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3:00Luke Moore: I don't understand how a heart is a spade, everybody. Welcome to the Football Ramble Preview Show. Arsenal host Chelsea and Moyes faces his old club. It's Friday 4th of September. I'm Marcus Speller. I'm Luke Moore. And I'm the Duchy and the Hunter Raja.

3:24Luke Moore: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Football Ramble live show on our YouTube channel. It's the preview show. It's Friday, everybody. Woo! As Ric Flair might have said back in the day. Still does, probably. Yeah, maybe. Probably still does say that. Maybe. I'm here with Luke Moore and Vertuzhan Hathraja. Gentlemen, have you got that Friday feeling, Vish?

3:44Marcus Speller: I do, especially that we're live. It puts you on edge. The weekend is upon us. It relaxes me. It could be taken away from us. And I'll tell you how Luke relaxes me. We were singing Black Eyed Peas before we started actually. Definitely wasn't. Definitely was not singing the Black Eyed Peas. Favourite artist? Yeah. Nope. No, no, no, no. Oh, not that one. Yeah. Okay. Don't mind a bit of Fergie, but no.

4:02Luke Moore: Yes. As a friend of mine once tweeted, like Manchester United, it was never the same after Fergie left. Yeah. That was Kristen Hennage. Well done, Kristen. Now then, gentlemen. He gets a shout out. Yeah, well, it was a great tweet. It went viral. Did it? Yeah. See, that's what you've got to do. That's what it takes, is it? My goodness, I've tried. My goodness.

4:21Marcus Speller: Do you still print out viral tweets? Yeah, Marcus does, yeah. Puts them up on his wall. Puts them up and puts them on his wall, yeah. Next to Oasis song lyrics. That's a good idea. And old 442 magazine adverts of Adidas Sambas. Oh. Yeah. That's good nostalgia here, that.

4:36Luke Moore: They were the days, weren't they? They were. They were the days. Bring them back. Bring them back. You and Nigel, bring them back. Which Nigel? Kennedy. Yeah, Nigel Kennedy. He's very 90s. Marcus has launched a new show with Nigel Kennedy. Nigel Kennedy's fine, isn't he? They don't know who he is. Yeah, I know. Did you know the young producers over there? The young Turks in the corner? Back in the 90s, weirdly enough, he was a famous violinist. No, but why is that weird? It just is.

5:01Marcus Speller: That's all right, isn't it? Famous violinist is just a weird thing to say in the year 2026. Yeah, I think so.

5:06Luke Moore: Yeah. I think so. Love what he did with the verve, though, that time. Yeah, he did do one with the verve. He never. Right. it's the preview show let's talk about football shall we let's start with the game which will rightly be billed as Super Sunday the Super Sunday headline act Arsenal versus Chelsea 4.30 on Sunday this is a big one Luke Moore some people myself included have got Arsenal as title favourites you among a few have got Chelsea down as title favourites yeah I have and they're unbeaten they are unbeaten yeah I mean they've conceded a few it's a great game it's a really good opening kind of exchange isn't it between two teams that we do think will do well this season I think Chelsea will be great this season they've shown that they can win games and score goals as we said earlier in the week the front three are looking really almost irresistible straight away which is great however they are conceding goals it should make for a really interesting game look I think that if Chelsea go to the Emirates the emirates and um and do something interesting like i actually think that's a that's a really cool kind of stamp being put down for the start of the season a cool stamp i think it's a really cool stamp yeah kind of the kind of one you get uh used to get again back in the 90s when you'd been in the crowd at a nickelodeon recording yeah a cool cool cool stamp sounds like yeah sounds like when you were at nickelodeon recording in scotland back in the day no it was um mickey mouse club no it was disney channel disney no not disney channel it was um the disney club disney club it It was on a Saturday morning.

6:38Luke Moore: Yeah, yeah. I didn't know they recorded it. I was there leaning against a big old mushroom in my Dallas Cowboys top. It's such a great image. I wish we could find it. I'll tell you what, if Donaldson can't find it, it's not out there. I've had a look, but Pete needs to get on that. Imagine that, Vish. How old were you? Like nine, maybe? A nine or ten-year-old Marcus Speller leaning against a giant mushroom on the Disney club in the Dallas Cowboys top. And it was right behind the presenters. So you could see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you could go through those episodes, you'd find that. The camera found him even there.

7:07Luke Moore: Yeah, yeah. What were you trying to do?

7:09Marcus Speller: Mickey's still around, is it?

7:10Luke Moore: Yeah, the Fonz. Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake on the other side. They were never at the Edinburgh recordings. No way. No. Anyway, what was I talking about? Yeah, did you get a cool stamp or not? No. Oh, no, a cool stamp sounds like a bit of a dance move, doesn't it? It does a bit. Yeah, cool stamp, your hot stamp, your cool stamp. Stop it. If you're Jabby Alonso. Stop it. That's what they do in Real Fofiadad. And stop. You find Royal Society, that's what they're doing. They're doing the cool stamp. I just think going back to the game at hand it will it will be a massive statement for Chelsea to go to the Emirates and do something good and it will tell you whether they have actually got credentials or not because you know look their life or death with Brighton they came out on the right side of that it was a great game but I mean Brighton fought their way back into it life or death I think it's a bit strong okay the scoreline makes it look like that perhaps it was a little bit less like that than the scoreline suggests life or death against Fulham let's say They beat Luton in the cup and obviously they had an interesting exchange with Fulham on the TV as well.

8:11Going away to Arsenal is a different proposition, right? That's my point, essentially.

8:16Luke Moore: Yeah, it is, Vish. You can't deny that, that playing against Arsenal is different to playing against Luton in the cup.

8:22Marcus Speller: It's a great point. I've got nothing more to say on that. That is a good point. That was mean as well. That's all right. I'm not.

8:31Luke Moore: I'm laughing. He thinks he's back at the Disney club. That's why I'm laughing. I can't believe... You called us Kid in Town, right? The big milkshakes and the... Ah, magnificent. Magnificent.

8:39Marcus Speller: I've seen those big-eared boys in your club. Yeah. Yeah. The... Is this happening a little too early in the season for it to be fun? I think you need it. No, I think it's perfect. I think you need one. It's like, you know, when you watch a big blockbuster movie, you need some kind of... Start a Jurassic Park, right? I watched The Odyssey the other day.

8:56Luke Moore: Okay. Right. That doesn't really fit into what I'm about to say. Okay. Start a Jurassic Park. You've got the classic Robert Muldoon shoot-hard scene. to the 90s again. Scene. And that grabs you. You can't just all be a crescendo. Start of the Dark Knight. Exactly. Very good example. You definitely need that. The Bank Heist at the Start of the Dark Knight is a great example. I tried to use a contemporary reference there.

9:18Marcus Speller: But to use the Dark Knight example, just with Arsenal and the way they play and Chelsea being a bit skittish, this is a little bit like going in an actual, just having a normal bank transfer. It is. Because Arsenal are so matter of fact And we've already seen at the start of the season that evidently they're going to try and defend it in the way that they want it, which is by being as solid as possible. Yes, Chelsea's attack is exciting, but then there's that bit of a friction point. And also Chelsea would be, as we've seen in that game against Brighton, they're going to be willing to give the ball to Arsenal.

9:51Luke Moore: I think Chelsea are the disruptors this season.

9:53Marcus Speller: They could be, but also... And that's what Big Todd

9:56Luke Moore: and the boys want.

9:56Marcus Speller: The upsetters.

9:57Luke Moore: The upsetters. The upsetters. Yeah, they have upset a lot of people over the years.

10:00Marcus Speller: Big Todd. and Xabi Alonso is Lee Scratch Perry and Chelsea are the upsetters I love that that's a great analogy yeah Todd Bowley just sitting in his office being like yeah we really are the underdog it's actually a really bad week for Todd Bowley and his cronies to have been associated with reform based on what broke this morning it's a bad well yeah fair but it's a particularly bad week it's a particularly bad week oh damn they've let us down this week yeah what we've seen is true it could really affect his reputation it could

10:27Luke Moore: it absolutely could but they are the upsetters is a really good analogy. Vish, do you have any confidence in the fact that Chelsea at some point will, under Alonso, sort themselves out defensively? Do you think this is like opening start to the season kind of jitters or is it just going to be a hallmark of how they play?

10:43Marcus Speller: I wonder if it's going to be a hallmark of how they play. I feel like that kind of refinement takes much longer than a pre-season or a transfer window. It'd be... A whole new system in defence

10:52Luke Moore: for them and new personnel as well.

10:54Marcus Speller: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And also, if you look at Pyle Leverkusen, probably his only previous stint where you can take any real cues from. They were quite open. They just happened to be better and more efficient going forward. I mean, that front three, as Luke mentioned at the start, of Rodgers, Pedro and Palmer. That's just lovely stuff, really. But Arsenal, you can't really get through them. And the fact that Chelsea have already conceded two set-pieces makes me think that this might just be a simple, scoreline-wise, quite a simple Arsenal win. And the reason I say it's happening too early, you kind of want the table to take shape and people start to get desperate.

11:30Marcus Speller: I think Chelsea will be happy to take a point from that game. I mean, the only thing I'd say back to you on that is the idea that if we're going to talk about new personnel, you know, Arsenal are probably going to play Konza. They'll probably have to play Konza. It's going to be his debut, his full debut.

11:45Luke Moore: Tough debut, yeah. And it's a tough old assignment. And then in front of Gabriel and Konza will be Declan Rice, obviously, but possibly Bruno Gimreich as well. And it'll be a big assignment for him and effectively in a new shirt as well. And they could open themselves up for vulnerability there, maybe. Because that front three of Chelsea is great.

12:03Marcus Speller: Yeah. And the way they play as well, take up difficult positions. It's not like, you know, back in the day when you're playing up against a big man and a little man strike duo. It's like a front three who take up interesting positions. They're tricky players with the ball at their feet. Pedro's got a lot about him. I think Pedro's probably quite underrated just chiefly because Erling Haaland just sucks in so much of the gravity and so much of the attention as a striker. Pedro's got so much about his game.

12:29Luke Moore: Not enough to get in Carlo Ancelotti's World Cup squad. Which looks more and more weird by the week. I mean, it was weird at the time, wasn't it? It was weird, it was. I mean, he's basically, rather than just picking up the phone to João Pedro, he's sitting down having endless meetings with Neymar about things he can't do on Instagram. And then he wonders why Brazil fucking failed at the World Cup. Sorry for swearing on the YouTube live stream. Sorry. Not that sorry, no.

12:51Marcus Speller: Do you think, Ancelotti, you simply cannot swear when you go live on Instagram. You don't have to train, that's fine. Just don't swear on Instagram live.

12:58Luke Moore: Well, he was at Stamford Bridge last weekend, wasn't he?

13:01Marcus Speller: He took it a couple of games, didn't he, last weekend? He was fucking Notting Hill Carnival last week. Of course he was.

13:05Luke Moore: Come on. That's why he was in London. He was M.R's hype man. What do you think of this game? I think it'll be good. Good, okay, great. No, I think it will be. I think that Chelsea, the whole disruptors nonsense we were just talking about there, their job here is to unsettle Arsenal and try to do what so many teams failed to do last season and have already failed to do this season as well. And it will be very interesting to see if they can do that. And as you say, Arsenal will have one or two unfamiliar faces in that line-up quite possibly. So I think it's a fascinating encounter. I think this is a proper Super Sunday game and I'm bloody looking forward to it as well.

13:44Luke Moore: And of course, Mikel Arteta and Xabi Alonso are our childhood friends.

13:48Marcus Speller: Which we need, yeah, and we need to create a rift between them. We cannot have two managers at teams who are going to challenge for the title be Macy.

13:58Luke Moore: No. Neither of them

13:59Marcus Speller: have got it in them though. I don't think.

14:01Luke Moore: What, to be... To be... No, there's not going to be any punches to them.

14:05Marcus Speller: Can we throw in a love interest?

14:07Luke Moore: That would definitely work. That would definitely work. What about an open letter? Mikel Arteta writing Javi Alonso an open letter. A love letter. Whatever letter, kind of letter. Quite simply, to Javi Alonso's wife. That'll get it going. That'll do it. Or the other way. The other way's more of a threat, really.

14:23Marcus Speller: Is it? Javi's... A love triangle? Ryan from the OC stuff. that.

14:28Luke Moore: Yeah, well something. They both look quite cute in their childhood photo, don't they? They do, yeah. The famous photo of them both together, they look very cute. The same youth football team in San Sebastian. Yeah. You've been to San Sebastian.

14:39Marcus Speller: I know, how are they not fat fuckers? Yeah. There's just so much... They're just used to it. They're used to the food being good, aren't they? Yeah, probably. They're used to living in

14:46Luke Moore: the land of plenty. But if you've eaten a lot of fish, you know, that's, you know, not battered, not battered, remember?

14:52Marcus Speller: Yeah, everything comes on bread. You have to have the wine, even when you're small, cute children. So they've really come up against it. Fair play to them.

15:01Luke Moore: Yes, indeed. They've never managed against each other before, have they? No. Which is quite an interesting little pecker, do they? In a competitive fixture, I'm reliably informed. Right. So in case there is some little quiz question-y type agenda on anybody. It's not a game that would count in a My Biddy Ark, for example. It wouldn't. No, so that's fair enough. Which is the litmus test we should all aim for. Indeed it is. No, I think it's going to be a great game. I think it's compulsive viewing. I think everybody should view it. I like when they have a game like this as the final game of the weekend.

15:30It does feel a bit like, you know, it feels a bit like Metallica playing the Sunday at Reading. It's what you're all looking forward to.

15:36Luke Moore: Yeah, I'm glad you said Reading there. Yeah, well, yeah, it would be Reading. Or Leeds, if you're of the Northern persuasion. True. But Metallica's headline, Metallica's closing a show at a metal festival, effectively, is how things should be. Yeah. And I think Arsenal v. Chal - Who should close at Glastonbury? certainly not Coldplay yeah I mean that would feel familiar though yeah but I mean when Coldplay played Glastonbury was it last summer it was last summer was it whenever it was it was genuinely and I mean this sincerely and wholeheartedly this is not going to be positive it was genuinely one of the worst things I've ever seen so I don't just mean in music you haven't but you famously you haven't watched the news for the last 20 years though or the last 20 years 20 days.

16:22It's worse than 95 % of news stories on the BBC News at 10. 95 % of them. It's a truly awful thing that we should be frivolous about. 10 in the morning, that is, though. It was, it was, I mean, it was so poor. Yeah. So I think, ultimately, not Coldplay is my answer to that. But the point I'm trying to make, I am labouring to it. I can see that. But Metallica at Reading makes sense. Sunday night at a festival, you want to close it off with a bang, right? Sunday weekend, Sunday of a weekend of football, Arsenal-Chelsea's good. If this game was at Saturday lunchtime, I wouldn't be having that. It's not a Saturday lunchtime game.

16:55Marcus Speller: That would push it more towards being quite a docile affair, wouldn't it? People are still getting to sleep out of their eyes. I think actually you could go further and say this weekend in general, the classic televised fixtures, I'll say classic, the modern televised fixtures, the Friday night, the Saturday lunchtime, the Saturday tea time, and the Sunday games. That's it. Let me read them to you. They're actually all absolutely on point. So you're very happy with Liverpool having to go to Whipswich Friday night. Lovely. That's a night that is great. Lovely, lovely, lovely. Saturday lunchtime, Newcastle-Bourma's a lovely palate cleanser.

17:27Yeah. Newcastle's started the season very well. Okay. They might do, actually, they might play very well against Bournemouth. I think you've been slightly generous, but I'll go with you. Harla, Aston Villa on Saturday tea time's good. That's nice. That's nice. Little warm-up for Arsenal-Chelsea on a Sunday. Everton Man United. Now you're talking. That's a classic. I'm all in on that. They're across the board, they're great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not looking at a single televised picture there, Vish, and your heart's sink at all.

17:50Luke Moore: Oh, the Premier League's in full flow, isn't it? It's back. Come on.

17:54Marcus Speller: If Arsenal-Chelsea is Metallica on a Sunday evening, does that technically make Everton-Manus-United, Daphne and Celeste at Glastonbury? Oh, that's naughty, Vish. That was actually Reading as well, I think. Was it Reading as well? I think it was.

18:05Luke Moore: No, that's a bit naughty. It's something a bit softer, but it's still very worthwhile. Do you want a little bit of a genuinely interesting bit of trivia that you can go back and check around Reading? This is absolutely contextual to the conversation we're having. The guy who either designed the posters or booked the artist for Reading and Leeds throughout the time, I don't know if he still does it. It's Sir Cliff Richard. No, it's not Sir Cliff Richard. But nice for him to get a mention. Good guess though, good guess. Do you want to check the BBC ticket?

18:33Luke Moore: Very naughty. Very naughty. I couldn't remember why you brought him up. Very naughty.

18:37Marcus Speller: I think if that happens, we'll get one of those alerts on our phone. In the words of Alan Partridge, he's alive and well. Well, he's alive. That was very naughty. The guy who booked the bans, ordered the poster, one of the two things, I can't remember which, for the classic festival poster you'll see for Reading Festival, is and was a massive Chelsea fan. And every single poster, he slipped the name of a Chelsea player in the lineup, and you can go back and find them.

19:00Luke Moore: That is nice, that. So if you've got people watching live on YouTube now, go back and have a look. I saw one literally the other day. Early 90s, Paul Furlong was headlining. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbanks in one of them. Oh, that's good. For sure. In like the third stage. Are you sure that's not Hoobastank? Could be. No, it actually says the name. They didn't perform, it just says the name. Anyway, there we go. John Terry was in the comedy tent as well. Yeah. Did they have a comedy tent there? Who knows? Who cares? Why are we talking about this nonsense? Actually, let's talk a bit more nonsense, if we may.

19:27Luke Moore: It is the football ramble, after all. I want to mention something that happened on Jamie Vardy's podcast, if I may. Oh, good. Okay, great. I'm sure a lot of people have seen this. Mike Dean was a guest on the pod. and he'd often be a man for the big occasion, such as Arsenal versus Chelsea. And he was explaining... He's the light of that. Nobody are your big... He's the light of that introduction. Mike Dean was... Mike Dean, the man for the big occasion. Mike... Hey? Fish, am I wrong? No, but I think... Would you have him headlining Saturday? I'll take your first answer, no. Okay? So Mike Dean, the man for the massive occasion.

20:03Luke Moore: Super Sunday was not super without Mike Dean. A man who was Premier League referee for many, many years. Right? He explained that he used to play games while refereeing Premier League games, including seeing how long he could go without blowing the whistle. I mean, you shouldn't be doing that. He says he once went 20 to 25 minutes. Imagine a doctor saying, today I'm going to go as long as I can without doing a diagnosis. Yeah, exactly. Without prescribing any treatment. Pilot, I'm going to see as long as I can without taking off. Or on the M25.

20:33Marcus Speller: How long can we go without arresting someone?

20:35Luke Moore: Let's see.

20:36Marcus Speller: if he kicks him in the head

20:38Luke Moore: how long can we go without putting out a fire judge how long can I go today without dishing down a sentence you can take the gavel won't be needing it for the next 20 minutes Andy Burnham over there isn't it you're going home have a gavel in courts in England and Wales it doesn't matter it's American keep it from this country lifeguard

21:10have you got a whistle the two yeah end of the shift just scooping people up from the bottom of the room oh I'm cool with Bennett yeah oh dear

21:20Marcus Speller: with that big net yeah oh it snapped again

21:25Luke Moore: yeah so Mike Dean he also said he would try to stay in the centre circle as long as possible he managed about 15 minutes once That was me at the end of my playing career. That's why Roman Raquel made it. That was John Barnes at Charlton Athletic. John Barnes. He never left the set of circle at Charlton Athletic. He didn't need to. At halftime, it was like, John, come on. Yeah. So most people will... David Blaine did that and they celebrated him. Now I was having a go at Mike Dean. That's true. When David Blaine was in that glass box in London... That put my faith back in the British public. Yeah, people were just throwing cheeseburgers at him and stuff.

21:59Luke Moore: It was the bloke who was on Tower Bridge. It was obviously the bridge right next to where he was dangling. teed off. Some of that. Yeah, it doesn't matter if there's a crowd there. You're all on board. But this appearance that Mike Dean did, I presume we've all seen it. To me, the take I have about it, and I put this on Elon Musk's ex earlier this week, and my take is just that Mike Dean gives me the impression, and I'm aware of the irony of this statement, so bear with me. I know what you're about to say. Big Cliff Richard. He's just trying to get people to be friends with him. Do you know what I mean?

22:34Yeah. He's just saying stuff that he thinks, it's misguided, but he thinks it makes him sound edgy or interesting or cool and people are going to give him attention, basically. Like I say, I'm aware of the irony of it. And rather than this is a massive scandal, I just don't believe him. I don't think this can be the case.

22:52Marcus Speller: I think that's a great reaction from the various referee associations and other ex-referees who are like, there's no way it would have worked. He's clearly lying.

23:01Luke Moore: Yeah, well, yeah.

23:02Marcus Speller: Rather than being like, oh, you know, you're bringing the game into disrepute, you're this, that and the other, we're gonna look into these claims, they're like, no, it's bollocks. It's bollocks, yeah. It's absolute bollocks.

23:09Luke Moore: Go away. The actual quote from Pro Ref, or formerly Pugmol. Are they called Pro Ref now? Apparently so. No, we're sticking with Pugmol. Of course we are. Yeah, we have to. We're sticking with Turkey, Czech Republic and Pugmol. So up yours, everybody. But apparently they've been left baffled by the claims of Dean.

23:27Marcus Speller: Yeah. Baffled is a great word in this statement, because it's just like, what?

23:30Luke Moore: Yeah. Yeah. We're not even going to engage with it. To be fair, though, they are regularly baffled just refereeing matches, aren't they? That's true. It's a default position for them. But this bafflement that they've just had, I think we can all get behind it and share. What did you think of it? You've summed it up. You thought it was nonsense. Yeah. Again, as Vish said, it just wouldn't... To be in the centre circle for 15 minutes, yeah, okay. That would mean there's not a corner kick in that 15 minutes, which is possible. That would mean... Just think about how the flow of the game would be.

23:59Luke Moore: Like, again, it's... Imagine... Even on a Sunday morning, you know, the standard of football that I played, you know, it would... You would notice... Yeah, you do.

24:08Marcus Speller: You do notice, even on Sunday league amateur football, when a referee is trying to do minimal running, you're like, no, you're knowing it.

24:15Luke Moore: Yeah, you would be all like, oh, the referee's had a few last night or something like that. It's... Unless there's... I'm sure after he's made these claims, there are people scurrying around watching all the games he's officiated and... I love the idea, like...

24:27Marcus Speller: Yeah, you go through the footage and actually he was correct and Rodrius is like, get out of the way! That's where I stand!

24:33Luke Moore: That's true. Vardy mentally going through all the penalties and he gets good. Maybe in the coming days we will have egg on our faces, because Mike Dean will be correct.

24:42Marcus Speller: Even if he is correct, he still makes him like a gigantic idiot.

24:45Luke Moore: It's piss poor.

24:46Marcus Speller: Mr. Dean, did you ever challenge yourself to not make the game about you? Yeah, exactly. The other thing about this though, it's all ridiculous and Luke's spot on when he's saying he's basically saying it for attention, which would dwindle in retirement as a referee. But it also speaks to the ego that he had that made him quite a good referee. I know you were joking at the start, but if he was still going, if he was still working, he would be on that Arsenal-Chelsea game.

25:13Luke Moore: That's what I mean. Often he was, yeah.

25:16Marcus Speller: And what we're seeing here is the ego being channeled in a different way, unfortunately, on Jamie Vardy's podcast. And not here. Yeah.

25:25Luke Moore: Exactly. Exactly.

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28:48Luke Moore: Gentlemen, Everton versus Manchester United, Sunday at 2pm. It's the perfect Sunday afternoon game as well. Yes, it is. The classic Premier League fixture. Have Everton got enough players? No. Which makes it even better. Yeah. I'm going to be mad. I know. It's a bit like that Scott and Estonia game that time. It is. It absolutely is. I mean, Manchester United, obviously much better against Ipswich Town. Carrick's showing some chops in the interviews as well. Yes, he is. Getting upset with people. It's nice to see. I could see Man Utd. Having a go at Norwegians? Yeah. You take that back. Yeah. Yeah, shut up Ole, this is my job.

29:19Luke Moore: No, not that one. Oh, I see. I think Man United could get out of there with a point.

29:27Marcus Speller: Yeah, I mean, if they, so they have 16 players in their squad. Well, Everton. Yeah. I think it's, I hate to be a pedant, but I think it's 18. 18, sorry, I didn't know that.

29:37Luke Moore: They're going to carry on the season with 18 outfield players. They had 22 outfield players last season. Which Moyes moaned about the whole season. He did. And they went, all right. What if we get rid of four of them? Yeah. So they have an injury in Norgard, he's injured.

29:51Marcus Speller: So they only have 16 fit players, is that what it is?

29:54Luke Moore: Something like that. I love the idea of the ownership at Everton going, you're going to keep moaning, are you? 21. 20. 19. He's like the teacher in the breakfast club. Yeah. That's another. Or Greg Davison, the in-betweeners. Two weeks detention, three, four. Sell Illaman Jai for 70 million, 65 million. I do realize this is your problem now. You're the financial guy. Eliminate guys going. Starting now. See you Sunday.

30:20Marcus Speller: If you're going to keep playing with that James Garner, we're going to take it off you. They almost sold Harrison Armstrong as well, who is to Nottingham Forest, who is one of their best prospects, one of the best young prospects in English football, who's starting games for them in midfield. They almost sold him as well. Last minute, they pulled back from it. Because Moyes, you know, yeah, fans protested, obviously, but Moyes must have kicked off.

30:41Luke Moore: That looked like it could have been one of those. I mean, comparing him to Elliot Anderson at this stage in his career, it's very, very early for him. But how highly rated he is, and the fee was, what,$35 million. It looked like it could end up being that kind of... I understand what you're making in comparison, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, Moyes just was like, okay, if you honestly think you can survive in the Premier League without me managing this team, because Sean Dyche will be back if you want. I'm leaving if you sell him. And I, you know, because that would have been absolute madness.

31:13Marcus Speller: That's the most over asset stripping move, isn't it? Because obviously it's pure profit with a youngster coming through.

31:19Luke Moore: This is the Freakren Group and so on.

31:21Marcus Speller: Yeah, but because they've already talked about getting in new investors. Illuminati, you don't want to do it, but you can understand why bringing in that much money and his ambitions would dictate that move. Yeah.

31:33Luke Moore: But 65 million people saying you could have got a little bit more. Another 10, 50. I mean, bearing in mind that window. No, if Everton negotiating any kind of transfer sale,

31:42Marcus Speller: we're leaving money on the table. There's quite a few players they can pick up of free agents and stuff. I was looking into this.

31:51Luke Moore: Paul Pogba. Pogba's one. So they've only got one striker, Tieno Barry, who's there. And you like where I'm going with this, right? So they've only got one recognised striker. Well, the aforementioned Jamie Vardy is a free agent. yeah he's 39 I was thinking Karim Benzema but go on right you've jumped ahead there I've got a list Vardy's having a great preseason mostly with Mike Dean I tell you this is the Mike Dean making up stories he'll be fit and ready to go there's little links with Anthony Martial who's a free agent after leaving Montreal Mexico

32:22Marcus Speller: that is quite a neat fit in that it makes sense how old is he

32:27Luke Moore: he's only 30

32:28Marcus Speller: that's mad

32:29Luke Moore: that is insane he's only 30 yeah yeah he was 22 for years so other free agents as Vish has already let out the bag Karim Benzema Mauro Icardi a free agent teaming up with Moyes Danny Ings Andrea Bellotti what about Mikel Antonio? quite a mixed bag he's worked with Moyes I love that we've gone from Vardy to Benzema to Icardi to Danny Ings what's wrong with that? I mean you know what's wrong with that and you know that obviously the right back situation at Everton is a bit mad because they tried to get Kenny Tete in a previous window and then Tete some suggest pulled the plug on it last minute they had another go and I thought okay it's finally going to go through this time that didn't go through you've got Jake O 'Brien who was described by one newspaper as disillusioned.

33:11Luke Moore: Was he going to go to Crystal Palace? He wants to play centre-half. He's been asked to play right back. He hasn't played at all this season. And he's a pretty decent player by, well, as we saw, but people quite like him. So there's something odd going on there.

33:23Marcus Speller: Because do you remember, I know Dwight McNeil's moved to Crystal Palace now, but do you remember when he had that deal that fell through, I think, in January? And there were similar noises coming out of that, like disillusion, his family members were, I think his partner maybe was... That's right, yeah. on social media, talking about how tough it was. What are they doing there? Well, I don't know. Well, I can tell you. They've just come out of a very long-term relationship with Seamus Coleman. There we are. And they're on the rebound. That is true. And they can't find in their heart to love again.

33:49Luke Moore: Let me tell you who's a free agent at right back. Danny Carvajal. I mean, would he be... Come on. With respect to Everson, would he be interested? James Rodriguez has played there recently. How is he a free agent, Danny Carvajal? Trent Alexander-Arnold would have just elbowed him out of the team. I think, yeah, fine. But there's not one football club in the world, is there? Presumably he could have got a deal if he wanted to get a deal somewhere. Real Madrid, I think, have told him that there's only one football club in the world. He's got Man Utd written all over him for like 300 grand a week.

34:16Luke Moore: Oh, he does. He absolutely does. He absolutely does. Because Man Utd are cool, so only Luke Shaw is their only senior left back in the squad. So why don't they sell Danny Carvajal? You know, go on, do a Jed Spence. I suppose he'll be 35 in January, Carvajal. There must be somewhere he can play. Anyway, let's talk about this game. Let's talk about the game. Because Man United obviously got their pants pulled down by Hull on the opening day. Yeah. And then they essentially took it out on Ipswich, didn't they? That was normal. Got a bit of luck with that Harry Maguire goal. Yeah, they did. Showed the same fallibilities.

34:49But Vish, how much did they punish that mistake against Ipswich? And then the game just got taken away from it after that.

34:55Marcus Speller: They did to Ipswich what Sunderland probably could have done on the opening game of the season, actually. Because Sunderland wasted a lot of opportunities. it's it's going to be yeah it's going to be interesting because I you know not to think too far ahead but Manchester United have improved their squad but I don't necessarily think it correlates to the amount of games they're going to be playing this season so we'll only I suppose see that bear out as the as the season goes on but in this game yeah they've got have to fancy their chances not least because the atmosphere at the Hill Dickinson will be so vitriolic you know as visually as it can be at this stage of the season because of everything that Marcus spoke about at the start of the segment so yeah I mean Manchester United surely have to go there and and win really anything less than that will be a huge boost for

35:45Luke Moore: for Everton yeah I love the fact that Jack Greenish has gone back there though that's great now that is one thing that they can be positive about it's great and they're going to need him playing like he did when he first went there

35:56Marcus Speller: yeah the the other side just a bit more on the Everton side it does really seem quite likely I don't know who you two put as your first manager to go it's not going to be Moyes unless he walks I'm not saying they're going to sack him but he was a bit like this at West Ham that he he seed stuff out in the press quite publicly sometimes sometimes behind closed doors and we all know the noises he was making last year with the size of the squad it's got smaller I mean he doesn't put any punches if they're in a situation where regardless of the result on the weekend he will make a telling or do a telling post-match interview

36:37Luke Moore: I think what Moyes says pre and post game will be interesting if indeed he was tempted to walk could the owners dangle another free agent in front of him and say, oi, what if we got in Wilfred Zaha to team up with you again could that be of interest I'll tell you what, the list of names I don't want to do this to death well you already have, so you might as well carry on Here's two names that I bet nobody would have guessed are free agents. Philippe Coutinho, Amez Rodriguez. Amez. Amez, go back. Come on. One more dance. Yeah, you go. One last dance.

37:09Marcus Speller: How many last dances? People were saying that, you know, you weren't as mobile when you were originally at Everton, but come back now at the age of 40?

37:16Luke Moore: How many last dances? He's permanently got a New York, New York plane on his head, I think. I think, can I just say, I think Everton were pretty decent last season. They bugged it up at the end. Their season was massively affected in terms of their finish and their goals conceded and stuff by the fact that last six or seven games they were terrible. They didn't win a game at all. And I think they've looked all right in the first two games. First game of the season is tricky to analyse because you don't really know what stage the teams are at and stuff because of the way the transfer window is and because of the particular World Cup, the way pre-season can be.

37:49But they kind of, obviously they beat Crystal Palace fairly straightforward fashion. This will be a tough assignment for United, I think. I honestly think United look a little bit, they were good against Ipswich, Ipswich probably aren't quite at the level, that will probably remain the case throughout the season, but United look vulnerable against Hull, like vulnerable, again, opening day, so who knows, obviously Moyes is a great manager, he's really used to working under difficult circumstances, so I think this could be a good game.

38:19Luke Moore: I do, I do as well. Manchester United, if you are watching, have a look at some of those free agents at left back, because a new Call of Duty release is set for 23rd of October. Oh, so Shaw's going to be out. And Luke Shaw may well be interested in that. Manchester City, those noisy neighbours are hosting Coventry City. Before you move on to that, what I don't like about it is that footballers get quite a lot of free time anyway. Yeah. So you don't need to be... Yeah, you get a taste of the biscuit. He does training from like 10 till 1. It gives a lot of time.

38:51Marcus Speller: Anyway. I think the issue is always playing through the night, isn't it?

38:54Luke Moore: It's playing through the night. Because it affects recovery. Exactly, yeah.

38:57Marcus Speller: Do you remember David James?

38:59Luke Moore: David James was a famous one, yeah. Ashley Cole as well. That was a PlayStation 2. I remember Ashley Cole saying that when he was a player, I think it was Ashley Cole, forgive me if that's wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was, just saying he would stay out really late playing computer games, as you say, and then it was like, oh, bloody hell. You still call them computer games as well. Yeah, I do. Which is good. Well, what are they? Video games. Videos are different things. Viddy G's. Videos. The kids call them Viddy G's. Okay, well, I'll start saying that then. Anyway, the Sky Blue Derby. Although Coventry and stripes this year.

39:27Luke Moore: Man City versus Coventry City, Saturday at 3pm. I do think it's good to have a lot of fixtures at 3pm on Saturday because that is the kind of tradition that I like to see. Travel-wise, it's more convenient, isn't it? Massively, yeah. Now, Enzo Fernandes could be set to make his Manchester City debut. Will he get booed by the Manchester City fans as well? Probably not.

39:50Marcus Speller: No, you don't tend to do that to new signings, do you? Or they did it to Barco, didn't they? Chelsea fans.

39:54Luke Moore: Chelsea did, yeah. Yeah. It was a rare example of Chelsea fans covering himself in glory, I thought. I thought it was splendid. I thought it was genuinely very good behaviour. I did as well. Yeah. Enzo Fernandes obviously a very heartfelt, or posted something on socials, very heartfelt about leaving Chelsea and so on and so forth. Very sincere man. If you didn't know him, it did come across as very sincere. He has said since being at Manchester City, I always dreamed to be in a club as big as Manchester City. So here he is. He's in the big leagues now. Not all that nonsense at Chelsea. He's at Manchester City.

40:31Luke Moore: And again, could form, be a part of a very potent midfield under Enzo Mareskes. You've got Anderson in there. We're looking forward to seeing what Buadi's going to bring to the table. He's an exciting player. Very exciting. I mean, he's one, obviously, he's so young, even though he's got a lot of quality. By the law of averages, you would think just a little bit of bedding in time of course but we will see him this season but Fernandes are part of that Enzo Maresca is the man to get a tune out of him that's part of the reason he's made the move obviously I think Enzo Fernandes is a genuinely bad guy I think he's a malevolent presence in this league and I don't wish him any success at all but the reason he's gone to Man City is obviously partly because of that and Real Madrid didn't come in for him yeah exactly but you know I feel like maybe you guys can disavow me of this I do feel a bit like the jury's still out on Fernandes in terms of a top level midfield player who can really grab a game with a scruff of the neck and make things happen I think he does do it sometimes and I think he's got a lot to credit him as a player he's got absolutely nothing to credit him as a human being but as a player he's got a lot to credit him but when you make that move into the league from where did he come from Benfica for a lot of money it was over 100 million about 109 Six months after they signed him, I think.

41:50But the point is, he's like new to the league. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. There's less pressure. Moving from a modern big club in Chelsea to a modern big club in City, the pressure's going to be enormous, particularly given that he's going into that spot where all three of the midfield players, if they play that way, Buwadi, Fernandes and Anderson are new to the club. Rodri's a massive shadow looming over the whole thing. Buwadi's going to perform that role in a slightly different fashion you'd have thought.

42:19Luke Moore: Unless Mark Gay is deployed there again. Yeah, but Buaddy's obviously why they've signed Buaddy. He's obviously a lot more mobile and plays in a different way, but it's a similar type of thing. Yeah, well, Gay, after he played in midfield, he went in and submitted a transfer request. And he was like, could you please sign someone to play this role? I'm the centre-off, please. There's someone running here. What did no one tell me? I'm not doing it. I just got rid of one bold freak. What's this new one making me do? Anyway, so I just think the pressure will be high, and I think he's going to have to hit the ground running.

42:49Man City or team are used to winning the Premier League, right? And there's been a lot of change there. And he's going to... I don't know if he is this type of character, although I suspect he is. He's not going to be able to look around and be like, who can I blame here? Because he's going to be the guy. He's going to have gone there for the most money. He's in the most important position.

43:06Marcus Speller: He's replacing Rodri. He's wearing Kevin De Bruyne's shirt number.

43:09Luke Moore: Well, when you say he's replacing Rodri, tactically, perhaps not Enzo Fernandes.

43:15Marcus Speller: Well, I mean, sorry. He's replacing Rodri in starting... In the middle of the park. In the middle for Man City.

43:21Luke Moore: So, I mean, I think Inza Fernandes...

43:23Marcus Speller: He's got to come in and hit the ground running. No, absolutely.

43:25Luke Moore: I think he will. I think that Fernandes, you know, for all his, you know, nonsense off the pitch and so on, I think, you know, he's a quality player, not that you were saying the opposite. I think that this was the natural move. You know, Chelsea are a huge club, but they're not as big as Manchester City at the moment because, you know, Man City are going for titles. You know, you think about what they've got. What are you smiling at? But Chelsea are going for the title, aren't they? They haven't been in the last few years. I mean, you know, the last trophy... Chelsea are a bigger club than Man City.

43:54And neither of them are as big as the big clubs in the country.

43:57Luke Moore: Fine. Okay. But I'm not getting into all that now. Coward. Yes, I am. I am. No, my point is that, you know, Man City in the last handful of seasons have been going for bigger prizes than the Europa Conference League, for example. And so this, it was either Man City or Real Madrid. that's what Enzo Fernandes was wanting to do and I think that's what we all expected him to do and here we are I actually think Chelsea are a big club in Man City by the way I was just being cheeky carry on okay Enzo Fernandes I think that when you say what type of character he is on the pitch and so on and so forth I think he is chomping at the bit for this I think he's ready for it and I think he'll slot in there and I think he'll I don't think he'll look terrible I think he'll do alright or he may well do very very well indeed but the idea of you know they need a player of that stature size and quality to come in into that midfield in the centre.

44:48Luke Moore: Because you're right, they've lost Rodri. Kevin De Bruyne, I know, he wasn't there last season. But you think of the players they've had in there. Bernardo Silva or even David Silva, you're back enough. I think signing Fernandes is one of those guys. We'll see. I don't think if he hits the highs of any of them, my goodness, he'll be doing very, very well indeed. Because you're talking about modern-day legends at Manchester and Premier League legends as well. but I think he will be comfortable in going into those shoes there's a reason why he signed him for that and I think you know the fee is the fee but I do think it's a very good signing moment for Man City

45:23Marcus Speller: the previous players you mentioned there previous Man City players you mentioned there all did one thing that they were probably lacking last year which was playing the ball forward through a line and Enzo does that regularly yeah the other thing is he can he doesn't really need to go searching for the ball he's not because he's not really that kind of player

45:41Luke Moore: and he won't have to do that

45:42Marcus Speller: but at Chelsea he did because he was like, I mean, is it Carcero this week? Is it Lavia the next week? There was a lot of change, certainly when he started anyway. And so he will be able to basically just stick to the middle. Someone with Anderson's energy, obviously he's very energetic as well, but he likes also going forward. And I think the way people have mapped out a potential role for him is more in keeping with someone who is a bit like Lampard in that Lampard was never like dictating play at the back but he was always he always had the ball at various stages throughout I suppose the team's progression and I think they do see that with Enzo and he won't crucially won't be in anyone's way

46:23Luke Moore: well Frank Lampard will be involved in this match of course do you think it's like

46:29Marcus Speller: the Leonardo DiCaprio meme from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood Enzo breaks forward he's like that was me I did that

46:34Luke Moore: did he do it for Man City though lest we forget

46:37Marcus Speller: he scored he scored some important goals for Man City

46:39Luke Moore: he scored against Chelsea

46:41Marcus Speller: right well yeah It was that one wasn't it?

46:44Luke Moore: It was at the Etihad. He did a muted celebration. I think he actually literally did that didn't he?

46:50Marcus Speller: Did he do the old cunt? I think so yeah. I can't remember. To Man City fans, no. I love them really.

46:57Luke Moore: You didn't have to join in the celebrations when Chelsea scored.

46:59Marcus Speller: Turn around, they can't see me, they're jumping backwards.

47:01Luke Moore: That would have been good if Chelsea scored and he took off his Man City shirt, Chelsea shirt underneath, blends in, gets the celebration, Man City bet nobody noticed. Lovely, lovely, lovely. That would be good. They are looking for their first point in the Premier League. It's a tough start for Coventry in that. Away to Arsenal, away to Man City. The game that was obviously there. It was the whole game, isn't it? It was the whole game, which was, you know... They should have scored. They left the back door open on, I think, three occasions. Wildly open. Yeah, two of which Liam Miller should have scored, one of which he did score.

47:33And that was the game, that was the rows in between two thorns. They needed to sniff, and they didn't sniff it.

47:37Luke Moore: Yeah, and you don't want them to look back and rue that whole game because if we're going on what the smart money would say in this game, Man City shouldn't have too much of a problem winning this game. They shouldn't. You saw them against Palace. They've clicked or whatever, but they're certainly at the races now. And with Coventry City, three games into the season, if indeed they lose this game and they lose it quite handsomely, I know that's an if, but one would suspect that that is well within the realms of possibility. You look at that and you go, three games in. and again you rue that Hull game you know start looking at the fixtures and you're scrambling around for your first point and all that kind of stuff while the other two teams you know Ipswich had a great win on the first day Hull are going well that's the kind of pressure that you could really do without and they were so good last season right they were much better than Hull last season they were by far the best team in the championship scored the most goals conceded the fewest goals I think they were top of the league for something like 36 of the last 37 games a week or something like game weeks it was crazy but it's that brings its own challenges, right?

48:40Because they now have to learn an entirely new way of playing. And if you look at the fact that they opened the Premier League season at the Emirates and just essentially get predictably totally outclassed. What I would say though, actually, is they were 2-0 down after what, 23 minutes against Arsenal? And they lost 3-0. I know it sounds mad, but it could have been a catastrophe for them. I know what you mean. Because Arsenal are obviously very, very good. And they kind of dug in and they showed a little bit. But it's hard for me, perhaps because I'm not as the biggest Coventry City expert in the world, and perhaps because it's early in the season.

49:11It's hard to know how they're going to play. If you're used to being scrappy, and you play in a certain way, and you get promoted in that way, it gives you almost a little bit of a blueprint. But Coventry kind of blew teams away last season. There's no way they're going to blow anyone away this season, based on what we've seen so far. So they have to come up with a different way of doing it. The whole game's a massively missed opportunity, of course. This is now a really tough ask. I mean, they've effectively... I mean, if you were going to spin it well, you would say possibly the two hardest fixtures of their entire league campaign are going to be out of the way in the first three weeks of the season.

49:45That's good. Get that done. Because I do think it's an element with promoted teams where if you get absolutely pumped, it can almost make the team a bit shell-shocked. And it takes longer for them to recover. And I think that part of the Lampard preparation will obviously be stuff like, we're going to lose games this season. You can't do the Thomas Frank at Spurs, but that's effectively what he's going to have to say. And it's how they deal with that and react to that and respond.

50:11Luke Moore: Yeah, he can't go into the dressing room after they've lost and walked in and gone, they told you. Told you, yeah. That's me right again. Chalk it up on the blackboard. Frank's right. I'm off to the bookies. I mean... No. No. They don't do that. Don't do that. So, look, I think it's obviously a tough ask for them. Man City obviously sit top of the league as well, as much as that counts at this point of the year. But, Marcus, I know you're a big fan of it. So, does that mean something as well? they're effectively playing the best team in the league at the moment yeah certainly certainly one of the best teams you'd argue but I do think City have vulnerabilities I have to say that I think City do have vulnerabilities and are Coventry going to take advantage of those on Saturday probably not but I think some teams will

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52:35Luke Moore: on Saturday as well, 3pm. Nottingham Forest versus Tottenham Hotspur. Spurs are another side looking for their first Premier League point. That's the bad news. What's the good news? Richarlison's gone. Whey! Well, he hasn't gone yet at the time of recording. He, or at the time of recording, he's live. He hasn't gone. I can say that with absolute certainty. He hasn't gone. He's been left out of Spurs' Premier League squad, though. Yeah, and so... So that basically is, he's out the door. For those who are watching or listening who are a bit confused, the Turkish transfer window remains open for longer as does the Saudi one I think.

53:07Luke Moore: Of course it does. So he can still go to Turkey. So they can still buy players basically. That's a given. That's in the bag. Yeah. Alright. Yeah. Does Erby said of Richarlison recently I don't know he said too many times he wants to leave. He really pushed for a move. There was talk of him going to Everton it didn't happen for whatever reason. But see according to reports he thought he was better than Everton. Sounded like it yeah.

53:28Marcus Speller: He couldn't agree personal terms yeah.

53:30Luke Moore: Yeah. Well there's a good reason why he's going to Turkey then. Well, maybe. Is that his personal terms FC? Yes. Well, there's talk that he's set... Absolute personal terms central. Yeah, talk that he's set to join Travzon Spore. Teaming up with Mo Salah. Yeah. I'm right in saying that. Apparently, they would maybe triple his salary, which is a lovely old job. But, of course, being left out of the Premier League squad sounds as it does. You know, he won't be available for, as they do the squad selections, the first half of the Premier League season, which is basically Spurs saying, we don't want you.

53:59Luke Moore: Like, that is the biggest we don't want you. You know, one or two players can be left out of the Champions League squad, for example, if they're in European competition or Europa, whatever. But being left out of the Premier League squad, that massively forces his hand. So if Richarlison was waiting for a move to another Premier League club, he either sits twiddling his thumbs for the next, you know, six months or whatever it is, or he goes to Turkey or Saudi Arabia and the chat is Travzon's ball.

54:21Marcus Speller: Yeah, yeah.

54:22Luke Moore: You have to go.

54:24Marcus Speller: Yeah, but that would have been done knowing that he won't be there in a couple of weeks.

54:28Luke Moore: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. so he will not be featuring against Forrest what have you made of Forrest's start to the Premier League they'll be delighted that they're not playing Leeds United of course Luke yeah that was strange I think Forrest will be fairly good this season I like Glasner I think he's a good coach I think it's going to take a little while for them to take on board his ideas I think I think they showed a lot against Liverpool I was actually quite impressed with them although it's difficult to know where Liverpool are quite at at the moment as well. So we're kind of dealing with quite small amounts of information at this point in the season.

55:05But I think this is, you know, this is a pretty difficult game for Spurs. Now, everything looks like a difficult game for them at the moment. And going to Forest, I mean, I was there last season. The atmosphere is good. It's going to be tough.

55:19Luke Moore: It's kind of like you were a member of the playing squad. I was there last season. No, I went to Zoom last season. And the atmosphere was great and it's a tough place to play. It clearly is. You go there, you can see straight away. It's hard to play there. Always hard to play against Sean Dyche teams. And I think, yeah, true. I don't even know if Sean Dyche was manager at that point. I don't think he was. Oh, was he not? No, I don't think so. Possibly. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The point being that Spurs have now essentially got a situation, I think, where they don't really have an excuse because the players they're going to line up with, you'd have thought, would be what?

55:51Solanke up front, I think he's available. Fernandes, who they wanted and paid a lot of money for. Savio who they wanted and paid a lot of money for on one flank I guess Marmouche will move over onto the flank who they wanted and paid a lot of money for Tonali at the base midfield who they wanted paid a lot of money for Van Hecker at the back etc etc right so they've got they've got the spine of the team they wanted and they've got to at some point actually go and do something because

56:19Luke Moore: they've not got that many injuries for Spurs so Odeber, Simmons and obviously Madison Madison but even Madison I think is a fitness test well I should say Savio is a fitness test Madison's unlikely Savio there's a chance on obviously Kulusevsky because goodness knows what's happened to him

56:35Marcus Speller: he's come back he came out to training didn't he last week Kulusevsky

56:38Luke Moore: did he really

56:39Marcus Speller: I think he's a bit of time away

56:40Luke Moore: yeah he's had a real tough time of it so he has I feel for him I do but the point I just wanted to go on to make is just as I did it everything's hyperbolic around Spurs because they've been so bad right but you know does it mean an awful lot if you lose the first two games of the season without scoring a goal. For loads of teams, it doesn't mean anything. It's just, you know, it just is a tough start because that's how it goes sometimes. But the way the narrative is around Spurs and has been for some time and some of the stuff that De Zerbe's come out and said, which I actually think has made things worse.

57:10Luke Moore: I do as well. I'm surprised at some of the stuff he said. But Magus, there's something about Spurs that makes Magus do that. Well, yeah.

57:15Marcus Speller: He's always had a bit of that in him, though. 100%, which is what was a massive gamble to get him. Yeah. And the leverage he had, he was able to get himself such an unbelievable deal. he was able to get every fucking player he wanted

57:26Luke Moore: couldn't get a relegation clause two weeks yeah what two weeks into the season he's saying in press conferences well you can't buy mentality yeah I found that extraordinary I really found that extraordinary I guess I guess if they go to Forest at the weekend and they they get a scrappy draw they score a couple goals or they win the game you might well find them by a trajectory where it goes okay it was a bit of a sticky start but off they go now if they lose this and lose it handsomely handsomely and play in the way that they have played in parts in the first two games, it's bad. Well, it is. It's bad again.

57:59Luke Moore: Do you think Forrest will be scared of Spurs turning? No way. There you go. No way. Glassman will love it as well. Oh, he will. It was interesting after the loss at home against Newcastle, who obviously won 2-0 at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. Some Spurs fans, you know, still doom and gloom. I mean, it was a much more positive performance, if you like, than Brentford. They still lose 2-0. It's early days. There's new players. Again, you can say that, but at some point, and maybe not after three games, but at some point it does have to change. My concern for them is that, and I said this on Monday, my concern for them is they, a lot of teams have done this.

58:35It's been a bit of a bonkers transfer window, really. But Spurs particularly, they've signed so many players. They've signed a lot. And it's not conducive to being good straight away for any team.

58:44Luke Moore: Yeah, which is why I think that, you know, whatever happens against Forest, I still think they're going to improve as the weeks and months go by. It just, that belief does slightly wane. Only slightly if, you know, they're not winning. I mean, you know, bleeding obvious sort of thing, you know. But there are a lot of Spurs fans, I would say, looking at comments and chat online and so on and so forth, whatever that's worth, that are still a bit more positive and still believe that it will come good. Whether it will or not is a different matter.

59:15Marcus Speller: Well, the problem would be if they lose this game, then those new players will start looking at each other thinking well he's not good enough well that's probably his fault because you don't have that team spirit at the start where you feel like you're all in it together everyone's trying to you're trying to make it for yourself at the very start and you know you bind together through winning or experiences generally yeah exactly yeah but winning is a massive accelerator to whatever whatever team spirit they need to be better you've got Richarlison running around like debagging people yeah starting little fires with Lynx deodorant cans in the bin.

59:50Marcus Speller: But then the other issue, I think, on Forest for what they're going to face on the weekend, is I reckon Liam DeLapp's thinking this could be the start of the relationship. Because, like, he... There was obviously a stat doing the rounds of him having more red cards in the Premier League than goals. But he was pretty good when he came on against Liverpool, in part because he had a very specific role, do what Chris Wood does but in more places because you're more mobile. I don't know if he'll start this game. It'd be nice if he does, but that's quite a proposition to have this gallivanting horse of a striker running up and down against a back line who still don't really know each other that well and are still struggling for that synergy.

1:00:37Marcus Speller: But it's a shame. Good luck to everyone who's going to the game. I would have liked this on TV because I think this feels right for a You know a bit of a barn burner.

1:00:49Luke Moore: Yeah I feel that there's a lot of neutrals interested in how Spurs get on just because it's been a bit mad

1:00:54Marcus Speller: Yeah, kind of in the way that you big stories a big story in a way that maybe one one Yeah, kind of in the way that like you know loads of people Crash on this one was the worst day here and then watch it.

1:01:03Luke Moore: Yeah, I mean I Yeah, I mean again go back to the managers comments and what we've seen after and again it's only two games into the Premier League season no other manager I don't wouldn't think would speak like Deserby and one could tell get bogged down with the comments the results we shall see

1:01:20Marcus Speller: you give someone that much power and they feel like they can totally right but there's no way but it was really intemperate given the fact that for the first half against Newcastle they were decent they just didn't score and it wasn't a bad performance no that's what I mean

1:01:33Luke Moore: there was something there was no temperance in what he was saying is what I mean it wasn't like they turned up I understand it's another home defeat and Spurs fans are pissed off. I get all that. But it wasn't like, it wasn't like the Chelsea game at home last season or the Arsenal game at home last season or whatever. It was, they started well. They played well and then Newcastle made some changes. Yeissel looks like a really good coach and they were able to come away with a win. But I just thought it was intemperate. What the Zerbi could have said was, well, watch the first half on another day we score two or three yards.

1:02:04Luke Moore: And that's what you'd want as a fan. But like Vish says, he's got a lot of power. He's like the emperor. He's the emperor there. does he wear any clothes find out on Saturday true enough that would be quite something yeah yeah I just think you would want your manager to come out and go do you know what we're improving that's what the message you want to come out we are improving yeah we obviously didn't want to lose today blah blah blah blah but there we are gentlemen it's going to be a rollercoaster season for Tottenham Hotspur you would think it's going to be a banging weekend for football I reckon as well speaking of rollercoasters gentlemen oh sorry I've ruined that for you haven't I you didn't ruin it you have now

1:02:38Marcus Speller: Those famous roller coasters where you start down and then you go up. I don't really go on them. I'm not really into them. Not anymore. I'm not into them anyway. Scared.

1:02:46Luke Moore: Coward. I was a bit scared when I was a kid. I think it put me off. Did you see that Bayern Munich won 4-1 in the German Cup the other day? I did, yeah. A bunch of slugs they played called Osnabrück. Their fans set up a roller coaster in the stands in a sort of a Tifo fashion. It's incredible.

1:03:01Marcus Speller: It was incredible is what it was.

1:03:03Luke Moore: What I absolutely loved about it, a lot of people have seen this. It's obviously quite a small ground. And the TIFO is, as we're describing, a big roller coaster, and they've got these little dummies in a roller coaster, and off they go.

1:03:14Marcus Speller: Come on, they're called fans, mate.

1:03:18Luke Moore: And what I loved, though, is it is incredible. It was amazing that they did it, but it also looked a bit crap. Do you know what I mean? The bit where he gets stuck as it emerges. Come on, it's a bit of an engineering achievement. Indeed, but I like that, though, because it looked real. Yeah. You know? Give me the real jam of the heart, not the CGI'd one. It looked a bit like they had to put mannequins in it, because everyone was like, I'm not getting in there. Yeah, there's no way anybody should be getting in there. Do you think it intimidated Harry Kane? Well, evidently not, because he got a brace.

1:03:49Luke Moore: Michael Alise scored.

1:03:51Marcus Speller: Oh my god, is that Space Mountain? No! I can't score anymore.

1:03:54Luke Moore: When I saw the bar... They've got a roller coaster. When I saw... Bang! Goal. When I saw that they lost 4-1, I thought, well, that could happen. Kane brace, Michael Alise, and I was a bit like, come on, what are you doing? What, you mean respect the rollercoaster? No, I mean, why... Play someone else. Yeah, exactly, yeah. It's early, I don't know. I don't know.

1:04:12Marcus Speller: Has he only got a 17-year-old that's good? Quite possibly. Yeah.

1:04:15Luke Moore: Who knows, though, Vish. Teenagers love rollercoasters. Spurs will sign them for 50 million if they have. The German DFB Pokal Cup defence is on. It's up and running. And buying her for the favourites for it. It's underway. And that's the big takeaway here. Right, everybody, we've come to the end of our live broadcast. It's been an absolute pleasure having you with us. Later today, it's MyBiddyArn. It's the two big hitters. It's Luke versus Vish in MyBiddyArn. Exciting. It is very, very exciting. The two favourites. Of course, Vish is the current belt holder and lineal champion. Luke Moore has a chance to get that lineal championship.

1:04:52Marcus Speller: Would I still have been the lineal champion if I didn't win the final at the end of the season?

1:04:57Luke Moore: All will be revealed at the start. Later today. Tell me now! you're fine you've got the belt tell me more about my achievements now yeah exactly would I still have this belt if I didn't have it so that'll be available later today make sure to subscribe to the Football Ramble on your podcast app so that you do not miss it thank you very much for listening to the Football Ramble or watching the Football Ramble should I say part of the ACARS Creator Network of course Luke and I will be back on Monday with Pete Donaldson to talk about that Premier League action that we've just been previewing absolute pleasure lots of love have a marvellous Friday we'll see you later for more video.

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