understandably from the Coventry fans. But to then get to do the same thing again and bury it as the winner, that's lovely.

44:45Luke Moore: It really, yeah, it showed that he very much learned from that first one. Because again, the steely-eyed focus. Mind you, I mean, he should have passed that. He should have laid it off to his teammate with the first one, which he missed. But it doesn't matter, because Liam Miller was the only person who scored a goal that day and it got Hull City three points. We said on Friday that the last three games between these two have been draws and produced just two goals. Well, yeah, I didn't think it was going to be a high scoring affair and it wasn't. But a huge win for Hull City though. The second in the league.

45:14They are. The second in the league. Come on. Yeah. I mean, how much you love the title race in the Premier League table in August, Marcus. I love it, yeah. The way you brought this conversation earlier to the table was implying they can't be relegated now.

45:27Luke Moore: No. They used to be bottom of the league. They can't finish bottom of the league now because they won their first two games. I was right for you to say, you also said that. Yeah, we all did. We all did, yeah. I've been man enough to admit it, though.

45:38Jim Campbell: With that in mind, are we kind of pumping Hull up too much? Should we be hoping that they fail? Trying to create some pressure on us. That'll come later, Jim. Play two, one two, conceded none. Yeah, it's not looking good, bruv. Egg on our face. Egg on our face. They're above Arsenal.

45:52Luke Moore: I know. Bloody Arsenal, eh? Yeah, and who knows? Maybe they will finish above Arsenal. but they will not finish above Arsenal prove it I will give me a bit of time and I will oh you can prove anything with time can't you Hull City yeah it's been great to see what they've been doing in the league damning loss for Coventry City though yes because again lose against Arsenal absolutely again early days blah blah blah but this this was one of those ones where if you lose it it is early on in the season I think if this is in seven or eight games time but if you lose this one it's a bit like you've got to get to the

46:27Jim Campbell: no but seriously bit now.

46:28Luke Moore: You do. You absolutely do, yeah. Well, I think you're overstating the case somewhat. I mean, they set out to win this game. They pushed and pushed. The whole goalkeeper got mad at match. They made all the running commentary. They had a massive shadow on that and they got beaten. That's unfortunate. They had a defensive high line about 40 yards from the whole goal. Yeah, they did. No, I get that. And they want to play in a certain way and it's still two games into the season. Well, I do like to stress that, Luke, as you know. You don't like to stress that. You said that as an afterthought. That's what you say sometimes.

46:59Luke Moore: Nonsense. Yeah, look. There you are.

47:00Jim Campbell: They're 18th. I can see that, yeah. What have you got to say about that? What's happening now? If we... As things stand, Coventry are going down. Who they got next? Who they got next? Man City. Away. Man City away next. Tough start for them.

47:14Luke Moore: Very tough start. Yeah. They'll be gutted about this. On Friday, we spoke about Hull owner Asun Ilikali, who, in a recent interview, revealed he hosted Olly McBurney in Turkey, or Turquia, should I say, this summer after Hull got promoted. He described McBurney as energetic and a rascal. What's this about? Why just Olly McBurney?

47:38Jim Campbell: And when you're summoned to that, when you're Olly McBurney, what are you thinking is going on there? I don't know. Brilliant stuff. Have you heard? I hope he didn't drive home.

47:46Luke Moore: No, I doubt he did. I doubt he did. Energetic and a rascal. Most rascals are energetic, aren't they? Yeah, you don't get many quiet rascals. Don't be a lazy rascal, as the Boy in the Corner record said. Oh, dearie me. All right, coming up after this, a familiar water feature returned to Old Trafford.

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50:28Luke Moore: Welcome back to the Football Ramble, everybody. Manchester United 5, Ipswich Town 2. Bruno Fernandes-Hattrick. What a player. What a player. What a player he is. What a man. He's just constant. Yeah. Basically, all the light at Man United, for good and bad, just bends around Bruno Fernandes.

50:49Jim Campbell: It's a draw without him there, isn't it? It is. He's still doing everything around there. You know, even the water feature you mentioned, the... Ding-a-ding, ding-a-ding, ding-a-ding, ding-a-ding. Yeah, well, absolutely. They should start that. They should start playing that, absolutely. Certainly at full time. Even that's a little bit trimmed down. I think Bruno's been patching it up. Yeah. Why have they not fixed it? Why has Bruno not fixed the roof?

51:09Luke Moore: Because they are waiting for Bruno Fernandes to fix the roof. I'll kick a ball in the gap. Don't worry about it. Just fix the fucking thing. That's a terrible free kick. By the way, we should... Is it? Speaking of... Oi, by the way, Mattis Tell's free kick. What a free kick that was. Jim, I think... Going back to the ball, I think you're right to say that it's a little bit more slimmed down. That shouldn't be a thing. There's no way you don't call out a plumber because you've got a leak and he says, right, I'm done. So what I've done is I've made it slightly better. See you later. I've trimmed it down.

51:38Here's the invoice. Yeah, it needs to be fixed. It's been going on for years. And they can't say it doesn't rain in Manchester.

51:44Jim Campbell: It rains all the time. It does rain every single day. Isn't there some structural reason it's really difficult? I'm sure it...

51:51Luke Moore: Well, that's one way of looking at it. Luke, compared to last season, is the situation with the waterfall better? Yes. Right, okay. So they're moving in the right direction. Yeah.

51:59Jim Campbell: So, I mean, this is pretty emphatic for Man United, wasn't it? Moving away from the waterfall. And I think, actually, if you look at their first two games, it suggests that actually had they been in the championship last season they would have done alright I think it's a fair point

52:14Luke Moore: emphatic yes Lipschristown did take the lead though they did that was a brilliant brilliant finish from Davis a brilliant goal really difficult to control executed it amazingly and what Leif Davis I'm pleased for him because when they were promoted to the Premier League the first time there was a lot of talk about him I was doing radio phone-ins at the time and people were calling up saying he should be playing for England he was saying he's that good he's that good Who are these people? Ipswich Town fans were saying this guy's been chronically overlooked. He's an amazing player. No one talks about him.

52:43He's going to tear the Premier League to pieces and he didn't. And they went down again with a bit of a whimper. And they've come back up again. He's still there. For him to score at Old Trafford I think is a great thing for him because he had a lot of expectation on him and he is a good player. And I hope he has a good season now.

52:56Luke Moore: Do you worry though as we go into autumn that Leaf might fall off? I mean, when someone says to me what's Marcus like as a presenter I say it's 50-50. I'm up to 50. It's 50 % pedantry and 50 % bad puns that are unnecessary. Do they balance each other out to create a beautiful middle ground? No, they make it much worse. Right, okay. Compounded interest makes it much worse. Lasted long, didn't it? 35 minutes, 40 minutes? There we go. Do you not think Leif Davies is a good player? You don't want you got nothing to say about that? What did you think of the autumn stuff?

53:35You could have said he'll really catch everyone's eye coming into autumn. You could have said that.

53:39Jim Campbell: Yeah, that doesn't work though, does it? Yeah, it's not close enough to... Oh, you're on his side, are you? Yeah, I mean, it's not really wordplay. It relies on too much. I bring more than wordplay. Do you know that?

53:52Luke Moore: Well, sometimes you're so highbrow, Jim and I just don't know what it is. We don't notice. But look, it was a great goal. I was about to say, I bring a lot of swearing. Talk to me about the set-up to the goal, though. Oh, what, he's a great, what, for the main, not a goal? No, Leif Davies' goal. What do you want to know? Is Luke Shaw still in inkontention after that? I mean, for some of us, it's just confirmation of what we already knew. For you, I imagine he's quite bad. He's quite a bad, you get your black suit and tie out, did you? I'll tell you what, though. There was dinner money all over the floor, is what happened.

54:21He got completely ripped.

54:22Luke Moore: For Tawu, though, the funny thing is, is Luke Shaw didn't actually look that slow in the play. It was Fatao. So he got lightning quick. He got bullied as well. He got bullied off the ball as well.

54:33Jim Campbell: And in fact, the most interesting thing about that for me was how basically the same scenario happened immediately afterwards and Davis was a little bit less composed and Lammond's pushing it over the bar. I think, oh God, if that's 2-0, that might be a very, very different afternoon. Lammond's made a brilliant save before that as well. Where it was dangerous, but the thing was, the key moment in this game was Maynard equalising because there's a slight mistake about 40 minutes in. And if you time it, seven seconds later, the ball's in the net. It is a ruthless example of how punishing and brutal the Premier League is when compared to the championship.

55:10Jim Campbell: What a finish from Bruno Fernandes' left foot as well. Great. He was great all around. He's a brilliant player. He's absolutely brilliant. He's always so good. He makes such a big contribution. His numbers are amazing. He always steps up. He always demands more from his colleagues. And like I said, a lot of the circus that's going on around him he's remained constant he really has I also think it's really interesting actually and I expected more from him in this game although he wasn't that bad because I did think before the season started that Rashford would force his way in here and actually make a contribution now he's not scored or assisted in the 5-2 win so he also got subbed off towards the end but the fact that he's in there and starting I think is quite significant I think it's interesting

55:50Luke Moore: I do as well and Kobe Maynou started as well Maynou was brilliant yeah good to have Maynou in there for crying out loud absolutely

55:56Jim Campbell: It must feel like a relief as a Man United fan to know you have this massive talent who's just been left out all the time. And to finally see him on the pitch doing what they've all seen with their eyes that he can do.

56:08Luke Moore: Michael Carrick is the only football manager who wants to start Kobe. Apparently so. But he did start. I think him and Teeleman were both pretty good. What about Harry Maguire's handball? Yeah, it's a ridiculous example. Here we go. Well, it's a ridiculous example of how much and not the laws of the game have twisted us up in. because essentially because Harry Maguire is a centre-back who can't really shoot very well, the shot isn't on target. It goes down on their own goal and therefore it's not disallowed for the handball, which we all saw happen. It's a ridiculous decision. What happens is when they try and make these laws so complicated, they open up all these loopholes which make the game look ridiculous.

56:42And this was an example of that.

56:43Luke Moore: Yeah, because even if you say, okay, fine, for those reasons, as it was highlighted on Masters Day, it's a handball. it's not an accidental handball the way he puts his hands up there and so on and so forth. So for the people who haven't seen this You could have easily chalked that goal off. Or don't know the detail. If that shot had been on target it would have been Maguire's goal and therefore not a goal because it would have been disallowed because it's a handball leading to a direct action which led to a goal. It's a farce. It's a total farce. It is a farce because you think to yourself well if the ball is...

57:18Luke Moore: It's a handball or not. All this sort of... I understand there are phases of playing and there's advantages and disadvantages and so on and so forth. But you can't sort of say, okay, all right, Maguire, we think that's a handball. A load of Ipswich Town players appeal for it. He goes to shoot and they go, well, don't get in the way of it just in case, because if it goes wide, we're fine. And if it goes in the back of the netball, then we can get the handball. It's so unnecessarily layered.

57:40Jim Campbell: One of the things that seems to have been lost in the handball rule is whether or not a team, be they the attacking team or the defending team, gain an advantage by one of their players using their hand like to a reasonable degree if it glances off someone's arm or whatnot sometimes it's like makes sense to play on but that seems to have just been lost a bit Man United absolutely gain an advantage from Harry Maguire's hand here they scored a goal yeah and to make the game 3-1 as well yeah key goal crucial goal it's a stupid it's a ridiculous situation

58:10Luke Moore: nice to see Chabarakpom back in the country absolutely got a goal as well exactly got his goal at the end well I think it is which have actually got some really decent players I mean Lukic is a good Premier League operator I think Marcus you wouldn't disagree with that would you ever watch him in Seat he was a good player Maida looks good Diop at the back is another Fatal who's had his moments as well we've talked about Leif Davies who's obviously got a lot of ability and a lot of pace they gave a decent account of themselves obviously as the game goes on it gets away from them but I mean looking at Manchester United front line Boumo Fernandes Rashford Cunha bring on one or two players as well to let the game get away from them.

58:52Luke Moore: I think it's a respectable showing. Do you know what I mean? I know they've been beaten 5-2 and people think, well, that's a bit mad. You know, Man United had a lot of chances and so on. But all things considered, I think Ipswich have done all right so far in these two games. And Gag O 'Neill is leading his troops pretty well. I've got him down as being the first person to lose his job. Let's see how it goes. Okay. Best lookalike in the Premier League at the moment. Is it Lemenz and Andrew Garfield? Yeah, it's not bad. Or is it Marco Rosa and Oasis bassist Andy Bell? Not as well known. Yeah. Not as well known.

59:26That's not what I asked.

59:26Luke Moore: I can't call that to mind immediately. I think it's Lomans and Garfield. I get the Rosa thing. Rosa's also very tall, isn't he?

59:35Jim Campbell: Right. You can tell why he's tall because he goes above the sponsorships and the boards behind the interview. Well, he'll get his arm around a base then, won't he? He will, exactly. One thing I wasn't aware of or was perhaps aware of and had forgotten that became clear to me in this game was that Ashley Young has got the same voice as Romesh Ranganathan. He's uncanny.

59:55Luke Moore: Tonight, Jim, Arsenal are away to Aston Villa. Big game, Monday Night Football. How are you feeling about that, big boy?

1:00:02Jim Campbell: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I think it's an interesting time to play Villa and I think there's a danger of them being underestimated because there's a lot of unknown quantities in there. Unai Emery is not suddenly any worse as a manager because he's got some deck chairs to move around, I suppose is how it feels a little bit at the moment. So I hope Arsenal approach this with kind of the same sort of intensity they would any other game because I think Villa Park even missing a stand because they're renovating one in this season is going to be a really, really sort of big atmosphere. The Esri-Consa situation adds a little bit of spice to it as well and Villa generally feeling aggrieved at how their window has gone will probably add a bit of spice to every game where they're playing one of the supposed big six.

1:00:45Jim Campbell: So I think it's going to be a really feisty atmosphere, and I'm hoping to see Bruno Gimaraes. Not entirely sure whether that's possible yet. I'm looking forward to it, though.

1:00:54Luke Moore: Will Unai Emery have his hair gelled, or is he going to keep the gel away and have his hair all puffed up like we saw in the... I hope he gels it. The bouffant. Yeah, he looks better with the gel. I love the bouffant. It's great. It came from nowhere, really. It did, yeah. It's really surprising to look at. I've not seen him like that. I think, if you look at how Villa started the season last year, it was a bit poor. He didn't win any of the first five, I think, in the league.

1:01:15Jim Campbell: And he can navigate that, right? Yeah, but there's a lot of upheaval. I mean, speaking about upheaval, there's a lot of upheaval at Villa. Yeah, the whole spine of the team, really. They've lost a lot of players, brought a lot of players in. Arsenal look like they've got the bit between their teeth. You know, I mean, Aston Villa will quite simply probably start the game with Alejandro Garnaccio in the team. So that's going to be pleasing for Arsenal. And Munich's most massive man, Leon Goretzka, in the Premier League. That's a really interesting one as well. Yeah, it is. Goretzka coming now. I don't think he'll start, will he?

1:01:40Is he available? He probably is available, but I don't know if he'll start but he's a really interesting signing for them so there's a lot to think about and look at with Villa I think it'll be an interesting game for that reason

1:01:49Jim Campbell: I also think and you'll love this Nicholas Jackson is an interesting signing for them because he's quite consistent with how Ollie Watkins plays he likes to play off the shoulder and be put in behind so that should be a bit of a plug-in-and-play situation or it would have been had the rest of the team that had learned to play with him still been there yeah exactly yes indeed I think what's fascinating about that is that they've got in Brian Maggio, Johan Manzambi and Nicholas Jackson and Alejandro Canaccio. I mean, Maggio's only 17 though, isn't he? True, but I mean, he's played with them already.

1:02:23I know he's injured at the moment, but he's played for them already this season.

1:02:25Jim Campbell: He scored in a final. Exactly. Which is something. Yeah, I think Manzambi's a really exciting signing.

1:02:29Luke Moore: Well, but Maggio was brought in in January, actually. Right, sure. Yeah, but yes, he's not featured in the Premier League and so on, so I take your point. And it is a great shame that he's injured, so yeah, looking forward to when he comes back. Oli Watkins has moved to Al Hillel for 51 million, as you were sort of saying there, Jim. So good luck to him, in a way. And Arsenal still want to sign Julian Alvarez, despite him saying that he only wants to go to Barcelona. I'm literally saying to Mikartez on the phone, I do not want to come here. Yeah, apparently so.

1:02:58Jim Campbell: I mean, El Chiringuito is saying he didn't pick the phone up at all. Just lovely to hear their names, isn't it? It's like they've been absent for a little while. Yeah. Ornstein's saying they had a conversation with Alvarez, I don't want to play for Arsenal. with Ornstein. Yeah, I think there's talk that, and again, this is paper talk, that Arsenal are going to wait until a deadline day for Alvarez, which is insane to me. They must have some other options that they're ready to go with. They absolutely have to because selling Gabriel Martinelli, Gabriel Jesus and Leandro Trossard and only bringing in Christos Solis, that's asking a lot of him in terms of picking up the slack on those goals.

1:03:33Jim Campbell: But they have to have something. It's a lot of goals and assists to lose. They have to have something lined up. They have to. I mean, the idea is that Eza might play more on the left. Madueke could go out over there and then perhaps Ethan Manieri stays as kind of depth in the middle. But again, you're losing so many goals if you don't bring in some other player. But the thing is, it's hard to know who that person's going to be. Jack Grealish. Jack Grealish, maybe. Could be him. We're also... He's off to Everton. Hopefully that'd be great. Yeah, that would be good. But Fabio Vieira, it looks like he's going to be sold to Hamburg.

1:04:03Jim Campbell: He's not set the Premier League alight, but I think it's a shame that we haven't made more of quite how much he looks like Pete yeah there was an active Premier League player who really looked like Pete and we didn't make the most of that I think active Premier League players who really looked like Pete the least the manager can do is pick them more yeah fair and I think Atetov's take some of the blame for that that's fair I'm surprised still that Arsenal didn't go hell for leather for Barcola yeah that one I suspect on that that he just wanted Liverpool and that do you think they've been yeah but they're still going for Alvarez yeah fair but do you think they've been distracted massively by first it could be the story of this transfer winner for Arsenal could be quite a bad one in that they've lost key squad players and they've been distracted by not one yet two players they were potentially never going to get and they've not been able to put their attention as well now I'm not saying they won't get Alvarez because situations can change but if it turns out they don't get Alvarez or Vinny Junior because they were both totally unrealistic that is a bit of a missed opportunity well they all had Morgan Rodgers as well And Rodgers, yeah.

1:05:04Jim Campbell: The thing is, even if they do get Alvarez, it will be sort of against his will. It's not great when it starts with.

1:05:10Luke Moore: I just...

1:05:12Jim Campbell: Look, he... They need to pull something out of the bag.

1:05:14Luke Moore: Yeah, they do, yeah. It's not a good look for Alvarez if he was to turn up at Arsenal. Of course, this will happen and has happened many times in football. If a player wants to go somewhere and they end up going elsewhere and they've done okay. I just think for Alvarez, the age he is and so on, that amount of money and to go in for him that big, you know as well that if he has an okay season, he'll be like, right, Barcelona. You know, come on. Yeah, he's always going to be there. From where I'm sitting right now, from the little I know, I just, if I was an Arsenal fan, I'd be like, no, this isn't worth it.

1:05:42Jim Campbell: Even if he comes in on deadline day, that still creates a bit of an imbalance in the squad. Now, obviously he's a very talented player and they would make that work in some way. My suspicion is that they will make do with what they have until January and go in harder for someone, possibly Kenan Yielders, or something they really like.

1:05:58Luke Moore: But I want you to be honest with me right now, Jim. if Julian Alvarez plays for Arsenal bearing in mind is Argentinian will you boo him? No. Scum. Thanks for listening to the Football Ramble part of the Ask Me. Ask me. Oh I know you will. You're good for it. It's been a pleasure. The Premier League is up and running fully. Two games in for most teams but we've got one tonight. Yes. Excited for it. The table could look very different. It could by tomorrow morning. Hullaby biting their nails wouldn't they? I can't wait to look at that table tomorrow. Fulham still safe from relegation despite two losses Pete and Vish will be back tomorrow to talk about Villa and Arsenal thank you very much Luke Moore thank you very much thank you Jim Campbell thank you and thank you the Premier League

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