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3:37Luke Moore: Heard yourself of sin, everybody. Welcome to the Football Ramble Preview Show. England face the European and World Champions at Wembley tomorrow. It's Friday, 20th September. I'm Marcus Speller. I'm Luke Moore.

3:47Jim Campbell: I'm Jim Campbell. And I'm going to fuck it up.

4:01Luke Moore: You rebellious little jobby. Hello, everybody. It's Friday. I'm delighted to hear that it's Friday, September. Do you want to do it again, then? No, I don't. I liked it. No, let's do it again. Let's do it again. Go on, do it now. Do it now. It's Friday, 25th of September. I'm Marcus Spelling. I love it. I want to start, I want to start and then you drag us back. I do drag you back because I think, I think the date admin, although I'm never quite clear as to why we do it in the intro. It does appear to be - Because you wanted to say it! Nobody cares. You brought it in many years ago. I campaigned against it.

4:36You could put a little bit of trivia in there instead. Alan Shearer scored 250 Premier League goals or something like that. On the 25th of September. Instead of saying the date, make it useful. Alan Shearer punted Neil Lennon in the head. Exactly.

4:47Jim Campbell: Unbelievable. swing at Roy Keane. Yeah. Which, by the way, very low percentage play from Alan Shearer. Although he was a bit of a hard man himself, wasn't he, Shearer? Sharp elbow. But Keane, you know, Alan Shearer adopted the darkness. Keane was born in that. I respect it, though. You've got to respect that sort of swing, surely. Because you know the consequences are going to be bad. Do you think he thought that Keane would respect it? Yeah. he'd leave him alone? Yeah. It's sort of like on your first day in prison, you're supposed to, you know, take a swing at the big dog. Kiss the biggest guy.

5:16I'd love to see Jim do that on his first day in prison is that what you mean that's how we met yeah

5:22Jim Campbell: I was just working there I was in the library

5:26Luke Moore: I've heard you've been called a screw many times now England versus Spain tomorrow evening the long wait is over England are back the long wait is over what could have been yes I'm still angry I'm still angry from looking from coming for this

5:40Jim Campbell: I've realised I'm still angry about the Argentina game and to be quite right Anthony Gordon and the manager and not doing anything to make me any more satisfied. I felt instantly angry on Wednesday when I sat in that chair over there and had to talk about England again. It just kind of crept up on me.

5:54Luke Moore: Thomas Tuchel and I are the only people trying to push this on now. Thomas Tuchel hasn't watched the Argentina match again, which is an incredible thing to say. He did. He watched it with Daniel Sturridge the other day. Did he? Yes. Not all of it. He didn't watch all of it. He just watched highlights. Sturridge looked at him and went, no, we've watched highlights of the previous games. We're watching all of this. Like Clothmark Orange? A little bit. Yeah, his eyes open. Ken Dodd show Lock the doors You're in there for three hours You're going to watch all of it Marcus why should he watch it? Why should he watch it?

6:22Luke Moore: Because you can learn From your mistakes Exactly As I've told you So many times before I heard he re-watched it And to make it feel As real as possible He got Anthony Barrow To do the half time Comments as well Come in and then run off again Like a Bash Street kid The brief highlights Of Anthony Barrow A lot of Anthony's In the England set up Well two specifically Yes This is a huge one. This is a huge one. And I can tell you this, that Luis De La Fuente told journalists in his presser that minutes, he said just minutes after the World Cup final and the celebrations, just minutes after they began to cool off, he said one of his senior players, who he did not mention, came up to him and said, Mr, now what?

7:02Luke Moore: What's left to win? And Luis De La Fuente said, I replied, bloody hell, the game against England at Wembley on 26th of September. Is that true?

7:10Jim Campbell: What's left to win? It's got the whiff of Jake Humphrey, though. Big time. Do you not think he said bloody hell? What words are left to conquer?

7:18Luke Moore: What is the source for this? Well, a friend himself said it. Come on, I said it. He said to the journalists in his presages. Lewis, does everybody deserve happiness?

7:29Jim Campbell: He said, well, we could find it at Wembley. Be crying with Davina within a month. Lewis, can you get Jamie Oliver to appear on my show, please? Have you seen that meme? No. Oh, yeah, he wants to. Jake Humphrey really wants Jamie Oliver to come on his show. and so he makes an appeal publicly on Radio X with Chris Moyles and the next guest is Jamie Oliver and they play the whole thing to him and at the end, Jamie Oliver just goes, no. Get on him on. Get on him. What a shame. Only Friday, Jake Humphrey dig from us.

7:58Luke Moore: Yeah, that's fair enough. It's Friday. Par. It's par. Par for the cause. It is par, yeah. Well, look, Spain have been looking forward to this ever since they won that World Cup, apparently. It's the big kahuna. It's the big kahuna. Yes, indeed it is, yeah. I mean, if they really... Obviously, the Spanish side's, you know, in the late noughties and early teenies or whatever we call them won three tournaments in a row this Spain side they're on two Jim but winning at Wembley against England I think would feel like a trophy

8:23Jim Campbell: yeah I think certainly based on what Mr. De La Fuente is saying it seems like they're gearing up for that and I wouldn't be surprised if they do win at Wembley

8:32Luke Moore: they're good aren't they you've stuck your neck out there you're back in the European and World Champions foreign Nations League champions as well they know how to win this trophy yeah well I suppose

8:39Jim Campbell: that's it isn't it the Nations League did not exist around that time. So that's what the mister probably should have said. Because that's another one to stick in the old Spanish trophy cabinet, isn't it?

8:50Luke Moore: Another one. Yeah, well, as I say, they've won it before. But this would be three in a row. There's no doubt about that, Pete Donaldson. No. Well, you can doubt the importance of it, possibly. But you can't doubt that it happened. Is it fair to say Japan has shown them the way? They have shown them the way. I like the idea of the Spanish players. God, Wembley's an absolute fortress. Let's have a look back. We're in the last timing the loss that we're asked. Uruguay got a draw. Japan got a win. Japan just before the World Cup. Just Japan. Yeah. That absolutely fucking rinsed us as well from memory.

9:17Well, indeed.

9:18Luke Moore: But we have someone on the inside. Anthony Gordon, of course. Right. Agent Gordon. Agent Gordon. David Niven as James Bond. Lovely reference. Well, Barcelona's Anthony Gordon said England should stop trying to replicate Spain. I had no idea we were trying to replicate Spain. That's great news. Makes it worse. Bit of insight. Makes it worse. Brilliant. Was that the instruction, was it? You've witnessed the heat wave. They've just eaten dinner really late. We've had heat waves. We have, exactly. Good point. We have a heat wave. Plates of food are getting smaller. Crisps are getting posher. Yeah, we are.

9:49Luke Moore: So we're nearly there. We just need to carry on with the football, then we'll be alright. He said, yeah, in Spain, his time in Spain has made him realise just how different the two countries' approach to football really are. Something that I think we all knew for a while. Yeah, alright, fucking gap, yeah, put it away. Yeah, exactly. How long you've been there? Actually, if you've been to Thailand, you use the chopsticks this way. Is he got... Is Anthony Gordon got dreadlocks? Acoustic guitar. We don't need Eddie Sheeran this time. It's going to be Anthony Gordon on this guitar. Don't mention Eddie Sheeran, not in this climate.

10:18Why not? What about Macklemore?

10:21Luke Moore: Yeah, you can mention him. Macklemore. Apparently is Macklemore. He's French. He's French. No, it's Macklemore. Macklemore. Hang on, Jim. I'm just owed an apology by these two. As an L. Moore myself, I know exactly how you say it. You'll never get one out of him. No, I know. He's not apologetic. You've set it up in the wrong way. Have I? I very much enjoyed the way I said it up the only time I ever apologise is when I decide I want to that's how they should work Luke yeah but I'm not getting so much to make me apologise am I yeah especially not someone I don't respect I'm very happy to wait yeah yes it was Andy Brassel that informed on you by the way was it yeah I'm seeing him Andy Brassel of rant yeah he says rant he says rant now he informed me what they said on another podcast I see an egg belongs on their faces well look Anyway, enough of the bollocks.

11:10Luke Moore: Spain are playing at Wembley. No need to, bollocks. Los bollocks. Oh, nice. Well, Anthony Gordon said, you know, as a nation, we don't have the strength like the Spanish do in controlling games. It's not in us, I'm sure. I'm not sure it's something that could be taught, because again... You're a fucking liar. You can't be taught. I agree. And a lot of these players play in teams that do exactly that. I think it takes such an enormous holistic approach, which Spain took, is I think you're battling against so many things. I mean, even... So you're agreeing with Gordon then? No, I'm understanding his position.

11:40Luke Moore: Gapier Gordon. I'm understanding his position. Because even people talk about the weather influences, how one plays football. There's such a huge thing here. But he did say, maybe we're English, we have our own strengths, which they don't have, so maybe we should start playing the way that we're good. Which is, of course, what Tuchel said before the World Cup. Let me ask you a question then. or ask the panel illustriously assembled panel here question is there more than one way of controlling a football match yeah winning one yes loads of ways to win one I would say there's more than one way to control a football match would you and I think far too often people conflate the idea of controlling a football match with how Spain play and a million passes because it's the most obvious way of controlling a football match sure and it's obviously been very successful in recent years but the the problem for England has always been that it's not, oh, we don't play the same way as Spain.

12:40It's that we've had several opportunities, certainly since we've been doing this show and way before there probably, maybe if it wasn't quite as homogenous then, but we've had lots of opportunities nonetheless to develop a style of our own and we've just not done it. And the problem is England always seemed to end up a day late and a dollar short every time a tournament happens going, oh, actually, well, what happened was in 2010 is that we were a bit shit. Germany had loads of young players and a really energetic press. And Spain had amazing ticky-tack of football. So what we need to do is one of them.

13:12And by the time we get round to doing that, it's moved on again. They've developed. And it's moved on again. And it comes back round again. And so this stuff happens. I remember Jack Wilshire saying this 15 years ago. Jack Wilshire was saying a variation of this and he said at the end of it, because he got quite a lot of stick at the time, probably from us, he said, we need to realise what we're good at and stop trying to be what everyone else is, we need to realise we're good at tackling and running a lot or something like that. And he got derided for it. The point being that it's a tradition of English players quite regularly or English managers, whatever, looking outside and going, oh, we can't really do it.

13:47We need to find a way of doing that. When actually what they could do is understand that there's an amazing football tradition in this country in perhaps a slightly different way and develop our own style and our own way of playing that would play to our strengths. Now, there's been some move towards doing that because of course we've got St George's Park and we are now I think we can all agree for all England's faults we're developing players better than we have done. We're in a much better place where we were 10, 15. The technical level

14:12Jim Campbell: has risen because of these changes. It's also risen because football's become a lot more homogenous now but we are developing players which is a massive part of it. Back in the day it was really difficult it seemed for England to bring players through because there was no unified vision for that but there's still no unified vision for style and there's no continuity between managerial eras either, which is also a massive problem with it. So Gordon said another thing, which I thought was quite interesting, which was we as English players are educated the same way as the Spanish players. We know how to keep possession, but it's the decision making of certain players in Spain.

14:44Jim Campbell: I look at some of the decisions they take on the ball sometimes and think, I'm not sure how you've seen that. Now, to me, that does just seem like, really, that is a coaching thing, you know, and it is just like getting used to that playing style. I'm not sure that, I mean, obviously, Gordon knows more than I do, But the idea that we cannot ever be as good as that seems fanciful, really. It might take 50 years, but I don't think it's impossible that England could play that way one day. I also think a big difference is La Masia, because so many of those kids are like basically literal children when they're in the camp at Barcelona and learning their trade.

15:22Jim Campbell: And Premier League clubs aren't allowed to have a version of that. I think St. George's Park is a good start, but kind of more development. We had Lillyshaw back in the day.

15:30Luke Moore: Unfortunately, with Lillyshaw, the guy who headed it up was a long ball merchant. Sure, yeah. And a lot of players came through Lillyshaw. If you look at the names, you're going to look at a lot of the golden generation. But that's slightly different, though, because Lillyshaw was the school of excellence where you just got the best players, and that's where they went. They were just scouted as the best players. They were trying to get the players who were already really talented and get them into a pathway to playing for a professional club and for England. but there wasn't like an over-arching vision of how to play.

15:58Luke Moore: I mean, I think you can look at Spain and you can obsess over that. Look at the side who have been to back-to-back World Cup finals with, well, you could even say France, but more recently Argentina. Do Argentina have a style of play? Yes, of course, they've had Lionel Messi. Kitting the shit out of everyone. Evil. But their style of play... Evil. Evil is effective, evidently. Yeah. And sometimes it's the grit and determination to win. And I'll tell you something, the Lionesses have it. The fact is, when they played Spain in the Euros last time around, Spain had a lot more of the ball, but England, Russo scored, and they won on penalties.

16:34Luke Moore: They found a way to win, and often that is how you win tournaments. Again, you could obsess over Spain and whatnot, and I understand why, but I think that when it comes to the crunch, as we saw in a spectacular way against Argentina, the worst example I think we've ever seen in our lifetimes, in fact, probably ever, but you can trace this all the way back, 1970 World Cup, I'm not going to give a history lesson. Yes, you are. England in those crucial moments, they buckle.

17:06Jim Campbell: Yeah, it was a 20-minute identity crisis, wasn't it? It was horrendous. Are you suggesting that we lean into the evil idea? No. And that they should be doing that at St. George's Park? No, I'm saying... Against Argentina, yeah. Yeah, for sure. One of the bespoke plans for that. I just think a lot of the better players in the England squad need to spread their wings a bit and play in different leagues. Harry Kane should move from the English League. Gerald Quonsa should move from the English League. Jude Bellingham should move away from the English League. Trent should get some minutes outside of the Premier League.

17:34Maybe learn other cultures. We used to say that, didn't we, Peter?

17:40Luke Moore: Again, harking back a few years ago, we said one of the problems was England. All the players play here. Well, now they don't. You missed out, in quite a disrespectful way, in my view, you missed out Trevor Chalabar, who's at Como. Okay, good. Yeah, Marcus Rashford, who presumably will be off in January. But he has been abroad recently. Well, look, again, we can, as I say, obsess all over that and so on. But what I would like to bring to the table is a couple of late call-ups for England. James Garner was a late call-up along with Morgan Gibbs-White. And like Gibbs-White, Garner had gone on holiday.

18:15Luke Moore: And I admire the professionalism of these footballers. You see Morgan Gibbs-White's wife's Instagram. Yeah, well, they had a little song, didn't they, as he was leaving. Good stuff. I like it. She said on the Instagram that he had been in the hotel for two hours. He gotta pay for that. He was walking up the door again. Yeah, well, Garner, it was described as he'd put the key in the door. He'd flown to Turkey with his partner, and he got there on the Sunday evening. He flew out Monday morning. I bet the private jet was still full of petrol. Well, Gibbs-White had reached Dubai with his partner. Right.

18:47Luke Moore: Cool. And then he had to go back. I mean, for the family, obviously they have a life of immense privilege, and we know that, but the families, particularly if you've got kids and stuff, you are very much prescripted when you can have holidays. Like school holidays, isn't it? Yeah, basically. And so it's just... I mean, it's a mixed emotion for Garner, because he's thinking, ah, do you know what, abroad at Turkey, and obviously relaxation and so on. But then, of course, getting the England call, he was delighted, and he was like, ah, sorry, love, I'm back on the plane. but he Garner interestingly I think Thomas Tuchel described him as a little Valverde when they played it's a lovely compliment it is a lovely compliment yeah James Garner was very much talking up the Uruguayan Valverde I like James Garner he's good he's everywhere he wins the ball a lot he wins the ball back you know he likes to get stuck in he also plays you know good amounts of four passes as well but when he's played 10 minutes against Czech Republic after this international break would he think to himself I probably should have stayed in Turkey Yeah.

19:48Loved, loved a bit of back lever. Gutting. Yeah. I know what you mean, but like for him, no. Yeah, of course. Because he's trying to break in. It's not like he's got 80 caps. No, no. If you've got 80 caps and you're in the age where you're probably not going to make the next tournament and the phone rings, you're thinking, yeah.

20:04Jim Campbell: Especially now it's a three week international break. That is some prime holiday real estate. Yeah, exactly. I don't think that's happened before, has it? It's normally just two, isn't it? Well,

20:12Luke Moore: that's why they're calling it the great autumn international break of 2026. After Marcus's vigorous lobbying behind the scenes, we then have the great international break of autumn 2026. I'm not wielding people power. I'm wielding person power. It was a one-man mission.

20:26Jim Campbell: Let's hope we don't get the flash international breaks that you've been campaigning for as well. There'll be a lot of flashing going on. What's everyone doing Thursday? I reckon we can get... Romania? Romania? Romania, they're available. These are Romanian teams that get it for Thursday.

20:40Luke Moore: It's an extreme football event caused by climate change. Airspeller, anytime, anywhere. Yeah. We will be there. It's not the A-team. Yeah. We're America. Chuck a load, yeah, exactly. There we are. Chuck, but chuck a load of English footballers in the back of a big van. Yeah, gently. And drive them over to fucking Germany, get them to play someone. Did you need to swear there? No. Bites a bit of time though, doesn't it? Fucking Germany. You know. Yeah. I was just thinking. It's this Friday too. Thinking time, innit? Okay. Yeah. Fair enough. Get fucked. Fair fucked. Well, yes. England, you know.

21:16Luke Moore: Fucking England. Oh, come on. Don't ruin this for me. That doesn't have to be a negative. It does. England, yes. So, Spain tomorrow night is a huge one, Jim. Who do you think England can use to beat up the Spanish and get a precious victory?

21:33Jim Campbell: It's a huge one. Well, it's opening night of the Nations League against the world champions at Wembley. It's pretty big. even for those who enjoy talking international football down to get a rise out of your very predictable co-host I do concede it is a big one probably the usual suspects he'll play his strongest team I would think Harold Kane Judy Bellbell

21:58Luke Moore: I'm enjoying what you're doing here I think you're absolutely right Jordan Pickford still number one

22:03Jim Campbell: yeah I don't think anyone's putting any real pressure on him too early for James Trafford I would say Jason Steele, he has his role Yeah, he's now an official backup goalkeeper, isn't he? He's done well, he's been promoted but I'd be amazed if he started against Spain. It's a bit like Prince Charles becoming king Yeah, yeah. Like, 70 odd finally gets the nod, Jason Steele's 36. Just wants to sit down now. I feel it's more like

22:25Luke Moore: Camilla becoming queen. Why? Because he's a bit like, oh is he in the yeah, he's there, but oh no, he has an official title So she is the queen, yeah, she is the queen He is an option on the bench

22:35Jim Campbell: I see what you mean. Yeah. Trent? You think we see Trent? Ah, yeah.

22:39Luke Moore: Well, that's the... So Luke was ranting and raving about the right back situation. Well, I just think it's mad how Tuchel's gone about it. You don't like it when someone changes their mind or... No, it's not that. It's not that at all. Okay. It's just that I wanted... I was interested in an explanation, which if I may be so bold and perhaps being a bit unfair here, was not forthcoming from you, Marcus, earlier in the week. What, an explanation about Trent? About why Tuchel was behaving... I listed out a situation which I thought was ridiculous and the fact that he didn't, he basically left England short for right-backs going into a World Cup, knowing that would probably happen, ended up playing a player out of position which he then got sent off and obviously England just about got through.

23:20And then the first thing he does when we have to name a new squad for a competitive game is he just names Trent again.

23:25Luke Moore: Yeah, but my point is that maybe he's looked at that and gone, yeah, I should have done it and learned and put a right-back in and somehow that's not a good idea for you. He should keep making a bad decision. I think no I think that he should know That a right back is necessary At this level of football It's not like walking So better late than never I've not done this before But your mate's dad's pulled out So I'll coach Apparently we need a right back So should he or shouldn't he have picked Trent? I think he should have been picking Trent the whole time So credit to him then Well done Thomas There we go You make me do it Chemical alley over there You're the one denying reality Trent's in the squad and he could start and I'm sure a lot of people would be pleased about that yeah I'm sure they would one of them's around this table and well which perhaps is you because you want him in the squad he's there I this is going to be a tough game for him though Peter it is yes how important would a win be you don't care I mean it's one of those it's a little bit like the France third place playoff I feel like it's the spirit in which they approach this match or about how they actually how they actually what they actually achieve in this match and it's just basically how they play.

24:33Luke Moore: You want the performance rather than the result. Yeah, because I mean if this is absolutely... I can't see Spain just overrunning anyone, because they just control games, don't they? They don't score a lot of goals. I'm sure it'll be like a... if Spain win, it'll be a 2-1 or a 1-0. But it's very much in what spirits England show in this particular match. They've definitely got to lift themselves. They've got to lift themselves after a disappointment, and they've got to understand now that they're at the start of a really long cycle cycle towards getting it back again, right? Because the Nations League, yeah, that's fine.

25:05It's important for them to play competitive internationals against good teams. I think, to me, that's the value in it. The value in it is you're not just playing pointless friendlies or qualifiers that 95 % of the time you're going to fucking win anyway. You're playing competitive games against other good teams. There is a ball at the end of it, which is good. But the reality is that international football runs in two-year cycles in Europe, and we are now at the start of another two-year cycle. we've got to wait the best part of two years before we have another tournament. And the players who are perhaps a bit younger, but have had experience of what happened the summer just gone, they just need to show that they can lift themselves.

25:40They need to kind of get in there and compete. Do I think they'll learn anything two years out from a Euros playing Spain tomorrow night? Probably not, because I think things will be so different in two years' time that it won't matter. But clearly, in football, winning games is a good thing. So that's how they've got to look at it.

25:57Jim Campbell: I think one potential learning point, though, is Morgan Rodgers as a left winger. He's been playing wide for Chelsea, hasn't he? And it's been really, really effective for the most part. I think Tuka will pay attention to that. Different system, though, Jim. It is a very different system, yes. But he's still operating in those spaces in a way that I think he can also do effectively for England. So I would not be surprised if we see that. And I'll be very interested to see how it plays out as well.

26:25Luke Moore: Yeah. The other area in the pitch, Declan Rice isn't there. who's going to partner Elliot Anderson. It's not going to be Kobi Maynou. We know that.

26:31Jim Campbell: Even if he was in the squad still, it wouldn't be Kobi Maynou. Well, it's going to be Lewis Skelly, James Garner or Alex Scott because those are literally the available players in that position.

26:41Luke Moore: He's surprised if it was Garner because obviously he was a late caller.

26:43Jim Campbell: Yeah, I think it might be Lewis Skelly.

26:46Luke Moore: I do too. I saw that.

26:48Jim Campbell: He's been very good. Alex Scott has been very good as well. So perhaps those two will kind of share that role.

26:53Luke Moore: I think the important thing for England is if you remember the 2018 World Cup, obviously that was a very different even though England finished in the semi-final different feeling because we didn't expect that England then carried that good feeling into the Nations League and then into the Euros and obviously failed beaten in the final but I think what you're saying Luke you're right, it's two years away from the Euros it's always good to have a positive feeling it's always good to win the game I just think if you're a player in this situation not if you're a Kane or a, I don't know, a sacker or something because that's probably settled or a Bellingham.

27:29But I think, you know, if you make the calculation as a player that the manager's going to be the manager for the Euros, which, I mean, it's quite difficult to see him. Apart from, unless it's some kind of off-field shenanigans going on, he's going to be the coach. You have to be busting your balls to perform, to get yourself in the plans because, you know, you know what football's like. It's totally ruthless. It's like a totally ruthless meritocracy at the very top level. And all that needs to happen is someone to emerge in your position for you to be out on your ear. So they do have to have that motivation in a slightly different way rather than thinking, oh, do we care about the Nations League or not?

28:06I think for them, it's probably quite a slightly different calculation, I would say.

28:09Luke Moore: All right, everybody. Coming up after this, Wales suffered defeat to Portugal.

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30:36English media typewriters ready please. He's going to talk about Harry Maguire now. How did you find him the last time? He picked road against Watford. He's really shit.

30:47Luke Moore: Really. Welcome back to the football ramble everybody. Scottish producer put that in there didn't he? In England international break. Disgraceful. Even though he's half English. Outrageous. Petty. It's that kind of propaganda Marcus which sees a great patriotic professional like Harry Maguire not in the current England squad. It is. It absolutely is. Before we get to the Dutch, Portugal 1-0, Craig Bellamy predicted before the game that his side would suffer against Portugal. I didn't think they suffered that much, actually, to be quite frank. Joao Felix, always nice to see him. Is it? Do you not think?

31:22Yeah, he's a great looking fella.

31:23Luke Moore: Is he? He needs some hair product. Yeah, fair. It was a bit of an Una Emery vibe, wasn't it? The bouffant. Yeah, that was weird. Yeah, I really enjoyed that. too much shit. But do you also get the impression, you guys, this might be me being unfair on him because obviously, you know, we're talking about scoring a winner in a competitive game. But for his quality and his obvious talent, he's kind of shitted out his career.

31:46Jim Campbell: Yeah, I think... Through poor, like, poor decision making. Yeah, bad moves maybe. I think it's quite, the Atletico move was not a good fit for his talent. I think he's quite inconsistent, isn't he? And I think, I suspect, he's a really aesthetically pleasing player. but that actually sometimes makes him look maybe a bit better than he is. I just think 26 years old and Al Nasser given the fact that he's almost like the transfer fees he's commanded the way he plays at his best he's so elegant he's kind of fucked it really.

32:16Luke Moore: Well I mean he loves playing with Cristiano Ronaldo who doesn't and of course when playing for Portugal you know he's going to be playing with Big Ronnie who started the game who thought he'd scored as well by the way well yeah he was a marginal offside that was I could watch that ref telling him he's coloured his hair to look young if you're familiar with it the Creed Bratton in the US office where he coloured his hair with the printer ink

32:43Jim Campbell: I think what we should do actually to get some views is talk about Cristiano Ronaldo and then what we'll do especially because we're talking about something where it hasn't quite gone well for him you might say it's a failure and then what will happen is the coolest people on the internet will flock to the comments and that'll feed the algorithm and he'll get loads of attention. They'll take 10 minutes off criticising Pete and get stuck into Ronaldo. Two great athletes. Two globe-straddling athletes.

33:08Luke Moore: And while they're there, they can also question why on earth did we bring up Mussolini's grandson playing for Lazio? Still going. Still going. That's still going. What I'd really pay for in terms of a subscription is for Portugal games is just a Gonçalo Ramos can. So that when the manager finally says to him, OK, get warmed up. Just the exhale. He came on a Mr. Chanson, didn't he? He's got to help himself. He does have to help himself. Yeah, I mean, Ronaldo, it's just... He's the ghost of football past. Yeah, he is. Everything he does, which doesn't quite happen, it's... The rage. We're used to the tantrums, but the tantrums back in the day were, you know, I've scored 800 goals this season.

33:52Luke Moore: How on earth has that happened? It must be the fault of the turf or something. And there's a degree of sympathy thinking. This man is just one of the most phenomenal footballers that has ever walked the planet. And like I said before, unfortunately, he pisses on his own legacy because he's such a div most of the time.

34:08Jim Campbell: Part of me, though, I'm impressed that he's still getting in the position.

34:11Luke Moore: Oh, no, but that's the thing. I think the goal was pretty, you know, good. He wasn't off by a huge amount. But his desire, his desire is one of the things that I actually oddly admire the most about the man. Is this not, this whole thing is a circus because he wants a thousand goals, right? Of course it is. but the point is is he what 970 or something like that he's not far away I think yeah so he'd probably make it then yeah just line up a load of friendlies with Lichtenstein and San Marino and Fairlight come on do it in Saudi we haven't got to worry about it we haven't got to pay attention to it oh fine but he you know again like for a 41 year old guy he's an absolute specimen and and and you know you talk about all that but the way his tantrums are now it's just mate you're just a little bit older so therefore you know it was not a bad effort on goal but don't like look at the turf as if oh well the groundsman's to blame on that again I'd like to watch that a million times that's my icky guy

35:03Jim Campbell: it's sand in the egg time though isn't it every time he misses a chance it's like oh I've only got so many of these left yeah yeah

35:10Luke Moore: let's be honest he's still going yeah I thought he won the world cups you know four years but the one he missed off his ankle from like six yards out was a bad miss but you know how much percentage of his brain, Luke, right now is going, can I play in the next one? Oh, I'd say, I would say majority of it. Oh, would you go majority? Because it's going to be in Portugal for a part of it as well. I think it's incredibly bad timing for, circumstantially bad timing for him. If it was the Euros, then probably 100%. Two years away, he's in. But I think... In fact, he probably will still. I think he'll look at the Euros and he'll fancy it.

35:50What he needs for him to carry on is enablers, right? So he needs enablers around him, like a manager who'll pick him, a Portuguese FA behind him. Do you think he's jealous of Messi in that kind of respect? Because the understanding of his court is built around him. Messi retired from international football about 40 times. It's one of the proudest moments in Chilean football history when they won the Copa America and retired Messi. They still talk about it now.

36:17Jim Campbell: And Pete, do we have any evidence that he's jealous of Messi? But I think also So it's a really big move to be the one who basically gets rid of... It reminds me a bit about when Steven Gerrard was at Liverpool. There was a period of time when his performances weren't great and people were talking about, would Kenny Dalglish, who came in for a period, would he be the one who could be able to do it because he's such a Liverpool legend, like King of the Cop and all the rest of it? With this, it takes a big, brave manager to come in, put a marker down, almost like when Steve McLaren did it with David Beckham, it kind of backfired.

36:51You've got to be careful.

36:52Luke Moore: But the Portuguese hierarchy in their federation, they know that Ronaldo brings in a lot of money for them. 100%. And, you know, in a country where... Which is also enabling him. Yeah, well, of course it is. But look, they did win the game, Portugal, with Ronaldo. Highlight for me, Marcus, was Ben Davies bursting the ball. Yeah, that was good. That's how you do it. Do you know what he... The chips come out. Yeah, there you are. I thought it was interesting the way that passage of play went, because it's down in Wales' half by the touchline. It was on Neto, wasn't it? Neto. Yeah. And he bursts the ball and he basically stops and goes, well, look, the ball's a bit knackered and they nip in and then it becomes obvious.

37:32Right.

37:32Luke Moore: And I thought, if that was just a slight burst. You tank it. Yeah. You would say, oh, well, I booted it into the goal so hard so that should stand. I thought, well, just knock it out of play. But no,

37:41Jim Campbell: I think that's just, it should just be in play until it goes out and then you get another ball. You're just kicking it.

37:46Luke Moore: Yeah. Yeah, keep it like, you know, make it a bit straight. Like the match in Bedknobs and Broomsticks. Yeah, why not? Exactly.

37:52Jim Campbell: It's the Nations League. Everything should go. What happens, Marcus, in Bedknobs and Broomsticks, for those of us not watching? Have you not seen Bedknobs and Broomsticks? I can't remember it, though. I was getting confused with Chitty Chitty Bang. Yeah, me too, yeah. But I remember that scene. There's a great football scene. I remember that scene.

38:07Luke Moore: Well, the ball bursts and they all just carry on. Carry on, yeah. Yeah, right. And it's on YouTube for you. It's a lovely, the reason I laugh is a lovely Marcus Speller-style quaint reference. Yeah, but I mean, that's a long time ago, Bedknobs and Bruins. Oh, of course it is. But Brennan Johnson must score a great goal, by the way. Yes. Lovely. Oh, my goodness. How did they not turn that in? Wales had their chances. They got on each other's way, didn't they? Yeah, Johnson sort of lifted it over the keeper and it hit the bar and then there was two players sort of queuing up. Well, Lewis Koumerts got the shot away.

38:35Luke Moore: Right. Eventually. Eventually. And Ruben Diaz brilliantly blocked it on the line. How that didn't go in for Wales. Wales should have scored in this game. I mean, there was, you see that sort of lack of quality if you like in the final third even though I think they've got some decent players but even right at the end of the game when Kiefer Moore charges down the wing and obviously you want him in the centre just a simple square to I think it was Brandon Shaw no it was Dan James who was on the other end and you know you've got a great chance and he just knocks it out of play and it's like I think Bellamy you know Bellamy said after the game I'm beyond proud we showed a big heart of his team's performance and I get that and now I'm off to Burnley no but I get that they're playing a superior opponent and it's away from home but honestly at the end of that game I thought Wales should have had a goal there they're in a position Wales where they've they're probably going to flip between B and A in the Nations League because they're probably they're not elite but they're good on their day but what's interesting I think is the group they've got in this Nations League is actually quite doable like Denmark and Norway yeah who played out a great game in Norway.

39:42But you have to look at home games against possibly all three of those teams and be like, we can win those. You think that against Norway? Well, I think Norway are a good side, of course, and they're top heavy and they've got some good players. But as we saw in the Denmark, I mean, I don't know if you guys saw it, but the Denmark game was basically life and death. It was like, end to end, it could have gone either way.

40:02Luke Moore: And also, a lot of those Wales players that have played against a lot of them at Premier League level, it's the same for both sides, of course, but it's a more familiar style of football, if you see what I mean. So I agree. I think, you know, the old cliche, make your home the fortress. Exactly. And see what you can do. But to be honest though, because the way the Nations League is set up, it's like there's a lot of teams in there, obviously, because it's all of Europe. So you do have, I mean, having said what I just said, so I was thinking about it, under a quite unfair challenge from Jim there.

40:28There are quite a few nations in the different groups in the A League, which, I mean, it's like, they aren't that good. I mean, I think one of them's got, that Germany-Neverlands group actually has got Greece and Serbia in it. it would be beatable as well.

40:42Luke Moore: Greece, they're on merit. They came up with England. They did. Absolutely. You can't... They won the first game as well. They beat Serbia. But the... Away from home. But the point I'm trying to make is there is an opportunity there if you're Welsh. They're not being drawn with Germany and Netherlands, which I think would be outrageously tough. I think so. So I think they do need to take heart from the fact they're very narrowly lost away from home against a good Portugal team. And if they can win their home games and finish in that top two, who knows? who bloody knows and Ireland lost 1-0 away to Kosovo less positive about Ireland yes their manager Hal Grimson summed it up by saying of Kosovo they deserve the win if I'm honest it was a day off for a lot of our players ah there's a problem yeah so you have a day off on a match day yeah you've messed it up there yeah old the Grimson Reaper not impressed by his team but there we are they fight another day and they've got another you know, 18 fixtures in this break to get it right.

41:41Luke Moore: Scotland versus Slovenia tomorrow at 2pm. Scotland will play their first game under their new manager Sebastian Pocagnoli. The Belgian is in charge. It's proper like Premier League streets won't forget players. Yes. A real one for the heads. Was he West Brom? He was West Brom for a bit, yeah. Was he? He was at Brighton for a bit as well. Ah, yes, of course. It would just be strange to see Jack's exact opinion. Here we are. it'll be strange not to see Steve Clarke in the dugout as it was when Gareth Southgate Jurassic Clarke Jurassic Clarke is gone

42:13Jim Campbell: he's finally gone really interesting choice of post he does move in herds Bocconioli because he did really well at Union Saint-Gilois yeah he won he won things yeah he did did very well obviously he didn't work out so well at Monaco but like he's a young coach and his stock is high it's very interesting to go into any international job at this point so I don't quite know what to expect here really

42:33Luke Moore: well Jim are you pleased that he's brought Oli McBurney back in the club oh yes He's a rascal. Yeah. He is a rascal. Five years away from the side. Do you think that... Didn't he say it was shit playing for the national team

42:43Jim Campbell: at one point as well?

42:44Luke Moore: I think the fact that he... I don't think Clark wants a rascal in the squad. He said, McBurnie said, I'll be eternally grateful to the manager for giving me the chance. I'm more determined to go out there and prove why I belong here. He's never scored a goal for Scotland. He's quite simply never scored a goal for Scotland. He's playing for a good side now, though. Now's his chance. He is playing for good side now. But he's not played for them since 2021, Marcus, as you say, which is an interesting comeback. That would be a lovely moment if he can get that goal. Yeah. There was, you know, obviously tactical pieces and whatnot, you know, suggesting how Pocagnoli's played before.

43:19Luke Moore: He likes a back three. He likes sort of a 3-4-2-1 kind of formation. And there are concerns that Ben Gannon-Doke, who obviously one of the bright sparks, a number of bright sparks in the Scotland side, may not fit perfectly into that system. but as you were saying about Morgan Rodgers I understand that there is a difference playing an inside kind of I think Morgan Rodgers would get on the Scotland side yeah but I well no he wouldn't because he's tied to England he can't so he's one man we definitely know he's not going to be playing you know I'm more likely to be playing but inside ten out wide Gannon Doak he's obviously more of a winger so I hope that he manages to accommodate him because he is one of Scotland's better players going forward and I just think I just think you know speaking of like England's disappointment from the summer and it angered me when I finally came around to international football mode again on on Wednesday that I had to talk about that fucking nonsense again Scotland's Scotland in a different way a lot of the fans will be feeling worse because they'll go we got to a World Cup amazing opportunity a great fucking occasion loads of others I mean I don't want to be strict with Scotland because for obvious reasons but lots of small nations had something to hang their hat on at least from that tournament and we fucking didn't and we showed in at least one of the games actually very poor ambition to the point where existentially we were saying I think at the time from memory what's the point of even qualifying?

44:50If you're going to play like that what's the point of qualifying? Some of the selections from Clark it made it clear that the game was up and you see how dowry he was for the whole thing.

44:57Luke Moore: That's just how he is. Yeah, it is but I think it was turbocharged. You go around to New Year's Eve Turbo dower. It's actually called Hogmanay in Scotland. As well. Yeah. They do accept New Year's Eve. So Pong Coglioli's got an opportunity to, it's a totally fresh start. He can put his own stamp on it. Like you say, he is an exciting young coach. I think it's quite an odd left field appointment. It is a little bit. But it's actually a positive one because they've not gone after a kind of old war horse from the Scottish Premiers or whatever. Do you know what I mean? Oh, David Moyes would have been an idol.

45:26Well, he's just not going to be valuable to them. I think they would have wanted him, but he's not valuable to them. So to me, it's a real opportunity and put your best foot forward in actually what is quite a winnable game and say this is how we're going to do it. So I'd like to see things coming out of the Scottish camp saying it's been great, it's been a breath of fresh air, it's been interesting. Because the way Clark ended, it was very stodgy, very predictable, very dour and they need to get away from that.

45:47Luke Moore: Yeah, no, all agreed. All agreed. Going back to Ollie McBurnie, if I may, he said in a recent interview with the BBC, he was talking about a Scarface tattoo that he has on his arm. he's got a tattoo of Al Pacino as Tony Montana and he says it's my favourite film I liked certain things about his personality certain things yeah yeah yeah he's supposed to be quite irredeemable call me a silly old naive sword well you've got a bed knobs and broomsticks tattoo haven't you I will do by the end of the day but you know you shouldn't be trying to be like

46:23Jim Campbell: Tony Montana

46:24Luke Moore: in any kind of way

46:26Jim Campbell: it's very much not the point It's very much not the point. It's like people who misunderstand Fight Club and think Tyler Durden is some sort of role model. Some sort of aspirational figure. At the very least you're going to get some kind of drug ban. Well, there you go. You must go for like a piss test and you've got 20-minute time.

46:41Luke Moore: I just really respect the guy. You're definitely getting one then. Well McBurney went on to say, I like the fact that he knew exactly what he wanted. He also said that. He wanted everyone to say hello to his little friend. Yeah, the full quote is amazing. I don't condone a lot of his methods which of his methods do you condone but you've missed a bit out because he says I like the fact he knew exactly what he wanted he's a psycho alright well I don't know what to say

47:05Jim Campbell: I don't condone a lot of his methods but he knew what he wanted and he did anything to get it so I think there's something that can be said for that have you seen say a lot of my little friend Barry Barry Bannon that's my little friend have you seen Alejandro Garnatro's back tattoo No, I bet it's poor. Heath Ledger is the Joker, and it's a full back tattoo. It's really something. To me, you notice a lot of that scientific study that says that a lot of young men's prefrontal cortexes aren't developed properly until they get to about 25, and it's actually quite outdated that a lot of men should be considered legal adults at like 18.

47:43There needs to be a lot of intervention on that stuff. The Garnaccio tattoo, that is a classic example of not being a fully developed brain. Has to be. Has to be. Send him my sympathy.

47:54Luke Moore: Let's hope Ollie McBurney fancies a goal because if he really wants it, Petey, he'll go and get it. I think given how turbocharged Tony Montana was as a character, he definitely would have scored at least one goal in 16 appearances for Scotland.

48:06Jim Campbell: Again, though, he's not getting past the drugs testing, is he? Probably not, no.

48:08Luke Moore: But didn't the owner of Hull, you know, he called him a rascal, but did he say he was lively as well? Something like that, yeah. It was a good quote. Yeah, it was a good quote. He is lively. He's a proper pest. He's a nuisance. Well, I'm just saying that McBurney has all the ingredients here to upset Slovenia. Who will be without their marksman, Benjamin Szeszko, who will be absent for Slovenia due to a recurring shin injury? So here we are. Scotland tomorrow. Is John McGinn playing? Big ass!

48:38Luke Moore: Nice. Great big ass! Nice. Great big ass! Yeah, it's a shame it's not on a Sunday, for obvious reasons. It's on the Saturday. Alright, coming up after this, Booz at the Football could be back. Chin chin.

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50:42Luke Moore: Welcome back to the Football Ramble, everybody. And welcome back. Drinking on the terraces, if Andy Burnham's got something to do with it. The Prime Minister of this fine country described a ban on fans being allowed to drink alcohol in the stands during men's games as discrimination, saying he didn't think it was fair for football fans to be singled out. Well, it must be a cheeky vimto. You have to have a cheeky vimto. Peter, do you feel discriminated against? I do, I think it's a disgrace. I knew Peter was trying to do this. As soon as I saw this story, I was like, this is Pete all over this.

51:12I mean, should you be making rules for 2026 from 1980, whatever it was? Yes. On a Thatcher. Oh, is it Thatcher? It's Thatcher. Thatcher. Thatcher. These are people with a drink.

51:23Luke Moore: You're starting to sound like one of them. Jimmy, are you for the band still?

51:27Jim Campbell: Well, I understand what Burnham's saying about... Why do you hate this country? You're making it sound like one of them. I actually like my Camden Hells. I understand what he's saying about the discrimination thing, right? But there's a difference in scale between football and other sports, right? Which means that, you know, you're just... The attendances are much higher in total. So there's a likelihood of more incidents. But I do actually kind of agree with what Pete's saying. I think... Which is not the manner. Yeah, has... I mean, basically, have people changed so much in that time that this will be less of an issue, I suspect yes.

52:04Jim Campbell: I think if there's a trial for this, it will actually probably be fine. Well, but this is it, isn't it? What you need to do is you need to trial it in a really, really contentious game. It's some sort of high stakes derby.

52:19Luke Moore: We just had Millwall West Ham. Exactly right.

52:20Jim Campbell: So you can't predict when these flashpoints are going to happen. So if you're going to do a pilot scheme, which is what they're talking about, you need to rile everyone up. But you know what though? Millwall West Ham. But what's the danger of doing it here is you can't conflate people not being able to drink in view of the pitch to people not drinking at football. Sure. People are already always pissed. Absolutely, yeah. And they overdrink beforehand because they can't drink for the football. And I feel like the under... Because we can all have our view on... I've seen a lot of people online talking about how it'll be annoying because people will be getting up all the time to go and get a beer and all the rest of it.

52:55And I think Jim's right to say that it will probably be a trial, won't it? It's like a pilot scheme in a section of the stand or something like that, some games. But to me, the fundamental issue is the principle of it. Like, A, it's a 40-year-old law, right?

53:10Luke Moore: Yeah, 1985. Yeah, and B, football fans, because of, you know, over, you know, trying to choose my words carefully here, but football fans, because of a certain impression they gave, in some cases, rightly so, during the 80s, under a Thatcher government, they have been discriminated against ever since, right? When compared to other sports. And it's not that helpful to compare between sports. But the reality is no other sports fans have been treated in this way. And therefore - But no other sports fans have behaved the way football fans is an argument, you know, immediately to - But there are so many more football fans than there are any other sport fans in this country.

53:50And therefore the problematic element of them will be bigger. In the 80s and the 70s and 80s, really, of course, it was a gigantic problem. were shocking, but there's a number of reasons for that. And no one's denying that. No, no, no, cool. What I am saying now is, it has to be, to me, it has to be rectified as a matter of principle because it's discriminatory against football fans and it's not been revisited and it should be revisited. Do you agree with Burnham? Totally should be revisited, absolutely, because they need to update it. They need to look at what, they need to provide some kind of law, whatever it looks like, that's relevant to modern life, at the very least.

54:23And therefore, you know, to me, anything beyond that's kind of academic. I know it could probably be annoying for people, but you know, you can go to the theatre and people are drinking and talking all the way through it. It's fucking annoying. Or the cinema or whatever. It's annoying. We don't ban people. No one says you can't drink a beer in view of a cinema screen or you can't drink a beer in a theatre. In fact, they used to have a ban, I think, at theatres to not drink alcohol at all during theatre performances and they got rid of that ages ago. Well, do you know what?

54:49Luke Moore: Actually, the IMAX though, the fancy ones, you're not allowed to leave your seats unless to the toilet. Sure. So they stop people doing that, I suppose. so you've got to get tanked up before you're in but that's what I've seen people do that I think the two worst alcohol-related incidents in terms of people over drinking I've ever seen going to football was one was on the way to Spurs a number of years ago where there was a guy who was so pissed he literally fell off the tube carriage and that's before the game started and the second one was in the Liverpool Everton semi-final of the FA Cup whatever year that was the other semi-final was Spurs Chelsea I forget the year and there were about four or five fans wandering up the ramp up towards Wembley Stadium before the game was anywhere near started.

55:32But this is... So pissed they couldn't find the stadium. When Newcastle won the Carabao Cup I was like the amount of like all boys were absolutely trolling and getting turfed out of Wembley before Newcastle won their first Carabao Cup in ages.

55:45Luke Moore: It's almost like the argument of pub times shutting you know if you extend the hours people go oh people are going to drink longer and so on well actually you get that less sort of binge drinky effect I suppose. No, and also if they really had the stones and the resources to improve behaviour at football matches, you'd have drug dogs at the door. You know what I mean? They do at Craven Cottage. Do they? Do they really? I evade them every time. You get helicoptered in, don't you? Because football is the drug and that is allowed.

56:12Jim Campbell: I think there's an argument, given that, as we mentioned earlier, if there are going to be flashpoints, they're very hard to predict. I think perhaps should there be a pilot scheme where drinking is mandatory for everybody? You have to have two bags and a half. You can't have an empty container at any point.

56:32Luke Moore: So you're going against the wanky rugby stuff. Everyone should be double-piled.

56:37Jim Campbell: Yeah, absolutely. At least. I mean, there's a lot of people around here that wouldn't notice the difference. Four words, well, five words in the least. Saint Pauli, dark fruits trend. And everyone has to pile up the dark fruits. Strong ball doing very well at that. I also think, you know, when I say that the ban should be lifted out of principle, I don't mean that, you know, it might not be a problem. I think there probably will be a few problems with it. But to me, it comes down to the right of people to be able to live their lives. And they shouldn't be discriminated against because they're football fans.

57:16I think it's up to the clubs and the stadiums probably individually to police it and have to work out how they're going to best do that. And you might even find that if there's regular issues, individual stadiums or clubs might decide to change things around. But a blanket ban, to me, feels... It just feels discriminatory. An out of date. Really out of date. Yeah, really out of date. And for every problem drinker, there's... I mean, I remember the story about... I don't know, we covered it on the show, but a number of years ago when Bromley got promoted. Obviously, they're in League 2 now. They're in League 1 now.

57:48They got promoted again. They're in League 1. but when they were a non-league team I used to go to Bromley a little bit and there were a load of old boys there who were pissed off at the idea of Bromley getting promoted because it's their social thing they go there

58:00Luke Moore: a few beers watch the game it's one of the things people like seeing the non-league side and there's plenty the vast majority of people who consume alcohol in this country aren't problem drinking well I think if someone's going to be a problem at a football match this is not going to have any kind of effect and you know it was described you know drinking alcohol in view of the pitch a major contributory factor in violent and disorderly behaviour. I'd be surprised if that was true. The facilities at stake, there's so many other reasons for it, so I agree that it's very, very outdated. In fact, maybe even the idea of it was a bit knee-jerky at a time when there was a lot of stuff going on, so I sort of appreciate that.

58:41Luke Moore: But I think that you're right, I think the people who would be against this idea, I think it is about that annoying potential annoying factor but that's no reason and the idea of you know like you see in box parks around the country people chucking their pints in the air well yeah I think the pints will be so bloody expensive I think people are not chucking this anyway that's the reality of it

59:00Jim Campbell: the problematic people at football these days are full of cocaine so you know also you do see measures that are taken with you said like a big like a Millwall West Ham game that was a lunchtime kickoff right because they want people to get totally tanked up and have loads of time to drink their day

59:15Luke Moore: there's always 12 on a Sunday now they are but But if you see a big derby like that, social media is full of clips of people just getting up really early and getting pissed. Because they just find a way. You've got to admire it in a way. People will find a way, yeah. By the way, can I also chuck in there that, I know you want to wrap up, but very, very quickly. You want to rack up? There we go. We all got to rack up. We're not in a stadium now. It's Friday. But don't forget, every single club pretty much, with a few exceptions outside the Premier League, are financially on the bones of their fucking arses, right?

59:47So it would be an opportunity to actually make some more money as well if people want to spend it. So that's also a good thing.

59:51Luke Moore: Right then, everybody. We've reached the end of today's show, but there is another show coming this afternoon. Jack's Encyclopedia is back. It's me versus Jim. Jim has enjoyed playing me so much and been gubbing me recently. He wants to play me again at a different game. So that will be available to listen to later today. Make sure to subscribe to the Football Ramble in your podcast app so that you do not miss it. How are you guys feeling about your form individually? Marcus has your form in? Dreadful. I'm in the bin. Jim. It started poorly haven't you this season? Jim has got his foot on my throat and I'm begging him to take it off but I don't think he will the bastard.

1:00:25Jim Campbell: I am only so confident but you know we'll see how much Marcus gets in his own head. Yeah. It's very much an undercard bout this isn't it? You're in the room now.

1:00:36Luke Moore: And once again you're not turning up. Feel free to run in me. Beneath you is it this one? I'm not saying that. We are. People have got to earn the right though Jim. Oh dear. Good to be battered by fish every week. Thanks for listening to The Football Ramble, part of the ACAST Creator Network. We'll see you later for Jack's Encyclopedia. Until then, thank you, Luke. Thank you. Thank you, Peter. Fare thee well. Thank you, Jim. Thank you. And thank you, Andy Vernon.

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