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3:32Luke Moore: Ask away. Ask away. We are sailing, everybody. Welcome to the Football Ramble! Chelsea march on in America, and Lee Carsley's done it again. It's Monday 30th of June. I'm Marcus Speller. I'm Luke Moore. And I'm Jim Campbell.

3:59Easy.

4:03Luke Moore: Not doing a full easy. It's an under-21s easy. It is, yeah. But we'll have to take what we can get. It's truncated. Yeah. How about that, gentlemen? Very good. Another trophy. I thought we were doing it for a real surprise for me to see my late nan on stage at Glastonbury. Oh, yeah? With your Rod Stewart reference at the start. Sir Rod, Sir Rod. Sir Rod. At the start of the show, yeah. Sir Rod Stewart, eh? What a weekend with the England Under-21s, more Club World Cup action and Glastonbury, of course. Luke went to see Iron Maiden as well. I went to see Iron Maiden on Saturday. Did you? Yeah, I did, yeah.

4:32Brilliant. I didn't get down to Glastow. No. I saw that the lead singer of Iron Maiden was asked about the possibility of them playing Glastonbury and said he would never do it. He's got no interest in performing to a bunch of young people fresh from their perfume-scented yurts. Oh, right. He's very against Glastonbury.

4:53Luke Moore: Yeah, he's obviously not been there. I mean, I've been once. There wasn't much perfume. I can't imagine it's that fragrant. It's fragrant, all right. Oh, yeah. Absolutely, Jim Campbell. I thought that on the old Prodigy set last night. It looked amazing. I've seen Prodigy live and they're brilliant. but Sunday night people have been there four days by that point and they are jumping around you could smell it through the telly well that's one of those new TVs you've got which is properly interactive and the sponsor of today's show actually yes exactly Smell-O-Vision now England under 21s have retained their Euros title they beat Germany in a thrilling match on Saturday we're retaining international titles now back to back baby yeah that's what it's all about I tell you what this was a great game It was brilliant.

5:37Luke Moore: Really good. I was obviously pleased England won, but I was so glad because they were so dominant. That first half, they should have really been about 3-0 up at half-time. Yeah, they should have. They should have run away with it, but they also really rode their luck in key moments towards the end. Germany hit the crossbar a couple of times in quite interesting circumstances as well. So for them to get it over the line was incredible because they got pegged back. They did. And so, yeah, before we get into the details, that's it. if you didn't watch it, England were 2-0 up after 25 minutes. And then Germany scored just before half-time and then they scored in the second half.

6:12Luke Moore: But for England to kind of turn the tide as well, because when Germany equalise, you think they're going to go on and win this. Just about momentum, isn't it?

6:18Jim Campbell: Totally, yeah. Although, do you think that these days with the job that Carsley has done for the under-21s and the mentality that England seemed to have?

6:25Luke Moore: Well, this was a very different side to last time around, of course. That's the way it goes. So I thought that they showed a lot of character and they dug in and were quite determined. but they I mean they are they've been a great side to watch I mean Cardsley said himself ahead of the final it's a shame we've only got one more game with these guys to play but honestly in that first half in particular they were superb absolutely superb they were Susan they were and Harvey Elliott

6:52Jim Campbell: got his gold gym as he does yeah he's been fantastic in this tournament hasn't he it's very if you look around that team as well there are players with a lot of experience for like an age group team obviously Tino Livramento in there and Joe Quanzos and a few others that have played a lot and Harvey Elliott doesn't seem like he should be with the under 21 the amount of time it feels like he's been around It's like Maradona at 86 Every time you watch it he's everywhere He's just so good like a cut above that level

7:17Luke Moore: I mean he has put one past Donnarumma as well so a rare breed of Englishmen so when he's playing in this tournament he's like is that it? Is that all I've got to beat? You know in 2010 when England were knocked out badly by Germany in the second round of the World Cup Can't remember and they had some really interesting exciting young players coming through like Thomas Muller then and I think Sammy Kadira. Or Mesut Ozil. Ozil as well. It was that crop, wasn't it, who beat England quite handedly. Was it 4-0? Yeah. In the Euros, that would have been the Euro under 21 finals. That's what I'm saying.

7:45Yeah. But the point being now that it seems to be England that have got all these exciting, like different level players. Don't extrapolate that out to next summer. Well, I don't think, I don't think we probably can't because, you know, Tommy Tuchel flew in, didn't he? Nah, don't bother. It's a long flight, that. Nah, stay where you are. Don't come in. Nah, don't come here. Nah, it's not worth it. Not worth it. And then Lee Carsley, when he's gone, saying to his players, whatever you do after this, don't get old. You'll be playing for that fucking clown.

8:14Luke Moore: Stay here. You want to win trophies, you stay with me. Yeah, exactly. Why don't you come with us? Ah, tried it once. Right, guys, everyone take your seats. I've got some birth certificates here. Just want you to fill them in. But leave the date bit blank. Yeah. I'll do that bit. Big time. You just sign it and we'll get you back in again in a couple of years. And we'll be away. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Harvey Elliott was the name player of the tournament, one of the standouts. James McAtee was great. We want to see more of these players. They should all come to Fulham. I think both of those players in particular

8:40Jim Campbell: are very likely to move on in this window, right? So it'll be very interesting to see what we can see from them if they're commanding sort of regular starting places at their clubs. I don't think they needed Thomas Tuchel to come in after the game and congratulate them. Why not? It's nice though, isn't it? Is it? Yes. All right. Why do you not think it's nice? Talk me through that. It's joined up, yeah, but is it a join you want to make? Are you saying that why is there a German coming in here? No, I'd say if it was Sir Gareth Would you? I would have been happy with it and I saw I saw Thomas Tuchel in the crowd and I thought who's he supporting?

9:11That's what I thought Harry Rednop over it Keep an eye on him get a camera on him National Anthems and every time yeah, every time Joe would have a chance watch him yeah like that Tim Roth show with the liars telling the liars yeah, get him on that

9:25Luke Moore: yeah, no, I think Tuchel passed the test he didn't want to be there and he went no, you're coming You are coming, me old son. Let's see what's going on here. I want to stay in LA with Liam De Lape. Liam De Lape, he missed out. He's gutted. But then could, we'll talk about Chelsea later, but he could win a trophy of his own, of course. But look, it was a great win, as I say. I'm actually lyrical about the performance. The fact of the matter is, you are right, Luke, that when it goes down to it, Germany hit the crossbar. I mean, that moment, right at the end of the game. The deflected one. Yeah, was it Cresswell who gets the toe on the end of it?

10:00Luke Moore: and England are desperately defending it but they showed a determination and a dogginess and they got over the line and which is something that we haven't, you know, obviously with the men's team that's not been the case. Yeah, the moment for me was the genius passage of play in the game was the ball by Tyler Morton for the winner. It's an absolutely undefendable... Right in that danger zone. It's an incredible ball. It's in Kenny Loggins' danger zone. It really is. That ball was on a highway to the danger zone. And Roe was there. All he had to do was get, I mean, I think he'd got his half head, half shoulder, wasn't it?

10:36It doesn't matter. The ball's so good, it's going in.

10:37Luke Moore: But that was so crucial as well, right at the start of Extra Time. And it was the old, and do you know what? I think a lot of people thought this, the words of Alf Rams, as he was known back then, but Sir Alf now. Now, yeah, exactly. We can't move for nights of the realm, yeah? You've won it once, now go with it again. You know, I saw, I went on Twitter, now known as X, regrettably, and Henry went and tweeted that same thing. Of course he did. You mean Sir Henry? Of course I do. Soon enough. Sir Henry would love a nighter, wouldn't he? I think we all would. I think we all would. Are we as deserving?

11:06Luke Moore: I don't think we are. But look, Jonathan Rowe, what was his... First touch of the game? Was it first touch? I think so, yeah. He only had a few, certainly. I think it was, yeah. But a lovely, lovely finish and well-deserved. And it's... the chat will soon enough. I mean, I know Tuchel said he would like to stay on after the World Cup and I thought to myself, well, wait for the vitriol, mate. You might want to never come back to this. He's gone way early there. Turn it in. What are you doing? Yeah. It's not going to be up to you. Yeah. Based on what we've seen so far. It's going to be up to the baying mob.

11:42It's like coming home pissed to your wife, shitting yourself on the floor and going, I'd quite like to extend this marriage. It's not up to you.

11:49Luke Moore: Stop doing it. Well, that's what he said. But the chat will turn now is that Lee Carsley has had great success as under-21s boss. And the way they did it this time, last time round in the under-21s, they won it without conceding a goal. And they were excellent, of course. This time round, he said, you can't just do it the same way. And that's partly because of the personnel, but I think partly as well, teams figuring you out, whatever. Different set of players, of course, didn't have a handful of the players that he would have liked, such as Liam de Lapp being a well-documented one. They do this in the tournament where, in the group stages, they needed a result to get them into the next round.

12:29Luke Moore: They were beaten by Germany, of course. They beat Spain, who are one of the great sides. I don't need to tell you that they've got a handy under-21 side. They were the favourites, weren't they? Yeah, they go on and beat Germany in the final, the side that had beaten them. Chat will soon turn and say, look, come on, Lee. you know get some media training have another crack at that or even are you going to be at the World Cup in some capacity working with the side he is an asset to the Football Association I think you have a huge one continuity issue at the FA and you have for a while and we've talked about it we've moaned about it and I think it's some kind of assistant being there to oversee stuff and work out how it's done it's still burned by Stuart Pearce I think probably yeah but Southgate was I've been burned by Stuart Pearce on TalkSport but there was a little bit of that with Southgate and then it seems to have Yeah.

13:17But also the biggest concern around this specific subject you're talking about is that when Carsley did it last time, it was baffling.

13:25Jim Campbell: Yeah. It was so baffling. This is it, isn't it? It was like an avant-garde theatre performance. He overthought it at every opportunity. Yeah, yeah. Completely. So that, I mean, but that's interesting, isn't it? Because he will obviously look back on that and go, all right, well, there are lots of lessons to be learned from that. I mean, do you think that would take him out of the running? I think the problem remains that, and look, this is a bit, it's a bit churlish of us to be doing this because obviously he deserves the credit for back-to-back Euros and he's done an amazing job.

13:53Luke Moore: Inevitably, the chat will turn to this. And crucially, well, inevitably because you've decided it will on this show. I don't think I'm the only one who's maybe. you're the only one sitting next to me. That's all I care about. Okay. I don't care what other children do. You're my boy. No, but the point being that he's clearly very happy in this role. That's fine. We've spoken about winning it a third consecutive time. Love that. Third consecutive time. I think that's right. Yeah, fine. It's fine. The thing, to answer Jim's point, though, to me, and I felt this when he was doing it the first time, whether we all like it or not, there's an ambassadorial part of the role at the senior level and you have to have really broad shoulders.

14:28And it's no coincidence that, you know, the names of people that come in at England level, this time around, Thomas Tuchel, whoever else was linked, they're just used to being big name managers in the spotlight and they can handle that pressure because I do think it's a unique pressure being the England manager. Southgate kind of grew into it. But the point being, if people take exception of what I've said and use Southgate as an example.

14:49Luke Moore: But he was a player as well. Southgate had loads of caps for England, 50-odd, came in at a time when it was such a low ebb, everyone was like, literally, who doesn't mind picking through the rubble? It was different. It was very different. So I think, I don't know if it gives them a greater or lesser chance, Lee Carrsley, becoming the senior boss. But I think it's probably moot. I don't think he wants to do it. And I don't think they'll choose him. And I think for now, he should enjoy his success because he's done a brilliant job. And there's nothing wrong. There's no shame in giving these young players an amazing platform to experience winning things in an England shirt.

15:26That's great for all of us.

15:27Luke Moore: Yeah. It would be nice to see at least one or two of them at the summer, at next summer's World Cup gym. And so, you know, I would like to think Harvey Ellick, if he was sat around in the dressing room, going, well, lads, of course, you know, let me have a little word here as someone who's actually won an international tournament. Given what we know about him, he probably would say that. It would be so surprising. I mean, Livermore is the only one I think who's got a full international cap in that team. There will be people expecting him to be called up again by Duke. Which players do you think could realistically have a proper go at being in the England team?

16:06Luke Moore: Because James McAtee has been brilliant, but I think the lack of game time may scupper him.

16:12Jim Campbell: I think it all depends on the various moves that some of these players are making this summer. Look at Jarrell Kwanza. We mentioned Elliot and McAtee themselves. Probably all of those players. Well, Kwanza's obviously going to buy Lodacousin, yeah. But they're a lot more visible suddenly, right? Because they're just going to be playing a lot more. So it's very hard to make a call on that, isn't it? Until the season gets underway. I don't think really anything they do with the under-21s will affect their chances of them making the senior side without them impressing in the domestic side. It depends also what moves they make next in their careers.

16:48Because, like, Kwanzaa's an interesting one because he's going to a big club and he's probably going to play. You'd think he's going to play anyway. You've got a player in there like Archie Gray, who's had a very high-profile Premier League season, but is probably facing a lot of stiff competition in that position. And Juan Aries also caught a lot of headlines for breaking into the first team at Arsenal this season. Elliot Anderson, maybe.

17:09Luke Moore: Well, Elliot Anderson's another one. He was one where you think of the people that England have got in those positions. And he looks like a man grown now. He does. Like he'll take control of things. And he's been brilliant in this tournament. And you're right to mention him because, again, that position, if Tuchel's thinking, okay, let's nudge Declan Rice up the field a little bit into that more eight role rather than the six, even though he can do both brilliantly, then that sort of in front of the back four defensive midfielder, the screen, if you like, Anderson is an option. I know you've got other ones.

17:38Luke Moore: As we mentioned, Wharton, maybe some people still want to see Angel Gomez back in there. Or a little-known fellow that you and I have had our eye on for a while, Marcus, caused a very intense conversation in this very studio. Jordan Henderson. Jordan Henderson. Yeah. He can do a job there as well. He can. But the other ones you mentioned, Elliot, McAtee, they need to play. Yeah, exactly. They're in positions where they're not playing, really. Which is why Harvey Elliott's been talking, hasn't it? So it's about what they do next. I think with McAtee, I suspect, my suspicion is he'll stay around at Man City and see.

18:12Luke Moore: It's quite rare for a player of quality to kind of break away from that team with Guardiola there. But of course, you know, it's Guardiola's last season coming up for Manchester City. Who knows? He may well have his arm twisted and sign another one. But we expect this to be his last season. Would he think, do you know what, one more year under Guardiola, I'm going to learn so much from one of the greatest managers of all time. And he also appeared perhaps a few more times in the Premier League this season than I remember. Yeah. I think he made 15 appearances in the Premier League. Yeah, so he was there on the rebounds.

18:47So he's involved, yeah. Quite a disastrous season by their own standards though.

18:50Luke Moore: Yeah, but I would love to see Elliot move from Liverpool because he won't really get that much game time, I think it's fair to say. And as I have said, despite what other Fulham fans may think, I'd love to see him back at the club. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. I mean I suspect he's maybe got his sights aimed on maybe Champions League football something like that you think he could get that yeah well I mean he's played it for Liverpool like I say he scored the only goal exactly yeah so anyway in summary though guys go on Czech Republic slugs yep Slovenia slugs yeah although they managed to Germany slugs Spain slugs Netherlands slugs Germany again slugs England victorious yet again yeah salt water absolutely dominating the age group European football landscape at international level.

19:36Luke Moore: You can only beat what's put in front of you and if they're only under 21 sides... Well, yeah, exactly. I would put all of the England under 31s into the senior national side. Show them how it's done. If this was in the noughties or the late 90s, people would be like, this team should start next time. It's amazing. People who listen to this show now are a bit young to remember the so-called golden generation and how crap it was. You would not believe the shouts that people were making.

20:00Jim Campbell: Probably myself included. Do you remember the clamour for Jermaine Beckford? Because it was something different. Yeah, but the thing is that it's not as good. Do you remember pining for three months for Gareth Barry? Because he was injured. Yeah. Or do you remember when we were all saying that we should just pick all championship players?

20:15Luke Moore: I don't think we were saying that. I really hope we weren't saying that. I hope I was. No one will ever know because it wasn't on mic. Ha ha. Right. Coming up after this, the Club World Cup continues and some famous bums.

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23:49Luke Moore: Not everybody agrees with Jurgen Klopp. And also, the other thing I would say to Jurgen Klopp is, if you don't like the Club World Cup, don't watch it. Everybody can do what they want. You can play paddle. You can go for a swim. You can watch something else on TV. Maybe watch Netflix. Go for a walk. Go for a nice meal. If you don't want to watch Chelsea versus Benfica, don't watch it. It's a free world. Welcome back to the Football Abel, everybody. That was Carve Solicle losing his mind after Jurgen Klopp said of the Club World Cup, The Club World Cup is the worst idea ever implemented in football.

24:23Luke Moore: People who have never had anything to do with day-to-day business are coming up with ideas, which I think is a bit over the top. Yeah. A bit strong, but fine. He doesn't like it. But then old Carvey seems to take it very personally.

24:35Jim Campbell: Yeah, and he seems to have a genuine attempt at listing every single thing that a person can do there. Yeah. Like, he goes way too far. Yeah. Way too far. He takes it really, really personally. Yeah, it's strange, isn't it? And also, it's quite a childlike take, isn't it? because if you don't watch it, it's still happening and it's still having all the negative effects that Jurgen Klopp is talking about. And also, he's obviously not watching it, is he? And it's also completely ignorant of the fact, from Carve Solikol's point of view, that Jurgen Klopp is probably responding to a question he's been asked by someone exactly like Carve Solikol after a quote.

25:06Jim Campbell: And it always sounds like he's reading an eye test, that bloke. Yeah. They're a strange breed, these guys. They are. They speak like no other human being speaks in real life. It's a really weird thing.

25:20Luke Moore: I love the fact when, because Klopp famously said when he was going to retire, he was going to take it easy. He went, oh, I'm going to play paddle. You know, the game that's taken the world by storm. And he's often on Instagram, like posting about it and so on. And that's one of the things he says. You can, you know, he says, you can play paddle. You know, it's like, yeah, up yours, Jürgen. You can do that. I remember you talking about paddle. And I'm going to reference it now. Exactly. And we should say thanks to friend. You're back on football, have you? Yeah. Well, thanks to friend of the Ramble Mark for sending us that clip.

25:47There is an angle here, isn't there, that Jürgen Klopp holds himself up as being this guy fighting for all that's good and proper in football and all the right things, yet he takes the job as head of global football operations at Red Bull, right? But I don't think Carvey Solokhal, based on that, is the man to deliver that stinging rebuke.

26:01Luke Moore: I mean, if he really wanted to get under the skin of Jürgen Klopp, he could have said, well, what do you think of RB Salzburg being there? He'd gone down that road. He did say that later on.

26:09Jim Campbell: He seemed to think it was some sort of gotcha. Oh, that's right. Klopp had forgotten that he's involved with them. But the problem is it's only a gotcha if you've not spent the first three or four minutes of that whole spot acting like an absolute fucking prat.

26:21Luke Moore: Well, again, thanks to friend of the Ramble, Mark, for sending us that clip. If you fancy sending us a clip for next week's show, well, you're in luck. Just sign up to our Patreon for just five bucks a month. You'll get every episode of The Ramble on the Continent and upfront ad-free. Early access to tickets and merch and access to the Football Ramble Discord where you can chat with us and other Ramble listeners. Search patreon.com forward slash football ramble to get involved. Right, everybody, let's talk about the Club World Cup. The round of 16 is underway, and PSG put into Miami to the sword, 4-0.

26:54Luke Moore: All the four goals were scored before half-time.

26:57Jim Campbell: And Lionel Messi's out, Jim. He is. There was something weird, wasn't there, about seeing him, Luis Suarez, Sergio Busquets, and Jordi Albert in particular, having this type of performance inflicted on them. Because we were so used to seeing that great Barcelona team do this to like more teams than not realistically when they're at their absolute peak maybe they could retire maybe they could play a different sport yeah they could have a toasty yeah there's so many things you can do imagine if Carvey saw a cold like lose his mind in toilet every single interview he does now he just says that he says that to people

27:36Luke Moore: he could take advantage of the summer sales yeah what are you up to this weekend have you considered an aquarium.

27:46Luke Moore: Dunking a rich tea. Not in the aquarium. I'd be unhygienic. Oh dear, yeah. 4-0 though. Big win. Big win for those who watched it. I mean, Lionel Messi was all of us, wasn't he, in this game. At one point, he tried to punch for tea. We've all been through that emotion watching PSG. Oh, bollocks. Yeah. I mean, it was just PSG, that is their idea isn't it in this Club World Cup it's very hot the conditions are quite tough let's get this let's just blitz teams early I love the idea of Mascherano at half time to Messi going right guys this is the set up a 4-0 down we need to try and win the second half Lano what I want you to do yeah I know boss you carry the ball up the field relieve the pressure no no I want you to punch for team okay

28:32Jim Campbell: this is the only chance we're going to get we're out now you're the only player that can get near him imagine Suarez and Messi I'm not tracking back

28:40Luke Moore: I'm not pressing from the front. Lewis, just bite him. Just bite him. Oh, dear. It was one of those things I'd mentioned to you, Marcus, last week that I personally hate about football, which is when a team sets themselves up for a good old shellacking, a good old gubbing with a 4-0 halftime scoreline and then doesn't engage much in the second half. Now, I understand why. I get the reasons. Okay, I won't say them then. I've sat through the adverts. I deserve to watch a good second half. You do. Zlatan Ibrahimović said Messi was surrounded by players who run as if they're carrying bags of cement.

29:13Luke Moore: I mean, he's talking also about Suarez, Busquets, and Alba as well. Well, that's true, though. I mean, it is true. You've got players at the toilet. Luis Suarez, look, incredible pro, achieved a hell of a lot. But, Luis, we are effective. We're being honest with ourselves. We are effectively watching a Luis Suarez tribute act play for Inter Miami, which is, let's be fair, part of the underpinning of what Inter Miami actually is as a club. you know they've not got I mean I suppose Louis Suarez probably can perform at MLS level I don't watch MLS very often so I couldn't speak to that with any authority but when you're playing up against one of if not the best teams in Europe you know no one should be surprised at the shortcomings that we see in front of us yeah no that's very true and then the other players that play there are players who can't aren't good enough to play in Europe right so when's Latan who's got a track record of saying outrageous things I know but specifically pertaining to MLS I think Zlatan was asked a question about whether it was him or...

30:11Who's the guy who used to play for Arsenal or used to do a lot of chips over the keeper? Carlos Vela. Carlos Vela. Whether him or Carlos Vela was the best player in MLS. And Zlatan said something along the lines of, I don't care. Look how old Carlos Vela is. Look how old I am. Carlos Vela's at his peak and he's playing MLS. I'm 36 or whatever it was. There's that element to MLS that is not going to be shaken off when seen through the lens of this type of game at the club World Cup. That's just part of how it is. And I'm not criticising them for it. It sounds like I am. But everything I say sounds like a critic, to be fair.

30:42It's obviously going to happen. The poor chap who scored the own goal, he's given an absolute torrid time. He had an absolute terrible day at the office.

30:51Jim Campbell: Also, they're only there because of the star power, right? They qualified through the ridiculous Gianni Infantino. It's incredibly convoluted. You're right. And so I think you are within your rights to criticise them because by all accounts, they shouldn't really be there. No, they're not. This looks like, you know, the European champions have schooled the best of MLS, but it's not that at all, is it? They're not one of the better teams in MLS at the moment. Well, yeah, as they prove to be. What they should have done instead, right, is, you know, walked to the park or pointed up at an aeroplane flying overhead.

31:26Jim Campbell: Gone to the shop and bought some Ritz biscuits. Crackers, come on. Crackers, sorry. Yeah, yeah.

31:31Luke Moore: Read a novel. Chelsea beat Benfica 4-1 in quite a chaotic game. Do you know what Lee Carsey said to Liam De Laap? What did he say? If you don't like the Euro-21s tournament, you could go and play in the club World Cup for Chelsea. You can sit on the bench. Yeah, Chelsea 1-0 up through a lovely Rhys James free kick. Yeah, the commentary was great. He's got pedigree for the free kicks. Tell me you heard the commentary. I did. The commentator said... About the wall and the planning permission. The goalkeeper set up the wall, but he didn't get planning permission. I'm pretty sure it was Conor McNamara.

32:02Jim Campbell: Could have been. Great commentator. Good. It's a great moment. Unlike the sort of thing you'd hear him say in the UK, there's a bit of Ray Hudson going on. Could be. Maybe these people are kind of flexing a little bit. I thought it was good. It's the home of entertainment. It's the razzle dazzle of entertainment. It gets us all. I thought it was good though. I was hoping when I said that they were in LA, but they weren't there in Charlotte, the Bank of America stadium. Oh, were they just? Yeah.

32:24Luke Moore: Then with five minutes left of the game, it was stopped, of course, because of lightning strikes in the area. Oh, Enzo Mareska took it badly. It really, really did. He's got a proper temper on him. Five minutes left at a game and it's delayed by an hour and 53 minutes. It's ridiculous.

32:38Jim Campbell: And it's what, the sixth game that this has happened to? Jim, I mean, if... The weather doesn't like it. It's thought about sun shining instead.

32:46Luke Moore: Maresca doesn't like sitting around in the dressing room for an hour and three minutes. He could do other things, couldn't he? Yeah, he could. Listen to a podcast. Construct a pad on the pod. Construct a pad on the pod. Untie and tie your shoelaces repeatedly. That's what I know. Yeah. Are we going to do this the whole rest of the show? We might do, yeah. Okay, right.

33:04Jim Campbell: There's a lot of stuff to get through.

33:05Luke Moore: You know how many things you can do? Yeah. Look, if you don't like it, you could carry on talking about football. Yeah, I could. If you want. If you want. Anyway, so the game was stopped because of... I don't think the strikes happened in the stadium. It's in a 30-mile radius, isn't it? Yes. Around the place. Well, they have a policy, obviously, which is related to safety around things like lightning strikes and stuff like that. But I think the salient point of Mareska's quite explosive comments... Shall I read you it? Yeah, go for it. Maresca said, I think it's a joke, to be honest. It's not football.

33:34Luke Moore: It's not for us. You cannot be inside. I struggle to understand. I can understand that for security reasons, you suspend the game. And if you suspend seven, eight games, that means that probably this is not the right place to do this competition. When asked about the match, he said, I'm very happy we're in the last state of this fantastic competition. It's right though, isn't it?

33:52Jim Campbell: Because I mean, it's an issue. What if this happens in the final? There's a terrible look for FIFA. Could happen in the World Cup final next year, which is an even worse look for FIFA. Well, it's almost certainly going to happen next summer because we've already seen it a handful of times. And the salient point, as I was going to say, is just that if this happens at this time of year in this part of the world and we don't have the facilities to cope with it, then this isn't the right place for it. And I think that's probably fair. If you look at the Bank of America Stadium where they played, it was open in the mid-90s, right?

34:19So it's not got a full retractable roof and things that you'd expect a modern stadium to have to combat that type of stuff.

34:25Luke Moore: We need rubber stadiums. I think we might do. I think we might need to do that, yeah. I think we might all be able to earth ourselves. Is that the opposite of what you want? I can't really remember how electricity works. But it was obviously suboptimal. And then what happened really in terms of the narrative of the game was interesting because off the back of that, Benfica get a penalty, which Di Maria scores deep into injury time, which sends it to extra time. And you think, okay, so if that's how angry Maria scores after the game anyway, imagine how angry it would be if they actually lose the game.

34:56But then Chelsea scored, and Nkunku scored a brilliantly instinctive really like grace under pressure like courageous goal and then Brunvica were just like oh fuck it well there's no point fuck I'm trying now

35:09Luke Moore: but they were down to 10 it's that bloody curse again isn't it we fought really yeah we fought really hard we're down to 10 men and they scored in extra time and they just wrapped their hands in after that well I think they were just pushing up there's no point in losing 2-1 you've got to go for it and the back door in fact the whole back of the house was left wide open you know it was with a big neon sign saying please steal as much as you can I mean they would have been and then smash the greenhouse on the way out indeed Benfica would they'll be disappointed they've gone home because they would have been one of the more unfancied teams I know they're you know a big European side but I mean they're in a tough group as well they're in a tough group they beat Bayern and it was a good game they ran Chelsea close but Chelsea themselves you know all the sort of weather chat aside they've given a good account themselves like we said when they lost in the group stage I thought right we're going to see a reaction here and we have and they're into the court finals.

35:59Luke Moore: And when they scored that second, you saw the way they celebrated. I think that as the tournament goes on and as these big games come around, obviously any team cares about any competition. You know, these are competitive players. They're not just going to completely, you know, phone it in or anything. But it'll be largely European teams at the back end of this competition, which I think most people probably thought we wanted one to the South American or a few South American sides. And it seems unlikely now, but not impossible. but Chelsea they're up for the cup allow me to summarise come on it's a nouveau riche tournament for a nouveau riche club ok yeah makes sense

36:34Jim Campbell: alright it's a meaningless bauble for a meaningless club indeed yeah it's the first trophy to my mind with a lock on it it's got and with two mentions of Gianni Infantino's name on it as well it's his name on the trophy twice it's on it twice I told you this man where's Clive Tillsley

36:52Luke Moore: name on the trophy oh dear well elsewhere that's what Gianni's got as his ringtone maybe that's it elsewhere two Brazilian sides were knocked out Bayern beat Flamingo 4-2 and Palmeiras beat Bordovogel 1-0 that's how it's pronounced in Scotland Harry Kane scored twice for Bayern lovely finish particularly for his second goal also guys in front of English referee Michael Oliver as well I love to think there's a little wink on the way back to the halfway line that's for you Mickey for you Mickey O I hope not for the conspiracy theorists among us but I mean that was a really good game actually Bayern versus Flamengo Flamengo gave a good account themselves some sloppy errors really really cost them but the manager Felipe Luis was saying after the game he was just like we gave a good account look at the stats they had more shots and Bayern we really really left it all out there because he had a few sloppy mistakes but you're playing against such a behemoth like Bayern

37:46Jim Campbell: I mean Kane's second goal it was like one mistake leads to this quite brilliantly instinctive finish that against most clubs you could probably cover that up right most teams you probably get away with that but Bayern are simply not like that are they a little mistake can be absolutely devastating yes indeed they play PSG in the next round I like that a lot of the Brazilian elements to this club World Cup have been typified by sloppy mistakes and looking for a punch up but Palmeiras Botafogo it's just intense it was just looking for a punch lovely goal to win

38:25Luke Moore: a proper daisy cut out it was a lovely one it was a beautiful finish it was a great little great little bit of individual skill and it came did it take a slight deflection and came through the legs of a defender it definitely went through the legs of a defender because it looked bad for the goalkeeper on first viewing because it was quite slow wasn't it but then if you look at the replay he was very very unsighted but I mean there was an amazing wrestling match at one point oh that was

38:46Jim Campbell: the old commando fella yeah and the thing is the player who got sent off you're watching that watch the replay from behind where they basically have like a wrestling match and then you're just absolutely stunned to hear that he's on a booking you're on a yellow in that part of the pitch

39:03Luke Moore: well it was like the Benfic I forget his name he got sent off against Chelsea when he was already on a booking and he goes in I mean I thought it could have been a straight red it was a really poor challenge I'm never complaining it's like lads come on I know they're not the Benfica are Portuguese he he he was on a yellow he did that challenge and then he did about 14 VAR ref VAR It's like, you don't want the ref to look at that again. You get a bigger suspension. You get a straight red rather than a second yellow. Blimey. But the other thing I've got to mention is that it does need to be mentioned.

39:34I didn't mention it in the Benfica Chelsea game, but it's relevant to the Parmenas-Botafogo game as well. The tendencies were poor.

39:39Luke Moore: There's so few people there. The group stages of the Club World Cup saw 57 % of tickets sold. So a lot missing. There were apparently one million empty seats. that's across the board that's not an enormous stadium it's like a ramble tour

39:58but yeah

39:59Luke Moore: but speaking of the Club World Cup Brazil Qatar as they're actually called but we say Qatar affectionately Morocco and Spain are all in the running to host the 2029 Club World Cup I mean I assumed it would be Morocco, Spain and Portugal because they're obviously the World Cup the World Cup in 2030 but no it's up for grabs if they awarded to Qatar then they would play in the winter. Now, something we can all get behind.

40:23Jim Campbell: Yeah, we joked about that on the podcast the other week, didn't we? And now it's coming true. It's just incredible though, isn't it? I mean, in the winter. Yeah. So the teams in the Premier League are going to leave for the winter. Are they? Yeah. What? What's wrong with that? I don't even know. I don't know what the rules are. Hang on a minute. Presumably the domestic leagues would stop, would they? Or is it just two teams that just go over there? That's fine then.

40:44Luke Moore: Don't know. You're being very Eurocentric right now. I am. Think of the poor Americans. You've got Major League Soccer happening right now and the gold cup yeah I didn't choose any of this I did not choose any of this what would you have chosen? a summer off for everybody no I'm enjoying it now yeah there you go but I didn't choose it so they've got us by the Jaffas yeah someone's ordered me a dinner in a restaurant that I didn't want but I'll eat it yeah alright I think that's the analogy that we can all get it's the polite thing to do

41:13Jim Campbell: it's disconcerting to me that we keep making jokes about things that then just immediately come true It just shows you how stupid everything is right now. I'll tell you what would be really funny if I asked to have won the Premier League. That'd be a funny joke, wouldn't it? Yeah. I'm helping you out there.

41:27Luke Moore: Well, Jim, a joke that we... Was it a joke that we put to the listeners was after my chat about seeing Dennis's... Dennis's? Dennis Irwin's bum. Has anybody seen any famous bottoms out there? I put a call out, didn't I? And they've replied. So I said that Mark has spent quite a lot of time at Old Trafford once looking at Dennis Irwin's arsehole. Quite a lot of time. Don't use the word hole. Anus. Yeah, okay. Sphincter. Anal duct. Firstly, it wasn't quite a long time. So last week we were talking about Dennis Irwin's arsehole. And this week we were talking about Carvey's arsehole being an arsehole.

42:05But I said to people listening, and I know the Ramble listeners well, right? I know exactly what gets them going.

42:12Luke Moore: What's they're capable of? What are they capable of? Yeah, and I said, look, if you've ever seen a famous person's arse email in or message in, and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's been the most emailed in topic of the season, which tells us everything we need to know about our listenership, and God bless them. Somebody said to me, you shouldn't be looking at Dennis Irwin's bum, and I replied simply, it's a free world. Yeah, exactly. Don't like it. Or I'll tell you what you could have done if you didn't like it, Marcus. Hit it with a paddle. You don't like the Club World Cup. Don't watch it.

42:41You don't like a fair bum. Don't look at it. Anyway, so I've picked out three of my favourites from the correspondence we received regarding famous people's bottoms. Jack said, I saw the late, great Trevor Francis toweling off at a hotel swimming pool near Birmingham. Lovely. Even as an Aston Villa fan, a lot of respect for that arse and cock and balls. I actually interviewed Trevor Francis, spent an afternoon with the guy and he was an absolute gentleman.

43:06Luke Moore: He was in this very studio. He was sat in that very chair, Marcus. And I'm pleased to hear that even an Aston Villa fan in the shape of our friend Jack has confirmed for us that he also had a lovely bottom and penis and testicles. Good for him. Billy Lucas also been in touch. I saw the late, great Roger Lloyd Pack's arse, brackets and cock and balls. Roger Lloyd Pack was, of course, Trigger in Only Fools and Horses among other acting performances in Kentish Town, LA Fitness about 17 years ago. I love it. When that one came in, I was a bit like, why are we doing it? Oh yeah, we didn't specify football, did we?

43:41Luke Moore: No, no. And why would we? And Billy saw this 17 years ago. It was obviously stuck with him. He said, I believe it was Roger Lloyd Pack's local gym, so he was in there fairly regularly. Yeah. I mean, that was, you know, we've been going a similar amount of time. Maybe old Trigger from Oling Fools and Horses was so excited about this newish podcast on the block that he just got Billy bollocks. There's nothing to say he was excited. Just did. Alfie Fox. Hello to you, Alfie. Back in 2008, a mate and I were on work experience at the Grove Hotel in Watford. That's the hotel I saw Lionel Messi at, by the way.

44:11Oh, right. And as luck would have it, it was also where the England squad was staying. We were under strict orders not to speak to the players. But naturally, being 14-year-old football-obsessed goblins, this was very tricky for us. At one point, we needed to cut through the men's changing rooms, and boom, Rio Ferdinand and Wayne Bridge were there in all their glory. Oh, good spots. And I do mean all their glory because Wayne was stark naked, says Alfie. That image has lived rem-free in our brains ever since. We panicked and then pounced. We asked for a photo. Rio was a gent. Wayne took the picture once he'd toweled up, mercifully.

44:42and we were buzzing. We didn't get kicked off work experience, but we did learn two important things that day. One, never meet your heroes in the changing room. And two, Wayne Bridge is a surprisingly good photographer. Love that.

44:52Jim Campbell: I love that very much. I was once at a urinal next to Brian May. Nice. I didn't have a look. I should have had a look. You should have had a look. I imagine the hair would have been similar. Could have been, yeah. Absolutely could have been.

45:04Luke Moore: It's funny, though, that I'm just noticing something here. So as I said, Billy Lucas said about 17 years ago that Alphabos is back in 2008. Again, this is around the time. It's the peak time for bums. When the ramble was kind of starting. And I just, I can't think it's a coincidence. Probably isn't. No. Yes. All right, everybody. Coming up after this, Dominic Calvert-Loon is leaving Everton and a six-month siege finally comes to an end.

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47:40Luke Moore: Right then, gentlemen. Dominic Calvert-Lewin will leave Everton as a free agent. Can I get a rat check? Yeah. Yeah, he's run his contract down, hasn't he? That's true. Turns out it doesn't matter as much when they're not as good. Different club, of course. Or arguably going to maybe a better side. Or a bigger side. Not a better side. I'd say Liverpool are better than Real Madrid right now. Different club, but same peninsula. Do you think so? Well, I just wondered if people were upset about it. I don't know. I've not seen it.

48:07Jim Campbell: Yeah, I mean, I think generally from what I've seen, Everton fans kind of wish him well and kind of appreciate what you've done for them. Very different. Very different, isn't it? I think you need to apologise to the Liverpool fans. I don't need to apologise because all I did was ask questions and I wanted answers from you guys and I've received them. So that's all I can ask for. But can I put something out there? Can I put a little slightly hot tamale out there to you guys? Please. And just say, have we seen enough to fully establish that Dominic Calvert-Lewin is actually a good player at the top level?

48:38Luke Moore: I don't think we have. Yes, he says yes, you say no. No, I was kind of, I was agreeing with the... Oh, the question, the point of the question. Yes. Because he's 28 now. Yes. I think that there's a player in there with Dominic Calvert-Lewin. And I think that the injuries have just hampered him. And this... So what's it? I mean, his scoring record was 71 goals in 273 games for Everton and joined from Sheffield United in, was it 2016, around that time. So I try to think about what we've seen from him. And I fell down on the side that said we've probably seen one and a half good goal-scoring seasons in his whole career.

49:14I think that's about right.

49:16Jim Campbell: I mean, his game is about more than that, though. A lot of it's about being injured. All the time.

49:23Luke Moore: I understand that, Jim. And obviously Everton have been an iffy side over the years. But he's not completed that many full seasons when you're thinking 30 league games plus.

49:32Jim Campbell: And I think as well, he strikes me as a player who can take a while to get back up to speed after an injury as well.

49:40Luke Moore: But clearly he's got talent. The praise he's had from previous managers like Carlo Ancelotti, for example, said he could go right to the top and all this. Now that's probably a little bit too much. I don't think he was ever that good because you're talking about a very elite level of player there. But I think if Calvin Leroy can just stay fit and play for the right team, I honestly, I know that's silly because people don't say that about anybody. No, no, I think that there's a player there who could actually do okay. You got your eye on him. Yes. I honestly think if he went to Fulham... I think it'd be a really good fit.

50:13Luke Moore: I think it'd be a good fit. He can't be a good fit because he can't get on the pitch. Well, so Raul Jimenez is what? he's no spring chicken what is he 34 but you've never seen enough of Dominic Calvert-Lewin for however many years to think he can get on the pitch he's not going to change if he just goes to Fulham well I've seen enough of his playing style to think that he would fit the way Fulham would play and also I've seen enough of what Marco Silva's done with players who were a bit down on their luck or maybe needing a bit of a refresh or a refurb and to think that I think that would be a good fit all round I don't think he's going to suddenly score 20 plus goals a season I think he could be a bit part player for a team, say Fulham or a team similar kind of level maybe, and could get back on the pitch and do a bit more.

50:59Luke Moore: But it's all about trying to keep him fit. So he's young enough to think that he could get a fresh start somewhere else and we could see a few years, two or three years or whatever of him play a much better level. but he's not he's not that young where we're all thinking oh yeah it's going to be vastly different but I don't think he is long enough in the tooth and and has the goals and the and the and the stats if you like to go and say I don't know Leeds United or a promoted side to go ah we get this guy he could keep us in the division sure do you see what I mean I think he might struggle for a new club he could do in the Premier League I do agree with that because I just don't think people will Because it's too much of a gamble.

51:43Yeah. And the problem he has, if you look at Raul Jimenez, Raul Jimenez's issue around availability, a lot of it was to do with this impact injury, which is horrific psychologically for him. You look at Calvert-Lewin's problem, I know he had a broken cheekbone, Calvert-Lewin, but that aside, he had something like six or seven separate hamstring injuries. You know, that is a problem. And the reason it's a problem is because it affects other parts of the mechanics of how he moves and how he runs. Like, he'll pick up an ankle injury or a knee injury or whatever it may be, and that'll be related to this problem he has with his hamstrings.

52:14And I think he's also a very high-profile player and he falls into this bracket of he's probably got good representation, he's got a very high reputation on things like the fact that he's played and scored for England, you know, this kind of thing. So he's probably going to demand high wages. The fact that he's leaving on the free means he'll be demanding even higher wages and I wouldn't be surprised. Well, look at it another way. I wouldn't also be surprised if some football club took a chance on him because football clubs can make mad decisions sometimes. But also, it could go the other way.

52:45I don't know if he's done enough to earn a contract. What position did Fulham finish last season?

52:50Luke Moore: They were 11th last season. Right, so they're in or around the top 10 club. The reason why I'm saying that is the playing star and also the manager has a track record on doing that. But I kind of agree with you as well that if he takes a piss with the wages, people go, come on, mate. You haven't played that much and your numbers aren't brilliant. They're right. But again, as you say, people know there's a player there. And I think he's just at that age where you think, right, this is kind of last chance really for the Premier League to see what you can do. He may well have to go abroad. He may well have to go out of Europe, potentially.

53:25Luke Moore: I don't know. I find it kind of interesting on how it pertained to Fulham and a player like Rodrigo Mounir as well because he's shown in cameos that he can go on streaky runs and score. He's been patient. He's a lot younger than Calvert-Lewin. you know, I mean, you're happy for, for, for that to come. My point is if you, if you can get him and his wages aren't ridiculous, you've got him on the free. Um, if you think, right, let's get him in and let's give him a year's contract and just see what he's about. Because if you do get an injury to one of your forwards, you know, you always need to back up.

53:55Luke Moore: So again, being a bit part player and just seeing how it goes, I think that is with Calvert-Lewin, I suspect where he's at. I think he's a perfect fit for Manchester United personally. There you go. Yeah. Um, but the idea of a, of a side coming and going, there you go, as a three or four year contract, I think that would be quite fanciful. High wages, can't stay fit. Looks really good modelling the gear.

54:14Jim Campbell: They are. Doesn't he, Calvert-Lewin? Can't take that away. Arsenal need a striker, Jim. They do? I don't think he's the one, though. No, they were linked with him for a while. Yeah, a long time ago, though. Yeah.

54:23Luke Moore: Many hamstrings are going out. Elsewhere at Arsenal, Jim, Thomas Partey's contract ends today. Yep. It ends today. We're quite near Arsenal Stadium. You going to wave him off?

54:36Jim Campbell: Absolutely not. No. Well, just to make sure he goes. Yeah, fair, actually, fair. If that's what it takes, I'll step up on that. See him scuttling away, probably. It's time. Glad to see him go. He apparently wanted more money to play less. Come on, mate. Come on. So, yeah, I'm glad to see the back of him. Yeah. No, I'm sure.

55:00Luke Moore: Many, many Arsenal fans will be. I'm sure, yeah, and I'm sure everybody understands that. Christian Norgard looks like he's it's so annoying when you hear Arsenal every and then you go oh the deal's not quite done so you're kind of reluctant

55:12Jim Campbell: so far literally all of Arsenal's business is not confirmed yet they haven't officially signed anyone yet I don't think not even Supermendi no that's still not been announced I announced it Jim yeah it should be done it should be enough the problem with both those players is in the medical they couldn't get the evidence that the heart was connected to the brain

55:29Luke Moore: so they just need to work on that probably having surgery that's what I would say to Martin Zubimendez if you don't want to go and play for Arsenal then you can play paddle yeah loads of stuff you can do

55:41Jim Campbell: exactly yeah go to Thorpe Park but I think it's I think it's to do with accounting windows and I think it helps Ralph Sociedad for it to happen in July or whatnot but Norgard I think is a very very interesting signing because obviously he's not coming in to replace Part he's coming in to replace Jorginho and I think some people have been quite underwhelmed by that as a signing but he's Brentford captain in. He's a strong tackler. He makes a lot of progressive passes and a lot of the problems Arsenal had last season where they just didn't get the ball out of midfield quickly enough. And Zubomendi and Norgard are both kind of quite progressive passes, as I say.

56:16Jim Campbell: And one of the things I like about it is if Zubomendi isn't available for whatever reason, then you don't have to change the way you play because they've both got that characteristic. So yeah, I think it's a good sign.

56:26Luke Moore: Because Norgard probably won't be a starter. No. If you're playing in all the competitions and all that. Exactly. And, you know, Arsenal have run

56:33Jim Campbell: their players into the ground a lot and obviously that's caught up with them last season with all the injuries I think that's absolutely a factor so didn't run Jorginho

56:39Luke Moore: into the ground he was playing at the Club World Cup exactly so maybe should have kept him gentlemen speaking of midfielders if you like did you see that Paul Pogba is officially signed with Monaco that's one that's been done yeah if Eric Dyer's there

56:53Jim Campbell: count me in he said Eric Dyer Paul Pogba Ansu Fati yeah come on that feels very football manager

56:59Luke Moore: did you see Eric Dyer's unveiling he was on a yacht and there was like a drone sort of footage going around and he was there and the shirt on and I was just like that's a lovely old job Eric he got his winner's medal in the Bundesliga and now I'm cashing it in he's had a lovely career Eric Dyer he's grown up in an interesting place he's come through in Portugal he's gone to Spurs he's climbed into the crowd tried to fight someone he's won a league medal in Germany

57:23Jim Campbell: he's been a big part of England's tournament resurgence success as well bromance with Dele Alli for a while which was pleasing

57:30Luke Moore: won a bronze at the UEFA Nations League Won a bronze at the UEFA Nations League. And now he's at Monaco having a lovely old time. And he's got Paul Pogba with him now. Paying no tax. Yeah. Paul Pogba, when it was announced on social media, had a comment from Bruno Fernandes on Instagram. And Bruno said, congratulations. I think he's Pog's back or something. Yeah, he just said Pog back. Pog back, that's what it was. To which Paul Pogba replied, I feel sorry you are still at United, bro. Unguarded. Yeah, it's good. It's good. Yeah, which was, I think, something we could all get behind. So, basically, Paul Boggart signed for Monaco.

58:09Somehow, may not have gotten strays from that. Yeah. And it's Bruno Fernandes

58:14Jim Campbell: getting them as well because he has to do everything around that. After he was wishing it well, he was like,

58:18Luke Moore: hey, you're back.

58:19Jim Campbell: That's good. Do you think of Carve Salakos or Bruno Fernandes? He'd say, if you don't like this, you can do that. And Bruno Fernandes goes, I am doing that. I'm doing everything.

58:29Luke Moore: You can also... You can go for a swim. Yeah. Certainly can in Monaco. Yeah. Lovely bit of coastline, of course, as Eric Dijon. Monaco was the kind of, it's the European or the sort of original like Saudi Pro League or the Chinese League and all that kind of stuff. Because obviously you can pay a bit more there. Yes. And you're in a proper league as well. Champions League often. Yeah. Lovely kit. You know, you don't have to go to the Saudi Pro League. You can go to Monaco. Yeah. All right. Yeah. What point are you making? Just that you're into Monaco. Yeah. No, I've never been. I've never been.

59:01We could move the Ramble to Monaco and get some kind of tax status, maybe. We could do that. Yeah, the problem with that is that that would really undercut our progressive woke positions, wouldn't it?

59:13Luke Moore: All right, let's do it then. Now, everybody, speaking of progressive and woke, we've got a Juan Bernabe update, the former Lazio Falconer, who at the start of the year, of course, had the old penis surgery. You all remember this. I don't know why we've not led with it. Well, his penis. I was going to say, we know what he's doing. He's leaning with his penis. Yeah, he was sacked. He's got the eagle with a handle on it. Yeah. He was sacked for posting pictures of his successful penile implant surgery. It's a tough one to put on the CV, that. Very tough. There seems to be a gap here. What are you doing now?

59:51Luke Moore: I don't know. I worry about it. He popped up at a Serie D club. There appears to be a gap here. Just push that button. There you go. Filled it. Yeah, he was there. I think it was Sari Chi or Sari D side, if you remember showing off his falcon. And of course, he was in the Lazio training ground and barricaded himself in and there was all that kind of stuff. Apparently, he's been there until this weekend. He was evicted over the weekend.

1:00:18Jim Campbell: Again, we joked about this, didn't we? But it turns out he actually did live at the training ground, which is a remarkable setup. And what I think is really interesting about this... penis flopping about. Yeah, just willicopter in constantly. All the space he's got. But do you remember when he was sort of explaining why he had this surgery? He was essentially bigging up his own prowess and his own kind of relentless sex drive talking about how he had to ejaculate as often as possible. So presumably if we are to believe if you don't like it he can ejaculate as often as possible. But so he's bringing people back to the training ground.

1:00:52Jim Campbell: It's embarrassing isn't it? Probably is.

1:00:55Luke Moore: Well when he said he needed to ejaculate he didn't mention anybody else being there. True.

1:00:59Jim Campbell: Have you got a problem

1:00:59Luke Moore: with that, Jim?

1:01:00Jim Campbell: I just think it's unusual. It's a free world. All right. You're right. Should be more open-minded. It's worth remembering that when he did a lot of fascist chanting and did a fascist salute, he just got suspended for that. Yeah, yeah.

1:01:16Luke Moore: I won't be pressing that button for that. Yeah, so clearly a dreadful bloke, but he's gone from Lazio's training ground at last. It's also worth remembering he's 56 years old, which makes it even more tragic. Yeah. didn't it? Because he either just bought a pair of leather trousers and rode a motorcycle around or something but instead he had to get home. Drive from New York to LA. At least he gets some good photos and stories on the way. With Phil Brown. With Phil Brown. I know you're talking. He must be out in the club world. Yeah. So yeah, so he's gone. He had been living in his room at the training ground but was evicted over the weekend.

1:01:44Jim Campbell: Yeah. How did it take? It's really bad to live at the training ground anyway I think. But when they're actively trying to get you to leave for six months and you're just stubbornly burrowing in there that is something else entirely. It shows you the red tape prevalent in our Italian society these days indeed several court orders I expect

1:02:00Luke Moore: I expect as well do you think the falcon is just that fearsome that you go near him and he just shows you the falcon it's like his attack it's an eagle yeah I think a falconer is like a catch-all term for all birds of prey I think it's an eagle I don't think the eagle's living there with him the whole time where's the eagle then does a caged bird sing a sweetly mark usually not no exactly give him time to spread his wings quite literally okay well apparently the Eagle was living there but got removed when he was sacked well so happy ending to the story for the Eagle happy ending to the story the Eagle no longer has to live with a deviant but maybe maybe now he's going to find out where the Eagle is and they'll be reunited the Eagle was perched on the back of a cuck chair we're back tomorrow for the mailbag make sure you're subscribed in your podcast app so you never miss an episode and remember to sign up to the Football Rebel Patreon at patreon.com forward slash football ramble.

1:02:56Luke Moore: And if you didn't like this episode, you can go for a swim. You can play paddle. Yeah, and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Thank you, Luke Moore. Thanks. Thank you, Jim Campbell. Thank you. See you later. See you tomorrow. And thank you, Carvey. Solid.

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