Ramble Reacts: Liverpool steal the points

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3:06Jim Campbell: This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. What a night at St. James' Park, everybody. Welcome to Rumble Reacts. Liverpool just managed to beat 10-man Newcastle United. I'm Marcus Speller. And I'm Jim Campbell.

3:37Welcome to Roundup Reacts, everybody. Poof. What a game at St James' Park. We didn't think we were going to get a game, especially when Anthony Gordon was sent off, but it ended Newcastle United 2, Liverpool 3. Ultimately, it was heartbreak for Newcastle United, who battled so well, did so admirably well, Jim, to get themselves back into the game and get to the point where you thought they were going to win it. But then a 16-year-old popped up and grabbed the three points for Liverpool.

4:10Jim Campbell: Yeah, I mean, we're all thinking the narrative is going to be about Newcastle, you know, getting an incredible draw with the one striker that they do have at the club that no one's barely, you know, mentioning, given the Ezek situation. And that's looking like an absolutely amazing story. And then an actual child comes along and just kind of steals the show, really. It was a really... It was riddled with kind of fantastic moments, really, this game, wasn't it? Because as you say, when Anthony Gordon goes off, you think, oh, this is it. This is probably just going to peter out. It will take the sting out of the crowd.

4:46Jim Campbell: The crowd were obviously amazing. Even at 2-0 down, you know, when they sensed that Newcastle could get back into it, they really sort of powered them to that. And it was an incredible spectacle. I almost can't believe Newcastle didn't get anything out of it given the amount of energy and effort they put into that. Yeah, I mean, they were clapped off, and rightly so, but it was a sickener. But for 16-year-old Rio Ungamoa, what a finish. I mean, yes, it was a presentable chance, and had he not have scored, it would have been a bad miss. But considering his age, considering the situation, we were into, what were we, into the 100th minute by then?

5:26Something like that, yeah. The ball breaks to him and a finish was with aplomb. A curl on it. Tidy finish.

5:33Jim Campbell: Yeah, absolutely. Real finesse. Leaves Pope just rooted to the spot, which is the sign of, obviously, the whip, the bend and the power that he's got on that. It's easy to think that that's straightforward, isn't it? But under the pressure like that, I know he's got nobody on him, but it's the curl on it there that really shows that this is a kid that's got some quality. Yeah, what a moment. Yeah, I mean, I didn't think for large parts of the game, Liverpool would need a 100th minute winner from a substitute, but they did. And that's because Newcastle battled so well. I mean, going back to the start of the game, I mean, Newcastle United, straight out the traps.

6:16They were up for it. They were full of beans. As you mentioned earlier, the stadium was absolutely rocking. and you know what St James' Park can be like? Very intimidating for teams to go and play there. They were creating opportunities. They pushed Liverpool back by and large. And I think a lot of people watching that game in and out of the stadium are thinking, right, you've got to score. You're on top. Make this count.

6:42Jim Campbell: Yeah, and they were kind of sensational in that period of play up until Gravenberg obviously goes and gets Liverpool's opening goal. And obviously you're right. We're all thinking you have to make this count. But at the same time, it really felt like they'd ruffled Liverpool quite a bit and they were stopping them from stringing passes together. And they looked very kind of, they looked like they were holding on and regrouping, which obviously they are so fantastic at. And you've got to look at this two games into the season and go, well, that is the type of win that champions make, isn't it? And possibly there's an argument if they're needing to do that two games in, Maybe that's not a good thing, but it might also be that, you know, they're still getting up to speed with the season and whatnot.

7:24Jim Campbell: But, you know, Newcastle really, they were the better team by some distance in those opening exchanges. And it was, yeah, it's what those fans have come to expect from old Ed Howes, Newcastle United. It's up and at them. It's full of energy, closing down. More energy than you is the tone, isn't it? Yes, exactly, yeah. and that midfield three much talked about looked solid and Bruno Gimera how he walks off the pitch in the end exceptional game yeah man possessed but when Gravenberg scores that goal it did just suck a bit of the life out of Newcastle not it would be the red card that would do that for that first half but it was a it's a great strike from Gravenberg's point of view, a bit of a squirmy one.

8:20But if you're Newcastle United, again, the manner of that goal, how far out it was, as I say, Gravenberg's great strike and he'll be well pleased with that, as he should. But they're not in any danger, are they,

8:35Jim Campbell: before he does it? Or it certainly doesn't feel like they've made much of a mistake in conceding it, you know? Yeah, I feel that it's perhaps not quite right to call it a soft one to concede but it feels like it comes out of nowhere sure and that's just you know that's the mark of the quality that a lot of these liverable players have they it's not they make this stuff look easy it's just most players can't do that they've got a lot of players that can give you those moments so you look at that happening and you think oh this is kind of essentially is typical of liverpool they've got those clutch players and they're just doing it again and that's why you never feel safe against them and again you know early in the second half when Eketike scores that goal you think it's only going to go one way and they will be gutted about having conceded that just a little kind of the ball falls fairly kindly to him just a little bit of a lapse in concentration I suppose and that has obviously had a massive massive effect on the game but we should probably talk about the red card because obviously that is the defining moment in the game there and yeah you can't do that can you I think that But I think Gordon knew, didn't he?

9:44He didn't protest. Van Dijk knew as well. And I think you saw the interaction that they had afterwards where Van Dijk's just looking at his calf. And Gordon realises. He's got those two massive stud marks down it. I mean, when Gordon gets sent off, Van Dijk kind of sort of pats him on the back. It didn't seem patronising. It seemed like, look, yeah. That's how it goes. Exactly, yeah. It was almost a bit like tough luck, pal. because I don't think Gordon is a dirty player necessarily. It's not his first red card though.

10:18Jim Campbell: I think it's just a bit of recklessness, isn't it? It is, totally. Rather than quote-unquote dirtiness. I think he's just really, really pumped up and they're in a good moment. They're trying to get that kind of tone back from earlier on when they were on top. He's essentially just misjudged it. I think the only sort of flicker of protest that one maybe saw on social media or something was he's not made much contact or this that and the other but I mean with the calf the fact is you saw the marks on his leg you saw the sock was ripped even if he didn't make that much contact even if there was no mark the follow through is there it could have really hurt Van Dyke and again I don't think anybody's complaining the guy who did it didn't complain it it was it was a good process well done var it was it's it's when you see it in in real time isn't it yeah um that you you realize how quite how reckless it was um i also think that what's quite funny about it is that van dyke he's obviously a very tough man so he's that's probably her he's got those scrapes down he's down the back of his calf um but at the same time he can't quite hide the joy in the fact that he knows that they're going to be down to 10 men.

11:32Jim Campbell: It's like, yeah, yep. I will take that all day long. You can all have a kick at me if you want, if you're slinging your rook afterwards. True enough, yeah. And when that sending off happens, and they go in at halftime, you do think to yourself, if it was 0-0, or if it was 1-0 Newcastle in particular, there's a chance there. You feel that they had the game, they didn't capitalise, they get sucker punched, and then they get a sending off. and then they come out after half-time and Eketike scores after, was it 25 seconds? 15 seconds. Yeah, whatever it was. And that's it. You're thinking, well, this is a pretty straightforward ramble reaction we've got to do.

12:10Everyone's going, I'd imagine there would have been some people who might have flicked over or watched something else. And Eketike, let us just linger on his goal for a moment. Lovely finish again from him. He's really taken to the Premier League. He really has, yeah.

12:26Jim Campbell: it looks like he's very, very at home. I think he's going to score a lot of goals this season. We obviously haven't mentioned Alexander Izak yet, which is, you know, the game was so good, the narrative hanging over it hasn't even sort of come to the fore yet. But you look at him and you think, I mean, they are quite similar, aren't they, in a lot of ways. He's doing the things that Izak would do at Liverpool if he ends up playing there. And that's quite an interesting thing. and it makes me wonder if it will make Liverpool think twice about actually pulling the trigger on that or if they'll look elsewhere to get a slightly different profile of player.

13:01Jim Campbell: But yeah, he's got really, really quick feet. He's really good at finding space. Although, you know, that said, there were plenty of moments where Newcastle's defence marshaled him very, very well. And again, they had a really, really kind of good evening and it feels unfair that they've gone home with nothing to show for it. And the narrative around Newcastle in the summer has been very interesting, hasn't it? Because obviously so much of what shapes our opinion of teams, particularly in the summer, is based around the transfer window and is based around quite tedious kind of banter about who's doing what and who's, you know, failing at this and et cetera.

13:39Jim Campbell: And I think there's been a sense that people have forgotten quite how good this Newcastle team is without any additions to it. You know, they got into the Champions League. They won the Carabao Cup. They're a really good team. They're a balanced team. They're a strong team. They are an absolute nightmare to play against at St. James' Park, that nobody goes there and has a comfortable win. So that's a quite interesting point from this, I think. It's a sign of how competitive this team is going to be, even if they haven't had the window that they've hoped. Yes, I think I take the points, and you're right, with Newcastle I mean you know what you're going to get from them with the spirit they have with the togetherness that side has with the players they have etc etc they can do something the squad in terms of age profile of one or two of the players would need a little bit of freshening up you might say it's absolutely maybe a bit short and also an injury to one of those midfield three you know even I mean I understand Tenale was outside for a while and so on but the fight they have they showed it in abundance in this game because like we say Ekotike scores and well that's it to you later boring genuinely this is going to be boring now yeah definitely and my goodness Bruno Guimaraes and the boys gave us an evening and like I say that man walking off the pitch at full time having no reward for his efforts in terms of points seems remarkable.

15:18He gets the goal in the 57th minute. And Liverpool seemed to kind of relax a bit when they got the second, which you can understand. And Newcastle, they sensed that. And they came forward and thought, well, let's have a go. And the way Guimaraes really kind of bullies Kerkic, doesn't he, with that header, is great forward play. And Kerkic, I understand, he's very new to the Liverpool side and it'll be a heavier shirt than the Bournemouth one and so on. But he hasn't shown the kind of form yet that he did that made them sign him, of course. No, he didn't have a great game tonight. Yeah, he'll be disappointed with himself.

15:52But Bruno Guimaraes, the energy and the aggression he showed in scoring that goal, he then carried on for the rest of the evening. What if it was Beckham v. Greece stuff?

16:02Jim Campbell: Yeah, absolutely. He does seem to just have this kind of bottomless well of energy if he's angered enough. and he's a really funny player in a lot of ways where some players, they lose their heads a little bit when they get wound up like that and they make bad decisions and they jump into rash tackles. Gimmar Ice, he just seems to get better and more focused and as you say, really lead his team like that. He was such a huge part in the energy they displayed in getting back into it. There were times where it almost felt like Liverpool had forgotten that they had a man advantage. And I actually think possibly the reason that Liverpool even had the space to get that winner is that Newcastle were potentially still in a mindset of thinking they could go and get a winner themselves.

16:49Jim Campbell: I think it was. I think it absolutely was.

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20:00I think a concern I'd have about Liverpool is they didn't respond to that. No, they didn't. As you said, Jim, it's like they forgot that they were a man up. It was as if Newcastle were a man up. It was very kind of lacklustre, really. And Liverpool's back line looks like you can get at it. This was the chat, you know, in the community shield when Palace played them. What happened? And Liverpool looked pretty frightening going forward in the early stages. And then Palace came back and everyone said, oh, hang on. And Jamie Carragher was saying, I'm a bit concerned about this. Because, you know, Andy Robertson's not a starter anymore.

20:37Trent's not there. Canate, has he lost focus? You know, this proposed Real Madrid move, is that affecting him? Van Dijk's a little older. He's still a great centre-half. You know, but perhaps are we beginning to see signs of age there? Time will tell. Well, I mean, let me rephrase that. He will in time, absolutely. But we shall see if... He will absolutely age. We can guarantee that he will age. Yeah, that's right. Perhaps it's a bit early to maybe talk about him in those kind of terms. We shall see this season. But I think that the first two games of the season... I mean, Bournemouth looked like they were...

21:19Denberry had come roaring back and then it was a late rally and all that. I mean, look at the goal. Let's talk about that second Newcastle United goal. Yeah. I mean, Nick Pope is a good goalkeeper and he's been a great servant for Newcastle United. He's not known for playing out from the back. He's not known for Edison-like long balls, a pinpoint and all the rest of it. It's a hit and hope over the top. And once again, Liverpool, with that man advantage, fail to deal with something pretty simple and the substitute Osula nips in and suddenly the stadium's alight. It's incredible.

22:00Jim Campbell: It feels like it's really a tactical mistake that that goal is even possible because of the high line that Liverpool put together in terms of defending that quite deep free kick that Newcastle had. They really invited that exact situation. I suppose they back themselves to just quickly clear it up and take the advantage of, I suppose, being a bit further up the pitch when you do so. But it backfired pretty spectacularly. It was piss poor defending. It's such a basic goal. When you know there's only a few minutes left, the team with 10 men, they're still knocking around, they're still in there, the crowd are up thinking there's something in for us.

22:33Heads on. Just so basic.

22:37Jim Campbell: yeah it was um and obviously the place goes absolutely just deranged with joy at that point um and then i guess you know 11 minutes comes up on the board and we're all thinking the same thing there's going to be a there's going to be a winner yeah and it's going to be spectacular one way or the other totally and i suppose the fact that it's young rio engamaua um is really one of the most romantic things, romantic ways that game can end, aside from a Newcastle goal, obviously. So again, a really brilliant match in just the second round of games. And I do think as well, part of the fuel of the Newcastle crowd was obviously the Yizak situation.

23:20Jim Campbell: Yes, of course. And knowing that he's kind of watching this somewhere, sulking in some way or another. And yeah, I mean, we were hoping that Palace Forest was going to be touchier than it was and it disappointed a little bit didn't it aside from the banner and what not but in terms of the crowd this delivered in spades yeah does that goal from Young Rio does that vindicate Isak want it to go you sit there going I'm just wondering if we'll get in the team yeah right maybe I should just apologise to everybody they have both clubs have had a rat summer yeah and it's you know it's going to be concluded one way or another I was hoping he'd be in the stadium just sort of like wearing John Lennon glasses or yeah but it wasn't to be wasn't to be sadly yeah Ref Cam was there though Ref Cam was there this was my other observation from the game how shit is Ref Cam so bad like because the one bit of Ref Cam that was good was when the referee was in the box I think Liverpool were defending a corner and there were two or three players just saying something to the ref and they don't look happy and that's funny just because it is but we can't hear them so you know it only goes so far and it's janky isn't it it is so janky it's like this Blair Witch project I mean it was just it was shockingly bad Luke made the comment on WhatsApp he was like it looks like Duke Nukem I was half expecting the referee to sort of haul a machine gun over his shoulder just like mowing him down an alien to appear it was just so crap no wonder they should never broadcast it again when it was first used and as you say it was just all janky and jittery clearly the director was a bit like get this off the screen now this is going to make everybody seasick at home but yeah the only bit that was barely broadcastable was when the referee stood still and the players were having a go but even that the whole thing looks like a computer game or a video game should I say it does it's one of those things where you know when people are like how can we squeeze more out of football we need more football and there's so much of that already this season with like the annoying interviews at half time of players who should really be with their teams don't need interviews at half time right pointless the other thing is do you remember I think is it I can't remember if it's at Spurs or Man City's ground where if you pay, you know, half of your monthly wage, you can watch the players in the tunnel before they go out.

25:57There's a glass thing and there's a bar and you can watch them. And it's like, why would you pay an extra three grand?

26:03Jim Campbell: You're going to see them any minute doing their actual jobs, doing the good bit. Yeah, exactly. It's just like we need to see it from the camera angle. We need to see it from a thing that no one else seen before. Yeah, but do you remember the first kind of inklings we had of this it wasn't on referees there was a game in I think the Premier League Summer Series it might not have been called that then but it was in America and it was Aspen Villa against yeah, it was Uri Tillemans and funnily enough Bruno Gimaraes and it was amazing and that looked like a computer game but in a good way it looked like one of those old kind of advert like pre-World Cup adverts one of the one that had Cristiano Ronaldo in it and it looked great and it showed you how quick the game is and this is just the worst possible way of doing that.

26:48Yeah, but footballers, right? Especially a player like Tielemans, you think he's got lovely balance, okay? That's one of the things a top player needs. He's got a bit of grace. Don't give it to some... Look, referees are very fit, okay? And I don't want to sound... But don't give it to some middle-aged bloke who's trying to keep up with playing, running around the pitch, you know? Yeah.

27:06Jim Campbell: I mean, we could possibly have the scenario where one referee forgets that he's got ref cam on and just goes about his day with it on for like a week or something. Punches the player? Until he gets home. Who knows? Who knows? Just goes about his day being a sort of middle-aged weird man. Oh, I see what you mean. Which, you know, comes for us all. And maybe it could get a bit Duke Nukem, although that would be, well, against the law, quite frankly. Well, I mean, it was inevitable that Liverpool were going to win because Newcastle United have now got 18 Premier League matches without a win against Liverpool.

27:37The last Newcastle manager to lead them to victory against Liverpool was Jim Campbell? Steve McLaren. Steve McLaren in December 2015. Nice for McLaren to get a positive mention for a change. Absolutely. Hopefully Eddie Howe and Jason Tindall will be tapping him up for ideas. Exactly. He was the last one that managed to mastermind a victory. But bigger picture for Liverpool, I tell you what, every game that goes by, by prediction for Arsenal and in the league, I think, oh, I've absolutely spot on. I would say this to Arsenal fans. Top of the league, mate. Absolutely. I would say to Arsenal fans, Man City, the Empire, it's gone.

28:20Liverpool, they can be got at. The week starts celebrating the title. We're now. Two weeks in. That's what I would say. You know what? Maybe I will.

28:29Jim Campbell: Yeah. Maybe I will. I'll be honest, Marcus. It's been in the chamber for some time. Maybe I'll just go early. Imagine that. The thing is, Jim, right, if you do go this early, then if you don't end up winning it you kind of go oh well at least add a bit of cheer and if you do end up winning it you think well I was bloody right indeed indeed heed my advice sir heed my advice now I've never been wrong before have you well not about that it was reported that NUFC co-owner Jamie Rubin and a Piff Posse delegation met with Alexander Isak at his home today sinister just to see if he was still there presumably yeah I mean the situation looks like I don't know it's interesting that Newcastle have had a£50 million bid for striker Jorgen Strand-Larsen rejected by Wolves if you are Mr Strand-Larsen are you going in there going did they I mean it's about money isn't it this could go one way or another I mean you'd accept 55 would you would you accept 55 they're champions of the club aren't they It's the food chain, baby.

29:40Jim Campbell: It is. You know what? I have to say, in terms of how Newcastle themselves have approached this, I think they've been brilliant with it, really smart, in that they have emphasised that there is a pathway back to the team and being integrated into it. And they've essentially made it clear there will be no hard feelings. We want you to stay. And they've been really, really consistent in that. Obviously, that's what they want to happen. I suppose if they really, really dig in, they can essentially just make that happen. Maybe Liverpool won't come back in with another bid. There's loads of different scenarios in which, you know, Alexander Izak is still at Newcastle when the window shuts.

30:13Jim Campbell: And I think they've played it really, really well. Yeah. Yeah, I think they have. And I think it's clear that Newcastle now, if they can find a striker who will be... I know when they went for Wisser, the talk was he'll be a replacement for Callum Wilson. Yes. Clearly, if they're going for Strand Larsson, that they are now going for a replacement for Isaac. And if they can get one, then we'll see a sale happen, I think, a bit quicker. But, you know, I mean,£50 million for Straniel Arsene, I understand for Wolves, for them to replace him with a guy who they know can score goals in the Premier League and Wolves may be thinking they could be in a relegation scrap this season.

30:59Maybe not. We'll see. Although, I mean, I have tipped them to go down. Selling him would certainly aid that. Yeah, I think that would, I mean, he's, look, I mean, clearly if they offered, you know, an unbelievable sum of money, but he's, I would say he's bordering on sort of priceless really at this stage. I think if this is maybe, you know, back in June or something, then maybe they accept. But yeah, but can Newcastle find a replacement for Isak from this time before the window shuts? Maybe not a ready-made Premier League one.

31:32Jim Campbell: Sure. With every day that goes by, it's harder and harder. And it will almost certainly be a downgrade, whatever happens, won't it? So it'd be very interesting to see how that plays out. I have to say, obviously, all of the headlines about Anthony Gordon are going to be about the red card now. But I think he was pretty impressive in that role. Now, I'm not suggesting he's a long-term solution to that. But as somebody stepping into a role that is not their primary role, I thought he did a really, really good job. And you know what? I thought, were this the 90s, he'd be the kind of withdrawn guy in a 4-4-2 and he'd be absolutely brilliant at it.

32:07Jim Campbell: A bit of Peter Beardsley about him. Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. I do quite like that. Well, speaking of Alexander Isak, we did see something quite provocative in Newcastle on Sunday. WWE star JD McDonough wore a Liverpool shirt with Isak Nairn on the back while wrestling in Newcastle. I mean... That's some easy heat, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It is. let's get the town talking. Yeah. It's probably quite expensive, that shirt. Absolutely worth it. Absolutely worth it for the hate you're going to get if you're into that sort of thing. I should say so. But yeah, great little tip for Mark Gay.

32:42Jim Campbell: You know, Mark Gay himself might end up at Liverpool. He could wear a Liverpool game in his first, in his last Palace appearance if he's serious about being a heel. Well, I did think to myself after tonight's game that Liverpool could really do with Mark Gay at the back because Yeah. Like I say... Yeah, you would think they're going to dip into the market for a defender, right? It does seem like it's the only obvious kind of potential weakness. Yeah, I think for me, though, I mean, talking on that, I think, you know, what Slott did so very, very well last season was just guide the team. You know, Klopp had obviously made a lot of changes, refreshed parts of the squad enough, and Slott comes in and just kind of guides it.

33:29Just catches the momentum of that and obviously with pretty poor seasons from certainly Man City and Arsenal tailing off as well, it just guides them and Mo Salah plays. We remember what happened. This season, and it was only Federico Chiesa who came in of course. So he was all set up for him to succeed and hats off to him. He did that. This season is different. He's made signings. He's now going to shape the team. We're going to find out what, you know, Arna Slott's Liverpool are really going to be like. And so far, as I say, okay, they're scoring goals defensively. They look a bit suspect. And I believe they've got Arsenal coming to town next weekend.

34:13Jim Campbell: That'd be a very, very interesting game. I think Eberechi Ezer could tear through them, Jim. I would be very pro Ezer doing that. But yeah, it's going to be a really, really interesting test of those two teams, isn't it? And we've mentioned it a few times and it always comes up in this situation when there's kind of a champion who hasn't been a champion for a while as well. But retaining a title is really, really difficult. And it's kind of a skill in itself because you've gone to the well so much in the season before. It takes a lot out of it. So, yeah. But they, you know, they are getting it done, aren't they?

34:49They are indeed. And remember everybody, if you're a neutral and you were a little bit sad to see Newcastle not get anything out of the game, as I think I was for a moment, just remember though the camera panned to Yasser Al-Ramain, Mr. Piff Posse himself. And he looked sad. And lest we forget, the man is an enormous cunny. All right. Thank you very much for listening to the Football Ramble, part of the Agar's Creator Network. Jim and I are back alongside Vish and Luke on Wednesday. Do make sure you subscribe in your podcast app so you never miss an episode. See you on Wednesday. Bye.

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