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3:59Luke Moore: Whoa, everybody! Whoa! Ho, ho, ho! Ho, ho, ho! Monday morning is back! Monday morning is back? It is. They said it couldn't be done. We're still at the afters. Yeah, it could be Monday afternoon by the time you're listening to this. We've not been to bed. We've been in this studio partying all weekend with Little Luke. With Little Luke, absolutely. Or Luke Littler, someone called him. the other day. My goodness, what a weekend for Premier League action. Before we get into that, though, there was some big footballing action that happened on the weekend down in Essex, of course. Peter, we want to hear about that monumental tie that happened in your league.

4:36Luke Moore: We heard how Luke broke into your WhatsApp and volunteered you to play in goal for your Sunday side. How did you get on before we talk about the Manchester derby? Let in two, then got sent off. Oh, you got sent off? Yeah. In Sunday League at Essex? When you throw hands When you're an on the edge kind of player Like your costas Like your pepes Or your suarez's Things are going to happen When you're bad to the bone What happened? Ah good reference Then you're a certified menace What happened? I just took out a big fat striker When he was in on goal? He was in on goal It was a dog's oar He went past you did he And you brought him down He didn't go past me Marcus That's why I got sent off So did you use your feet or your hands to bring him down?

5:18Little bit of everything Outside the area I think it might be Outside the area Stay home mate Goalkeeper of your ability In height Stay home

5:25Luke Moore: That's clever Because he knew What he was going to do But you gave away A free kick Rather than a penalty What minute was it I think it was about 60 And what was the final score 4-0 A 4-0 loss I feel so proud That I've engineered that I know Pulling the strings Dark forces What did the manager Say to you Because obviously You volunteered He called me An incorrigible rogue Is that right Was he ultimately happy With what you did Or was he kind of One earth It was one of those things where the referee went, I'll put it down as a yellow, so you don't have to pay the fine. Oh, that's nice. I don't have to pay the yellow card fine.

5:55No, no, it's not nice.

5:57Luke Moore: It's corrupt is what it is. What did Gianni and Fanzino say? This smacks to me of someone being asked to do the dishes and doing them so badly and never gets asked to do them again. Is there a bit of that in there? But you volunteered to go and go before. Yeah, and I have been better, and I've certainly been worse. Either way, I affected the game. You did? Yeah. How did you execute the walk-off? I've never been sent off before It was quite exciting really I kind of want to take a selfie Did you walk before the referee got the card out? Oh that would be lovely Letter of the law mate Marcus he's not got that in his locker Not a man of honour Well a clean sheet and a red card Was seen in that game That was also the case in the Manchester derby of course Manchester United 0, Manchester City 1 A little bit of controversy in this, to say the least.

6:47Luke Moore: A little bit. Everybody. Yes. Yeah. The Premier League's refereeing body, pro ref. It's one of these places, things where you don't really know where to start, do you, Marcus? Yeah. Have admitted an error of judgment in awarding Erling Haaland's winner. The reason they said that is because if I had admitted an error of judgment, people would have jumped in and said, which one? Yeah. Which one was it? Can you give us a top five countdown, like top of the pot? Yeah. I mean, which decision do you want to go to? You choose. Let's go to Harland's then, because that was the moment of the game, wasn't it?

7:18Luke Moore: Where old Erling pops up at the back post to finish beautifully. It was a great finish. I think that was kind of lost in it. The fact is that Harland, you know, again, you run out of superlatives to say about the man, has one sniff at goal. Yeah, of course it was a chance. It's a laser-guided left foot he's got. But it's a great finish and that is ultimately the difference. But of course, the question is, should it have stood? I've got a bit of a Tim Forhout theory about this. Here we go. And it's not going to matter because the reason given is different and they've admitted their error anyway, so no one's going to care about this.

7:52But I cannot, for the life of me, get on board with the idea that Haaland was onside anyway. I think... We're starting at that level. I just think it just looks absolutely ridiculous that Dorghu's foot is playing Haaland onside anyway. I can't I think the line has been drawn wrong there's no to me unless I'm missing something that people will be in the social In my mentions later. I'm sure kind of disavow me of this with screenshots, but I cannot see how the Animated screenshot where they put the line across with dog whose foot Corresponds to the real-time Action it looks totally

8:29Luke Moore: Bonkers to me you did say it was tinfoil at the beginning well, you're not on board with that I think I saw kind of I think I don't want to be on board. Well, that's that's a different question Yeah. That's my answer. But do you have any sympathy with what I'm saying? Uh, if I'm honest, not really, because it's just... Because you understand technology? I think, more honest, I just trust it, I suppose, and I shouldn't probably. I don't think Donald Trump's drawn the line with his Sharpie. You know, I think that... It's happened before that they've drawn it in the wrong place. Well... It's semi-automated now, isn't it?

8:59So it makes it a bit different.

9:00Luke Moore: Well, look, that's the thing, isn't it? It's not human doing all of it, I suppose. Well, what we've been given... Look, what we've been given says that Harlem's onside. So I'm just, I'm happy to go with that to get to the next bit. Which is ridiculous. Because that's where the referees are working from. That's where the VAS work from. I particularly liked it when during the game itself, Sky Sports put up a load of text about what interfering with play means. And everyone was like, well, it's stupid then. Do you know how I know what's interfering with play? Because I can see with my bleeding eyes if someone's interfering with play or not.

9:34Luke Moore: I mean, I think the top... Donnarumma was not interfering with play. No. Enzo Fernandes was. I think where it affects the defender, it's a little bit overblown, but obviously a defender moves to another player who he thinks is in an advanced position. But Senna Lamans, obviously, he adjusts his feet because he thinks there's going to be a header on target, which makes him unable to save the second shot from Harland, who is onside. Also, Pete, if you are straining every sinew in your body in the penalty area to get your head on the ball, I think you might be at least attempting to interfere with playing.

10:05And if it is subjective, that the rule is they've just forgotten the fact that if it is subjected then it has to go to the referee or maybe they just were concentrating on the fact that the decision that had to be made was the offside and ignoring everything else forgetting that there are other variables at play there

10:19Luke Moore: do you remember years ago obviously when Sam Allardyce was managing and it would have probably been his Bolton side where when there was a change of offside law and it all got a bit well as it still is eggy eggy is perhaps the word and he said well to be honest with you I'm not really too sure sometimes but if there is something to be taken advantage of we're going to take advantage of it it was when it was when they introduced that player not interfering in the first way where you could stay offside offside the penalty when the ball went out wide yes and it wouldn't be seen as offside right and so I think if he was still in his pump managing now do you think that he would be like right what we're going to do is we're going to have a load of decoy forwards just diving at the ball whatever you do don't get on the end yeah Let you press the wrong button on FIFA.

11:05Luke Moore: Yeah, exactly. I want you to all die for it, but none of you touch it because Nolan's at the back. He's going to be the one that's going to put it in. None of you lot. And the defenders won't know what to do. I'm going to set up a starting pistol and everyone just fucking swan dive. And leave the ball for Ivan Campo. Now you're talking. JJ Cox will whip it in and Ivan Campo will score. There we are. Well, in a statement pro ref said of the incident with Enzo Fernandez, it was established that Enzo Fernandez did not play the ball and therefore that makes any offside offence subjective. However, on this occasion, the VAR did not recognise the likely impact of his position, likely impact, and should have recommended an on-field review.

11:40Luke Moore: So they're not actually saying that they should, they're saying that they should have done an on-field review. So given the referee the option to go over and have a look at the screen. But it's just get out after get out, isn't it? It's like, well, actually what we can do there is we can, rather than just say we've made a mistake properly, they say it's an error of judgement. We should have handed the responsibility back to someone else who could have then taken the heat if they had got that wrong because they're tied up in so many knots about it. There's so many different levels of authority that it's just not fit for purpose.

12:11I mean, I was watching this game in the pub, shout out the Horns Tavern in West Norwood, and it comes to something when blokes who've been in there since before the first game of the day, boozing, can see a mile off that this is a ridiculous situation. And the people who are paid to do it, experienced officials in the VAR room cannot see when a player is interfering with the ball.

12:36Luke Moore: They've tied themselves up with all the according to IFAB's offside laws. A player is offside if they're interfering with an opponent by preventing them from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing their line of vision, especially the goalkeeper, challenging them for the ball trying to play the ball when it's close and this affects an opponent making obvious action slash movement that clearly affects an opponent's ability to play the line. Can I interest you in all four? Yeah, exactly. But that's what I mean. But when you just kind of like, surely, the naked eye, as you say, with all these blokes in the pub and all the rest of it, can just see, well obviously he was interfering with playing.

13:10Luke Moore: I mean the only thing, the only argument one might say is that... Is that Enzo Fernandez is not the type to be interfering with anyone? Is the only argument I think is because it was Argentinian on Argentinian action, people go, I just cancelled all it out. If that's the case, they've got at least a fist fight. Well, that would always be my point. But I think Martinez, I think it's like he lets the ball go. Like when the ball comes across, like he sort of gets out of the way, almost forgetting Haaland's there. I don't know, Luke. I'm struggling. I'm straining to think what could they have done.

13:42Luke Moore: The fact is, I totally agree with you. The goal should not have stood and they've pretty much admitted that as well. But the goal went in, Peter. It did. But I mean, let's make it clear, Man United were not showing much of anything even when they were playing against 10 men. So it seems... They hit the post twice. They hit the post twice. And Donnarumma made a... That was a brilliant say towards the end. Man United looked... Cunha just isn't the one. And they looked... They had a lot of shots here, but they were all from distance, like Luke said. They weren't playing amazingly. They've started the season like they started last season.

14:17They're just kind of like sleepwalking.

14:18Luke Moore: Do you not give Man City a lot of credit, though? Because when all said they were playing with 10 men for a long time. And Maresca didn't make any changes, but they looked pretty well drilled. They didn't give... Look, I agree with you. He made changes towards the end. Yeah, and he made some good changes as well. But I think both are true that Manchester United did look a bit, you know, lacking in creativity. Yeah, take Rashford off. Yeah, that's a good idea. Karak, yeah, brilliant. But I thought Man City were well drilled and good value ultimately for that. Man, he was the only one who was doing anything for Man United.

14:47What I thought he should have done was just as soon as half-time come around, just took off Cunha Fisesco and just give him a much bigger focal point up front. That to me seemed like the most sensible thing to do. I also found it interesting I mentioned this on WhatsApp to you guys it was proven to be totally wrong of course because Haaland eventually scores the winner but it's quite an interesting prospect seeing a team particularly away from Haaland play with 10 men with Erling Haaland

15:09Luke Moore: because That's why you've got to give him credit I think. Yeah because it's almost it's hard to criticise Haaland because his goal record is so good and because he's so powerful because he's such a finisher particularly his left foot and he's dangerous at all times. He doesn't work very hard in those situations, does he? It's not what he's there for us. I don't think, he doesn't hold the ball up as well as you think he would. No. And the ball was pinging off him a lot yesterday. All the decoy. Which, it just made it feel like, okay, we know when it's 11 v 11 and they've got so many other good players and as you said, they're so well coached that they can kind of accommodate it because it's almost like Harden plays almost as a decoy.

15:44Everyone's so worried about him all the time. It doesn't really matter if he gets the ball or not and he can have four touches in a game and score two balls.

15:49Luke Moore: Perhaps they can't press up as high as they would like. But they can't do it with 10. So it's really noticeable. But then, of course, they fashion a ball into the box. And with the help of some poor refereeing, as you've mentioned, he scores anyway and they win the game. It's quite a weird situation. Yeah, I know what you mean. But with Man City, there was a teensy little reminder of the World Cup final where Argentina had nine men defending, you know, when Enzo Fernandes was sent off. Messi obviously had his free role. They defended very admirably. And I thought, you know, Man City, again, how sort of drilled they were, and how hard they were to break down, did very, very well.

16:24Luke Moore: Yes, Mbuma has a very good chance, but Donnarumma's there. It falls on his wrong foot as well. But still, though, you know... I think he does everything he can do there. The criticism... Yeah, look, I don't think it's like a shocking miss, but my goodness, it's a presentable chance. It's a Donaldson-esque save. It's a Villanova veteran save. Well, at that point in the game, Peter wouldn't have been on the pitch. No, he wouldn't have. But Donnarumma, we were a little bit critical and wondering about his form. Well, I tell you what, you've got to give him credit on the day because... He's been in court.

16:51Well, he's not been in court, but he's obviously got that car case about his robbery that happened in Paris, obviously. That's what he's got to cost. You know, things affect people, especially goalkeepers. It's a very lonely existence, as I well know. Which is why you got sent off so you could join the boys on the sideline.

17:05Luke Moore: But yeah, no, you're right about Donnarumma. But credit where credit's due. He keeps a clean sheet and makes his save, you know, a brilliant save right at the end. but yeah I think that when Foden gets sent off and we'll talk about that in just a second Mancini are thinking here we go here we go and Mancini were misplacing passes here and there there's not like they weren't playing white hot football before then so Phil Foden should he have been sent off Peter? Yes I think Bruno should have probably gone as well but he's just too cute you know he's just two players one player who knows how to play that kind of game and I don't think standing over the top of Bruno helped that felt a bit it was an amazing bit of cinema with the way the camera shot was it was no just the general shot from behind the referee who's not in vision and Foden kicks out at Fernandes and as Pete says stands over him and you can watch it back all you see is the red card and the hand appear at the bottom left of the screen and Foden go like Bully in Bullseye yeah it was exactly like that it was exactly like that it was so dramatic It made it much more entertaining to watch.

18:12But I thought that, I broadly agree with Pete. I would probably fall short of saying that Fernandes maybe should have got sent off. To me, the threshold for violent conduct, I mean, Fernandes does go in on him and he does kind of,

18:25Luke Moore: almost a little kick, but it's like he stops himself. I don't think it was violent. I think it was just kind of, you know, that's fine. Yellow card probably. And then Foden's reaction. I don't like to necessarily see players sent off for that. I know what you mean. I understand why you have to go for that. Yeah. Because it wasn't like a proper kick out. It was like, he's got him right in the cock and balls. Let's be absolutely fair about that. And that is an area that should be protected. Can we agree on that? Yeah, it's a protected area. Peter, would you like to see cocks and balls protected?

18:53Yes, please. Yeah, so fair enough. Harry Maguire kicked Chelsea player a little while ago in the balls. In the balls, there we go. He should have got a yellow for that.

19:00Luke Moore: Well, yeah, I do agree with you, Luke. I think it's a tricky one because I think once the referee, if the referee's gone for a straight red there, which he did, and you can understand why, I don't think that's going to be overturned there's no it wasn't well indeed I didn't think at the time it was going to be overturned because that's where VAR that's the proper use of it you're thinking has the referee has he completely misjudged the situation no Phil Foden's kicked out at him people might say he was trying to get up no he's kicked out at him is VAR going to go not really no and you can't get yellow cards through VAR unless maybe it's a second yellow mistaken identity so in other words people say, well, Brutus Fernandes should have been booked.

19:43Luke Moore: Well, if the referee's seen it, I'm sure he probably would have done something. But I'm saying VAR is not going to intervene at that moment. Right. Yeah. So I think, I get it. I get it. But like you say, Luke, if the referee doesn't send him off, I think that's fine as well. It's one of those ones where one week that may be given another week, it might not be. And we're all going to get frustrated, but that is just the nature of it. It could in a parallel universe he books both players and we never think about it again. That's what it feels like to me but he's obviously chosen not to go down that road.

20:14I also think Michael Oliver was way too involved yesterday. The ball kept hitting him. It's a super Sunday. The ball kept hitting him.

20:21Luke Moore: Was his positioning? This is another conspiracy theory. He did a diving head at one point. He was stood in the wall for a free kick. The way that we're going with refereeing, we're putting names on the back of referee shirts in World Cups and they're focused on so much. They've got a ref cam, which to me makes absolutely no difference whatsoever unless we're looking specifically at what the referee sees in an incident. We don't actually need to see that anyway because all that's going to do is essentially undermine the referee. If a player's gone across at exact time and the referee doesn't actually see it, it just undermines the referee.

20:56And now it just feels to me the ball hits them far more than it used to. I don't understand what that is, they must be just probably getting closer and closer all the time to the action. Yeah, maybe they're just thinking, I've got to film this. Unless you might, Dean. I've got to film, yeah. Yeah, if you want your ref cam, they've got to get close to the action. Well, you sort of think that the ref cam was introduced just to let people know how fucking hard their whole job is, so... And I think it's worked in that capacity. Do you know what confuses me? They did a lot during the World Cup. They'll show a ref cam angle of a goal.

21:25So I don't care what the referee saw. It doesn't matter. It's still new though, it's still new and exciting. I agree. There was a bit in the Harvey Barnes goal, Newcastle scored last week, and the ref goes, he'll fancy this, he'll fancy this. And he shot. He's like, yes, looks like a little mini commentator. He'll fancy this. And he's shot and he's gone.

21:43Luke Moore: I think it's mildly interesting. I think, though, that the ref came actually showed why he didn't book Bruno Fernandes, because then he couldn't see it from the angle. And I think that's fair. But look, I think they're the big moments of the game. Unfortunately, the referee was at the centre because of the winning goal. I mean, really, should have been nil-nil if you want to go down that. We had enough nil-nils, didn't we? Well, I think we did. Or did we? Well, we had one at Anfield, which was a very welcome nil-nil. Thank you very much. We had one at Spurs as well. Yeah, well, obviously. Where goals don't live.

22:15Luke Moore: But that goal, Peter, that stood at Old Trafford, made Haaland the top scorer in Manchester derbies in the Premier League overtaking Wayne Rooney. He's not taking him long, has it? No. He's probably been there longer than you think, but yeah, you're quite right. Speaking of goal scoring, by the way, Harry Kane scored his 150th goal for Bayern on the weekend.

22:37It's just unbelievable, isn't it?

22:38Luke Moore: I looked at that and thought, no, that must be a... Oh no, it's goals. 99th Bundesliga goal. There you are. There you are. And both of them, if Haaland had made the right choice, they could both be up top for England. But there we are, everybody. But Manchester City, a quick word on Manchester City before we finish. Yeah, it was a big examination for them and they came through it really well. I think, you know, in terms of the macro picture, it's just massive, isn't it? It ticks every single box. Huge for Maresca. It's away from home. It's against their biggest rivals. They've been fortunate. They've gone down to 10 men.

23:11They stood up to that test. You know, everything they wanted is there for them. With the kind of caveat, I suppose, that I would say Arsenal had a really strict examination as well and they came through that too. so quite interested from that point of view Chelsea had one but didn't come through it we'll talk about that in a minute but I thought for them it couldn't have gone better I mean the fact that Foden is going to be suspended I suppose does affect them a bit but they've got cover obviously because it's a shame for Foden because I think obviously last season was a disaster this season he started quite well by which I mean he's being picked and he's involved and I think it's Rufus at the very top level of football as we know they've signed NGI they've got players around who can fill in and Doc who's still injured of course he's going to come back it might be that Foden now finds it hard to get back in there because Maresco is definitely a man to hold a grudge 100 %

24:03Luke Moore: Why is he so friendly with Enzo Fernandes then? Yeah exactly Enzo Maresco, a little bit of perspective Enzo Maresco has probably been told by the Man City hierarchy you can have whatever midfield player you want because we've lost Rodri and he's gone my guy is Enzo Fernandes I would just love to have him around the place is what he's probably said He was everywhere yesterday in a horrible way as well. I know, he really is. He was very much involved in the goal. Or wasn't involved in the goal. No, he wasn't. Officially not involved. I do not know if Man City were being cheeky. On their website, when they put him up for goal involvements, they'd have him in there.

24:38Luke Moore: Yeah. They'd have that down. He was the biggest shithouse of the weekend along with Gabriel for Arsenal. Ah, yeah. Yeah, fair. Yeah, but I mean, it sounds for Phil Foden as well that he'll miss the last game before. Just move on, just move on. What, hey? On behalf of the listeners, move on. Not all the listeners are twisted and horrible like you lot. I hope some of them are. There's one behind you at the moment. Well, well done, Manchester City. And Luke, I mean, this is test season, isn't it? You love talking about the tests this season, this part of the season. So they've come through another one.

25:09Luke Moore: Yeah, he's a very testy man. I think we can agree. I agree with that. All right, coming up after this, another very tough day at the office for Frank Lampard.

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28:16Luke Moore: I've been a couple of weeks since tonight in Jabba, which was a difficult evening for everyone in the club. Seriously, why are you pissing my chips? Welcome back to the Football Ramble, everybody. Don't piss in people's chips. Derek McInnes. Derek McInnes. He got a good win on the weekend. I didn't watch Scottish football this weekend. His Rangers team beat Celtic 3-0 in the Scottish League Cup. Quarter-finals already. September, they're into the semi. Yeah, I thought by the way speaking of that. I want to say thanks to friend of the Ramble Tom. Sorry for sending us that Thank you to Tom absolutely You become a friend of the Ramble too.

28:46Luke Moore: So it's patreon.com forward slash football ramble or click that join button on YouTube to get involved Carry on Luke Moore. You're very good. You're very right to interrupt me in there. Sorry for skipping over that I found out this morning that Kenny Dalgleish of the Celtic legend grew up a Rangers fan and he lives in a flat opposite the Rangers training ground played in a Glasgow schoolboys game at the age of 15 and the Rangers scout didn't fancy him much. And as Kenny Douglas tells the story, but Jock Steen was also there and went over to Kenny Douglas' teacher at school and said, that little fat boy in the middle of the park, we like him, we'll have him.

29:25And the rest is history, yeah. Rangers passed up on him. I found that out. Graham Souness has got a little podcast. That's what I found that out on. Is that right?

29:33Luke Moore: Big Graham Souness. It's just, I mean, he just grinds axes. Yes. Which I like. I enjoy it. I like, I know I like to grind an axe, but Su Ness is a pro. It's practically sort of metalwork at this point, isn't it? It's a metalwork podcast. Yeah, exactly. He's actually like something like Thor's got, you know. But if you're in Su Ness' like, if you're at the level that Su Ness respects, like obviously like Cade Al Glebe, it's great. Yeah. But if you're someone that he's got absolutely no time for whatsoever, like he's spent about the last three or four weeks absolutely battering Declan Rice. Right, okay, yeah.

30:02Luke Moore: Well, it is appointment listening. Yeah, but didn't somebody say that they compared them? Yeah, that's why it's happened. Yeah, and soon as it's a bit like, okay. Yeah, exactly. You compared them to me? Yeah. You were attached, no? Yes, exactly, yeah. Right, gentlemen. Coventry City, zero. Brighton and Hove Albion, five. That record might remain in the West Midlands, guys. Bloody Nora. Coventry became only the second team in Premier League history to lose their first four matches without scoring after Frank De Boer's Crystal Palace. Yeah, Mourinho's favourite. Yeah, if you're in the same sentence as Frank de Boal's Crystal Palace, it's not looking good.

30:39Luke Moore: Oh, my goodness. This was a game where, obviously, Brian are a better side than Coventry. I think they proved that on the weekend. But this is where Coventry are thinking, OK, they didn't get anything out of the game against Hull at home, which was a bit of a damning one. But it's still very early, very early, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And this is a game where you're thinking, OK, look, you've just come away from Manchester City and had a decent performance and probably should have scored. Although, I think, on the balance of play, Man City had the most chances but only got the one goal at home to Brighton you think right what can we do here what can we do yeah totally and I think do you know what actually Mark because the first half an hour they were fine they were quite decent they probably should have scored they probably should have scored yeah Brighton were in the ascendancy and had a few chances and Coventry well okay but then you're right they turned the screw and one thing they did is because they're used to having possession Coventry of course in the championship we make a lot of that about playing styles when you come up from the championship and so on and I don't want to sort of do this thing about well of course if you finish, you know, like Halded, you know, six or whatever, and you go up and you're used to not having the ball or whatever, that's going to serve you well.

31:37Luke Moore: You know, clearly, however you go up, the transfer window is huge. What your manager's capable of in these circumstances, can you get the confidence pumping through the veins early on and et cetera? And I think with Coventry City, when they did have possession, when they pushed Brighton back into their half, into Brighton's half, that's where you see them. right, okay, now we know what to do. Get the ball in the box, cause a bit of chaos. You know, they've signed some guys that are literally designed to do that. And on another day, maybe they do score. You know, Redonni had a couple of sniffs at goal, but they don't get the goal.

32:11Luke Moore: And Costoulas scores a brilliant goal, by the way. Oh, he's great. It's a brilliant, brilliant, lovely goal. Really good goal. It felt at the time in the match, I sort of, if you can have a little bit of a sucker punch, if you see what I mean. Lovely use of the head. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really, really nice. And that is where, like, yeah, if you get... Was he interfering with play, by the way? Very much so. Very much so. Going in at half-time at 1-0, and then when they come out in the second half, in the first minute, Coventry have a chance. And it's not like a sitter, but again, it's one of those chances where if you put them away in the Premier League, that's what you need to do.

32:47Luke Moore: And they miss. And then a few minutes later, Yakuhe nips in. A poor one for Coventry. Awanyi is sent off. and for a so there's fine no fine margins then is that what you're saying but it goes from could of and maybe should have been 1-0 to 2-0 down and down to 10 men it goes back to what we talked about with Ipswich at Old Trafford it's the brutality of the Premier League totally yeah it's a totally different level and I think the way I felt before the season started is the way that Hull played last year there's no way they're going to do that in the Premier League but they obviously have shown so far they can with commentary it's clearly become a real issue of how they actually play because they can't bully anyone in the Premier League with their quality.

33:29They're just not going to be able to do that despite the fact they signed so many players and one or two, I mean obviously the goalkeeper they signed from Brighton, they had big money, you had a pretty poor game yesterday and a couple of other players they brought off the bench as well. But you just get punished so, like so ruthlessly in the Premier League, it's unbelievable. And I think also the one thing I would add is that Pascal Gross in the middle of the park for them, He's just a cut above, like two assists, he scores the penalty, basically runs the show. And Coventry tried a number of different midfield players in that game at various stages, couldn't get anywhere near him.

34:05And then you've also got to add the fact that Lewis Dunk scored a Vincent Company-esque fucking goal. It was exactly like Vincent Company's golf, Man City. Where do you want your statue, Mr. Company?

34:14Luke Moore: No, it wasn't Vincent Company's was the outside of the boot. It was Yaya Tour in the League Cup final against Sunderland when he whips it across. They wear dips. What has Lewis Dunk been doing to his body that has allowed him to perform feats? He's had his Weetabix, hasn't he, Feetabix? He's had his Weetabix. He's had like a cyborg leg put on. Potentially. I bet he's got a leg leg. I bet he does. Can you not glorify our call? Lovely throwback. Just call him throwback Marcus. Is there a... His little database. With Marcus... Today's an Oasis day, let me have it. Why is it Oasis day? Oh, don't tell him.

34:50It's a modern reference for Marcus that, Carling Black Label. Carling Black Label. It's rare these days to see a goal where the scorer is as surprised as everyone else. His face was an absolute pitcher. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's a very damning now in the coffin for Lewis Dunk smashing in the fourth goal against you at home from miles out. Fistake. Absolute Hayley's Comet of a goal. Yeah, Lewis dunked his leg in Luka's head or something. Yeah, nice. There we are.

35:20Luke Moore: By the way, are you thinking that up the whole time we were talking? Yeah, pretty much. Old references. Mentioned Bully earlier. Yeah, but that was... Bully, what did I mention? Bullseye, he said Bullseye. Yeah, that's all right. It's not all right. That's been repeated on Challenge TV all the time. Oh, forgive me. Forgive me. Does Challenge TV Also repeats count, do they? Does Challenge TV still kick a ball? If Marcus could go out by the end of the day and buy a pint of Carling Black Label, I'll let him have it. I'll let him have it. I think you can. Weirdly, I think it is actually back up. Let's do it.

35:49I bought a can not that long ago for a laugh. For a laugh. For a laugh. And that's where nostalgia should live.

35:54Luke Moore: So if things are repeated, then it's okay. All right? Well, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. Coventry City. Last season, you think about the goals they had in their team. You know, a number of players were getting goals regularly. You think of Sims. You think of Thomas Asante. And so on. He had a chance or two as well yesterday. He didn't take it. Didn't take them. What, Thomas Asante? Yeah, he came off the bench. Yeah, he did come off the bench. But I mean, the game was gone. by then, you know? Yeah, but I mean, get a goal. Yeah, true enough. Get a goal. That is a good idea. It's always a good idea to get a goal.

36:25Luke Moore: But Awonye is obviously, you know, they signed him, he's a Premier League player, didn't play that much for Forrest, certainly not towards the end of his time there. But a guy who, you know, I thought that wasn't a bad signing for Coventry City. But that, when he does that, I understand he was utterly shocked. And there will be, many people watch that and think, well, come on, it wasn't, you know, he's trying to sort of nudge the defender out. Whatever he's trying to do, he ends up elbowing the defender in the face. You always get punished for that. It was very fuzzy, sort of zoomed in on much of the day, wasn't it?

36:57It was kind of like, I can't really figure what's going on there. It did look and elbow was up.

37:00Luke Moore: I've watched it a number of times and you see the incident, what happens. And obviously he's trying to, he's trying to make the most of his physicality, you know, as any striker has to do to try and get, you know, any advantage over defenders, especially, you know, when it's just one of you up there, there's two defenders are on you. And he's thinking, right, get into position, the defender is kind of looking at him thinking, right, I'm going to try and maybe push you off. They've had a little bit of a nudge and then he goes again. But the problem is, Aonye, even though the defender's coming towards him, he is the one who initiates the contact.

37:30Luke Moore: He's the one who goes to brush him away. And in that movement, he's hit him with the elbow. And therefore, it's a really unfortunate one. I understand there is no player is going to think, right what are we 55 minutes in or 50 minutes in i'll i'll probably just elbow this the defender in the face that'll help it's not thinking that no camera will pick it up exactly he's not thinking that so i understand this weekend we've had maybe well maybe but i understand you know he is he's gutted and he's very unhappy thinking well hang on a minute i do i do this all the time or throughout you know all through matches of course you do but normally that's just a bit of shoulder barge and an RG Barsen.

38:09But no, it's the age-old fine line, I think, between getting some leverage to jump, to challenge, and lifting your elbow a bit too high. And I think the referee has come down the side of, rightly so, I think, in protecting players. And he's just the wrong side of that. You don't want to be broken noses, broken cheekbones, broken eye sockets, that kind of stuff. So you have got to kind of... In for the collarbone. You've got to draw the line somewhere. Going back to the... I had no problem with this ending up. I think ultimately the referee's job is to protect the safety of the players. That's just how it is.

38:36And so that's the way it goes. It's harsh. It's bad timing for commentary.

38:41Luke Moore: Was the timing of that sending off also bad when the stadium announcer immediately told fans after that that the train cancellations in the area meant that there would be no departures from the stadium for 90 minutes after the final whistle? Was that bad timing as well? We've seen a few of these kind of like announcements. And I know they kind of have to do it, but it is kind of like, why don't you just let them find that out at the station? Because it's just like... You're making it worse, I guess. You're making it worse? At least people can make other arrangements I think they did it after the sending off.

39:11Luke Moore: Got the pub. Where it was a bit like, yeah. There was an amazing one. You've now got time maybe to walk home and get home at the time you thought you would because there's nothing in this game. There was an amazing one. It might have been around the Sunderland Arsenal game where a week or two before some train company was trailing that we're making more cheap tickets available for football fans than ever before. And then obviously dusted in a bit of news about a week and a half later that actually if you're travelling to Sunderland on Saturday night at 8pm there's no trains back to London after.

39:43Brilliant. So not a single train. I do not know why there isn't a club train. A club train? A club train. Like clubs don't invest in... I know that's not within their requirements to do so but I just think part of the whole fan-going experience is that clubs need to... A lot of them do put on coaches. They do put coaches and stuff, yeah. Can I just... Before I forget can I just go back to a commentary point? Yeah, go on then. is that you talked about them scoring goals and stuff in the championship. Hadji Wright was a big scorer for them last season. Yeah, another one. He's had a really bad injury.

40:14Frank Lampard was saying that he's going to be out of a quad injury for a while and it looked quite serious and that is just terrible timing for them because I know they've spent money and I know they've brought players in but you've got a player who feels comfortable there who can do it, who's earned his right to now play in the Premier League and fancies it and he just can't play and he's not played at all and they're struggling badly. It's just a really difficult situation.

40:35Luke Moore: Definitely, yeah. But it's a chance, surely, for Brandon Thomas-Santo to start in the next game, you would think. But the last thing, you know, if they go into the international break, and what they're away to Forest next, I think, they go into the international break, which is a long one. Thank goodness. But if they do that, and they've got no points and no goals, you know, that is probably... I mean, Lampard himself said, we went 1-0 down from a moment of quality. Welcome to the Premier League. That is what that is. Totally right. And he knows more than anybody. but you look at Lampard, he was forlorn in the dugout and it is huge now for him to try and turn this around because it's a complete opposite to Hull City the way they've started nobody wants to start like this, 0.0 goals, no moment of cheer I'll give the Coventry fans credit for the ones who stay because there's a lot of empty seats and I understand that travel nonsense and blah blah blah but the fans thought, you know what let's give them a clap here and I thought What they'll have to do is do the old Neil Warnock.

41:38Luke Moore: When QPR got... I think it was QPR's side. They got battered in one of their early games in the Premier League. And he went, Ah, isn't it lovely to lose 4-0 to Arsenal and draw one all the way to Derby County? Or whatever he said. Something like that. I doubt Frank Lampard said that after the game. But that's what they're going to have to do because the confidence may well be very, very low indeed. Unlike Hull City, Pete Donaldson, who got themselves a draw at Stamford Bridge. Absolutely. And they could have got a win. Oh, what a chance to win it. Yeah. You don't want to focus on that because you want to focus on the fact that they go a goal down early on and they get a very, very respectable point at Stamford Bridge.

42:17Luke Moore: Oh, God. They'd have won that. That would have been outrageous. And also, they were two and up. Yeah. They were two and up. For the first, where Hartog missed that bounce. And just like, oh, God. Do you know what? It was a lovely finish, but like, he had a lot of time to do it. That is like the reverse welcome to the Premier League, isn't it? Yeah. That's like, enjoy it. No, no, we're Premier League as well, big boy. That's what that is from Hull City. That's what Coventry did. He needs to play Chelsea. Yeah. That defending for that goal, I just thought was laughably bad. Colwell's just not fully fit.

42:45How could he not judge the flight of a ball with his own penalty area? Not known as a player behind him. Who basically had enough time he wanted to lash it into the net.

42:52Luke Moore: Maybe he thought he wasn't interfering with a player. Well, I am now. Thanks very much. You've opened the door for me. Yeah, Hull. They remain unbeaten in the Premier League after a draw against Stavon Bridge. It's been a remarkable start. to the lead. You sort of go, maybe they have had kind fixtures. They haven't. But they haven't. But also, Man United at Pooh, Chelsea at the back are just an absolute joke. They can't control the midfield. It's just, they wait for Cacete to come back, aren't they really? Because they would have even brought on Henderson, I think. But Chelsea have impressed this season.

43:22But I know what you're saying. Going forward, maybe. But they're relying on Morgan and the forward players to do stuff. They've just got more goals from midfield.

43:28Luke Moore: Indeed. But when you say, all right, they've played Manchester United who, you know, first game of the season. well okay Aston Villa have not been great okay Chelsea can lead goals that's fine but those teams are also playing newly promoted Hull City who everyone fancied to finish 20th and be the whipping boys you know it's been a stunningly good start to the Premier League season for Hull City there's absolutely no doubt about that and you can talk about Chelsea defending rightly so but Chelsea still have that attack line Rodgers and João Pedro scored that front three at least one of them will score in every game this season they are a better team than Hull City look at the difference between the managers you know Obviously, Jekirovic is experienced.

44:04Luke Moore: So I think any kind of chat of doing down this from Hull City is... But there's no one's talking about that. No one's anything other than impressed by them. They actually, in between the two goals they scored, which were only six minutes apart, they should have scored another because Chelsea were all over the place. The ball came down the left-hand side. All the Chelsea defensive players got dragged over to the right. They've massive gaps. The second goal Balumi scores... Oh, my God. He's just waiting there, wasn't he? Yeah, he's also... He'd already scored a rifled half volley. You can't explain it.

44:35He's not going to do that again. And also, Xavi Alonso has mixed up his formation so many times already. And I said to you last week, I said, I thought they'd have a good chance of doing something this season because they've only got the Premier League to focus on. And that may well be top three or four with the goals they've got and with the players they've got and the fact that Alonso is a good coach. but I think what it's going to be like now is it's going to be they're going to score loads of goals they're going to concede loads of goals they're going to be really entertaining they might end up finishing in the top four they might not but what's going to stop them doing anything genuinely impressive is that they have absolutely no organisation at the back whatsoever it's not the players don't know each other

45:17Luke Moore: it's strange isn't it he went for a back four obviously away from us right which has a change to what he did the week before but do you think dare I suggest he underestimated Hull because he thought okay if we're going to I mean obviously you've got to try something you've got to try against it's a home Yeah, Tauhan match against a promoted side. But yeah, it's on paper. You're right. It's perhaps the game to do it. I don't think it's that. I just think he's still trying to work out what he wants to do. I think when a new coach comes in, and he's not managed that club before, and yeah, he's got a pre-season to work on stuff.

45:45And people talk a lot about pre-season being important to work out what you want to do. And obviously that's the case. But like any big high pressure situation, a lot of the time, your plans don't really last more than five minutes contact with reality, right? So there's an element where he's newer to club. He's got a load of players, some of which probably worked before, some of which he hasn't. And he's trying to work out what they can actually do in match situations. So it's necessarily going to take him a period of time to settle in what they want to do. And obviously certain teams have been able to take advantage of it, Hull included.

46:18So I don't think, I think it's taken anything away from Hull to say that. I think Hull were a good value for it. They've been good value all season. They've been great so far. and if you put it in perspective I mean how many points have they got now? They've probably got about

46:30Luke Moore: Don't look at the table Luke Well they've probably got about a third of the points they need to stand in the division anyway So I mean it's a pretty good start It's a very good start They might start with 30 points They're not going to start with 24 points though are they? Probably not No But yeah I mean If you're going to play that game they're currently on course to get 76 points There you are I am playing that game And so are Hull City more to the point Sergei Kovic said after the game I feel good We have to be happy I knew that I would now yeah take it to the bridge we can be very happy we took a point in a very demanding match before the game of course when asked how they planned to stop Chelsea you replied kick them he's enjoying he is loving life he's having a lovely time in the Premier League Chelsea though to back up the points about their poor defending they've not had a clean sheet in 20 league matches now they've long run for 65 years can't blame Xavi Alonso for all that well he's a part of it though if you will hire Liam Rossini what do you expect he's having a good time great video of him the other day, wasn't there?

47:26What was that one? A great video of him walking into the stadium because obviously he's at Paris FC now, walking into the stadium with his AirPods in, looking at the camera, realising the camera's on him and then starting doing a little dance. A little dance, yeah. What's wrong with him? It's a nice touch. He is the Stephen Bartlett of the football manager. Oh, darn.

47:44Luke Moore: Right, break time. Coming up after this, the Fat Rat had a nice weekend.

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49:37Luke Moore: Welcome back to the Premier League. It's Football Ramble, everybody. It's Sunderland 0, Arsenal 2. What a strike by Bruno Kimmerich. That was amazing, wasn't it? You know what? He didn't have that much time on it. It was absolutely outrageous. And I can't believe it's not going to be goal of the month because Lewis Duncan's got it. It's going to be a straight shootout between them. Do you think Lewis Duncan's is objectively better, the fourth and a five nil win?

50:06It's a centre back. You don't get money. He had the freedom of the pitch, though.

50:09Luke Moore: But come on. Why did he have the freedom of the pitch? Because so far, everyone's a bit like, Lewis Duncan's, yeah, that's fine. But Gimmaris is actually under pressure. Gimmaris' goal was, look, let's enjoy both goals. Gimmaris is good, honestly. I was quite enjoying the fact that he must be looking forward to an international break so he can actually start a game. But then he goes and does that and you're like, yeah, fair play. The way that was hit, the venom in which it was hit, the fact is obviously it's at Sunderland as well, which he put on an extra three miles an hour onto that shot or whatever.

50:42Luke Moore: It was in spirit and feel, obviously a very different type of goal, it wasn't a volley, but spirit and feel, it reminded me of that Rooney volley against Newcastle United at Old Trafford. where it was just like, have some of that. But he's playing for a start. He's playing for his position in the side room. I thought he was going to start the game. I thought he would start it, given it was Sunderland, given that he's been past fit. But maybe they watch him against Sunderland, which he's not always been great. Well, he posted a picture of his celebration on Instagram with a caption, the fat rat wishes you a nice weekend.

51:08Luke Moore: That's lovely stuff. He was coming into the Stadium of Lights and they were calling him the fat rat from when he sort of smiled and stuff. And the little sort of... and doing that little small club. They know what they are on Instagram. I think he's won back a fair few Jordies. Well, I was about to say, obviously. It's a little sweetener, I think. Is it not? It's a little sweetener. A little something. Definitely, definitely. Maybe he might not be booed. Sorry to have your hat on, isn't it? Yeah. I thought this was a brilliant game, by the way. I thought some of them were excellent. They gave Arsenal a real test.

51:39They made it so physical. They did. They really stuck it in. Brian Brobby was all over the place. He occupied both those centre-backs. Gabriel stood up to it to be fair to him, disgraced himself regularly with his behaviour, but stood up to him. And he just had so many good incidents. The thing about Premier League games, you can enjoy a good game, but you really need some big incidents. We had a lot of big incidents generally in the Premier League this weekend, but this game, the penalty that Raya saved, what a save! What a save that was!

52:09Luke Moore: I didn't think it was a penalty. Right, okay, I did. Under the new rules it is. really yeah under the new rules it is it is have you noticed how little wrestling there is in the penalty area already but I felt as Ashley Williams pointed out on Match of the Day like Dan Ballard basically pulls Konza across him and drags him down I thought it was a penalty I didn't have any problem after all the earlier chat there I think you've suddenly gone a bit soft after that I thought it was a penalty as simple as that it doesn't matter anyway does it because Rare saved it yeah well I'm glad it was a penalty because we saw that incredible save I mean it's right in the court How has he clawed that out of there?

52:45And when they said...

52:46Luke Moore: And it's not a nice height for the keeper either. It's a daisy cutter. And then they said, oh, they're going to look at it. Because I guess they thought he might come off his line. Don't look at it. How he saved that about coming off his line? It's just an unbelievable shot. Yeah, there's no narrowing of the angle. It's very pure save. How good is Unai Simon that Raya is in Spain's number two? And you kind of go, but that... It's the feet stuff, though. It's the feet that does it for him. Luis de la Fuente doesn't really have a case to answer, does he? No, really. You've won the Euros and the World Cup.

53:12Luke Moore: Yeah, yeah. Nations League? No, you'd probably win that. I just thought it was a great game overall. I also loved the decision-making of Reinoldo towards the end. What was that about? Because basically, it's an amazing combination of defending. He's the wrong side of the defender. He then pulls him back a bit and then makes the decision to wait until he gets into the penalty area to actually foul him, knowing that he's on a yellow card anyway. Because whatever happens is he gets sent off. You might as well just do outside the area and say, I don't score another goal and you're still in the game.

53:43But no, he makes every single wrong decision he can about five times in a row

53:47Luke Moore: and then gets sent off. It's an early international break for Ranildo. Yeah. It was remarkable. It was remarkable, Pete Donaldson. What did you enjoy most about the game? Was it indeed that Bruno Guimaraes goal? Was it Mikasa Saka scoring another penalty? I think it was Mikel Arteta getting booked for... Oh, that was great. Just simply because... He tried to be friends with him, didn't he? He tried to give him a little hug and that was very funny and he just got rebuked and got a yellow card. Before this season, I wanted Mikel Arteta to get booked a lot more for leaving his technical area because he barely spends any time in his technical area.

54:19But now Newcastle have got a manager who doesn't spend a lot of time in his box. So suddenly I've changed on it. Oh, have you? Yeah, I think we should relax. Make them bigger. Make the technical areas bigger. The thing about it is with Arteta, obviously a brilliant manager. He's done an amazing job there and been there ages now. He's actually weirdly one of the kind of elder statesman managers in the Premier League. Yeah, I know what you mean. But I mean, he is very difficult to like on the touch run. I mean, and when he tried to go for the hug, it's like, I mean, and then the referee leaves him hanging.

54:47It's like being left hanging for a high five. So it is embarrassing. He kind of laughs it off. When I started thinking about that, I was like, what are you fucking doing? Like, hug a referee when he's just booked you. In the middle of a game, what are you doing? It's fair to say that - I'd have booked him a fucking game for that.

55:03Luke Moore: Some of the man's actions can be seen as odd over the years. But there's a big tradition of, remember when Arsene Vane got set in the stands with all the main nighter fans? Class, class. And he puts his arms out. Oh, lovely. Get Art Teter up there. Yeah. Get him up into the stadium of light. Into the bowels of the stadium of light. Where that lad did a jobby that time. Exactly, if you like. Do you remember? That's probably a bit too far. Okay. Yeah. He was quite far back, wasn't he? Yeah. Did he actually do a jobby? Do you remember Peter? Which was, oh, the lad did. There was a picture of him with his trails.

55:28Yeah, I think he definitely did. Yeah, he definitely did. Look at you. Just blended in. Why am I asking Pete, did someone do a job in the stadium? Obviously, he's going to go there. He's going to say yes. The Japanese man came and picked it up.

55:39Luke Moore: Put it in the bin. It's actually quite respectful in their culture. It is, yeah. Well, Arteta has admitted to personally sabotaging parts of Arsenal's pre-season preparations in order to toughen up the squad. He said they decided to delay the meals, delay the transport, take a different route. We have done many things. Make the dressing room hotter, more challenging. less beds those kind of things because we are going to have to adapt to different contexts I find it quite hard to believe they're going to go anywhere on a way trip this year and there's going to be no beds that to me doesn't seem likely top and tail boys is that the one where when you're in the changing room and they have those kind of massage-y beds are they talking about that?

56:23I think he's trying to manufacture a situation where they all sleep in the same bed like their grandparents are Charlie Bucket and Charlie in the chocolate factory They are. And they can hug then, can't they? They can hug. They can't help but hug.

56:34Luke Moore: Make the dressing room hotter, eh? Can we start calling... How do you make a room hotter, Peter? Mikel Escape Room Arteta. Because he just seems to be setting up a skate room challenge. Take every dressing room before the game each season to the skate room. If you don't get out, the only players that get out can play. He'll have a massive big cat flap, obviously, that you can fit through. You have to crawl through it to the dressing room and go, it's important to stay humble, guys. There's no argument to say that it's bloody working. No wonder Gabriel was so annoyed during the game. I've had to walk here.

57:03Especially fucking Jigsaw at this point. They've done everything they can to make it tough for the players at Arsenal apart from making travel home as the fans have to travel home. Which is basically impossible.

57:17Luke Moore: When all said and done though, they come through another Luke Moore test. Do they not? I think it's unfair to say it's my test. They've kept another clean sheet. They've only conceded one goal this season so far. I hate to inform you, Luke, they are currently top of the table they are um but look the game wasn't the most free-flowing of course and Sunderland ensured that there's a proper night game though yeah but but and credit to them for doing it and you think okay how are Arsenal going to set up the season are we going to see them playing a little bit differently I don't think we're going to see them play hugely different football to what they did last season because Arteta and and and you know they're capable of doing that because of what they did in previous seasons but that didn't win them the league now I would say well of course you had a much better Man City side under Guardiola.

58:00Luke Moore: But I think Arteta, understandably, is thinking, defence, they are so solid at the back. You know, Brasel was on the pod on last Thursday saying the reason why he thinks Arsenal could win the Champions League this season, and obviously they were close last season. They don't concede. Because they don't concede. You know, their front line is not as impressive as PSG's or Bayern's. And you'd also throw in there, Marcus, speaking of that, you know, how are they going to play? Are they going to be expansive? Are they going to keep it tight? I mean, when they conceded early at Stamford Bridge, they had to come out and they did I saw it the Emirates against Chelsea obviously Morgan Rodgers scored early didn't he it wasn't the Emirates you're right and Arsenal had to come out and they did and they were better and they won the game so yes it's quite worrying from their opponent's point of view totally but look at the moments of quality David Raya the save Bruno Gimoros does that okay last one's a penalty fine and the goalkeeper might have been disappointed but really the game was done you know that just put the cherry on top of the cake but it's looking very ominously similar with what Arsenal are doing for the rest of the league.

59:00Luke Moore: And again, with the changes and the turmoil or whatever the other teams, I think only Man City can go the distance with them. It's a long way to go though. Let's see. It's a long way to go. Don't write it off just yet. Yeah, but they are the top two currently if you're going to peek at the table, which I just did. Gentlemen, a promoted side did win a game in the Premier League on the weekend. Palace 2, Ipswich 3. Gag's got another win, Luke. That's two now. Come on. Yeah, bad news for my prediction. Very bad news. Pete Donaldson, Ipswich Town. I mean... That's a bloody great foundation, isn't it?

59:29Helped out by Axel Dezazi. Yeah. And that was a sending off, wasn't it? Yeah, I think we can... Even you would... Even hard man Marcus that we're experiencing today, I think...

59:41Luke Moore: Well, no, I was saying it shouldn't have been a penalty. Okay, right. Sorry. But, yeah, generally speaking, I think people do see me as a hard man. Tough guy. Yeah, so... One of the Mitchells. Yeah. Yeah. David Mitchell. Real bad man. It was a red card. I don't think anybody's going to complain about that. But I mean, despite that, though, Palace did okay. They actually, you know, and will be a little bit disappointed that they didn't at least get something out of the game, certainly. There's a lot of that this season with them, doesn't there? I'm not really too sure what to think about Palace because they were, you know, Fulham were very charitable against them at Craven Cottage in the previous week, but Palace still got the win.

1:00:24Luke Moore: In this game, I thought, okay, well, you know, and obviously they lose it, so it's not good. But down to 10 men so early on, again, unlucky not to get something out of it. I know it's only Ipswich Town, but Ipswich Town have done okay there. Will Palace be struggling, you know, especially when European football comes around? Or is PSI going to get them, you know, playing and where he wants them? I'm still not sure about Palace, how it's going to go. I think they've had a bit of a, I mean, this is the first game where you'd go, okay, they've lessened points on the table there. I mean that is quite a tough start obviously they won they beat Fulham anyway.

1:01:00The problem is they've conceded more goals than anyone else which is an issue. But you know if one of your defenders gets sent off after you know 30 minutes or whatever it was 34 minutes it makes it tough and I think also I'll tell you who was really good was Leif Davis. Yeah. Leif Davis was sensational he was I might have mentioned this once already this season but he was brilliant when they were promoted under McKenna the first time and everyone was raving about how good he was going to be in the Premier League and he didn't actually do much. Ipswich was disappointing. He didn't really bother the headlines too often.

1:01:31It looks to me, based on a fairly small sample size early on, admittedly, that he's kind of learnt so much going back down again, coming back up again. I just felt like Palace found it very difficult to deal with him. And although Kalehli gets a goal, which is quite a fortunate goal, I think it might have even been deflected off Lee Davis. It was deflected off some of it. It was a deflection, yeah. Yeah. He gets a goal early on. I just thought him and Chris Richards who's playing right centre back found it quite difficult to deal with his movement and obviously he gets a goal he puts an assist on he was just really good I also think that Palace thought they'd got a point and in the circumstances Well when Strand Larsen scored

1:02:07Luke Moore: and I was pleased for Strand Larsen the way that the feeling was around the ground it's like okay we got a point could we even maybe this time to get a winner but also the attitude might well be look we're out we've played an hour we've said man we'll take a point here and they get sucker punched so it's all about context context is everything but they just need to stop conceding basically they've lost a lot of defensive players with good recovery pace when they do fuck ups at least players used to be like oh god isn't that the lot of a team the size of Palastro it happens with Bournemouth a lot as well off the top of my head probably Brighton you may be arguing with too they do well and they just lose players normally for about 50 million pounds that's not the club's fault the club's done well as a collective and then individual players go I'd like to go somewhere else please.

1:02:52But the Glasner era at Palace has been it's just been it's been seismic. I mean it's been the most successful era in their club's history. So the new manager coming in with key players being missing losing players as well it's always going to be tough. The task this season is to stay in the Premier League. It has to be. Especially given they've got European commitments as well.

1:03:14Luke Moore: Same for Upswich Town and Gag O 'Neill. But good for Gag because he's arguably fortunate to be back in a Premier League job and I'm pleased he is in one and if he can keep Ipswich up he's done something that Kieran McKenna wasn't able to do and McKenna's a legend at Ipswich and rightly so so it's interesting it's very interesting gentlemen we've reached the end of our time on today's Football Ramble pod we do have time just for one little last thing there was much was made about Friday's My Biddy Aunt obviously Pete you weren't here so I don't know if you've listened to it but let me just no I saw some people on the audio version they didn't seem to sort of like it.

1:03:52Less so on the video, but I will just have to, you know, I'll reserve it until I've watched it.

1:03:57Luke Moore: Sure. Well, I did say to people who were only listening, this is the time to watch an episode. You are ever going to watch a video version? This is it, because Big Luke E. Moore played Little Luke on Friday's Monday. Well, like another game, do you want to like clear his lot or something? Right behind Luke Moore. He's a New Yorker, man. Oh, that little one there, right behind Luke. Again, if you're not watching. Very purple, isn't he? It sparked a lot of controversy and a lot of conversation. YouTube member DM7410 said, Huge fan of the lads, but listening to the audio-only version of this while hungover put me in a very dark place mentally.

1:04:35Luke Moore: That's what Ramble do to you. Villain8013 said, I appreciate you trying something different, but please never do this again. A lot of people are taking it quite seriously, aren't they? Trying something different. You've got to try something in the final third. Is any other football podcast doing this? No. For me, that's the barometer. Is any other football podcast capable of doing this? Appreciate you trying something different. I don't mind antagonising them. I just don't like upsetting them. No, that's very nice. It's a funny reaction from a man who spent the last three weeks being upset what people are saying about him on the internet.

1:05:07It's weird that my breakdown, I mean, obviously I have nothing to do with this, but it's weird that my breakdown is coinciding with my daughter not sleeping. It's strange that, isn't it?

1:05:15Luke Moore: We also had Friend of the Ramble, Sweebox, saying he revealed on Discord that he was queuing to vote in the Swedish general election as he was listening to that. That's a juxtaposition, that, isn't it? I don't know if he's... Instantly voted for a far-right party. I was about to say that. A sign of the dystopia to come. Yes. But exercising your democratic right at the same time. He's wanted to give back Greenland. Marcus, we should definitely end... Greenland's Danish. Sorry. Some people say. The Greenlanders don't say that. I've wrapped myself up here and Pete's little... Greenland was Danish when we left the house this morning.

1:05:48leave it at that who knows who owns it now we should we should end we should end with the quote from N Donaldson 80 not a relation to of Pete and that is how we should end the show

1:05:57Luke Moore: all great art leaves you asking why good point thank you for listening don't get upset about it thank you for listening to the football ramble part of the Acast Greater Network I'm back with Jim Campbell tomorrow oh he's back is he yeah finally yeah we'll be reacting to Leeds United versus Newcastle United that's happening tonight it promises Sarah's out at choir might order a Chinese Chinese fucking brilliant Monday night stuff. That's great. It promises to be a classic. Well, it certainly would probably be quite violent. What, Pete's Chinese? In or out of the stand. Pete's Chinese would be a classic.

1:06:27I didn't specify. I did not specify.

1:06:30Luke Moore: Hit subscribe so you'd never miss an episode. Hit moosh. Dash! That's good. That's a lovely pitch. Perfect pitch. There we are. Thank you, Peter. Goodbye, everybody. Thank you, Luke. Thank you. And thank you, little Luke, as well.

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