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3:04Pete Donaldson: Back to life, back to reality, everybody. Welcome to the Football Ramble. Who's making moves in the Premier League? It's Thursday, 23rd of July. I'm Marcus Speller. I'm Pete Donaldson. I'm Jim Campbell. And I'm Artem Cleary. Oh!

3:28Pete Donaldson: Hello, everybody. It's Thursday. And what a sunny Thursday it is in the kingdom. Welcome. Welcome to our Ramble Summer Series. That's right. There's still a lot of the summer to go. Over the next few weeks, we're releasing some special episodes alongside your usual football Ramble fun. We've already released our Best of the World Cup, which you can enjoy below this episode in your podcast app. On top of that, Pete Donaldson has been to Blockbuster Video and rented some terrible films, I'm going to say, for us to watch for the return of Pete's Film Club. It's the silly season, people. Pete's Film Club is back for a three or four episode run that I am very excited about.

4:13Pete Donaldson: I rallied against this.

4:15Jim Campbell: We do this under duress. The tyranny of Pete's Film Club is back. Imagine Pete Donaldson choosing how you spend your leisure time It's like working with a lot of Michael Owens Who refuse to watch a FIFA sanctioned film about their history

4:31Pete Donaldson: Well, Pete's film cover will be back So get your ears around that lot when it comes out We're also going to be joined by some very special guests over the coming weeks And to kick things off We've got, dammit, one of the best minds in football So good in fact that one could, and I suggest should Call him a tactics guru He's from the North East as well It's Adam Cleary Adam Cleary on the pod Another man from the North East on the pod Pete Donaldson, what's going on here? Well look, we've had David Cartlidge on for a little while Finally some proper North East Newcastle meat I don't know if meat's the word I'd use there This is absolutely insane I feel like I'm getting an England cap here This is how David Nugent must have felt Yes indeed Well Adam of course You were very busy Like us during the World Cup In your little sweat box In my little sweat box Yeah you said you were going on holiday And this is where you've ended up Yes You've had a nightmare This is my break from work Yes indeed Well look I very much As I always do Enjoyed your tactical videos From the World Cup You'll be doing them Throughout the Premier League That's what you do This is what you do I can't wait I can't wait It's back in three weeks Yes That's fine That's okay Your cameras have just cooled down.

5:46And warm up again for the season.

5:49Pete Donaldson: What was your, if I may, what was being out on the ground in New York, prowling around New York like Gary Lineker or Gary Neville, what was a particularly favourite moment or something that you thought only in New York during the World Cup could this happen? I'd recorded, this is such a boring content answer, I'd recorded a video about the hydration breaks. Excellent. And I simply hadn't had time to edit it fully before I went out for a rare social outing. Went and saw the 442 boys. Lovely. And on the way back... When will they become the 433 boys? Natural evolution of the brand. I kept trying to push it in that direction.

6:29And on the way back, I was walking through Times Square, and I was half cut at this point. And I was like, this should be so much funnier, because it's all about adverts. If I filmed it with a load of adverts. So I had to do my pretend to be sober face to camera. I managed to remember it all and do it in one take. And then I was like, ah, it's fine. Doesn't need edited, put it out. And then the morning I woke up and it had like one and a half million views. And I was like, oh no, that's my drunk face. And all these Americans are like, is this guy all right? Is that how we talked all the time?

6:57Jim Campbell: So are you going to do more drunken videos then? Is that a takeaway? I'm hammered right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, drunk history was quite popular. So perhaps we should be doing shows drunk as well. Drunken master fighting style. Drunk football could work. I think it could. There's a new video game called Drunken FC, I think, which we should get involved in. So it looks like a lot of fun. Is that true? Is that true what you've just said? It's a video game where everyone's pissed. It's very hard to control your players and stuff. And it's kind of like... Remember the video game called Quap?

7:22No. Or Quaz or something. Where you'd have to like... Where you were the runner and you had to do the different limbs with the different keys. Is this pre or post FIFA 95? Post, I think? Yeah, post. It was an early web game. Must have just missed it then. But I... Why'd you bother sending a running order over? I really appreciated that, but I wasn't prepared for quap.

7:42Pete Donaldson: Quap. We're talking about quap today, boys. Oh, dearie me. Well, yeah, we look forward to playing quap together later or something like that. I don't know. Gentlemen, we have to start the pod properly. On a somber note, because the legendary England player and manager, Kevin Keegan, of course, passed away on Monday, age 75, after battling stage four cancer. And we knew that this was on the cards because Kevin Keegan, obviously, a number of months ago said that he had a very aggressive form of cancer. It was very sad at the time when he said that. And, of course, it's even sadder now that the great man has passed.

8:19And a man that, oh, my goodness, just the mark he made on English football throughout the years is just undeniable.

8:28Pete Donaldson: Just such a titan of the game and an amazing character and such charisma. He transcended football, certainly in his playing days when he was in the 70s and so on. But, oh, what a man. Yeah, I've just been enjoying all of the, in the worst possible way, the pieces that people have put together over the past couple of days on the telly and stuff. And, you know, just seeing the outpouring of love outside the Jersey Park and people, you know, laying flowers and stuff. he was the very definition of how you'd want your hero to act. Yes. And, you know, his last act in football was beating Mike Ashley legally and getting a load of money.

9:04So, you know, what a great way to end his time in football by beating a terrible man.

9:11Pete Donaldson: Indeed, indeed. I mean, that's it. He was a proper hero.

9:15Jim Campbell: Yeah, Jim. Like a cult hero and also just a straight up hero, I think, as well. I think a real football purist, but a real sort of, really a pure soul. We all know that about Kevin Keegan. He was really sort of honest to a fault, wasn't he? That was the thing people said about him a lot. And it was to the point where he was such a sort of gentle, almost a vuncular character as he got older. Our generation didn't really know quite what a significant player he was without having to be told about it. You know, someone like Graham Souness was a titan of the game because it sort of radiates off them.

9:49Jim Campbell: People talk about it all the time. Kevin Keegan, such a sort of gentle character. Like he's the only Englishman to win the Ballon d 'Or twice. You know, he was part of Liverpool's first European Cup winning team, captained England, achieved so, so much. And actually, he was, I think, the first player to negotiate release clauses in contracts and stuff like that. He did a lot of really, really interesting stuff that does get overshadowed by some of the silliest stuff that people talk about him, as he himself mentioned a lot. Business-wise, he was very on the ball. When he first signed for Newcastle as a player, he made so much money out of the shirt sales because he negotiated that himself.

10:24So he was almost embarrassed by it. He was a real kind of, he was a very modern footballer in the 1970s.

10:30Pete Donaldson: Yeah. And something you often said about it, Pete, was with a very modern physique. Yes, he was ripped. He was stacked, wasn't he? Yeah, it was incredible. But that was part of his kind of journey. It was like, I wasn't big enough to sort of deal with the ruffians of the football back in the day. And he just put himself on all the weights and just basically said, look, I'm a testament to hard work and grit and working things out that way. Well, his nickname was Mighty Mouse, wasn't it? Yeah. But yeah, I mean, Adam, you're obviously a Newcastle United fan. What do you mean to the people of Newcastle United and that football club?

11:00It's impossible to sort of overstate like how much Kevin Keegan defines your view of football when you're from that part of the world, especially if you grew up sort of when me and Pete did in the 90s where your formative years and that Newcastle side and sort of, you know, that two years where they effectively chased the title, obviously he came up with them and everything, so he was there a lot longer, but it just shaped so much about how you looked at football. I was looking through all the tributes yesterday and there's, I don't know if anyone's ever heard this before. There's a thing people in America say about the Empire State Building, which is if when you're on the street and you're at the bottom of the road, you look up and it just looks like all the other buildings.

11:34It's just another tall building. The further you get down the street and you look back, all of a sudden you see the perspective and you see how much bigger it is than everything else. And I think the reason Kevin Keegan has been like, he still gets talked about. defining part of the fabric of this podcast for the entire duration is because there's a romanticism to him and just the way he approached football that has been so rarely replicated since. Like you don't set teams up and you don't make the decisions. I mean, his decision to leave the England job because he just didn't feel like it was quite right.

12:07The romance was going out of it for him quite quickly and he just thought, well, there's no point in me being here if it's not going to go that way. He did the same with Newcastle. You don't set teams up and you don't have the career he had unless you are obsessed. You're like such an optimist about football. Yeah. Is the way I'd look at it. Like the guys won two Ballon d 'Ors, European Cup, first division titles and that's not what he's remembered for. No. At all. It's like, it's the more personal stuff. It's the more human stuff. And there's been so few people like Kevin Keegan since Kevin Keegan that the further away you get from his time either as a player or in management, the bigger he then looks.

12:41Pete Donaldson: I think that's a really nice way of putting it. I mean, when he did that interview with Dan Walker for the BBC, and he said, you know, Dan Walker was saying, these are your achievements. And he sort of laughed and he went, well, I'm remembered for, I will love it if we beat them, love it. I'll be remembered for falling off a bike, you know, and doing that program back in the day. Superstars. Superstars, yeah. And he went, by the way, he got back on and he went on to win it. Yeah. People forget that part. Actually, he won that competition. Yeah, it wasn't just that race, was it? It was the whole competition.

13:09Yeah, he won it. Yeah.

13:11Pete Donaldson: And that is Kevin Keegan in a nutshell, isn't it? Kevin Keegan and Ochoa. Totally, yeah. And the third thing... It was his hair, wasn't it? It was his hair, of course. But that's it though. I think with Keegan, what is... What is incredible when you see some of the footage back, you know, there's him on a plane being interviewed by somebody, and he's there with his shades on. Looking like an absolute don. Oh, mate, he looks like... He looks like the most sexy, charismatic man that's ever lived. Do you know what I mean? And this was before people would... The Dubai guys of today would be like, Look at that guy!

13:40Pete Donaldson: Yeah, totally, yeah. Yeah. This is before people, as a mate of mine said, nobody was good looking before 1990. Right? Except Kevin Keegan. And George Michael. There's a few exceptions, but Keegan was definitely that, but he just, he oozed charisma. He did. And Old Spice. Definitely. But that's the thing. I think the human side of Keegan is that's what we know him for. And obviously we have, you know, enjoyed some of the stories about Keegan because he was always very unlucky and so on. But that was never his fault.

14:11Jim Campbell: And it always stood out because he seemed like such a pure person and like the last person that these things should happen to him. Totally.

14:17Pete Donaldson: And it just seemed unfair. I mean, I had the great pleasure of meeting the great man on the eve of the 2018 World Cup. We went up to Stoke City's ground actually and did did a live stream and it was inexplicably myself a journalist called Dean Jones Dion Dublin and Kevin Keegan with the four guests nightmare blunt rotation

14:40Jim Campbell: but genuinely

14:42Pete Donaldson: four strikers who know where the goal was of course of course of course Dublin would have to play at the back there but but after the recording Sam Matterface was the presenter after the recording you had a lot of people in the room who were kind of 20s and 30s and quite obviously they shunned him they didn't have a clue who I was no but quite obviously afterwards they just flocked to Kevin Keegan and it was so heart do you know what I mean like the fact is that this guy who some of them may have remembered him as a manager others perhaps not it's Kevin Keegan as you say he stood out for who he is and what he was about and I think that he was loved throughout the generations because of that sort of personal side of things and again like even having just met him when he talked and so on that human side there was no arrogance on him do you know what I mean it was as I said just a real pleasure to have met him and yeah all that stuff he did in the game is kind of overlooked incredibly because of what a player he was I think he had

15:42Jim Campbell: very very humble beginnings didn't he which I think probably informed his character and we saw that play out throughout his career and I think I could be so bold as to speak for the southern 90s contingent around this table and say that his Newcastle team the one that eventually did end up finishing second I don't think there has ever been a team in English football that were truly everyone else's second team in the way that that team was everyone laughed at them because the lead collapsed that's just the nature of being British really but yeah absolutely but everybody was so behind them everybody wanted them to win that league because it really came out of nowhere the way they played the game was so so good I mean when Keegan took over at Newcastle they were in the second division and he hadn't been watching football for a couple of years and he still managed to achieve everything he achieved with them.

16:31Jim Campbell: And they were so much fun. They were absolutely box office. It was when you had to like really make the effort to see a game if you didn't have Sky. And Newcastle were the team everybody wanted to see and that was because of him. He managed to convince Robert Lee to come to Newcastle because he said that Newcastle was closer to London than Manchester. Now Middlesbrough. Say again. It was Middlesbrough. It was Middlesbrough, was it? Yeah. He's always defended by saying when you factor in the travel time in the transport links, I was sort of right. Yeah, I guess so. LNER is not going up to Middlesbrough,

17:04Pete Donaldson: or GNER as it was back then. I can't forget which used to service Middlesbrough, to be honest. They used to go Middlesbrough to London. Well, Newcastle was straight down with a few stops. You could get to Middlesbrough straight up as well. I'm Team Keegan in that debate. There was something really mad about his second Newcastle stint as well, because he sort of came in, and despite being such a romanticist, he was really upfront with like, well, we're not going to be challenging for the league. That's literally impossible with what we're doing. And then he just went and bought like fun play. He bought Coluccini.

17:31He bought Gutierrez in and then he got Danny Guthrie in. And I remember sitting at the time and we were like proper gaslighting ourselves. And like, oh my God, he's rebuilding that 90s team. Because Gutierrez is a left winger with long hair. Like quite attractive. Coluccini's just like continental strides out with the ball, center back. Danny Guthrie's like no nonsense, ball playing center midfielder. He's gone and bought Ginola, Philip, Albert and Robley. he's putting the side back together with modern equivalents and he wasn't obviously but I think almost everybody he brought in like really brought in I think more importantly I think everybody he brought in brought into the club really well like it was a really it wasn't a successful team by any stretch of the imagination and they were relegated I think the next season but like the buy-in a lot of those players had they seemed to get the club instantly and I always thought that was almost certainly down to the fact that Keegans brought them in and those footballers are so young and they wouldn't remember If we can barely remember his playing career, they certainly wouldn't, but they might remember playing tennis.

18:27But they know his reputation and they know all that.

18:28Pete Donaldson: I mean, I remember when it happened because the Ramble was in its infancy at the time. And Jim, you emailed us all what we were going to talk about. And the subject matter was, yes! Because we were just so happy to have him back.

18:43Jim Campbell: It was one of those days where just everyone stops what they're doing.

18:46Pete Donaldson: But he was such an old school manager in that, with Newcastle United, on the verge of winning the Premier League. and then just a few seasons later, he's down in the lower leagues with Fulham, like getting them through the divisions. You know, it's mad. And I think with Keegan as a manager, had he have come along a little bit earlier, then I think he probably would have won the Premier League because you could just win the Premier League back in the day on vibes, if you see what I mean, you know, just tactical approach. I mean, Kenny Dalgleish's Blackburn Rovers, one of his tactical suggestions to, you know, who were the wingers, Ripley and Wilcox.

19:16Pete Donaldson: And I think... Great pull, great pull that. Well done. Yeah, sorry. Well done. And he was saying, because obviously Alan Shearer and Chris Sutton were the strikers, and what would they do? Bomb down the wings and just cross it in for them to head it into the goal, which proved to be very effective. It's a simple game. It's a very simple game. And he was talking to one of the wingers apparently, maybe it was Wilcox or whoever, or Ripley, and he said, people are beginning to figure us out. And so maybe we should mix it up. And it was like, well, what should I do? And maybe you could cut inside. you know like that's what you're kind of talking about back in those days and they won the league and i think with keegan again it was only the canniness of ferguson and canton are coming back and so on you know but anyway um yeah just i mean look i'll read out a statement from newcastle united and they said kevin's impact will not be measured by appearances or results it will live on in the memories he created with club and country the dreams he inspired wherever he went and the generations of supporters around the world who fell in love with football because of him and i I think that's a lovely statement they put out there.

20:19Pete Donaldson: And I think, you know what? We mentioned him earlier, David Cartlidge, a Sunderland fan, but a man of the North East and a man of the football. I'd like to play this because David wanted to leave his own tribute for Kevin Keegan. Hello, David Cartlidge here. I just wanted to drop in with a little Kevin Keegan memory of mine. Core memory, I think, from growing up watching football. he actually opened up Newcastle's training centre back in the day, Maiden Castle in County Durham for the public and if you're in the area, young, old, whoever you may be, wherever team you supported you could just come and watch Newcastle train, see them up close, see what they do you've got access to the players as well, you know, Ferdinand, Ginola, this was heyday the entertainers Newcastle and Keegan made sure that everyone, especially fans, had access to those players and what goes on.

21:15He believed massively in keeping football with the people where it should be and I think that's testament to the man and he's done many, many great things, he really has, but for me personally, I know a lot of people who's around my age, Brackett growing up in the North East, being able to watch Premier League footballers like that, no restrictions or any of that, was an unbelievable experience. And it just goes to show he's not only an ambassador for the North East, but he's an ambassador for people as well. And rest in peace, Super Kev.

21:51Pete Donaldson: Yet another lovely anecdote and story about the great man himself. That's lovely, obviously. And that comes from a man who's denied sugar puffs for a decade. because remember there was a big Sunderland opt out of the Sugar Puff universe the boycott of the Sugar Puffs and he's never had a Sugar Puff to have a cartilage and he still loves Kevin King the last trophy Newcastle won Honey Monster at the back post until Dan Byrne did it I'd love that kit

22:15Jim Campbell: that's great lineage that isn't it

22:17Pete Donaldson: the Honey Monster to Dan Byrne that's excellent similar vibes lovely alright gentlemen let's go for a break

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25:31Pete Donaldson: It's the run and does. Can he play a colleague through? It's Jacob Murphy released. Murphy 101. Jacob Murphy to win it. Oh, just put it in the net. Welcome back to the Football Ramble, everybody. Why have you done that? What's that about? Nothing. What's wrong with that? We're back to club football. No more of this. Okay. Good. Oh, yeah. It's back, isn't it? It's back. Big, hairy club football standing in the bushes outside the World Cup. Have you missed me? No.

26:04Jim Campbell: It does feel like it's months away, doesn't it? Even though we all know it isn't. Because it's weeks away.

26:08Pete Donaldson: Put it in my brain, man. Well They're playing the preliminaries And the Champions Hartles got gubbed 4-0 Off Sturm Graz Last night Welcome back Everybody At least that feels Like a proper European Picture that you might see In a group stage somewhere And you thought you were Gutted about Argentina I got a text The other day From a friend going Do you see Wrexham beat Man United I was like No In what What are you on about He's like Pre-season friendly Wrexham just beat Man United I was like Awful But like what In football I couldn't even bring myself To try and find the Dalla Newcastle highlights.

26:41Yeah.

26:41Pete Donaldson: The only sport I've seen since the World Cup was, I caught the end of the 100 at the Oval the other night. Right. That's it. That is it. But anyway, we do love the Premier League. And the Premier League, I think, still loves us. And there's been lots of cash been thrown around, of course, because that's what the Premier League does. Chelsea beat Arsenal to sign Aston Villa's Morgan Rodgers in a£117 million deal. Wow. that set the record for the highest transfer fee for an English player. Yes, Man City thought they had it for any answer. Was that on purpose? It has to have been. Was that on purpose?

27:15Pete Donaldson: It's got to be, hasn't it? It's got to be. I feel that way. But you're still a million pounds.

27:19Jim Campbell: Exactly, yeah.

27:19Pete Donaldson: What about decimals? Yeah, yeah.

27:21Jim Campbell: Just do 17.1.

27:23Pete Donaldson: No, you can't have decimal because people go, oh, it's a prox or it's estimated. No, no, no. You need to round it up. Oi, it's what Ken Bates would want, Jim. Well, I won't deny that. Yeah. Jim are you sad that Morgan Rogers won't be going to Arsenal

27:38Jim Campbell: I've got mixed feelings about it because he was they were offered the chance to match it and we're like no thank you for£117 million and I don't think fair yeah I think so I don't think I think you have to look at the weird sort of supercar boot sale that Chelsea are in terms of because initially it's like how have they spent that but they've already in a supercar that's where the engine is you'd have to put it alright well then a car bonnet a super car bonnet sale As always, I think it's always best when we don't talk about cars on the show. Yeah, fair enough. But they've basically, in the sales of Tyric George, Mark Kukureya and Andre Santos, they've already made that money.

28:16Jim Campbell: So the way they do business is so unique that you can't really compare the way Arsenal do business to it. Legally unique. Yeah, legally unique. Judge, we're legally unique. Yes. And very creative. we did this deal

28:32Pete Donaldson: at Speaker's Corner

28:35Jim Campbell: but I don't basically I don't think Arsenal can spend that amount of money on one player in this window without having to possibly sacrifice making a signing elsewhere and I do think the situation with William Saliba potentially missing like four or five months has spooked them into thinking they need to buy a centre back so I support not signing Morgan Rodgers for that much money however I do really really like Morgan Rodgers as a player and I think it signals an intent from Arsenal to be a bit more creative in open play so I'm sad that I won't get to see that but that's how it goes Fair play on not just playing that I didn't want him anyway card which everybody seems to do around the same Well I mean

29:14Pete Donaldson: so we've heard the Arsenal side of things Jim but Chelsea are the team that have got him and Xabi Alonso see this Adam struck me as Xabi Alonso thinking I need a Florian Wurtz type player in my system Well I think everybody sort of like that I'm the only one that's thought that. Sorry, all the nerds in my WhatsApp group all seem to think this. The normal people, yes, fair enough. His Leverkusen side was obviously great and people sort of, people romanticize how good Alonso's Leverkusen side was in the same way they would romanticize Ruben Amorim's sporting team if he hadn't then gone to the Premier League and tried to do the exact same thing in this division with expectations of having possession and being a top team.

29:56It doesn't quite work as well as that. And the same way he went to Madrid, that this 3-4-2-1 he does that Virch was brilliant in, Grimaldo, the Frimpong, everybody in it, Xhaka looked amazing because of the difference in sort of the quality between the division he was in and what Leverkusen expected of. Now, I think you will see that system. 3-4-1-2. I think you will see him use it in certain games, but if you watched him at Real Madrid, there was also like a realism from him that that's just not how real top teams play who are expected to dominate the ball control games of football, especially at home.

30:30So you're going to see a lot of flexibility. And I think that's part of the reason you go and get Rogers because he will play in that sort of inside number 10 position. He's brilliant there. It's one of his strongest positions. But he can also do loads of other things. And he can do loads of other things out of position as well. Like I've seen so many people use the term, he's a game breaker, which just means he shoots. Like it means he's good on the dribble. So he'll do something unpredictable and he will just look up at 35 yards and go, oh, do you know, I can't be arsed with this. And he will put it at least.

30:56He's going to drop it. It's exactly like he's just he's he's he's fun. He's really, really fun. Morgan Rogers. And I don't know if he's 117 million pounds worth of fun. Are you surprised he's gone to Chelsea though? No, nothing surprises me. Right. I'm simply too jaded with everything. Anything surprises me. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. I was, I was surprised that it dragged on that long because it really did feel for ages like Austin just got it done. And it was just a case of rubber stamping it. So I'm surprised that it took another twist. but not that that twist involved somebody paying more money.

31:28Jim Campbell: Yes, I think that's been the lesson for Arsenal in the last few weeks that there's been an inflation bump generally in the window and everyone is paying a bit more for everyone than they want to. I think it's probably the edit Anderson.

31:41Pete Donaldson: But you shouldn't buy Andy Burnham for that.

31:43Jim Campbell: No, no. He would restrict everything to£2, like the buses. He should nationalise Morgan Rodgers. Cap central midfielders at£50 million.

31:52Pete Donaldson: £117 million. But it is like a complete footballer, which you'd argue Morgan Rogers is. His decision making, you know, sometimes is a bit... Usually when he's tired, because he gets overplayed too much. And that's 70 million, isn't it? And then another 30 million for... Is that how it works? Yeah. Another 30 million for... This is you being a football agent. Another 30 million for being 23. His decision making, 70 million. Another 70 million. He's shooting, 30 million. Yeah. Is... Sure you're working out. Professionalism. He's only just found out Middlesbrough's closer to London than Newcastle is.

32:19Exactly. But I just love his little... The favourite part of Morgan Rodgers, for me, is just that little step over he does to confuse the defender every time. And they've still not figured him out. It worked for Stanley Matthews. It's a good point, actually. It's a good point. But like Adam was saying, he manages to sort of take players on all around the pitch. It's not just about where he plays. He's just really comfortable. Very two-footed. Our two-footed players are getting more rare. We seem to be talking about it a lot more. I think the beauty of him is he's very hard. I mean, the Premier League is like, we've all enjoyed the World Cup because the nature of international football is there was a lot less training, a lot less preparation.

32:58The plans are less elaborate. The defensive structures are less all-encompassing. It's a little bit more free. And especially with the heat there's been as well, like teams can't just like rely on pressing constantly. So people are sort of scratching their heads at why like Kane and Mbappe and Messi and Dembele and Haaland, all these massive stars had great World Cups. Yeah, because there's a little bit more freedom to football at international level.

33:19Pete Donaldson: But especially compared to the early part of the 21st century, where the World Cup was a bit more stodgy. Yeah. I think it's almost like, I think in the last handful of World Cups, people have gone, should we just turn up and have a good laugh? Yeah. You know, that's how it kind of feels. Whereas you're saying that back in the grind of the Premier League, we're not going to... This isn't the point about how everything is bad in the future and good in the past. This is actually about Morgan Rodgers. What are you doing here then? No, okay, I'll tell you your point about Morgan Rodgers. And also...

33:45I didn't get to the point yet. I was just talking about the past. Forgive me. The point was he's very hard to prepare for. Yes. Because he will do things outside of structures and he will do things outside of preparation. And so all of a sudden, if you've got this just week-long plan for, we'll defend this zone here and this play goes with that play, he's liable to do things that are not in the manifesto. Yes. Like on the way in. So he makes football a little bit more fun, Morgan Rodgers. He's always looking around. Always like sort of Pierre or Raquel Miss. The first yard, just always in his head.

34:14He just always knows what he's going to do.

34:16Pete Donaldson: That's actually a better way of explaining it. He'll also team up with Cole Palmer.

34:20Jim Campbell: Yeah, I was going to say, actually, because they are similarly kind of maverick players in that regard. Do you think that... Shoulder and upper arm rubbing buddies. Yeah, of course, they're going to do the celebration together. Which actually, Rodgers started it, did he not? Says Rodgers. They can have this argument in some content, I'm sure. I'm sure he'd be pleased to see Enzo Fernandes again.

34:41Pete Donaldson: Speaking of Argentinians, on that left side, they tried Alejandro Ganacho. Yes. I thought Aston Villa were going in for about 43 months. Is nobody going to learn from this? No. The thing about Villa is last time they got this amount of money in, they got Buendia and Bailey in, and they're hardly leading lights. I don't know.

34:59Jim Campbell: I think Buendia's been a success for them. Bailey's been a funny one and gone away and come back again. The real issue there is you mentioning Morgan Rogers is going to be excited to see Enzo Fernandez, and he's obviously very good friends with Cole Palmer. So there's going to be a moment where he goes up to Palmer, and he's like, I'm just not sure I can play with him, you know, after what he did and Cole Palmer's going to go, what are you doing? What are we talking about? Why are you tired? Why are you World Cup? Where have you been? That was a club World Cup. I've been making me ice. Remember his ice?

35:29Yeah, his high-end ice. Remember his ice that he launched 10 days ago. Long time. Long time in football. That is a long time in ice, to be fair. We were just talking about Balogun's kind of revival. It seemed like a long time ago. It was about 10 years ago. Have you basically just gone, speaking of ice, remember that thing Donald Trump did? Yes. Exactly. That's what he's done.

35:52Pete Donaldson: Villa have signed, of course, Jürgen Manzambi. Yeah, that's a great signing. Have they? Missed that. Yeah, I totally understand why one would do it. None of my business.

36:02Jim Campbell: I'm still pleased in this day and age, as a player that I don't really know much about, who's caught the eye at the World Cup and got a big move. That feels very nice to me. See, there is still some romance in football. Yeah.

36:11Pete Donaldson: Have Wrexham signed Vazinha yet? Because that was the one, wasn't it? Was that the one, right? Oh, bloody hell. Well, of course, Morgan Rodgers'£170 million deal eclipsed Elliot Anderson's signing for Man City. I'd love to have seen the text he sent Anderson the day it went through. I bet it's a meme. I bet it's not even a picture of himself. I bet it's just like a... It takes the pressure off Anderson, doesn't it?

36:34Jim Campbell: The million dollar man. Yes, exactly. Is someone going to go for£118 million? Yeah. That's the theme of the window.

36:40Pete Donaldson: The window is still open. Jim the window is still open but Anderson yes going to Manchester City we expected him to leave Nottingham Forest because he's a very good player did Newcastle United get any of that money Peter? Oh I think isn't there Adam because Middlesbrough might get some I thought we might yes Middlesbrough is for 20 % I'm fairly certain there's a little bit isn't there or am I being silly? No I'm look again I could be proved very wrong by this but my understanding of the narrative was that we were in such a panicked rush to avoid the PSR deadline that we did not do a single piece of negotiating.

37:13We just basically picked up the phone and were like, anybody like Elliot Anderson? Anybody want Minter? Anybody like Elliot Anderson? Who wants to get Minter? I don't think we did a single bit of negotiating such as the perilous nature of the situation. And thus, again, and look, if I'm wrong about this, I'll be delighted. If someone wants to be like, oh, actually, it's been reported as... You got one million. That's that one million. You got one million pounds.

37:35Pete Donaldson: A whole million. That's a hell of a night out, though, that they got for that money. well Anderson yeah that's a lot of Cole Palmer ice we could buy with that there's 10 Carabao Cup wins prize money it is I was about to say but they reduced it from 150 grand prize money to 100 grand if you win the Carabao Cup you get 100 ,000 pounds oh that's even better then because you simply have to win it for the love of the game of course great it's the purest competition in the world yes which is why it has a sponsor and a two-legged semi-finals because everyone just wants a little bit more of it indeed but Manchin Manchester City, obviously under Enzo Maresca now, signing Elliot Anderson.

38:14Pete Donaldson: Are you worried, Jim, that Arsenal may not retain their Premier League title due to Anderson going to Manchester City?

38:21Jim Campbell: That's not the only reason I'm worried about that. Of course, you have to sort of... I mean, Arsenal have not retained a league in a long, long time and it's famously difficult to do. But I think... Well, they've won a league for a long, long time. Exactly. City certainly look like they're not messing around and ready to sort of remodel as Maresca wants very, very quickly. And this signing is a massive statement of intent now. I mean, Rodri and Anderson in the same midfield. Rodri being like properly back is disgusting, isn't it?

38:50Pete Donaldson: You say they're not messing around. Okay, I appreciate that you're saying that in the context of this signing alone. You know, they've basically gone, he's the player we want. How much money do you want? There you go. But they've not signed much else. I mean, Jeremy Monger from Leicester City for 10 million. Pierce Charles from Sheffield Wednesday for three million. But they don't need a big overhaul, do they?

39:09Jim Campbell: No. What they need is upgrades. I think they are quietly having one, though, because if you sort of look at the profile of the players that they're moving on and bringing in, I think they've got something like four, maybe three first-team players over the age of 27 now. Right. So they've moved on a lot of the... I mean, top of my head. Akanji, Ake, Bernardo Silva, obviously. Yeah, so they've all got... John Stones, of course. John Stones is leaving. Diaz is one of them. I think Grealish is technically one of them. Like, the available first team players. Calvin Phillips, is he still there?

39:39Pete Donaldson: No, but Grealish spoke, didn't he? Obviously he went along to Everton. But the way he spoke was, he was like, yeah, this will lead to me leaving the club. I would simply love to see what Jack Grealish looks like in an Enzo Maresco Manchester City system. But again, that is because I'm in very different WhatsApp groups to the three of you. Again, you expect he'll move on. That's another one gone. Diaz didn't play massively regularly last season or the part of that was due to injury. So they are, I think they're very quietly, certainly if you factor in sort of maybe the last two transfer windows as well, the overhaul they've had in terms of changing, like even just the age profile of the squad is quite significant, I think.

40:18Jim Campbell: Yeah, that's kind of what I mean though. They've sort of done a lot of that already over those two windows. So now for Maresca, it's not going to be like Liverpool's transfer window from last season, for example, you wouldn't think. Yeah, nothing's going to be that funny. They've got a new Rodri. Rodri's back there you go there you go finally to letting us all down who predicted Man City to win last year

40:36Pete Donaldson: well not all of us predicted that but yeah Rodri World Cup winner I mean at some point he will retire and I'll go right okay what are you going to do now because he's such a monster in that midfield although I mean again last season they weren't great by their own standards obviously they pushed Arsenal most of the way but I am intrigued to see what Enzo Marescu is going to do because I think of all the people like he was the only one for my money that could have gone in after Pep Guardiola Manchester's number one Pep Guardiola cosplayer yeah it was a very natural fit do you know what I mean sometimes right down to the bald head I think what a lot of people are starting to see with a lot of these appointments is like obviously Oneslott won the Premier League but like it was still a bit weird and I think a lot of Liverpool fans thought the level of manager he was coming from Feyenoord was a bit of an odd fit Emery at Arsenal obviously after Wenger there's almost there's almost an accepted position of you need you ever made pancakes?

41:31Oh, so many times. You know, that first pancake you do is absolute garbage. But you just get it in the pan anyway because you've got to make sure you're up to temperature. There's a lot of first pancaking with these big managers coming in after. Are you worried then for Maresca? Did they need a first pancake manager? Well, you simply don't know. But I think there's a bit of acceptance from these clubs that we have to sort of protect ourselves. And I think that goes to the idea of they're not going to go and buy anybody who is, you know, a pure Maresca player, someone who he desperately wants. Elliot Anderson's a great investment because if someone comes in in six months' time because Maresca's a disaster, there's a million and one things they can do with someone like Elliot Anderson.

42:09So they're not backing themselves into a corner. I think Maresca's, I think he seems like such a natural fit, but a lot of the times when you have these big replacements, it's actually a change you need, not really continuity. So you almost need somebody to come in and just drag it out, get the misery out of the way, They see who really wants to be there. What's Mark Hughes doing with himself? What is Mark Hughes doing with himself? It could have been.

42:31Pete Donaldson: You need to have a Maresca before you can have your Hughes. Can you imagine that, though? If they've got Mark Hughes in, what are you doing? Wow, we're just... Bicylication training. Have you ever made pancakes? Have you ever made pancakes? I'm just thinking, if I'd said that, and you'd all said no, where would I have gone? Famously, the first one is troublesome. I think, though, if the owners said that, I think people would go, I do see what you mean. We need this to go a bit crap. And then Maresca comes in and goes, don't worry, chaps, I'm here to save the day.

43:01Jim Campbell: I suppose because Maresca's been there before, the thinking is probably, they'll be very aware of the difficulty of these sort of post-legacy appointments. Say it, he knows the club. He knows the club, of course. But actually, Man City are very good at continuity, aren't they? With players, they've done it before. Now, Rodri replaced Fernandinho in all intents and purposes, but was there at the same time as him. There was a sense of kind of hand over there. And they are really good at identifying talent as well. Specifically from Benfica, they've done it quite a few times. I'm always impressed with how if Man City sign a player from a league outside the top five leagues, they quite often are a success.

43:47Jim Campbell: And they're very good at this type of talent ID. and I expect that they will have done their homework in a way with Maresca that will mean it actually does work. I don't know if they'll win the league, but I don't think it's going to be a disaster. It's hard to call anyone for the league at the moment, isn't it? Well, the window's still open. But yeah, I have a sense that it will be a very different type of Man City. They're talking about how they want to kind of keep Pep Guardiola's style of play, which I think is probably quite unlikely under anybody, let alone Maresca, because we've not really seen much to suggest he would do that from his Chelsea days.

44:19Jim Campbell: is maybe Leicester, but again, it's a very different type of situation. I suspect this will actually be fine. Yeah, I do as well.

44:27Pete Donaldson: I am intrigued though. I mean, if Jack Grealish, we think he's going to go to Everton, that's the chance, as in make it a permanent move. It's a good fit, isn't it, with Jack Grealish at Everton, particularly as he might have the Prime Minister. Yes. Watching him a bit more as well. Will he know that? Yeah. There is a chance he doesn't, but let's hope he's been... Jack, that's the Prime Minister. It's not Tony Blair. Did you see... Former Evertonian, Peter Reid was spotted at Andy Burnham's unbeadling. Great stuff. Looking like a million... He's an underrated snazzy dresser. A million? What currency?

45:03Quid. Lovely quid. He's really turned that around. I've met Peter... Was it in a hotel bar? Terrible thing to say. I've met Peter Reid once, and when I met him he had beans all slopped down the fence. And I was like, oh my god, that's Peter Reid. And I was like Shit I was like What's he got And I was like That's baked beans

45:19Pete Donaldson: That surely was at a hotel bar He's had an all day fryer It was at an awards do And he's had an all day fryer I have to stress I have to stress At no point in these awards Will we serve baked beans No So I don't know how we managed to do it But every time Ever since then People are saying He's really I want to know who's dressing him Right I think he's gone and got somebody To start advising him on this Because like Because remember when he was talking about You're talking about With beans all over his top Remember he was Was it the Rocky Roar Castle documentary or something where he's talking about eating a big eating a big prawn I can't remember who played it was a player how big he was sort of going he was saying what's one of them and he said it's a prawn a king prawn and he ate the prawn and he'd never had a prawn before and basically it was a documentary a sad documentary about I can't remember I can't remember which football it was it was either about like depression like long term depression it was either about you know cancer a person who died from cancer but it was all a very emotional kind of documentary.

46:18Then he turns up going, I'd never eaten a prawn before. He gave me a prawn. Can I ask a quick question there? When you were gesturing for him eating a prawn, why did you use two hands? Because that's how big the prawn was. It was a big king prawn, sat in his seat. Does he play the mouth organ a lot? Because that seems to be what it was. Well, you get the big old boys, don't you, sometimes? The big old boys. I need to know what Peter Reed's getting his prawns because I've never had a two-hander in my life. And his beans. And his beans. to get in all of his food.

46:45Pete Donaldson: You've got to remember though that as Peter Reader's the song says he has a tyre for a seat. It must be quite, that's why he would spill beans down. Prawn for his meat, tyre for his feet. It all rhymes. It all makes sense in the end you see. We got there. Jim, if we may turn our attention back to Arsenal. They've opened talks with Newcastle United to sign Bruno Guimaraes. I'm flanked by Newcastle fans here.

47:08Jim Campbell: Well, as Newcastle

47:09Pete Donaldson: apparently are shite at negotiations, you should have that wrapped up by the end of the day for about 20 million quid.

47:14Jim Campbell: Well, I mean, I think every other day for about two weeks, Arsenal have reportedly opened talks for Newcastle with a sign of Bruno Gimourais. So I'm not sure what's actually happening there. That's Bruno's people, aren't you? So, I mean, I think Arsenal need to probably, as mentioned earlier, pay a bit more than they want to to get this one done. And again, it's a player who I think will make Arsenal better in open play. Makes a lot of sense. I would love to see it. Winns of a free kick. Sorry for you guys.

47:40Pete Donaldson: Well, where do Arsenal... There is a chat there. Arsenal should be on the league. they did it playing a certain style which people were critical of but it was obviously effective because they won the league it was if I'm going to be maybe slightly harsh to Arsenal or whatever they did it at a time when Liverpool were poor, obviously Chelsea were absolutely nowhere Man City didn't have a particularly great season, even though they pushed I say great season, they still won two trophies so into this season, if you look around there's new managers, there's a bit of uncertainty. Arsenal seem to be the only side who are quite certain.

48:19Pete Donaldson: How do you think Arteta approaches this? Does he say, right, more of the same lads? Or does he try to be a little bit different?

48:25Jim Campbell: I think you sort of augment and expand is how I would put it. I think you'd have to have a very short memory, even as an Arsenal fan, and I suppose your memory might have been damaged by the celebrations, but to look at that team and not think there is room for improvement. Even though they won the league and got very far in the Champions League, goals from open play are something where you can identify that very clearly and go, okay, we need to be better at that. And obviously you want to keep the set piece stuff. I think that the rules around set pieces will change slightly this year, so everyone will have to react to that.

49:00Jim Campbell: And I do think they just certainly need to be a bit more creative. They also need to find a way to not rely on certain players so much. Declan Rice played more outfield minutes than Chelsea did last season, which is insane when you put it like that. And they have to... Hang on, what? Was that every player combined? I was going to say there's like 40 players at Chelsea. No, as in Chelsea as a team, they didn't play as many minutes as Declan Rice did. It'd feel like it at times with old Rice. I hope he's just lying down in a dark room somewhere. I hope he is too. But I thought that about Gabriel, and he went back to his hometown and played in an exhibition match.

49:38Jim Campbell: you just simply cannot get these motherfuckers to sit there. Absolutely loves it. Just loves it. Rest. But yeah, I think the next obvious thing is to find really high quality players where you rotate more. And so, because if you keep asking that of Declan Rice, he'll be done by 30. And it's the same with a couple of other players. You know, it's for your own good. You need players of this quality to come in. And I think Gimmaras, while he's not an exact kind of, you know, like for like player when compared to Declan Rice, we need someone like that to come in and essentially take the spot in the squad that Christian Norgard has where he barely plays

50:14Pete Donaldson: Peter despite Bruno Gimera's talent and record in Newcastle United presumably you'll be pleased to see the back of him never said that I just said I thought that Eddie Howe and Newcastle United were going in a certain direction yeah and it's telling that at that point no big sides had come in for Bruno because you know everyone was talking about Real Madrid and Barcelona and all those teams I think the way that Eddie Howe is playing a bit more transitional a bit quicker he kind of slows things down he buys fouls that he sometimes doesn't necessarily need to and I'm going to enjoy the exposure that he gets at Arsenal Is that right?

50:48You're doubling down on this I fully expect Arsenal fan TV to really have a go I mean They're probably

50:53Jim Campbell: Really sticking your neck out there They're probably I mean they're relying on Newcastle probably having to do business sooner rather than later because as we saw last season they were pretty atrocious that sort of behaviour No one's coming in. It seems no one's interested in joining Ucasa United and joining that project at this moment in time. Once again. Once again, so, yeah, we're going to be hanging on Anthony Alanga coming back from the World Cup in great stead. Last time I saw Adam, me and Adam were at the PSG match together and we were about to get in a fight about a man who was defending Alanga Man.

51:26A man tried to punch me in the willy. He was stood like it's like terrorist but it's standing. No, because he was on the step in front of me and just a natural jab was like... Yeah, Willie High. A one inch punch. He really did think about it. Yeah. What, because you slagged off Anthony Alanga? I just sometimes say stuff that I don't mean and the people around me are like, that's fine. He probably doesn't mean that. But then some bloke who's been on the tinnies in Paris all afternoon, was like, you cannot say that! His mate had to like drag him over. I'll not repeat, but it was to be fair to kind of think you probably shouldn't say aloud.

52:01But again, as a big-time Anthony Lange defender in real life, when I'm at my job, I felt I can say what I want. Go, fine. In the privacy of my own park de France. I don't either.

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54:23As in selling him to his first. Yeah, yeah, I did it. Don't worry about it, great player, started to see him go, had fantastic spells for Newcastle. One, it's an indication of just how hard it is to go and buy a central midfielder in the Premier League now because Tonali, for all he's great, has never done enough to give him a£100 million price tag. That's absolutely wild, right? Anderson, as great as he is, £160 million. It just shows you what the market's like. It feels like

54:50Jim Campbell: when they were selling cans of Prime for like£100 in the corner shop. There are so few of them. You've got to spend that much money. But I did a video last summer, which was sort of like, it was during the ESAC stuff, and it was like, look, you've got to get off. Everyone's too online, right? You need to sort of detach yourself from this because you need to understand how these things work and how it's not just about when you see reports of players getting linked to other clubs now, you are being fed basically into a cottage industry where your attention on transfer news is a business model for a lot of broadcasters, for a lot of journalists, and the clubs use it themselves as a negotiating position because, you know, public perception actually matters when it comes to these things.

55:29It adds and reduces value from the transfers. And the Tonali one was so good because it was like, it's been so, it's been an open secret in Newcastle. He's been wanting to go for a while. I'm sure a lot of players have. And all summer, there was just another update about how he was definitely going to Tottenham. Tottenham are in for Tonali. This much money. This is the price. Contract agreed at this much. Then he doesn't go. Then there's another update. Sandro Tonali he's the ball it's all rolling ahead it's all going ahead he's definitely going to go to Tottenham for this much money and this is his contract a few days later Sandro Tonali all everything's nearly in place now for Sandro Tonali to go to Tottenham for this much money unless anybody else wants to spend that does anybody have

56:15Pete Donaldson: any objections or forever hold your peace and then it rolls on another week and it's like Tonali he's signed he's so excited about the project at Tottenham because he'll really go. He will actually go unless somebody else comes in. He'll do it. This will happen, guys. I promise you, if you want it, it's 100 million. If you want to, you've got to move quickly. I mean, it's a dangerous game to play because Eberachie, as he nearly went to Spurs. Then he went to Spurs. He's got his little rescue. I think that was sort of the brinksmanship. And it's not, it's no slight on Tottenham, but Sandro Tenali's people will have told him, we'll get you a move to a really high profile Champions League club.

56:51You know what I mean? And as soon as any club came in that were willing to put the wages and the price tag in place, it was like, right, well, let's get on that. And we can keep this in the news cycle for weeks if we need to. And eventually it'll rattle someone because Man United are desperate for a central midfielder. Man City haven't bought Elliot Anderson yet. They might be interested. Chelsea have got all this. You know what I mean? It was the sabre rattling that was going on through the mechanisms. I'll not use their names, but the mechanisms you can use to generate interest and attention on a transfer.

57:21just watching it go on for a couple of weeks like well he guys he'll do it we're serious he will go to Tottenham unless you come in with a bid it just seems weird that no other clubs came in I mean it's just financially did it just not work for them I just kind of I can't figure that out I think it was because he wasn't worth 100 million

57:40Pete Donaldson: I know people say you can be dismissive of transfers and say well transfer fees don't mean anything nowadays fine 100 million fine but you someone still has to stump up an enormous amount of money so in one sense it's sort of emotionally they don't really mean the same anymore you know no one's going to say well that's a£100 million player playing for Spurs in their midfield 92 plus 7 you know you still have a very good player but in terms of as you say the actual clubs going in for it that's where it matters don't get me wrong there's every chance to know he's a massive success at Tottenham is like a catalyst for driving them back at the league and they look at that as one of the best buys they've ever made.

58:20This is not me saying it's funny because Tonali's rubbish and he said No, no, no, I don't think you were saying that. It's just the protracted, like, the exact same story getting repeated and reported as new every couple of days from the... And that's finally worked on Tonali himself. Yeah. But everyone's... I keep saying I'm going to Tottenham, is that... yeah, unfortunately... He's been saying Tottenham a lot.

58:41Pete Donaldson: I mean, as you said, that's the nature of it. That's the nature of the, you know, the World Wide Web and 24 hours. The World Wide Web. Yeah, it's about time we refer to it to what it originally was. The information superhighway. And we surf it, we don't search things. But Tonali going to Spurs, it's a signing that the fans will be pleased with, he'll improve the team, and that amount of money is only the concern of those who are actually spending it.

59:08Jim Campbell: The fans won't go, oh my goodness, you know... You say that, but I suppose fans are aware that you don't know exactly what the budget is. Everyone's a financial expert now. Yeah, exactly. And you do feel like it's your own money. You'll have people in pubs in North London talking about amortisation. Well, indeed.

59:24Pete Donaldson: And now clubs... So Newcastle United obviously have a lot of money to spend. All other clubs know that now. So whoever they spend... I mean, you would think they would need to spend a bit, because the squad is not what it was, of course. Although the only thing at the moment, Peter, coming out of Newcastle United, is chat about the current badge being changed. Yeah, I mean, we talked about this for a little... I mean, I know because I got it on my leg, but... He's got it. The current one is tattooed on Pete. They're trying to sort of say that it's too complicated to put on anything.

59:54Jim Campbell: Have they seen Dan Flashes? Exactly. Get a better printer, guys.

59:59Pete Donaldson: The fans are being asked to vote on whether the club needs to change their badge. I mean, you can see the current badge struggles to perform in a modern setting. its intricacies and irregularities make consistent high quality reproduction impossible Pete's managed to do it on his leg from modern digital platforms to broadcast environments and merchandise we made a football ramble badge not that long ago on our new admiral kits and that looks absolutely fine and they were pretty intricate in the 90s as well all those badges do you think that is the big chat in Newcastle Pete it's nothing to do with replacing the midfield you've got to replace that badge I hope it comes back with like a really you know like when pubs like laminated pub adverts for like the football and stuff are always made on AI nowadays.

1:00:42And it looks like it's just caught in like piss yellow. It's really horrible. And they all look the same.

1:00:48Pete Donaldson: It comes back like that. I hope it's updated. You remember that - Matt Ritchie kicking a corner flag, that man's bald. Yeah. You remember the, remember, was it, was it, was it, which famous painting was it? I want to say it was the Mona Lisa or something when somebody like, it wasn't the Mona Lisa, but somebody was cleaning it. You're thinking of the Mr. Bean movie. No.

1:01:12You're thinking of an Italian fresco of Jesus that an old lady decided to modify. Thank you. I think we probably would have heard about it a bit more if it was the Mona Lisa. Yeah, well, that's what I mean. They got soup thrown on the Mona Lisa, I believe. Was that before or after the Mr. Bean movie? What was the Mr. Bean movie? Who inspired this woman? There was a photo. It was in an art gallery and he ends up making a mess of the photo. Oh, the Mona Lisa. Brilliant. Okay. Whistler's mother. Is that a rare instance of a real-life event being based on a film?

1:01:38Pete Donaldson: Yeah. Maybe. Potentially, yeah. But she tried to sort of draw it and go, oh, he's a bit smudgy. No, she was trying to clean it. It was good, actually. It was good. I do remember this vividly. Anyway, the badge, the badge, the badge, the badge. Anyway, somebody should do that to the badge. Yeah. Just draw some seahorses. I mean, what would you put on a Newcastle United badge, Adam? Well, look, it's quite disingenuous, I think, when they talk about it's a problem to replicate and it's a problem to do this and that. Like, that's never what this stuff is about. It's about global branding. is the way it is because there is a problem selling a black and white shirt in mostly North America and other parts of the world because everywhere there it's a referee's jersey.

1:02:15Yeah, right. So Newcastle, the club I presume don't or maybe even Adidas don't feel like the club sells as well as it can overseas because there's a perception over the kit. So the brief for this season for the kit will be it's got to be black and white stripes but it also has to not look like a referee uniform. That's why the Adidas stuff is blue. That's why there's loads of blue over it. That's why the stripes are all weird and all over the place. That's the brief. The problem Newcastle have got with their badge is baseball caps. Every club in the Premier League that's doing very well overseas has an ability to take their badge and turn it into one of those American-style, super simple logos.

1:02:50All American sports teams have got the simplest logo in the world, right? And Arsenal have got so much merchandise, which is just the canon. Liverpool took it down to just the liver bird. Man United have started increasingly just using that devil on things. And the problem is there isn't an element in the Newcastle United badge that you can just easily take out and put on something. A seahorse doesn't scream Newcastle. But there's two seahorses. And if you take them out, they're separated and they're missing. There's no easy way to do that.

1:03:16Pete Donaldson: We've got to see a magpie, surely. Well, this is why they've been using the retro badge with the magpie in. Yeah, I say that all the time. They're trying to get that a bit of traction. But the problem is if you go and put that on a cap and in a store in America, nobody's going to walk in there and go, ah, that's the Newcastle Uniteds. So it's all part of like growing the globe. I've just been over there, actually. I was learning. Ladders are the Newcastle United. Hey, I'm buying a cap here. So it's all part of this. It's nothing to do with the badges here. The badges is this, the badges that. It's just we are trying to have a better global footprint.

1:03:47And unfortunately, when this badge was designed, it wasn't done so with like a Middle Eastern, an Asian or a North American audience or product awareness idea in mind. A Noxhydrate. Knowledge. Knowledge of what Noxhydrate would want. from a brand. You simply didn't, they didn't know that. Was it 80, what year did we get this? Yeah, because they had the NUFC sort of before that, didn't we? So it's just, it's got nothing, you know. It's not been there forever. Clubs will try and present this stuff as like, oh, it just doesn't work in a modern setting, blah, blah, blah. But it's like, no, we actually are desperately trying to sell this club to people who aren't you and they will simply not get involved with a badge this complicated because it makes their brain hurt.

1:04:28Modern football. It hasn't got the recognition for them. Let's just have Jacob Murphy's face just blasting out the Champions League theme. Just his face. He's got a great face. He's got a great face. But then the problem is you then silhouette that to put it on a cap and it's just a... Yeah, it's just a man's head. It looks like that woman from the painting.

1:04:45Pete Donaldson: There we are, you see. Pitfalls everywhere. Oh, dearie me. Well, not that long until the Premier League season starts. Stop saying that. I'm sorry. I am sorry. But I mean, there's a lot of new managers. A lot of new managers. It's going to be really bouncy. I think it will be bouncy. Gary O 'Neill's back exactly what's bouncier than that the more people talk about this new Premier League season it's like it's got the vibe of a stag do where everybody on it I don't like like it'll be great when I'm there don't get me wrong we're going somewhere nice loads of stuff planned we're going to do more drunk videos exactly and you know the best man's actually alright really he's not had a drink he's alright but now I'm sitting here I can't be bothered with it I don't want to get on that plane I don't want to be stuck for nine months with those people again it'll be great when we're there so okay Adam I take your point and therefore, I'm going to invite you to come with us back to America.

1:05:36Pete Donaldson: Okay? We're going to turn our attention to Major League Soccer. Oh, figuratively. Well, there's huge news from the weekend you may have missed because MLS has just been cracking on. Portland Timbers incredibly sacked Phil Neville not that long ago. Brave. It was before the World Cup. Show some fucking respect. Exactly, yeah. Well, they didn't, Peter, did they? No. They didn't. And I think that Portland Timbers have showed him even more disrespect because their first game since sacking Phil Neville was against Seattle Sounders, a local derby. They won 5-1.

1:06:15Jim Campbell: Wow. Can I just get this straight? Now just places Phil Neville has been make their way into the running order. That's right. She believes he's doing right now. Are you going to mention Phil Neville in every show this season? Are you going to continue the fine tradition of football? I thought we'd take that button off him. I know. I've been sitting here so patiently looking at that steam deck going, I really hope he presses it soon. You were thinking, do it. I was, that was me.

1:06:47Pete Donaldson: And I did. Yes, so Phil Neville once again has set the foundation for somebody else to come along and take the team to new heights as he did with Inter Miami. As he did with England women. Ed England women. There is a pattern. There is a pattern. Phil Neville walked, so Serena Vigman could also walk. I call it the Phil Neville tapestry. Wow. He's a real burner boy. He burns everything. Someone has to tide it up again. You're damn right. Now, everybody, we've reached the end of the show. Massive thank you to Adam Cleary. Yes. I cannot stress how bizarre this is. This is the ultimate long-time listener, first-time caller scenario to end in.

1:07:23Pete Donaldson: Bless you, sir. Bless you. Well, a huge thank you to you, Adam, for joining us on the Football Ramble today. The honour and pleasure is all ours, but you're not done yet, you know. You've got another show to do because tomorrow afternoon we're dropping a special summer edition of Jack's Encyclopedia. And Adam will be in one of the hot seats taking on Jim and me. Uh-oh. Is this like a sort of... Is this a Nations League competitive friendly or how does this... Because it's in the summer, how does it work? Pre-season tournament. It must be pre-season then, mustn't it? World Club Cup. But it's one of those pre-season games where people will be watching it thinking, oh, okay, that may give us an insight into what's going to happen this season.

1:08:01Pete Donaldson: Yeah, we're flying to Malaysia for it as well. Really keeping the spirit of it. We absolutely are. Thank you for listening to the Football Ramble part of the ACAR's Creator Network. If you want to hear more from Adam, and you bloody well should do, because he is a tactics guru, if I may. Do you like that? No, I hate when people say, oh, he's a tactics guy, tactics guy. I hate all that. I just like football. Yeah, he's a football guru. I just like it. I just think it's good. It is good. Sometimes. And sometimes you do some tactic stuff. Yeah, sometimes you're drunk in the street. Sometimes I'm just walking around making a scene.

1:08:30Pete Donaldson: That's it. Exactly, yeah. But you can find Adam on YouTube at the Adam Cleary Football Channel, on Instagram at Adam Cleary, or on TikTok at Adam Cleary FC. Get a load of you. We've got another special episode coming out tomorrow morning as well, before the Jack's Encyclopedia pre-season friendly. So keep your eyes peeled for all of that. There we are. Thank you, Pete Donaldson. Fare thee well. Thank you, Jim Campbell. Thank you. Thank you, Adam Cleary. Can't believe it. And thank you, Jack Reilly.

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