Pete’s Film Club: The Keeper

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3:34welcome back to pete's film club that's right we're back for another run of this absolute monstrosity and to kick things off we thought we'd watch a film with some light anti-german sentiment uh it's it's a world cup year still after all and this is a war film pretty much we are going to be reviewing the 2018 film as trailed The Keeper roll the trailer as long as you are here you will be put to work to compensate for the suffering caused by the war we know your sort did Mr Troutman that's long lot in the goal he's not bad is he this lad could save it from relegation this is not about football dad He's a German, you can't just ignore that.

4:21To me and everyone around here, you're still the enemy. You, play football, keep your gob shut. What's up with Bert's neck? It's a war wound. Poor lad can hardly speak. And also I have a light cord. He's German. You're not, are you? Yes, I am. It's a Philbert Bert Troutman. We may be familiar with his antics as a goalkeeper for Manchester City. He thinks he's in the war. What? What? Unbelievable. You can't say that about a veteran. What did I say? His antics. His antics? What? In golf and Manchester City? His antics. Yeah, but you didn't make that clear. You just said you might have known about his antics, like he was some kind of war criminal.

5:00Marcus Speller: You said, when this was broached, there's something that we were doing again, you said we were bringing it back to field time and you were like, everyone's asked for it. And you almost put it on us, even though I wasn't part of the Ramble at the time, you almost put it on us that the reason it wasn't back is because of how we approached it. We didn't give it our all. Give it the respect, yeah. And straight out of the game. Yeah. I would say, I mean, A, we're getting this one out of the way because Spazzy's in here. But B, I think it's quite hard to do a feature like this because there are so few films that mix drama, love, and soccer, which is the things that, you know, make the world go around certainly the ramble world anyway so this is the film of Bert Troutman the goalkeeper it all kicks off with Bert playing a little bit of football as a prisoner of war in the north west of England he's spotted by Jack Fryer the manager of non-league side St Helens Town who persuades the camp commander to let Bert play for his football team which sounds demented to be quite right but it happened but it did happen and you know this is a true story this fanciful nonsense yeah and all of a sudden Britain was at war with Germany like six years I mean what that would never I mean come on loads of fucking planes dropping bombs and shit what is this a fucking Marvel it's a Marvel one is it while playing for St.

6:27Helens Town Bert starts a romance with the manager's daughter Margaret and the war ends and German prisoner wars can now be repatriated back to Germany so although Troutman is free to return home he doesn't he chooses to stay He's used to stay a little bit of football. And he moves to Manchester City. Jock Thompson offers Troutman a place in his City team. Everyone protests for obvious reasons. The Jewish complement of the sport has obviously got a real problem with that. And Bert helps City to the 1956 FA Cup final. Despite all of that, during the match, he suffers a broken neck in a collision but plays on, producing a series of amazing saves to help Manchester City win the Cup.

7:08The joy is short-lived, though, unfortunately, when Bert and Margaret's young son is tragically killed in a road accident, leaving the couple struggling to cope with their grief. The film ends by celebrating Bert Troutman's legacy. He becomes the first foreign recipient of the English period of the year title and he's recognised by the British and German governments for his work in promoting Anglo-German relations. Well done, Peter. That was really good. Thank you. That was genuinely really good. I wrote that myself. Or if you like, a biopic about the life of Bert Troutman. Yeah. Could you have said that?

7:34Could you have said that? Absolutely fine. Into it. Get into it. We've got 20 minutes to film. as I imagine the director said at the start of this project and it managed to last two fucking hours of it I thought I thought it was Vish and I discussed this briefly earlier right I thought this was A reasonably good and B exactly the wrong type of film for Pete's Film Club yes because A it was reasonably good it was reasonably good the problem is there are limited soccer films and B you never know what they're like until you watch them and I'm not watching like loads and loads of films to figure out which one to own.

8:11Why would you? Why would I?

8:12Marcus Speller: My first point is disappointingly competent. Yeah. It's one of those 86 % on Rotten Tomatoes. That seems high. That is a bit high. I mean, it's pretty war drama mulch, isn't it really? Because I completely agree with Vish. But can I... It's not mulch. It's not mulch. It's mulch. It's mulch. It's very mulchy. It's not 86 % on Rotten Tomatoes. Let me know very clear. It's not mulch. It's a 70s Let me tell you what I think it is Right It's a two hour episode of ITV1's Heartbeat Brilliant Yeah It's shot exactly the same way Exactly the same way In the same part of the country as well where those things are shot It's one of those films that when my partner Sarah suggests she's found a film on Netflix and it's about love and it's British and my heart sinks every single time They're always fine They're always broadly fine but it's just the British stuff I just I'm really against British actors I'm proud of the Germans stopping the film.

9:07Well, if you're against British actors, then you won't like what I'm about to say, but hopefully you will, Vish. The thing that got me on board with it very early on is that one of the main characters is John Henshaw, who is absolutely fan-fucking-tastic as an actor. He is... Easy bloke, Josh, like this. Yeah, he's Ken the Landon in Early Doors, which is one of the great sitcom characters. He's a fantastic actor. A big character actor from, like, he's done everything. Yeah, he's... I love him. He's... And it's also got Dervla Kerber in it, who's a very safe pair of hands as well. She's not in it as much, to be fair.

9:40She was in Goodnight Sweetheart and Bellicus Angel. She was. She's very good, yeah. And it's also got the geezer from This Is England in it, who plays the captain of St. Helens Town, who is dating John Henshaw's character's daughter. Right, yes. Who Bert goes in there and, let's be honest, wrecks the family. Yeah. And then he wrecks his own neck. But it's not his fault. Neck wreckers. Should have called it Neck wreckers. Neck wreckers, yeah. Yeah, like Wu-Tang. Yeah. Listen, Bert Troutman ain't nothing to fuck with. We can all agree with that. But I actually thought the movie was all right. One thing I would say, by the way, is the football scenes were decent.

10:17Yeah, they were. They were nicely put together. In Pete's Film Club, Fish, as you well know, the thing that separates the men from the boys, how you do in the sports scenes, how you do in the action scenes. And this one was actually fine.

10:30Marcus Speller: Some of the dives at the start, I was a bit like, oh, I appreciate they need to be shot a certain way. It felt very sliced alone in Escape to Victory. But that's how 1940s keepers dived. Because they fold in some real footage, don't they? It's exactly the same. Exactly that. He's always doing forward rolls, and I wonder he fucks up his neck all the time. But once you accept that, which is very early on in the film, there's a great scene where I think it sets its stall out early in terms of you're going to see a lot of a goalkeeper diving around. Let's just show it to you now. You're just already used to it, even if you're not familiar with football.

11:03Yeah, totally right. But I think also the thing they had to challenge with was that this is, as we've said, a biopic about Bert Trapper's life. He did have a remarkable life, and I'm led to believe the producers spoke with him extensively before his death. And so I presume all the detail in it, some of which is actually quite harrowing, is authentic. But the problem when you're biopic-ing, is that how you say it? Bioperizing? Biopsy. Biographically telling a story about a goalkeeper's life in a football context, goalkeepers can't really win you games, can they? No. You have to show goals. There's a lot of quite long frost that led to goals, which is funny.

11:42Marcus Speller: So I was going to ask, because I watched this with my wife and she asked, back in the day, was throwing that much more commonplace? Because it's quite a big part of the film in terms of his actual distribution. I think he was just known for it. And it's a revolutionary part of his goalkeeper. I think with Troutman, the idea is that he was not just a really good goalkeeper, who never played for Germany, by the way, I don't think, because of the difficulty with travel and I think the manager at the time wouldn't entertain it. But I think he was quite revolutionary in how he used to approach it. I think he was known for setting up attacks and all the rest of it.

12:15So I think they probably lent into that a wee bit. But they also spent the entire film calling him a Kraut, but no one ever called him Bert Krautman. And I think that's a misdobstant for the writers. The actor who played Bert Krautman in this one. Yeah, I didn't think he was that good. Well, he looks like Ryan out of the OC, which I thought might have pushed a few buttons for Vish. He does a bit Instead of being A troubled youth From Pacino He's a He's a recipient Of a Nazi iron cross

12:41Marcus Speller: And he is He is First and second class The actor Who isn't Any of those things He was acting He learnt the words He learnt the words Someone told him Where to stand But he looks like A cross between Ryan from the OC And Michael Cera Yeah To have that a little bit Yeah Maybe I thought he was He was good enough He was passable I found him I found the performance I'm not I'm not a film critic obviously but I found the performance he was kind of tempted to be kind of complicated and mysterious and brooding and I think he just came across as a bit boring and flat I kind of felt like very sexy the girl who plays Margaret right who's you know he's a love interest I thought she was great I thought she was really like she's outstanding really definitely very believable she was good and I I couldn't help shake the fact that like, you know...

13:34Freya Maver is her name. I haven't seen her in anything else, but she was very good. I couldn't really see what she saw in him. I found him to be a bit boring and a bit fucking weird. Well, I mean, you might be...

13:43Marcus Speller: But he's handsome, he's a bit mystical. Mystical? He's doing spells. Yeah, there's a bit of mystique to him. He's like, he's a prisoner. I will ask... A bit of element of danger, let's say. I will ask a sort of... What was he, a greengrocer or something? He had a shop, didn't he? He's kind of like... He worked at Ken Fryer's Greengrocer, didn't he? Right, okay. Well, why are you taking your young daughter to a prisoner of war camp full of Germans? Because he was doing deliveries. Doing deliveries, mate. That's just not the right thing to do, is it? You're in the middle of a prison full of German prisoners.

14:11It was a different time. It's a different time. I'm not father here, but good God. She takes a penalty against him early on, of course. Yeah, she does. Can that have happened? No, I don't think any of that. I don't think any of it happened. Do you know what I'm going to say?

14:23Marcus Speller: I don't think any of it happened. I don't think any of that happened. Should we be quite frank? David Icke over there. David Icke. No. You do this thing that my dad does all the time. It goes too big. Whenever he sees something biographical made into a film, he's like, well, that's clearly made up. I was like, which bit do you think is made up? And he's like, well, all of it. I was like, well, no. No, it can't be. He did break his neck. So the big thing for me that made the film a little disrespectful, the whole kind of through line is that he, for most of the film, you think that he protected a young child from being shot by one of his army colleagues.

15:00And that's the through line. That's the thing that I... It makes us feel a bit warmer and fuzzier towards Bert Trampman. That never happened in real life. That was just made up. Do you know that to be true? I know that to be true. That never actually happened. And so by the end of the film, it turns out that he hadn't protected it. He regretted not doing it. He regretted not doing it. So it was a kind of like a storytelling device that didn't actually happen. What did actually happen, which the film probably couldn't have done, but Bert Troutman did witness, but was unable to stop. He was 18, he was a Nazi officer.

15:35He witnessed the massacre of a lot of Jews in Ukraine. So there are quite big, lofty, big stories that could have been told in this biopic, but they went for quite schmaltzy, kind of like, you know, Bert Troutman is a fucking... I think it's tricky because... It's tricky because it's a big, It's a big sort of tale to tell. So at one point in the movie early on when they're in the prisoner of war camp, the very angry commanding officer, British commanding officer. A real shit. Who you later find out has had his family killed by a Nazi bombing raid. Yeah. He sits down, all the prisoners of war, Nazi prisoners of war, and he makes them watch footage that's released by, I guess, Pathé or whatever it is.

16:19Of the Belsen. of the liberation of Belsen concentration camp, right? And there's a big bust up between what you're supposed to see is that there's real true believing Nazis in the prisoner of war camp and the German soldiers who were just recruited or who just were doing whatever. And I think what it tries to do, the film, is it tries to tread a line down, was Bert just, quote, you know, the classic cliche, following orders, is he actually a good dude or is he a total wrong-un? and it folds that into the protest from the English footballers, football fans, all the rest of it, when Bert is kind of brought into the fold as what turns out to be a kind of big figure in English football.

17:01And I found that quite confusing as a kind of narrative. I don't think it really landed it. I don't think they really knew what they were trying to do with it. And I also found John Henshaw's character, who was the manager of St. Helens Town, who's the one who first takes the plunge plunge and notices him as being a goalkeeper and wants to take a chance on him he almost comes across one part really cynically opportunistic but it feels that they're trying to write him as being a guy who will forgive and forget and you know come on we're all friends here you know the war's not on anymore we can all just move on with our lives and I just didn't really know how I was supposed to feel about the whole thing I think using footage from Belson and then wrapping it in with him saving it was the same scene pretty much of Troutman and it was saving it at that point, saving a child from being shot.

17:47I did find that quite distasteful. What are the politics and the ethics about using actual footage? So there's been a really big controversy around that because earlier this year, maybe late last year, there's a Russell Crowe movie called Nuremberg where Russell Crowe plays Herman Goering and it's about the trial of Herman Goering at Nuremberg. And Russell Crowe's amazing in it. It's a really good movie, but they use footage in it, real live footage that people would have seen and there was a bit of controversy around that at the time saying that this is distasteful it shouldn't really ever be shown in that way in that context.

18:21You're using it for gravity that you didn't. Kind of, yeah exactly but then the director kind of chimed back saying well you know this did happen and how else am I supposed to portray this right? Do you want me to reenact it? It's not going to happen which is obviously not going to happen So I think there's two ways of looking at it. I thought doing it in this movie, it seemed a bit odd.

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21:02I think the movie failed where it failed on the fact that Bert Troutman, the guy who played Bert Troutman, I just don't think he was that good. You guys think he was good, fine. I thought he just didn't really carry it off. I don't think he was able to have, to play a character of this kind of obvious contradiction, this depth. And I just thought he came across as a bit boring. He didn't really say much. And when he did, there was no real gravity to it. and so to me that was where it fell down because I didn't believe that he was this complicated character who had done all these things and then gone on to do this amazing stuff as a footballer so I thought the movie was fine but I just thought it failed on that basis

21:37Marcus Speller: yeah I mean I thought he was he was passable because of the nature of the film I suppose the story is built around him and thus you know the personality and the gravity of his particular character is there without him having to do anything really and I thought in that regard you know he was totally fine the the stuff about the implanted story of him you know what we think at the time is him protecting the kid and then as it turns out not protecting the kid yeah to be honest at the time i thought it was it did it served a purpose of essentially just regret whether or not that exactly that exact situation happened it's about you know a deep regret and it was more identifiable with the fact that his child dies and he experiences that loss from a completely different side and he references that doesn't he said he's been he's basically been punished for it essentially yeah yeah which is really sad it's kind of yeah um but it's a cipher for the execution of a lot of Jews yeah yeah I I you know just with the Nuremberg thing as well regarding the film I really do think more and more that that stuff needs to be shown front and centre rather than recreated because I actually think it's worse to do it the other way too I think the argument was not using it at all yeah it's such a smolchy kind of like but I think that's more reason to use it in something like this actually where it is like this film goes along and at times you feel like as Luke was saying you're watching like an ITV you know romantic drama but the actual the reality of it has to jar I suppose up against that and I suppose that's the that's the bind that Troutman had throughout well certainly that was the battle that he had throughout certainly during that period of his life as well because there is a moment in the film where I think they do this quite well when he gets taken into the manager's home and he gets given the younger daughter's room yeah and it's a single bed and it's the first time he's been alone in what like when or he's gone to bed at his own time or he's been at you know experiencing some form of peace and they linger with him for about you know five minutes in that scene i thought they did that really well because a lot of it is just like you know like some of the affectations of being in that part of the world they come really close to hamming up where it's like oh he's a he's a fucking german he shouldn't be around here.

24:16Marcus Speller: Don't let him around my daughter. You know, it's just like, just calm me down a little bit. But on that though, I actually found, I found the press conference scene when he signs for City really interesting. Yeah. Because that would have been an absolutely fascinating time to have been involved in football, to be a journalist even. The idea that like, you know, there is this guy who in very, very recent memory has been fighting for the other side you know a truly appalling side i mean whatever anyone thinks about war most people tend to agree you know the best people won that won the second world war even though they think all the other world wars are pointless right yet here's a guy who represents this truly evil kind of empire and he's decided to stay in england he's then signed for one of the biggest teams in the country uh and he's there in a press conference answering questions about his conduct in the war the fact that he's been awarded an iron cross and he answers these questions, which I presume happens.

25:16Yeah. And the manager and the owner of the club are trying to kind of steer it back into football matters, but they're not able to do it because clearly these journalists who have suffered the same way everyone has suffered under this difficult, really difficult period, are just really passionately trying to kind of drill into who he actually is and whether it's acceptable. And of course, there are no rules for this because this has not really happened before. So nobody knows what they're doing. And then apparently, I was reading around this and the thing that gets Troutman over the line effectively and accepted at City, despite the fact that 20-odd thousand fans protest the first game, all the Jewish Man City fans stay away, is that the captain of City at the time is Eric Westwood, who is a Normandy veteran.

25:58He's actually stormed the beaches at Normandy and came out and said, the war is over. We're all footballers. He said something like this, and there are no wars in our dressing room, essentially saying he's welcome here, and that's what wins everything over, which I thought given that what Eric Westwood must have seen in his service career it's like an incredible thing to do because people who would have obviously friends would have been killed it would have been a very traumatic time to say the least for him to say that essentially enables Trout to go on and have the success he's had and City to have the success they've had I just presume it was very sort of like we say it all the time now as long as you play football everything's forgotten do you know what I mean it's kind of like I just thought it was going to be that kind of story but you're right it's kind of

26:36Marcus Speller: and if they actually cast that character if that's a let's throw a name out there if that's Sean Bean you're looking at 90 % on Rotten Tomatoes Sean Bean's not going across the Pennines mate do that right those bastards yeah I'd love Sean Bean to have stepped up and gone listen I know you think he's a bastard but he's our bastard he's a crap bastard yeah it's one of those films where like we sit down and watch it and the start is everyone's at like a dance and the Luftwaffe are bombing around and the announcer's going don't worry everybody it's just a Luftwaffe dropping off a few presents for us and then a bomb hits really close this guy's a fucking liability whoever the one hits his that's not the drill we've been through this and they're obviously and the second scene is like Bertram is in the prison war camp and he's like sitting on his bunk and someone comes over and goes Heil Hitler and you just sort of go fucking leave it out man that's why we're here that's why we're in this fucking prison I'm very interested by like the fact that all of the jackets had those kind of red circles on them and stuff.

27:44And you know, the Nazi memorabilia collectors, they never have the prison uniforms, do they? They always have the iron crosses and all their proper uniforms and stuff when they were doing the fighting. That is a great point. I'm just saying they're interested on the other side. The fighting side of things.

28:00Marcus Speller: That's part of the Troutman story that's really interesting, or the part of the story that I find really interesting is the fact that you talk a lot about the number of Nazi soldiers who fled to South America who just were able to slip back into normal life. Even some of those, you know, when they repatriated the German prisoners of war, a lot of them did just kind of go in and whether they had regrets or not, go back into normal life. But Troutman had that all the way through, though, didn't he? like when his starting again by choice because he wanted to stay and you know pursue his football career was as a former Nazi soldier for someone who constantly carried that which why you know when they show the breakdown of the end of all the things that he was awarded for you know Anglo-German relations on both sides from the British government and the German government it's pretty fucking incredible oh I think it's an amazing story yeah you see why he approached it it's an amazing story that's the thing you can't get away from that his life has been an amazing story which is obviously why it gets commissioned why it gets made by Liebling's film which is German for favourite movie right there we go that feels very like Liebling is one of the most one of the only nice sounding words in German that's true actually I love German Pilsner's good but that sounds very much like when you enter a pub quiz and you call yourself and the winner is yeah oh nice love that Yeah, have you done that, Vish, have you?

29:37Marcus Speller: No, never. Nice, that was your big fan. But I just wanted to make the point that his life is an amazing story and it's absolutely justifiable to make a movie about him. I think the problem is when you do this kind of stuff, it felt to me that, rightly or wrongly, and I know that the tragedy of his son being killed, which is truly sad and obviously a massive part of his life and you can't underplay that. To me, sometimes far with biopics, they lean too much into the love story element of it. And perhaps Bert himself would be like, well, the most important part of my life was my wife and my beautiful family.

30:19I get all that. But the interesting part of his life isn't the fact that he met a woman, married her, had a few kids, right? I mean, I don't want to sound harsh. It's the most important thing to him. But for us and the view in public, the reason you want to watch this movie is because of all the stuff you guys have just said. Show us his wobbly head. Yeah, exactly. Let's see the x-rays. To be fair, we did see the x-rays at one point. Yeah, nice. And I guess a very fucking long run up of saying what I'm actually trying to say, which is that the very first moment in this movie, you see Margaret and Bert, you know they're going to get together.

30:56Yeah. And it's like, it takes an hour of the movie for it to actually happen. And I personally found that a little bit like momentum killing I wanted to see as much and I think part of it is because they can't just show football over and over and over again so they have to find a way of kind of knitting it together you need her friend looks like producer Laura Garb yeah she was basically trying to stop her from you know getting with them and stuff because she was obviously going out with the goalkeeper getting involved with the kraut getting involved with kraut what are you

31:28Marcus Speller: what are you bloody doing there yeah and at one point you're all in shop with German Margaret is my girl Stay away Take a penalty I didn't I hated this The emotional kind of crescendo Bert Troutman Trapman off with Someone else's girl What does the guy say he was already dating her? Stay away from Margaret Stay away from my girl If you know what, good for you and so after a big this is so offensive to Northern people yeah fuck it it is Northern there's a big sort of working class kind of like good old sing song scene where everyone's having a good time after you know a big win and stuff and obviously Bert Troutman's relentless pursuit of someone else's partner he's not really is he crescendos with a penalty competition in the rain for some reason come out here and let me take a penalty against you or I'm going to beat you up and Bert becomes quite arrogant about it because the guy takes the penalty because no what he says is he says I'll take the penalty and if I score it she's my girl yeah that works doesn't it and if you save it you can have her I'm paraphrasing she's not someone to be owned she's a human being she'll never be off yeah but Bert gets really arrogant about it doesn't even bother trying to save the pen doesn't even try to save But that's a callback to the first time they meet, which is when she takes a penalty against him and he doesn't try and save it.

33:04Marcus Speller: No, I get that, but it does come across as arrogant and he is German, so bear it in mind. It's still a work-up, yeah. How you come across, exactly. What happens to the lad, the St. Helens Town captain? We never hear from him again. No, just, you know. Absolute pillar of the community he was. All he had is he did his best for the team, had his wishes taken off him, and he was standing out in the rain at the end. The other thing about it is, is like, so in the scene before they go out and take a penalty in the rain, because obviously it had to be raining. Because it's up north. Yeah. He is, so she looks longingly at Bert Troutman via a mirror when she sat with him to speak of this unrequited love.

33:51Marcus Speller: A dirty mirror, because it's in the past and it's in the north. Yes. But he also, she also looks at him in a way that, like us the viewer are supposed to be like yeah he doesn't treat her with respect or she can do much better than him blah blah blah yeah he is being absolutely fine he sat with her talking to other people yeah and she's just looking a bit bored but they're clearly really engaged in what he has to say so he's clearly quite charismatic and at no point does he do anything wrong during the film apart from have reservations that a former nazi soldier is playing in their team yeah that's it yeah that's entire and she's like oh he doesn't deserve her he might do you know yeah he might do yeah that's fair comment and then she gets up and dances with him and he's annoyed about that they need to they need to they needed to have made him a more you know unsympathetic character for that to work because I know it's tricky because you don't want to get into the kind of how nasty can you make him type thing but ultimately you're right to say that I mean I think it's just the idea is that Bert is obviously destined for greatness and she can identify that and so she wants to be a part of that and he is and again I think that comes back to what I was saying earlier the reason you see that and that feels jarring is because I just don't think the actor playing Bert Tramman is seductive or glamorous or interesting enough why don't you want to fuck Seth from the Aussie that's a different question that's a good question you know he have you watched Kingsman yes the 2021 the fucking dreadful film I've seen the first one no no so this is the the most recent one which is The King's Man.

35:26Marcus Speller: No, I haven't seen it. Is that a third film? I think it's a third, yeah. Awful, awful film. Really, really dreadful. Your man, David Cross, who plays Bert Ruttman, plays Adolf Hitler in that film. Of course he does. Of course he does. In a terrible King's Man, Kingsman film. He's played other roles, though. Yeah, I'm sure. He's an actor, Pete. He comes with the territory. How do we summarise it, though, Pete? Are we going to give it a mark out of ten? What do we want to do? So we sort of wrap it up by, the film ends with him performing incredibly well for Man City, wins the FA Cup, he breaks his neck at you.

35:58They were actually relegated in 1950, by the way. I'm not sure the film covers that. No, they didn't actually. It's the year Portsmouth won the league, so can't forget that, Harry. And then he has, after his son suddenly passes, he has a fight with his wartime prison warden in a graveyard. Again, didn't happen.

36:15Marcus Speller: Yeah, that was the most jarring bit of the film. And I think they put that in there. To round everything off, to get that necklace back to him? Yes. what was the necklace the necklace was the dependent from the boy that got shot of course yes oh the other thing didn't happen good yeah yeah really the only thing that got right in that scene is that the prison guard and Bert Troutman didn't make up in that sense of like oh you know I forgive you go on yeah it's utterly needless that maybe it's just endless he just turns up at different points in Bert Troutman's life stacks him in the neck loads of like a Tim Robertson sketch yeah Loads of amazing stuff did happen to Bert Troutman, but in this movie, the most memorable scenes are things that simply did not happen.

37:01Yeah. Seven out of ten, that's it. Ends with the Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds track. I mean, that's what we can really say. Is that what it was? It was a six out of ten film, wasn't it? Six and a half? It was fine. The Noel Gallagher knocks it down to a six. Yeah, I'd say. What would you give it?

37:16Marcus Speller: Six and a half, a 6.8. Yeah. To me, that's about right. Out of ten, yeah. Yeah, I'll go with that. So ultimately if Rotten Tomatoes are given 86%, that's 8.6 out of 10. That's too high. Too high. Way too high. To be fair... I imagine an American audience might find it a little bit more palatable, I suppose, because they're not familiar with Bert Troutman. They haven't seen it. They will not have watched it. They hoped to see it. I think it was a really... They only just found out about football this summer as well. I think it was originally released in Germany as just Troutman. Troutman. Right.

37:45But like they could have done it. I'm a Troutman.

37:48Marcus Speller: Only 29 reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, so maybe with a few more that I'd recalibrate. Maybe someone can link to this video slash podcast. Pete, you said it was mulch, but you're still giving it six out of ten. Yeah. That's mulch for me, isn't it? Is it? Yeah, a high mulch. Can't wait to be a shit one. Yeah. Well, look, it's the reopening of Pete's Film Club. Do you regret making us watch this film? That's how we should review every... Yeah, exactly. Very, very heavy, you know, very heavy stories. You know, subjects we've been talking about. Probably should have done Socket Dog 3. but you know I think it was I think it's a nice opening a nice kind of kind of palate cleanser palate cleanser yeah talk about Nazis for an hour yeah nice palate cleanser for everyone thanks very much should we should we be covering it's a nice full stop after the World Cup after the one you've had alright I love it a lovely calm episode of the Film Club where we merely discuss the Nuremberg trials would we would we like a little bit of Dervler-Kerwin history that I found on Wikipedia I thought we finished the show so this is a bonus this is a little bonus right in 1997 Kerwin sang with Dustin the turkey on Irish television on his cover of Fairytale of New York Dustin the turkey was a turkey vulture with a strong Dublin accent and he first appeared on the den with Zig and Zag in December 1989 he outlasted four human co-hosts there you go see you next time thank you for listening to the Football Ramble part of the Acast Creator Network Vish you're back tomorrow Yes.

39:18A bit more of this. Yes. And Jimmy's totals here.

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