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3:46I'm making bad decisions, everybody. Welcome to the Football Ramble. Spurs persevered and Man City went bananas. It's Monday, 12th of October. I'm Marcus Speller. I'm Jim Campbell. And I'm the douche and I'm the rager.

4:10Welcome one and all to the Football Ramble on this marvellous Monday in the Kingdom. I've got Jim and Vish with me to talk about these things. Hello, how you doing boys? Good, good.

4:20Marcus Speller: I mean, it's just the prem is back. Yeah. It's nice, isn't it? With all the, you know, accompanying scandals. Yeah, yeah. All the drama. Nice to get back some homeliness. I think it just got a bit too continental for me. Yeah? How do you feel about that, Marcus? Are you missing the international break? My team loses at the Premier League. My team often wins in the Nations League. Yeah, fair. Fair. I did get, as a Manchester United fan, I got three different messages over Instagram saying, genuinely, from Manchester United fans saying, I think Marcus might be on to something here. Yeah. There you are, you see.

5:00We'll take it one club at a time. Then when we get to 14, who's voting for a Premier League break? Yeah. But an international season. Bang! Yeah, there's got to be some more skeletons in some more closets, surely. Yes, there might be other teams that would vote with me on that. Well, gentlemen, let us start with the events that happened at Anfield on Sunday. Liverpool 0, Manchester City 3. Did this make you think Man City are not as bad as they were before? Yeah, that is what this game was, wasn't it? If they win this, it's okay. And if they don't, it's not.

5:39Marcus Speller: You said that in the way that, you know, sometimes when you're in an office, you're like, if I get this scrunched up paper ball in the bin, everyone stays alive. If I don't, we're all doomed. It's like when Luis Suarez scored that goal for Uruguay against England in the 2014 World Cup. But afterwards, I think I've answered my critics. No, no, no. You won player of the season. Your talent was never in doubt. It was because you kept biting people. That's what people don't like. And worse than that, of course. But anyway, Manchester City, it's fair to say they went bananas. Yeah, good. They were seen with inflatable bananas, of course, in the stands.

6:12This has been a symbol of Man City, I suppose you could say. A symbol? Would you go that far? It's been a tradition. Yeah, it started in the 80s, didn't it? Yeah, in the late 80s. It seems quite tenuous how it started, if you try and get to the roots of it, where some people say that there was... one of their former players said he had an inflatable banana and he said, you know, I bet you won't take that. No, if you want the inflatable banana, you have to take it to the football on Saturday. It's like, well, I was going to anyway. And others said they would try to sort of make it a little bit more colourful and fun in a very dreary era for English football.

6:47Apparently they had a player called Imre Varadi who was then nicknamed Imre Banana by one fan and that led to the inflatables being brought along. That fan may have been Oscar Wilde. We don't know. Could have been. Could have been. Well, either way, I think a lot of people understandably thought, sorry, what is going on? And then you say, oh, well, it's just a thing.

7:05Marcus Speller: Well, a few travelling Man City fans still do it, but not as many as there were at Anfield, yeah. We were wondering, weren't we, if there would be a period where the City fans got quite angry with their owners. No, that has not come to pass just yet. Not just yet, not just yet. Well, there were plenty of posters in the home end against Manchester City, of course. I did quite like the Oasis-style font that they used and the thing just saying, Cheats! And a banner, there was one banner saying, Look back in anger, Sham Chester. You see. So there's plenty to work with there. Chance of you going down throughout the game.

7:43Cheats. Was Anfield the bear pit that you thought it would be, Vish? Or did you think it could have been a little bit more? Am I being a bit harsh?

7:49Marcus Speller: I mean, I thought it was. I don't know what else they could have done. Exactly, yeah. I thought it was very loud. And obviously as it played out, the Man City players dealt with it really well. The problem was always going to be, when we talked about it on Friday, about being the first one, the one at the front of the queue to enact some kind of revenge, some kind of mob justice. And when those two lineups dropped, I think I messaged in the Ramble group, I was like, I don't think this Liverpool team have it in him. You almost needed the wronged Liverpool players from the previous era, from that bracket of cheating that Manchester City have been found guilty of.

8:34Marcus Speller: You wanted them to come back in almost WWE style, like, oh my god, that's Andy Robertson's music. Is that why Jordan Henderson had a great weekend? He did, yeah. All the sleeper agents were like, I think Mane had a great game, wherever the hell he is. Saudi Arabia. Yeah, well, yeah, you're right. I mean, Liverpool were without Alexander-Ezac, Hugo, Katika and Cody Kakapo. Yeah, but also there was, I suppose it plays into the feeling that's come from the Man City camp in terms of some of the players thinking, like, it's a bit harsh that it's on us, it's not necessarily anything to do with us, even though obviously the money accrued over that period has been put to building this particular team.

9:19Marcus Speller: But there was a flashpoint midway through the first half. And it was like, and the crowd were getting on it. And I think the commentators were ramping it up. And I was looking at the people involved. I was like, you've only just come here. They're like, who the hell are you? Yeah, that was really interesting, wasn't it? Because I wondered how much the players feel the way the fans do. Certainly the opposing players. And in that moment, the mask just pinged off completely, didn't it? It was like, oh yeah, they are. They are as angry as the fans seem to be. But the whole game I found a really interesting spectacle in that the game itself sort of felt secondary to the stuff that's going on off the pitch, which we've seen the opposite of that many times.

9:59But it was a really, really weird one because it is very possible that this is entirely meaningless once the sanctions themselves actually come in. That's a very unusual kind of set of circumstances to watch a game in. It made it quite hard to kind of, I don't know, get a handle on what it all actually means. Yeah, well, I mean, we spoke on Friday about this, as a lot of people did, and I thought that we were going to see quite a timid performance from Man City. It turned out not to be the case. Although the sending off is, of course, the real turning point of the game.

10:29Marcus Speller: Do you reckon? Yeah, I think so. Let me rephrase that. and obviously it was but did you not sense before that point after City weathered I want to say the first 15-20 minutes where they clearly looked a little bit rattled did you not from that point think hmm apart from Ryan Gravenberg Man City is just a better team in the moment so that was what I was going to say I was going to sort of loop back to it no it's alright but I think that we kept looking at it from a Man City's point of view how are they going to attack this and Mares excuse me sorry I get choked up when I talk about him Enzo Maresca.

11:04It's those sunglasses, Jim. It's just marvellous. Enzo Maresca. You know, it's a pretty clear brief from him. It's, right, siege mentality here, lads. Ignore all that, as he said, about the noise. Now, whatever we may think, looking at it or trying to look at it from his eyes, that's what he's got to do. Focus. They're going to be at us. And that can massively play into it. Now, as I said, I wrongly thought it was going to be a timid performance from Antony. I think we looked at it from the Liverpool side of things. Because from the Liverpool side of things, okay, fine, you rev them up. This is a huge game.

11:36It's the first game back from the international break. But all the stuff, the guilty verdict and all the noise as some people have sort of labelled it, how much would that affect Liverpool, if you see what I mean? And you're right. So to go all the way back, they obviously started the game pretty well and were on the front foot. But then with some of the injuries that they've got, and then as the game kind of went on, they sort of go ah yeah these Man City players they may be under a lot of pressure and scrutiny here or rather the club is but what then have they got sort of thing and it did first half wasn't a great watch as you say really the intrigue and the spectacle was what was going on in the stands and the camera cutting to Noel Gallagher you know as it often does so I yeah as it would turn out it was a fairly routine win but I do think the sending off I know you weren't saying that, but it was crucial.

12:32Oh, massively. I think, you know, you're right. It was a routine win in the end. But up until that point, it was fairly even in the sense that it didn't feel like Man City were streets ahead of them. They definitely got a handle in the game. They're starting to make better chances. Yeah, the feeling it helped. Liverpool had chances as well. And for a long time, it felt like this is going to be nil-nil or one-nil either way. And then obviously, Man City are so good at taking advantage of, you know, situations like someone being sent off. Of course they are. and they really just pushed it up a level and were just very businesslike about it.

13:04When the game was poised, I thought it would be, oh, this is going to be Haaland 1-0. That's what I thought, because I just didn't see Liverpool scoring. No, and I'll tell you, part of the reason for that, and it must be so frustrating as a Liverpool fan, is the decision-making of Florian Vert. He is so close to being so good and then quite often things just break down when they get to him. He does something great and then he makes the wrong choice or he gives someone something to do that's far, far too difficult. And it is really strange how he does feel like just a little click away from being a fantastic player.

13:41But in reality, he's actually just a really frustrating one at the moment.

13:44Marcus Speller: Yeah, I was trying to find a comparison with him to previous players who haven't started well in the Premier League and then gone on to do, you know, well, you know, gone on to make a really good fist of it. Like, you know, the most recent example being Kai Havertz. And the thing you could always say about a few of those players who ended up, you know, overcoming quite a problematic start is they all had raw attributes to lean back on. Like Havertz is big and he's using his physicality a bit more, which allowed him to grow into this role he's now playing at Arsenal. You think of someone like even further back, again, Arsenal, like someone like Perez, like he was always good.

14:28Marcus Speller: He just couldn't quite get to the physicality of the game and eventually was able to push through on that. With Virts I'm like, you're not quick. Your passing is fine, but it's not particularly spectacular. You don't seem to be good at dead balls either. And it's like he's playing a position that doesn't exist in English football. It's like we just don't have it. because if you look at Ryan Shirky as the opposite number 10, like, he loves having touches on the ball. I actually think he, you know, there were times where he was actually, Shirky seemed to be quite safe with it in the first half, but he loves getting into tight spots.

15:06Marcus Speller: I feel like Verts doesn't like being in tight spots. Well, this is why, when Liverpool signed Verts for 115, 116 million, I remember the time thinking, I understand, people say, oh, transfer fees don't mean anything these days. Well, they do because of the spending rules, right? And also the impact they have on the other transfers you can make. Yeah, exactly, yeah. It's fair to say, you know, that these financial rules have been highlighted in recent weeks. So, you know, Wurtz... Red Cartel don't like it now, do they? Wurtz was enormous money. Barkela was as well. I mean, even Isak. Isak, you would say, you can see, you know, played very well for Newcastle in the Premier League.

15:46So you can kind of see that. I understand if Barkela is available, you go after him. Do you? at the time but again for the price I feel like if Barclay's

15:56Marcus Speller: offered to you you think about it and you probably take it I don't think he's the kind of player I did have a bit of a sort of I don't think you go after him but I certainly don't think you throw what 128 I think it's too early to say on that though isn't it I don't know I think yesterday was a good he was frustrating yesterday but yesterday was like the thing you do is you run at players and you twist defenders blood and he just didn't do that he stopped himself doing that a couple of times. Again, the point I was going to make about the transfers, I understand that amount of money, you're also buying the potential these days.

16:28Because of the way football's gone, the high press, you want the physicality. Younger players are going to bring that in bucket loads. You know, people say, by the time a player's 30, are they going to be burned out now and whatnot. And so, I get why those fees are there and Premier League clubs have the money and clubs who are not in the Premier League know all that. Just to remind everybody there. But at the time with Verts, I remember thinking, that's the type of money you play for the finished article or somebody who, is a household name or something. We've waited a while with Verts. This is not, you see, with Barca, you can still say, well, it's early days in the Premier League and Liverpool are not in a great spot.

17:02With Verts, I know he's not playing in a great Liverpool team and he joined them when they were in a little bit of a decline having won the league. But you're still not seeing anything from the man himself. You know, there's not really that much individual brilliance, I suppose. And to me, if I was a Liverpool fan, I'd be quite concerned because again, enormous money you've paid for those players

17:22Marcus Speller: and you're not really seeing anything. Do you think Xabi Alonso pulled a fast one when he sold them Wurtz and Frimpong? I think Xabi Alonso said, do you want to see if you can spend that amount of money for sort of an inside left 10? Well, this is what you do. Morgan Rodgers, come over. That's what you do. That's what you do. Obviously, no subverside is a huge deal. You imagine that he would have been more involved in a lot of the physical stuff that Wurtz didn't want to get involved with. I suppose Vurts probably wouldn't have started. Victor Munoz was good. He was really electric with me. But it was just...

17:55Are we being harsh? I mean, again, you know, Arna Slott's second season... They're just not as good...

18:00Marcus Speller: But Liverpool just aren't as good a team, aren't they? No, and Iriola was still new in the job. I mean, maybe it seems... Maybe I'm getting sucked into the whole, you know, sort of here and now kind of mentality that we have. You know, you give him a bit of time. But I'm just saying for a club the size of Liverpool, Okay, there was a sending off to be beaten, sort of, pretty comfortably, 3-0 at home. That is quite a damning loss. Yeah, but the sending off is a massive factor there, isn't it? I thought the first yellow in particular was quite harsh, but, you know, it doesn't matter. He's been sent off, so you have to deal with it.

18:30But, I mean, that is a nightmare scenario in that situation. I don't think this is really indicative of where Liverpool are. Alright, well, we'll steer it away from that then. Did you think it was a sending off? Did you think they were both yellows? No, I didn't think the first one was. Did you not? No. You can see why it's given. Yeah, I guess so. I've already convinced you. There's nothing I can do about it. If I say, no, I think it was a special blue card, which I've invented, which means he has a ten match ban, that would have the same impact on what I can do. I wish...

19:00Marcus Speller: You're like the little VAR on his shoulder. Yeah. The little TV screen on his shoulder. I wish I could negotiate something from you, Jim, because if it was that easy... Give him to take his shirt off. Go on. Do it.

19:13So what about you Vish? Because there were some people saying it seemed pretty harsh. I thought there probably were both yellows. The second one to me is yellow.

19:20Marcus Speller: The first one I didn't think initially, but then someone made the point that when he, rather than for the scratch on his foot, scratch on his foot. Can't do that. A fetish. You can't be scratching people's feet. But when it looked like he kind of raked, grazed his studs on his foot, I thought that's what Anderson went down for, but it wasn't. it was as he was going past Gravenberg, he kind of follows through with his back foot and trips him. Even then I thought that was a harsh yellow, but the second one's definitely a yellow. And it's a stupid thing to get in that position when you know you're on a yellow and you play as a centre midfielder, particularly a deep-lying centre midfielder, where you're always going to be on edge, and he was Liverpool's best player.

20:00Marcus Speller: There's a bit of responsibility You need to take. Making them tick, wasn't it? Yeah, on that responsibility, at Binza Chimbonda on YouTube said, shouldn't be giving out soft yellows in a game like that. Well, you see them given though, don't you? You see them given, Chimbonda. Did you see what you just did to me there? I did. Yeah, you said, you've seen them given about a yellow card that was given, and said that I'm flip-flopping. Outrageous. Well, stay tuned for more outrageous stuff. A game of that magnitude. I know, you shouldn't be doing it. Can I... Can I say... I suppose we should discuss it.

20:36Marcus Speller: There are no elephants in the room anymore, and if there are, they've got bananas in their trunks. But there isn't... Not those trunks. There is a sense... There was a sense watching this game that there was... There was like a... I felt, as someone who doesn't support either of these teams, there was a bit of dissociation, because I was like, it'll be interesting if we get any mob justice. And then by the end, when Shirky scores that goal, there was a bit of me thinking... They're laughing at us. They're making a mockery. A little bit of that, but then they were always going to do that. They were always going to come out and be defiant and boast about it if they won.

21:13Marcus Speller: There was no denying that. But there was a part of me, when Shirky scores that goal, and the way the move happens full stop, I was a bit like, you know what, yeah. If you buy Cirque du Soleil, show me Cirque du Soleil. Like if you're going to spend that money on the new Avengers film, make it good, fine. Like, that's, I think that is the... You're beginning to sound like one of them. Well, no, because... You're beginning to accept this. No, no, it's not... This is how standards slip. But it's not the acceptance of it. The reason I'm saying that is to highlight the folly that is going to come with every Man City game now.

21:45until we get any update on what the penalties actually are

21:55Marcus Speller: and things like that. Because it's so strange having to... For the same reasons that we watched it, some people hoping that Liverpool would smash City, you also kind of watched it to be like, I wonder how they get out of this. I know what you mean. It's a bit like, you know, if you... Yeah, something's happened okay. well that Cherokee girl was very very very very easy on the eye yeah it's like if you've got an absolute buffoon of a of a prime minister at least we're going to get some good satire out of it or something you're going to go you've got undesirable situation but okay yeah it's not as bleak as that if you think about the situation in the US but I said prime minister specifically yeah yeah you did yeah fine but um yeah I suppose it's a little bit like I don't know it's like stolen art, isn't it?

22:41Marcus Speller: It's like it's up there and it's like, oh, it is art. It's such a strange watch. You need to give that back, but it does look great. It is really nice. Can I just put it on Instagram for a bit? Yeah, brilliant. What's he screaming about? I mean, has anyone seen the Elgin Marbles? Another good example. Anything in the British Museum. Is that Man City the British Museum of the Premier League? Yeah. Well, like... Because the argument the City fans were making in terms of how good they are, was that City had assembled a team by normal means to be brilliant. And it's like, some of those players would have gone to other teams because the might of the Premier League would have sustained.

23:14Marcus Speller: Someone would actually play, I don't know, Ayubouwadi having paid 86 million for him for more than 10 minutes because they'd have to. Well, it's a Liverpool thing. Yeah. If you spend that much money on Isaac, Wurtz and Barcola and it doesn't work out, you have to wear that. You can't just fob them off for a year and get, you know, three other players. it's fair lots of people are saying it sort of undermines the credibility of the Premier League and watching it as the first game since everything was announced makes it all feel hollow where do you guys stand on that?

23:50I don't know Jim yeah maybe I think a decision has to be made very quickly whether it will which was the case anyway yeah exactly to me I understand the sort of the chain of events you know you make the club bigger and you get bigger signings and that's why they're in a position years later to get Haaland or whoever. I understand the point. For me, it's almost like that ship has sailed. Not that I'm, you know, obviously I was cheekily, you know, Paxman in Vish there, but I understand that I'm not sweeping it under the carpet. To me, it's like, we are where we are, but there's a punishment coming.

24:22Can we get the punishment as soon as possible, please? You know what I mean? Because it affects everybody else. Yes, the ship has sailed, but let's fire a cannonball to sink that ship. All right? How about that?

24:33Marcus Speller: Yeah, but I think that's a great question. And a great analogy. Sorry, it's a better analogy to a good question. Because I want to be curious to hear what you think, but I feel a little bit in limbo. I don't feel like I have a strong opinion of it either way. Because I haven't computed anything either emotionally or upstairs. Yeah, I feel like... Limbo's a good way of putting it, actually, because it does really change the way you watch the game, because it feels like this might actually be kind of meaningless. It might not count. There's a non-zero possibility that they're not playing in the league at all this season.

25:14I mean, I think that's probably unlikely, but it's still on the table as far as we know. And I suppose you just have to exercise a bit of patience, don't you? Because everyone's worried that because it's dragged on for such a long time in the first place, that that will happen again. We've exercised a lot of patience. Indeed. But a little bit more is needed. Everything we're hearing is suggesting that it should be wrapped up in a much quicker timescale, but I suppose we'll see with various challenges to that and stuff. But, yeah, I think you just have to accept it's going to feel a little bit weird for a while, and this is going to be one of those particularly odd seasons.

25:46Talking of the lack of meaning, it certainly meant a lot to Alfinger Haaland. Yes. Who was pumping his fist. I tell you what, all this aside, there were three beautiful goals from Manchester City. They were really good. Haaland obviously missed a chance a little bit before he scored his goal. I mean, I know we expect it from him, but the way he just smashes that ball. It's an absolutely fantastic finish. And then Doku comes on and does his stuff and just, you know.

26:10Marcus Speller: Absolute game changer. The goals got better. He's really good against Liverpool in particular, isn't Doku? Yeah. He's a good player anyway, obviously, but he raises his game against them. But the goals just seem to get better because Haaland just smashes that in. Fantastic finish. Doku does what he does, curls that win in. Superb stuff. and then Cherky's one as you've already mentioned the dummy the give and go and even then when he puts the defender down and just slots it under Alisson it's just like it is taking the piss but I do know what I really don't like that celebration that he does not so much you know Cherky when he stares at the when he sort of stands still and does you know that face okay fine if you're going to do that but when you tell your teammates no no no don't celebrate me I've got to do this first that annoys me I always hate it when players say no no no just give me a bit of room to do some daft celebration Get caught up in the moment Bundle I love a bundle You don't say many bundles anymore Do you?

26:59I know

27:00Marcus Speller: It's probably Load management Oh I just meant in society Oh in society Just in life I feel like if you went onto the tube And shouted Bundle Someone would get involved But I'm too Cowardly to test this I think Does that not show Progress in society That nobody would get involved Yeah maybe you're right You know The great one was of course Covid's taken so much from us It has If you're ever in a dorm room with a load of others, obviously, that's how dorm rooms work. Someone does the old... What do you call those big things you see often in the countryside? We've got the electric cables running through them.

27:36What? Pylon! Whey! That was always the mess up, wasn't it? Yes. Oh, dear. I was involved in one of them in St. Petersburg when we could go. A broken bed was the outcome. Wow. More on that on Uncut on Wednesday. Apparently so. Wow. Carry on Vish.

27:54Marcus Speller: Just to go back on you, when you were saying about players asking for room for celebrations. Yeah, I bet you've done that. No, god no. I'd love to be that good. But I do like it when their teammates ignore them and just like drag them down and start ruffling their hair. And be like, no, you're trying to be cool, and we're going to stop that. Exactly, exactly. Well look, when all of a sudden done, it was a fine victory for Manchester City. And they're top. Big win for the little guy. Big win. Mmm. Big win. Could save him from relegation, we don't know. Good win for the citizens. Arsenal are holding their heels though.

28:30Turned it round against mighty Leeds United 2-1. You see, Leeds United can be beaten. I mean, my goodness. It can be done. But it takes a lot to beat Leeds United these days. It does. It took one of the goals of the weekend. Yeah. From Bruno Guimerej. I was really impressed actually. Sounded a bit like Alex doing there. Bruno Guimerej. Sorry, carry on. I was impressed both with your Alex Turner impression and the character that Arsenal showed to turn that around because honestly from in the stadium, the way they've been playing, which was a little bit flat, a little bit disconnected, like not at their best, it didn't look like that performance was in there and it's nice to see them play like champions as champions.

29:08It's been a while. Is that not a hallmark of this Arsenal side that we've seen? I think so. If there's a stalemate or indeed they're actually up against it, stalemate actually does Leeds United a little bit of a disservice. Obviously they went 1-0 up. could have had the lead at half time Rye makes a save you know some you know vital blocks from Arsenal defenders and what have you but they score two goals the first one I mean the first one was nice although maybe Trafford would be a little bit disappointed Sunderland in his eyes there I think that's part of that yeah possibly yeah it was the second goal I mean give us a ditt against Sunderland you know it's just that same link up him and Rice yeah it's just that ability you have that quality of player who can ping him Noni Maleweko started celebrating that before he'd even shot.

29:50So presumably he does that in training all the time. Yeah. Because he was absolutely right. But yeah, I think you're right. It is a hallmark of Arsenal that they dig and they grind things out when they need to. But I think coming from behind, especially if you concede after about an hour or whatever it was, it's difficult, you know, especially against a team like Leeds, even at home. So based on the way the game had gone before that, I wasn't sure that they'd be able to go through that gear. And then they just did. Yeah. And when you say based against a team like Leeds, you have to say against Daniel Farker's 2026 Leeds United.

30:23Yeah, you do. That is particularly...

30:24Marcus Speller: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that is a really good point. We haven't seen Leeds play like this since they got to the semi-final of the Champions League. They are that good at the moment. And it'll end much better than that. Yes. They've got such a good midfield three. I was saying to Jim before he went on air, like, Tanaka, Stack and Ampadu give you a bit of everything. Tanaka was excellent. Yeah, but they're all quite spicy. You know, without the ball, they've got quality on it as well. Someone like Okafor as well is basically like a left wing outlet. Yes. He normally plays up front with Kavalhoun, but doesn't have to stick to the middle.

31:02Marcus Speller: And then you've got Bogle on the right hand side, who is one of the underrated marauders at wing back. I think he's quite unlucky to not have had some England recognition, actually. Yeah, that is interesting. He, and to be fair, Farkas had this with him for a while. He's almost, you know, if you'll allow me, Jim, he almost does a bit of a Calafuri role for Leeds. Yeah. In that, it's just like, look, go as far forward as you want to go. And he's more on the outside than, than underlapping in the way that Calafuri does. But he's got so much energy. England don't need him. We've got JL Kwanzaa. Yeah, you're right.

31:34Great. It's a good show.

31:35Marcus Speller: You've embarrassed yourself, Jim. Yeah, sorry. Live on YouTube. Once again. Held off by England, Dad. Well, Arsenal, they beat Leeds United 2-1. England, Dad, sorry.

31:48They remain, well, they're in second. They are in second.

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34:35Manchester United won, Tottenham Hotspur won. Fish. Fish. Yeah. Nearly, nearly got that victory against 10-man Spurs.

34:45Marcus Speller: Yeah, and that's the thing about Serbs. They never know when they're beaten. Yeah. You can't take anything for granted. You can't put them away. Generally, Spurs deserved to win this. They were the better football team for most of the game. I said on Friday that where they've been good in patches this season, in an area in front of the back four that United are particularly weak, and it played out. They should have been 2-0 up within 20 minutes. obviously Dominic Solanke misses that chance having been given the ball basically by Lamont and then Maynou they had so many chances Kudis obviously has that shot that's just past the far post and it felt like the only courage I got as the game went on was that Spurs kept messing up so therefore it would be funnier it became funnier that Man Utd might score and take the lead which team did Pete Kearse in this?

35:45Pete Kearse was Man Utd Yeah, so I think we can say... I think, yeah, that's... I think the conclusive evidence of curses. The curse worked. Well, he cursed Michael Carrick in particular, didn't he?

36:00Marcus Speller: And at the end of the game, Carrick was shaking his head, like a man who'd just seen his house fall down. Can't believe I've been done by the Donaldson curse, is what he muttered under his breath, some are suggesting. He's a Geordie like me, why is he? But he's not a Geordie at the same time, like me. I mean he'll be absolutely fuming that they've not beaten a 10 man team though right well as Davish said I mean the performance was poor you know Spurs probably definitely their best performance of the season that's a great finish from Solanke as well by the way yeah it is like really hard to sort of actually get that glance in contact in such a meaningful way I was pleased for him yeah so Spurs best performance of the season so far and as you say Vish you know they're quite profligating for a goal.

36:45Manchester United, like, let's say, you know, Selechi doesn't score that late goal. Nothing changes from Manchester United's point of view. You know, Mbumo, lovely goal to dig that out and go 1-0 up. But again, Manchester United have spent big on certain, but they've got Kunja, Mbumo and Fernandes on the pitch. You've got a chance. You've got those players. They will produce those moments, which is why Manchester United will finish, you know, relegation, you know what I mean? None of that nonsense. They'll finish at least a sort of, upper mid-table kind of thing, which I know people are going, blimey, that's poor.

37:18They've got players who are going to make sure they finish probably in the top 10. But the performance, again, Carrick's just not getting anything out of those players. I think he's under huge pressure. And I do wonder, like, if this doesn't improve by the next international break, by Chris, you know, January transfer. It is a totally familiar pattern, Jim. You're absolutely right. And I just, who can get something out of this? Because last season, when he comes in, you're following Ruben Amarim. It's a bit like if you see, you know, some terrible support acts, you're gagging for the main band to come on.

37:52It might be not a band that you particularly like or whatever, but, oh, there's one or two hits that I recognise. Yeah, that's not bad. Oh, actually, do you know what? In comparison, they're really, really good. Let's go and see them again. Of course, you see them again and you're reminded, yeah, but I'm not that bothered by this band. It was very much contextual. And that's what Carrick was last season. Stop playing coffee and TV.

38:09Marcus Speller: Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know what you mean. Yeah. And so this season, when he's the festival headliner, it's like, it's just not quite happening. And I wish him all the best. He's an English manager in the Premier League. They're a rare breed. That's all it takes. That's all it takes. Stand by your men, Jim. All England dad needs. No, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, in the summer, things were looking pretty bright. You know, the last season ended well. They're in the Champions League. We are sat here on the 12th of October, and it's perfectly reasonable to say they need to start beating teams who are down to 10.

38:42Not very good team. Teams who are in the relegation who are down to ten men at home. If they can start getting some results in that context, they might be alright. And they're winning and going into injury time. I know what you mean. A team's just going to start with ten so they can rest someone. I don't know. But the fact is, Roberto De Zerbi has claimed he kissed Ben Denkoor and thanked him for getting the red card. And he said, you know, we needed this type of reaction. Obviously, they got the equalizer, so you can say all this stuff. But Deserby didn't seem that put out by this red card, from what he says, whether we believe that or not.

39:15Obviously, again, the equalizer does inform the post-match chat. But the fact is, when that red card happens, Spurs do need to go, right, okay. And they had the room in the game to do it. It was highlighted on match of the day, the midfielders, how, was it Shearer or Murphy who were highlighting that they were all in a straight line. And Manchester United was so easy to pass through. The space Spurs had in that midfield. And the thing is, Vish, how many midfielders do they need to sign now? Well, how many, how many, you know, I just, you know, Luke was saying, you know, a few years ago, they seem like the unmanageable club.

39:54It's just the same, the same, the same. And the midfield seems impossible to get right. So many different managers have tried it.

40:00Marcus Speller: Yeah. But I think, for the first time in a while, they have the right midfielders for the role that they've been lacking previously, which is a deep-lying breaker-up of things. Telemans is a good player, no doubt. It's not Telemans though, is it? Right, okay, sorry, okay. He hasn't... So Telemans, when he did well at Aston Villa, he was surrounded at any one time by McGinn, Kamara, Onana, basically people who, even Ramsey actually before he went to Newcastle, people who were energetic. They'd let him play. Exactly. And that was his role. And it wasn't because he was lazy. It was because what he did or his ability to do things that he did, which was be creative, far exceeded what those people around him could do.

40:44Marcus Speller: That was his job. Yeah. In this thing, in this thing, in this setup, he's alongside Manu who also wants the ball. Him and Manu, when they have the ball, they play well together, but neither of them can go get the ball. Yes. And right in front of them is Bruno Fernandes, who always wants the ball, who always wants to be playing with the ball, who's had a really strange start to the season. It sounds like he's carrying an injury which George Jesus during the international break described as complicated, which is never a good thing. But basically, someone like Carlos Balebo can come in and potentially do that role.

41:16Marcus Speller: But it's clear that Manchester United had that issue. And the reason they did so well at the back end of last season was not only because they were playing a game every eight days. it's because in Casemiro who admittedly doesn't have legs was just playing as a defensive midfielder and that worked really well and the fact that there was so much made of the fact that he was going at the end of the season he had a lovely send-off but it was clear that that was a position that they needed to sort quickly and the thing that I find extra confusing is admittedly it was a World Cup summer but it feels like Manchester United are unfitter than they were at the start of last season Yeah, the running stats are sort of bearing that out.

41:54Marcus Speller: Why do you think that is? It might have been because, maybe it was because of the World Cup, and also, I've made this point before, but when they started last season, they were incredibly fit, because Amaran was playing such a crazy system, and actually he needed them to be fit. But with the World Cup stuff, other than Martinez, who's gone deep in the tournament? Yeah, I don't know. I'm giving it as an excuse. It feels like they haven't worked on any of the conditioning side of the game, well, certainly as much of it as they should have done. and it bears out. I mean, T.E.L.M. and Belgium, what did they get?

42:24The quarterfinals? He got injured. Which is about 10 games into it in these World Cups. I mean, Kobi Mayne had a rest.

42:31Marcus Speller: Yeah, obviously, Jorodin goes to the World Cup. Maguardin goes to the World Cup. Yeah, it's a strange thing, but they look kind of ill-equipped physically and also, I think Karik is trying to be too tactical, which is creating this situation where If you had that team on a game of EAFC, you'd be like, brilliant. This looks like it could go really well. The reality is, it's just that midfield is not enough energy there. Another problem as well is there's not enough cover for Luke Shaw. And the new Call of Duty comes out on the 23rd of October. Yeah, it gets closer and closer. He's going to be missing for some time.

43:07That is a consideration.

43:09Marcus Speller: The thing I was going to say also about Spurs is, De Zerbe saying that he kissed Benton Kerr, or that he did kiss Benton Kerr, as much as like a volatile character would love that kind of thing. It does speak to a bit more team spirit there. I know what you mean. I think he said the right thing because I think it takes the heat off Ben Tocor in some way, which is odd because usually, well, this season, Roberto De Zerbi's post-match press conferences have not put the club and the team in the best light. So maybe he's turned a corner, right? I don't know. But I think it's good management, isn't it?

43:41Well, you have to say. That's a positive. So keep it one. You know what I mean? There is absolutely no reason. and sort of throw any kind of... Should we all get a red card next game? No, no, let's just... Red cards in moderation is maybe the message. I don't know. But look, again, looking at the Spurs side, you know, with that team, quite obviously, more can be got out of them. And what you saw at Old Trafford, I think, you know, they've had spells in games up until this match. And then you've had that capitulation and the collapse. One nil down, down to 10 men. you've got to give them enormous credit for getting a point there.

44:18You know, we've been... Well, I don't think we've been harsh on Spurs. You're just saying what you see. And this game was, you know, another... You know, this is what we're doing here. Because to dig a point out there... Because the disappointment of going 1-0 down and being in that position down to 10 minutes while at Old Trafford, they could have really gone, we should have won this game. They could have really... Why does it always happen to us? Indeed, they're the same against Villa. Yes. In pretty much every game Spurs have played this season, they've had a really good period. and they've not been able to sustain it.

44:47Well, but this one though, it was quite clearly they were the better team on the pitch. But that's what I mean though. And then they still find themselves 1-0 down and they don't let themselves get in that funk despite being down to a man. They still get something out of it. They've actually done what they've kind of been doing all season and tripping up on, on hard mode, but pulled it off. But they did it for far longer in the game. And I think with Solanka getting that goal, I think that's huge for him because having missed two presentable chances to get that goal you hope for him that his confidence is up then because again if they can put away some of these chances they're creating then you know they will start to see the results turn around it's big time for Solanke isn't it because that season he had for Bournemouth where he scored a lot of goals is a bit of an outlier in his career and it's not gone how he would have wanted to at Spurs largely because of injury so this is an opportunity now he's fit again being the main man in that position potentially to kind of get back on track get back on track the old Calvert-Lewin highway The old Calvert-Loon Highway.

45:45Marcus Speller: You know, they're off to Marbella today, I think. I saw that, yeah. Who spurs? Yeah, because they're playing next on Monday. So, I mean, it's generally a great idea because De Zerbe's taking them to Spain basically to get the whole squad together. If you think of how late some of the additions were, the World Cup when everyone's snotted, it's quite a good way of getting to know each other. And meanwhile, Manchester United are on their way to Spain to get torn up by Diego Simeone. That's not what you want. So they've seen a gap in the schedule and thought, right, where are we going? A bit like what you and Pete did the other week.

46:14Marcus Speller: Exactly like that. Let's hope they wear nice shirts on a night out. They should do. Have a lovely dinner with each other. Lovely. He still cursed your team after that. I know. After all that. Chelsea 5, Bournemouth 1. Wow. Yep. Hendo. Goals. And some of them scored by Jordan Henderson. We've come to expect this from Chelsea. I thought he was going to say Henderson. Well, at Stamford Bridge, he scored that absolute rasper for Liverpool, did he not? it's funny because when this happened obviously it was it was a 3pm kickoff and you kind of keep it up with it and someone's going was one of them a penalty hang on the man can hit them from distance at Stamford Bridge specifically yeah and did he not again Vish did he not again he did were you pleased for him you know what yeah come on I was actually would you like to apologise you know for some of the stuff you said no yeah okay no you know our policy on apologising yeah sometimes do it no never do it alright yeah Never apologize, never explain.

47:13We are like the Raw family. In so many ways.

47:19Marcus Speller: Eww.

47:24Marcus Speller: You know what? We love a pizza express. We do, yeah. Carry on. I'm the one that sweats. None of these lot do. Oh, I don't. Can I just say Beckham-esque for the first one? Oh, like that. What about the second one as well? I mean, yeah, that was... Challenge the spirit of David Beckham. David Beckham's alive and well at the time of recording, by the way. But you can still challenge the spirit of a man who's alive, can't you? Yeah, I suppose, yeah, obviously, free kick. The first one was a bit Ebereche Eze last season against Newcastle United. A little bit. A little bit. Just a little dose of that.

48:00Marcus Speller: I don't think it was unreasonable to posit that, because of how young Chelsea's squad was, getting someone like Henderson and Welbert was to add a bit of experience in there. Not least because of what we saw before he decided to break his arm during the World Cup, that he was basically there as a designated adult to buy everyone beer. And then for him to start, great, but also to clearly have quite a strong influence on someone like Cole Palmer and the team around him. We should also say, and I'm not taking anything away from Jordan Henderson. Because you can't. Yeah. But the fact that Caicedo was back and playing...

48:38Marcus Speller: You go up, have a little wonder, I'll stay here and marshal everything. Well, I think... It's only his second appearance of the season. That's been what they've been missing, right? In those games where they haven't just blown the team they're playing away. Caicedo coming back is a game changer for them, I think. Oh, there's no doubt about that. But with Henderson, though, you've got to be pleased for him. And Alonso said on Henderson, We signed him for everything. And if he's able to score two beauties, we are more than happy for him. That sounds like you wrote that. It does a bit, which I thought we've got to include that.

49:07It's always nice to hear somebody refer to goals as beauties. It's quite tabloid, isn't it? A little bit. Scoring two beauties. Yeah, careful, Jim. Getting back to the Royal Family there. Yeah, so Jordan Henderson had a lovely old time. Morgan Rodgers, again, he'll score goals. João Pedro as well. And it was, who was it that made the mistake?

49:25Marcus Speller: Every week it's just wiser that Brazil didn't take him to the World Cup. Oh my goodness. Well done, Carlo. Was it, it was down the left side, was it Silva who was coming across who should have got it away for Bournemouth when he was trying to make that clearance? I think it was Silva. Anyway, whoever it was and it's pounced upon across to Israel Pedro and it's one of those finishes that's like, if you make any mistake in this league, bang! It's like properly like, normally I'd have just stroked that into the net but I'm trying to teach you a lesson there. Ah, fabulous finish. Welcome to the big leagues, son.

49:54The biggest of all the leagues. But yeah, so I mean, all that was missing really from this Chelsea performance was a Cole Palmer goal. But of course, he didn't take the free kick at the end. It was Jordan Henderson and Cole Palmer apparently, according to Henderson, said to him, which corner are we celebrated in? And he pointed to it and then goes up and does that. And that's what, you can see Henderson pointing to him like, I'm sorry about that.

50:17Marcus Speller: There's also, you know, they talked about they were taking free kicks together in training. They said they practiced that. Of the keeper obviously thinking, Palmer's going to take it and then Henderson was going to have a curl. Yeah, which is an interesting one because they'll presumably both go to the same corner. Yeah. Palmer would whip it into the near post but I suppose the curl would be different, wouldn't it? Well, we're the goalkeeper. I mean, if Palmer's taken that free kick because of the side of it is, you've... He will move more over to that side. He'll go slightly more central. Yeah, okay, fine, yeah.

50:51Because... No, hang on. The position of the goal... Henderson with his right foot is only going to go in one corner, whereas Palmer could go goalkeeper's side, if you see what I mean.

51:00Marcus Speller: Well, Hendo could reverse it, couldn't he? Which feels more common from that side. Beckham against Aston Villa. Well, yeah. Or a way to Everton. But Henderson's better than David Beckham. We've established that. At some things. Yeah. At some things. He will get... Jordan Henderson, put it on record, will get a knighthood quicker than David Beckham. He won't have to message his PA. Those emails don't need to be leaked. That's right, that's right. He'll just get one. Yeah, because when Beckham was at the South Africa World Cup in 2010, he was like the cheerleader for the team, and he was in his suit and so on.

51:32Henderson's doing that while as a player. It's Beckham looking at the royal family going, hmm, some quite unedifying family drama there. Hmm. Hmm. Maybe this is what I need to get my knife. Yeah, you're not saying sorry. Be honest. Are you sorry? Who knows? Who absolutely knows? O-B-E honest.

51:53Marcus Speller: Just looking through the list. I thought I'd done that.

51:58Chelsea's defence have been in question this season. They didn't keep a clean sheet here. Poor old Emi Martinez. He's trying his best. He looked so disappointed when that goal went in. He was like, I'm crying out loud. And it was Evan Nielsen's first goal of the season. Kicked against his shin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. No other team has conceded more than them this season with 13 goals. Which is a crazy stat. I know where it's early days, Jim. I think ultimately Kaissoude will make a difference to that. But it is something they need to fix, clearly. I mean, they had three bad results in a row, and everyone's like, oh, maybe they're not going to be a title contender.

52:34And they are eight points away from Man City asterisk at the top. But they're only seven points. It's early to rule them out of that, though, isn't it? They're only seven points above Spurs in relegation. Well, quite. Just highlighting how early these days are. Indeed, indeed. But I'm enjoying you looking at the table. I know Luke normally has a go at me. But the table always counts for something, I argue. That is one of my big arguments.

52:53Marcus Speller: should we be concerned for Marco Rosa and Bournemouth well this is an interesting one still winless in the Premier League we are going to talk about Fulham in a minute but with Bournemouth and this is me saying this as a Fulham fan I'm more concerned about Fulham say than I would be about Bournemouth but that's probably because that means more to me so I don't know I've looked at Bournemouth and I don't think I mean I know they've conceded a lot of goals but I just feel they've not played that badly. Do you see what I mean? But that's also true of Fulham, isn't it? So I've seen more of Fulham.

53:31So I would say, well, fine. You've seen the standards these little non-red cartel losers accept.

53:36Marcus Speller: I know, yeah. Embarrassing. It is embarrassing. You need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. We do. Well, if we can give us our bootstraps back, we will. But, I mean, Marco Rosa was asked about being under pressure and he said, I know this business. I can deal with it. I may have cherry-picked some of those quotes But he said those words. I hope he used the tone that you used. Yeah. That would fill me with confidence as a Bournemouth fan. Don't worry. It's mad that... I know what I'm doing. The two victories so far this season have come against Lincoln City in the League Cup. Yeah. Real Saucyadad in the Europa League.

54:07Who are you? What are we doing with this? Yeah. Real Saucyadad. They've got AC Milan turning up soon as well.

54:13Marcus Speller: It's a Saucyadad away from home, by the way. It was, yeah. It's San Sebastien. You've been there. Yeah. You can vouch how beautiful the place is. Gorgeous. very delicious very delicious a delicious city is the takeaway from that you won't find that on TripAdvisor but you will find it here I think with Bournemouth I think they'll be alright but again I'm from the outside looking in but it depends on what that what alright means though because that not relegated yeah that's exactly what it sounds like and that's not a conversation that any Bournemouth fan would have wanted to be having at this point based on last season it's always you know difficult when a manager like Arreola leaves but they've dealt with this before and they've dealt with it well, they're a well-run club.

54:51They've got some very good players in there, but it is looking like the, you know, the bad scenario that felt possible in the summer, isn't it, right now? Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt, conceding 13, as I say, only Chelsea have conceded 13 as well in the league. That is a problem. But with Bournemouth, I mean, the difficulty for the likes of Bournemouth and Fulham, who we're going to talk about in just a moment, is that Ipswich are winning. They're showing something. We expect more from Coventry, But still...

55:21Marcus Speller: I don't think we expect much more. Yeah, so maybe Coventry's... Hull are the ones, clearly. Even though they're on the same points as Ipswich. Those two have shown something. And it's hard to make a case for who's going to get relegated. I thought at the start, I thought it was a really difficult one to pick. So if you are Fulham and you are Bournemouth, you're thinking, you know, actually, the new manager hasn't quite clicked in yet. That's rather concerning. So, yeah, you're right. I get why you're pushing back on me there, Jim. because, you know, I can say, oh, well, I think they'll be all right.

55:51But easy to say that. I don't think Bournemouth will get relegated. So it's kind of like, well, who do you think are going to relegated? I'm like, well, right now, Coventry. Sadly, my beloved Fulham, I think, you know, are heading for that.

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57:41Hipswich 2, Fulham 1. Go on, talk to us. Yeah, I mean, great win for Ipswich Town and the manner of it as well. You know, Sir Alex Ferguson used to... The manner is great for them and damning for Fulham, right? Sir Alex Ferguson used to talk about the importance of winning games late and just the feeling it gives everybody. Well, I mean, you could see it in the stands there. Ipswich Town on nine points at this stage of the season. They would have bitten all your hands and appendages off for that, would they have not? Are you still talking about the Royal Family? Yeah, I'm trying to imagine the scenario in which that would...

58:17them biting my... After six games...

58:19Marcus Speller: Also, you having offered it. Yeah. And then, like, yes, I'll bite it all off. And so we'll have nine points after six games now, will we? Yeah, I guess I can sort that out. It's not a good deal for me, this. Here's a hand. All really them, nine points from six games. Yeah. How about half the points? But Vish, be honest with me, right? Be honest. Yeah. You didn't think Ipswich would have nine points after six games. And if you say you did, you're a big liar. I don't think Vish thought about it in that much depth. Yeah, thank you. That's really safe. Yeah, generally not. So I suppose I wouldn't have thought it.

58:53Marcus Speller: Yeah, okay. Well, I didn't really want a member of the jury chiming in there while I was cross-examining the witness. And he's a eunuch now as well. Is he really? My goodness. I thought he'd gone up a bit. What have Ipswich had done to him? Yes, indeed. Well, look, it's an impressive start to the season. I mean, the Ipswich were... So with Coventry, when I say we expect a little bit more, just you know they've lost that amount of games obviously they've won one just before the break but with with Ipswich again you could be forgiven for thinking well they're going to be the whipping boys this season and again it's early days but they've got some quality in there haven't they and they've got sensible Gary O 'Neal Gary O 'Neal when they start the season while everyone's working themselves out and some people are being really silly and there's a lot of nonsense going on you can do a lot worse than sensible Gary O 'Neal yes you can and if you've got a player like Uetara who's going to score goals like that then you've got more than half a chance.

59:45That was a stunning strike wasn't it? The way it swerves into the corner. I mean the problem is with what Fulham do is they seem to be in this sort of zone of if you get ahead then you just retreat and sit very very deep and they obviously thought it was going to work against Ipswich. The writing was on the wall. Ipswich was trying to batter down the door and Fulham are not particularly great at the back. Even under Marco Silva, defence wasn't really the strength. It wasn't bad, but it was never really the strength. So I don't know why they're doing this and if Arbeloa has indeed instructed them to do it.

1:00:21I don't know.

1:00:22Marcus Speller: Does it not speak to a bit that Arbeloa, I feel like Arbeloa plays, or uses Fulham in a way that he doesn't understand their actual players, but in his head has this idea of how games pan out. So this, I think, this is what might do for Arbeloa because the Fulham fan base, I mean, people had already sort of turned on him. I would be surprised if you've got any Arbeloa defenders within Fulham, the Fulham community. Well, yeah, because, as Vicious is saying there, there are periods of the game where Fulham looked pretty good, you know, and they press from the front, and look, they created chances against Ipswich.

1:00:58I mean, even when they went 2-1 down, you know, Kevin misses a chance. It's a good save. I don't think it was a sitter or anything, but still it was a chance created. and there were one or two other moments you know Oscar Bob might have done better I mean talking about Spurs Fulham have not been good in front of goal as well which is quite damning if you're conceding a lot and you're not scoring you know you don't need to have watched an episode of the Crystal Maze to know what a deficit is Jim so I think with Fulham right now yes it's all very well saying we can put 20 or 30 minutes together any team in the Premier League can put 20 or 30 minutes together because if you're playing football in the Premier League, you're a very, very good footballer.

1:01:38Every team in the league has spent a lot of money. We're seeing this season in particular. There are no whipping boys, really, unless you want to say it's full of more country. And so, that's what I mean. In the sort of context of Bournemouth as well, although I think Bournemouth are better, you can say, okay, well, there's a bit of something there. There's a bit of something there. That was what was so encouraging for Spurs at Old Trafford. They put a whole game together, really, and were unlucky not to win. and obviously the sending off comes into play there. With Fulham, it's not good enough to play half an hour well.

1:02:07It's not even good enough to play just one half. You've got to be at it the whole game. You're not going to dominate a whole 90 minutes unless you are Manchester City or Arsenal. But right now, to lose a game, particularly in that manner, and as I say, the writing was on the wall. It wasn't a smash and grab job from Ipswich. They deserved at least a point, probably, you know, all three according to Gary Neal, but you might say that. Yes, on another day, Fulham might have got something. But to retreat in that manner, you know it's a damning loss and Fulham the worry is there and to be honest if it carries on like this Arbeloa for the many people who betted he would be the first to go I think that's looking a pretty safe bet right now yeah it's looking pretty straightforward on that front isn't it is there a sense that you can you can see what Fulham are trying to do from the front yes but I mean if you look at the defence I mean Anderson Joachim Anderson has been a mainstay for Fulham now he had a bit of a bad start to the season.

1:03:01But he's still a decent defender. Now, Affengruber has come in, and he's solid as well. Anderson's lost his place straight away. And I think that's probably because of the way Arbeloa wants to play. And I think he wants to try and do some. My worry is he's wanting to try and do something with Fulham that just can't quite be done. And I think, you know, because with Silva, they were often on the front foot, but there was a practical side to what Silva did. And it was always going to be difficult to follow a manager who had such sort of relative success. Was it five years? Yeah, at least, yeah. And so with, you know, it was a long time, especially in Premier League terms as well, for a club like Fulham in particular as well.

1:03:40I mean, an hour below it, when he was asked about, are you feeling the pressure? He said, no, maybe you don't know me, but I played for the best team in the world. I've coached the best team in the world. Maybe you don't know, but just to let you know that pressure is a part of my life since I was a kid. I think pressure is something that is important for me and I like it. I mean, how does that make you feel as a fan? Well, get a load of me. I'm Mr. Real Madrid.

1:03:59Marcus Speller: I coached the biggest team in the world who then sacked me, but I didn't feel a thing. Okay. And I think that it was a gamble. But that speaks to... Do you not think that... Sorry to interrupt you there, but do you think that also speaks to a level of arrogance there? Well, indeed. People have said that. I've been at Real Madrid. I know how they work. Yeah, it's not relevant here, though, is it? Yeah, exactly. Okay, mate. What do you want to do with Vinicius and Rodrigo and whatever else? Give it to Bellium in the middle. As you say, it doesn't work like that because they've got really good attacking players there.

1:04:40Marcus Speller: Utilise them in a certain way. Organise them when you don't have the ball. And can I ask as well, very quickly, just because he's come up against his old team, were you surprised that Fulham got rid of Lukic? I was a little bit, if I'm honest, because I think Lukic was a handy player and he was solid. And I thought when Ipswich signed him and Issa Diop, I thought, you know what? That actually makes me think that is two signings that are probably going to play a big part if they are to stay up this season. I thought it was very canny. Lukic, he didn't go for that much money. He's never one that's going to excel in the midfield.

1:05:16He's not that eye-catching.

1:05:17Marcus Speller: He's 30 as well now, isn't he? But often Silva would play him and Berger in the midfield if you needed a bit of steel in there. And I think it shows you with Arbeloa, it's, no, no, we're going to be more expressive. We're going to play a bit more. And in one sense, if that works, great. You know, and if you are a bit, you're a bit of a team that often get into, you know, the old basketball matches and it's kind of like, okay, that can be exciting, but you've got to win some games. And some of the sloppy errors and some of these results, this was a huge game for Fulham because you're thinking, right, you've got a slightly kinder run now than they've had at the start of the season.

1:05:52but you go back to the home defeat against Palace you lose here pressure's on then it's enormous but I think the likes of Ipswich will be very pleased to see Fulham losing games because what you want if you're thinking are we going to look over our shoulder you want a team to be losing loads because something to build on lovely underfloor heating aren't they alright but one team who thought to themselves we might be looking over our shoulder this season was Crystal Palace and they've had some sloppy results but they beat Noddington Forest 3-1 on the weekend in a game which does feel like a derby match now.

1:06:28Yeah, it does. All because of the narrative around it. Palace are great for that. They are. It's like the Brighton thing, isn't it? Well, this is how that derby was created, yeah, and you feel that this game is going to have a bit of spice to it in years to come as well. Oliver Glasner got the treatment from the Palace fans, it's fair to say, and he said after the game, today it looks like it is just me who is responsible for this. Call it karma or whatever. But it was like I didn't deserve to win at Selhurst Park because the players did everything. His own players he's talking about there. And on another day they might have done because Liam De Lappe had a great chance.

1:07:02Yeah, he did. I mean, you have to give the goalkeeper credit. People say, well, it's straight at him. The fact is if you save a shot with the odds stacked in the striker's favour and he hits it that hard you've got to give the keeper immense credit. My goodness, De Lappe's got to score that. I've got such unfair expectations of Liam De Lappe in my mind. We all do. Every time I'm seeing Take a Chance, I'm like, there's a bloke here who scored 91 goals for England. You've got to be at least as good as that in about two years. So can you finish that, please?

1:07:34Marcus Speller: Get this all out of your system now. Don't mind it. We're going to need you in 2029. Thinking Nations League like it. Yeah, exactly. I think there was a bit of flair he wanted to impart on that. and I feel like if he'd have nailed it do you remember Eze scored I think also four palettes he scored a scissor kick from I think that same end actually from about that far out just outside the six yard box and it looked fucking cool it was like right this is yeah that's a bit of flair there and I feel like he wanted to do that in a real emphatic way and he would have just grown because he gets a header after that chance and completely fluffs it at the far post but I think it was an embarrassing miss really embarrassing because the way it sits up for him Yeah, because he has so many options.

1:08:21Marcus Speller: Because it hits the bar so clearly off that Gibbs White shot that actually he can take a touch. Bounces up, he can take a touch and almost kind of like sit the keeper down again and put it in. Yeah, you simply have to score that. It was a bad one. The goalkeeper's instinctual thing of like getting up off the ground immediately for the second save is what helps him make the save that he doesn't actually know about. Yeah. Great win for Palace though. They were really bad. They were really, really bad. Palace. Yeah, early on definitely. You're not feeling the second half? That's one of the worst...

1:08:52Marcus Speller: That was almost as bad as Man United in the first half of their game on Saturday afternoon. I take your point. I do take your point. It was surprisingly like... Do you think this papers over some cracks then? Yeah, massively. I think it papers over a lot of Jefferson Lerma playing as one of three centre backs cracks. Yeah, okay. They've got such a strange team for how they're going to play. So when they won at Fulham, I'm sorry to go on about Fulham, but when they won at Fulham, like, I mean, Fulham really did hand it to them. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And so I think with Palace, ah, yeah.

1:09:23Do you think they're going to struggle is ultimately where I'm going to get to with this.

1:09:26Marcus Speller: Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, we were earlier discussing who the teams, who are the teams that might go down or might be threatened with relegation. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they're in the wrong set. As the table evens out when we get into double figure games, I wouldn't be surprised if they're down there. Yeah. Down there, Jim. Down all the way in that football league, eh? That's where we're going now. That's a bit of League One chat, dear. Yeah, go on then. Robbie Savage. Oh, what? You signed up for it. Look at the small print. He's loving... Never pick the mystery box.

1:10:00It's always Robbie Savage. He's loving life in League One. Manager of Peterborough United, of course. They beat Russell Martins Leicester City 3-1 on the weekend. Did you see them celebrating with the away fans in the corner? He was like, come on, all as one. He was doing the fist pumping. He was, you know, there in his, in his, it looked like the type of black t-shirt and sort of tracksuit bottoms that you might wear on a Sunday afternoon curling up to watch Super Sunday. But they also probably cost about 700 quid. Probably. And he is a fine figure of a man lest we forget. But the fact is, Jimmy, he was leading the charge and he couldn't get enough of it.

1:10:35And I thought to myself, fair play Robbie like an Afghan hound with two dicks exactly exactly and where can we go from that I think we've got to end the show we promised Luke we wouldn't mention Southampton beating Portsmouth 1-0 having been down to 10 men in the first half so we won't mention that at all thanks for listening to the Football Ramble part of the ACAST Creator Network Vish you and I are going to be back on this thing called the Football Ramble tomorrow previewing Champions League reviewing Newcastle United and Coventry City which is happening tonight and you know we might chuck in a few gags as well damn and all let's hope not but we might do

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