Marcus’ creamy peak | England squad reaction

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3:35Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Football Ramble. The England squad is out ahead of the UEFA Nations League. I'm Marcus Speller and I'm Jim Campbell

3:59Hello everybody It's England time Jim Oh you are full of it Here we go Absolutely full of joy Full of the joys of The Nations League Yes of the Nations League It is It is we've got four England fixtures in this international break. You're so excited by that. Shouldn't I be? It's like a little mini tournament just for you where you have to make up the rules as they go along. That would be nice. With your own set of scoring. Are you not looking forward to it? I feel, I mean, I like the international break. It's just, it's just, this one is always weird, isn't it? Because the season just gets going and then you get the international break.

4:34It's been like this for a long time, but this one's massive. I don't know how I feel about it. We've not had it like this before. We've not experienced it. Never do I feel more like Don Henley in September or October when the international break comes along. Looking ahead to the boys of summer, is that there? My love will you will still be strong after the boys of summer have gone. Nice. Because you all loved it during the summer. Yeah, we did. You all loved it. That bit's better. Yeah. But love, you've got to have the peaks and the troughs, Jim. You've got to have the creamy middles. I don't want the troughs of love.

5:05True enough. You like a creamy middle, though, don't you? Who doesn't? Well, I think this is somewhere between the peak and the creamy middle. Yeah. It's a sort of a creamy peak... So, anyway, England, it's international time, everybody. Creamy peak time. Yeah, it's not a peak though, is it? Well, it is for you. It's a creamy incline. Do you prefer the international breaks for the Premier League? Because you get frothy. Careful. I am very happy to see England on the horizon playing not one not two not three four fixtures on this international break obviously it opens with Spain the world champions well we could be world champions exactly yeah you never know you see the stakes are high then away to the Czech Republic as we still affectionately call them then away to Croatia and then at home again to the Czech Republic and then in November obviously there's two more fixtures to conclude the group phases of the Nations League.

6:08Now there has been a few notable inclusions from old Tommy Tuchel in his England squad this time round. We start with Trent Alexander-Arnold. That's a big one, isn't it? He's back! Because we did sort of wonder if Tuchel just perhaps doesn't fancy him in the way that some internationals, particularly with Trent Alexander himself actually, have seemed to take against a player in terms of what they bring. And I'm excited to see that. He can add a lot of creativity. We all know what the positives of his game are. I think that's good. Yes. Well, I'm pleasantly surprised to see him in there. I mean, maybe Lee Carsley has had a word with Thomas Tuchel because we know he loves him.

6:46But he is in the squad. And we've got... I mean, the whole fullback situation was a funny old affair at the World Cup. That wasn't the reason why England went out, of course. but looking at the squad and looking at the defenders available I know that there are some who can play fullback like Esri Conza but sometimes we like a round peg in a round hole which Trent I suppose may or may not be because he was playing midfield last time I saw him in the Champions League for Real Madrid I mean he's not starting that many games and obviously under Jose Mourinho you think is he going to play that much there but we know what Alexander O 'Reilly can bring to the England squad you've got Nico O 'Reilly in there as well I wonder if Gerald Kwanza will be used as a full-back if he gets much of a game.

7:33Lewis Hall's in there as well. I'm really glad to see that. I think we all are because he was, I think, a bigger mission from the World Cup squad. Yeah, massively. I think what he brings is really just an absolutely classic sort of set of traditional full-back skills, right? Which was something we were a little bit concerned that we would miss out on. And Jed Spence equipped himself really well in that position. But I think Hall is a player with a really high ceiling. And I think actually getting him involved in the England setup sooner rather than later will benefit us in the long term. Yeah, so Jed Spence is not included because he's injured, as well as Rhys James, Dan Byrne, John Stones and Dean Henderson with the other ones who would be in contention.

8:11So Trent Alexander-Arnold and Lewis Hall are in there. Moving on to the midfield, Cole Palmer's back. He's been recalled. I think he's done enough. Oh, absolutely. I mean, I think the only reason that Cole Palmer wasn't in the World Cup squad was because he'd been carrying a groin injury for most of last season, right? So we didn't see him at the top level. I don't think there was ever any suggestion that like, you know, Kyle Palmer isn't good enough to play for England. A fit Kyle Palmer absolutely is. And this is just pure logic, isn't it? He's moving freely again. He's scoring goals. He's creating.

8:42He looks like the Kyle Palmer that we know. Yeah, no-brainer when he's playing like that. So he's down as a midfielder, whereas Eberici as a... Well, Anthony Gordon, yeah, fair enough. Morgan Rodgers are down as forwards. I mean sometimes one can look into that way too much and unnecessarily because with Tuchel in the World Cup he said that he wanted to play like a Premier League team and have the wingers as pacey wingers who bring a bit of power and run at people and I thought maybe that was one of the reasons why Cole Palmer wasn't picked as well obviously he had that injury perhaps the injury meant that Tuchel thought okay then I'll kind of go with this and I'll set up like this.

9:26So Cole Palmer's in there. It'll be interesting to see how much he features. I don't think he'll start. I think he'll get to the more minutiae as well. But he's in there on merit. And Cole Palmer brings something quite clearly. I think the way him and Morgan Rodgers are playing for Chelsea is a very interesting factor for Tuchel here. He might just want to replicate that. Because they look so devastating and effective. And if you're effectively replacing Jean-Pierre with Harry Kane in that set-up, you might think, actually, this is kind of plug in and play and quite straightforward. So over the four games, I expect we'll probably see him try that.

9:59Plug in and play, Jim. Alex Scott, who missed out on the World Cup, has been named in the squad. He got a brilliant assist the other night. We didn't talk about it on the show earlier, did we, for Bournemouth in Europe? But yeah, he's hit the ground running this season as well. And I think, yeah, he's one of those players now there's a bit more of a spotlight on him. Like he's getting praise for things he was doing all of last season as if he's kind of gone up a level, which I don't think is necessarily the case because he's a very, very good player. Yeah, he's another one. Excited to see him involved.

10:28He could have a big, big future with England, I think. Big future for England. I mean, he would be competing with Elliot Anderson, Miles Lewis Skelly. He's young though, isn't he? Cobby Maynou. Cobby Maynou's back. That's good. That's nice. Thomas Tuchel remembers him. I think Cobby Maynou, the thing with Cobby Maynou, I think a lot of managers get this wrong. is that if you want to see the best out of him, you need to actually play him. I don't see why with Kobe Mainu in particular, so many managers get this wrong. But it's good. Carrick doesn't seem to get it wrong. No, Carrick seems to have got that one bang right, to be fair.

11:08Yeah, bang right. Well, Myles Luskele is also named in the squad. He wasn't there in the World Cup. He's listed as a midfielder where he's played most of his season so far. And he's been excellent in midfield. He's had a couple of games where it's clear that he's 19 and he's still learning. Started the Champions League final. Yeah, absolutely. And when I say that, it's not like there's been any catastrophes. Just a couple of things maybe slightly overrun or he's taken a little bit too long on the ball. I mean, these are really sort of like micro-criticisms of every moment I've seen of him. He's been really, really good.

11:38He acquitted himself really well. Looks at home in midfield. Obviously, the fact that he can play as a left-back if you need to shuffle the pack later on will go in his favour as well. I think his days as a left-back are gone, maybe as a sort of emergency or auxiliary left-back, possibly. But yeah, I think he's earned that as well. Well done, Miles. I mean, he could fill in at left-back, as we know, but as you say, I think midfield is where he's going to be doing his thang. Well, so I didn't say in terms of the defence earlier, actually, that Jarrod Brantthwaite has received his first call-up.

12:13I'm so happy about that. I think he's such a good player, Jarrod Brantthwaite. but he's been so unlucky with injury. He has, and very highly rated among the Evertonians. Yeah, and rightly so. He's a big boy. He's left-footed as well, which, you know, those little things can sometimes come in handy. In the modern game, that seems more and more important, doesn't it? With kind of the elite managers kind of building their super squads. Yes. They really, really value that. Yeah, absolutely. I think this is probably it, isn't it? It's about the build-up and the passing game being all over the pitch rather than just the final third of it these days.

12:43So, yeah, that's, again, another good boon. Another good boon. It's all coming up England at the moment. Onto the more sort of forward positions, even though we talked about Cole Palmer there. Rio Ngomoe gets his first proper call-up. He was brought in as one of four players alongside Alex Scott, Josh King, and Ethan Manieri, ahead of the World Cup. I mean, Ngomoe, like, a proper player there. Yeah, really young as well. He's very young. But I remember in the pre-season, pre-tournament rather, friendly, against New Zealand, I think it was, because England looked quite good against Costa Rica, against New Zealand, where nothing was happening.

13:18He seemed to think, you know what, I'm going to actually run at people and make this a little bit more exciting. Now, again, I understand the context of that. But Ngemar is raw. He's the type of player who will fear nobody. And I'm interested to see what he could do. I think, which is why I was kind of intrigued by the signing of Bradley Barkela for Liverpool. I've talked about that and I get it. But Ungamoa, I think we may see him play on the left and sometimes the right, develop sort of both sides of his game like that. I don't think he's going to get too much time on the pitch because you've got Anthony Gordon in there and Rashford and Saka.

13:58And if he did want to maybe emulate Chelsea, Thomas Tuchel, which whether he will or not, I don't know. But you can still play Cole Palmer. You've got Rodgers as well. You've got Erecheese. So a lot of competition there. But I'm sure over the four games, is we may see him at some point unless, you know, Tuchel is just wanting to kind of get him used to being in the squad and whatnot. He's only just turned 18 as well. So a big show of faith. Indeed. So there's that to remember as well. In terms of the strikers, well, obviously Harry Kane's in there. I think he's done enough. Dominic Calvert-Lewin though.

14:32Yeah. Do you think that possibly informs the Trent Alexander-Arnold inclusion? Is that right? I can see a direct route to goal there from the two of them. It could well be. I mean, I think Cavillowin's earned it. I had him down in my World Cup squad because I thought, again, that's a slight different option compared to the others. But obviously not. He went for Watkins and Ivan Toney. Now, Ivan Toney, we need to say, is due in court in Westminster in London in the middle of the international break to answer charges of assault causing actual bodily harm. his lawyer states that he's looking forward Tony is looking forward to the opportunity to clear his name.

15:14So that's the sort of legal way. But that is the reason why Ivan Tony is not in the squad. Well, that could be the reason why Tony. Maybe Tuchel thinks he's certain requirements now. I don't know. But Ollie Watkins is not in the squad as well. Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it, that there are four games and you've really got only two strikers in there. I mean, we know Anthony Gordon can play as a striker but he probably isn't going to be considered for that position under Thomas Tuchel. So, yeah. But with the four games, I mean... And look, you're in the big leagues now. This is Nations League Group agent.

15:48None of that B stuff we had last time. Oh, no, we got promoted. We got promoted, exactly. That's the first time a team you support has got promoted, hasn't it? Yeah, it is. How did it feel? I'm not sure I even noticed it. Right, okay. Sorry, I shouldn't have... That was bad improv. Back to Don Henley. I should have yes-anded you there, but I blocked you. Back to Don Henley. Back to Don Henley. Um...

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18:15England are in Group A. This is the big boy stuff. so I suppose yeah obviously against Spain it's all hands to the pump Tuchel would probably be hoping that certainly maybe like the home game against Czech Republic you think okay let's try and make that as comfortable as possible even though I think Czech Republic are not a bad side they weren't brilliant in the World Cup England would be expected they also weren't terrible were they they've got something about them for sure yeah there's no San Marino in here there's not even a Latvia or Lithuania Jim no so yeah only two strikers three would have been the most I think again with Gordon, I mean Rashford but you're hoping, you're really hoping Kane doesn't get an injury which he never seems to get for England by the way.

18:56Yeah and also I think you know looking at that there's no one absolutely demanding inclusion, I don't think there's really any sort of controversial omissions in terms of the strikers. Well one of the things actually apparently some of the big wigs at the FA are considering because there's much talk about who's going to take over from Harry Kane when he does retire for England whether it's after this year or will he be there for the next World Cup because Dominic Calvert-Lewin, even if Olly Watkins went, ah, you know what, sod this him come back to the Premier League, even if I've and Tony, you know, none of these are young players.

19:26They're kind of in the peak of their careers. I mean, DeLapp is the only one who was not a lovely goal the other day. He did score a lovely goal the other day. He's the only one coming through but there has been talk about should they play Jude Bellingham in an advanced role as a sort of false nine and then you've got wingers in another body in midfield. So that is a conversation that has been happening in the corridors of power at the Football Association. I don't think it's going to happen for another few years at least because Harry Kane is there. So who knows? But Dominic Calvert-Lewin is the backup to Harry Kane and I think he's earned that, particularly for that performance against Newcastle United alone.

20:03Incredible assist he gave to Jadon Bowman. Yeah, if you can do that. Yeah, I mean, bend reality to your will. Yeah, Bakayo, just stand in front of me. We'll go for headers together. So he's in there. So no huge surprises, really. I mean, I suppose the biggest notable omissions would be Phil Foden, Morgan Gibbs-White. I mean, Adam Wharton, maybe, but I don't think that's a huge surprise. I think Tuchel's made it pretty clear, you know, again, despite how it ended in North America in the summer, if he wants to play with certain stuff, I don't know if Wharton really sort of fits in, but Foden and Gibbs-White are the two biggest omissions, I think.

20:45Yeah, I think so. Sad for Gibbs-White, but again, he clearly wants quite a lean squad, doesn't he? Oddly. When you say a lean squad... Well, Jurgen Klopp's called up 44 players for the Germany international. Sure it is, but I'm not suggesting it could cause up that many, but it is surprising to me that there aren't a few more players he at least wants to get a look at. Warton and Gibbs-White in particular. Well, I mean, it's a 27-man squad. for the four-game window, which I think is pretty standard stuff. Yeah. Okay, he could have done, but then I suppose with the competition for places in that area of the pitch, I mean, Jude Bellingham's going to be the number 10 for England.

21:25I think he proved that in the World Cup that he's got the chops for it. You, Cole Palmer can play there. You've got Eberich Eze, who I don't know if I would play him there or not, but he can do, and Morgan Rodgers as well. Yeah. I mean you could even play Colby Mayne there but I don't think that's going to be his role it's a lovely problem to have isn't it it is yeah yeah yeah so I think he's going to pick his best 11 for that opener against Spain there's no two ways about that I think we you know I think a lot of it picks itself I think you probably are going to have Gay and Konza as the two centre-halves you'll probably have Nico O 'Reilly as the left-back right-back will be interesting that was going to be my question to you in terms of what the best 11 is I think it's that's the first big question mark there isn't it?

22:10Yeah. I think, I wonder if he'll go for Trent. Well, it would certainly be a departure to what we saw in the World Cup. And I wonder if, because in the World Cup, you know, he spoke about England teams under Gareth Southgate. He said they played with fear. They don't want to do that. And he said, we're going to play like a Premier League side. And Anthony Barry, the halftime hero for England at that World Cup, said, I think pretty sure he said in the semi-final against Argentina halftime, you know, we're going to, we want to show our Premier League power, which obviously didn't happen. So all that chat about playing sort of high octane stuff and so on and blah, blah, blah and et cetera, when it came to the crunch and yes, players were tired, I get that, it didn't quite happen.

22:50So does he kind of rip that idea up because that's the style of a lot of these players playing and that's what they know. Does he go for something? Does he go for say two number 10s or does he go for say two quick wide men? I think he will. I think he'll start with Kane, probably Anthony Gordon and Bakaya Saka. that will be the start. I think he will be Elliot Anderson and Declan Rice and Drew Bellingham. I don't think there's going to be, I think it will be the best starting XI. Yeah, I mean, minus John Stones and the right back is definitely up for grabs. We find ourselves in the position that seems to be the best position England they're able to get to, isn't it?

23:22It's like, let's test our best team against really the top kind of draws in the world and Spain are obviously that at the moment. Well, they're European and world champions. Well, absolutely. Yeah, so I think this is, I feel like we've been here many times. where it's like, oh, we need to push over that final bit. And yeah, you've got to play your strongest team in that situation. Who's the goalkeeper? Goalkeeper, it's got to be Pickford. It has to be Pickford. Do you feel his time is finally coming to an end, though? I think the only argument you could make for that would be his age, right? I wouldn't necessarily look at anything he's particularly been doing.

23:55I suppose he had a little bit of a wobble in the game recently, didn't I forget the exact circumstances? When he's 32, I mean, some... I've always said Pickford's never let England down. No, I don't think he has. And I don't think he's ever made any kind of big error, unless I'm mistaken. But some, I mean, certainly Jude Bellingham thought that Enzo Fernandes' shot in the semifinal was not in the corner. And so he may have not let England down in an obvious sense. And I love Jordan Pickford. I think he's been one of the best goalkeepers for the national team. And that's partially informed by the time he's come along.

24:29You know, he's come along, other than in the 60s, the best, you know, most sort of, I don't know, successful and successful is relative when I'm using it here. The most successful time for the England national team. But could it be James Trafford's time soon enough? I don't really think so, to be honest. Maybe post-Euros? Well, it really depends on Trafford, doesn't it? I think part of the reason I think Jordan Pickford is safe in there is that there's not really anyone showing that they're going to come in and do a better job, for sure. I mean, I think there's still question marks about James Trafford with his feet he hasn't actually played a huge amount in the last season or so so he's you know perhaps we give him a little bit of grace there but I don't think he's sort of really threatening Pickford's position at the moment even if Pickford is you know potentially past his best which I'm not even sure he is and obviously Jason Steele's in there as the third goalkeeper who's really like kind of they took him to the World Cup as like the training keeper didn't they really but he's retained his place So I think the fact the training keeper has got that third spot shows you that there aren't loads of options right now.

25:34A little while ago, it looked like Nick Pope and Aaron Ramsdale might challenge, but they both don't seem to be options now. Dean Henderson is obviously injured. He'll be the one with his eye on that. Hypen Ramsdale, I don't think ever will really challenge. Sure, no. I mean, Henderson is 29 now. So he may well be thinking, you know, post-Euros. But I think post-Euros, I think that's where question... I mean, it's a long time ago. We're talking about the nation's disease, a completely different competition, but that's where maybe that kind of chat will certainly spice up a bit. Well, I think, look, do you think there's anyone he should have taken?

26:10Is there anybody you think, I wouldn't have taken him, and he should have taken him? Yeah, I think if you add the caveat of, I wouldn't have taken him, I don't think there's really anybody in there who's not earned their place. Actually, I think Eberachiezes had a very quiet start to the season, but he obviously rates him so I wonder if perhaps there could have been a space there but possibly for Morgan Gibbs-White but then Gibbs-White isn't someone you'd necessarily play out wide where that's an experiment that Tuchel and Arteta have both liked to do with Eze so that might be the explanation there I think Palmer and Rodgers and Eber Echeze can play in those positions exactly so yeah I think not really I'd like to see Adam Wharton play for England but the situation is the same in midfield.

26:57Do you think he's done enough? Do you think he adds enough physicality? I think he's a really snappy tackler and he's got a brilliant passing range and what he's really great at is getting a pass away quickly and I understand that you look at and again, we're recycling conversations here but I think it is something that sort of does seem quite obvious. There is no guarantee that Anderson, Rice and Bellingham will all be fit. I do think we need kind of contingency plans in midfield and the way that you get that is by looking at these players and giving them minutes And I think Wharton is someone who absolutely has that in his game.

27:29And I'm sure the moment he moves away to a bigger club, which I'm sure he will, at some point, he'll start getting that recognition. And that would probably be quite annoying for Crystal Palace fans to hear. But I'm sure they're also kind of quite used to that sort of thing happening. It does feel like it's one of those things you see in international football quite a lot. So would you have had Wharton in over Myles Lewis-Gillie or Cobby Maynard or Alex Scott? Well, this is it, isn't it? I think he's sort of in line with those players in terms of the status he's going to have in the squad. I think had he gone in over any of those players, I don't think it would have been particularly controversial, to be honest.

28:02I think if he went over Myles Lewis Skelly, yeah, I mean, I think that would have been the one, only because I know he's improved. And as I say, you know, he played in that Champions League final. And that does count for something because you're playing against PSG, a better side, the best side in Europe. There's no doubt about that. And he was good in the final too. And he was great. And ultimately in international football, that's what will count in big games like that. I suppose the way I'm thinking about him. It's not just that but I think that is a big argument for Myles Lewis Skelly going in there.

28:32I would have Kobe Mano and Alex Scott ahead of Adam Morton. Sure. The way I think about Myles Lewis Skelly is potentially of Tuchel looking at him as like he's 19 he's not actually been playing as a midfielder in actual professional football for that long maybe give him a little bit more time but what he's done on the pitch absolutely merits inclusion. and he's also worked with Miles Lewis-Scully before yes he was in his first squad he was he scored a goal didn't he on his debut he scored a lovely goal assisted by Jude Bellingham well we we'll see if Thomas Tuchel starts Miles Lewis-Scully we don't think he will in that opening game but we're going to have a lot more England chat in the build up of that don't worry because we've got a big old international break Jim we really do to get our fans into yes it's going to be great I hope thank you very much for listening to the Football Rumble part of the Acast Creator Network as I say Jim and I will be back with Pete on Monday to react to all of the weekend's football thank you Jimmy thank you thank you Tommy Tuchel you too

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