Thomas Tuchelitis

0:00I'm 45th generation Roman everybody. Welcome to the Football Ramble. Ugly scenes in Lisbon and Newcastle are up tonight. It's Wednesday 18th February. I'm Jim Campbell. And I'm Luke Moore.

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0:55Yeah. And I would be very surprised if loads of people listening and watching aren't the same. It's the best song to get you up for something if you're not quite feeling it. Along with, there's probably a top three in here, but I can think of two. Is it the streets specifically? that song specifically oh okay and the other one is Shipping Up to Boston by the Drunk King Murphy that's a brilliant song that gets you right absolutely I know the song you mean now yeah okay right put your suggestions in the comments on YouTube so if you're going to have a game of chess or something you play Shipping Up to Boston yeah absolutely listen to it between every move get your outfit on yeah exactly you're sitting opposite Magnus Carlson in an arena

1:38Porn Check Mate Boom Hour later It would improve chess As a viewing experience It would Yeah Well We can all agree on that For those who are not into chess It would improve it as a viewing experience For those who are into chess It would be a downright disgrace Yeah probably Quite a dramatic lowering of quality actually Remember the chess story About the vibrating balls up the bum Was that Magnus Carlsen himself? He was involved I think Yeah I'm not sure if it was him himself but yeah probably one for uncut I was about to say maybe more on that in uncut perhaps gentlemen let's start then with the roundup of the Champions League action sadly the big story came from Lisbon where Real Madrid beat Benfica 1-0 and the whole affair was overshadowed by allegations of racist abuse directed at Vinicius Junior who himself scored a brilliant goal and then the game was stopped when Vinicius Junior reported alleged racist abuse by Benfica player Gianluca Prestiani following the goal.

2:38Many of you would have seen this, a brilliant finish from... It was a beautiful goal. It was a fantastic goal. And then he celebrates in the corner. That annoyed some of the home fans. He got booked for those celebrations, which, if I'm honest, I understand why you might see that. We'll get to the real stuff in a second, if I may. I understand why, if any player celebrates, It's, you know, if you like, when they say in front, I mean, I suppose it was in front of other fans. You kind of think, oh, come on, blah, blah, blah. A few things were thrown, which there's no justification for that. There was stuff thrown all game though, weren't there?

3:14There was, yeah, there was. And off you went, I thought the yellow card for that celebration was a bit harsh, actually. Yeah, I agree. If I'm brutally honest with you. It isn't even a part of the wedge, let alone the thin end of it. You can not like a player doing that. Yes. But that doesn't mean it's a booking, does it? But that comes down to... Players celebrate in their own way all the time. So the protocol on that will come down to whether the referee assesses that it's endangering the crowd because of a surge and all that kind of stuff. So I don't know whether it was or not, but you have to wait for the referee's report to know why that was.

3:43Yeah, the game was a little bit feisty, obviously, before that. And then during all that, Vinicius Jr. and the celebrations of Benfica players didn't like it. It was a bit of a ruckus. and then the moment came when Prestiani when it was kind of dying down actually and it looked like the game was going to be soon to restart and he lifted up his shirt covered his mouth and Vinicius Junior says that he said something some racist abuse towards him and immediately reported it to the referee who stopped the game which is the protocol and then there was a lot of chat between players and coaches and managers and all the rest of it and it took a while for the game to restart hence there was 12 minutes of injury time at the end of the game.

4:27Jim, what are your thoughts on what you saw last night? Well, obviously it's just really disappointing that we're even having this conversation at all after what should have been essentially a blockbuster match between these two teams, having faced each other in the last round in such dramatic fashion rather than the last day of the group stage. This overshadows that completely. It makes it entirely about that really. Extremely avoidably so. Now, obviously, as Fedi Vilverde pointed out, Prestiani, when he says whatever it is he says, he covers his mouth. So we don't know and realistically, we'll never know what he actually said.

5:04Now, Prestiani is claiming that Vinicius misheard what he said. Again, we'll never know whether that's the case or not. But, you know, it's a convenient excuse, isn't it? It's a convenient way to obscure that. And Vinicius is obviously very upset by it. Some of the reaction to his reaction, I think has been really, really disappointing as well and kind of doesn't give this the gravity it deserves. And I just think it's kind of ridiculous that we're in a situation like this in 2026, you know. These things are by their nature, very, very difficult to prove. And for the reasons that Jim's touched on, and you have to put it against the background the fact that Vinicius Jr.

5:53has been kind of racially abused wherever he goes in Spain. He's followed him around and it's not been dealt with brilliantly by those in Spain. He's not felt that supported in terms of getting the support he needs. I'm of the opinion that people shouldn't be racially abused anywhere and they certainly shouldn't be racially abused at work and if they're alleging that's happened to the point where they, given they've just scored a brilliant goal and have put their team up in a really important game in the Champions League, they seem like they want to walk off the pitch and not play anymore. You should probably give them the benefit of the doubt and believe them and at least try and get to the bottom of what's happened.

6:34I would also say that it's tricky because there is a small chance, I don't know how small, but a small chance that Prestiani didn't say anything. And it was kind of misheard or whatever. But ultimately, I think given the context and given the fact that Prestiani covers his mouth. And he did it twice. Twice. I don't know if people saw that. During the celebration, the middle bit, he goes over, does it, and then it was the second time. And the covering of the mouth thing. That was in question. The covering of the mouth thing is a really tricky situation because it's tempting just to say, okay, if you cover your mouth, when you say anything to anyone during the football match it's a booking because we don't know what you're going to say we can't be lip read and all the rest of it that opens up a complete can of worms for anything because you're going to start to realise what players actually do say on the pitch in front of in front of in front of the world to watch but ultimately what it comes down to is you know UEFA need to investigate this thoroughly at the time of this recording they haven't investigated it they'll need time to do so I suspect they will it looks like the referee followed the protocol as best he could The problem with the UEFA-based protocol is that it seems to be set up mostly for fans behaving unacceptably and behaving in a racist manner.

7:51And there's like three steps to it. For those who don't know what it is, they stop the match. Announcement is made. If it continues, it stops again. And if it continues after a second restart, the referee can abandon the game. It looks like Vinicius Jr. has done exactly what he should have done. Sadly, he's got plenty of experience with this, which itself is unacceptable. and it needs to be investigated. We're in a tricky situation here as broadcasters because we're talking about this quite fresh after it's happened. We don't know the facts. As Jim said, we may never know the facts, but some investigation has to happen to come down on the balance of probabilities and to make a decision that needs to be made.

8:28And we should also mention that this isn't a court of law situation. It doesn't have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt by a jury of peers. It just needs to be investigated properly and it needs to be taken forward as best it can when the results are discovered. So I feel sorry for Vinicius Jr. I've felt sorry for him for years because of what he's had to put up with. It's not acceptable. No one should be racially abused, particularly not at their place of work. And hopefully they get to the bottom of it. Yeah, and as well, like the...

9:00All right, let's get into what Mourinho said. Yeah, because that was really disappointing. I think that's a new low for Mourinho, personally. Which is some effort. Well, indeed. He said that he felt Vinicius incited the crowd. Now, again, okay, okay. I didn't think he did particularly. Let's say he did. Yeah, it doesn't matter. So what? But that I'll never, if I may sort of give, you know, a more emotional response. And again, like we've all been there watching our teams and a player scores a goal and it's deflating and they celebrate maybe in a way to sort of... That provokes you. It can be a bit provocative.

9:38Now, personally, you know, I'm not the type to sort of start hurling abuse anyway, okay? No, I'm sorry. And I think a lot of people aren't, but you can be pissed off at a player for scoring and then maybe doing a somewhat, you deem somewhat provocative celebration, but your mind should not go, maybe I'll just pull the racist lever here. Yeah. Well, it just shows it's in there, doesn't it? Well, indeed, that is something that you can't, so when Mourinho said, well he felt Vinicius incited the crowd it is actually an irrelevant point because if it was a case of you know people he said I was unhappy with the crowd they were a little bit abusive towards me in a kind of more general way let the referee do with it indeed but Rino also said he wanted to remain independent on the issue as he was told different things well okay I have sympathy with that particular point but then he went to say that well hang on a minute I reminded Vinicius that the greatest legend or the main man in the history of this club is Eusebio.

10:36The Eusebio thing is essentially how can Benfica be racist? Some of our best friends are black. It's a ridiculous thing to say. We had a really good black player in the 60s, so we can't be racist. Again, no one's saying that Benfica is racist as an institution, right? It was that specific moment. So he's trying to cloud it. He's trying to distract, as we know. I mean, it's a bit rich for him saying that he had a celebration that incited the crowd, by the way. But anyway, that's... But that's not for him to care about anyway. No, exactly, exactly. If Mourinho wants to start throwing stones about people inciting crowds, he wants to get out of his glass house first.

11:10But the thing with that is that this is, we all know this about Jose Mourinho, he chooses his words carefully, so he doesn't care about being hypocritical, it's just what benefits him in the moment. And by doing that, he's not addressed this with the gravity it requires. He's essentially just done everything he can to defend Benfica, which completely, completely undermines the seriousness of this situation. And saying what he said about Vinicius and how this happens everywhere he goes as well. Wow. That is the most horrendous dog whistle because it's implying essentially that he's either kind of making it up or he should just accept it, neither of which is okay.

11:47I mean, you are at liberty to not like a football team. I mean, Thierry Henry said that on CBS last night. He said, look, let me say, I'm not a fan of Real Madrid. I don't like him, right? You are at liberty to not like a particular player. He winds me up, he pisses me off, whatever. whatever, but you're not at liberty to racially abuse someone. No, and I think the problem with Mourinho, and this is not meant to justify his words because I thought they were wrong and I think he should be punished for them, is that he takes the siege mentality for whenever he's managing a team to such a ridiculous degree that everything he says is to that end.

12:20Right. And this, yeah, this is a guy we did a, we did a special on Mourinho not that long ago for Amazon. And we talked about some of his, you know, wackiest moments clearly. And then we said this on the show, Clearly, some of his craziest moments are also deeply problematic. I mean, he's said problematic things and behaved in a problematic way pretty much everywhere he's been as a manager. And he's a deeply divisive character for this reason. He should be written up for this. I mean, he was sent off to the game anyway. I mean, you were saying probably because he doesn't want to be on the bench in the Burnham Palace.

12:53So he was already punished because of his behaviour on the game itself. Look, I think, like I said, it needs to be investigated. Mourinho threw fuel on the fire. That's what he does. Hopefully, UEFA should investigate him as well in his comments because they're pretty quick to investigate pretty much everything when they feel like it. You know, sometimes, particularly when it comes to sort of criticising referees or allegations of kind of cheating or whatever it may be, they need to step up and do it here. They've got stuff all over their website about being an inclusive kind of anti-racist kind of organisation.

13:23They need to show it. You said something in a different context at the start of the week about how people need to back up what they say. And this is another example of that. I would also say, look, we're going to talk about context here and we're going to talk about the fact that Vinicius has suffered this throughout his career in an unacceptable fashion. We also need to talk about the context around Argentinian football as well. I mean, Prestiani's an Argentinian player. They've had their own deeply, deeply troubling incidents when it comes to this type of thing. Maybe that's relevant, maybe it isn't, but it still needs to be seen in the round and seen in the context of it.

13:55and I think maybe if we saw this happen again they might need to do something severe like stop players you know the same way they sort of if you wave for a card you get a card but if you start talking behind your hand or put your shirt over your mouth it's a card I think definitely during the play I understand at the end of the game if two players are talking he might be asking him about you know one player might be asking about a family issue or something like that I understand that private conversations don't have a private conversation on a football pitch would be my response to that. You're getting paid well, the cameras are there, you know what's going on.

14:28But I suppose the argument against that is it's unlikely if you are having a private conversation about family matters, something that someone's going to take incredible offence to it. It doesn't matter though, Marcus. It's about safeguarding people's wellbeing. And you can, you know, I don't think it's a defence, with respect to you, I don't think it's a defence to say, well, I just asked him about his family so I want to put my shirt out of my mouth. I don't want to be lip read. Do it in the tunnel. There are places still protected from cameras and rightly so within the sport. You know, I go back this time and time again.

14:58You know, when Steven Gerrard was crying at Sellers Park and saying he didn't want to be filmed, it's tough shit. You know, go in the dressing room if you don't want to be filmed. You're in your kit. You're playing. You're doing your job. You take all the stuff that comes along with it. You have to understand that there's a price to be paid for that. It may well be, I'm not saying it is, the investigation needs to happen, but it may well be that pulling your shirt over your mouth to say something while you're on a football pitch is no longer going to be acceptable. either that or they mic the players up the thing about this is it's easily solvable but it does open a big can of worms it depends what their priorities are and they've told us what they said their priorities are we just need to see whether they back that up with action and if I may add on to that which when you say I kind of think well yeah because again private conversations can be had but also no one covers their mouth and I understand I've got to be a bit careful here no one covers their mouth if they're going to call someone a prick do you know what I mean look at that footage that you've probably seen during the rounds of Liam Rosinha when he was manager in France he's shouting at the fan I assume it is and he's like every week you're saying this and he goes and he walks up he's a prick like that he didn't cover his mouth to say that do you know why because he ultimately doesn't really care if everyone in that stadium knows that Liam Rosinha thinks that guy's a prick why are you covering your mouth and I think that sometimes it is trial and error but you kind of, as you go, you have to adapt.

16:25Mic them up then. You haven't got to broadcast it live. Just mic them up. They mic the referees up and they mic the vase up and the assistant referees up. It's no big deal. It's not difficult these days. Yeah, yeah. The only thing that I thought that maybe, if you will, like a teensy little, positive might not even be the right word, but a hope that it gives me perhaps is that if any footballer now thinks, you know what? I might try it on and say something. You saw the severity of what happened. And what was good is they did follow the protocol. It's a shame that we have to have a protocol. I get all that.

17:04But a number of years ago, nothing would have been done. We wouldn't be talking about this because maybe a player would have mentioned it on social media after the game or something. And you kind of go, the world saw that something happened, the game stopped. That should be... Well, that needs to be backed up, Marcus. That's the first step towards what everyone who runs the game or runs this competition says they're going to do. The follow-up, the backup to it needs to be a thorough investigation. And if they can't prove it, they can't prove it, but they need to show willing to investigate it.

17:37And if it continues, they need to put things in place to mitigate people being able to get away with it if they're doing it. Yeah, absolutely. I suppose we should mention the game itself, actually. I mean, ultimately, you know, a win for Real Madrid. And it was a shame because, like I said, it was a little bit feisty before that, but there was certainly a lot in it. There were chances, there were moments. Yeah, Real Madrid should have really been out of sight at half-time. They had a lot of chances. They were busy. They were the better side, for sure. Two very good goalkeeping performances. Yeah, it was.

18:07Benfica actually started quite well, didn't they? It looked like they were really going to take the game to Madrid, but after about 10 minutes, they just wrestled it back. Real Madrid were a better side. There's no question about that. And I think they seemed to have a bit of a bee in their bonnet about the goalkeeper goal back in the group stage as well. And, you know, it's going to be very difficult now for Benfica to go to the Bernabeu and get a result. You know, the statistics speak for themselves. You know, if you lose a home game in the first leg, it's very tough for you, particularly against a team of that quality.

18:34So, yeah, it was a decent game, I thought. I mean, the whole thing was, the whole second half thing was overshadowed. But the first half, I thought Real Madrid really should have been out of sight. And they cut quite frustrated figures towards the end of the first half because they couldn't get the goal they needed. you'd expect them to progress yeah I mean after I read before the game Jose Mourinho hasn't won a Champions League knockout tie in 12 years which obviously has continued and you would think having won the away leg 1-0 the chances of Real Madrid not going through are very very slim now very very slim indeed the chances of Jose Mourinho being Real Madrid manager at some point are probably very very slim he won't even be the manager in the away game because he's not allowed but if he's up in the stands as we expect him to be sat next to Florentino Perez he may offer himself he may not I don't know well I would imagine what will probably happen is Florentino Perez will be the type of character he is will be so disappointed with Mourinho's comments after this incident he'll hire him that he won't want to touch him I won't want to be seen near you thank you Jose Mourinho will probably poke him in the eye here we are you see and the cycle continues but former Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp continues to be linked to the Real Madrid job this summer which yeah other than the fact that Real Madrid are high profile and Jurgen Klopp is high profile.

19:48Beyond that, it makes no sense. Yes. He's not the type of character that is going to thrive in an environment like Madrid. He is someone who has a very specific system. We've seen with Javi Alonso, they don't have the patience for that. Yeah, but Trent's there now. Yeah, I suppose Trent's there now. Maybe he's the key figure. I've got a human shield. I've got Trent in me, it'll be fine. It'll suck up all the negative press. It's been good to see Alexander Odom playing for him. Because he's had his injury troubles. He did have a good game. I watched them actually when they played Real Sociedad.

20:17the other week and he whipped in a lovely ball I think it was for the first Real Madrid goal and I was a bit like oh yeah it's a World Cup year isn't it more on that later perhaps hopefully not but hey no I'm allowed to say that if I want it's not a dictatorship anymore no it's not anymore yeah right well I'll count out the votes and we'll see who wins now you and Klopp did you see old Klopp recently posted a photo of himself on Instagram dressed as a cowboy Sorry, Old Clopper. Old Clopper. Are we doing that now? Yeah. Old Clopper, fair enough. You're talking to me now, Jim. Did you enjoy his cowboy hat and his tash?

20:56Yeah, especially because it's a lovely director position of him being linked with the Real Madrid job. You can see what a brilliant time he's having, loads of time off, dressing up like a cowboy, going to some festival in Mainz that's apparently a month long. He's not going to take that job, is he? That's his way of saying, I don't want it. It was fancy dress. He was doing Kevin Costner in Yellowstone, wasn't he? A lot of people pointed out he also looked a bit like Walter White with the moustache I thought he looked great by the way Oh he does doesn't he? Yeah I thought he looked great Yeah and Boris Becker replied to the post saying Yellowstone the best series on TV Stay away from Boris Deeply traumatic character in my view Yes Do you agree with him on this?

21:32Have you seen Yellowstone? Haven't seen it? Haven't seen it No I haven't I couldn't tell you People rave about it though Couldn't tell you what it's like I'm afraid Well speaking of bells Jurgen Klopp rang one for the final lap at the men's biathlon relay at the Winter Olympics Yeah, he was so excited. He really was. And I love this about Klopp. When asked about skiing and whatnot, he said, I'm a fan of everything. I love all alpine skiing. I love cross-country skiing disciplines. I love biathlon. It's all just exciting. And he also loves the legendary Norwegian, former biathlete Ole Aina Bjorn Dallon.

22:03And he got to meet him once. And I love this. He said, in England, they have no idea what biathlon is. It's like meeting Muhammad Ali in boxing. Bjorn Dallon is biathlon. I try to explain it to the English. he is Franz Beckenbauer Pele and Bobby Moore in one person I just love his enthusiasm yeah absolutely so Bjorn Darn is an absolute legend in that discipline evidently he's the all time greatest biathlete nicknamed the cannibal wow because apparently he used to just eat up all his other competitors nice and the people who these cross country skiers slash biathletes their fitness levels are unbelievably good just the the Winter Olympics in general is so much fun it's great fun the kind of the athleticism as you say is so so impressive but also like how do you learn that you can do the big air where do you practice that it's like that one in particular I saw a bit of it the other night the snow's falling down it looks really really picturesque that feeling where they flip up in mid air and hold their own skis to sort of direct themselves for landing it's just the coolest thing in the world it's amazing the clopper loves it because he grew up in the black forest right it's a big part of it but you know the thing that blew my mind about the Winter Olympics.

23:13I can't remember his name, but that cross-country skier. Eddie the Eagle? And it was cross-country skier, Marcus, not ski jumper. Not failed ski jumper. I thought I'd have a go. Get involved. This cross-country skier was reported widely in the Main Street Press that was so ridiculous. He skied, he did a sub-six-minute mile uphill in skis. What? No, he didn't. He did. Didn't he do it? He did. He did, man. Honestly, it was widely reported. he clocked an under six minute mile uphill in skis but that's how fit they are legs are like torpedoes yeah and there's that guy have you heard of a guy called Kylian Jornet so Kylian Jornet I think he's French but he's the greatest long distance cross country runner in history it's not even close like they'll do these races where they'll run across the island of Madeira or something and the record will be like nine hours and he'll beat it by like three hours six minutes yeah he's amazing and he puts that success down to the fact that in the summer he does all these long distance runs but in the winter he decamps to the Alps and he cross country skis all winter and it gets his fitness so high to get him prepared for these long distance runs there's an amazing there's an amazing book he wrote called Run or Die which I've read about how he does what he does it's just incredible the stuff he gets up to he does these races through the mountains doesn't take any water with him he just drinks from streams and eats berries and stuff wow yeah it's crazy crazy well how about Johannes Hossflot Clabo was the six minute mile man there you go thanks guys stuck it in the run well it's enjoyable to see Klopp ringing bells I don't think we're going to see him in the Real Madrid dugout any time soon and rightly so and rightly so yes because he's Red Bull's man exactly he's a purist can he get involved in the Red Bull what are they called the wacky races or something yeah yeah the soapbox get involved we can't do any more on that because we are a Carabao family in this house.

25:11Yeah, of course. We are. Well, Monster as well. Yeah. Because Pete... Neither of them give us any money, they're fucking bastards. No. Sponsor us. Yeah. The most we got was two cases of Carabell. No one drank it. Did we get that? Yeah. Pete glows in the dark and they won't send us any money. Yeah, I know. Exactly. He bleeds, Monster. Oh, dear. Right, coming up after this, a seven-goal thriller in Istanbul.

25:53Well, back to the football ramble, everybody. Oh, hang on. Before we get on to that Champions League business in Turkey, or Turkey, we've got an email from Mark. Hi, Ramblers. Yesterday, we were celebrating Chinese New Year in my household. Congratulations. Many happy returns. as you'll most likely know every year is linked to one of 12 animals you may be less aware that there is another layer to this of five elements wood, fire, earth, metal and water meaning that the full cycle runs every 60 years this is the year of the fire horse nice that now I can't wait for it it's the year of the metal chicken that would be good or the rubber duck don't laugh Jim it's disrespectful rubber's not one of them no rubber's not an element no It was in my house.

26:42The last time this happened with the Fire Horse was, of course, 60 years ago, which was 1966. Great year for English football. Eric Kensington always born. Given the strong Chinese belief in luck and superstition, there's only one logical conclusion from this. It's coming home. It's coming home! Yep. You're welcome, Marcus. Thank you, Mark. I apologise to the rest of you in advance for setting him off. Well, you did apologise in advance. you apologise afterwards we've got no warning whatsoever to be fair Mark couldn't have known that Marcus would already have been set off by that or actually no he could have yeah so we don't accept your apology Mark look what you've done I'm such a dick for getting excited in a World Cup year in February yeah and it's not like you just started you just started to get excited you've been doing it for years for years you have been doing it for years on the last show you were excited about the next Euros no the one after that yeah and the one before that you got excited because Tuchel saw a new deal and it was near the Nations League draw I reminded everyone that the 2032 euros were in Italy and Turquia.

27:43Yeah. That was all. And you were very excited about it. But you missed the trick there because I was excited for the Nations League, Jim. Sorry. Sorry. I'm intrigued by the fire horse. A little while ago, Daniel Farker described his management style as 95 % coffee and cake on the sofa and 5 % fire beast. Which is an amazing thing to say by yourself. That's your Tinder profile. Yeah, yeah. I don't have a Tinder profile. Happily in a relationship. If you're listening, Greg. you have to say that because you'll get bombarded you are indeed as you were saying before the show because I've been married for 10 years I do have a Tinder black bar it's exactly that but it could mean a good year for Daniel Farker which so far it's proving to be so would you would you like England to win the World Cup or Daniel Farker to have generally a good year I don't see why I can't have both yeah fair enough fair enough that wasn't the question though now back to the Champions League Galatasaray 5 Juventus 2 they got gubbed the team from Turin how about that they were winning 2-1 at half time or all Juve.

28:37But yeah, amazing, amazing experience watching this because although I am adjacent to European football by being, you know, a fan of OTC and listening to the guys on that, like, so I know a bit about Juventus' travails. Watching this, it was like, fucking, they are shit. I only recognise like half their players and they're quite bad. And this game was remarkable because they went ahead and then they completely imploded to the point where at one point it was 3-2 and you think okay at Galatasaray 3-2 defeat isn't terrible taken back to your place it just completely shat the bed the goal they gave away after that was a disgrace it was like walked in the net and they can see it in the fifth late on Victor Ossiman robbing Lloyd Kelly Lloyd Kelly at Juventus is a strange one 27 year old Lloyd Kelly starting Champions League games for Juventus it's really really weird I mean obviously they get a man sent off when they're 3-2 down but I really like that Galatasaray press that advantage home because so often in games like this teams don't do it they kind of flirt with the idea of it and then they kind of decide to have what they hold a bit but none of that from Galatasaray they really really press their advantage well they never scored five in the Champions League before and Juventus had never conceded five in the Champions League before there you go so there you are it shows you how good they've been and over the years by the way on the Lloyd Kelly thing I'm not criticising him as an individual as a player because I mean he's great good for him playing for Juventus starting in the Champions League but the career arc is strange Very old.

30:05And you have to say that Juventus, this has to be a certain profile of Juventus era for Lloyd Kelly to be starting games for the Champions League. I think it's fair to say that. Well, he went on loan initially from Newcastle United. He couldn't really get going at Newcastle, could he? He signed for how? But he loved the kit. He did well at Bournemouth, didn't he? So what did he do? Yeah, he did. The Juventus kit last night was great. I'm not really somebody who gets excited about kits, but it was a super classic plain black Adidas Trefoil. look it's been a great move for him he's playing the Champions League and now he's hanging with Mr Coop Miners so good luck to him I say really tortured and also not even a reference that many people are going to get I mean I get it because I spend so much time with you and Jim probably gets it and you are the crowd I'm playing to leave love me and I didn't even like it that much yeah two great goals from him though oh yeah absolutely the second one particularly beauty left foot smash into the top bin he's a goal man now let's move on to back on board now let's move on to the all French affair we can call Monaco French can't we yeah you say all French affair but it's not as sexy I'm hoping when you preface it like that I hope there's going to be some sort of steaminess involved this didn't involve any French presidents to my knowledge but Monaco 2 PSG 3 was the final score now we all have these moments where you go oh I missed that transfer Valt Fass yeah plays from Monaco yeah what oh you're doing Valt Fass things absolutely yeah People forget that Monaco is the option where Saudi's a bit like, no, no, no, no, no.

31:39Turkey, Turkey. Monaco is that lovely little option. Yeah, it is. It's like you and Sir Jim say the same. Absolutely. I love that. Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? It's right there as an option. Jim, absolute deep dive yesterday on how bad it is that Jim Rack has said what he said while being a Monaco tax exile. Fast forward 24 hours. It's a lovely little option, though. It's a lovely option. I'm thinking of Eric Dyer. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking of. Always, always, always. But yeah, this is... Valtfast did his special... For those who didn't see this, Valtfast, formerly of the relegated and now in dire straits Leicester, did a proper Valtfast special move, which is basically the ball's coming to me in a kind of 50-50 situation.

32:19I'm going to lose that ball. I'm then going to be beaten on the turn, then beaten for pace, and I'm going to have no option but to drag the guy down in the penalty area. I'm not going to do it outside the penalty area. No, no, no. I'll wait till we get in there, drag him down, and give away a penalty. Luckily for him, the penalty was actually missed anyway. It was, but watching him watch the penalty be taken was really funny because he looked like someone who'd made a, essentially made a big mistake because he has. Yeah. Trying to hide a little bit, like just sort of like, oh, that's a... With that hair.

32:47He's running out to take that now, is he? That's... Oh, he's missed. Okay, good. Thank God for that. But I mean, yeah, this was a really silly game from Monaco's point of view, wasn't it? Because they go 2-0 up, race into a lead, PSG missed a penalty, Dembele goes off injured. It's looking like an absolute disaster for PSG. Yeah, true, indeed. And I guess that's the problem, isn't it, when they've got the depth that they have. Basically, Desiree Dwayne in this game was like Ripley in Aliens. Just doing it all in himself. Absolutely. Taking the whole thing on. Rescue a kid on the way. Stay away from her, you bitch.

33:19Yeah. And thanks very much for a 3-2 win. The stunning thing in this game that we haven't mentioned, of course, you alluded to it there, is PSG started this game so badly. It's unbelievable. Monaco scored in the first minute the goal was Balogun heads it from about four yards out there's another player unmarked waiting to take care of it if he doesn't fancy it you get the impression with PSG particularly in these rounds of the Champions League they're just yeah whatever bearing in mind the year that they won it where they were undoubtedly the best side in Europe they had to go through that playoff round it's ridiculous that they're there again I know they hammered Brest in that playoff game 7-0 wasn't it I think it was all in aggregate something like that yeah but the fact is I think they won 10 in an aggregate I think they won one of the games 7-0 oh right yeah so yeah that destroyed them but the fact is they still had to play because they were unconvincing in the first phase of the competition and here you go and you think oh blimey they'll be alright yeah you know they'll go far until they come up against Igor Tudor's Spurs then they'll struggle yeah well they struggled well they didn't they couldn't beat them of course in the Super Cup final needed pens they did so yes people forget so quickly how close Thomas Frank came to a major trophy at Spurs European trophy European trophy another European trophy ultimately they didn't win it they did not win it they did not win it right coming up after this Richard Keyes declares himself a good guy

34:58more Chapman's League action tonight Carabaig hosts Newcastle United this evening at 5.45pm Greenwich meantime the 2 ,529 mile journey another win for Britain yeah we're doing it you're doing it on our time aren't you eh

35:18I'll tell you what say what you like about the Brits but we standardise a lot of stuff national shop keepers Napoleon said yeah oh dear yeah so 2 ,500 mile journey to back who was the furthest distance ever travelled by an English side in the Champions League. You'll never see that. Not ideal. So what's the weather going to be like? Tops off? Taps off for the Jordan? That's always the case, isn't it? Yeah, well, they might struggle. I'm saying, you know, there's the sensible, there's the accepted tops off, then there's the extra mile that they often go. Yeah, then there's the life-threatening tops off.

35:51Yes, please put them back on. So it will be, it'll be about, it's not going to be too bad. Oh, is it not? It'll be about six degrees Celsius. Oh, you're fine. yeah it won't be too bad don't even pack a top take your kecks off as well we're still playing the game tomorrow yeah would have been a couple of degrees warmer even still but there you go okay that's life try and get the kickoff delayed yeah and get your shorts on Eddie Howe said we want to turn these moments into history and into moments people talk about for a long time and the Saudi owners said we want to turn you into history boy oh hey that's what they might have thought do you think nah I don't know as Jim said the other day they're not interested are they I don't think they are I don't think they care they're still in the Champions League they're still alive I think they checked the results.

36:29Probably. Yeah, probably. First in the morning, get a coffee, BBC website. Yeah, all right, they got beat again. Or just maybe on the phone in the morning when you wake up. Yeah, just check it out, yeah. Maybe someone tells them. Carabaug, of course, not too shabby at home this season in the Champions League. So it's not going to be an easy affair. Chelsea drew two all there, of course, earlier on in the competition. But Newcastle surely favourites, Jim. Yeah, and obviously, you know, we saw Liverpool thump them 6-0 at Anfield. Obviously going to be very different at their place. And they've given a really good account of themselves, haven't they, Carabaug?

36:56they've been one of the interesting stories of the Champions League season so far because of them Jose Mourinho now manages Benfica well indeed indeed but yeah I think that is harsh on Carabag I don't know I think that's a badge of honour isn't it unless they're only away winning the competition they're a bit of a homer side aren't they and they had to come through quite a decent amount of qualification to get here as well I think they won all but one of their qualification games as well yeah they are very much there on merit aren't they I think Newcastle will be too strong for them this will obviously you'd expect this to be the fixture in which Carabaug are going to absolutely go for it through everything they've got at it.

37:32But, you know, I think Newcastle are going to have too much. Yes. And of course, after that win against Aston Villa as well, you felt that the spirits were lifted from that performance and that victory. And it's been a funny season for Newcastle in terms of that kind of spirit, hasn't it? Because they have been quite inconsistent. They've been quite unlucky with injuries as well. They keep kind of popping up at awkward times. And their league form kind of isn't what they would hope it would have been. the summer was ridiculous because of the Alexander Izak situation they've taken a while to get Jan Visser on the pitch there's been a lot of stuff that I think if you're a Newcastle fan it might feel like this season's never really properly got going so as you say that win is going to be very very welcome yeah and staying with that FA Cup tie that happened last weekend referee Chris Kavanagh has been dropped from this week's Premier League programme after his performance in that Newcastle victory at Aston Villa this is what I want to see on that fucking mic'd up show like give us this live like just I want to hear this conversation with Michael Owen and Howard Webb just turning up to Chris Kavanagh's house doorstepping him going that was ridiculous like Danny Baker the Das Doorstep Challenge exactly yeah but instead of bringing out the washing detergent the laundry detergent they bring out a red card and say you're set off in next week's games in advance actually thanks very much no we don't want to come in with a cup of tea got the car running we're going again so you'd like to see that would you put your feet up this weekend you're doing nothing hopefully he'll be refereeing somewhere why keep his eye on the game he gets chucked down at the championship oh by the way mate no I didn't mean that I meant even if it's a sad thing recreational game something like that history old boys your team not anymore sadly I'm too old for the old boys but would they like you back if you turned up with Chris Kavanagh I think they'd love it yeah they'd love to see me and whoever I'm with I just don't want to pick you Chris Kavanagh Sir Jim Ratcliffe anyone is it not suspicious if someone brings their own ref though I didn't see the press release it said that you've retired from history old boys when did that happen well I don't want to keep it quiet I didn't want to derail their season did they say you're not welcome anymore no I said that I think it's best leave the football before the football leaves you I'll go quietly in the night that sounds creepy no I'm always there if they need me but evidently they don't need me That phone ain't ringing.

39:53It has not rung once. Oh, dear. Right, then. Premier League tonight, Jim Campbell. Wolverhampton Wanderers versus Arsenal. Wolves have lost just three of their last ten games in all competition. So, improvement. Jim, I love the fact that Arsenal's reward for not needing the playoff game in the Champions League. They have another Premier League game instead. You're not having a week off. Bang, there you go. In you go. But, of course, Manchester City, only four points behind Arsenal. Ooh. that's what the media are trying to well absolutely and you are part of the media clearly but I'm the one who's trying to hold the what would they be called the the ghost the ghouly ghost well you were making ghostly noises there I know I'm saying that that's what the media are doing and now Jim I'm going to come to your aid yet again what a friendlier to you I have done a lot very confusing I have done a lot of hard work for Arsenal fans this season yeah and I hope that you recognise that I was lauded on social media not that long ago for something I said so well done to me we've got time for this we've definitely got time for this we've got it for the rest of the season haven't we because it's all based on you predicting ourselves to win the league exactly I was lauded this week yeah and well done to me what are you doing I'm just having a lull I'm having a lull is what I'm doing sorry for the bollocks everybody the best outcome for tonight's game Jim's not going to agree with this I make no apology for that the best outcome for tonight's game would be Wolves winning the football match I actually don't agree of course you don't I wouldn't expect you to but you know the reason why well because you want Man City to win the league no because I think I would like it to be exciting right okay is it not already exciting not enough it's about a 6 at the moment I'll need it up to at least an 8 okay but we are only in Feb I know Marcus you've been predicting things about the league table since about fucking October don't tell me what have I been predicting every show we did in October pretty much you were like oh so and so only four points off the Champions League places I'm just only reading the table in front of me and people don't pay for that do they not no they want to hear analysis and insight and potentially a little lull here and there well I think I'd give them that and there's another one tell me why it would be terrible for Arsenal to lose this game I don't need to it'd be obvious to everybody who understands anything about football that that would be a terrible thing for Arsenal to lose this game tonight but what I was going to say was the game at the Emirates was a really poor performance from Arsenal and Wolves defended really really doggedly eventually Arsenal got it done but only after conceding a late equaliser and then having to get a kind of instant return via the prolific own goal to win the game late on and I don't think given the situation that Wolves are in that they'll be too proud to do the same thing at home so I imagine it will be a very kind of similar pattern to a lot of games that Arsenal will face this season where they are essentially just attacking a giant defence and they've been better under Edwards since that.

42:50As you mentioned at the top markers, they've lost just three of the last ten games. So I think this does have the potential to be tricky and it sounds silly to say that when you're looking at top against bottom but it is going to be that pattern again. So it's just going to be about Arsenal essentially trying to force their way through that. And this is what I mean when I say that I've done Arsenal fans a good service here because you're sort of saying for your service. You're sort of saying, Jim, that oh yeah, but it's going to be tricky. I mean, if Wolves beat Arsenal, they will double the amount of games they've won in the Premier League this season.

43:19Oh, absolutely. Arsenal should win, absolutely. Of course they should. Give them a shoo-in. What I'm saying is it's not necessarily immediately definitely going to be the case that it will be comfortable and simple. Fine. But with Bakaya Saka having signed a new five-year contract with Arsenal, will that put a bit more wind in his sails, Luke Moore? Makes him the highest paid player at the club. Does he need more wind in his sails, Saka? I think he probably does, doesn't he? I think he does this year. I think if you look at it To woke up you Oh God I think it's an illness I think it might be an illness You know like people who can't stop doing puns after a while you're like oh yeah this is something to do with your brain it's not a choice I think you might have Thomas Tukorettes Love that Not bad that I thought about it on the spot that Do you know why?

44:04Because you got involved Just as long as you're involved As long as you're involved Saka's numbers aren't great are they? Not this season They're not great and I think his numbers from open play actually even worse and that doesn't mean he's not a good player. It doesn't mean he's not someone who they should tie down which clearly he's a very talismanic player for them and clearly it's very good when a star player ties themselves down to a new contract at the club that they grew up at. That's kind of obvious. I was kind of interested in the pre-promotional work that Arteta's been doing around the North London derby.

44:37I found it a bit of an odd approach because he's talked quite a lot about injuries to the point where he's tried to make it the thing is if you think of say a political campaign right there's certain things you're good on and there's certain things you're not good on and you don't want to take the conversations to those types of places if you're a kind of you know if you're a Tory MP or whatever you don't want to be talking about If you only speak about immigration Yeah exactly but the one area that Arteta probably shouldn't be taking this discussion into ahead of the North London derby is injuries Why's that?

45:07Because Spurs have got catastrophic injuries but maybe that's why so many more But does that matter? really? Because it's not a comparison. You're going to defend whatever he says. No, no, no. But that's not true because he's only talking about his own team, isn't he? He can only pick his own team. Of course, but the comparison he's making or the comparison he's implying to the point where he's saying we need to even look at our warm-ups because our injuries are so bad. They're not bad. Their injuries aren't that bad. They've got players out commensurate with the stage of the season they're out and the amount of games they've played.

45:37And Spurs have three times the amount of injuries. Sure, they do. But again, And he's being asked directly about players being injured in warm-ups when he's making those comments. And also, I think in terms of days lost to injury, Arsenal were right up there this season, in terms of the unavailability of players, like I say, in terms of days lost to injury. And obviously that's because you've had players like Kai Havertz who only just come back and miss loads of the season, etc. So there are factors at play there. Injuries have been very consistent for Arsenal this season. That's the same for every club.

46:05Of course it is. But I think he's only talking about his own club there, isn't he? I don't think he's actually... I think it's a mind game. I think it might be. And the reason why I think it's a mind game is because old Igor Tudor has just turned up. A lot of injury chat. Arteta's already trying to own the injury narrative. The thing about Tudor is that he's massive. He's bald. He's got a beard. And that makes it like, okay, he might be good. That sets my antenna going. Really? No, I think it'll be terrible. But I think the antenna's saying it might be good. All I'm saying is, I know Arteta's not going to say this, but ultimately, Arsenal are roughly 48 million times better than Spurs.

46:40and should essentially walk all over them on Sunday without even noticing because they're that bad. And I just thought it was odd. But if he's been asked directly about it, it's fine. Yeah, it's the third time this season a player's been injured in a warm-up, which is odd, right? It's not the first time that I've tried to have a little pop at the King and his court jesters defended him, whatever happens. So I'm not that surprised in the response. I just thought it was an interesting discussion. Sure, even though you agreed with the response. So, well, listen. This is where we are. As Marcus says, as long as I'm involved, we'll have mine.

47:10Exactly. I'm going to the North London Derby, by the way. I think Arsenal will win this game tonight. I think they'll win it easily. The big prize is the North London Derby because you want to keep your foot on the throat when you're doing so much better than your local rivals. It's a massive game for both teams. Always will be. That's where the rubber hits the road. Tudor's first game. That's the one we should be looking forward to. Tonight will be a footnote in whatever happens this season. You would... In my prediction. You would expect so. I certainly hope so. Yes, Jim, of course you do. And hope springs eternal.

47:42Former Arsenal winger, if you will, Raheem Sterling, will train with new club Feyenoord in Belgium this week. Since he is not able to play a train in the Netherlands because his work permit has not yet been sorted, Van Persie, old Robin, holds him in such high regard that he's moved the entire training operation to Belgium until the problem is fixed. Oi, the takeaway from this is... Belgium is more a lenient country. No, it's the amazing admission and understanding of what we all knew anyway is that there's not really much difference between Netherlands and Belgium. Yeah, exactly. Belgium, the food's marginally better.

48:15That's the only difference. Do you think? Yes. All right. It's a World Cup year. I'm allowed to be jingoistic. I've told you this. I didn't say you were being jingoistic. I'm not having a pop at Netherlands or Belgium generally. I've told you I reserve my ire for France, Argentina and Germany. No, that's fine. Yeah. No, I was just interested and you thought the food, are you going on the chocolate and the chips? Chocolate and chips, wouldn't it? And the waffles. Yeah, and the muscles. The food is exceptional in Bruges. That's my experience of Belgium. Yeah, totally. The beer's better as well. There's some nice Dutch beers as well, but Belgium generally does better beer.

48:43Yeah. Like that Heineken. You like that, don't you? You're a Heine man. Yeah, I am a Heine man. Like me and Pete, yeah. So I love all the local beers around the world. So I like Foster's. Yeah. I like Heineken. Tenants. Madry. I like Tenants particularly. Madry, yeah. Madry is, what people don't realise is that Madry, I'll do this down the camera so people can really get it. Madry is a genuinely authentic Spanish beer and people who drink it, they love the local stuff. And don't let anyone on the internet tell you different. That's exactly the fact, isn't it, Jim? Yeah. It is spot on. Why would I have said it if it wasn't?

49:13Exactly. Indeed, Jim, no lies come from your God. Can you tell it's authentic because it's got a bloke in it with a waistcoat and a flat cap on? He looks like vaguely Spanish. Jim's more into the skull, though, aren't you? Oh, yeah. Oh, it's 4X, Jim. You like the 4X? Get a Hoffmeister down me anyway. Follow the bear, Jim. Yeah. Right then. So, yeah, good luck to Raheem Sterling in Belgium or Netherlands or wherever he ends up playing. I mean, that must make you feel welcome when moving to a different country to accommodate you. A bit self-conscious. Yeah, maybe. Imagine that. All right, lads, you're on the air.

49:42Just trying to get my head down. Thanks for all moving countries and that. But I'm feeling a bit leggy, so I might not do it. Van Persie also said, and understandably, because Sterling hasn't played football for six months or more, and he said, yeah, he's going to take a while to get him up to match fitness. He's like, well, why are we bothering? What's another week going to do? But they go in there, And they're going to... They're thinking, we've seen him play. He's dreadful now. What are we doing? Fan person is going, but the food across the border apparently is meant to be amazing. Get yourself some more mariniere.

50:12All right, fine. You can have as much local lager as you want. Not lager in Belgium. No? Nah. You wouldn't be having a lager when you're in Bruges, Jim? I can't remember. But the Belgians do lager, though. I'm sure they do, but it's about the... A lot of blonde beers and fruit beers and all kinds of interesting stuff. Oh, fine. Beer, lager. You know. Get yourself an Abba Ale. Get yourself a Trappist Monk's Ale. Get yourself a Hobgoblin. What's the matter, Lager boy? Get yourself an Arwhites. Now, Arsenal have been drawn away to Mansfield in the FA Cup, which the draw, of course, took place on Monday.

50:45It's a good draw, Jim. It's a good draw, yeah. Arsenal have had some really tough draws in the early rounds of the FA Cup for the past few years. It's like, yeah, this is overdue. Be respectful, you sportsman. No, no, no. Finally, Jim's like, yeah, we should win that. I honestly thought you were going to go, Well, Mansfield are in the hat for merit. No, it'd be ridiculous if they don't win that. It will be. It will be. I've been to Mansfield as guest of the club and had a lovely time there. Cameron Ramford there, chief executive. Treated us very well. They've got low standards if you're being invited.

51:13It was for a game against Grimsby. A bit of a derby as well. Very good, enjoyable game. Great place to go for Arsenal. They should win pretty easily, but it should be a good experience as well for the Mansfield Town fans. And I'm saying that not in a patronising way. It was great when Arsenal came to Town Fratton Park. Everyone had a lovely time. Yes. Because they went a goal ahead. particularly Arsenal. Best five minutes of our season, probably. Yeah, you go, you see. Although Portsmouth did win last night. I think that's the first away win since the opening day of the season. Well, how about that?

51:38And a welcome one. But it is a great draw for Mansfield. This is what the Cup's about for lower sides, inviting the big boys to town and so on and so forth. And who better to cement that thought than Richard Keyes? No, seriously, who better? Anyone. You can name anyone. Anyone better. Sir Jim Ratcliffe. Boris Johnson. Harold Shipman. yeah who better yeah Genghis Khan preferably alive Hades okay Hades okay someone alive Vladimir Putin you've gone too far there no I haven't yes you have it would be way more enjoyable if he just took time out of his out of his what a great draw for yeah exactly yeah it'd be surprising it would be surprising it would be surprising people would be going great he's finally lost it waiting for this for ages if Keyes and Putin had a fight I would I would be cheering on Keyes would you okay yeah It's good to know.

52:29He's got that British passport. It is a World Cup year. It is a World Cup year, Jim, exactly. Because Russia won't be participating. But anyway, coming all the way back to what Keyes said on Twitter, what a great draw for Mansfield. I'm delighted for Nigel Clough. He's one of the game's good guys. There aren't many of us left. So it's good to see one being rewarded. It's astonishing. Smiley face wink. Yeah, he's put a little wink emoji there. Which I don't think covers up with hubris, does it? Not enough. No, but men of a certain age don't know what they're doing with the winky face anyway. They don't know what they're doing.

53:02It is absolutely astonishing stuff. Is he trying to chat up Nigel Clough? Nigel Clough must be furious with this. Don't love me and me you. Yeah. I don't understand. I just simply do not understand how Richard Keyes, he knows the stuff he's done. He knows the stuff he's done, right? No, but if you are Richard Keyes and you've done the things that you've done and you've got people constantly reminding you of why you're not a Sky anymore and you've got this narrative where that's not actually the case and none of the stuff that he did was actually that bad because there was a stitch-up and the stitch-up means that the things he did...

53:33Say the hashtag, Jim. Dark Forces, yeah, hashtag Dark Forces, all that stuff. If you are Richard Keyes, you have to constantly construct this narrative that you are a good guy, right? Otherwise, you can't look in the mirror because you realise that you're just a... I'll start the Philip Seen here. He's a cautionary tale and he can't recognise it. He is. And I just love the idea of him waking up in his... Is he still living in Qatar? Yeah. he's not carrying on at being sports is he after this season I think they might finally be retiring yeah he's going I love the idea of him waking up in this like Qatari opulence and you know getting his dressing gown on getting the coffee machine on the go and looking in the mirror and going what a good guy apparently he's going to be moving back to the UK after he retired he'll be at large that is excellent news pitchforks ready yeah get him back on talk sport there he is seat 3B if he gets back on

54:29if we if we get him if he gets back on TalkSport we could do a show every week it's just us ringing it in just ringing in the phone in show he'll be like Mo in his tavern won't he next one oh dear he be right yeah well back to the FA Cup Macclesfield of course knocked out of the cup after being beaten by Bradford gutting it was the it was the PE teacher wasn't it with the young girl that was on the news a lot after after they beat Crystal Palace absolutely just heartbreaking. They made a good fist of it though. Oh, they really did. It was a game that was, because I was excited to watch the game on Monday night and it was one of those ones where you think, if it goes the way it could go, you know, it's going to be 2-3-0 down quickly, you're not going to bother watching the rest of it, but they made a good fist of it throughout the entire game really.

55:13Yeah. Well, Keith Andrews went into their dressing room after the full-time whistle and told them. He did. That they gave Brentford a real test and that they were concerned if they were going to get through it. And then he smiled and went, of course we did. enjoy watching us for the rest of the show. He didn't say that. He was very fair. He was very fair. So the footage was shown on TNT Sports, but the footage was shown without sound. So we don't know what was said. What we know is what was reported. A lot of people have suggested that it was quite patronised of Andrews to do that. I actually disagree.

55:41I think it's a nice thing to do. Clearly, he seems like a pretty down-to-earth guy. I liked him as a broadcaster as well. And you can tell by the responses of the Macclesfield players. They did quite appreciate it and John Rooney was kind of wrapped by it as well and then obviously they gave him a big clap at the end. I thought it was a nice thing to do. Why didn't Glasner do that after the game against Palace? It's the final against Man City. Yeah. You're giving us a real game today. Listen lads, Rico, listen. We were worried. Erling, yeah, you know, you played your part today. I don't want you to be, you can have a big season next season.

56:19Yeah, I like what I saw from you lads today. But surely though, managers only do that if they win if Glaser had got in there after the game you know what you've passed this test I wouldn't be surprised if Glaser didn't go in and say congratulations I don't think it would be beyond imagining that he would do that I don't know remembering his face in the post-match I think that might have been a little bit but he might have done Luke you're right I think you know there's talk isn't there of big teams coming to town in cup games going all the way back to like the 70s you know was it was the origin story of Brian Clough that Don Revy's leads came to Oh, that's right.

56:52I think they, I forget the detail, but his team, before he was massive, drew, again, drew Don Revy's team, Leeds, in the cup. And Revy complained, was very arrogant. They couldn't get the coach close enough to the ground, so his players had to walk and he was very complained, very kind of upset about it and he carried himself with no, according to Clough, I mean, they hated each other anyway, but according to Clough, said he disrespected him and he was really embarrassed and it kind of set a fire in him. So I think there is a history of perhaps being a little bit more respectful than that generally.

57:24But I really loved the game. Just quickly, I wanted to mention to Paul Dawson, the midfield player for Macclesfield, who was the absolute epitome of non-league midfield players. And the great thing about him, right, is that he can get amongst any player. It doesn't matter what level they're playing at. It doesn't matter they're flying high in the Premier League. He was giving it out everywhere. He flashed one wide, didn't he, in the first half. It really looked like it had gone in. I saw, there was a great bit of footage of him where I think it was against Yarmuluk who took a great amount of exception against playing against him and Paul Dawson did the greatest non-league thing Marcus you'll appreciate this he fouls Yarmuluk just tries to pull him back gets a yellow and you can see Yarmuluk complaining and you can lip read Dawson going well you got the foul yeah yeah yeah he's right he's absolutely right he's absolutely right but of course going back to the whole dressing room thing what would have been good if John Rooney had gone into the Crystal Palace dressing room and went we were worried about you today yeah turned out we passed the test yeah who wants to meet me brother that would be great there we are everybody thank you very much for listening to the Football Ramble part of the ACAR's Creator Network friends of the Ramble don't go anywhere keep listening for Ramble Uncutting if you're not a friend of the Ramble head over to patreon.com forward slash football ramble to sign up now thank you Luke thank you very much thank you Jim thank you and thank you Macclesfield

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