The Preview Show: It’s happening again

0:00Relax yourself, please settle down everybody. Welcome to the Football Apple Preview Show. Spurs host Amarim's Army this weekend. It's Friday 7th of November. I'm Marcus Speller. I'm Luke Moore. I'm Jim Campbell. And I'm Vidusha Hunter-Raja.

0:24Hello, everybody. It's Friday. Loosen your belts and fill your glasses. We made it. Yes. I should say so. Get this out of the way and we've made it. How about that, Vishy baby, come on. Yeah, I'm always, no Vish, come on. I'm within touching distance of you for the first time in a while actually. Touch me. I know I did it again. There we are. Marcus and I have been set with the big beasts separated down the end of each table ahead of Jack's later probably. Which beast are you in the new Labour tradition? Prescott, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that a bit of Tribe Called Quest to start the show?

0:58Of course it is. Lovely, love that. Yeah, yeah, I thought you'd like that And I thought everybody would like to know this. It's that time again. The Football Supporters Association Awards are back. The FSAs. And once again, we have been nominated for Podcast of the Year because, of course, we have. Because we're the current holders. Vish is holding the trophy and his trophy at the same time. We won it last year. And the scenes of celebration were fantastic. A year has passed since we ended the Guardian's reign of terror. A public service market, if you don't mind me saying. Yeah. A massive public service.

1:32Yeah, what we did. He's trying to get people to like us to vote for us, don't you? Oh, yeah, sorry. I should just let him do it. And just like Emi Martinez with the World Cup Golden Glove Trophy and the Copper America Trophy, I want a second chance to hump a beautiful piece of ceramic in front of lots of people. Just remember that. I'm going to put that down. I think you've earned that. Yeah, I do too. I have. Victoria Derbyshire was hosting the awards and Sam Matterface was handing me the awards. You did that in front of Victoria Derbyshire? One of our great, illustrious broadcasters. Yeah. I mean, it was the thin end of the wedge, so to speak.

2:02You promised Dean this as you'd do it, though. Yeah. I mean, FSAs, they're a great association. And it's a very, very, shall we say, liberal crowd. When I did that, I thought, have I crossed a line there? And I thought, I hope he has. There would have been a point where you get the award and you see it's Victoria Derbyshire. Yeah. And think, big fan of your work. I'm sorry for what I'm about to do. Yes. that the listeners have demanded. Then all you hear is just the sound of a zip. I didn't go that far. No, I didn't. But if you want me to go that far, then get involved. Now, I want to remind you of a song that our friend Chris Roger did last year for us.

2:45It was a campaign song. And this alone is a reason why you should vote for us, for the FSAs. Take it away, Chris.

2:59The Delfs will go home early when the Ramble wins the cup. Beat Jim and Vish will drink the free bar dry. Get cheap kebabs and then they're all thrown up. The wet wipes at the Guardian won't know what to say when the Ramble dominates them at the FSA. Oh, cheeky boys, and we all get what we need. Give them your brother years of hurt, so mute the lightning seats. Come on. There you go. It's lovely stuff there. A victorious one as well. It got us over the line. It got us over the line. A bit of Lennox Lewis as well, because his accent changes about three times. Lovely stuff. Well, now, that's last year's victory song.

3:43We want something new. 100%. We have high standards and demands here. Chris Roger, thank you so much for that song. Chris, if you want to get involved, or if anybody else does, if you reckon you can create our 2025 FSA anthem, them, then get in touch, show at footballramble.com. But more importantly, as Chris was singing about there, we want all of you to go and vote for us in the best podcast category. I can't stress enough how brilliant it was last year that you got us over the line and how certain individuals didn't appreciate it as well. So if you say it was a vote that annoyed the right kind of people.

4:17Barry Glendening called us nine time failure, the Football Ramble. He doesn't say that anymore. But you know him quite well, don't you? Yeah, I know. That's tongue in cheek. I like Barry we all like Barry but were people genuinely irked I think there was do you know what I actually didn't hear it when the music played and I went up on stage but there was a bit of an easy easy from certain sections of the crowd you know the people's champions except for McDonald's I'd say so we've got to defend it we have to yeah yeah yeah so the link is in the show notes and it would genuinely mean the world to all of us if we could clinch it again because I was always told that it was impossible to wrestle it off the Guardian and you had to really and you all banded together with us and God bless every single one of you that voted because I can't stress enough how brilliant it was.

5:00So let's make it happen again. Let's go back to back. So please go and vote now. As I say, you can do it on the FSA website. The link is in the show notes. Get involved. Right. Let's talk about some of the football that happened last night. Aston Villa beat Maccabi Tel Aviv 2-0 at Villa Park. Lovely goal from Mattson to get it underway. How did he squeeze it in? Wow. Did you see the way he kind of shuffled his feet? It was great. Oh, gorgeous. I was trying to think of a more acute goal than that. The only one I could think of was that famous Roberto Carlos one from way back in the day from quite near the corner flag.

5:30Yes. I don't know how much he meant that one. Different type of finish. Very much. He definitely meant it. There was that Antoine Semenya one earlier in the season. There was. It was a very tight angle. Against Fulham. Yes, it was. That one, yeah, through the keeper's legs, it was a good finish. This one, though, I feel like the assist, you kind of think, it's a very low XG on that. I know some people hate XG, but the assist has to be precise. but even when this is was it Sancho who played this whoever it was I think it was Rogers in the end Sancho had a nice bit of play when the ball is sort of popped over you think that's exactly it's the only area you could put it in but even then it gives Mattson a lot to do so fine margins but delicious first guys did you enjoy how much it kissed the crossbar on the way through I always enjoy it was a kiss of the crossbar wasn't it it's the sort of finish because it happened so late in the half that I always enjoy where a team are just absolutely sick to death of it being nil-nil.

6:22I'm stuffing one in here however I have to do it before we go in for half-time. I'm fed up with this. And better news for Aston Villa was that they scored a penalty. They did. Finally. Yes. Daniel Marlon had a really good game. He was great. He was really bright. Very lively. Quite a slow start to his career at Villa. And I think he's a player that it was very obvious there's a lot more to come from him. And he's started to show it. He's had a couple of really good performances lately and that is an absolute boon for them. Sometimes you have this with players coming to the Premier League where to get up to speed in the Premier League, they take a little bit of time.

6:53But when the European games come along, they kind of shine a little bit more, you might say. And I think that he's definitely been a bit of a brighter spark in European competition for Villa. It feels like a shop window for them, doesn't it? It feels like, you know, there's so much football being played, squads have to be bigger. And then players like Marlon, Sancho in this case as well, one or two others, get a chance to actually play. Mattson, I mean, Mattson himself, I mean, he's not really been selected over Dina that often. No, no. They seem to like Dina's experience. And Luka Dina is a good player.

7:24But for Mattson and Marlon to both get on the score sheet is a real bonus for them. Because Villa started the season very, very poorly. They were really disjointed. It looked like possibly that Emery was starting to run out of ideas a little bit. Now, they've been better since. I think the go-ahead Eagles thing was a real kick up the arse for them because obviously they followed that up by beating Man City. Weren't great against Liverpool. A bit of unpredictable, but I think it's obviously important for them to be winning games, particularly in the competition that Emery is synonymous with. Oh, yeah.

7:52It's been a while though, isn't it? It has been a while. So he's probably looking at that thinking, you know what, this is my competition. Yeah. You stuff that ball in that net just before halftime. Yeah. We're going to have a proper crack at this. Daddy's home. Exactly. At one point, Ange was saying it was going to be his competition. That's not gone well. Yeah. Well, I mean, if Ange can win it, then I can. Again, surely, Vish. Yeah, I don't see why not. The Marlon thing is... interesting because it's very beneficial for Villa that he's playing well because I felt like they lacked a lot of width at the start of the season and there was a bit more competition when he when he joined um and the fact that he was left out of the Champions League squad um at the turn of the this year um was quite telling and I as Luke said he had quite a slow start I didn't really rate him to be honest I didn't feel like he had what it took to to be at the level that Villa what we're aspiring to be at but I mean he's been a huge shot in the arm for them this season yeah certainly in Europe yeah I feel like it would be a real piss take or not a piss take it would be it would be a tough one to take if you weren't picked for a your club's European squad like Matthias Tell it was tough blow tough blow because like I know people might say well you get a bit of a rest and whatnot but like everyone's on a jolly up yeah it's like not being invited to a party it's all tough and seeing it play out on TNT we're off to the continent for a well I mean it's not a jolly up is it but you know There might be a bit of fun and frolic thrown in.

9:17He's just scrolling through other players' Instagram being like, that's nice. The worst thing would be as well, if you'd really contributed the season before to actually help them qualify. And then you'd be left out in the cold. Yeah, conversely... Like one of the in-betweeners. Conversely, it was probably like a show of status that Cole Palmer, for instance, was left out of Chelsea's Conference League squad. Yes, that was the first half here. It can work both ways. Yeah, but that's fine. Mate, this is too small potatoes for you. Don't bother with that. Oh no, I wouldn't if I were you. Probably easy to convince him not to worry about it.

9:47That's all AI stuff. That's AI, don't worry about that. That's not really happening. No, no, you've left EAFC on, that's what that is. Am I after going to go to Kazakhstan? No, don't worry, we'll save you for the final. Yeah. And they did. Nottingham Forest drew 0-0 away to Sturm Graz. And Morgan Gibbs-White missed a penalty. He's having a funny season, I keep saying it. He keeps contributing to the theory. There's not much I could do to change it, but he won't change it. Would it help or would it be a distraction if, for example, someone held a firearm to him while he was playing? Possibly. I don't know if it would be a real progression for the sport if people were going on pitch and putting a gun to players' heads when they're taking penalties.

10:26I'm happy to give it a go on a trial period. FIFA might trial it in the Confederations Cup. If you're running, if you have a big run-up, the bloke's chugging up next to you with a gun. The person who's likely to do that wasn't there, was he, for reasons. I'm not going to watch that. You can have those delightful Mozart chocolates which I'm an absolute bastard for. Marzipan? Big time, yeah. Marcus brought some of those back last time he was there. Love Marzipan, don't you? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Much more than court cases. Yes. I mean, there was a few missed penalties last night with the English clubs.

10:57I mean, Gibbs White was there. I mean, disappointing one for Forrest and Dyche was sort of bemoaning some of the missed chances. They did look a bit flat. The funny thing with Forrest at the moment is having had such a sort of strong, clear identity under Nuno for the last season. And Ange. And, well, that's kind of the point I'm coming around to. It's like, that has just gone completely, isn't it? Obviously, Ange has muddied those waters quite spectacularly. So we've got an idea, I suppose, of what you're going to get under Sean Dyche because there's a broad idea of what to expect from a Sean Dyche team.

11:30But we're not really seeing any of it yet. They're just so unpredictable. Let me tell you why this is a bit like the start of Scream 2, the movie. so why does Sean Dyche basically lose his job at Everton because he kills a college girl because he had the ghost face on no because his team can't score can't score goals they can't score goals and it becomes such a big thing that he's actually even getting to the point in press conferences where he's saying yeah probably someone else could be doing better at this and he loses his job now I know Forrest scored two goals against Man United anyone can do that respectfully they are Liverpool only got one they couldn't score against Bournemouth they couldn't score against Sterne Graz they missed a penalty and at the start a scream too when there's the first murder one of the characters says it's happening again isn't it?

12:11And all the others go no no it's not. So who's Neve Campbell? But it is. Sean is very much Neve Campbell. Do you think? I think so yeah. No he's too, no because Neve Campbell's in the first. Okay he's a little nerdy guy Yeah I'm struggling here. The ginger nerdy guy Surely would it be Gibbs White who's Neve Campbell who's just looking around horrified going ah I've got to get out of this. I just, I tried to get out of this and someone who may or may not have held something or other to my head I just want a normal year on the campus and Gibbs might be saying I just want another normal year. Who's ghost face?

12:38Evangelo Smarnak is his ghost face? Well he's definitely wearing the mask isn't he? Imagine him stumbling around a big townhouse fallen over. Would he bother to wear a mask? Would he care about the anonymity? Oh who's that? I wonder who that is. You'd know it was him. You'd know it was him. I've got his wheezing down the phone. Elliot Anderson's Gail Weathers played by Courtney So is Sean Dyche Jamie Kennedy? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The little nerdy guy. Does the nerdy guy survive in that? I think he does, yeah. He becomes the murderer, doesn't he? Don't think so, no. Don't think so, mate.

13:17Oh, spoiler. I think they all become the murderer at the end. It doesn't happen. You can't just make something go and go, that's a spoiler. Yeah. Well, you'll have to watch him find out. The killer's actually Neve Campbell's father, her character. He has a limp and then he starts walking. Yeah, they go... so anyway Forrest hosts Leeds on Sunday but if they let score against Leeds is it happening again it might be I think look I when Dyche goes there we understand why it was such a disaster on Ranji it had to change in goes Dyche with his big grin and he brings a best man at Brian Clough's wedding of course wasn't he godfather to all Brian Clough's kids right including Nigel Clough weirdly yeah he sired Nigel Clough didn't he anyway so he's basically Nigel Clough's real dad Right, enough of that bollocks.

14:04He brought stone and wound with him and suddenly the feeling changes. And I think people thought, ah, Daesh is going to get this back. And it's like, remember, that's Sean Daesh, okay? And I think that the situation at Forest, it became, I know we're not looking up the table, we're looking down the table. Yeah, it did. This is like, if this continues, then we're in danger of being relegated. That's how bad it was under Ange. You get Daesh in and it's as much as a guarantee of anything is that you're probably not going to get relegated because he's an astute operator at that end of the table in the Premier League.

14:38As you saw, for example, with Everton with limited resources, you also saw his Burnley sides, et cetera. I know he had a relegation to his CV with Burnley, but that's why they got him in. So don't be surprised if they go away to Stoom Graz and actually they don't win the game. Don't be surprised if he can't find his passport because he's never managed in Europe properly before. But don't be surprised if the football now, from now until the end of Daesh's time at Forest whenever that is. And I fancy it maybe to be actually the end of the season. It'll be a bit flat and it'll be a bit meh. Yeah.

15:08Because that's what it is. And people might say that's really unfair on Daesh and say, well, actually, has he had a squad like this before? Perhaps, perhaps not. This is probably the best squad he's... Works both ways, doesn't it? If he's not had this kind of squad before, does he know how to use it? Yeah. And I think... Does he feel, you know, a motivation to use it in a more attacking way? Yeah, don't get me wrong. I was pleased for Daesh that he got that job. Robbie always wanted it and fair play and I totally understood the feeling among a lot of the Forest fans but again when they host Leeds on Sunday that's not a given and he needs to put those ones away now because the honeymoon period was that win against Porto and fair play they did that but now as you say Luke you start looking at the results and so on and they've got work to do not as much work as Celtic set the tone Martin yeah did Martin O 'Neill set the tone do you reckon oh my god it was like a it was like a problematic uncle at a family event ah problematic yeah well I'll tell you why alright because well you're going to say basically that the headline for you Marcus is that he seemed to fall asleep in the pre-match press conference it appeared yeah we can't say he did yeah but he was if you haven't seen this in the pre-match press conference he's asked a question and he sort of drifts off doesn't answer the question and then appears to be startled and the service awoken and said sorry I was still thinking of and presumably the previous question which he may well have been doing and then he had a big pop at Kasper Schmeichel sat next to him saying he's never going to live up to Peter Schmeichel's reputation well he did that classic Martin actually why can't you be more like Peter Schmeichel exactly well he no but he did that classic Martin O 'Neill thing where it appears to have a dig and then he sort of thinks to himself that is a bit harsh and then he goes well he's only what like four or five caps or whatever it is off his father I think ten caps and he goes you know so I mean that's that's a hell of an achievement so he But it was one of those things that certain men do of a certain age, trust me, I know about this, where you don't know if they're joking or not.

17:03And it's high risk in a press conference. He's thrown his drink on him and then tried to just sort of get a towel and dab him. I understand. I think I know what's happened there. We all know that Martin O 'Neill likes to, or certainly used to like to attend murder trials in his spare time. And we've all seen from Murder of the Week TV shows that sometimes you realise that the single thing that's the key to cracking the whole case at an inopportune moment. So I think he's essentially just solved the murder in that press conference and has had to style it out in case the murder is in the room, perhaps.

17:36Is that why they lost 3-1 to Michelin? Yeah, exactly. I've got nothing to my mind now. If you look at the footage, he wasn't even in the dugout. He was off securing the clue. I would say, Jim, that... Like Amarim, he had tactics board, but it was just full of suspects. Yeah, I was going to say, you're suggesting he solved the murder before it happened, which was on the pitch. Yeah, there was a murder. Present for the murder Minority Report style Yeah Less than investigating More a witness Yeah true I still don't get A naughty uncle I mean sometimes Your older relatives They just have a kip And they're not being naughty They're just a bit older He does say rogue things though Do you remember when he was a pundit Was it the 98 World Cup?

18:11Yeah He is prone to Having a go He was Had a nice little ding dong With Mikel Antonio On the pitch side At the city ground The other week Yeah Oh he did didn't he Yes And then there was also where he was boasting about how many Champions League winners or European Cups he's won. Yes. Well, he was sat among what? I can't remember who were there, but they've had a lot of impressive players. Was that when Robbie Williams was there? He was rude to Robbie Williams as well, wasn't he? Yeah, famous. Who's famously not won any European Cup. Yeah. He's won that charity one at Old Trafford a few times. True, true.

18:42It's domestic though, isn't it? Well, look, I mean, what I love about that is going back to Martin O 'Neill, we're going back, what, 20 odd years, 27, 28 years for his weirdness I mean I also personally I met him at her ado last year and it was about so like everyone had got up from what they were doing so it was about 11 p.m. and he was like a decent amount he'd had a decent amount to drink as we all had under the surface and he was um he was very charming and said a few things I was like that's really funny I don't know if I know you well enough to laugh at that yeah okay right do you know that kind of yeah yeah also there's a kind of like i don't think there is that far between xg is a load of nonsense and the world is flat yeah like for you know the worst types of that type let's not forget let's not forget his one man relentless war against keith andrew who is just my favorite just having a great time at the moment yeah well long may it continue.

19:41Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, so yeah, old Sleepy Martin and Celtic lost last night. Sleepy Martin! 3-0. Rangers lost 2-0 at home to Roma. Don't worry, Celtic fans, we'll balance it up with that. Their seventh European loss in a row, and their 16th defeat of the 2025 calendar year. Oh, sorry, that's a negative thing, isn't it? I just sort of read that as if it was well done, they've done it. They unveiled a Roman soldier Tifo before the game, fitting as Roma were in town. The soldier had a ranger's shield and helmet. It was a good TIFO. It was a good TIFO. I'm fairly indifferent to TIFOs generally, but that one was a good one.

20:15It was. I imagine this is historically accurate, but the soldier in the TIFO was just wearing sandals on his feet, meaning the feet are very clearly the weak spot. And that feels fitting for what then happened. You've got to use your feet a lot. Indeed. There's no shame in losing to Roma, is there? It's just the other 15, isn't it? it's annoying if you're a soldier they keep going the extra mile with Steakham with Roman soldier if you're an old firm team I'm not really sure how you find the room to lose that many games actually as well the Romans famously never got to Scotland they did get to Scotland but they didn't conquer it fair enough, but still they've done it now, but you're right Jim the point you're sort of making is yes so yeah Paul from Rangers and Celtic must do better But of course, it's all about the hearts in the domestic scene who are rocking and rolling their way to the title, as they may not be saying it down the time.

21:19Anyway, let's move on as swiftly as possible from that. Crystal Palace beat AZ Alkmaar in the Europa Conference League last night, 3-1. Another missed penalty, but it didn't matter, Jim. They put them to the sword, beating them 3-1. It's funny because Palace, like in that first half, bombarding the goal. and if you look at the possession stats AZ had about 64 % possession yet Palace always seem to be in control they just bloody love it don't they they just love hitting teams all the way and that's one thing because against AK Larnica sorry Palace fans to mention that one again but it was and I appreciate they beat Dynamo Keith 4-0 but this competition is a little bit different to the Premier League for obvious reasons but they are the team to beat really in this competition for a lot of people's money so trying to then go right we've got to go on the front foot, we've got to go and hammer teams.

22:09All you've got to do, give them... The bonds of them are different, aren't they? Yeah, totally. But I love the fact that they play like that, they score three goals, they're good value for the win, and yet they have about a 35 % possession at home. Glasner knows what he's doing. Go on then. Go on then. Try and score. I'm going to have it and score. It was a really interesting moment when Jean-Philippe Mateta misses that penalty. Yeah. And it was quite difficult to discern it on the TV, but the commentary team seemed to think that he had been confused about a whistle in the crowd or something. Yeah.

22:37Which meant that it completely upset his rhythm. He didn't know when to take the penalty or not and then he therefore missed it. Yeah, because he looks back at one point. Big old sort of like Tim from the office look to camera. Yeah. It was a bit like that. He hadn't heard the referee's whistle go. That's what it was. So he was waiting for that. He'd already gone. Right. Okay. Okay. Strange. Well, Ismail Assar impressed for Crystal Palace. That second goal of his, the third Palace goal in particular was a lovely finish great work from Mateta yes yeah lovely goal yeah yeah he's just flying they're both having really good seasons they're both are and a mention for Lacroix with that finish as well beautiful goal he had to wait for it to be confirmed didn't he and he very emotionally got onto his knees in the centre circle and celebrated properly yes it was nice to see it was nice to see well Palace of course are hosting Brighton on Sunday at 2pm they won both of those games in the Premier League last season so what do we make of it this season Vish with Danny Wilbeck doing his stuff for Brighton yeah I mean Palace are the more functional team aren't they and that's not necessarily a diss to Brighton because Palace are having a lovely time with it but it's quite hard to identify what Brighton actually are anymore it feels like they hit a bit of a ceiling in part because their model is based around finding value, cultivating value selling value and being able to just keep Danny Welbeck because he's old but yeah I mean I do fancy Palace for this but I think the way Brighton seem the way it's flipped basically and it's not just because Palace beat them home and away last year but also just the general vibe around both teams has changed to an extent it feels like this is this is Palace's to lose and that hasn't been the case for a while.

24:33Yeah, I think that's fair. Palace 9th, Brighton 10th, only one point separates. It's really difficult to call it. They're similar level, I think. Palace are probably slightly better as a side, but then you've got to factor in the idea that Palace have played last night. Brighton will have had eight days off by the time they go to play. Possibly with Karo Matoma to come back from injury as well. I think he will be back. I think there's talk that he will be back. And also, Marcus, the point you made earlier about the fact that Crystal Palace are best when they haven't got to make the running. And when you're in a home team in a derby game, I mean, the Palace fans will probably accept him playing.

25:05Yeah, I think that's... But Herzl is a good enough coach to not want to play into their hands, is basically what I'm saying. I do think them playing on Thursday night is a massive factor here, though. Especially as they're not generally used to kind of balancing competitions in this way. They don't rotate that much either, Palace. They don't have that big a squad, right? That's it, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is something that I think people have been monitoring quite a lot with Palace, you know, and thinking, will they be able to finish fairly high in the Premier League. But I think, again, last season, it was very much the focus was on the cup and they finished mid-table again.

25:38So it's kind of where they find themselves. I know what you're saying about, you know, maybe Palace are slight favourites for this, Vish, or sort of paraphrase you there. But then, according to Fabian Herzl, LeBright have, and I'm going to take this at face value, the best player in the world at the moment. Because he has said, I wouldn't swap Danny Welbeck for any player in the world. I think Vish has hit on why, though. because if he had a younger player who was better he'd just have to sell him at the end of the season. Yeah, that's true. That's Brighton's sweet spot. A player that no other team wants because they're too old.

26:07Yeah. They're going to put a team of absolute grippers out next season. It's going to be brilliant. Grippers? Well, we look forward to that. All right, coming up after this we've got another thigh rubber in the Premier League this weekend.

26:27De Bruyne has the short option He does have a splendid set of cards I've got to admit though Jack Grealish down below in front of us Welcome back to the Football Ramble everybody Now before we talk more about the Premier League Don't worry, the international break is almost here Our esteemed leader Thomas Tuchel is literally announcing his England squad as we speak. That means we haven't seen the squad list, but don't worry. We'll be checking it as soon as we're finished. And then Luke and I will be giving you our thoughts exclusively on the Football Ramble YouTube channel later today. So search Football Ramble on YouTube now or click the link in the show notes and hit subscribe so you don't miss it.

27:02It's going to be an explosive Football Ramble episode on YouTube. It is. And by the way, the Ramble YouTube channel is one of the fastest growing football channels on YouTube. So you need to get involved. Mate, it's popping. Get involved. and if some England chat isn't going to dial up the temperature even more I don't know what is. No. Well we've got other stuff for you haven't we? Yeah. Marcus and I argued about Drew Bellingham for 10 minutes. Who doesn't want that? That's true. Yeah. Me justifying Jordan Henderson's inclusion. All right. Manchester City host Liverpool on Sunday 4.30. It's the big one.

27:32Second versus third in the Premier League. Both sides coming off successful weeks in Europe. It's the 1 ,000th match of Pep Guardiola's managerial career. And of course just a little tiny baby step closer to Steve Bruce who has managed 1094 games in his career that's what gets Pep up in the morning it could perk Pep up like a prisoner in the jail cell scratching another thing at the wall with big Steve Bruce head after the 94 games yeah I don't know I think well you think Pep's in the cell and Bruce has got he's jangling the keys yeah I think so he's re-tay with on the wall okay he's the old Steve Bruce triangle goes jingle jangle past Pepsell.

28:15Who's won the most trophies you know? That's harsh on Bruce. It's not is it? It's just two facts side by side. Okay I'm doing a little impromptu quiz. You can't say reality is harsh on Steve Bruce. My defence of an English manager has kicked in. Oh here we go. Okay You're picturing him having a lovely time on that slide or jumping into the sea whichever one it wants. What happens it's kicked in it's an involuntary thing I can't do anything about it so I'm going to have to like a sleeper agent I'm going to have to struggle around and find an argument so how many times has Pep Guardiola got Hull City to an FA Cup final good one when has he had to deal with you know a disagreeable owner we don't know has Pep Guardiola got a son who also made it to professional football yeah in a cup final as well in a cup final guys I'm going to list the achievement and I want you to say Pep or Brutie okay you ready this is going to test me could be player or manager right okay weirdly a lot like the generation game Is any of these going to be about bacon sandwiches?

29:13It might be. Who achieved as a player the Football League Second Division in 1986? Was it Pep or Brucey? That'll be Arman Brucey, yeah. Football League Championship runner-up 2007? Once again, Arman Brucey. EFL League One Manager of the Month in September 2010? When you say it like this, it's looking pretty rosy for Brucey, isn't it? I'm changing opinions. Yeah. I'm changing opinions. Right. There we are. Who won six trophies in the third round of the year? Pep never got more England caps than Brucey either. No, they've got to pay them out. Yeah. Anyway, Anthony versus Liverpool, in the words of Beefy Botham, what are you thinking?

29:52Don't do that. Yeah, not in an Ashes year. That's pertinent. It's not pertinent. It's impossible. This is exactly what we're talking about when we establish the level of smut that Marcus will accept. Ian Botham, Willy Copter. Not usually. Not Willy Copter. It wasn't a moving photo. As far as we know, it wasn't a copter. No, well, it wasn't. He tweeted it. I know he did. There'd be motion blur. There would be. There would be, yeah. If he did a gif, that would be good. What are you thinking? What are you thinking? There it goes. Marcus, in your opinion of seeing the photo, can you picture the photo in your mind?

30:32Annoyingly, I can. Was there blood in it or not? Oh, come on. we've now gone past the globule that he will accept yeah exactly yeah I've crossed the smudge threshold haven't I I think you have one of the greatest arounders who've played the game but he did tweet out a photo of the video he did not as we all know he was only comparing the size of it to Ian Chappell's yeah I think his excuse was he was sending it to his doctor with a kiss producer Rory has just threatened to come from if you pardon the expression behind the desk and step in at this month. He's a fellow man of the bat as well. He is, but he's also a man of the ball.

31:09And that's where we've got to go back to. So come on, answer the question. What was the question? Is it like Ian Botham? What are you thinking? What are you thinking? Come on. I think this is... I think this could be the most fun game between these two for a while because neither of them have something to hold. They are both chasers in this particular situation. I think the fact that Arsenal play the day before makes it all the more interesting. They need to basically take claw hammers to one another. And this has to be as much three points for one side as pushing away the other and creating a bit of separation to then actually properly chase Arsenal.

31:54Because I don't believe Liverpool are a back-back. I think the Real Madrid game is really important. I think the Villa game is nourishing as part of a run rather than isolation. I think the Real Madrid performance and the general vibe of that game, certainly the positive vibes of that game are something they can actually build on. But Man City are flexing a bit now. I think they look magnificent in midweek. And I appreciate that, I think, own goals specifically for Estivate is the second highest goal scorer for Man City. But I think that'll just rectify itself over time, naturally. Yeah, I think that's a weird stat because the stage of the season we're in.

32:32Exactly, yeah. but I really think this is you know City are going to be favourites and I feel like they have to A do a number in Liverpool and similarly Liverpool need to go there and really try and tear the house down I think it is a really important game for both these sides and basically what you're just saying there because it's a victory would be a statement victory but look some of us said they look magnificent against Dortmund you weren't as convinced though they move through the gears and the scoreline makes it look like they were absolutely brilliant but Dortmund had moments and Dortmund threatened a fair amount.

33:05And Dortmund did a fair, in my view, I kind of understand what Vicious said and I'll come on to why it's my slightly different but related take in a minute. But Dortmund weren't too bad at showing up the frailties that still exist at Man City. But my take on Man City is that they've benefited quite a lot from stronger narratives elsewhere in the top of the Premier League. So Arsenal, are they finally going to do it? Arsenal have sucked a lot of the gravity in just because they've been so good. Liverpool have obviously done everyone a favour by losing four Premier League games in a row and conceding so many goals and being a story in themselves.

33:39And this will be the first time you can ever remember Man City going under any kind of radar for any period of time since Guardiola's been there. And that will work in their favour. I think City are the biggest threat to Arsenal still. I think they could quite easily put a run together where they do really, really well. But to broaden out slightly, this is genuinely a really fascinating weekend in the Premier League because the three big games are Palace v Brighton, Liverpool play in Manchester City and May not have played in Tottenham. And every single one of them is almost impossible to predict.

34:11It's impossible to predict what's going to happen in this Man City game. You don't know which team's going to turn up. Man City are perfectly capable of turning up and losing at home to Spurs or losing to Villa and not really looking that great. And Liverpool are capable of basically anything, like anything at all so the point Bish makes about Arsenal playing the day before is also really interesting because I think this might come back to bite me but I think Stadium of Light is probably one of the toughest places to go at the moment and I think the chat around Arsenal has been it's not that they're just not conceding it's not even conceding shots and stuff I think Sunderland can get busy in that midfield and really disrupt them and that'll be a real challenge for Arsenal and if Arsenal don't win against Sunderland this game becomes amazing an amazing game to watch it would certainly get the crowd up if Arsenal don't win against Sunderland although they would be favourites to do that of course big favourites yeah and speaking of Sunderland v Arsenal Granit Xhaka will be at the centre of everyone's attention absolutely I mean we mentioned it last week but Arsenal have equalled a sort of I think it's a 122 year old record of games without conceding a goal and Granit Xhaka's got a hell of a left foot on him imagine he scored his first goal for Sunderland recently the narrative seems to point that way.

35:28And I think it's a very interesting proposition because Arteta is very details-heavy, very prep-heavy, and Sunderland are an unknown quantity. And also, Sunderland have absolutely nothing to lose by just, as you say, getting stuck in and going full throttle, just doing what they do best. Well, they do have something to lose. They could drop out of the race for Champions League. Well, they could, but the reward of going for it is worth it, isn't it? Yes. I don't think they're going to approach this game with any trepidation, which has been a really brilliant factor of Sunderland's season so far, which is that they go into games scared of no one, ready to be the protagonists, just absolutely on an adventure, enjoying every second of it.

36:12And that can be a really powerful thing, especially if you can get your crowd up early, which they're very capable of doing. So it'll be an interesting test of this Arsenal team. No, that's definitely right. The mood around the place is superb. So, you know, after what happened in the previous two seasons to newly promoted sides, for Sunderland to be out there right now, the confidence that's pulsing through everybody's veins at Sunderland is something to behold. And the blueprint of what they did against Chelsea is an interesting one because Chelsea's strength essentially, when they're good Chelsea, it revolves around the midfield balance of Caicedo and Fernandes.

36:45But Caicedo is such a good performer. As I mentioned a bit, I think, yesterday, what Sunderland were able to do is pack that midfield with four players across the middle and really disrupt KC though. Because if you try and match up with him, you just get eaten up really. Unless you've got a very, very special player in there as well. Which you call Sunday don't. Well, Xhaka, in terms of... With levels to it, the point is that they packed it full of players and disrupted them. They'll unquestionably try and do that against Arsenal as well. And they'll do five at the back again, won't they? Yeah, they will.

37:13And no Jockares is actually quite a big deal because he doesn't... So it'd probably be Mikal Marino up front And he's not someone who's going to try and run beyond them. He doesn't press in the same way. Yeah, he's not as physical as Giocares. So yeah, I mean, it's going to be difficult. I still think Arsenal will win, but it is going to be tricky. Now, you mentioned Arteta and Granit Xhaka in the same sentence there, Jim. Well, Granit Xhaka has been speaking about Mikel Arteta's first day as Arsenal manager in a recent interview. And he said, at the training ground, we had a big room and there were some chairs in there, but the chairs were everywhere.

37:47Chaos. so Arteta took all the guys who were working in the building into a room and said guys from the outside you look like this chaos so everyone takes a chair and puts it in the right place and he says I want you to be like this every day yeah I'm not surprised by that because the first time Mikel Arteta as he tells it expressed frustration at how disorganised Arsenal were when he came into the club was while he was basically on the bench as a Man City member of staff So like, it was actually before he even got in the building that he was looking at Arsenal going, what is going on here? So do you not think he wanted the job?

38:23He was happy at Man City. He was like, well, someone's got to do this. It's been a change that you want to see. It's a Southgate-style situation. He's like, I'm fine. No one else will do it. Well, it is those little things that can make a difference. As Sundler themselves found out when Roy Keane took over. Yeah. All those things. You remember the instant impact he had? Yeah. And it was things like... They shut up the table. He was saying things like, the corridor that we all walked through, look at the paints flaking off the wall and stuff. get that painted properly like get this place you know looking spick and span there's something in that I think do you think we should do it here?

38:53I think we have look at the surroundings looks nice you know presumably we'd be expecting an improvement in our performance that's not happened well we'll leave that up to the listeners but do vote for us for the FFA coming up after this Cristiano Ronaldo has been chatting with Piers Morgan again God

39:19Spurs host Manchester United at the Tottenham Hot Spurs Stadium. It gets the Premier League underway this weekend at 12.30 on Saturday. A repeat of that barn burner in the Europa League final last season. Is there a sense hopefully there is a sense from both of them that they really owe us some entertainment. They owe us some goals definitely Jim. Based on what I saw of Spurs at home last time they got capable of that. They can't this is the most unentertaining thing I've seen for quite a long time. Big win in the week though. maybe Mickey Van Der Ven he's just got to take the I wish he'd done that against Chelsea it would be amazing he should at least try it at least once a game you were at the game weren't you I was there against Copenhagen probably what spurred it on doubtful was your take away that they were good again or they just weren't up against much they were better when they went down to 10 it was such a strange game before that because they were already 1-0 up when they went down 2-0 were you impressed by Copenhagen in any way no and that is a point to make.

40:18But with Spurs, you saw them that when they went down to 10, they knew the game plan and because they were 2-0 up, there's no point in just going, oh well, let's just settle for a 2-0 loss here. They haven't won any games and they've been fairly poor. And it's really expensive over there as well. Very expensive. And their away fans had travelled in numbers and were making a good noise. So obviously they start going forward and Spurs, I say we're devastating on the break. They were but I mean when young Mickey's leading the charge like that as we mentioned the other day Christian Romero had a goal which led to Diopoli's goal it felt a bit like the last day of school didn't it we're not learning anything we're just going to play Monopoly and we're not even going to play that seriously no and they should have scored more I mean Richarlison had chances and obviously the penalty but one thing it could do is it could fill them with confidence and it suddenly gave everybody a lift and it was a much needed lift after that Chelsea game because Spurs were desperately poor in that game as we all spoke about and everybody saw They needed a pick-me-up.

41:15And if I'm honest with you, at 1-0 at half-time against FC Camp Nou, I was thinking, yeah, they need something more here. I don't think a victory, a one goal, maybe even a two-goal victory is enough here. I think they needed to really kind of exert their dominance or their quality, which they did in a slightly unconventional way, you could say, with Van Da Ven, just scoring one of the great goals of, you know, I would say in Champions League history, I'd go as far to say that. but what that can do is that can get everybody it feels like maybe a little bit of a reset from that little mini patch of bad form and get everybody going will that translate to a good performance against Manchester United I don't know but it certainly does give everyone a bit of a spring in their step the other way of looking at it is no I totally get what you mean but the other way of looking at it is if you look at the profile of player that performed well against Copenhagen going forward Simmonds assist very bright But Simmonds, a bit like what we were saying for Marlon, sometimes, you know, in the Premier League, he's done okay, but you saw it again against Chelsea that he caught the bug for the goal.

42:19Looks better in European competition, you might. Kolo Mouane as well. Odebeer, who's obviously young, hasn't really impressed, has been in and out the side. Bentoncourt in that midfield position looks like he's lost quite a lot of pace and finds it hard to deal with kind of top-level Premier League opposition. Chelsea just had Spurs' number. It felt like men against boys stuff. And I think the other way I'd look at it would be, Marcus, just that, yeah, they can do it at home against Copenhagen because they're just nowhere near the level. And you look at someone like, you say Simmons, like he's been okay here and there.

42:55He was so off the pace. It was frightening against Chelsea. I mean, he would look low on confidence. He kept taking extra touches. He looked very slow. He couldn't get his foot in the game whatsoever. And clearly what would suggest is the case about Spurs is that their away form's good, perhaps because teams take the game to them and they can do the things you talked about there, which they were able to do against Copenhagen because of some quite strange circumstances against a team who are nowhere near the level. Which is what Frank was used to doing at Brentford. Correct. The question is, how many or not are they going to approach it at the Tottenham Hotspur stand?

43:26Now, I'd love to be at the game on Saturday. I'm not going to be there. I'd love to be there just because it's becoming really interesting being at a Spurs game and you're not a Spurs fan. I know what you mean. Because the fans are of a certain type and they can go either way. the fans actually they won't thank me for this comparison but there's a bit there's been a lot of positivity around Frank because he seems like a very nice man he's had a great career at Brentford and you know after the chaos of what happened with Ange I totally understand why they'd be positive about it but for a while now partly due to the ownership the Spurs fans have been in a position where they're just ready to go they're ready to go all the time and it reminds me again they won't thank me for the comparison but it reminds me of towards the latter stages of Wenger Arsenal fans just waiting for the first mistake to be made, the first stupid error, the first going a goal behind against a team who were worse than them and going mad.

44:15We used to talk about it a lot, didn't we? The first groan at the Emirates. It's very much like that. The rest of the match. Well, it's funny because when you said that when they're ready to go, I thought you meant, and it kind of goes into your point, is they're ready to go, as in they're ready to see their team really kind of take games of football. Oh, they are, but they're also ready to go the other way entirely. Exactly, yeah. And that's how it can switch. And I think that, you know, with Manchester United fans saying, yeah, but it's Manchester United kind of thing, there's almost an element with Spurs not that oh come on we're Spurs but it's you know look at this stadium how much money has been put into this squad how many you know previous managers have we had who have had top level experience and blah blah blah like come on something's got to give and with Frank it was a slightly different type of appointment you could argue although you might have said that about Ange previously and obviously it started pretty well the improvement was there I mean they're sixth in the table 17 points after after 10 games they're in a false position but they are in a little bit of a false position you're right and I think that the last thing they need for those reasons is to get a poor result here because suddenly everyone goes alright yeah Copenhagen didn't mean anything yeah and I think a bit of further evidence it's anecdotal of course it's not going to be indicative of the wider fan base and you can't speak on behalf of an entire fan base ever anyway but I remember at half time during the Chelsea game I was in the bathroom and there's loads of Spurs fans there obviously and a couple of them were really angry about how poor Javi Simmons was because I think they had so much hope for him because he cost so much money and he's a great reputation and they're talking about how shit he is and all the other Spurs fans are just laughing they're just laughing about how ridiculous it is oh Spurs done it again with his fucking plays an absolute dud kind of thing which is obviously probably wider than Mark and maybe he'll prove them wrong over time and you probably expect him to but it's just funny there was no kind of feeling of we're nine games into the season he needs our support we're fans he's going to be a great player in time there was none of that apathy's kind of set in I think so and I think as well A bit of cynicism, maybe.

46:05Well, yeah, definitely. Because people were saying, you know, Spurs had a great transfer window, which on paper they did. So all this stuff's got to count. And against Manchester United, because of how both sides did last season and obviously finished the season playing in that Europa League final, I think there is something about this game that, again, it's one game, so one doesn't want to get over the top about this. But it is a game where people are going, is this some kind of reveal of where these two sides are now? because Manchester United there seems to be a bit of positivity poking back in there well it is it is a good test to see where Spurs are considering they beat Manchester United four times last season they won the Europa League and then they're in this situation playing against that same basket case club and I think Spurs are also a bit of a basket case club I mean this is a bit like this is the it's so over we're so back derby basically yeah in terms of like how fans veer from one extreme to another I think Xavi Simons is actually going to be really important for them this weekend because while Manchester United have been better, what they're not necessarily going to get from Spurs is essentially thrust through midfield.

47:14And that generally is caught Manchester United out. Brighton could have made more of what they had of the ball when they played at Old Trafford and lost, but they didn't. Spurs don't play like that, but Simons can be a ball carrier. I think he's been quite low on confidence. We spoke about him after their win against Copenhagen, didn't we? About how he looked closer to the player that we think he's going to become than what he's shown so far. But yeah, Manchester United, they're not necessarily going to press Spurs in the way that Chelsea did, but they are going to be quite energetic off the ball, and I think that'll be a bonus, especially with the, if you don't mind me calling this, Jim, the Wenger Arsenal factor of getting that moan in early and then Manchester United relaxing into that moan.

47:56And actually Man United might be able to use their sort of modern kind of reputation to their advantage there. It could be a Lanzitz-Man United situation. Yeah, exactly. I think if United have got any sense about them, and we know from all the Amarim's perceived faults, we know he's a details guy and he's really into the tactical side of the game and he's got his own way of doing things. He would have seen that the only thing you need to do to limit Spurs, this current Spurs side with the injuries they've got, is you double up on Kudus. Yeah. You let Palinio and Benton call after ball because they can't do anything with it.

48:28And you don't give Simmons any time. Because you talk about Simmons being a ball carrier, right? I get why in theory he is. But based on the evidence in my own eyes and ears against Chelsea, he's nowhere near the level. Nowhere near it. Well, I mean, the Chelsea goal comes from the fact that he doesn't trust himself to do it anymore. Exactly. Because otherwise he doesn't play that ball back to Van de Ven. And not only that, though, the sheer amount of attacks that would break down over and over again. You know that thing that people were talking about a few weeks ago with Salah when it just breaks down every time he gets to him?

49:00It was like that, but without the masses of reputation behind you to insulate you. Yeah, I think if Simons does start, he's probably going to be out wide because they have so many injuries. You know, they've not, or rather, Frank's not been able to call upon Kuliszewski. Obviously, Solanke complicates things because then someone who would prefer to play wide ends up having to play through the middle and they lose that focal point. I think they miss Madison Bish. Yeah, I heard you mention it on the show. I think that was spot on. I'm similar to you in that. I don't think he's brilliant, but he does want the ball.

49:38He makes things tick, doesn't he? He's head up, he's confident. He doesn't care if he loses it. He wants it back. Yeah, and you also know the problem with Spurs and a lot of people, Spurs fans, have complained about their lack of ball progression and things like that. And I suppose the problem comes from if you don't trust the guy in possession of the ball, you're not going to make the run. Poro still does. Yeah. But you're not going to try and find an angle because you don't necessarily... There is enough doubt that the pass is going to be played or the ball is going to come to you that you don't give it your all.

50:10You kind of pull your punch when you're trying to make those off-the-ball runs. And yeah, that complicates things. This will be a really interesting game. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up in a pretty stale one-all draw. Yeah. Do you think Amorim, from what you've seen of him in the past year or so, is likely to set Man United up to kind of, with a sort of bespoke game plan to nullify Spurs in the way Luke mentioned? Or is he just going to be system, system, system, system? We don't worry about the opposition. We just try and do our own thing. I think it's one of the same. I think it'll be, I think the system will be the counter, really, to whatever Spurs try and do.

50:45Because it gives, the way Mbwemo and Cunha in particular have been operating, and then Fernandes, who arrives a bit later, is absolutely in that space where they could overroar Benton Kerr and Paulinho. What's massive is that Romero's back. Romero wasn't playing from the start against Chelsea and he's not only a big leader for them and a proper top-level experience pro, he also, in his own way, kind of sets up as many attacks as a midfielder would. He could be a big bonus for them because I think the danger for Spurs comes from Cunha and Mbwemo in those spaces. Yeah. When they've got a lack of confidence and they've got no ball carrier to relieve the pressure on themselves, you can just see Cunha and Mbwemo being like proper pests.

51:30And like Marcus talks about a lot, you know, Cunha from distance, very dangerous player as well. Yeah. I think if a goal goes in early from Man United and then therefore they have even less reason to attack, attack, attack. I mean, the crowd will go, Spurs will, Spurs will, basically my prediction is Spurs will retreat in themselves and they won't be able to do anything. And I think they'll play Odebreu on the left and I think they'll play Simmers for the middle again. That's what I think they'll do. Ruben Amirim said in his pretty much press conference, we know as a club we made a lot of mistakes in the past and we're trying to change that.

52:02So, I mean, hopefully aimed at Sir Jim and some of the others in the top of the club, but who knows. But he was also responding to comments Cristiano Ronaldo made in an interview with his old pal Piers Morgan. I say old pal, actually, they're sort of fairly recently new because if you remember, Piers Morgan did write that article once saying we shouldn't cheer Cristiano Ronaldo. He's like a pathetic child or something like that. But anyway, Piers won't thank me for reminding everybody of that. He doesn't thank anyone for anything. He's just delighted to be spoken about them, isn't he? The transactional friendship.

52:33It's very much an absolute hallmark of the genre of content, which is who is this for? Piers Morgan interviews Cristiano Ronaldo. Just tell me who is this for? For each other. Yeah, that's exactly. That's the correct answer. It's very much for Piers, yeah. Ronaldo is a spoiled brat why cheer him was the actual headline he wrote but there we are did you hear how he opened this interview I've got your aftershave on at the moment Cristiano and everyone keeps telling me I smell just like you come and kiss me what I didn't say that 60 minute stuff well yeah so Ronaldo was saying that he thought that Amarim was doing a good job and he couldn't work miracles but he did say that while some of the United players are good others didn't have the mind of a player at the club would you agree with that Vish you know what yeah I think it's probably fair enough it's not helpful though is it not in any way helpful but if he's asked a question at least he's doing an interview with Peter Morgan where he's not contracted to the club that's fair enough fair enough yeah that is a step in the right direction this is better actually you know what I do like Amirim's response to that which is essentially saying you know we know as a club we've made a lot of mistakes in the past and we're trying to change that essentially the core of the messaging and everything he said in that interview was about looking forward and not looking backwards and if he can like essentially consistently get people at United to do that and try to change the narrative about that and obviously results help that and they're on a little unbeaten run which makes it a lot easier then that just makes everybody's life at the club easier I think it's absolutely vital I think you know far too often if you are going to criticise him for some of his mindset stuff it's that he's he just looks like he's listening to Linkin Park's hybrid theory on loop forever and I think you're absolutely hit on something there spot on and I'm sure you'd agree someone needs to be big enough to go in there and say forget that Alex Ferguson stuff just fucking forget it that was one of the biggest that was one of the biggest shortcomings of Solskjaer it was it became like a tribute act to that era and for them to properly move on someone has to do that they have to say that you know the only previous manager to have done that Van Hull probably yeah to a point but also Van Hull was close enough to Ferguson that he probably he used it as quite a useful crutch let's talk about Ralph Rangnick come on yeah Yeah.

54:46Ralph Rangnick. Specs. On his little bike. But he basically came in. He basically came in as an auditor. Yeah. And he was like, here's all the things wrong with it. Yeah. And they were like, okay, how do we fix this? I don't know. I don't know. It's literally not the job of an auditor. My glasses aren't that thick. Yeah. I'm here to tell you all the problems. You get someone else to fix that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and he didn't. And the problems remain. But maybe Amirim can solve them. Now, everybody. At Manchester United, they are on an unbeaten streak, you have to say. And so is Luke Moore when it comes to Jack's encyclopedia.

55:19Yeah, pressure's on though, isn't it? He's the belt holder. He kept hold of it last week, and we've got a rematch from last week. It's Marcus v Luke v Vish. Luke is still that lineal champion. He's got the belt. Vish and I want it off it badly. He's got the My Biddy Aunt belt as well. That's safe. That's in the bag. That can't be touched, unless Luke wants to put it on the line now. It'd be hard, wouldn't it? Marcus, we've got a team together to make sure Vish doesn't take it to Australia. Don't start that. We have to. We can't have Vish in Australia for two months with the belt. I'd like to beat you both okay alright I'm not even going to it's going to be too hot to wear the belt yeah exactly unless it's the only thing you're wearing good point I'd love to see that it's an excellent point Jack's Encyclopedia will be available to listen to later today make sure to subscribe to the Football Ramble in your podcast app so you never miss an episode and thank you very much for listening to the Football Ramble part of the Acast creator network do remember the FSA Awards get involved the link is in the show notes or you can find it by your own little googling but do vote for us for podcast of the year we would honestly bloody love that if you did that but thank you very much for listening again we'll see you later for Jack's Encyclopedia lots of love the gate to the weekend will be open later when Jack's Encyclopedia is finished until then thank you Luke Moore thank you very much thank you Jim Campbell thank you thank you Vidushan and Araja cheers thank you Jack

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