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3:27Luke Moore: You've made a good choice, everybody. Welcome to the Football Ramble! Wins for Arsenal and Liverpool and a madness at Stamford Bridge. It's Thursday, 10th of September. I'm Marcus Speller. I'm Luke Moore. And I'm Andy Russell.

3:52Luke Moore: Welcome back, Andy Brassel. He's just a rascal, Andy Brassel. Andy has joined us on a one-episode loan from on the continent. You can still hear him there every Thursday and Friday, don't worry. But he's joined us for one episode of one episode only, unless he impresses, of course. Andy, pleasure to have you back. Thanks for having me. As you'll be aware and as all our listeners will be aware, you've been able to take notes of a continental advantage. In France, of course, you can sign one player outside of the transfer window. So you've taken advantage of that to affect the loan. Very good. Marcus, can I just come in here with a few kind of rules, ground rules for Andy?

4:35I need to ensure on behalf of you and I and everyone listening and watching and the production staff as well, that if Andy is going to come here to work, he does need to respect our traditions, our rules and our customs. If not, he can, as far as I'm concerned, I didn't go straight back where he came from. I did know, actually, last week that Nigel Farage is selling Reform UK home and away shirts. Very good. So you want to take your jacket off and show us?

5:00Luke Moore: Right, enough of the bollocks. There was some football last night. And Andy, you'll be pleased to know it happened on the continent. Napoli 0, Arsenal 1. That man, Martin Odegaard, got the goal for Arsenal. He's picked up four man of the matches in five games this season. that includes the Community Shield, Andy. Good win for Arsenal, just a solitary goal. And they walk away with the three points. Yeah, and easier in reality than it looks on the score sheet, I would say. Arsenal were all over Napoli for a lot of this. It was a really good time to play them. They'd just come off two successive defeats, missing some key players, including McTominay and Anguissa.

5:44and obviously they picked up a few more injuries on the night. But I did feel that in terms of Arsenal being in a spot where they're sort of moving towards winning this finally, it's a pretty good start. It's a pretty convincing start, I thought. Yeah, I agree. I think the real standout story is the Martin Odegaard thing. you could possibly argue that perhaps the reason they didn't go over the top in the Champions League last season people may disagree with this but there's definitely one of the reasons is that Odegaard was essentially a passenger last year for the most part he scores one goal in the Premier League one goal in all competitions last season looked to have been carrying an injury didn't really contribute in terms of goals at all in the Champions League and is there arguably on form, their key player, obviously their captain as well.

6:42The fact that he started the season so well means that in games like this, where it's a bit sticky, you're dominating the game, you're the better side, you're away from home and you need to get out of there with a win somehow. As we've seen time and time again, the very, very best players can pop up and make something happen. And it wasn't just the fact that he scored, it's the goal he scored, which was really good. He was basically running the show. He had the run of the pitch, really. and his form could well be the difference between, you know, Arsenal finding it hard to lift themselves again, to go and do it again domestically, but also get that trophy they've craved for ages in the Champions League as well.

7:22He could be the difference maker. It's early to say, right, in the beginning of September at the moment, but if he maintains this form for a large part of the season, he is 100 % a difference maker. The other player I'd like to highlight in this as well is Esri Konza, who, you know, if you were looking for reasons why Arsenal perhaps couldn't replicate and improve in Europe, it would be Saliba's injury, which had the potential to be absolutely key for them. I thought Konza was so solid last night, like so authoritative in a way that Saliba kind of also is. If you watch Saliba and Gabriel together, Gabriel gets all the headlines, big strong guy, scores goals, dominant in both boxes.

8:01But the way Saliba reads the game is absolutely crucial and quite unheralded, actually, despite the fact that he's got a good reputation. And for someone to come in and slot in there straight away and be able to fill that gap in such a competent manner is absolutely massive for them as well.

8:16Luke Moore: Yeah. Arsenal had 26 shots and an XG of more than four. Yet just the one goal, Andy. This Max Allegri Napoli side do like to concede a lot of shots. Big time. I mean, they conceded... They like it? Yeah, they love it. They conceded 30, I think, at Inter at the weekend. Wow. Which is pretty impressive. Like, obviously, they've played two really good teams in the space of four days while they're not feeling great. So, five days. So, they've played Inter away and then Arsenal at home in the Champions League. And there was definitely a feeling with Arsenal coming over the hill. It's like, oh my God, this is like the worst possible first game in the Champions League.

9:00And that would be, I think, one of the reasons why there wasn't more excitement around the place. Obviously, it's a difficult place to go, but it's a more difficult place to go when it's full and the fans are noisy. And I don't think either of those things were really the case for them last night. But from Arsenal's perspective, I thought what was good is that, as you say, Marcus, they missed chance after chance after chance. But there was never really a hint of panic, which I think was quite useful. And they'll always back themselves to just edge the other teams, to just find a way to get it done.

9:34Yeah, Marcus, on the disaster performance, before we make it like a total Arsenal love-in, it's interesting, I think, to contemplate or revisit perhaps the conversation you and I had yesterday about Havertz versus Gokeres, right? And Gokeres obviously starts the game. And the thing that reminded me of this is just your point there about the 26 shots. Gokeres played for 73 minutes, zero shots, right? And it's away from home in the Champions League. he's got a reputation as being someone who could knock teams over, you know, potentially at home, you know, teams that are worse than them domestically.

10:06What did you make of his performance and what do you think that says about him?

10:10Luke Moore: Well, I don't think it says anything different to what we've known. I mean, last season with Jokeres, you know, obviously he's a part of the strikers union, which I am as well.

10:23Luke Moore: And if you want a membership, then just simply say something nice about me on social media. but if you know if if um or anything at all actually i'll take what i can get no i think with jokeres last season he he he wasn't great he was he was okay i he scored a few goals you know he kind of was what perhaps a lot of people expected you know that strikers uh you know proper number nines are um you know at a premium at the moment because there's not that many of them and he didn't really set the world on fire. But you could, and some people will say, well, that's Jokeres, that's what you're going to get.

11:00Luke Moore: You're not going to get anything more. And some might have been a bit more generous and said, well, hang on, it's the first season, you're playing for Arsenal, different this, that, and the other. Mikel Arteta was very clear at the start of the season. We need to kind of play in a way that helps him and serves him, if you like. You may be running out of charity because you could say, well, that performance last night, and is against a tough opponent, despite all the shots they concede. It's the first game of the Champions League. Would it be his first start this season? It's early days, et cetera, et cetera.

11:35Luke Moore: I suspect we probably have seen the best of Jokeres in an Arsenal shirt already. My suspicion is he's not going to improve that much. He might have a little bit of an improvement. Havertz will be the starting striker for Arsenal this season. And that game didn't really... It was difficult for Jokeres, as I say. I think he does deserve a little bit of charity, to use that word again. But I don't think anybody will think, oh, hang on a minute here. Is this guy in contention? I don't think it should be difficult for him. That's the point I'm making. Like, I get that it's the first start of the season, but he's had a full season at Arsenal.

12:08He scored goals. And Andy, I don't know how you feel about it, but you would have seen much more of Jokeres in Europe than I have. But, you know, they know these stats, right? They know that Napoli love to concede shots. Arsenal themselves just basically on average have a shot what every other minute given how long the ball's in play and he's the starting striker right he needs to be thinking I'm going to fill my boots here I'm going to get right into that and get stuck in and it's going to be a great night for me but he just looked a bit like he always looks against a good team. You know, I feel it's a bit chicken and egg, though, because to me, if he hasn't had any shots in the game, are they not creating for him?

12:46Like, if he's missing chances, I think that's a different discussion. Yeah, fair. But if they're not creating anything for him, I think that's... But are they not looking for him? Yeah, maybe, maybe. And maybe a striker like Havertz is different because he's a striker that's not really a striker. And he's someone who's going to come and get the ball. So that's a little bit different. So I guess that's a more global point in terms of the way Arsenal play. I mean, in terms of Jokeres, I feel he had a more than acceptable first season in the Premier League. But I think it's a very good example of why Premier League clubs nowadays and the biggest Premier League clubs would rather go out there and spend a lot of money, spend the most money they're going to spend on potential rather than guys who are in their peak years.

13:33because I think Marcus touched on it. Are we going to see any better from him in an Arsenal shirt? And I think it's a really good question. Have we seen already the best of him that we're going to see in an Arsenal shirt? And if someone's 26 or 27, that's a valid question. Whereas if you're buying someone, Premier League clubs are far rather by potential than they would buy players who are actually in it already. And obviously PSR has affected that. but I think like the Jochores case is a case in point as well but I also think the thing you would chuck in there as well the added dimension to this is if you don't want to take kind of my word for it or our word for it about Jochores and his ceiling then you know explain away why Arsenal spent a long time in a pursuit of Julian Alvarez right because because they were desperate for a forward they were desperate for another striker for the whole transfer window basically but isn't that Arteta's thing about improving where other people, well, I guess a lot of people do think they can improve that, but just being ruthless is a huge part of Arteta's thing.

14:40Bear in mind at the time, it seems mad now in retrospect, but people thought it was harsh when he went and bought David Rye, didn't they? Yeah, but I get that. And I think, you know, it always puts me in mind that thing Gary Neville said. The thing he's most proud of is that in this entire time at Man United, they never tried to sign another right back. And it's like, I know the game's different now. But like, you know, they wouldn't be going hell for leather. I get that you always want to improve. I get you want to improve from a position of strength, but they wouldn't be going hell for leather for Julian Alvarez if Guilherme had set the world on fire last season.

15:12They wouldn't have done that.

15:13Luke Moore: I think it's a fair comment. One I simply cannot push back on.

15:19Luke Moore: With Arsenal, Andy, we're going to talk about PSG and Barcelona a little bit later. you spoke about their efforts in the Champions League this season. With the situation of them going forward, if you think about they've started Jocheres, they've got obviously Havertz came off the bench, Saka started, he's kind of yet to really get going this season, you could argue. Odegaard's the main man. Noni Madueke came on, had a chance, didn't do it. If you look at that Arsenal forward line, are you concerned for them in terms of winning this Champions League? You compare that forward line, as we did last season, we're doing it again this season, because they've had a summer to sort it out.

16:01Luke Moore: You compare their forward line to Bayern, PSG, Barcelona, even throw Real Madrid in there. Or City. Yeah, indeed, or Manchester City. Do you think that is, is that a reason why Arsenal might not win the Champions League this season? I don't think it is. I think the case for Arsenal is their defence, really, isn't it? I mean, they just give absolutely nothing away. No, I said is the forward line the case? No, I know what you said. I'm saying that doesn't matter because their defence is so good. And they'll find a way to chisel out the wins. And I think in a cup competition, it's easy to forget that the Champions League is a cup competition.

16:42Luke Moore: Because of their bloody name, Andy, that's why. It is, isn't it? But it is. And I do think that having the best defence by a long way is a huge part of that. They're just so competitive in every game. And if I was going to outline favourites now, for me, there's PSG, there's Bayern, there's Arsenal. And after that, there's the rest. You know, there are other teams that could win it. But for me, I would be really surprised if the winner didn't come from those three. Do you think Arsenal are in better shakes than Barcelona? Barcelona are better fun. But I think Arsenal are in a better position to win the competition.

17:21Luke Moore: Interesting, Andy. Interesting. Well, Napoli were obviously the team who lost to Arsenal last night. It was nice to see Max Allegri. Is it... Is it me? When I see him, I mean, he often wears a white shirt on the touchline, perhaps always. Whenever I see him that, I just, I want him to rip it off like he did when he was managing Juventus and it kind of, that was the end of him there. Do you know what I mean? I forgot about that. Yeah, I just, I have that image of him and I just, I bloody love it. For me and Vitalian football, for me and Vitalian football, it is extraordinary the manager of Mario going around in Italy.

17:55Like, if you take your eyes, I know the Premier League was bad for it probably about 15 years ago, but if you take your eyes off Serie A for, it feels like, two or three weeks, you've got managers popping up. They just trade them between all the big clubs in Italy. It doesn't matter. Like, what clubs in Italy has Max Allegri managed? Now, I know off the top of my head he's managed Juve, he's managed Milan, and now he's managed Napoli. There's probably some others as well, right? He's been at Sassuolo, he's been at Cagliari. It's crazy how often they rotate him around. Milan more than once. I think Allegri to Napoli has got very much soon-est Newcastle vibes.

18:35Right, okay. Well, what I found really interesting is when I watched something or I read something about Fabregas at Como and how a lot of the establishment managers in Serie A don't really like him because they think he's like a bit of an upstart who doesn't understand the traditions of Italian football. It's like, what are the traditions of Italian football? It's very difficult to kind of establish that every manager is in the gang and when they're in the gang, they get to rotate around all the clubs. If another young one comes along and starts winning things, they just don't like it very much.

19:09I love the attitude. It's so funny. It was a brilliant fallout between Allegri and Fabregas last season when Allegri was in charge of Milan. so on the touchline they had a bit of a row and afterwards Allegri called him a silly little boy yeah but that's the thing right is that true that feeling about Fabregas that he's this upstart a little boy who doesn't deserve to be there even though he's doing really well is that true no I don't think it is I just think he's a deeply irritating bloke I think that's it and it's brilliant like he was a pest as a player and I think he's a bit of a pest as a coach and I really like that about him actually underrated yeah yeah totally I think there's a little bit of slyness to him.

19:50The fact that he's really intelligent and successful is obviously deeply irritating to these established guys as well. But of course, in Napoli's last home game, they lost to Como. So obviously, they gave each other a I hate you and you hate me handshake before the beginning. And then Como absolutely played his new team off the pitch and left him in a bit of a spot.

20:10Luke Moore: Beautiful. Nice. Beautiful. Well, speaking of people misbehaving, Napoli forward Noah Lang was left out of the squad against Arsenal due to a disciplinary issue. Napoli director Giovanni Manor said, Noah Lang did not behave appropriately and therefore watched Arsenal versus Napoli with me. Love that. Like the front seat of the coach. Exactly, yeah. That's so good. I know you should. Listen, could I just describe Noah Lang before Andy gives you some absolute insight? Because a lot of people listening won't know much about him. he is quite simply a man who tests to the very limit the phrase don't judge a book by its count

20:56Luke Moore: well apparently he apologised and a man has said the topic is closed he will be available tomorrow so there we are very very enjoyable Andy is this a guy who's got a track record of this type of behaviour he's an acquired taste I think it's he's got Nangalan vibes about him to me oh no he's a bit wilder than that oh is he okay like I don't know if we're talking about formidable and pest going back to our previous discussion like Lang definitely falls into the latter category I mean you you might remember that when he was on loan to Galatasaray last season they played away at Liverpool in the Champions League and he had that really horrible finger injury where he had to he caught it in the advertising hoarding and he had to go to hospital and had it reattached and you're thinking, oh that's really worrying, I hope he's okay and literally three hours later there's him on a wheelie stretcher in the elevator at the hospital with two nurses and he's got his phone and they're taking a picture in the mirrored elevator and he's doing a thumbs up and it's like, you know it's just, yeah my finger nearly came off but I'm having a great time.

22:10Luke Moore: It's that kind of positive amazing that we like to see in professional football alright we're going to have a quick break coming up after this Marcos Llorente once again has his moment in the sun at Anfield

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25:37Luke Moore: I read something, some quote from the worst manager in the history of the Premier League, Frank De Boer, seven matches, seven defeats, zero goals, where he was saying that it's not good for Marcus Rashford to have a coach like me. If he was coached by Frank, he would learn how to lose, because he lost every game. you can't go back to the football rival everybody you can't mess around with facts can you the great thing about that is he really emphasises the point he's making at the end because he'll lose all the games because all Frank the War does is lose all the games yeah we get it Jose we get it the thing is he's actually massaged the facts that's twice as many games as the Burr actually managed isn't it in the Premier League I think it was four he had four and it was seven in all comps wasn't it yeah it was but when you're in the right anyway you don't need to doctor the figures do you?

26:34Don't undermine a good point with a bad one.

26:36Luke Moore: Indeed. Maybe he just looked at his Wikipedia page and he got confused because they often put leads and I don't know. I don't know Andy. Marcus can I ask what in the line into the break you talked about Marcus Llorente's moment in the sun. I know he's got a good record at Anfield but that is because also he's a sun cream conspiracy theorist right? Indeed. Would you like to elaborate on that Luke? He thinks that sun cream is a population control measure and a conspiracy theorist by Big Farmer, I think. Yeah, he was wearing the glasses on the way into Anfield last night, wasn't he? Yeah, of course he was.

27:09Was he actually, Anfield? All he needs to do. He was, yeah. In Liverpool in September. Could I just say that theory, which has gained a lot of traction on the internet by weirdos, it can be completely debunked instantly by any one of them just spending an afternoon on the beach with me.

27:27Luke Moore: Yeah, exactly. But again, facts aren't that important to those who are of certain ilk. And I'll leave that there, everybody. Yes, Liverpool 2, Atletico Madrid 1. Of course, Marcos Llorendi scored for Atleti. A reminder that he called his dog Anfield. Much was made of that yesterday because he scored so many goals there. He also previously, as we were saying, dressed up as a bottle of sun cream as a part of an anti-sun cream campaign. Is it a weird way of doing it? It is a very weird way of doing it. sort of become the thing that you you don't want to be um yeah which i yeah fascinating really um but anyway it reminds me of that pork chop that comes up and speaks to nicola murray and are you for the chop mrs murray ah that was good but andy obviously as everybody knows you're vegan um even though you're not so do you or you don't a vegan who enjoys steaks exactly no you don't You don't have, what don't you have?

28:28Luke Moore: Dairy. Dairy products. Yes. Dairy. Yeah, it's like you turning up as a bottle of milk. You'd be like, what are you doing? Well, I'm just. Which I've seen you do. I'm against this. You're not actually against it, are you? Or are you, Andy? Or do we not have time for this? No, no, I'm not against it. Okay, okay, fine. Well, we can continue being friends then, because you have to agree with everything to be friends with people. Alexis McAllister was sad in the build-up to this game. Perhaps he was happier, Luke, after the game. He got the winning goal. Yeah. the old Luke Moore curse I went to town on him yesterday you did you really did yeah yeah yeah I just made the point that he didn't have a great season last season you speculated that he might have been saving himself for the World Cup he was then sad that he didn't get a new contract because Dominic Sabozla and Ryan Gravenberts who actually applied themselves pretty well last season did get a new one so I said basically he should shut his mouth yeah and then he went and scored quite a good winner in the Champions League would it have been funny if the Liverpool hierarchy had a bit of sense of humour about this after Sabozlai scored they'd have come out after the game and gone, we've just given you an extension.

29:27Luke Moore: After that lovely goal, you can have another extension. And that's it. No more extensions today. I like the idea of them putting a contract extension on the wall of the dressing room to inspire him. And then when he gets home after school and the winner, someone's just put an extension on his house. There's your extension. There we are, you see. We won't give you an extension. We will give you a lean-to. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. A little bit corrugated iron on the roof. It is funny, actually, though. like that level of confidence like obviously it feels and it's painted like McAllister's having his sort of bite back but actually when he goes to strike the ball, Sobbersly's going towards it and he just tells him to F off, doesn't he?

30:09Nice. Before he hits it. And given like what Sobbersly's like as a shooter fair enough he was a fairly in a fairly unforgiving position sort of on the half turn but for McAllister to have that level of confidence to go, look, I know you hit a ball better than anyone in the game, but get out of it. I'm Jürgen Alberts tonight.

30:28Luke Moore: Oh, good reference. There's a contract on the line here for me. Get out the fucking way. Yeah, I mean, McAllister can hit them, we know, and he proved it again last night with a lovely strike. My favourite moment of the game, Andy, and I'm sure it was yours as well because you love the old Joga Benita, was Arahao. Oh, that's lovely. With assist for the Savoslai goal. That little flick, Andy, you having that one? Yeah, it was brilliant after Llorente scored that goal from right back. And he's like, yeah, yeah, you know, I know Trent Alexander-Arnold has provided a load of amazing assists here before, but this is maybe the best assist by right back ever at Anfield, which is pretty amazing, wasn't it?

31:08Luke Moore: It's a packed list. That is a very, very controversial thing you just said there, Andy. No, that's Araujo's view, not mine. Oh, is that right? I'm just guessing. You're just invoking the Luke Moore law here. Well, I just, some people are saying. I think Araujo could have been like, look, the Liverpool fans are hurting because Trent's gone. Let me give him a little bit of flavour of what they've missed. Well, if he's so committed there, then he would dress up as a rat, wouldn't he? Because it's a thing he doesn't want to be. He would, actually. Or take a quick corner. No, a slow corner. A slow corner.

31:38Luke Moore: I can get an amazing assistant with everybody in position. It won't bother me. Fine, then. You can set up as you like. In it comes. I found this game quite fascinating because it was really, genuinely was a game of two halves. Liverpool clearly were confused about what Atletico were doing. Yes. And in the second half, they kind of came into their own, worked it out and got the job done. I actually think it is a pretty good feather in the cap of Areola, actually, who's found it a little bit tough. Obviously, it's a big adjustment period for him, moving from a club the size of Bournemouth to a club the size of Liverpool.

32:12They obviously had this thing where they tried to chase Barcola. They finally got him. He looked quite bright, actually, particularly in the second half. But it was a game where they played much better after the adjustments the coach made than before. And I think if you're Areola, you probably want a lot of people to know that because he's obviously fighting for his credentials. Early extension. Shit, I was in the second half. Come on, give us a contract. What, another one? So soon after the first one. I think it is pleasing, clearly. He'll be delighted, Areola, that he's able to adjust. He's not managed at this level particularly before, and he's been able to adjust against a good-seasoned team who have got a coach there who's been there for about 400 years, who are used to playing in the Champions League, and he's got one over on him.

33:01I think that's a real feather in his cap.

33:02Luke Moore: I do as well, Luke, and I think you're right to point that out, because, as you say, he admitted, didn't he, that Atletico surprised them. and so yes, that does bode very, very well indeed. Bearing in mind, it's the first time he's managed Liverpool in the Champions League. It's absolutely enormous. One can forget about that, the pressure to deliver something good on a European art Anfield against, as you say, a canny opponent, but a good win. Andy, Mr Barkler played. He didn't score it, a couple of sniffs at goal. In fact, pretty good chances it didn't do it. You had some interesting thoughts on Bradley Barcala, on the continent, should I say, with regard to the fee and Liverpool getting him in there.

33:44Luke Moore: Could you, you know, rehash some of those thoughts that you had only fairly recently to those who maybe hadn't heard them? Because I, like you, was, you know, surprised. I mean, again, a player of his quality, but for that fee coming into this Liverpool team, But let's be honest, expectations are going to be really, really big. And it's, you know, Wurz is still feeling his way out at Anfield, and that was an enormous fear as well. Alexander Isak is as well. You've got these£100 million plus players, and it's kind of like, I know how transfers work these days. You have to spend that amount of money now, especially if you're a Premier League club, because you have the money and everybody knows you do.

34:26Luke Moore: But you've got to spend that on the potential rather than the actual finished product nowadays. so if you could your thoughts on Barclay going to Liverpool sort of generally and how you feel that he's got on in this very short sample size well he's in the sweet spot isn't he between someone who we know that can produce at elite level and has a big ceiling to get a lot better that's why he's cost so much and I don't think there's anything illogical about that at all as I said before the coaching staff at PSG strongly believed that they could turn him into a 30 goal a season guy with the right coaching.

35:03I think that's probably 30 league on goals rather than 30 Premier League goals. But look, I think you could see really from the way they were using him last night, this is just a first impression, that that is basically the plan. They want to get him into that position to score more goals. And I thought it was very interesting with that in mind, that Ngomoa starts on the left-hand side. He was excellent, by the way. really, really, really good. Because obviously we assume that Barker having cost that much money is going to go on the left. But I thought Barker looked like what he is. Someone who's a little bit rusty as a starter.

35:45It will take time, but really I think they're going to coach him into that player that's going to score them a ton of goals. A little bit like they did with Mo Salah, really. That's the aim, isn't it? Not that he's the exact same player as Mo Salah. Far from it. But Mo Salah wasn't Mo Salah when he arrived at Liverpool. He wasn't a 30, 40-goal season guy when he arrived at Liverpool. He became that. So that really is the aim. It's just in terms of where Liverpool need to grow, I guess how it all clicks together up front is interesting to me. Because obviously there's always been a question, did they need Isak when they had Eketike?

36:25Now, obviously, they need him at the moment. But once everyone's fit, you have those two. You have Hakpo. You have to find the right spot for Vietz as well. And I thought Vietz was really good. It felt like a really big step forward for Liverpool this game. I felt that Vietz and Sobberzla and Isak really clicked together nicely, especially as the game went on. At the start, I thought, yeah, this is kind of another transitional season for Liverpool. But they were so convincing in the second half, you thought, actually, give them a fair wind. They're actually a contender to win this, aren't they?

37:06Do you know what? I fear for Verts. I still fear for him. In what way? I think that, to me, there's quite an obvious lack of physicality there. and I think domestically in the Premier League I just feel like I think he obviously he ended the season much better last season and you give a player a bit of grace because you know he's in a new division and all the rest of it but what I really wanted to see from him I don't really feel like I've seen which is that I wanted him to really work on his physicality in the summer and try and you know make that adjustment finally for the start of the new season and really hit the ground running in the new season I just don't really think he's done that.

37:48I think he gets, my personal view is that, and it's made change, and he's only 23, I get that, and he's obviously incredibly talented, and I like him as a player. Brilliant, technically. I think he gets bullied out of games, Andy. I think he gets bullied out of it. But that's to do with how the team sets up, surely. I mean, no one ever said that about, like, Luka Modric or David Silva. They were a good example of... Yeah, but he's not as good as them. He's not as good as them. Well, not yet. I think it's fair to say, but again, they're buying the potential as well as what's currently there. What I saw from him is him put in a position where he's not peripheral to the game.

38:24So I thought he was very, very good in a number of different positions. He was given that sort of freedom, actually, yesterday that he had from Jabby Alonso at Leverkusen, which is obviously where he's going to succeed. But he earned it by working very hard off the ball as well. Now, look, you're right. Maybe it's different in a European context to a Premier League context. But let's face it, Atletico are no shrinking violets either, are they? So I think it's quite a good test case. To be able to do it consistently, of course, that's a different thing. I think you're overrating how good he was last night, personally.

39:02I thought he was decent. There's just something about him that he flatters to deceive. And I think the comparisons there that you've made are unfair on him. he's never going to be as good as David Silva that's not going to happen and Luka Modrici's best position is a different position in my view so I think it's just but we're talking about players being effective in the centre of the pitch in the Premier League sure but I think you can I think you can be really effective in the centre of the pitch if you are that good right if you are that good I think it can compensate I think at the moment Virts gets it just feels a bit like he gets buffeted around by the cut and thrust of the physicality of the game.

39:42And that may change because he may get cuter and he may get even better and he may bulk up and he may get used to it or whatever. I'm not really trying to criticise him, although it sounds like I am. I just think because of the fee and because of how technically good he is, people desperately want him to be brilliant. And I don't know if he's going to get to that level. I hope he does, but I don't think we're going to be talking about him in the same breath as a David Silva or a Luka Modric in years to come. I just don't think that's the case.

40:06Luke Moore: I have to say, I fall down more on Luke's side of the fence. But Andy, That's your first mistake. But Andy, I will always have an escape plan. Don't you worry about that. Now, Liverpool, yes, they've won the Champions League many times. Who's going to win it this time, Andy? Barcelona beat Feyenoord 5-1. They've started their campaign very, very well. Gabi Jesus! Gabriel Jesus scored for Barcelona. Lovely to see him there. And the aforementioned PSG won 6-1 against Slovan Bratislava. I spare a thought for Yaya Toure there. Although they did get arguably the goal of the game. So maybe, unconfirmed reports at the moment, PSG could hear Slovan Bratislava singing, good goals.

40:50Luke Moore: We only score good goals in the away dressing room. That's doubtful. It is funny when you look at the players, the forward players that they let go this summer between them, those two. So you think Barcelona lose a lot of goals in Lewandowski, Rashford, Ferran Torres. PSG, obviously they get in Ferran Torres, who's got a hat-trick in this, but they let go Barcala and Gonzalo Jamos. And they both look better in the front third than they did last season. Yes. Yes. Obviously, a big part of that is Hansi Flick, because rather than... They don't manage to get in Julian Alvarez. So Flick is really good, better than any other coach at convincing players to play in a position that's not theirs.

41:36Just goes, oh, right, easy. Rafinha, you're my centre forward now. And it turns out he's an amazing centre forward. Nice.

41:42Luke Moore: Yeah, I mean, Barcelona have started the season like a runaway freight train. I mean, they've scored 22-plus goals in their first five games of a season for the first time since 1950, when a man called Ferdinand Daucic was in charge. So that kind of shows you how hungry they are for goals. We'll see what the defence is like as the tournament goes on. But we were talking about Arsenal previously and their Champions League credentials. You think it's Arsenal, Bayern and PSG are the top three. How close do you think Barcelona and Real Madrid, Jose Mourinho's Real Madrid, are to those three, Andy?

42:23Barcelona, yes. Real Madrid, not so much. Is that because of Mourinho? Is he a factor in that? It's really hard to know at this point whether he's a positive or not. negative factor because I think you know you can look at the trophies in or lack thereof in the last decade and it's easy to think he's a busted flush but coaching Real Madrid is not like coaching any other team and of course he's got far better players at his disposal than he had at Roma or Fenerbahce or arguably in the back end at Man United as well certainly at Tottenham

42:57Luke Moore: If I was to push you for an answer on your favourite, would it be PSG? PSG, Bayern and Arsenal, I find very, very difficult to separate. Really? I think you can make a really good case for any of those three. Interesting. Luke, would you agree or disagree? You've got the option. Yeah, I mean, I was interested to see, I was reading before we came on to that, I was reading that Barcelona, the most accurate bookmaker in my experience, Barcelona are favourites, but it is very close. I mean, Andy's spot on. If you look at the three or four teams, it's very close. Not much to pick between them. And ultimately, what you're asking us to do is predict.

43:36If it goes as we expect, you're asking us to predict the drop of a ball, a referee's decision of, you know... Injuries. Yeah, an injury, whatever. So I think I would always, in that kind of situation, I would always favour the team that's done it before, the stability. And, you know, if you look at PSG and their manager and the fact that they're basically building a legacy, aren't they? I think that does count for something. But, you know, the other way you want to look at it is, and Andy's touched on this at the start of this little chat, you know, which teams are coming into this season better than they were last season?

44:07Is it too early to say? I think, you know, obviously Barcelona have started the season amazingly. Arsenal, you might say, are looking like they might be stronger, right? And they came very close last year. And PSG have lost players. So, who knows?

44:21Luke Moore: I'd love Anthony Gordon doing it at Barcelona. That would be mad, wouldn't it? That'd be incredible. They're loving him there. And I'm loving him there. Yeah. Well, gentlemen, we've reached the end of the review section of the Champions League matches last night. And Andy, you're off. You have no interest in talking about the Carabao Cup, Chelsea's six-lead United. You don't want to talk about Mike Penders. He doesn't want to. Disgrace. He's dead to me since he left Strasbourg. But Andy, an absolute pleasure having you on the show. Cheers, Andy. We'll try and get you for a full one next time. But you're off to On the Continent.

44:56Luke Moore: So if you want to hear more from Andy, Dotton and the gang, which I'm sure everybody does, then we can check out On the Continent to hear you, Dotton and the gang, talking more European football. Nice one, Brassel. Cheers, Andy. Au revoir. Right. Coming up after this, there's been a rare sighting of Mike Penders.

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47:18Luke Moore: Welcome back to the Football Ramble, everybody. Chelsea 6, Leeds United 3 in the Carabao Cup. At some point in this game, it was 0-0. And then at halftime, it was 1-0. A bumper second half. Luke, was it you or Jim who were saying recently that you often get a good first half? I think it was yourself in the context of Club Brugger against Aston Villa. When you get that bumper first half, you kind of go, ah, the second half. yesterday yeah yeah right and uh whereas this one was was quite the opposite really um loads and loads of goals in that in that second half leads as they went went two goals up and Chelsea came roaring back and it was interesting because Chelsea clearly by and large playing um a second string certainly with regard to players they're more attacking players Alonso giving some of the others a chance and we thought well yeah Chelsea can go full throttle in all the cup competitions because they've not got European football and then at halftime he started making changes like yep yep he wants do you know what I'm going to say he wants a domestic treble that's what he's after this season I don't think that's controversial so that's what he wants I think probably every manager would want that if he came out and denied that that would be very strange yeah that would be that would be unbelievable quite literally Marcus this was the best night out in West London since you took me to your local oh you're very kind you're very kind I mean I'm more South West London if we're going to be if we're going to be very accurate but I don't think we should be that accurate no it's just a joke don't worry about it yeah also much more inaccurate stuff between now and the end of the show I promise you that and that is a Luke Moore guarantee if you could if you could but yeah Chelsea they came roaring back Cole Palmer Morgan Rodgers he got a hat-trick of assists Palmer obviously got a brace all came on lovely to see Danny Will but getting a brace as well yeah he scored yeah scored two goals as you said the last one very late on Valentin Barco made a big contribution as well and in playing in central midfield which is interesting I don't want to see him do very well so that was difficult for me to swallow but nevertheless I've got to do it Pedro Neto came on scored as well Neto's an interesting one because he was obviously linked quite heavily with the move to Saudi in the summer and he had kind of flattered to deceive a bit last season played a lot but make a massive contribution from what I remember and he now finds himself as perhaps at least in terms of column inches and attention is not really going to be on everyone's lips because of the other players they've brought in right I mean if you look at Neto last season started 30 games in the Premier League and five goals and six assists.

49:48Fine, not bad, decent. But for a player of his ability and if the position he plays, you'd expect more from him. He's not going to be under as much pressure this season. Is he going to feature as much? We don't know. But what this was, was as you've already alluded to, Marcus, another kind of ringing endorsement of what Chelsea are able to do going forward. And they've got players now in the shape of Palmer, in the shape of Rodgers and Pedro, who I know didn't feature, but just generally speaking, who can actually just cause problems for any team. And at the start of the season, I chose Chelsea to win the league, as a lot's been made of, and I said Rodgers would be the player of the season.

50:29I mean, Odegaard at the moment might be his big rival, but I mean, Rodgers is having an amazing start to life at Chelsea. We've got to make that absolutely clear. He's been sensational from the very start.

50:41Luke Moore: Yeah, he has. and can I be a bit naughty and say he's given Thomas Toothall a bit of a selection headache? Well, after Bellingham's two misses. Did you see Bellingham posted on, was it on Instagram? I don't know what, W2F, I don't know what I was thinking there with those two misses or something like that. Which is what I said yesterday. You did. Once again, finger on the... For some reason it means more coming from him. I don't know why. Might be some reason for that. I mean, Leeds United have not conceded many goals this season so far. and yet when they turn up at Stamford Bridge when Alonso brings on I was about to say brings on the bomb squad that's more like a South Africa rugby spring box kind of term but obviously a bomb squad in football is a bit different isn't it?

51:23Luke Moore: Yeah. But he brings on the heavies and they couldn't do anything about it and they I'll be honest with you I've not seen a full Leeds United game yet just because the vagaries the fixture list and when they've played and all that other stuff last night I watched Arsenal Napoli so I didn't see this game in its entirety I watched extended highlights afterwards. So I don't have a strong handle on Leeds just yet. But they've had a creditable start to the season. This is the first game they've lost. Good away win on the opening day. They're not going to be the last team to be blown away by Chelsea going forward this season.

51:58It's a League Cup, so does it matter less? Probably for a team like Leeds who maybe feel like they're in that position where they can maybe go deep in the League Cup, but ultimately will just want to stay in the division. I don't think they're quite at that level yet under Farker, where they can go for a cut. I mean, you might disagree, Mark, but I don't really see Leeds in the same bracket as a kind of Palace under Glasner or a Newcastle under Eddie Howe. I see them as almost in a different stage than that. I think they're still kind of looking to stay in the division, really. But they started the season really well, and they could well prove me wrong, but it won't be in the League Cup, obviously.

52:31They've also had quite a tough draw in this competition because they've had to go to Nottingham Forest in the last round. and they won, obviously. And then obviously going to Stamford Bridge is a tough ask as well. So yeah, no shame on it.

52:45Luke Moore: It is, yeah, no shame at all. Now, Chelsea, as I say, they'll be after silverware this season. They won the league title way back in 2016-17, if you can remember that far back. And former Chelsea manager, Maurizio Pochettino, believes they should be stripped of that title. Yes, explosive comments from our poch. Just to remind ourselves, Chelsea, of course, were given a£10 million fine recently and no sporting sanction, of course. This was after admitting to 74 breaches of FA rules, including making£47 million in illegal secret payments to unregistered agents between 2011 and 2018. So a lot of people thought that was quite a lenient punishment.

53:31Luke Moore: And Mauricio Pochettino is one of them. He is at the vanguard of this. And he said, I have no doubt and I'm not scared to say the truth. The Chelsea fans will be upset with me. It's not me complaining. It's the truth. If they admitted they broke the rules, the Premier League title was for the second best team, which was, of course, his Tottenham team. If you broke the rules, then ciao, you need to give it to another team. Luke Moore, could Spurs be Premier League title winners if people bow to Pochettino's will? No. All right. Okay. Hope that's helpful. Right. I do like the energy that Pochettino's bringing here.

54:09Previous employer, you know, wants to make sure that people don't forget about him out in the US.

54:16Luke Moore: Yeah. Rebuild some bridges with Spurs. Tapping. Exactly. Tapping into the idea that Chelsea got away with one, which they did. You know, it's ticking all the boxes for me. But that's the problem with these issues, right? It seems to me, or it seems to many people, I suppose, that the authorities, such as they are, have decided the only way to deal with these types of issues is to impose financial penalties. And the reason for that is what Pochettino is saying. If you open the can of worms, the Pandora's box, you can't unring the bell that says, if you're going to strip a title off someone or you're going to strip a result off someone, the ripples in the pond, the football pond, travel far and wide.

55:00and it affects everyone, you know, to make it absolutely abundantly clear. You know, if Man City get stripped of one thing or another and are proven to have done what everyone suspects they've done, you know, if you're a relegated team of that particular season, you're going to go, well, hang on a minute, we lost to them twice. And if we had six points more, we should be in the Premier League and we've missed out on this, that and the other and the whole thing becomes a massive can of worms. So, the authorities won't thank Pochettino for piping up, but I am thanking him because I think it's great content.

55:31yeah let's be absolutely what does he think about the Falklands oh there's a lot of chat about that

55:36Luke Moore: isn't there at the moment in uh in one part of the world Argentina um I did you know what right look can I break rank and be a little bit political for a moment or is that unwise I don't care what you do mate I know what you're asking me I think it's unwise let's move on because you were saying earlier you'd you'd be happy to go down there and tow the Falklands all the way back to England, weren't you? Oh, well, let's see if there's oil down there first. Moving on swiftly. Manchester United. The Manchester United are back in the Champions League tonight. They're playing Sabah. Mr. Loverman, Sabah.

56:11Mr. Loverman, Sabah.

56:14Luke Moore: Yes, tonight at 8pm. They're playing Sabah ranks. They're playing Sabah and Depp. um so that song mr lover man is actually shabba ranks isn't it i i assume so i can only assume so would mr lover man be their manager the much talked about valdas dan brukas i'm sure that's pronounced wrong but he um he's made quite the career for himself i mean have you read up about uh old valvas i mean it's incredible yeah i have but i need to be honest with you go on and our listeners when I say I had quite simply never heard of this team until the Champions League draw happened so if you're coming to me for insight here get Andy back that's all I'm going to say if you're not doing any research into teams that need to go through four rounds to reach the Champions League proper the league phase then I respect it then what are you doing with your time quite frankly I respect the hustle but what I'd be really interested in doing is is no finding out If you think there is a theme to the top songs released by well-famous Jamaican artist Shabba Ranks, if I list you the titles of the songs released by Shabba Ranks in the 80s and 90s, can you detect a theme?

57:30Okay, answer at the end.

57:31Luke Moore: Okay. First one, Mr. Loverman. Then Tingaling. Then Housecall. Right? And it gets better than that. Next one, trailer load of girls. Back them in. You get one or two. You get one more in there. Three balls to go. Twice my age. Oh, thank goodness. Yeah. He's better than you're 30. And followed by slow and sexy. And the fan favourite. Finally for now, the fan favourite bedroom bully. Oh, God. Ben is. What's your next album? I'm going to be about... Oh, is it? Okay, right. Bedroom bully. He just likes having sex, Marcus. Ah, bedroom bully. Could you say the same about the Sabah manager? Valdas Dambrovskis?

58:22Luke Moore: I don't... I would not want to suggest that anybody is a bedroom bully. Where do you think Sabah are going to rank in the Champions League group state? I don't know. They might bully their way somewhere. Bedroom... That is... I don't know what is... Yeah. Valdas. Valdas Dambrovskis. I'm going to call him Big Val. He was on Lithuania's Who Wants to Be a Millionaire in 2002. He won 4 ,000 litres. That's not Leroy litres. That's the local currency. That's reportedly about between£725 and£1 ,000, depending on which article you've read. It's a poor return then. He must have gone up pretty early. He used his lifelines.

59:02Luke Moore: Well, he said it was about six months' wages in Lithuania. Obviously, but I guess fair enough. I guess I'm going for the title of the show, which I assume everyone wins a million. I was going to say he won that much. He obviously didn't win the whole thing. He moved to England at 25 with his winnings. He spent his winnings on new beginnings. And with the money, he won. He did his UA for coaching badges whilst having to work three or four other jobs. But he loves his football. He was doing that. Never played as a professional footballer. His first chance at a professional club was with Manchester United Soccer School.

59:37Luke Moore: So obviously quite low down on the ranks, but still Manchester United affiliate team. And then he's done the rounds. I mean, he's coached in Bulgaria. He's coached all over the place. He's won trophies. And now he's at Sabah. And incredibly, he's become the first ever Baltic coach to reach the Champions League main round. It is a remarkable story. I would implore everybody to have a look into this. Because as I say, I could just read it all out for you. I think that would be quite boring. But just to give you a little taster, because his journey has been incredible. and to be there against Manchester United as well, where for him sort of in terms of professional clubs was where it all began is wonderful.

1:00:17Luke Moore: I'm so glad that they've drawn them at Old Trafford as well. What a story, you know. Starting out as a handyman, doing a paper round and doing floor polishing like very early morning alongside coaching the Man United Soccer School, which is basically just one of these affiliated things for kids. that journey to actually playing United not just in a competitive game but in the highest competitive level of football a lot of people would say anywhere is an incredible story. I feel somewhat like I might have undermined his achievements by doing a big section on Shabba Ranks at the start of this but he shouldn't take that personally because I don't want to be under any illusion but we respect what he's achieved very, very much.

1:00:59Luke Moore: Oh, I agree. And as I say, it's great. You're going to hear a lot of that from the commentators all about Big Val. But I think it's great. I think it's absolutely great. And what would be even better is if they make a little upset happen at Old Trafford tonight. That will not be happening. But, you know, we can dare to dream, can't we? Well, is there no chance, do you think? I mean, you think Manchester United... There's always a chance. Three horse race markers. Okay, fair enough. I think there is a huge chance that something might happen. Thank you very much for listening to the Football Ramble, part of the AKL's Creator Network.

1:01:33Luke Moore: Luke and I will be back tomorrow alongside Pete. And remember, we'll be live. So join us on our YouTube channel at 9.30am. It promises to be a classic.

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