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3:48Pete Donaldson: with the rhythm and the rhyme everybody welcome to the football rabble preview show Liverpool host Forrest and the Champions League draw is in it's Friday 28th of August I'm Marcus Speller I'm Pete Donaldson and I'm Jim Campbell

4:12Pete Donaldson: Hey! Friday time Hello Hello, everybody. Howdy. Howdy indeed to our American listeners. To our cowboy or cowgirl listeners. Top of the morning to the Irish ones. Yeah, absolutely. What's the Japanese one? Ohayou gozaimasu. Good morning. There we go. Aha. Not konichiwa. Kanbara. Kanbara. You can do it. What does konichiwa mean? That means good afternoon. Oh, does it? You're right to do a more general one. I wouldn't want to offend them and not think that they're listening in the morning. Gentlemen, it is Friday. It is. It is Friday. I bloody love Friday, Marcus. Do you know what that means? Premier League football is very close at hand.

4:51Pete Donaldson: It is. It is very, very close. It's happening all weekend. It starts tonight. It ends on Monday evening. It's a long Premier League weekend. It sounds like a very generic intro. Except when they talk about wrestling on the telly. Yeah, I'm just killing time. No, we're not. We're going to dive straight in. Liverpool versus Nottingham Forest.

5:10Jim Campbell: Oh, my Barkley sense is tingling. Do you think? Yeah. Go on, then. I just think this is going to be really fun. Ah, why is that? It's early on, everybody's fresh, teams haven't quite figured themselves out yet, so it makes the games a little bit unpredictable. We had a brilliant opening weekend, and I think a lot of that was because not everybody's settled yet. The owners are busy, buying and selling. Totally, there are new signings that may or may not appear, new combinations being forged, and obviously last season this was a really interesting fixture. It could well be very different this season, but Andoni Uriola is a very exciting manager.

5:46Jim Campbell: Oliver Glasner is less exciting a bit but very good. He's very good at making his teams play quite entertaining football and they're both getting to grips with their squads and it's Anfield and it's the early kickoff. I think this has all the ingredients to completely obliterate some barns. Yum yum.

6:02Pete Donaldson: Peter, could we have a differing opinion just for some balance? Why shouldn't people watch this? I think there's just too much to think about. I think the players will play within themselves and it will become and remain as stodgy as a bad cake. Okay, good. Well, I'm glad we got that. Liverpool, of course, the big news coming out of Anfield is they've reached an agreement in principle. In principle. In principle. Principles are very important in football, I've come to realise over the years. Over the signing of Bradley Barcola from Paris Saint-Germain. Maybe it was my Barcola sense. Maybe it was, Jim.

6:35Pete Donaldson: Maybe it was. Yes, PSG had originally valued Barcola around£140 million. But the total package, and it is a package these days, is expected to be less than that. It will be at least 100 million, potentially as much as 120 million. I'm getting a bit annoyed with all this add-ons chat, because you go, oh, he's going to go for 120 million. Well, actually, with the add-ons. What if he wins the lottery? Yeah. You know, that's an add-on.

6:57Jim Campbell: Exactly, Pete. Maybe that's part of the package. Yeah, we'll give you three lottery tickets every month. Yeah, exactly. You've got a direct debit like yours truly. Do you think it's like...

7:07Pete Donaldson: Do you have a direct debit for the lottery?

7:08Jim Campbell: Yeah, I do as well, for the EuroMillions. because I could become a multi-millionaire at any point and you can't. That's the point.

7:14Pete Donaldson: Can I benefit from this?

7:16Jim Campbell: No. Do your own direct debit. How much would you have to win to give me, say, 50 grand? 50 grand? We're talking... Well, I do the Euro millions, so it would be... How much is that? Well, I mean, it can be anywhere between, like, let's say, Liam DeLapp and Bradley Barclay in terms of what you might win. And how does one get involved in this? You can have a DeLapp. I'll take it. You're on the dilap scale of it all. Only one of them's going to play for England, mate. It's a good point. It's a very good point. Do you get the sense that Liverpool just kind of really enjoyed that Isaac purchase last season?

7:50It's like, we just want to... We're just enjoying the shopping, to be honest. Don't forget Vertica item. Big ticket items. It's a good feeling, isn't it, when you bought something massive? There's a woman in Japan who bought£120 million, maybe dollars, worth of anime merch. Oh, my God. And she had no intention of paying for any of it. So in Japan you can buy stuff at the door, you get your delivery and you pay cash at the door for the product when it gets delivered. And she just said, no, that's not me, I didn't order it. But she just enjoyed the act of buying$120 million worth of stuff.

8:24Jim Campbell: And you think someone in the Liverpool transfer team has gone, that's fine. Maybe, yeah. The shopaholics gym. Well, he's here now.

8:32Pete Donaldson: We're not paying you for him. Do you think Florian Wurtz, obviously, he's done okay, but he's not done as well as one would have hoped last season. Obviously, he's still young, though, because you've got to buy potential these days. There's no finished article in football these days.

8:46Jim Campbell: Apart from when there is, and you also have to pay a fortune for that. Indeed, yes. As long as they're a decent age.

8:50Pete Donaldson: Yeah. Or even that's going on. You know, Bruno Guillemot by now is the finished article, for example. But obviously, Barkela is a very, very, very, very good player. But do you think it's like, oh, Virts didn't really work on that sort of more left-sided attack. Let's throw a load more money at it. It does seem slightly... For all that money for a player who obviously is very, very good,

9:13Jim Campbell: I am slightly surprised by this. I don't think you can... I know you're not necessarily doing this, but I don't think you can criticise Liverpool for the fee just because the transfer window has gone so mad this summer. I think we've seen inflation within this window in a way that we probably haven't in others. And like PSG weren't budging, right? That was just what he was going to cost. There was obviously no way to get him down. Even though they've signed Magnus Aklejus and Mika Godz for the wings as well and Ferran Torres who can also play there. So like they almost had a little bit of a problem here with Barclay.

9:45Jim Campbell: It's like, well, you've got to shift him. Well, Barclay wasn't starting as much as he was. But he was still their top scorer in League 1.

9:53Pete Donaldson: But Kravitzkirlia is obviously the man who's on the left there. And that's what I mean with Liverpool. it's sort of as everyone's right side you know with obviously Salah leaving

10:03Jim Campbell: well I mean yeah they're still talking about being in the market for players they're looking at Yacouba Minta and Ismail Assar as well potentially but yeah I mean it's going to cost a bit of money to clear him out but this fee

10:15Pete Donaldson: you know is enormous and again I understand with Barca he's a brilliant player and if he's on you know it's almost like with a little bit different but with say like when Arsenal got a bit of criticism because Vinicius Junior apparently was available even though he wasn't really and he was probably doing it to negotiate a better contract. So when a player like that comes available, you've just got to go, yeah, okay, we're interested. There's certain players you're going to be interested in whoever you've got in your squad sort of thing. And that was almost half, you know, not shirt sales, but you know what I mean?

10:45Like a brand builder. I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

10:48Pete Donaldson: And so with Liverpool, again, Liverpool have in principle signed a phenomenal player, right? So that's always a good thing to do in football, right? Is to get really good players in team. I take the point, I just, for the money, for what will be expected from Barclay now, you know, when he eventually does play at Anfield, there will be a lot of expectation. For that amount of money, you're buying someone who is going to really kind of kick you on. And it hasn't quite worked with Wurtz or Isaac. I appreciate, though, that that's the first season, if we're going to be generous and say that could come good and so on and so forth.

11:28Pete Donaldson: Add injury fees, I can do it. Yeah, of course. Yeah, very, very important to say that. I know people say, oh, transfer fees, you know, don't really mean much and so on. But financial regulations do mean something, you know. So, yeah, I'm just a teeny bit surprised, I suppose. I'm not scathing of it. Again, I get it. But just a little bit of me slightly surprised, especially when he plays on the left. On that right side is really the game we get. a little bit yeah it looks like Gakbo's on and out obviously sure well they're gonna have to settle I always liked him in a kind of like can you just work a bit harder and stop shooting on side please I like him

12:05Jim Campbell: he's a really good opportunity for somebody I think so he got nine goals last season but that was in a campaign where most of the players in that team underperformed for whatever reason season before that was 18 season before that was 16 for Liverpool you start getting a sense of could a new manager get something out of him absolutely yeah I think like I wonder if in an ideal world would keep him, but he's just the option that's going to bring in the biggest transfer fee. Because I think he's a really good player. He'll want a lot of money in as well, personally. Absolutely. I think, you know, certainly he is one of those players that sometimes can be a little bit frustrating and miss his chances.

12:39Jim Campbell: You think he should score. But, you know, those numbers speak for themselves from those previous two seasons. Yes, indeed.

12:46Pete Donaldson: I mean, also, young Rhea Ungarmal is still very, very young, so I wouldn't have expected him to be having a full season in terms of starting games and so on. But if I was right in remembering he started on the right against Newcastle United, obviously a right footer himself, one would think he was maybe going to be challenged for that left-hand side and might still be doing so.

13:05Jim Campbell: Victor Munoz has come in as well. He's also primarily a left-hand sided player. Maybe he'll play on the right a bit more. He looks exciting as well.

13:10Pete Donaldson: Yeah, but I was going to say, could we see Ngomo being like an old school winger? You know, dare I suggest a right footer on the right side? Is it time? All right, granddad. Well, you know what football tactics are like is you've got to... at some point, right? Yeah, someone's going to go, defenders are so used to this. What if we try this? Yeah, and also,

13:29Jim Campbell: I mean, quite often that depends on the stronger foot of the central striker, right? Because if it's coming over from the right and you're left-footed, that's absolutely ideal and vice versa. So, yes. Could we revert the pyramid?

13:44Pete Donaldson: Oh, no. It's already been inverted. It's just simplifying football. Yeah. It's a game of opinions

13:51Jim Campbell: and simple tactics. Apparently it's a game of opinions. Apparently it is, Jim. This does not make any sense.

13:57Pete Donaldson: Liverpool have lost their last two home league games against Nottingham Forest, of course. So that does go into Jim's narrative of this being a good game to watch. Barns-sizzler. Yeah, the broadcasters obviously agree with you. Barns-sizzler. Barns-sizzler. Yeah, very good. Forest, of course, coming off back-to-back losses against Leeds. They will be delighted that they are not playing Leeds this fixture. Glasner still waiting for his first win with Forrest. And Glasner's been saying post-Leeds matches. He's like, well, Leeds are obviously further on their development than us, you know? And he was saying...

14:30Pete Donaldson: He was trying to temper expectations. It wasn't quite the full David Moyes, you know? It can't get any better than this, it just can't. But he was saying, look, Forrest had a difficult season last season. There's no, you know, what did he say? There's no magician, there's no messiah sort of coming in, downplaying the expectation on him, I suppose. But they're going to, I mean, this is obviously a difficult place to go, Anfield, it's fair to say. But losing to a side in Leeds United, who, look, they're a decent team, but they're not one of the best. It's a disappointing start for Forrest in the league.

15:07I think a lot of these teams around about Forrest's level, even up to maybe Aston Villa, they just want this transfer window to close. Because there's just so much turmoil, so much back channel from agents, and people are just unsettled.

15:18Jim Campbell: I saw David Ornstein the other day say that, within the industry, there's an expectation that 70 % of the business in this window will be done in this weekend. In this weekend. That can't be right.

15:31Pete Donaldson: I mean, it is, because we always say, we'll get your business done early, blah, blah, blah, blah, but is this the way to drive down the prices? Absolutely it is. It's gotta be, isn't it? It's a game of cards.

15:38Jim Campbell: And also, I mean, if you look at players who are on big wages, right, and if you know, like, all right, this is my last, I'm going to have to take a pay cut after this, of course you're going to go on deadline day. You juice every week possible, right?

15:51Pete Donaldson: Yes. Well, Liam DeLapp has completed his move to Nottingham Forest. £45 million plus£5 million add-ons potentially there. He's become the club's record signing.

16:00Jim Campbell: Yeah, he's an interesting one as well, isn't he? Because he's a great example of how quickly a reputation of a player can change because it was not good at Chelsea. Obviously, he was hampered by injuries and the environment was difficult for him because there were so many players there and it just didn't seem a good fit. but I think there's now an idea certainly if you base people's perceptions on what you read online that he's like useless and terrible and like one of the worst players at Chelsea you've ever signed and etc etc Is that why he's had 20 million on that price tag? Exactly, yeah but I think there's still a player in there clearly and environment is massive isn't it?

16:33Jim Campbell: So as long as they can kind of play to his strengths I would expect that we would see a better player than we did at Chelsea Well Jim, you know

16:41Pete Donaldson: I like to keep my eye on the big picture Yes With Oli Watkins probably off to Saudi with Ivan Tony already there you know Liam De Lapp second or third choice England strikers up for class Euros in two years time Nations League in one year's time It's a terrible point Why is it a terrible point? It's points we don't want to hear Alright We've just come out of the Carabao Cup Can we have an ad break? Put some respect on that Put some respect on that competition please I did and so did Fulham Brushing aside Andy Brassel as AFC Wimbledon We've got AFC Wimbledon fan in the room Indeed we do Indeed we do He went along to it I didn't bother Saved myself For the bigger teams You all get the points You all get the points For the final sunshine Could get the prizes though Right You know How much has the prize Moan in the Carabao this year Has it gone down I don't know Do you remember It was 150 grand 100 grand And it went down Oh yeah yeah Of course Going down That's the way to adjust it We are being a bit generous Yeah We don't want to skew The market too much Maybe that's what it is I don't know Forrester also looking to sign Daniel Munoz from Crystal Palace for a reported 22 million.

17:46Pete Donaldson: Oh, come on!

17:48Jim Campbell: It's just endless beef between these two, isn't it? What do you think of that, PT? It's not even a real bid. It's like, eh, what do you think of that? This'll test you. Not having it. He was going to Barcelona five minutes ago and now he's rocking up at the Tricky Trees. I'm not having this. Not having this at all.

18:03Pete Donaldson: I get it from... I understand how that with Tent Munoz, because obviously Glasner got a hell of a tune out of him. He's 30 as well. He is 30. Big old signing on bonus. And that was surprising when I found out his age a year or two ago, whenever it was. Because it's changed. It has changed, yes. Because when he was playing for Palace, I didn't know much about him before he went there. Then he turns up and he's one of the best wing backs in the world, I would go as far to say. Absolutely incredible. Certainly in the league and whatnot. And I thought, who's this young gem that they've unearthed? But actually, you know, he was the finished article, you might argue.

18:39Pete Donaldson: but I get what they're doing here because and with Munoz as well as you say at that age I mean this is not the big move in terms of going to like a huge club or anything obviously Forest Big Palace are as well he may well get an increase in wages or signing on field or whatever but working with Glasner say Glasner knows Munoz's strengths and knows what he's doing with that player and Munoz knows that as well so really important for his system as well yes it does so PS Arge and Palace I would imagine would have to probably convince Munoz to stay unless he's happy in London and so on and so forth.

19:10Pete Donaldson: But that would be a signal for Palace if Forrest do that again to them. That's what happens, though, when you piss off Maranakis, I suppose. Yeah, yeah. Go for it. Indeed, indeed. Gentlemen, let us move on to the Champions League draw. Let's talk about the big teams. The big teams in the big competition. Man City drew Barcelona among lots of other teams because that's how it works. We don't know when the fixtures are happening, by the way, because when I saw Arsenal's fixtures I thought they had Real Madrid and Bayern and I thought that was their first two fixtures I think it goes by the pots doesn't it yes it does they've got Dortmund in there as well Napoli and Lille too

19:49Jim Campbell: there's some really tricky ones it's a really difficult draw for Arsenal

19:52Pete Donaldson: yeah do you think they'll go through

19:53Jim Campbell: I do

19:54Pete Donaldson: yeah arrogant Arsenal fan again found him out Man City and Aston Villa will both play PSG and Barcelona of course they're doing that all at once aren't they I'm looking forward to that Yeah, yeah. Winner stays on. Or if you score, one team goes off and the other goes on. Man City, Nassim, with very different fortunes, you'd imagine, at this point in time. Quite possibly, Peter. Quite possibly, yeah.

20:17Jim Campbell: So, yeah, good to see. I don't know. They've got 70 % of their business to do this weekend. That's a good point, actually.

20:21Pete Donaldson: Yeah, got a busy weekend, yeah. And the other English team, Shakhtar Donetsk, of course. Yes. It's a sickening not to get them away. Yeah, it is. Totally is there. If you haven't seen, as I'm sure all of you have, Shakhtar playing their home games in the Champions League at Stamford Bridge. Brilliant. Love that. Yeah, that would have been so nice. I haven't actually checked to see if any of the other English clubs got them. But what I did see, though, is that PSG defender Marquinhos has become the first ever winner of the UEFA Respect Award. This was for consoling his Brazil teammate, Gabriel, after Gabriel missed his penalty in the Champions League final.

21:00Pete Donaldson: Sickening. Are we going to retrospectively give these awards? Lothar Matthias consoling Chris Waddle keeps to mind.

21:06Jim Campbell: I mean, this is very FIFA-coded nonsense from UEFA, isn't it? Yeah. It's obviously not as bad as the Peace Prize, but it's in the same sort of postcode as that sort of nonsense. Is this banter? It could absolutely read as banter. Which it should not, if it's supposed to be a UEFA respect award.

21:23Pete Donaldson: Imagine if Marquinhos would accept an award. Am I meant to be playing along with this, or am I meant to be happy? There's something Ali G would give out. Oddly, a contemporary reference. Yeah, inexplicably. We're back, baby. Get your... What are the jeans we used to wear with the big legs? Poppers? Spliffy? Spliffy. No, I'm thinking more just like... Not bell-bottom jeans. Boot cut? No, boot cut jeans. There we go.

21:52Jim Campbell: But you used to wear apple-bottom jeans, didn't you? Yes, boots with the fur. Yeah. Every time. And you used to wear those chaps, didn't you? yeah I did those chaps nasty lovely used to call you nasty Marcus yeah

22:04Pete Donaldson: I don't know why you pronounce nasty I don't know why you pronounce nasty like that but anyway I suppose it works Christina Aguilera song I completely forgot Manchester United were in the Champions League in pop two that was fun I forgot that one I predicted them for the top in the league I was like look continuity counts for a lot in the league they don't have Europe they surely can't have Europe I was like oh yeah they got Europe and not only that they got the Champions League they have And so now Luke's prediction of Chelsea winning the league is looking a little bit tidier, in my opinion. Just that little bit tidier, yeah.

22:35Pete Donaldson: Bayern Munich are the biggest side Manchester United will face in the... That's a great game. That's a great time. It is a good game. But as they're the biggest... I mean, everyone else seems to be playing PSG and Barcelona or Real Madrid. Manchester United have avoided them. They have avoided them. A bit of Atletico Madrid. Yeah, they've got a tough one too. I'm reliably informed it's tough at the top. Speaking of the Champions League, did you see Jude Bellingham's brother, Job, demonstrating his incredible knowledge of Champions League slash European Cups competition pass winners? I did.

23:09Jim Campbell: That was incredible. It was absolutely amazing. So if you've not seen the video, he's being asked to name the winner of the Champions League from last season backwards. And basically he stays in it until he gets one wrong. And he gets every single winner in order. He slips up on one, but he immediately corrects himself, and you have to give him that.

23:31Pete Donaldson: Totally, yeah. Like when it was like, oh, it's Stoyle-Bucharest. Oh, no, it was Porto in 1987, and then it was Booker.

23:36Jim Campbell: It was incredible. So good. And I love that, because he's clearly like a bit of a football nerd as well. Not all footballers are. He's a bastard for it. Yeah, let's call him that. And I don't think all footballers are like that, and I think that's cool. I just love that he can recall him backwards as well. If you sort of look at the list, you could probably learn them as a little song or like a little kind of mantra or something maybe. But backwards, I don't know why, that seems more impressive to me. Like some sort of Ren and Stimpy. Like he actually knows the information, which is completely against everything I stand for.

24:10Pete Donaldson: He's a bastard for it, as we said. Speaking of bastards, before we go for a break, did you see that Fennabasche's Matteo Guendouzi has been winding people up? This is so good.

24:21Jim Campbell: From where I'm sat, there's so much to enjoy about this. which is the first thing he doesn't play for us anymore and it's good that he's not doing that in our shirt but at the same time I have to look at that and think he was doing that against Spurs I would be absolutely losing my mind right now it was like a high kick that I've never seen on a football field that felt like a challenge to the whole stadium didn't it so let me set the scene

24:43Pete Donaldson: so I can't picture him in an Arsenal shirt anymore it's mad to think that but yes Fenerbahce they are through to the Champions League proper for the first time since 2008-09. And they did this by beating Lyon in a playoff. And of course, Matteo Guendouzi, former Marseille man, was probably reminded that he used to play for Marseille by the Lyon faithful. So at full time, he started celebrating in front of the home fans in Lyon. And he eventually gets attacked by some of the players, of course. But there's a bit of shithousery, and this was on a different level. Some players, they might sort of give it the, you know, the sort of chat, chat, chat sort of, you know.

25:26Jim Campbell: Oh, but there's no subtlety. He wants the whole world to see. There are plenty of middle fingers being given.

25:32Pete Donaldson: He's sort of dancing around. He's doing this weird sort of fly kick celebration type thing. That may be a reference to something. If it is, I'm not sure. He is, I mean, he's making sure everyone in that stadium knows he is delighted that him and his team have knocked Leon out of the Champions League. So eventually, you know, as I say, there's a little bit of argy-bargy, but he goes towards the tunnel and he thinks, right, I think I've proved my point. Yeah. I'm probably done now. And then a sort of a mystery figure, maybe a member of staff or a player or something. I don't know who it was. It's got to be a player, surely.

26:04Pete Donaldson: It must be a player. He leads with his feet. Yeah, he confronts him and does that sort of fly kicky thing that Gwendoza was doing on him. It was weird. And then everyone just piles into the tunnel.

26:12Jim Campbell: And then he goes straight into the dressing room and takes a picture of himself pointing to the Champions League badge on his shirt. Which he poses online.

26:19Pete Donaldson: Yeah, I know, yeah. Well, after the game, Guadouzi said he was responding to the crowd taunting. He said, when you have 60 ,000 people insulting your family, your mother, your children, even before the game, and no one on the referee side tells the crowd to be quiet, this is what could happen. Be quiet! When else do they do that? I mean, he was also doing all sorts of things during the warm-up as well. Clicking the Vs and that. He was pumped, I think it's fair to say.

26:40Jim Campbell: I mean, he's probably getting pelters in the warm-up, isn't he? He's got his right to reply there.

26:44Pete Donaldson: Well, I do think a player has a right to reply. It's the high kick I can't fumble, really. yeah like a dainty horse yeah but however though with the right to reply I mean there is a sort of there's a responsibility a little bit to not incite a crowd yeah so you know there's swings and roundabouts I suppose but there we are we can discuss that during the break coming up after this are Spurs back on track

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30:20Pete Donaldson: Is that the legendary Dwight Gale who missed the chance in the quarterfinal against Manchester City? Is that the same Dwight Gale? Okay. Interesting. Steve Bruce on Dwight Gale there. Lovely to hear Bruce's voice. He'd crush him. He would. But if he was on a computer game, he'd outrun him. True. If everybody remembers that. I remember that, yeah. Spurs host Newcastle United, Steve Bruce's former team, on Saturday at 5.30. Spurs beat Charlton 5-1 in the League Cup during the week. Charlton's second team. Really? Oh, is that why it was? He's like 10 players. Oh, okay. Is that where you go with this?

30:57Pete Donaldson: Yeah. If Charlton and I just said, I don't need this match. Is that what it was? And they didn't need this match. Okay, well, Spurs put them to the sword. Are you going to beat what's put in front of you? It's a good point, yeah. Credit where credit's due.

31:08Jim Campbell: Savio, formerly known as Savinho, scored on his debut. So is that his first two goals under a new name? Does it all have to start again? Oh, yeah. Maybe. Good point, actually. If you get a rebrand, it doesn't count. I think that's how you get out of tax as well. Just a tip, Savio. Okay. All right.

31:25Pete Donaldson: That's good to know. Fake your death. Yeah. Just as one of your fellow Harlipodalians did famously, of course, in Panama. He did, yes. The canoe man. He famously didn't go to Panama. He hid in a house. Oh, yeah. That's right. But he said he went to Panama. Whenever the canoe man comes up, it always makes me laugh that he's the most famous canoeist in the world. And every professional canoeist must be really annoyed. Yeah, that's true. Especially if they listen to this show. I have been to Panama. Oh, good. And I didn't see the canoe man there. No. So I can vouch for it. Did you see the hat that's not from Panama?

31:57Pete Donaldson: Well, that's one of my favorite pieces of trivia. Where are Panama hats from, Jim? Say Panama. Bolton. No, they're not from Bolton. They're from Ecuador. But they used to take them up to the Panama Canal and they would sell them all and ship them off there. I see. Do you know where Panama Jack's from? He's from Bolton. Are Asper's going to get anything out of Savio? Because he was really good. A lot of assists the first few matches for Man City. and they're just down tools. Every Man City fan hates him.

32:28Jim Campbell: Yeah, the fee's mad, isn't it? But again, this window is quite mad on that front and there's talk of that being related to the eventual fee that they'll pay for Omar Marmushin and whatnot. Aren't they doing that weird lawn thing because they don't want to pay a sell-on fee? Eintracht Frankfurt apparently are getting absolutely stiffed in this, yes. Which is absolutely typical of them who are an endless basket case. yeah I think Savio does he feels like a player with more to give doesn't he it feels like a good market opportunity even though they've had to let's be honest overpay for him for whatever reason I mean massively overpay and he's also got a lot to prove yeah and he's

33:06Pete Donaldson: still only 22 I sort of take all those points I mean if you're buying from another Premier League club you know people talk about Premier League tax and all that kind of stuff you know whatever you may think of that I think though that Spurs fans were certainly seemed quite pleased with what he did there, you know, against Charlton, you know, but showed a bit of something. It's not hard to get yourself excited about a speedy Brazilian winger, is it? No, it isn't. And again, I know it's only the League Cup second round against Charlton, I take that, but, you know, lest we forget Spurs were pretty poor against Brentford, you know, just to have something else coming in against Newcastle United should give them a little bit of a G up.

33:49Jim Campbell: I also think Dominic Solanke could be a bit of a kind of surprise ace card for Spurs this season. He seems to be a little bit of a forgotten man. And there was talk that he might move on. And obviously his injury problems have been bad. He's got to stay fit. That is true. But if he manages that, we've seen how good he can be. He was fantastic for Bournemouth when he put a run of fitness together.

34:06Pete Donaldson: Yeah. And by the way, when I say that, I'm not saying it's like it's his fault. It's like, well, you know, if he won't do his... He will keep leaving his skateboards at the top of the stairs. Exactly, yeah. I mean, some people said I was a little bit harsh on Spurs after the Brentford game. that I was a bit like, oh, Spurs fans might be worrying, it's happening again and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I said, come on, it's early days. They've got a lot of players to come back and so on. I mean, what do you think of it, Jim? Because, you know.

34:31Jim Campbell: Yeah, I don't think that first game is indicative of what their whole season is going to be like. I mean, I thought that in the last two, but I don't think because the last two were so bad means that this one is going to be anywhere near it. They've brought in some really good players. They've got a very good manager now who knows the Premier League and I think was the best manager available on the market at the time. I think the last two seasons were really silly from them. They'll all be scarred by it. And I think in a situation like that, they have to stop the rot. And they've stopped the rot by spending money on some good players.

35:04Jim Campbell: And I think the key thing is that they've started paying higher wages, which means you can attract these players. And that's something that Spurs fans were annoyed at Daniel Levy for being a bit kind of too frugal about in the past. Well, Poster Coggle himself said that. Well, absolutely. So I think that...

35:20Pete Donaldson: But you said about stopping the rot there. I mean, fine, but the rot hasn't been stopped because of that result.

35:25Jim Campbell: Yeah, but it's just one result though when they don't have a lot of their new players available. I don't, you know, I'm not saying they're going to challenge for the league title or anything like that. No, no, no, I understand that. But I don't think they're going to be regularly smashed 3-0. No, no. North London forever as well. I do think that the way that Newcastle perform at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is an interesting little subplot to this one. Go on. I just think it's going to be interesting because Newcastle have done quite well at the time in this fixture. Here we go. Over recent seasons and Newcastle looked pretty good in the first week.

36:00Jim Campbell: Yeah, Amar Dedic looks like a lot of fun. Bit of positivity. Yeah. Positive beaters.

36:06Pete Donaldson: Can we suck more of that out of you? If you want. Yeah. Where do you want to suck it out from? What are our options? Point me in the right direction, old boy. Fingers. Each finger emits a slight amount of positivity. That was oddly wholesome, wasn't it? Let's be honest. Much worse. My arse. We got away with it. Suck out my arse. Again, could have been worse. Yeah, could have been worse. Speaking of arse, did you like a picture of Matthias Issa and his assistant? Yes. I think it's Alexander Housey, you can't really see, but he's sort of pulling his shorts up really high. Yes. Great bomb on him.

36:43and I'm sort of looking as if he's like, I can't believe he's doing this. You said you wouldn't do it. Heiser's going to be a really good bit of ramble muck this season. He's very animated. He constantly remonstrates with referees and they have followed by a couple of poor decisions from the referee. But yeah, I think it's going to be really interesting.

37:07Pete Donaldson: If a bit corporate. Indeed. Newcastle United have signed Nico Gonzalez. Yes. He was revealed as a Newcastle United player at St. James' Park before their 3-2 win against West Brom in the League Cup. Yeah. Anthony Lange was trying out his best Spanish on him. Was he? Yeah. That's nice. Because Lange can speak like five languages or something. Right. And yeah, and he's like, I hear you can speak a lot of languages. Yeah, I can. Yes, I can, actually. Oh. Humble.

37:31Jim Campbell: Are you happy with that signing? I think that's a pretty good one. I'm hugely happy. He's not really a Tenale or a Bruno, but I mean, if he's available and he seems to fancy the project. I don't know how they managed to land him personally.

37:44Pete Donaldson: Well, he was up for a leave. He's not played that much, particularly in the back end

37:48Jim Campbell: of last season at Manchester City. His surplus of requirements there and they've brought in a lot of money, haven't they, City? They're probably going to spend it on Enzo Fernandes, you would think. And I've obviously just signed Ayo Buwadi as well, so they need to balance the books a little bit. Gonzalez is not going to...

38:01Pete Donaldson: He didn't play... Well, yeah. Gonzalez is, again, clearly surplus of requirements. So he was obviously up for a move. He did say that he loved playing at St. James' Park, you know, talked about the fans and all that kind of good stuff. But he was open to a move and he's got it. And I think, as you say, Peter, I think he'd be very much welcome there, because it's a signing of a player that you've seen in the Premier League before. Newcastle lacking a little bit with players incoming. So I think he did pretty well there.

38:30Jim Campbell: He's also an interesting player who's like, he's a good passer, he's good in the air, there's a lot of stuff he does really well. He's 24 and he's moved around quite a bit. I think he needs somewhere to sort of settle and kind of make his own. And this seems a really good fit.

38:43Pete Donaldson: Also, when he moved to Man City, he moved at the time when it was coming towards the end of Guardiola's time there. And so he didn't have, you know, one or two of the other players from the previous Guardiola teams who were, you know, firing on all cylinders or whatever. And I think it was tricky for him to come in. And obviously it's very demanding when you come in and you're sort of seen as a bit of a Rodri stand-in as well. Huge pressure on him there. Especially when Rodri wasn't really turning up. Yeah, well, but it was injuries. Indeed, yeah. And then I actually think it was a tricky time for a player playing in the centre of the pitch, which is a position where they've been so strong under Guardiola for so many years and dominated games from.

39:24Pete Donaldson: It was a difficult assignment. So Newcastle's got another chance and we shall see. The old relegation six-pointer, I'm going to call it, gym is happening on Saturday at 3pm because I'm being disrespectful to Coventry City and Hull City. Two of the promoted teams, yeah, it's an early promoted teams derby this one. The EFL fraud derby. What are you doing here? Yeah, exactly, yeah. Despite winning the league Coventry City. All disrespect aside and all bollocks aside, this is a real chance for Coventry to get their first victory of the season at home to Hull because when they looked at the fixtures they'd have seen Arsenal away.

40:03Pete Donaldson: Okay, tricky start. But then this one is one they'd be targeting. Whereas Hull, of course, it's a chance for them to get six points on the board.

40:10Jim Campbell: Yeah, Coventry are just going to be like, is this a real quiz or not? The level's all over the shop here, isn't it? But yeah, I mean, Hull will be absolutely buzzing from that victory over European giants, Man United. So yeah, absolutely got to try and continue that momentum. But actually, you know what? I thought even though Arsenal beat Coventry 3-0, there were times in it where they don't look like they're going to get embarrassed. There's enough about them that even in a quite heavy defeat that they look kind of capable.

40:43Pete Donaldson: Well, as we said with their transfer policy last week signing big, solid players.

40:48Jim Campbell: I think that's a really smart business. I do as well, yeah.

40:51Pete Donaldson: I think that there's definitely more to come. Of all the teams you shouldn't say don't look too much into their first game I think Coventry would be at the top of that list. away to Arsenal and Uniprovoid side and so on and so forth. Are we going to be saying that every week until late November? I hope not for their sake, Peter. I do hope not. Yeah, they're more of a second half of the season type of team. You know, they're just warming up.

41:12Jim Campbell: I like the idea that Frank Lampard will come out and go, no, but seriously! And then Coventry will absolutely bat a hole.

41:20Pete Donaldson: Well, their last three meetings have been draws. Just two goals scored across those games. Maybe that's why it's in the blackout 3pm spot. We don't want any of this nonsense. It will probably end up about 4-4 now. Hull have made their 12th signing of the window. Nice forward Mohamed Ali Cho has joined. Once England under-16 internationally declared for France and has most recently been in their under-21s. How do you feel about that? It's a bold gambit. Well, I think, can we reverse that? Right. Come back to England. Lop off an arm. It's like an infection. Like a snake bite. I don't know about that.

41:58Pete Donaldson: Last time I heard Snakebark was in the Student Union, I think. Yeah, so he was born in France but grew up in England. He was in Everton's books when he was a kid. But he's back in England and he's playing for Hull. Quite an exciting player, actually. I think it's not a bad signing. The 12th one of the window. And that's what Hull have done. It's just sign loads of players. Let's Sunderland this. See what we can do. Indeed. For those not aware, Hull's owner is Turkish businessman, broadcaster and TV producer, Ashen Illashali, who bought the club in 2022. He's been dubbed the Turkish Simon Cowell.

42:35Jim Campbell: Yeah, this guy's story is really interesting. He started off as like a sort of sports presenter on TV and has gone on to build like a media empire. And I think he's going to be someone we hear quite a lot of from this season.

42:48Pete Donaldson: We've heard a little bit from him, but I think it's going to be ramped up as the season goes on, you would think. He said that he was swayed to buy Hull instead of other English or indeed Welsh clubs like Derby, Cardiff and Swansea as his next venture because of the Humber Bridge's similarity to the first bridge which connects the European Asian sides of Istanbul. I said, what is that? It made me very interested. Ah, to be a wealthy eccentric. He's had to think about that little retcon, hasn't he? He's kind of like, oh, it's just money. I'm just moving money around. The bridge. The bridge, yes.

43:23We both have bridges. We've all got bridges.

43:25Pete Donaldson: You're the only cities in the world that have bridges. He recently responded to Joe Cole, Carlton Cole, and Wayne Bridge, who were talking about how surprised they'd be if Hull stayed up. And, of course, he took to Twitter. And this gym... Who is this Wayne Bridge, he said. Fascinated. I must have him. I am fascinated. That's what piqued his interest. He said, It is disappointing to see my beautiful city criticised by people who should know better. The true beauty of a place is in its people, and that's why, for me, Hull is one of the most beautiful places in the world. For me, seeing two ex-players, three, making fun of a deservedly promoted club is more laughable than the things they were laughing at.

44:06Pete Donaldson: But yes, Jim, I think we're going to hear more from him. Absolutely.

44:08Jim Campbell: It is disappointing to see my beautiful city. Does he think he's bought the city? I think so. Maybe, yeah. He got the bridge. He's there. he's a weird fellow apparently he's joined he's sort of bought clubs I think and then just kind of like left within like weeks sometimes I think he bought he attempted to buy an Irish club and he was very into that every time he sees a bridge he crosses it and just keeps going yeah exactly

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46:24Pete Donaldson: And we've got Chelsea versus Brighton Sunday at 2pm. The Danny Welbeck derby, of course. He scored on his Chelsea debut as they beat Luton 2-0. I don't think I'll ever get used to Danny Welbeck wearing a Chelsea kit. No, it's strange, isn't it? Yeah. Good header, though. Lovely header. I should say that when I went to see Fulham v Chelsea at the cottage again I saw Jordan Henderson he was on the he wasn't on the bench but he was with the squadron all his arms out the sling you'll be pleased to know and I was like when are we going to see Jordan Henderson make his Chelsea debut as you said this transfer window doesn't mean anything this is madness absolute madness yeah but well it'd be a good stand in for Joao Pedro who's obviously hit the ground running people calling Chelsea's at front three Joel Pedro, Cole Palmer and Morgan Rogers.

47:10Pete Donaldson: JP Morgan. I like it. Which I think's not bad. Cole Palmer wasn't impressed, Peter. He said rubbish name that, didn't he? Yeah, he said we need to come up with something better.

47:19Jim Campbell: Is it because JP sounds like it just means Joel Pedro? Which leaves Palmer out of it.

47:24Pete Donaldson: It could be. It could well be. I'm sure there's something in there. Imagine explaining JP Morgan to him. It would take hours.

47:34Jim Campbell: Yeah. He does sell artisanal ice. so maybe he's got some understanding in that world

47:39Pete Donaldson: it's the kind of business acumen that you need to get into JP Morgan maybe well their opponents this weekend Brighton secured a return to European football after a three year wait they beat Tromso 4-0 in the conference league playoff once again I mean these are two

47:53Jim Campbell: of the form teams across the competitions definitely Jim definitely

47:56Pete Donaldson: once again

47:57Jim Campbell: my Barkley sense is tingling

48:00Pete Donaldson: is it having a little tingle it is well I was going to say once again the Premier League side as is the tradition will be the favourite or among the favourites in the Europa Conference League. Surely, again, I mean, that's just such a chance for Brighton to do something. Yeah, absolutely. Especially now Rangers are out of the competition. What's the matter with the old firm in Europe? It's only Hearts who are doing so. I know Celtic have dropped down. It's hilarious

48:22Jim Campbell: that Hearts are...

48:23Pete Donaldson: Leading the way.

48:24Jim Campbell: Yeah.

48:25Pete Donaldson: Leading the way. By the way, that Hearts win in Austria, that was stunning stuff. Drew the first leg to all at home, and you're thinking, they really need an advantage in there. go away, and they're down to 10 men, sort of fairly late on, and they manage to pull through to all and win on penalties. The scenes in that away end, with the Hart's fans, it was something else. Derek McInnes will probably be thinking, maybe I moved to a...

48:52Jim Campbell: Celtic just dropped down to the Europa League now. They're into the Europa League proper, yeah. Yeah, which is... They should have to qualify again. Yeah.

49:00Pete Donaldson: Let's see if you're good enough for this competition. Well, Hart's obviously dropped down as well. They were beaten by Marco Silva's Benfica. You just keep going and going. Did you see that? For obvious reasons, we know why he's doing it, but there was a man who posted on Twitter a picture of him saying, I just had a bad feeling about this Rangers match, lads. So I stayed at home with my picture of the Queen. I got a picture of the Queen. Was it the Queen? He hasn't updated it to the King. No, I guess not. No, it's a good point. Or was it Camilla? No, it was definitely the... Elizabeth II. I was definitely Elizabeth II, but I just had a bad feeling.

49:35What must she think of our subjects in this awful team?

49:38Jim Campbell: Oh dear. The idea that she's watching Rangers in heaven. Is that what you suggested? Like not going to watch in a Range Rover. Rangers Rover. Not watching like... Not going to the pub to watch your football team because you had a bad feeling. You just sit and look at your picture of the Queen.

49:55Pete Donaldson: Are you sure that... It's good stuff. I don't think that's real. Clyde Bank Bear. Clive Bank Bear Clive Bank Bear Father of four Divorced Does check out Yeah Alright fair enough Each to their own Jim you joked earlier In the week that Chelsea Would sign Emi Martinez Yeah

50:12Jim Campbell: Like a lot of jokes I make It's extremely obvious Yeah And it's panned out Did you have a little insight? No Yeah Well I mean Chelsea Really obviously needed A goalkeeper Aston Villa had just signed A goalkeeper And Martinez Was looking for a goalkeeper Yeah Your insight was just

50:25Pete Donaldson: Simply paying attention To what was going on Emi Martinez had been Looking for a move For three years Yeah big move for Emi is it? I think it's a massive move yeah he can team up with Enzo Fennett oh wait a minute what?

50:37Jim Campbell: yeah I mean Valentin Barco was getting some treatment the other night wasn't he so I'm sure that'll continue but we were saying after the Chelsea game against Fulham that the goalkeeper really does look like the only missing ingredient for them to have a title challenging season and Martinez is a brilliant fit yeah he's a lot better than Sanchez I think it's actually a little bit underrated Emi Martinez It's just possibly because people just think of all the kind of shit I was in and whatnot. Also, when he wins a goalkeeping award, he then shags it. Yeah, there's that as well. It doesn't necessarily make your ability the headline, does it?

51:11Jim Campbell: Good to know. Very well put, too. But yeah, he's a very good goalkeeper. And they're ready to go, aren't they? They are ready to go. I think it will probably suit the kind of siege mentality that Chelsea are good at building as well.

51:23Pete Donaldson: Quite possibly. Quite possibly, yeah. Enzo Fernandes is ready to go, but so far no update on that. Well, the deadline's passed, hasn't it? The deadline has passed, yeah. Alonso said that he didn't put him in the squad because it was just a decision I took. You know, I was thinking about the game, we'll play at night, and we'll see if it's Sunday against Brighton. I'm going to predict that he's not going to play against Brighton. When a manager kind of sounds like that, yeah, just something I did. You think, can I trust this guy? Well, I took out our front three and just thought, you know, have the weekend off, lads.

51:54Pete Donaldson: something I did I don't know why did it you sound like a loose cannon yeah I rolled my tombola and I came don't take him in the squad so I didn't why so many questions well if he is going to go to Manchester City Enzo Fernandes which we will expect he may well enjoy wearing their new third kit whoa yeah they have released it finally it was designed by a fan on his lunch break using Puma's generative AI tool cool what do you think about PT? I think I mean is creativity dead I think I mean imagine how many prompts would have to be submitted and that is a white top with a bit of blue stroke down the middle yeah I mean I suppose they have had some odd kits and it was like that raindroppy one yeah that was bad yeah so they could yeah well city fans yeah I can imagine anything let's make that very clear yeah pretty much well the man city fans from more than 200 countries designed a kit with more than 180 ,000 different shirts generated The winning design was decided by a fan vote.

52:56Pete Donaldson: I don't reckon that you could have voted on more than 180 ,000 shirts. I think this was just probably the first one. Everyone went fine. Yeah, they probably did the top ten. Yeah, who did the top ten? That's what I want to know. Dark Forces. Indeed. Absolutely, yeah. Speaking of Dark Forces, my bitty aunt is happening later today. It's me versus Jim. Another grudge match. Absolutely. Yeah, grudgy bastards. That's what they call us, Jim. That will be available to listen to later today. Make sure to subscribe to the Football Ramble in your podcast app so that you do not miss it. And that means, Peter, it's the end of the show.

53:32Pete Donaldson: It is, yes. Yes. Final thoughts, Peter? There are two English League sides with trees in the badge. What are they? Nottingham Forest. Nottingham Forest. Jim, I've done mine. You're doing yours? The West Bradford Trees. No, not the West Bradford Trees. No, no. Give us a clue. Which league are we talking? Are we talking Premier League? No, we're not talking Premier League. Think North West. North West. Tranmere Rovers. It is Tranmere Rovers. There we go. I was saying that because Viking from Norway have qualified for the Champions League. Yes. The first time. And they did a little bit more at Zagreb last night, or the night before.

54:10And they've got a lovely badge with a tree on it. Is that right? Very few trees. What are you looking at, Tom?

54:17Jim Campbell: Wigan also has a tree in their badge. No, no, no. No, a full tree, like a full tree. It is a full tree. Is it? What's a full tree? Oh, yeah, that is a, to be fair, that is a tree. To be fair, that is a, to be fair, that is a, that is about as tree as it can be. So, so how many, right, Peter, let's have another go.

54:38Pete Donaldson: Let me start that again. No, no, that's going in. That is going in. How many of these badges have you looked at? I thought it was a part of a tree. A part of a tree. It's a part of a tree. Oh, dear. Because, like, someone's got, like, a fucking... Everyone's got a bit of a tree in their badge. Everyone. West Brom's got a half-horn fucking branch. But not many badges have proper trees in them. Southampton have one. Let's have a look.

55:04Jim Campbell: Yeah, Southampton famously have one because the little fellow was hiding behind it, didn't he? Hang on, hang on. Southampton badge. You've bollocksed this. No! That's the top of the tree. That's the top of the tree. That's a tree. I'm talking shit here. Yeah. There are, turns out, there are a lot of teams, a lot of football teams, with trees in them.

55:22Pete Donaldson: Hey, but Tranmere Rovers are one of them. Tranmere Rovers are one of them. And you best not forget it. You got it. Yeah. Can we check that Tranmere Rovers have a tree in their badge? That's the next question. Tree-mere Rovers. Oh, dear. Yeah, they do have a tree. They've got all sorts of, blimey, I forgot a Tranmere's badge. Quite comprehensive. It covers a lot of food groups, doesn't it? Anything you want, you'll find that in the Tranmere Rovers badge. There we are. Thank you for listening to the Football Ramble, part of the ACAST Creator Network. Jim and I will be back on Monday alongside Luke Moore.

55:54Pete Donaldson: Luke Moore. There we are. Thank you, PT. Thank you. Thank you, Jimmy. Thank you. Thank you, Sranmere Rovers.

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