Luke's Game: Premier League Cult Heroes

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4:17We're back, ladies and gentlemen, for another round of Luke's Game. But before we get started, a reminder that we're on the lookout for a new name for Luke's Game, despite the protest from Luke Moore there. If you're on the Football Ramble patron or our Discord, we will be accepting suggestions and deciding on our favourites. So send them in.

4:40Luke: Yeah, it needs to stop being called Luke's Game, really, because I keep getting drive-by on YouTube from people who don't really know the show. that way I'm thinking I'm sort of a rampant egotist, which you two would both agree I am not. No. No. Now, let's get on with it. We're back with Luke's game. Luke is red hot. He's beaten myself and Vish. So we're giving him a break from playing. He'll be today's referee. It is his game after all, until a new name is found. It's going to be me versus Jim. Yeah, it's funny how dead set you were and it'd be a winner stays on at the start of this. And that's what I wanted.

5:13But you were like, oh, no, I want to host.

5:16Luke: The listeners can draw their own conclusions, can't they, Jim? Jim, you know the truth as well. I can't remember the truth, I'll be honest. Not the same when Jack Nicholson says it, though. You are making your debut. I am. Or second debut, I suppose. It's been a long time. It feels... I'm nervous, I'll be honest. It's a very different type of game. You feel nervous? That's okay. Don't be nervous. People have played for loads of clubs. You're among friends. So many clubs. You're among friends. First place, Gary Neville. Marcus has been one outing one quite comprehensive defeat comprehensive wouldn't be the word I would use not compared to vicious defeat that was comprehensive that was a comprehensive defeat yes so Jim Marcus you can either beat Marcus and condemn him to two defeats out of two or you can if you lose Marcus get off the mark each round off the Marcus yeah exactly off the Marcus there are people out there still unbelievably who don't know the rules to Luke's game so I'll just remind everyone of them they're super simple won't take long Each round, I'll name a player.

6:12Luke: And each of you will offer me a bid for how many of their clubs you can name. Players can either keep increasing the bids or call out the previous player and get them to name the number of clubs they've bid. So you've very much got to back up what you're touting. You've got to back it up. No repetition. No wrong answers are accepted. And they must have played a competitive game for the club to count. Or play best of five, as we always do. And the most important thing you need for this game, lads, is fire in the belly and head in the freezer. There we go. Let's get on with it. Okay. This week's subject is admittedly quite a bit harder than the last two.

6:50Luke: Right. I mean, last two we've had, what, England legends, I think, and Premier League legends. World Cup legends. World Cup legends. Very easy start. You know, we can get into kind of swing of things. And now we've got Arsenal legends. This one's tough because it is going to be today Premier League cult hero. Oh, okay. So we are going to go with Marcus first. That was a random draw, down on the flip of a coin. And Marcus is going to go first. The first player has played for eight clubs in total. And he is your friend and mine, Marcus. Mr. Andy Carroll. Andy Carroll. Does he count as a cult hero?

7:33Luke: I reckon he probably does. I think so. So Marcus goes first. So just to remind everyone listening, and that means he will bid his number first for the amount of clubs that Andy Carroll has played for that he can name. Marcus, do I have an opening bid for you yet? This is so frustrating because you think eight clubs. Yeah. And I can only... What's your opening bid? Listen, the great thing about this game when compared to Jackson Cyclope is you can be tactical. You can push a big number out there if you want. You can put pressure straight on Jim right away or you can go into it softly, softly, gently ease your way in.

8:04Luke: However aggressive or defensive you want to be in this game is up to you. I should probably remind people that Lars Sivitson wants one around this game without naming a single club. So it can be done. Marcus, what's your opening bid? I'm struggling so much here. Why am I struggling with Andy Carroll? We've loved the man for so long. Is it because... I don't think you have the facilities for that big man. Yeah, I think it is. A little throwback. Missed that. Yeah. Come on, I need a number from you now. I'm going to have to push you. Four. Four clubs. Jim, would you be interested? That to me feels a bit like a sweet spot out of eight.

8:35Luke: I don't know. I think Jim's got more. Can you go five? I think I can do five. So you're bidding five? I am. Six from you, Marcus? I've really dropped the ball here. Six? You want to have a go? This is so piss poor. Would you like to have a go at six? Or would you like Jim to name his five? Why can I not do more? Andy bloody Carroll. Going to have to hurry you for an answer. Do you? People aren't listening. It's the name of the game, isn't it? They are. Jim can do five. I've thrown this first one away. Okay, Jim. Well, I might get to screw it up. One at a time, please, Jim. It's really boring me, that.

9:05Luke: Give me a chance to double-check everything. Do tell us, name your five clubs that you think Andy Carroll has played a competitive game for. So, of course, Newcastle United. That's correct. That's one. Got his big move to Liverpool. That's also correct. That's two. I'm sure we all had those. Yeah. He was at West Ham for a long time. Yep. That's three. He was at Reading. Very good. Ah, that was the one. That's four. And the club he was in in France was Bordeaux, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Correct, Jim. That's one. Yeah, go. Reading, well played. So who were the other three? One nil to Jim. We're at a good start.

9:34Luke: So the other ones you can have in alphabetical order, the ones you didn't name of the eight were Amiens. He spent some time on loan at Preston North End. Didn't know that. That's fair enough. It's okay if you don't know. If you don't know, you don't know. The final one, which you probably kick yourself about, is he also spent some time at West Brom. Ah, West Brom. Do you know what I knew it was? And I was thinking, was it Bolton? Was it West Brom? Yeah, I was one at Stoke. Yeah, Reading was the one. Which of those did you have, Mark? So I had Bordeaux, West Ham, Newcastle and Liverpool. But the other French club, I just couldn't think of.

10:01I don't know. Well played, Jim. Well played, Sam.

10:05Luke: Well played. We're going to round two now. Jim, you get to bid first on this one. You're 1-0 up, just as a reminder. This player has played for nine clubs in total. I think we can all agree has been an absolute joy to watch in his career. A real eye-catching player to watch play. But when he was catching your eye, why are you making note of the shirt he had on his back? That's what we need to know because nine clubs in total, Jim, for your opening bid for Adel Terat. Oh, blimey. Adel Terat. So, like I say, amazing, skillful, engaging player. Get people out of their seat just to watch him. How many of the nine clubs that Adel Tarak played for, Jim, could you name?

10:43Luke: This is a really tricky one. It is. It is tough. It's one of those ones I used to say back in the original round of Luke's game, if you can name all these, I'll give you the money myself. Yeah. Yeah. But the tactical part of this, Jim, is finding that sweet spot, which is realistic for you, but piles the pressure straight on Marcus. Absolutely. Yeah, which is in itself quite difficult.

11:08I'm killing time because I'm trying to think. There's a couple I'm sure on. But...

11:14Luke: Have a little bid and then you fill the blanks in later. Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? Because I want to win the point. I think Marcus has lost quite a lot of his confidence. I can't believe it. Andy Carroll, you'd think that that was me. I was disappointed. When I said four, I knew I'd slipped up. But I think it's more you could ask for when Andy Carroll is the opening one. Yeah. And you come up short. Jim, let's have a number for you. I'm going to bid three. Three, okay. Opening bid. It's an honest and firm opening bid. Marcus, would you like to do four or maybe more? I'm going to have to go four.

11:44Luke: Okay, you go four. Jim, can I hear five from you? You absolutely cannot. You don't want to do five? I don't think I'll get five. Okay. Marcus, it's incumbent upon you now to name your four, one at a time, of the nine clubs that Adel Terrap played for. Queen's Park Rangers. damn fairly safe one you had that one Jim right I did yeah that's one Fulham also played for Fulham yeah that's two AC Milan he did well remembered Benfica guess what Benfica he says for his fourth he's got it written down he looks comfortable he looks confident it's one all yeah that's the I had QPR Benfica and a guess at Fiorentina which would have been wrong right it would have been wrong the other clubs he played for in alphabetical order Al Nasser probably wouldn't have got that at Genoa.

12:30Yeah, I knew there was another Italian one in there, but I couldn't think.

12:33Luke: Lens, he played for. He played for Sharjah. And one club that he played for, quite famously, that hasn't had a mention so far in this little section, Tottenham Hotspur. I had Spurs, question mark. Of course he did. So if you'd have gone four, I'd have gone for Spurs. Harry Redknapp said he was the most talented player at the club, famously, didn't he? There we go. So that's one all. Tricky one with Tara. He's poised. Come on. Yeah, it's a great one. I cannot stress this enough, and people listening now who heard last week and the week before will agree. It's much tougher this week. The subject has made it much tougher.

13:02Luke: So we go back to Marcus for an opening bid. The next player is absolutely finally poised at 1-0. This is tough. You've said that every time so far. It is tough. Kind of right. This to me falls under the kind of category of really famous player but not necessarily that famous for the clubs he's played for. He's played for seven clubs in total, Marcus. He's absolutely a Premier League cult hero without question. Seven clubs in total. So good they named him twice. JJ Ococha. JJ Ococha. I suppose it's not too much of a spoiler to say that if we're doing Premier League cult heroes, at least you guys know they've at least played for one Premier League team.

13:45Yeah, and they really have just played for one Premier League team in some cases. Oh, wow. Shit in your head and punch it. Exactly.

13:53Luke: Look, if you've got the fire in your belly, that's fine, but you also need your head in the freezer because you need to be calm. You need to think about this. You need to cast your mind back and try and envisage the shirt on the back of the player when you watched him play. So seven clubs for JJ, Cochumarcus. What's your opening bid? And sometimes we do get humble opening bids of two. Dare I say, maybe even one sometimes. I suspect there might be a one coming now because you've got to make a bid. All right. I'll go with what I'm confident with then. Three. That's a strong opening bid, that Jim.

14:22Luke: Four onto you is tough. That's the dictionary definition and a sweet spot bid, that. See, I'm not confident on the three. You're going to have to go four. I've got three. You're going to have to go four, my friend. It's going to just involve a massive guess, though. But that's a good tactic. Sometimes it comes off and it's spectacular. Yeah, but it's going to involve two guesses, and the odds deplete massively there, I think. But why not, you know? We're in it to entertain the people, right? So I'll go four. Oh, fair play. Good man. Why not? Good man. I need a little thing to say. You get a point just for that.

14:58All right.

14:58Luke: He doesn't, he doesn't. All right, I'll have five then. No, I'll have five. Jim can name his four. You're going to go five? No, Jim can name his four. Jim, just a little, I mean, the game is named after me for now. Yes. Don't talk about how uncomfortable you are doing four, because that means he's never going to bid five. Yeah, but he might be bluffing me. You've got to go. You've got to go. Luke, I think it's fair to say I couldn't name five. Okay. Well, let's hear Jim not name four. Well, I think Jim might have. One at a time, Jim. four pleas of the seven clubs that JJ Kocher turned out for.

15:30Luke: So he obviously played for Bolton Wanderers. We all remember that. We enjoyed that a lot. He played for PSG. So there's the two everybody knows. He did play for PSG. He feels like he played for Galatasaray. Oh. Out of interest, who was your fourth? I was getting to that. I was probably going to guess Lazio. Allow me to deny you getting to the fourth by saying that's wrong on a play. And you want Natsio as well? Yeah. It's also wrong. Great. Did he play for Hull City? He did play for Hull City. Yeah, so that was my three. Yeah, I wondered Stoke. Nope. West Brom. Again, that's the biggest round.

16:08West Brom is there. There's four wrong. There was a club. There's a new game next week.

16:14Luke: The clubs that Clays didn't play for. Yeah, we'd be brilliant at that. I think there was a Middle Eastern club. He might have even played for an Egyptian club like Zamolak or something. Okay, go on. Evolved, why not? Man United. He could do a job for him now. So, the point goes to Marcus. Thanks. Did he play for a Turkish club?

16:35Luke: Marcus got the point, though. It's 2-1 to Marcus. I'll give you the teams in alphabetical order, as has become the custom. So, he started off playing at Borussia Neunkirchen, who are obviously not a top flight German club. Nobody knows them. Bolton, you mentioned. in the course everyone knows that Eintracht Frankfurt he played for the Turkish club was Fenerbahce I knew it wasn't going to touch right whole city PSG as you mentioned and the final one alluded to by you Marcus the Middle Eastern club Qatar SC he played for yeah I wouldn't have got that

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20:26Luke: So that means it's 2-1 to Marcus. All to play for though. All to play for. So we're going to round four, which Jim gets the honor to bid first on. This guy was known for something very specific. His son is known for being good at lots of things. He played for seven clubs in total, which I couldn't believe when I saw this, but he did play for seven. It's a long throw merchant himself. Oh my goodness. He of the towel, until the towel was outlawed. Rory DeLapp, father of Liam, Rory DeLapp. Seven clubs in total, Jim. Again, it's a tough one. I'm just going to bid one. Now, Marcus, I think Jim can do the one so you've got no choice but to bid two really I've been bold in the last one I'm going to be the opposite in this one if you don't bid two you're dying on your knees here you've got to go out of your shield at least are you going to bid two?

21:17what kind of man would I be if I said let Jim I've obviously got to go two haven't I? Jim? yeah I'll let him go two oh my

21:28Luke: I remember now when we folded this game so two clubs Jim sorry two clubs borrow in mind Jim I've taken your answer now so you can't go back on it if he does name two he's one sure yeah but I think I'm confident but I will absolutely lose if I try to name two that's the problem I can guess but I've played that game it didn't go well I'm confident for Jim I would do the same move as you if I just named five wrong clubs in the most recent one yeah so Marcus for the 3-1 win we will play the final one for obvious reasons but for the 3-1 win to get off the mark in this mini-season of Luke's game. Can you please name two of the seven clubs that Roy DeLapp played for?

22:08Bearing in mind, the listeners will respect it so much if you get the first one wrong.

22:12Luke: I think we all know where he's going first. Yeah. Can I just have the ding? Stoke City. Oh. If you went, oh, that wasn't the one I had. That's right. So you've got to name one more. All right, so this is just a guess. Is it really? Yeah, a complete guess. Okay. Yeah. Why? I think I would have named two. Do you think? Yeah. Why is that? you'll find out. There's no real reason. I just think I can. No, I'm sure. But look, presumably like Pompey probably played this team a few years. No, I'm not giving you any clues. Let's have an answer. It's fucking outrageous the way you treat these guys. Go on, Jim.

22:44Luke: I see it coming. I know. He knows. I just want it acknowledged. Do you know what? The thing is, Jim, I know what he's like and he gets a brick wall from me. But the thing that baffles me is that with our listenership he's still the good guy. I know, right. He's open. What's the matter? Get on with it. Why? We're here to entertain, I've got it here to just give you a wrong answer if you take too long. Okay, okay. How long have I got? Give me a countdown then. Who am I going to go for? Three, two. Blackburn Rovers. Oh, Blackburn Rovers. Now he has played for two clubs in his time. Yes. Well, seven apparently.

23:19Luke: Let me finish. Okay. Starting with the letter B. Oh, don't be like this. Now, one of them was Barnsley. I wouldn't have got that. He spent some time on loan. But what's the other one, Chris Kamara, that started with B? Was it Blackburn Rovers, Jim? It feels like it could have been. If it was, it's 3-1 to Marcus and he's got the win. If it wasn't, we've all to play for the final player. The second team you played for, beginning with B, was Burton Albion. It's wrong. It's wrong, I'm afraid. It feels like you were close there just because of what Luke did. That's why he's a great host, Luke. The thing to remember with Rory the Lap is he played for three clubs with red and white stripes.

24:02Luke: Did he? One of them was Stoke. One of them was Southampton. And one of them was Atletico Madrid. Famously. Captained them to many a try. He'd have done a job for them. No, the third one was Sunderland. So it's Barnsley. In our festival, it's Barnsley. You wouldn't have got that. Burton Albion. I understand you wouldn't have got that. Carlisle United. Yeah. Wouldn't have got that. Derby County. One of those ones I know when you tell me that you play for them. I can picture them in the kit. Stoke City, Southampton and Sunderland. So when you mention Sunderland, it's like, oh, okay. It's a very vague memory there.

24:31Luke: So it's two all. play for and Marcus gets the final first bid. Now this, my friends, is an absolute crapshoot. I mean, I know you feel like it's been tough before, but at least you got a little Philip here, a little kind of bonus here when I tell you these play for at least play for 16 clubs. Oh, bloody hell. You've got a chance of guessing here.

24:58Luke: For the first time ever, it might be a stretch to do one no I'm just joking you'll be fine Marcus you'll be in first it's two all it's all to play for it all comes down to this final one 16 clubs can you name how many of the 16 clubs can you name that Yannick Belassi played for Yannick Belassi it's tough it is tough Jim's going straight to the pen and paper so he's confident I'm not he's projecting an era 16 pissing 16 clubs 16 clubs yeah I mean it's a long career he's had to be fair it is a long career he's been around for a wee while I'll tell you how long his career's been just let me bring it up just to double check Yannick Blassie still only 36 by the way wow his career's going into his 20th year such a fun player great player to watch Marcus I need a bid from you please if there's 16 clubs he's played for how many can you name two two It's a pitiful bid, isn't it?

26:02Luke: That is the kind of bid that lets down the listeners. They're sitting there fuming with you now. Do you know what I'm doing, right? I'm doing that thing that you see in Test cricket, where, you know, you're just holding on for the draw. See out the day. I've started the day trying to see out the day. On the first day of the Test, I'm seeing out the whole of the Test here. So he's done two, Jim. I mean, it's open for Jim. For the sake of all of us. Yeah, come on, Jimbo. I've got to go three. I'm sort of delighted that I only have to go for three, really. But he could go four. He could go four. I could go four.

26:31But will he?

26:31Luke: If he's the man that he behaves like he is, he'll go for four. No, I'm not going for four. So you, out of 16 clubs, Yeah. Right? Yeah. You're asking Jim to name three for the win. Yes. And you've not won a game so far this season. That's right. You sure? Oh, yeah. That's your final answer. Yep, that's it. All right, Jim. Of the 16 clubs Yannick Bellassi played for in his new 20-year career, as a beautiful tribute to all he's achieved in the game, could you please somehow scrape your way to naming three of them? Yeah. Crystal Palace I'm well surprised he started there yeah yeah yeah that's one I believe he went to Everton but I'm not 100 % sure he did play for Everton that was my two that was my two so it all comes down to the last frame with the last flag so Jim if you name a correct club next you win and you condemn Marcus to another defeat what condemn and if you don't Marcus hoovers up the win having not really done much again that's not Terrat I got that one you've got Terrat that's a hard one to be fair yeah yeah yeah so name the third club that you think that Yannick Belassie played a competitive game for for the win got a lot of options here what I need is a good condemning Jimmy yeah you do need that got a lot of options here you can name any club in the world any club I feel like Carve Solicol I could name no I'm not going to name I'll count won't I yeah here we go right I can show my thinking in a way that you can't normally do I'm going to assume he played in France.

27:57That's a good assumption. So, I don't think it would have been necessarily like one of the huge clubs, maybe. Maybe he played in France when he was a bit younger. So, I am gonna kind of pick out of the blue, let's say, Montpellier.

28:17Luke: Okay. Montpellier for the win. By the way, I really like that. I think that was a lovely bit of work in there. 50 caps for the Democrat Republic of Congo, Yannick Belassi. incredible player an amazing career and if he's played for Montpellier you get a win if he hasn't Marcus gets a win would it help you to know that across the 20 years of that career he never once played in France Yannick Vellas he's never played for a French wow damn it I was going to say Genk he was born in Lyon right interestingly enough he was born in Lyon but he had to come to the English pyramid to have his career started.

28:55Luke: He actually started his career at Russian and Diamonds and then he went to Hillingdon Borough. The Russian and Diamonds was a part of his youth career so it doesn't count but the teams he actually played for and there's not a French one among them is Anderlecht, Aston Villa. That was on loan. Barnet, Bristol City, Crick Yuma in Brazil. He's currently at Cruzeiro in Brazil. Blimey! Keiko Resespoor in Turkey, Floriana, Hillingdon Borough, Middlesbrough, Plymouth Argyle, Middlesbrough, So Rushland Diamonds and Sporting Lisbon and Sporting Club de Portugal, whichever one you're talking about. And the final one is Swansea City.

29:31Luke: I should mention that he started his career at Rushland Diamonds in the youth team, but he did go back there as a senior player, so that does count. So I was wrong on that. But they're the 16 clubs he played for. The salient point is this. Marcus wins. Jim loses. It's 3-2. It was a bit of a barn burner in the same way the Europa League final was a bit of a barn burner. Terrible standard. But the win is the win, Marcus. It is, yeah. I mean, how many of you think of Belassi's clubs? I would have done Palace and Everton for sure there's a chance I probably couldn't have done much more than that I don't think Sporting flashed through my mind but in the way that about 30 clubs do if you'd have picked out Sporting that would have been quite something what I would say is this this is your day not mine but just very very quickly it's funny that your tone suggests otherwise yeah is that I've been flattered in my first two appearances by the fact that it was quite a lot of very well known players this would have made it very hard this made me look better than I am the first two weeks this would have been a real leveler I think you have to practice for this you do you're right I am the best you've got to watch some football yeah and that's just something I'm not prepared to accept there we are everybody have a marvellous Friday get your pitbull on etc etc thank you Luke Moore for hosting of course my pleasure thank you Jim for competing thank you and thank you for listening see you on Monday

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