Relinquish the ball

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4:23Arsenal beat Unai Emery's Aston Villa in a proper... Well, it started off poorly, but it got a lot better in the second half. Aston Villa nil, Arsenal won. Saka with a goal in the 59th minute. And as I said, it's a match that started with great promise, but that first half was attritional, Vish. It was, it was. it basically reflected where both teams are in that Arsenal are the defending champions looking to do what they did so well last year in just control games from start to finish. And Aston Villa are a side who have basically had their assets stripped and are just, you know, they used to be a bank and now they're just a building with employees looking around being like, Is it just us?

5:10is this going to be a beat at one at any point yeah this is an all-bar one i can i can see the all-bar one capacity yeah yeah yeah is a metallic interior really the best thing for sound design in a in a vibrant pub but yeah it was um it was one of those performances where because arsenal are defending champions it was very apparent that it was or it definitely felt like a very professional performance. You know, 1-0 to the Arsenal, controlling the game, not really necessarily having to flex any attacking wares and being fine and just doing what they did, as I said. And with Villa, there was an element of feeling a bit sorry for them.

5:52Yeah, I think that's fair. When Arsenal play a possession game like that, I do sort of got to just wish... I know you haven't got much up top right now and you need to kind of figure that out sooner rather than later, but it was, you know, 70 % possession, but it just felt like they weren't doing a lot with it. They're going to be very hard to beat this season, as they were last season, but you do sort of go, nine-tenths of the ball. It's just possession. Nine-tenths of the ball. It was boring. It didn't do anything with the fish. It annoyed me a little bit until like the last sort of 10 minutes and injury time as well.

6:28Yeah, they do have moments where they end up in attacking positions. Like Saka did this a few times yesterday, actually. And you look up and you're like, right, our striker is suddenly right next to me trying to have a chat and there's no one in the middle. And so they almost circle back around. So they definitely have the capacity and the willing to get in attacking positions. And then because they don't want to waste it on a hopeful cross to one person, with three defenders. They never make that cross. And that is totally understandable. But I did wonder, we're recording this on deadline day itself.

7:14But I did wonder if the way that Chelsea are free scoring, the way that Man City are free scoring, those two being probably their main challenges this season, if they are then compelled to go and sign someone, I don't think it would necessarily be Monday night's game in isolation, but maybe what everyone else is doing around them as well. Yeah, I mean, it was a night of kind of debuts, really, on both sides a little bit. We had Suzuki and Jackson getting their debuts, obviously, for Villa. Wan-Bissaka, Garnacci, came on later as well. We had Ezgi Concer coming on for Arsenal. And, yeah, the Villa fans gave him a short shrift, I think it's fair to say.

7:56the ovation when he came on it was slightly mixed but there was a lot of applause there it was quite nice to see I mean we'll go in to talk about the transfer window later on in this show and probably tomorrow when it actually shuts but I've really, I've genuinely hated this transfer window because it feels very much like the season hasn't started almost is it these are just throw away matches because everything's going to change so much exactly and and also just the fact that players a lot probably more players than ever before are gonna have to gonna have played for two teams you know in the first two months of the season which does also feel a bit ridiculous but it has a feel of a kind of an american sport off-season where there is more flux with trades and stuff like that because a lot of these chances are trades and so you lose any kind of emotional attachment to them but that's why i quite liked how good innovation Concer seemed to get at Villa Park on Monday night because it was like, oh yeah, like, we do still care for these players.

9:01Teams do care for these players even when they go away. But yeah, it does, the window does feel a bit soulless. But that round of applause followed by some jeering did make me, you know, I did quite like it, yeah. I felt the Villa fans were great in this match as well. From start to finish, they were supporting their team and it was a much better performance from the first weekend, I think. It was, you know, Saka scores his goal. I thought he was going to chin one of his own supporters, but Villa were in, until that point, He's like that, isn't he? He does that, Saka. He does that, yeah. Yeah, you've got to keep an eye on him.

9:40That's his vibe. He looked very few. What a nasty man. A nasty, nasty man. Nasty. He, yeah, but up until that point, I thought Villa were, you know, pretty good for the point really. George Hemmings looked good. Probably needs a little bit of time to work on that final ball. I don't know. I mean, I guess final balls are kind of like, it's half your job though, isn't it? You know what I mean? You have the ball. You have to relinquish possession at some point, either into the net or to all your players. You can't just get a final ball coach. But his sort of decision making in the final third is a little bit difficult.

10:15But I thought he sort of started that match really well and I kind of want to see a little bit more from him this season. I do like the premise of relinquishing the ball into the net it is mine it is mine but I'll lend it to the net for a little bit yeah I think you're smart I thought he was he was very good he was very exciting I suppose ultimately with Villa what you've got here is a system that we know works that has you know lost so many high profile important players within that system that everyone coming in now whether it's Hemmings whether it's Nicholas Jackson even Ross Barkley to an extent because he wasn't regular last season they're basically trying to get up to speed so there's an element of like the system works the players aren't quite used to it and there is this transitional period which all Villa fans appreciate they're going through you know they're not necessarily happy about it because of this state of football is essentially governed that they operate this way but I think that's what the atmosphere you know was essentially underpinning the atmosphere last night.

11:20It was like, shit, it's not great, but let's get behind these guys because they are trying and there is promise there. Yeah, like Hemmings and also Nicholas Jackson felt like he got into good positions. Yeah. He looked very scratchy. He drifts a lot more wide than any of their other players in that position. I was like, oh, okay, nice. I think that's quite useful for Villa. Yeah, it was very useful. What wasn't useful was when he kept misplacing passes that were like five or six yards away. Get better at that for a start. Final ball coach. You need a final ball coach, guys. Yes. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, like, it was obviously much better than being 4-0 down and a man down at half-time against Brighton.

12:03Yeah. But otherwise it was, yeah. I'm keen to see how much business they do before the window shuts. But, I mean, yeah, it was as nourishing a performance from Villa as it can be when you lose one at home. And there's something to be said for that. That's absolutely fine. Suzuki made a great save from Havertz late on. It wouldn't count it because he was offside, but he also performed a very chilled-out header through a crowd of players at injury time. Like, just aura-farming. Just, oh, God, I'll deal with this, lad. bang like 30 yards out from his own goal it was really good stuff yeah he's gonna he might have to do a lot of that sort of stuff he will he strikes me as someone who's gonna be a lot of fun like he obviously doesn't get flustered on the ball um you know there was one cross he came for early in the first half that he missed but got away with um he's called zion he's called zion yeah exactly he gives a shit about the goal he's called zion suzuki did you see that did you see McGinn almost getting himself sent off quite late just taking out Marino potentially could have gone on another day everyone's talking about the Bruno challenge but I think McGinn on Marino was equally as juicy and full-blooded if you ask me yeah yeah it was McGinn is I wonder how much his role might change with with the players coming in because obviously he's got to be stationed on the right for the time being at least um and you know cash does offer that they're probably actually the right side is where they've had the least amount of change villa um you know with cash behind them as well so yeah it's i kind of want them to how you want them to have a good season and you want to be realistic and see like how many you know what can they get in in the window obviously they've got a lot of people well a few people that injured as well that will come back particularly an honor but yeah it was what what did you think of um Declan Rice being everywhere as well like he's such a big part of how they play when essentially when they don't have the ball in there people are countering counter-attacking them and it's such a not strange skill working hard isn't a strange skill maybe i like that just says a lot about me but it's there's so there's so much satisfaction he gains from from ruining football basically right yeah he did but you don't think like around about the 80th minute he does look exhausted and he has looked exhausted for the longest time and yet he still keeps on turning up to start every match in the premier league and beyond i do sort of think he he could could arteta just be a little bit more sensible with minutes because he just does put himself through hell, like you said.

14:57Well, to be fair, this is a season where they can be sensible with him because of all the options. I mean, like, they brought on Gimerajian Marino after 71 minutes, Zubamendi came on after 85. If needs must, Eze came on at half-time, could also play a bit more withdrawn role or at least get Odegaard playing in that withdrawn role. Not on that bench, is it? No, it's good. They basically bought on, you know, they don't have to worry about midfields at all. It's, as you were saying before, about, you know, more potency up front, more presence up front. Because, I mean, the lads made the point yesterday that they need to replace those Martinelli goals, and it kind of showed in this match a little bit.

15:36Martinelli, one of the few really pacey goal scorers they had in the side, and with a lockpicker like Bruno coming in the side, I just thought, well, that's going to be a lovely link-up, really. But, sadly, it's not going to happen. Yeah, that's not a bad shout, particularly with Bruno. I mean, I feel like Martinelli's striking ability abandoned him a little bit a few seasons ago. But the point, I suppose, of his pace as well, what was noticeable yesterday was when Villa were really going to Arsenal, whenever they counterattacked, they basically had to, you know, almost take the ball out wide and slow down the game further up top rather than stretch play, because they don't have anyone who's rapid, rapid.

16:21Certainly not when Saka's under lock and Kian, I'm sorry, Maduweke would be their fastest player right now then, wouldn't he? And, you know, he didn't get on the pitch. So I don't know what they do, because, I mean, I don't, who are they linked with at the moment that could potentially give them that? Because Alvarez is just someone who is a further forward option, isn't he? So that's their big one, Alvarez. they've been pursuing him all window but they're running out of time to actually submit an offer they need to do their business pretty soon because this show's going to be coming out in a couple of hours and they've only got another 12 to get it over the line I'd be really worried for Arsenal's admin if they were waiting for the show to come out and they're like, oh fucking hell we've wasted five hours waiting for the show you know what, if the Arsenal higher ups are listening maybe tell Ben White not to take 15 seconds to take a throw in because I thought the new rule was, you're not allowed to take a long time to do a throwing.

17:17But I know the ref was very relaxed all night. The Villa fans were great. The referee was great. Just really let the game flow. But I'm fairly certain we, I thought the rule was that you had to take so many seconds over a throwing and he definitely took longer than that. Yeah, I mean, he's quite casual Ben White, isn't he? If the rules change, there's no guarantee that Ben White would have come across them. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, he's only just got his head around the off sides, to be honest. Yeah, he still thought you could carry the ball in your hand from one village to another for a goal. Like, he's...

17:47Ben White's all over the place. He just doesn't know. He's really a cheese roll, that's his vibe.

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20:45Bruno coming on, he created quite a few little chances. He actually looked a little bit annoyed, I think, because he put three decent balls through and he had nothing to show for it. But he did that kind of slightly frustrating thing where he had the chance to take a shot and he's got a good shot on him, but he'd much rather win a penalty routine, really. And it was, yeah, it was an odd one, that one, wasn't it? Is he already being artetted? Is this what you're saying? Is he getting artetted? He's being artetted, guys. Don't shoot. Don't shoot. Don't pass. Win a penalty. Don't pass from distance, if you think.

21:19Play percentage football. Do you think he's someone who gives him a bit more mongrel as well? despite the fact that a lot of his best bits can be going forward. Yeah, he's an absolute Premier League shithead. He's absolutely cracking in that area. As I said, my frustration with him was always just Newcastle rely on the break and when he was playing deep, he would spend his time getting niggled and winning a foul rather than turning the ball over and getting the ball up the pitch. But for Arsenal, kind of how they play. So he's probably perfect to slot in and he's just got such a lovely... He's got a lovely final ball, Vish.

21:59He really has. And that's what 80-odd million gets you. A lovely final ball. Yeah, fair. And winning fouls. Because that's what it's all about now, isn't it? Exactly, it's all about winning fouls. You know, the percentage player. Yeah, but Aston Villa, as we said, they still haven't had a shot on target. So we're talking about Arsenal's profligacy up top. Aston Villa, they need to get themselves in gear, but hopefully once the transfer window is slumped shut. 11pm, as discussed, they might get their heads around the Premier League season. Yeah, I mean, to be fair, it's unfortunate, isn't it? Because, yeah, they were terrible in that opening game.

22:40But at least against Arsenal, you're like, yeah, it makes sense that we wouldn't necessarily get a sniff, particularly given they've lost Morgan Rodgers, they've lost Ollie Watkins. there's so much that they don't have in terms of the the players that made them an attacking force last year and i reckon you know i don't think this is being too kind to them but i think if you look at some of the positions they got in particularly on the break they just made a couple of really bad decisions and that would have i think you know matured into shots on target. So like, if it's just about understanding, then that'll come in, you know, certainly in September anyway, given the number of games they've got left in this month.

23:27So I'm not overly worried about that particular sap, particularly against this Arsenal side. Yeah. Did you see the Oli Watkins announcement video for Al Hilal? He's obviously going to be joining up with Gabriel Martinelli very soon. It was just basically, I don't know why you're saying it, but it's just basically just blocks hands with like iPhones with like, Oi Watkins, an England patch, and then him. It was just so cheap. Oh, the one that is like in front of screen? Yeah, just some iPhone screens. It was very, you've got AI guys. Like, you know, I don't usually kind of sanction use of AI, but I just felt like it could do a little bit of, could do with a bit of razzle-dazzle.

24:10Do you think Watkins was like, I thought there was a lot of money swishing around here. Why are we doing it so budget? And then the Al-Hilal social media guy was like, well, actually, it isn't budget because we're actually throwing all these iPhones away. These are disposable iPhones. Exactly, yeah. Quite right, quite right. As we said, the window closes tonight at 11pm. A lot of strange deals happening, if we can be honest, on deadline day. Enzo Fernandes could be on the move, man. City of Open talks with Chelsea as of last night, despite missing Chelsea's previous deadline. Man City have also a gazumped Spurs and completed a deal for Everton's Ileman and Dayi for£65 million after their£80 million move for Kordy Gakpour collapsed.

24:57That's an interesting one, isn't it? I suppose Kordy Gakpour going down. I mean, because he's been decent so far. Have Liverpool just sort of panicked and went, can we keep all of you, please? He seemed to be playing quite well for you. Yeah, I don't know what the trigger was there unless Man City didn't think it was worth it or there was a wage situation there. The Spurs-Illiman-NDI thing is interesting. I suppose I've mentioned it a bit before about trades, but Richarlison going in the other direction was essentially part of that deal, even though it wasn't officially involved in getting NDI to Spurs.

25:32And then Richarlison didn't want to go, so then that kiboshed that deal. And so the reason the Illiman-NDI deal works for Man City is because they're going to be giving Everton Jack Grealish. Certainly that's what's reported overnight. So it was like there were different make-weights in those deals that are actually a big factor, obviously, in those transfers going through. There's a lot of conspiracy theories about players who just move just to move money around the system. I mean, I don't think that's a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theory is like, I don't know, there's an island where rich people go and do unspeakable things you know yeah that's that's that's bollocks yeah yeah yeah but the yeah i mean it is absolutely true is it not like this is we're seeing it in real time they're being quite brazen about it yeah and i suppose maybe they have to be more upfront about it because of the the rules and regulations that are in place around that kind of stuff they have to show their workings yeah yes i guess so yeah you have to kind of have to keep the receipts.

26:38Did you see that Mahalo Mudrick is going to be joining up with Roberto De Zerbi at Spurs? He obviously worked with him, worked under him at Shakhtar Donetsk and he's going to, who's going to be picking up the shifts at the charity shop? Remember he was working at the charity shop not that long ago? Mudrick. I was worried where you were going with that, but yeah. I will talk about Meldonium in a minute. Shameful, shameful anti-community vibes from Spurs there that man had a job in his charity shop and now he's not going to be able to do that job because Spurs has picked him up yeah that is a disgrace do you think he's going to quit in a really showy fashion I don't need this shit anymore I don't need this shit anymore I've been banned from charity shops tell Mary Curie that I'm done fuck you Sue Ryder have one of them shelter this Out of all of the drug bans from football history, this one is my favourite one because meldonium.

27:41Are you familiar with meldonium? I know tennis players seem to get banned for stuff like that, but this is a drug invented in Latvia in the 1970s. Surely things have moved on. We can get some more futuristic drugs to be banned for. Not meldonium, for crying out loud. A heart medicine. How is that going to go, by the way? How is it going to go that a bloke who works in a charity shop, who hasn't played competitive football in two years... I mean, it's fascinating. This is the most... Of all the cold, not meaningless, but unemotional transfers in this window, that is comfortably the most interesting.

28:20I'm the most invested in that. Yeah, hugely. You know, where he's from, what he's had to do with the last couple of years and stuff, and to see what kind of state he's going to be in. But yeah, I mean, it's just annoying that he's gone to a bit of a basket case at a club, really. It feels a bit Richarlison-y, really. Kind of like he might not perform to... Well, he'll be playing with Richarlison because he's not moving to anything, isn't he? He'll be learning off him. He'll be feeding off him. Everton have now agreed to afford a million fee for following Balogun after they failed to reach an agreement on personal terms with Richarlison, which, as Luke pointed out on the show yesterday, I mean you really have to know your level if you turn that down I mean Balogun's a much better siding isn't it he's never gets suspended he's unsuspendable he's got diplomatic diplomatic immunity diplomatic immunity yeah he he's friends with Donald Trump always helps yeah always helps always helps yeah but yeah like he's a proper striker like Richarlison is that strange you know basically operates positionally in a bit of a no-man's land he's not quite a left-winger he's not quite a striker but he can if you want a formation graphic you can put him in one or two places and that's fine he'll do a job there yeah when the game gets going you know less certain and it feels like he's Balogun is more in tune with um you know the players they have as well in terms of the attacking wares that would require a front man who is just actually on the last line of defence rather than someone who's trying to drop back or anything like that.

30:04So, yeah, I'm excited to see him. I feel like it's been a long time coming for Balogun in the Premier League, having come through Arsenal and then a couple of loan deals away, moving away outright, and now coming back to... Essentially, we assume it's his final form. He's a Finnish article as it is now. So, yeah, be good to see. Yeah, definitely. And one for Marcus Beller, as we round off the All-Armble for Tuesday. Everton have reached a deal for another season long loan for Jack Grealish. Positive, broadly positive. It seems strange that a man who, you know, took 100 million off Man City has found himself in a situation where nobody seems to fancy him or no big club seems to fancy him.

30:50yeah I suppose with all that it's the stumbling block is the wages isn't it and yeah I hope it goes well I don't think it was particularly successful last year obviously he sort of started and I think we kind of got a bit excited I think whenever we because we want to see Jack do well but yeah his form sort of fell away I was kind of surprised that even Everton well maybe they've got him for a bit of a steal he fancies the project so it's a bit of a match made in heaven really come on Jack well I'm sure we'll be hearing Marcus's take on it tomorrow thank you very much for listening to the Football Ramble part of the Acast Creator Network Vish it's been emotional it's been real thank you for joining us this morning

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