Manchester United: The Ghost of Grimsby

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3:07Jake! Jake! Not everyone deserves happiness, and Man United don't either, because they're rubbish. Welcome to the Football Ramble. It's Thursday, 17th of September. I am Pete Donaldson. And I'm the Deeshan Hunter-Rodger. Yeah, you are.

3:33Yes, Football Rumble time on a Thursday. I'm joined by Vish. Vish, you're about to head out to rainy Cardiff to not watch some cricket, presumably. Yeah, it's actually not rainy Cardiff. If hockey weather is to believe, then it shouldn't be really. It's anything on the bay. Anything that's got a bay, don't trust it because half of the little kind of weather stations are out to sea. don't trust them don't trust them yeah it's quite a design for that isn't it what if all our equipment for measuring weather is just getting wet from the sea don't worry about it probably just means it's gonna rain but yeah no i'm i'm going off to cardiff to watch um sri lanka smash my motherland to pieces again um and i thought before i did that i'd come on this show remotely to talk about the refall of Manchester United?

4:24Can you refall or do you just keep going lower? Yeah, it's kind of like, it's definitely falling down some steps, isn't it? It's a snakes and ladders where there's just all snakes, not ladders. Yeah, but then Manchester United seem to also be falling down the ladders as well. They've found another, you know, they've gone past minus one and they've found another snakes and ladder board to inhabit and fall down. Yeah, playing snakes and ladders and also getting in Monopoly jail at the same time. Yeah, with no hope of even getting out. Yeah, do not collect 200 after passing go or whatever. No, because you can spend it on a rubbish strategy.

5:00I'm really glad to be here. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, it's all right. It's all right, Vish. Well, yes, in the Carabao Cup, we have to go first to Old Trafford. Manchester United 2, Brighton 3. Man United have lost to Old Trafford after being two goals ahead for the first time since 1976. Lacey and Mount scoring early in the first half, but it was the first time that United have lost at home after holding a half-time lead in 551 half-time leads. It's momentous. I didn't realise it was going to be that momentous, but it was a game of two halves, Vish. Yeah. Well, it wasn't really, actually. It was a game of one 15-minute period where Manchester United went 2-0 up.

5:40Right, yes, OK. And then it was 75 minutes of, oh, this again. Nice. Right, yeah, nice, yeah. It's funny how many records Man City United's fall seems to bring up because you think by now, given how long ago, say, Alex Ferguson's time at the club was, you'd think by now they would have ticked off all the bad ones. And yet you keep coming across new ones like this two and a half time stat, like unexploded World War I bombs. Only these keep going off. They found Radon in the house survey. Japanese knotweed. Oh, no. But it was, well, Japanese knotweed. Oh, it's Godzilla again. Good. Yeah, good. Nice.

6:26But the, yeah, it was a strange, strange game from a Manchester United perspective. But actually, I think what Brighton did, which I suppose other teams are used to doing against Manchester United, but probably speaks more to their character and aptitude, is that they went 2-0 down after 10 minutes, and they actually didn't panic. There was almost understanding among them that like, yeah, to be fair, we haven't started very well. And, you know, Brighton in the way that they play when they zip the ball around in the middle, they weren't doing that as cleanly, in part because they'd made a few changes themselves.

6:58And they just kept their calm. And I thought it was, you know, the way they got it back into the game with Costulas' goal in added time of the first half, the fact that Herzl didn't make any changes at halftime. Yeah. And that also speaks to, I suppose, how poor Manchester United were at the back end of that first half, that Brighton clearly sensed going into the break that, you know what, yeah, we could probably actually get this done in normal time. And they did. Yeah, I mean, there were a lot of changes in the team from Carrick. Is this kind of result just a realisation that the younger players, the fringe players, just need a little bit more time to cook to fit in the Carrick system, if indeed he's got one at this point in time?

7:40Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it kind of, I suppose, you know, a lot of Manchester United fans were talking about how ineffective, I suppose, they thought the summer transfer window was. And that's not to speak ill of the individuals they got in, but more of the whole package, I suppose. And over the course of a season where, unfortunately, you know, in 26-27, we as Manchester United are being forced to play more than 20 games, which is unacceptable. before. Yeah, outrageous. But through that prism, the squad didn't look particularly effective. More damning, though, that it's already come to light, not least in the league season, but also the same amount of the League Cup where they lost to Grimsby last year.

8:27But, yeah, I wouldn't even put on the younger players. At least it's not Grimsby, because Marcus, I think, spent the last calendar year bringing up that. He keeps talking about the gorse, the spectre of at Grimsby. But in many ways, I think many people had forgotten about Grimsby, but this early round exit, all right, it's against a decent Premier League side or a decent Premier League operator anyway, with players who know their roles and know their jobs. It's still, I still think people are going to be talking about this because of the manner in which they sort of capitulated a little bit in the second half.

9:03Yeah, definitely. Yeah, Ghost of Grimsby sounds like a knockoff Final Fantasy game, doesn't it? I think that's spot on, really, because they looked quite leggy. The one thing that Manchester United had last season under Amorim was because of the system that he wanted to play, and he was so sure of it, he beasted them in pre-season. And actually, Manchester United last season, obviously you can... The basic tell is how the kit fits them, yeah? But they looked much lighter than I've seen that group of players in a long time. And I think as a result of it, they were able to finish third because they ended up playing fewer games and they'd already come to the season incredibly fit.

9:46Obviously didn't have a tournament in the summer of 2025. And you could say that some of the lethargy that we're seeing already might be down to the World Cup. But actually, yeah, they looked a bit directionless. And I think maybe the two goals came too easy because they seem to take everything for granted. Well, the first one was kind of, it was almost instantaneous in the second half. Like, Sheshko gets dispossessed, and I think that was definitely a foul, and then they were just sort of off to the races a little bit. Did you really? Just because it's quite hard to fell a man that size? Well, it did look like a big giant and, you know, Gulliver's Travels kind of vibes, you know, trying to tie his legs together, like I've seen in Star Wars.

10:30But, yeah, it did look like a bit of a foul. I know he'd sort of, like, overcooked the, sort of pass the Brighton player, but he kind of just got wiped out, didn't he? And Paul accidentally went to another player. Yeah, maybe, on the one hand, maybe they would have given that on VAR. If you were massive. Yeah, on VAR, I think he probably would. But then that would have elongated at a time in the first half, and maybe Brighton would have gone in 2-2. So, you know, swings and roundabouts. Fair, fair, fair. At least that didn't happen, Pete. Come on. I know it's early in the season, but hearing the boos and remembering how, I think I remember how Carrick's Borough went, if indeed you can remember anything these days in this busy world.

11:15Is this the fans turning on him? Is this kind of how it ended at Borough? I think this is kind of how it went. Well, one of the things that emanated from his time at Borough was this idea that they were gaming XG, that the underlying numbers spoke that this was going to unravel. Right. And it wasn't like a spectacular unravelling, but they just fell away and lost, I suppose, any momentum, any forward drive, like as a team, not necessarily on the field as well, or maybe on the field as well. But, yeah, I mean, it's a very, the Man City United early season boo is like the Wimbledon tennis boo. Right.

11:57you know because there's a level of it that's directed at the performance in isolation along with i suppose the run of results and not necessarily at specific individuals um uh you know it's like the windward thing of oh oh no it's raining oh no um a ball boy's been here who cares right yeah okay i mean don't hurt kids but you know what i mean they're not i think they're of age aren't they they're not young yeah well 18 of age always sounds weird doesn't it but it's um If they're in the theatre of conflict and combat, if a ball comes their way, they're quicker than older people, so they should be able to get out of the way, I think.

12:36Yeah, also their team are just probably from a well-to-do school as well, so it doesn't matter. Exactly. And I can say that at the age of 40. Also went to a nice school. Just pull the ladder up, hit them all. but the um but yeah so like obviously the boos speak to just general disappointment anyway but also you know there was another protest against um inios and jim ratcliffe as well they've been really pointed um movements and statements among the united fan base about unhappiness with the board and things like that someone made someone made a really good point actually i think it was Henry Winter on Twitter, now known as X, made the point of how classy Pascal Gross looked and the fact that...

13:24Oh my goodness. He's having a great start to the season. He loves scoring against Man United, but he's scoring in other matches as well. Yeah, he also has this incredible knack of making 11-a-side look like 5-a-side. Right, yeah, okay. In there he just sits in or...? Well, just the way he moves. It's like, you know you don't have work in the morning. This is your work now. and yet you seem to be taking it he plays with such a freedom and also almost a bit casual which feels like the wrong word for someone who's put up the numbers that he has for Brighton and is a brilliant midfielder probably one of the most enjoyable players to watch in the Premier League in recent times but yeah basically making the point that someone as classy as him and as calm as him is somebody that Manchester United need and someone I follow quoted it and made the point that like well actually Yuri Tielemans is that but he's the one struggling because it goes deeper than just Carrick's system and you know the setup around players like Tielemans which I do agree with to a point but yeah I find I find it all a little bit too familiar and being a 40 year old I'm supposed to love familiarity as you'll know with your weird little naked doll behind you but But yeah, it feels a lot like previous seasons already, which is not a good thing.

14:52Well, I mean, I guess the most depressing thing that the Manchester United fans are experiencing at Old Trafford is that they haven't necessarily been able to protest all that much against Ineos and Ratcliffe and stuff because Carrick had turned Old Trafford into a little bit of a fortress. It was like something like 10 and 11 last week and obviously that number's not great now. But he had turned it into a place that the teams didn't want to go and that's gone now a little bit. Do you think he's turning it into a place that Manchester United fans don't want to go to either? Well, it's never a place that Manchester United fans have gone for the last five years, really.

15:33Especially ones who want to remain dry. Yeah, good point. Good point. Good for kayaking though, isn't it? Coming up for kayaking season at Old Trafford. Yeah The young 19-year-old Shee Lacey scored in his first start For Manchester United I think there are always good news stories In cup competitions where Fringe players, young players Are going to get their chances Here and there But it was nice to see him getting on the score sheet Especially because you've got trouble In your youth squad elsewhere as well Yeah, yeah I was really really chuffed for him actually such a really nicely taken goal because he he almost the angle that he cuts back on is to you know he well he ends up going backwards rather than you know more sideways and I suppose he ends up making the shot to the far post harder but nails the one into the near post yeah um really strong start does the keeper as well and yeah like it looks confident and that's kind of it was very much what you'd expect of a young player coming into that situation being comforted by the seniority around him and being able to express himself and then also re-familiarising himself with, actually, it doesn't always go well, young man.

16:50You buy yourself a sensible car, get married nice and early, have your kids, etc. Put some money away, put a lot of money away. Yeah, there are obviously, as I said, other issues to be dealing with in the youth ranks, at the celebrated youth ranks at Manchester United. Is it Gigi Gabriel or Gigi Gabriel? I'm not really sure how that kind of one goes because it is a brand, effectively. It's not really, it's not actually his name. You also said it the same way twice. Gabriel, Gabriel, Gabriel, Gabriel, Gabriel. So a talented prospect, 15-year-old Gigi Gabriel is apparently demanding to leave Manchester United and they would only get 300 ,000 compensation if that happened.

17:38It's an interesting story because he's a very interesting player. You know, the Manchester United, young Messi and all of the things that have been spoken about with this young player. People are kind of saying that his dad's quite busy as a kind of half-agent, half-dad kind of relationship. But, you know, he's a 15-year-old footballer who, if rumours are to be believed, he probably should be playing a bit more football. Is that fair, Vish? Do you like him? Should he be leaving? do you even care? He's 15 years old. There's a lot of rubber to hit that road, isn't there? Yeah, why not just become a ball boy?

18:15Yeah, at Wimbledon, for example. Yeah, come on, JJ. Yeah, the lads talked about it on Wednesday really well. I think Luke laid out, I suppose, both sides in the situation at play here, and Michael Carrick addressed it. Both sides? What? What? Yeah, maybe I'm misremembering that, yeah. but Michael Carrick ended up addressing it the post-match press conference after the Brighton defeat and you know said all the right things I suppose that he is a kid and you know like well we are talking about a child here and the you know the importance of duty and care and stuff like that ultimately it feels like there were promises made to JJ Gabriel in pre-season that weren't kept and that includes appearances in pre-season games registration for the champions league as well right um and they see that like jj gabriel's camp see that as uh yeah essentially broken promises and therefore they want to they want to move on they don't want to keep being lied to i suppose um yeah and as ever it's quite blurry and incredibly icky because all of this is happening out in the open and it you know it would still be icky if it was if we were talking about a 25 year old it's especially icky that we're talking about a 15 year old yeah i think i think maybe you were on the show with me as well do you remember like a couple of months ago maybe a month ago actually about the you know when we're talking at the end of the transfer window so i suppose it would have been a few weeks ago actually uh about you know this the way transfers take place the way they're talked about the way they operate is of these commodities rather than human beings and And yeah, man, this is just a 15.

20:06Yeah. So I kind of... What's he being paid in? Fortnite vouchers? Yeah, presumably. Little canisters of Cool Whip, Miracle Whip. Thank God you said Cool Whip. I wondered actually if the issue that JJ Gabriel's dad is having, for example, is that maybe JJ keeps using the credit card to buy these tokens on these games. Exactly, yeah. He can't afford it. He's minecrafting out of his house and home. Yeah, you've got to pay me more. He's got the new skin. He needs to get the new skin. Well, get him off Luke Shaw. He's a busy gamer, isn't he? That's a good... Ooh! That's not bad. Maybe Luke Shaw could take him under his wing in a footballing sense.

20:49I know they play in a different position, but could also teach him how to play COD better. And, you know, all that. Did you see that... That's a good idea. I like that. Maybe the idea that Luke Shaw... you're injured go and babysit JJ Gabriel yeah make yourself useful for crying out loud did you see Vish that former Manchester United striker Anthony Martial is set to join Malaga as a free agent apparently a Libyan side I forget the name with wafting grit wands of cash his way but it looks like he took a footballing move and there's you know I'm annoyed Marcus isn't on the show he is a man who loves a footballing move over a cash a cash bonanza you did say that he should go to Everton Yeah I saw that in the running order When I was preparing for this show Doesn't sound like me No but I don't know when this started happening But why are we being held accountable for things we said on previous shows I know right The problem is you've got characters around this manner Like World Cup McPredictor And you know The very idea of a preview show You've got to make your predictions Donaldson's curse etc We're setting ourselves up for a fall Trying to sort of make it clear that we might be able to predict the future which we very much can't.

22:00What I will predict is Man United do have Atletico Madrid and Leeds on the horizon. And I think we all know how they'll go. That's what I can predict. Yeah, there's also Fulham on the weekend before the international break. Dr Spurs after the international break. A little post-checkup after the exploits of international football. That'd be bad, wouldn't it? If Man United become the first team to cough for Dr Spurs I'll use a little hammer to check your reflexes so the draw happened after the Man United match leaked to Fleetwood will be hosting Arsenal in the fourth round, Fleetwood's ground is famously called Highbury which is very enjoyable and they filmed themselves but they were filmed watching the draw the fans, the directors and a few other players were filmed actually enjoying the draw to see who they were going to be facing and you have to say that's a hell of a fixture for Fleetwood Town Hall after they beat Sheffield United 1-0 last night who were dreadful.

23:05Yeah, it's a brilliant draw and funnily enough I am mates with the Fleetwood Town manager's brother. Oh, there we go. Nice. The Fleetwood Town manager is Matt Lawler used to be a pro as did my mate Sean and yeah, he's incredibly exciting because he's, you know, with Fleetwood Town, but Matt Lawler has come through, you know, the league set up, having, well, specifically as a coach from, you know, I suppose like doing his badges and, you know, progressing through Fleetwood Town. And yeah, it's very cool. I don't know, like, I mean, what a thing to be able to test your wits against. Yeah. Defending Premier League champions, yes Brilliant draw for them Yeah, even their third team is pretty competitive The way that they've bought all the successive seasons at Arsenal It's going to be a lot of fun Yeah, and then the Fleetwood Town account Before the draw Having been happy for them Were then coating off Manchester United Saying that Fleetwood Town, by the way Have progressed further in this competition than Manchester United Good luck to them Did you send a text up to Lancashire?

24:23with a few critical bobs. Yeah, nearly. Oh, Pete, I was close. I was close. Oh, you were close to pressing. I'm actually going to Manchester on Saturday with both of these. It's in trouble. Mr. Nice and Mr. Nolly. Everton have drawn Newcastle at home in the next round after beating Championship Wolves last night. And Chelsea have drawn Liverpool in the next round of the Carabao Cup. Chelsea chairman Todd Bowley and director Mark Walter. have sold their stakes in the club to a majority owner. Clear Lake Capital, meaning Clear Lake now control full, clear ownership of the club. We'll probably talk about that on tomorrow's show.

25:05But it's only going to get stranger at Stamford Bridge, isn't it? Yeah, so this is now fully private equity, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. With Chelsea. But, you know, like we've seen with other organisations in other industries that when they're fully taken over by private investment that they start trying to cut corners and certain things to increase their profit margins. What does that mean? Are they going to sell the bomb squad? Yeah, they're going to have to debomb. They're going to have to play the bomb squad to get any interest in them, presumably. So they're going to have to uncover the World War II bomb squad and play them and they're going to have to see how they go there.

25:54So it may be very, very interesting the next few months with Chelsea. Yeah, there's going to be more shredded lettuce in the canteen instead of normal lettuce. Yeah, I don't think they're going to be. But you sort of get the sense that with cost-cutting measures, when companies take over other companies, like you say, private equity has a massive stake in an organisation, it's never like they never do a lot of hiring and selling it is just firing so maybe they will just take the bomb squad and sort of go you are free to do whatever you want to do you want to get loaded drive them in a big van like in the countryside and open the doors be like run yeah run you're free go towards whatever club you want all right well uh coming up after this sunderland You hate to hear it.

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28:57All right, let's get to it. Sunderland won AZ Alkmaar 0, a cracking night on Wearside in Europe. Sunderland won their first game in Europe in 53 years against the team that always sounded a bit further away than it actually is, AZ Alkmaar. The Dutch side came to the match with a decent bit of form, but Sunderland, they got the job done. Not a great performance, Vish, but a great night, and they got the win. Yeah, they weren't perfect, and yeah, there were flaws throughout their performance, but I think that made it that much more endearing because that atmosphere before the game, and I figured you would have experienced it with Newcastle when they returned to the Champions League.

29:41But I love that. That's right, returned. Important word. Good, good stuff. Thank you. That's generous, wasn't it? But what I loved about that atmosphere. Well done. What I loved about that atmosphere at Sunderland on Wearside was that beautiful mix of just real excitement and anticipation and then how quickly it turns into like desperate, willing and yearning. Yeah, yeah. Because it was, yeah, like it crescendoed at the start and it went all the way through and there were moments where they were anxious, like Robin Rose gets them out of a sticky situation in that first half with a, with a, basically open up after a poor ball out from the back and makes a brilliant save there.

30:35He does it again with 10 minutes to go when they're 1-0 up. Yeah, like AZ should have scored. They probably could have scored too. You could also say that Sunderland missed a fair few chances as well. Enzo Le Fay, I know it's only one game, but obviously a classy operator when they got him for that last bit of the promotion pushing the championship. Oh, He was up for this one. Smashing balls at goals. Smashing balls at goal from distance. Which is the name of the game, isn't it? Sorry, I've had a difficult night with my daughter and just thinking about Sunderland winning in Europe. It's just annoying.

31:16But, yeah, you're right. I mean, Broby should have scored in the final minute of the game. I mean, they were just queuing up to score at that point. I think that XG was double what Isid Alkmaar had as well. So it's clear that they probably should have won by more. But all in all, you're off the mark. It's a win. A win's a win's a win, as Marcus would say. Yeah, yeah. The perfect way to start. And the fact that it wasn't a perfect performance meant everyone was involved. Like front to back, everyone did their bit. It's just you see as well, like someone like Granit Xhaka, the way he's able to control everything calm things down was incredibly valuable Penalty I thought was a bit lucky but then because basically the well the defending player ends up putting his foot in front of I say it ends up Le Fay's striking foot and so he gets kicked rather than trips but actually it's just bad placement he's in the way and It's a reasonable place to put It's a relatively reasonable place to put your foot, but, you know, he was...

32:25I think if he had been winding up earlier and looked a bit more capable in that area, it probably would have been a straighter penalty. But it did just look like, oh, I'm just going to, you know, move towards the ball to kick it. And it's just, I think that's why it looked a bit softer than it needed to be. Did you see the big T4 before the match? Lumberland displayed a massive T4 with a banner saying, new shores to conquer, a big ship. big obviously massive seafaring shipbuilding sort of part of the world and one of the main sort of historical men that are Sunderland based teachers I used to you know work at all my schools all of my teachers from Sunderland I think back in the day they used to talk about a guy called Jack Crawford who when his mast was shattered and the flag was knocked off the top of his ship he climbed up the top and nailed it back because if your ship's flag falls it's technically a you're basically giving up it's a sign of not distress, what do you call it when you give up?

33:28White flag, what's that? Surrender. Surrender, you're surrendering and he climbed up the mast and reattached it with a nail and a hammer and yeah and he was fighting the Dutch at the time so it's almost quite fitting that T4 was unveiled there. always important to double check when you delve into northeastern law did you make that up well we had the lampton worm not that long ago didn't we that's why that's exactly what i was thinking and then the lampton worm swallows the ship yeah well i mean well almost fittingly is an alchemist lost a parrot recently so it's all very nautical isn't it Troy Parrot Pirates Pirates Anyway Really good that Marcus could never You got the win I hope you're very happy with it And finally for now FC Wimbledon host MK Dons At Plough Lane tonight That is I can see Andy Brassel throwing a green tea in someone's face Wheeling it's quite a dangerous thing to do yeah because he's a he's a bad boy for life that's he's you know he's spicy when he needs to be do you think before dashing it in someone's face he'd take the teabag out oh that would that would proper burn wouldn't it if you got a teabag yeah it's the hot water but then it's a bag of like it just gets hotter and hotter doesn't it if you've ever i'm always just um cradling a hot teabag to put it in the bin and it just gets hotter and hotter it doesn't get any better yeah not great not ideal i think you're doing that wrong there's no reason for it to get hotter and hotter but no do you not make yours with uranium i make my team uranium rods yeah um he's uh afc women co-founder iva heller has personally delivered a note to wembley stadium asking the fa to apologize for football's crime of the century you know the thing about that, like, there are still, to this day, legitimate reasons to be annoyed about that.

35:33The worst thing would be if the FA went, yeah, fair enough, sorry about that. Yeah. See you later. Where'd you go with that? It's a bit bloke with a copy of the Magna Carta demanding the smoke indoors, etc. Yeah. Very father's for justice energy, isn't it? Exactly, yeah. He's also calling for the FA to order Milton Keynes to drop the well dons from their name. and he just wants Sharon back, presumably. He said the wound still burns like acid. Yeah. I mean, to be fair... Or a hot tea bag. Would it be that strange if they dropped Don's? Or do they just... What, just Milton Keynes? Yeah. Or do they not explicitly want to be linked to Milton Keynes?

36:20That's a good point, actually. I mean, what is it? I mean, Milton Keynes grid system, Milton Keynes dry skis gloop, Keith's clove trying to think what else Milton Keynes has never really spend that much time but maybe people of Milton Keynes could who are listening to the show on their presumably high speed internet because it's a modern futuristic city let us know what you would call the MK Dons as their new name Milton Keynes Milton Keynes FC that's good enough the Milky the Milky Boys the Milky Boys they may as well call themselves MK Coco Clowns or whatever they want to call themselves because it just makes no sense, says the co-founder of FC Wonderland, Ivor Heller.

36:59Why has he got Coco Clowns from? I don't know. I just feel like it's, yeah. I don't know. I know. Why do you know? For some reason, when he was searching through the recesses of his brain to how to finish that point, he thought about the Coco Pops adverts where they play football in the jungle. Right, nice. Yeah, yeah. In the Jungle World Cup, I seem to recall. Yeah, well I think they come from behind. like I mean it's a very police machine it's a Brighton-esque man yeah it was a very police machine shoreline wasn't it it ended up being like 103 plays 102 yeah it was definitely I think Coco Monkey or that big fat elephant was definitely on the take somewhere you don't get that big without being on the take do you yeah imagine that just getting them all in court and going to the elephant did you take a bong and just like honestly I don't remember I was so high fucking liar liar alright well thank you for listening Team of the Football Ramble, part of the Aircast Creator Network.

37:55I'll be back tomorrow alongside Marcus and Jim. We're going to be covering the very best news from the fourth round of the Jungle World Cup. And remember, we'll be live. So join us on YouTube at 9.30am. Vish, get yourself to Cardiff. Good luck with the weather. Good luck with Sri Lanka, not absolutely hosing England. We'll see you soon. Bye. Bye.

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