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4:38Jim Campbell: Mine is Jim Campbell. And mine's David Carledge.

4:54Oh, it's Friday, everyone. We made it. We made it again. The weekend is almost here. It's almost officially landed. We can see it coming in on the approach, and it's going to touch down at your town later on today. Happy to be joined by Jim and David. Welcome, guys. Good to see you. the big one is on its way as well tomorrow night England versus New Zealand and that's what we're going to start off talking about today there's been some chat in the office that a 9pm kick off isn't desirable what do you think about that?

5:27Jim Campbell: I think it's good practice for the jamboree that we're about to embark on for the next 5, 6 it will of course be 4pm local time won't it there? yes of course the game has taken place in Tampa David you were talking earlier about this stadium they're playing the game in I actually saw before I bring you on I actually saw some photographs and the person who took these photographs and published them knew what they were doing and it was alongside some tabloidy kind of headline about how English players are really struggling with the heat already they just had a picture of like Jude Bellingham Anthony Gordon one or two others just looking really hot but I mean presumably they're professional athletes they've just been through a pretty decent workout they're going to look hot yeah you would think so and that's why they've gone out there early, haven't they?

6:11Jim Campbell: Thomas Tuchel has encouraged them to go on holiday there and just meet up at the camp afterwards, which a few of them did. A few of them were in Miami already. So that's just chicanery. It is a little bit. That's just Tuchel's training regime. They've just been given the bleak test as soon as they arrive. Any strong opinions on the Raymond James Stadium, David? Well, it's where the Tampa Bay Buccaneers play, NFL team. Every time they score, they have a cannon. So I wonder if the cannon's going to go off. Do you reckon they'll do it or is that just for the Bucs? I think it's just for the Bucs. but I don't know I'd be asking for use of the I'd want full canon privileges myself absolutely and there's been a quite embarrassing amount of tickets been sold yeah so it's a 69 ,000 capacity stadium reportedly there's about 15 ,000 tickets being sold so there's going to be a lot of schools I think getting envelopes of free tickets today well you don't get free stuff at schools in America oh yeah I forgot yeah of course maybe they'll do that but doesn't that show you how, because I know this is probably a pretty arrogant thing to say, but I do think it's kind of based in some fact, which is that England as a football team, they do kind of draw a crowd wherever they go, right?

7:19Jim Campbell: And the Premier League is massive in the US. And the England team is full of Premier League players, right? What's happening then, Jim? Explain it. Well, I mean, presumably it's the prices. It's quite expensive. Considering it's a warm-up. Yeah, it's 4pm local time as well. Yeah, I suppose that might make a difference. Although it's a Saturday, isn't it? But yeah, I mean, presumably the tickets are like 10 grand each. They might be. Well, if Man United fans are thinking about swerving tomorrow night, it might bring them back on board to know that the Bucks and the stadium are owned by the Glazers.

7:48Right, okay. The story of the stadium being built is wild. In 1995, the Glazers bought the Buccaneers. Immediately, they complained to the local government that the stadium wasn't big enough. And despite being billionaires, they lobbied hard to get the local government to build a stadium for them. The local government then agreed and laid out a$168 million plan to the Glazers. Here's a stadium local taxpayers will build for you. They said, no, it's not big enough and it's not going to make us enough revenue. So the local government went back again, did another one, which was bigger, and would make more money for the franchise.

8:28And the Glazers agreed. And it was paid for by a community investment tax, a 30-year half-cent sales tax increase paying for the stadium for the buck. So anyone who visited Florida and bought something or anyone who lived there and bought something would have been paid for that stadium for the billionaire Glazer family. So that's incredible. If you can't get behind the romance of that, what are you doing, eh? What are you absolutely doing? Right, anyway, listen. England are playing a game there. They're playing against New Zealand. As we've said, New Zealand have not been in great form. It's fair to say they are among the lowest ranked nations at the World Cup this year.

9:06It looks as if Alex Scott will play, might make his debut. And don't forget him, Rio Ungamoa, Josh King, Jason Steele and Ethan Nguyeneri have travelled as supplementary members of the England squad for the preparation camp. And then Declan Rice, Pekai Saka, Aberechi Eze and Noni Madueke are not able to feature because of their involvement in the Champions League final.

9:28Jim Campbell: Yeah, we did an episode of Lions Watch the other day, you and I, Luke, and one of the questions was related. Did you enjoy it? I did. I had a bloody lovely time. How much did you like out of 10? I'd go as far as a 10. I've got World Cup fever, you know that. That's true. How did you think the viewers did? Did they make a contribution? Were you happy with that? I was very, very happy with the interactions that we made. One of those interactions was somebody saying that he didn't want Thomas Tuchel to be playing Harry Kane and to be playing sort of the big players in this friendly just to sort of keep them fresh and he's picked a player that's not even in the squad.

9:57Jim Campbell: So I'm happy with that and hopefully the others will feature as well. Perhaps Phil Foden and Cole Palmer and Harry Maguire can come along as well. I kind of feel like it is weird that you're doing a warm-up game, trying to get all your ducks in a row, work out what's going to go on, how the team are reacting together, all the rest of it, work on some shape, work on some pattern, and pick in a couple of players who aren't literally able to play. Yeah, it's remarkable. I'm just looking forward to Alex Scott putting in a man-of-the-match performance. And then the discourse the next day, like, should Alex Scott be starting?

10:28That's the problem, isn't it? If he plays really well, which he probably will because let's be fair one of the players he'll be playing against is Tommy Smith who's 36 and just been relegated from the National League with Braintree Town he's probably going to look quite good against that calibre of opposition he's going to look very good add another 20 million to his price tag but he won't be able to play for England because Jordan Henderson will come on for him with 15 minutes to go that's what's going to happen listen I think it's going to be an interesting game nonetheless New Zealand recently lost quite heavily to Haiti.

11:02And I am struggling with how to pronounce Haiti. Is it Haiti or is it Haiti? I've always thought Haiti.

11:08Jim Campbell: I always thought Haiti as well. Okay. Their nickname is the Grenadiers. Nice. And I wonder, and this is not going to be an Andy Brasel type turkey shout, but I'm just putting it out there. Right. They topped a qualifying group which featured Costa Rica and Honduras. And they just beat New Zealand 4-0 in a recent warm-up game. And they genuinely look pretty good. So I wonder if Haiti might be a bit of a dark horse, but New Zealand losing four nil to Haiti isn't great preparation for playing England, is it? In front of two men and a dog. Yeah, but I mean, playing England is also preparation for the actual thing, isn't it?

11:44Jim Campbell: So I'm not sure that it... You know, these warm-up games, they're really about fitness and they're really about kind of getting used to the environment, aren't they? So I'm not sure it actually is really going to be meaningful for either team in a different way. And most of the... It's obviously worth pointing out as well because we mentioned the low ticket sales. most of those ticket sales are going to be to see Tim Payne in the flesh. Oh, yeah. Explain this phenomenon to people who haven't seen it. So Tim Payne was identified by an Argentinian YouTuber and streamer who wanted to identify the least known player at the World Cup and basically make him famous.

12:19Jim Campbell: So he found Tim Payne as the player who had the fewest followers on Instagram and sort of generally across his social media channels and kind of just made him famous. He's got sort of, last time I looked it was 4.4 million followers on Instagram now. And he is essentially just famous for not being famous. I quite like that actually. I'm usually against stuff like that because it's a bit like smarmy. But I actually do enjoy it. I mean there's always these weird little kind of World Cup quirky stories right. And this one started early. So yeah, everyone's down there to see T-Pain. Do you want to hear a little fact about T-Pain?

12:49He used to play for a team called Eastern Suburbs in the second tier of New Zealand football. and the team I played for in New Zealand played against them in a cup game, although I didn't play. So I can't say I've played against a team that he's played for, but that is... That's the level. This wasn't that long ago. This is like 2019 he played for them. It's not like he started out when he was like 14. This is like, he would have been probably in his mid-20s then. That's the level we're talking about.

13:16Jim Campbell: This is brilliant though, isn't it? This is what is great about the World Cup, despite all the nonsense around this with ticket prices and stuff like that. The fact that these teams are there on the big stage with all these stories around them having a shot and we're having a big old think about whether Haiti might be a dark course it's great and that's what FIFA's trying to rob from us they're trying to rob it from us aren't they well I mean they would probably argue that they've brought it to us because they've expanded the tournament and that would be a little bit of sleight of hand wouldn't it sure I don't mean they're trying to take that specifically from us they're trying to take the very semblance any semblance of what the World Cup is actually good about and monetise every element yeah and remove surgically removing it if we've said then David that it's going to be something of a a training session and a warm-up and all the rest.

13:55I mean, it is quite literally being built as a warm-up game. And we're going to have players involved probably who won't feature in the World Cup proper. What do you actually want to see from this game and from this England team and from Thomas Tuchel that's going to move the dial at all for you? Because to me, it feels very difficult to think of anything that will move the dial. I'm exactly the same. Honestly, it's interesting to see the angles from this. You just, players getting a bit of fitness up, just kind of like putting... Are they unfit? they're not in that are they in that climate that sort of thing in terms of the fitness and preparation for it but and then the players who aren't going maybe just put something in Tuchel's mind for the future like Alex Scott that sort of thing so yeah I feel like to me the only angle I can think of Jim is the idea that you have two warm up games because obviously they've got this one and another one you maybe you just bed in the first 11 you want to play you haven't got to tell anyone to give the game away but you bed in the first 11 and you want to play in the opening group game, and you play that team in both these games, and you make the changes, you're thinking about changing, see how it works out, see what the shape looks like.

14:59That, to me, is the only real reason to do anything. Yeah, I suppose it's about kind of forging those connections

15:06Jim Campbell: or sort of reaffirming those connections, and perhaps you want a player playing slightly forward or slightly further back than they normally do, and you want to check that that doesn't have a knock-on effect on something else. It's about tweaks, isn't it, really, I suppose, in theory if you want to get the best out of it and you take fitness out of it is an issue I can't imagine that playing a couple of games now at the intensity that we played are going to burn any players out I was going to say I wonder how many of the first 11 that Tuchel already knows as well I wonder what number he's on I think 8 or 9 and the couple being I think it'll be whoever plays behind the attacker I think it's those sort of roles Jordan Henderson he's the answer to everything to front man.

15:50Do you think he's got all 11, do you?

15:51Jim Campbell: I do, yeah. I think we'll know by now. I think it's fairly easy to pick it, isn't it? Yeah, I think it is fairly... Weirdly enough, I kind of agree with both of you. I think if it was the case that he's got all 11, I wouldn't be surprised. But if it's a couple that he wants to shuffle around, maybe. I think there are probably question marks over the number 10, I think. Because I think, you know, is he going to play Bellingham there, who he's given the number 10 jersey to? Or is he going to play Morgan Rodgers there, who's kind of done well for him and maybe one or two others. I think probably the centre-back pairing might be of interest perhaps.

16:25The left-back position. So there's a few. I think there's probably a few. I'd like to see England get through without any injuries. Look, I know there's talk of climatising to the heat and all that kind of stuff. I don't really know if I put too much stock in that kind of chat because realistically, if you go on holiday for two weeks or somewhere hot, do you honestly get used to it properly in like two weeks I'd never get used to it so I never get used to the heat because I'm terrible in the heat if you're Jordan Henderson or Jordan Pickford or let's be honest someone from the northeast of England who's not used to these warmer climbs are you realistically going to get used to it it depends how active you are sort of thing because like are you doing obviously a lot more physical activity than you would when you're on holiday when you're just going to the bathroom there's a strawberry jam yeah exactly no they come to you sweat up to the bar they come to you mate just wear the all-inclusive wristband yeah over here and also the interesting thing the interesting thing about I'll do podcasts I can't afford all-inclusive

17:24Jim Campbell: imagine a fee for all-inclusive wristband at this that's basically millions isn't Gianni Infantino in the middle of his all-inclusive life he's got a wristband on the whole time yeah I was going to say on the flip side of the England discussion here is that although we can't really see how much benefit one's going to get from these types of games, it can be very, very bad if it doesn't go well. Yes. Right? You know, I don't know how much they're going to be affected by what's happening back here in the media, but the media will hammer them. If they grind out a nil-nil, like an Algeria-style nil-nil or something that's totally underwhelming and the changes aren't great and blah, blah, blah, people are going to lose their minds.

18:06Anything less than 3-0 and 2-0 will cop it a bit. Yeah. It's literally that, especially given the results that you've mentioned before for New Zealand as well. But do you reckon they care though because they're already out there now and not going to be bothered about.

18:15Jim Campbell: I don't think Thomas Tuchel cares about anything at all. I think that's the really sort of interesting and encouraging thing about him is that he just seems to be aware that the media is a thing and that some people are affected by it. It's just like he doesn't understand it and he just doesn't really think about it. That's certainly the way his manner suggests. Which I think is where you've got to be. It feels like that's how you've got to be. If you're Gareth Southgate and you plug into the zeitgeist and the feeling of how England are as a kind of football-watching nation sort of in 2018 and then beyond, you can kind of ride that wave and you can be a guy that you've got everyone singing about you.

18:51And I know it kind of got stale at the end, but for a few years, everyone was behind it and he really channeled that. The other way of going about it is like you say, just blocking it out entirely, almost putting yourself on a pedestal above it and saying, this is not my concern. I'm about football matches. I'm about winning. And Tuchel has said some kind of quite abrasive things already. I was going to say abrasive is definitely the word, yeah. I mean, like, are we going to get to the say the second round is Tuchel going to have his own song in the pubs of England yeah that's going to be the that's going to be the great level of his success well Mark has already done one Tuchel you're the one of course he has yeah yeah Tuchel you're the one Churchill bombed your mum football's coming home again I quite like that I'd sing that Jim it's a good it's a really good wordplay you've got to you've got to stand back and objectively admire the flow and the tempo and the wordplay thoughts on bombing Jim I don't see you really thinking about that move on from this All right, so we don't really know what we're going to get out of England tomorrow night, but on the New Zealand side of the ledger, I've picked out a couple of players that you might be of interest to watch if you're not that well-versed in New Zealand football.

19:54Elijah Just is a good player, can hurt teams, had a really good season at Motherwell. I think he's been nominated for Scottish Premiership Player of the Season. Motherwell obviously quite well last season. You'll remember Port Vale's Ben Wayne, who scored that header for Port Vale to knock Sunderland out the FA Cup fifth round. Now, I suspect he'll probably be playing second fiddle to Chris Wood, but he might feature at some point. There's some people to watch out for there. As we were saying earlier, England have chosen Florida for their pre-tournament camp to help the players get used to the heat.

20:22An oceanic heat wave, which is named El Nino, a lot of you listening would have heard of that, is predicted to affect this summer's World Cup. It could cause dangerous storms throughout the tournament, something that we've kind of been on high alert for. But despite all this, FIFA have banned fans from taking reusable water bottles into stadiums during the tournament.

20:40Jim Campbell: so good job whoever thought of that because as we know there is a committee about monetizing absolutely everything they've got as far as water if they can think of a way to do it with air they will it's outrageous we all know what the heat is going to be like it's a human right to have water you know and it is you shouldn't have to say that on a football podcast I know right I know that they're arguing that presumably that well water's there for sale but it is just grim given that the players have got you know hydration breaks that is an acknowledgement of how dangerous these conditions are 500 quid a ticket and you're praying for a thunderstorm so you can hold your hands out to cup some water it'd be very dangerous for you to not buy this exactly we are having a moment at the time when a player goes over to a fan who's struggling a bit and gives them some water yeah yeah maybe we're absolutely having that moment but yeah like you say it's astonishing they're just sort of charging for everything but I mean this is America after all and you'll correct me if I'm wrong on this when there's elections you're not allowed to pass water out in queues?

21:42Is that right? Is that a thing? Some parts of the US, yeah. That was it, yeah. Somebody was arrested for it, is that right? There's lots of really weird local rules around voting in elections and timing and queues and intimidation because they, essentially certain parts of the political spectrum in the US like to make it harder for people to vote. But apparently bottled water in these stadiums during the World Cup will cost between$4 and$6, which to me screams of Woodstock 99.

22:07Jim Campbell: Oh, man. Have you seen the documentary? Yes. yeah yeah where basically for those of you who aren't aware that's exactly what happened in Woodstock in 1999 they stopped people being able to get free water it was 100 degrees Fahrenheit for most of the days the whole thing took place in a disused air base which just the tarmac just soaked up the heat and there was a huge riot and people some people lost their lives we hope it obviously doesn't get to that stage but ultimately they are building these environments and building these conditions to make it really really difficult for people who have paid an astonishing amount of money to even watch these games.

22:41The only thing more shocking to me is how woke Jim's become. Apparently, you can't bomb Germany anymore and water's a human right, apparently. It's absolutely disgraceful. The game's gone.

22:52Jim Campbell: Viva the revolution. A really interesting thing about this El Nino thing as well is we have evidence of how disruptive this can be because of the Club World Cup. I think there were six matches delayed in total. We all remember how boring that was. Chelsea played Benfica with five minutes to go. they had to have a two-hour delay because there are sort of thunderstorm protocols. So basically, a game has to be suspended if there is lightning within an eight-mile radius. It's lightning or electrical discharge. I'm interested in what that is if not lightning. All the differences. Yeah. And then they have to go 30 minutes without another lightning strike uninterrupted and they can restart.

23:32Jim Campbell: But if there is a lightning strike in that time, the clock resets, which is why the Chelsea game had a two-hour delay in it. This is extremely likely to happen. This is going to happen at the 3am kickoff. I was about to say, yeah. I'll be up all night waiting for this. I think the electrical discharge thing is what happens if you try and smuggle a bottle of water into the stadium and they give you a little cow prod. A little zap, yeah. And they charge you for it. Yeah, but realistically, I mean, I understand we could have a conversation about the fact that the US, Mexico and Canada have been awarded this tournament.

24:03But aside from that, what can you do? I mean, you've got to put safety first and foremost. If it's thunderstorms in the area and the weather is the weather, ultimately, there's not really much else you can do. That is the protocol, isn't it? You just have to suck it up, right?

24:16Jim Campbell: I mean, I would imagine that Gianni Infantino right now is working on a weather machine. Because to me, he's looking at that going, ad breaks, this is more ad breaks. But there's going to be ad breaks in the hydration breaks, aren't there? Yeah, there are. That's been confirmed. So essentially now we are in all but name having four quarters during the World Cup rather than two halves. Some people are very upset about that. Some people think, some traditionalists think that is an affront to all that is holy in the sport of football. And you're looking at me when I say that. Yeah, I think it's an absolute.

24:40And look, I love US sports and I love NFL and I love NBA. Do I want football to turn into that? Absolutely not. No. I think it's a disgrace what they've done to do. Yeah, I've said it numerous times.

24:49Jim Campbell: Yeah, and I mean, there's the half hour, half time show as well. But I think, I mean, without being kind of too devil's advocate about it, that is kind of a one-off. It is part of the sport culture in the US. I think you could argue that like you could probably do that for a one World Cup final it could be known for it I don't know I think the break is that is something that's going to affect the players in terms of their warm downs and the psychology of it and I know it's the same for both teams but half the players want breaks every five minutes you support Arsenal yeah but that's that's just not the same is it that's a completely false equivalent you're telling me Ben White wouldn't take half an hour tag of Therode if he could get away with it Ben White wants ideally a 90 minute break you think he's going to want Club Island He'd much rather be at home playing Uno with his wife.

25:33Jim Campbell: Yeah, exactly. But actually, to be fair to Ben White, if he has to play, he wants to play. Yeah. Otherwise, he's watching. That's true. And that's what he doesn't like. He hates watching, exactly. He's facing the other way. Look, all this chat we have to do, because ultimately, to be fully transparent about it, there isn't that much football to talk about, and we're excited for the World Cup. But there's not that much positivity around it. No. And it just makes me, I come out of these conversations and thinking, oh God, I just hope it's good. Please be good. If it's not good, it'll be really annoying.

25:58Jim Campbell: we've said it a few times haven't we the football's going to be a really welcome break from the World Cup which is just how it feels at the moment but you know once it starts and kicks off and you're like oh I actually do really oddly care about how Curacao do that's how they'll get us we're actually going to talk about Curacao in a minute so actually let's take a quick break if you're thinking you want to hear about something good well listen Scottish footballers have been shaving each other's backs

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30:04It's McLean. He's looking to go for goal. From the halfway line, it's Chip Smith.

30:14Glorious. Glorious. Kenny McLean from the halfway line. Scotland for Denmark 2. we are returning to the World Cup what a night oh you can't argue with that speaking of good stuff that's what football gets you absolutely we're back on board we're back on board

30:34Jim Campbell: I said at the time it's one of the best games we've ever seen and I stand by it even without the recency bias it wasn't that long ago but it feels like ages doesn't it it does feel like ages ago yeah it's brilliant so Scotland who you heard about in that clip who have qualified for the World Cup of course this summer are playing Bolivia in a friendly at exactly the same time England are playing New Zealand Bolivia have not qualified, but Scotland are taking them on in a warm-up game. Now, last weekend, they beat the aforementioned Curaçao 4-1 in a pre-tournament friendly at Hampden Park. Curaçao went 1-0 up in the game before getting a man sent off.

31:06Dick Avacar was back in the dugout for Curaçao, and he looked amazing. He just looks like a gigantic, relaxed Dutch Buddha.

31:14Jim Campbell: Yes. You cannot fail but to be 50 % intimidated, but 50 % reassured because he's such a presence and he was very unhappy with the sending off for the Curacao player and then we guys saw it. But the two reasons he was annoyed was one because it was a red card and a friendly which is kind of an interesting discussion point because I do think you do see referees being a lot more lenient encouraging substitutions blah blah blah but the second reason and I think the main reason is that it looked really soft. Like really soft. So basically for those who haven't seen it a Scottish player clears the ball Curacao player comes in on him kind of quite half-arsed, quite late, but quite half-arsed, barely touches him and he gets sent off.

31:56There's nothing in it. No, there's nothing in it. It was almost like, oh, it's a bit dull. Should we just cause a bit of incident here? Yeah. It was weird. Yeah, yeah, just nothing in it. But Scotland went on to win 4-1, as I said, Jim, and they'll be really looking to get the afterburners going ahead of the World Cup because they want to become the first Scottish team to qualify this group phase. And it's never been easier, let's be clear. It's never been easier.

32:13Jim Campbell: Absolutely. And this is a massive opportunity for them to do that and to become sort of heroes and, you know, kind of legendary players in the national team. And it's a huge, huge opportunity. They look really, really up for it. The noises coming out of the camp all seem really positive and focused. I'm really excited about Scotland's World Cup campaign. It'll be interesting to see. I was going to say, like, Steve Clarke can sometimes, I don't know, kind of kill any buzz, I think, with his kind of dour style and demeanour. So hopefully they can actually do something and they're not just going for like a sing-song, basically.

32:46Jim Campbell: Yeah, although if Haiti are the surprise package that you were suggesting earlier, Luke, I mean, if that doesn't start well, then that will be a real dampener. But hopefully that's not going to be the case. I mean, Scotland look pretty good against Curacao, who have obviously qualified for the World Cup in their own merits as well. Scotland are always going to be favourites in that game. But they played some really nice stuff. If you look at the really low-ranked teams that have qualified for this World Cup, it's Haiti it's Curacao it's Cape Verde it's weirdly Ghana Ghana are way down there I was well surprised at how low ranked Ghana are that is surprising and but the thing is the last thing you want to hear as a Scotland fan is that Haiti have looked quite good in the build up because Morocco are good Brazil are obviously Brazil yeah you don't I mean you don't really want to be playing like I mean because what you can see happening a mile off is that now to me from what I've seen Haiti are a better team than Curacao right yes I'd say they are.

33:44Even though Haiti's ranking is quite far down there as well. But the last thing you want, you're playing Haiti first. And if you lose that, it looks really, really tough. So they've got to kind of hit the ground running. They really have. Haiti have got Wilson Isidor from Sunderland as well, by the way, for those of you looking out for players that you're familiar with. One of your lot. Darren Fletcher's son played in that game as well. Made his debut, age 19.

34:09Jim Campbell: For quite sad reasons, though. Yeah, because Billy Gilmore's out. Gutting. I love Gilmore's playing this tournament was set up for him as well probably the tempo games are going to run at as well Gilmore could have an absolute just stroking it about I think he could have been fantastic he really do him and McSauce have obviously been out there at Napoli with that in hot weather as well do you think McSauce will miss him? of course I think everybody's going to miss him it's a knee injury isn't it he managed to sort of leave the pitch in relative comfort but was diagnosed afterwards it's really really sad some of their Instagram content while at Napoli has been fantastic together just talking Italian stuff it's funny because I said before the break that it's been revealed that Liam Kelly shaves Grant Hanley's back because he needs his back shaved apparently and this was a part of a video on the BBC website of all the different you know it's kind of really shit I think that actually generally speaking this content's shit it's like let's find something quirky for players to say within the five minutes they've got after training to do their media responsibilities But this one was quite interesting because what you got out of it was that Liam Kelly shows Grant Ali's back, which is bizarre.

35:16Jim Campbell: Which is very strange. And the other thing you got out of it was that everyone massively thinks that McTominay is like total big time charming now. He's like proper chocolado. Every single question about, oh, who thinks he's the best dressed? McTominay. There's another funny thing. By the way, he wasn't even in the video. He's too big time. He's outgrown it. I'll do it in Italian. I'll do it in Neapolitan. I'm not doing it in English. there's another thing that came out of it which is that apparently Lyndon Dykes is always following Ryan Christie around and apparently they're inseparable but it's not by Ryan Christie's choice that was what John McGinn was saying so he's been absolutely thrown under the bus there he does yeah covering tattoos all the way up to his chin but in that in that curacao game I meant to say I've completely forgot to say that it looked like for periods of the game Clark was playing two strikers yes which is quite interesting he's playing Dykes and Shankan together at one point and then George Hurst and Shanklin as well.

36:08Jim Campbell: Dykes and Shanklin sounds a bit like a sort of garage duo. It sounds like those two, it does a bit, but it also sounds a bit like those two Victorian doctors who were caught digging up graves to do autopsies on bodies. Yes, yes. What were they called? I can't remember now. There was a movie with Simon Pegg, wasn't there? There was, yeah. Was it with Simon Pegg? It was with Simon Pegg. Okay, right, yeah. Yeah, and listen, going back to those ominous signs for Scotland, every team in Scotland's World Cup group have scored at least four goals in pre-tournament friendlies this week. So if Scotland put four past Bolivia, they'll join that gang.

36:43And Bolivia don't seem to be that good. I was looking at Bolivia's squad. They're obviously not qualified. They don't really seem to have many European-based players, which I know is a biased thing to say, but it doesn't look like they've been the team of the past. They obviously love playing at home anyway. I was about to say, they're only good when they're at home and the opposition can't breathe. Yeah, exactly. So we've got this amazing wheeze. we don't let the other team breathe it and it makes it much easier for us you know if you don't try it FIFA will so good luck to Scott in their game against Bolivia and we're watching that with interest I'm probably going to double screen it actually having said that I don't know what channel these games are on what channel are they on guys can you let me know what channel is any football on these days does anybody really want it's not a UA for sanctioned games so it can't be hidden away behind some paywall on a website at some point we'll find out and we'll let you know

37:28Jim Campbell: sorry it is on the Ocado Ocado website great and you can only Watch it if you get a delivery worth£40 or more. Exactly. Find out more at ocardo.com forward slash football ripoff. On Wednesday, we mentioned the Brazil plan was being baptised before travelling to the World Cup. And we also mentioned on Uncut that the Turkish players and staff were joined by a convoy of 100 red cars and motorbikes as they travelled to the airport to fly to America. You can become a friend of the Ramble by clicking the link in the show notes to listen to that now. It's still there. other teams some other teams this is the great part about it right I said there's not much football to talk about but the teams turning up is good that's good content and we enjoy that very much it's good behaviour the Japanese team were given a hat it looked to be like a cowboy hat type thing it wasn't a big sombrero it was like a cowboy style hat and that's great we like to see that it feels to me like maybe the Mexican equivalent of turning up in Hawaii and being given a lay but they don't they didn't they didn't wear them the Japanese players just kind of head down carried on through the arrivals, didn't put a hat on.

38:34And it feels to me like it's that old Billy Connolly line. Don't trust a man or you put him in a room with a tea cozy in the corner. If he's not put it on his head after like 10 minutes, don't trust him.

38:43Jim Campbell: You need to be putting on hats you've been handed. Absolutely. Perhaps they're confused that it wasn't a sombrero. I was confused why it wasn't a sombrero. Did they fly into a part of the country which is known for horse rams? Perhaps. Who knows? Could be. Yeah. I mean, you've got to be putting that hat on. I've been to Mexico in Cancun Airport one of the first things you see when you're waiting for airport transfers and stuff is a bar. Tequila, Modelo. Exactly, all that sort of stuff. It's like, this is what we're about, this is what you expected. It's brilliant. Let's get involved. For me, when I visit the US, particularly New York City, the Modelo hits better.

39:21It's the only lager I want to drink in New York City.

39:23Jim Campbell: It's closer to the source. And you can get it here, but it's not the same. I think, with a little cowboy hat in the phone. it's quite popular at the moment now as well can you remember when the Belgian beer Lefe had a bit of a bit of a period as well where it was in a lot of movies product placement seems like Modelo is that type of beer Lefe is way too strong it's horrible I like Lefe but you only have him one yeah Modelo is what a good friend of ours would call sessionable yes very sessionable yes and you feel like when you're in New York City drinking a Modelo you feel like you are a line cook just come off a shift and you are really living you feel like you're basically Anthony Bourdain yeah I was about to say speaking of teams arriving in country Cape Verde their arrival was great did you see this on the tarmac at the airport oh yes they were singing and dancing with the airport staff the airport staff were into it because Americans do get into stuff that's the thing that's what annoys me about all this negative build up is that generally speaking Americans I'm going to stereotype here but it's a positive stereotype they're very positive they love getting involved they like putting on the show they like hosting yeah and they saw they saw that Cape Verde were excited to be there and they just got involved.

40:34Jim Campbell: Yeah. It was brilliant this. You would think that the airport staff supported Cape Verde and knew the players off by heart. It was great. It was really good. Yeah, and hopefully we'll get more of that and hopefully that will shine through. Now, a word for Marcus Speller here because Marcus says all year round that you've got to be on international football all year round so that you can enjoy it when these tournaments come around. I get it. I get that. Totally. and I am legitimately excited about Bolivia v. Scotland in a way that I wouldn't be for the rest of the year so there's method to mark You're double-screening as well Oh absolutely Yeah Good on you mate So ocado.com for one No well listen I've got an update on that According to producer Tom and producer Lauren Scotland are on BBC2 and England are ICV1 and Ocado don't actually operate in Scotland Sorry Jim So it's a disrespectful thing to shout The Scots are really messing up They're not having Ocado and rightly so by the way and that's rightly so I mean the fact it shows them up in great light the Scottish that they refuse to adopt Ocado which is the most middle class of all the Super Mario options we have to agree with that anyway listen before we do move to a break because we've got some Real Madrid stuff to talk about some Premier League stuff before we go on that Marcus international thing I thought about that the other day and I was thinking he is genuinely very passionate about international football and good on him but we're all quite hypocritical because I think there's an element to us who are proper football fans that when all the Johnny come late get involved in the World Cup it can be a bit annoying and that's probably how he feels about us because we're like oh just give us Premier League yeah I think it's one of the reasons he finds us annoying oh yeah one of the many reasons alright coming up after this Man City get even more hypocritical

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44:03Welcome back to the Football Ramble. We've got some more Real Madrid news. On Wednesday, we discussed the presidential battle between Enrique Raquelme and Florentino Perez.

44:16Basically, Enrique Raquelme is trying to get an advantage in this election and he's making some claims.

44:21Jim Campbell: He is. And the claims he's making are also being broadcast on El Chiringuito, which I don't know too much about, David. You probably know more about it than me. It's almost, it's a football news show. It's a football news show. But it's almost like a cartoon show. It's very tabloidy, isn't it? It's a bit like Art Attack or Zap in how it's presented. There's two like pink zig and zag type Muppets in front of the desk at all times. It's amazing. being animated and we'd not heard from El Chiringuito for a while so I'm glad they're back on the scene to be honest so Raquel May was on there he was interviewed on there and he said a couple of things in front of these weird pink Muppets it's just very distracting he said that if he's elected and he fails to keep his promises he will pay all the members membership fees lovely classic bit of populism love to see that but the thing that he said that's got people hot under the collar is that he basically held up a shirt on TV with Harland on the back and said that if he becomes president, he'll be able to activate a release clause that he claims is in Haaland's Man City contract.

45:27Now, Man City have denied the existence of any such clause and have now, this is the delicious part, threatened legal action against claims by Rick Elmer that he could bring Haaland to the club. Oh, sorry, you like legal action now, do you, Man City? Amazing. Yeah, they're on retainer, though. As far as we'll get involved.

45:43Jim Campbell: So, a little correction there. It wasn't El Chiranguito. It was El Jormiguero, which is a Spanish chat show. that means the ant hill I'll just read a little description of it here Hormiguero is a Spanish television program with a live audience focusing on comedy, science and guest interviews Is that the one with the puppets? Yeah, Enrique Raquelme has gone on this comedy science show to claim that Real Madrid are going to sign Erling Haaland and then Man City have threatened to sue them. It's incredible stuff. But Florentino Perez has responded with a big claim of his own Yeah, he's done a proper like, he's done a proper like, I'm not going to tell you who it is.

46:20Yeah. I'm going to keep it under wraps. Who is it? Don't know. Honestly, he's going to be a 150 million player. He's not from the Premier League. Yeah. We're going to find out soon.

46:30Jim Campbell: The speculation is Jaunez, isn't it? That's the topic. But he said, he said, I'll give you like several clues or something. He was properly like playing it. I mean, he's basically behaving in a way that a man approaching 80 should just not be behaving. And he said, he's going to sign a new Galactica with a club record offer. and it's on the level of like Messi and Ronaldo. I mean, it can't be Gio Neves. It can only really be, I was thinking, do it? Because he made a hint about being an attacking player, because somebody said, oh, it can't be an attacking player, and he goes, oh, we can always have more.

47:01Jim Campbell: Yeah, it could be Kavaric Scalia. Just really, really stuff that left side. I can't see Kavaric going to Real Madrid. I really hope that doesn't happen. It won't necessarily be someone they actually sign, will it? It's just going to be a big name. Imagine if it's Nico Paz. It can't be. It's proper week of the election, like tax cut stuff. I love it. It's like, don't worry, we'll cut all your taxes and we'll give you all the stuff you want. Just vote for us. He also had a dig at Raquel May, didn't he, when he was saying that he didn't reveal the name of this player. And he's like, obviously, you know, we will speak to the club that he plays for a role because that's how it's done.

47:36Jim Campbell: Yeah. It was good. It did make Raquel May look a little bit amateurish. But it also makes Perez claim that he's always behaved impeccably throughout his entire tenure, which obviously isn't the case. No. Probably even on the story of any individual day. I'll tell you what, we mentioned earlier in the week that if Florentino Perez is re-elected, Jose Mourinho will be the Real Madrid manager. And I saw some amazing news out of Mourinho's camp this week, which is that he's lodged a complaint with the European Court of Human Rights over disciplinary sanctions he received during his tenure as coach of Turkish club, Benibadze.

48:17It's absolutely incredible stuff,

48:20Jim Campbell: even by his standards. Part of it is because he got a€10 ,000 fine. It's like... Come on, you've got to admire that. He's probably never really going back to Turkey. It doesn't matter. Do you think he's even appealed it in Turkey? He's just gone nuclear, straight away, gone straight to the European Court of Human Rights. We must be missing something here. Surely he's never going to go back. It's like getting a parking fine in fucking... It doesn't matter. It's the principle. But you're never going to go back. It doesn't matter. He's got... Mourinho has definitely got a list from over the years.

48:50Oh, yeah. Little acts as he's still got the brand. Like Aralistar. He'll always remember. Yeah. Just, yeah, says them to himself at night. It's like when Inter Milan won at Camp Nou and he pointed it up and everything like that. He was like, I remember you didn't hire me. You didn't hire me. You could have had me. He goes to bed every night going, Pep Guardiola. Rafa Albení says.

49:12Jim Campbell: everyone in Turkey yeah crazy work I enjoy the work I just like the fact that that's broken the same week that he's going to be Real Madrid manager potentially well he will be won't he David what's the chat we don't know he's going to be it's going to happen it's essentially done do you think there's no chance of Raquel May winning this election then no none Flopper runs the show he runs Spain never mind Madrid come on can't be deposed no so he's going through the motions of making it look like it's democratic? Because he's responding and he's having digs and all that kind of stuff. He's a bloody dictator of mine.

49:45Come on. Is he the Andy Burnham of Real Madrid? Yeah.

49:52All right. Other news. Oh, we should just probably confirm, tick the box, that Liverpool have now confirmed Andoni Eriola as their new manager. That's exciting, I think.

50:00Jim Campbell: It is, yeah. He looked quite odd in the Liverpool training gear, though. It takes a while for the eyes to get used to it, doesn't it? It does, yeah. Like when you see a player who's been playing for summer for ages in a completely different gear. At first glance, I thought it was Fulham. I was like, whoa, that's a turnaround. Marcus Silva's left Fulham, hasn't he? He has. Massive turnover in that. Yeah, loads of churn. In the Premier League. And we're not going to go into Eriola again because we've done it to death already. Man United have given 40-year-old Tom Heaton a new one-year contract at the club in more Marcus Speller news.

50:29We were calling for Man United to start Heaton under Ruben Amarin. Remember, that's how bad it got under Amarin. I loved... I mean,

50:35Jim Campbell: that was slightly self-serving, wasn't it? Well, Well, this is what the show is. Sure. If nothing else, it's self-serving. But the reason I included it is because the Manchester Evening News went for an amazing headline, right? And bearing in mind the context here is that the transfer window is going very much open. People can sign players. It may not have been linked with Edison from Atalanta, a great midfield player. Very exciting. We'll come on to him in a minute. So the Manchester Evening News know all this. Their headline for Tom Heaton signing a new one-year contract, Man United agree deal for player Casemiro called Very Important.

51:09Jim Campbell: It's great work. It's really great work. You're thinking, this could be anyone. This could be anyone. That's classic. It's Tom Heaton. Classic SEO work. Yeah, it's great SEO work. You know what you're doing, honestly. Just come off the back of another course you had to do to get your pay band up to pay band D. And you're putting that SEO work to great use. Fantastic work. Man United have, you know, they've agreed a£35 million deal with Atalanta for the aforementioned Brazilian midfielder, Edison. He looks great, by the way. Is he good? David, is he good? I think he's good. That's not as good last season, were they?

51:41No, they weren't as good. But look, it's a good signing. I don't think it's an exciting signing. He looks to me like he's a proper central midfield player, can do a bit of everything. He looks quite strong. He looks quite big. He gets the ball in tight spaces. He can clear up danger. To me, he looks decent.

51:58Jim Campbell: Yeah, and that's exactly what they've been lacking at times, isn't it? And Casemiro having that kind of renaissance, I suppose. in terms of his own Man United career, is going to leave a hole for that sort of player as well, right? Yeah, definitely. Look, they've been burned with Agathe. Do you think he's a player that they hoped Agathe would be? Yeah, of course. They'll absolutely hope that. And I think he does a lot. Agathe was always very limited on the ball and his numbers are always showing that. And Edison's a lot better in that regard. So I think he will be better than Agathe. But it's not really a sign that I don't think to get overly excited about.

52:31He'll just go in there and just plug a few gaps in midfield basically just keep things balanced and stable so yeah alright and they're also interested in Man United in Hayden Hackney who I think is quality yes absolutely quality and I'd love to see what his ceiling is going to be yeah they've been heavily linked to Hackney and Alex Scott this week as well so a lot of links there for him there is chat that Hayden Hackney might go to Everton instead though which I guess means because he wants to play every game I suppose but the thing is though I said this to Marcus in a slightly different context a week or so ago if you're an up and come a young player of that quality in Hayden Hackney you back yourself right so you might feel like you want to play in the Champions League yeah I totally get that and look I think a few of these players are starting to think now where am I going to go and play 40-45 games in a season and not be kind of a backup somewhere so they might be looking at it from that angle as well so I can see why Everton would be a good move for him as well I think it's disappointing for Middlesbrough right because they would like to have been promoted they probably knew if they didn't get promoted they'd lose him but I think he's the next I don't know he's the next midfield superstar but he's a quality player Oh definitely Absolute class Definitely It's a good name isn't it Hayden Hackney It's a great footballer's name Absolutely The moment he was born You probably think He's going to be a footballer It's called Hayden Hackney Exactly His son's very Football manager regen He does Yeah Absolutely Right that's all We've got time for today We hope you have a nice weekend Coming up later today Is the Jackson Encyclopedia Finale Super exciting Hosted by Jim Me versus Marcus versus Vish We're battling it out For the trophy and the belt It'll be available To listen to later today Make sure you subscribe To the Football Ramble in your podcast app so that you don't miss it.

54:04Before we go, though, I thought to myself, this is the last show I'm going to host for a while because Marcus is back on Monday. So what I'd like to do is what I always try and do whenever I host a show, and that's give the last word to a hero of mine in football. Someone who knows who really influenced me a lot and I've enjoyed watching and listening to over the years. So today it's going to be Rio Ferdinand. Okay. And there's a quote that broke from Rio Ferdinand earlier this week that I'm just going to read to you and you can draw your own conclusions from it. I don't use the same toilet as my wife I like to keep the romance between us from being ruined even in the middle of the night I look for another toilet because I think some things can kill the passion in a relationship I look for another toilet

54:45Jim Campbell: he's not sure of where all of them are in his house I wonder how many he's got yeah he's got loads yeah what do people who sponsor his show think would they just say oh yeah that's alright he's wandering around the house in the middle of the night looking for a toilet before he pisses himself. How the other half live, honestly. Searching for a child. I know. Fucking hell. Sorry, do you think pissing yourself in the middle of the night ruins a fashion relationship? Or just going into a plant that happens to be nearby. It suggests that he's just wandering around looking for anything, really, doesn't it?

55:16See you later for Jackson's Encyclopedia.

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