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4:34Welcome to the Football Ramble. Vish is with me. Jim is with me. Vish has been on about 10 buses this morning. How are you feeling, man? Yeah, good. Good. How were the Boris buses? The Boris buses were good. The Santander buses were better. I was kind of worried that I'd need multiple cups of coffee, but I think that intro has done it for me. I'm up. Yeah, I'm up. We will talk about Newcastle United a little bit later on, but we're going to launch into a pretty big story, a pretty seismic story off the back of the World Cup, obviously. UEFA have confirmed that all 55 of its member associations have voted to boycott the World Cup if FIFA proceeds with its plans to sell stakes in its competitions to private investors.

5:17Huge story, Jim Carp.

5:18Jim Campbell: Yeah, and it's not just the World Cup, is it? It's the Women's World Cup and the Club World Cup as well. They're all World Cups, Jim. All FIFA events, presumably including the luncheons and the junkets and all that stuff as well. The statement from UEFA is rousing stuff. They really, really put the boot into FIFA in terms of, and very eloquently, in terms of quite how abhorrent and venal and self-serving Gianni Infantino's plans to essentially sell a stake of control in the World Cup. However much he says, that's not what they're doing. So they've proposed creating a commercial subsidiary called FIFA Forward Enterprise to run its events, including the World Cup, with external investors able to buy stakes in it.

6:08And Joshua Kushner, the brother of Donald Trump's son-in-law. There's another Kushner. Yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know. I do live it when Harvard Business School... Second Kushner was in the Trump family. Exactly, yeah. I do live it when Harvard Business School kind of alumni come up against the entire might of the world and go, why don't they want me to be happy? Why don't they want me to be happy? Imagine their reunions I know A real A real Shithead

6:33Jim Campbell: Not a functioning Anecdilla between them Yeah Were you a big cunt this year? I was a massive cunt this year Did you make a lot of money About being a cunt? Yeah It's the best way isn't it? It's more fun But UEFA's statement Said in full Fuck off Basically Yeah UEFA and its 55 member Association standards One We unanimously And unequivocally Reject FIFA's proposal To transfer ownership interests in the World Cup and other FIFA competitions to private investors. The World Cup cannot be treated as an investment product. It is one of football's greatest sporting legacies. It has been built over generations by players, national teams and supporters across every continent.

7:08No part of it should ever be surrendered to private investors. The World Cup is not for sale. Good guy UEFA, it seems. Yeah, absolutely.

7:16Jim Campbell: Big mama UEFA's popped up and really done the business here. I mean, obviously UEFA are by no means perfect, but I mean, I really recommend reading the full statement for anyone who hasn't because they really are pulling absolutely no punches. And it is welcome because this level of rejection I think is important. And nobody else can do it, you would say? Yeah, I would say so. Absolutely. And the Asian Football Confederation and CONCACAF have also said that they don't support it. They've not come out and threatened a boycott yet, but there are steps in that direction. It feels like they're kind of hedging bets a little bit by not threatening a boycott.

7:53We have to mess with Conor Bowl. Conor Bowl? Yeah, we've not heard from Conor Bowl yet.

7:58Jim Campbell: They never replied to us anyway. That could be anything. It's a time zone, isn't it? It's quite hard to hold. Yeah, exactly. I mean, is there probably a timeline where this ends up as the World Cup just being a game between Argentina and Saudi Arabia? We don't know, but maybe. So, I mean, this would be a really sort of profound thing if it actually goes as far as boycotts having to happen. I think the qualifiers for the Women's World Cup happen in September. So that'll be the first test of opportunity for this to happen. Hopefully it won't get that far and FIFA will back down from this absolute nonsense.

8:32Jim Campbell: But they've come out today and said, guys, guys, guys, whoa, whoa. You don't really understand the plans. We're just exploring it. No one's trying to sell the World Cup. And the hypocrisy of that when they kind of made all these plans without consulting the various confederations and just announced it publicly to then be, you know, faux annoyed that people are talking about it publicly is incredible. And also, what are they claiming this organisation will do that they don't do already? I mean, it is ridiculous. We could have a situation where if FIFA get what they want or they push ahead with it and they manage to kind of bludgeon everyone into submission, which I hope doesn't happen, that the World Cup is every year because Hyundai think that's a good idea and they have a controlling stake in how these decisions are made.

9:16Jim Campbell: Jim Hyundai have some respect sorry yeah you ruined it at the end there I was really on board with everything you said until you mispronounced how do you say it Hyundai Hyundai Hyundai I thought I said that so sorry everyone disgrace the comments are going to have you the you were asking about what FIFA don't already do that they want to do this it's just more money JP Morgan wrote the essentially the plan for this off the back of you know FIFA's insistence that they wanted to carry this forward Sorry to cut in but I heard it was the JP Morgan who is now just a brain in a jar Right, that makes sense John Paul Morgan Yeah, that makes sense Just surrounded by fluid Spilling over One of the things they put in was a comparison between other bodies as it were but they weren't international bodies, they weren't you know, global, I suppose, sporting umbrellas.

10:18They were like the NFL, the NBA, the MLB. The main ones that are owned by a private, you know, private investment. Formula One and Tour de France. They're the main two. And they all think it's a great idea. And they all think it's a great idea. Same people. There was, you really have to step back and look at the numbers though, because it was, it's the idea that 3 billion isn't enough. Yeah. What happened to that pile of money you were sitting on for ages? Yeah. The surplus. Yeah, well, they're surplus in the billions anyway. And they made a shit ton of money this year.

10:46Jim Campbell: But actually, I think what's happened there is that they've seen that, we were joking all summer, weren't we, all sort of, you know, semi-joking, that if they had an idea, that was enough for them to try it. It was like nothing was too extreme in terms of money-making. And it seems that because that has actually worked, and FIFA have made so much money, that they're like, oh, wow, this could essentially become a license to print money if we just if we maintain this attitude that every penny is to be wrung from it as possible um well it's it's what happens when you spend the last however many years rubbing up alongside donald trump this is straight out of donald trump playbook in terms of you know there was the greasing of the wheels all the way through it there was the confected peace prize infantino gave to trump there was the fact that fifa used trump towers in new york as their offices throughout the World Cup.

11:35And there's also, you know, what is this UN thing that Trump is going to recommend Infantino for? Yeah, that's right. Donald Trump said he wants the ambassador to Jupiter or something? Yeah. Donald Trump has said that he wants Gianni Infantino to be the next Secretary General of the United Nations. Right. Okay, fucking brilliant. He knows how to bring people together.

11:52Jim Campbell: But is that just a sort of coincidentally coherent sounding dementia burp? He might have said. Possibly. I think he should be ambassador to kangaroos. He was actually reading into the Odyssey and he wanted him to replace Hades. Maybe the UN needs to be privatised. They need to make a bit of money out of this, for crying out loud. It should be privatised. That's so true. Why has nobody thought about that in Davos, for crying out loud?

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15:45the other thing about this the um it just reeks uh i mean like obviously sorry it just reeks yeah it's just it's all utter shy but loads of little things don't tell even with the statement that fifa put out today because they talk about like this has been an ongoing well we'd hope this would be an ongoing discussion without essentially media interference but they already promised thrive what 20 % stake in the you know in this FIFA World Cup content machine they were going to create and by doing that they're naturally going to be the majority investor in some way they're certainly going to have the pull of a majority investor and the the hilarious bullshit side to it was this offer comes off the table 19th September yeah for 20 million you know you can buy-in it's like it's a fucking timeshare yeah yeah yeah it's a weird cross between a bribe and

16:38Jim Campbell: a threat isn't it it's really really strange and also the idea that like they they're going to go to these governing bodies and say right um you've got however many days to do this um chris weatherspoon who's a football finance writer for the athletic made a great point of you can pretend to be doing this for good intentions for like you know giving people extra money that they can invest growing in the game, but you can't give them only 53 days to come up with a plan on how to use that money if this is what's going to happen. So yeah, obviously it's utter shy. Well, I nearly used the B word there, but that's not what I'm saying.

17:11Members have been given until the 19th December to agree to their proposal. If they did, they'd get$20 million. And then once the proposal goes through, you get another$20 million. If that was$100 million, would everyone be a bit more... Sometimes Sometimes you could, you know, the Czech Republic president came out and he was the first to go. It's always dangerous. Just see where the wind's blowing and then put my head up. But I feel like I've made the same mistake as he has previously in many different, you know, areas of my life where you just see the number first. Ooh, hello. Yes, please. Yeah, I'll take that.

17:48Lovely old job.

17:49Jim Campbell: I think the ultimate thing, though, is that football can't be run. certainly football as we know it with profit as the main motivator for it. And I do understand that developing nations need an injection of cash here and there. Of course they do. It's up to FIFA too. It could be seen as very Eurocentric the position we're taking and a lot of the confederations around the world are taking. Absolutely, I'd take that. But at the same time, FIFA have just been bragging about record profits. In terms of that stuff, it's going well. They are making those investments. There is a point where it becomes not worth the thing you're selling, which is the soul of it, which is the control of it, which is the future of it.

18:31Jim Campbell: And that simply cannot be in the hands of just private business. It really rips the soul out of the sport. And I think regardless of how this goes, Gianni Infantino's position should be untenable now. I think if this plan is derailed by everybody boycotting it as I hope it is and we all hope it is and everyone has to stay the course on that as well I hope that they're brave enough to if it comes to it in any other like walk of life in any other industry this would be such a such an embarrassing thing and such an out of touch display that his position would be untenable and he'd have to go and he's never going to do that of his own accord so I don't know if there's a mechanism here to remove him but we've been saying for a long time And FIFA are not fit.

19:18Jim Campbell: They'll be fine. I'm sure this is what I'm opining. They'll be fine. But I think FIFA are increasingly showing that they are not fit for purpose in terms of actually being custodians of the sport and what's good for it. And he needs to go. He has to go. To borrow a phrase, I would lose it if we just came up with some other bloody solution. Absolutely. It's not that easy, though, is it? Utah's a really good point there about, you know, nations who really do need that money. And it's important that when it looks, I don't want to jinx anything, but it looks like this is going to be kiboshed because ultimately they need consent to do it.

19:56And they're not going to get consent from all nations or even the majority of nations or whatever. You know, if they need like a certain percentage, it doesn't look like they're going to get it. but you know nations like ours like the English FA should walk away from this particularly when it's successful and think how do we stop this from happening again we probably need to give up some of our slice of the pie to those other nations who can get corralled by this kind of thing you see in all other sports it happens in cricket all the time as well and it's something that you've got to be wary of it's not you know it's basically you know international but like galactic super league shit yeah and so the mistake that Premier League clubs and the big clubs around Europe are probably still making now is thinking it's completely gone away and not realising that they need to restructure how the game is set up and the FAs around the world should also be thinking like that coming off the back of this because I suppose this is more seismic really because we've just had a World Cup that went better than a lot of us expected I'd say and as Jimmy, I think it was a point you made earlier FIFA have come out more brazen than ever, Inventino's come out more brazen than ever he's got an ally in Donald Trump who's the most powerful person in the world, who's also the most dangerous person in the world and there are bigger threats to the world off the back of whatever Trump is but in terms of what you can control in football that power is still with the FAs But Gianni Inventino's kind of debased himself allying himself to Donald Trump a president who's not going to be here.

21:33Has he? We've had prime ministers closing up to Trump. That's how he sees himself as well, isn't it?

21:41Jim Campbell: Yeah. He sees himself as a kind of world leader. Yeah, yeah. The problem with Infantino is the thing that he's controlling, the thing that everyone, well, the thing that most people around the world love. And that's always going to give him a bit of extra in the back, in so many different ways. It's like he's holding it hostage at the moment for ransom, which is just absolutely, absolutely appalling. And it will be really interesting to me to see if it actually ever gets to the point where UEFA or whoever need to make good on these threats. And it feels horrendous that it will be the women's game that will be a testing ground for it.

22:18Jim Campbell: But I just hope that everybody, you know, holds the line and is brave enough to do it because there's kind of no going back if this thing is allowed to win. I suppose the alternative would be that the individual confederations would collaborate to effectively host a version of the World Cup. And as you're alluding to there, Vish, I think UEFA would be in a situation where you'd probably have to concede some spaces. And you'd have to, you'd probably have to go, we can't really realistically ask for this to be a collaborative process and still have the kind of majority of teams. If you're expecting all of the other confederations to come together and collaborate.

22:55Jim Campbell: But that's worth it. That's so worth it. I'd take that in a heartbeat. The only thing I'm a little bit wary of there is we might win the next Euros if we invite all the other teams around. It's so much harder. Eurovision, aren't it? Yeah, definitely not Australia. That's a fucking disgrace. While we're here, why Australia and Eurovision? Don't know. Why aren't Japan? Imagine their entry to Eurovision. Japan getting the Copa America every now and again, aren't they? Yeah, true. But I'm not saying that we invite other nations from outside of Europe into the Euros. Not for the next one. We're pretty good now.

23:30Jim Campbell: Not for the next one, yeah. We haven't given up that home advantage. Yeah, exactly. They can come over, they'll have to leave afterwards. Come over, have a look around, enjoy it. Enjoy it, yeah. Spend your money. Alright then, before we go to a break, we want to pay tribute to a legend of Italian football, Franco Bresi, who's died at the age of 66. When people talk about Rolls Royce players, he's the Royciest of all the Rolls Royce players with all the trimmings and the updates. But he was like a stone Rolls Royce, wasn't he? Like a Rolls Royce that was also a wall. He's one of those first players that, you know, when you're first falling in love with football, USA 94 is a really formative memory for me.

24:06Jim Campbell: I couldn't believe how good Beresi was at defending and how he made defending fun. Like the feeling that like no one's getting past this guy. He was just so, so solid and so compact and just really dictated so much of the game from the back. And he'd had like quite serious surgery. it was something like 120 days before that world cup and he was kind of playing on one leg for most of it and was still one of the best players there he's got a fascinating origin story which i suppose speaks to his time but um i think he only he only watched football on tv for example like late later in like later in his like um you know adolescence early adolescence maybe because he was just playing it didn't have access to a tv and was basically just developing his natural game, which happened to be this absolute stylist at the back.

24:56And I love the fact that you think of Beresi and the other defender that comes to mind in terms of a similar ilk is Franz Beckenbauer. And I didn't realise until the sad news of his passing that he was called Kaiser Franz as a nickname in reference to Franz Beckenbauer. But yeah, he was also one of those players very early in my football watching life and he basically passed me by a bit. but then when people talk about him, you add him to the lineage of Italian defenders where you're like, how do you do such a difficult thing that requires so many of our defenders to be on their back? How do you do it in such a classy way?

25:33How are you clean at the end of a game? How do you do that? He rarely found himself on the floor. You know, he's good for a two-footer every now and again, as most defenders were at that time. But he, you know, captain his club side for 15 seasons, over 700 appearances for Milan in the 70s, 80s and 90s. he obviously won the 82 World Cup six Serie A titles three European Cups he was relegated with Milan

25:55Jim Campbell: yeah that was in the 80s wasn't it I think twice and he stayed with them which was probably a bit more common at the time but he is one of the sort of ultimate one club men IC Milan, Italy I mean it's not bad is it really really nice that and they retired his number and he played the number six to be good enough that they are retiring one of the starting 11 numbers is something, right? That's a dangerous game if you're an Italian club and you're retiring numbers for good defenders. That might be why they all wear like 76 and 98 now, but just retired all of them. He's the reason why everyone puts their hands up for offside.

26:31He's one of the first people to sort of figure out. Really? I got a call here, to be honest, if I put my hand up. But you wouldn't see a player who could command his part of the field better than him. There was a goal he scored weirdly against Padua. He didn't score like a huge amount of goals obviously from his position but him his interplay with George Weir dig it out if you can it's 95, 96, 97 something like that and it's him to George Weir to him chest I think knee and then sorting his feet out to just fucking slide rule it past the goalkeeper oh my god absolutely lovely Fulham alumni as well he was at Fulham for two months fell out with the manager just left so he wasn't a one club man he went to Fulham no he didn't play he didn't play at Fulham he was a director of football Oh, right.

27:17I was going to say, I thought I missed that. I thought he just went up there for a rock. Picked a fight with Tagana and then left. Yeah, I mean an incredible... I completely missed that. Well, I just thought, Marcus might want to bring something in when he's back. Alright then, well coming up after this, Eddie Howe and Jess and Tindall, they're gone.

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29:59First of all, Jack, welcome to Tramere Rovers. How does it feel to join the club? I'm delighted to be here, to be fair. Been over a few weeks today and I'm just looking to get started and get the season up and on. you turn the piss hello there everybody like a scouse bag puss Thomas is emerging from a tunnel oh no he's got that little smile on his face that's so good wonderful stuff speaking of sad dour situations would anyone like a glass of nox at this difficult time. Of Knox. Of Knox. The energy drink that sponsors Newcastle United this season. Oh, I see. You're not on the Newcastle United forums.

30:48They don't sponsor us. We're big energy... I've stopped drinking energy drinks. What? I can't get it. Sorry. Hang on. How in Tindal can wait?

30:56Jim Campbell: You've stopped drinking energy drinks. I have stopped drinking energy drinks. For how long? Well, until I feel better. No, I mean, when was the last time you had one? Oh, three days. No, about two weeks. Wow. Two weeks clean, guys. So you're gonna get one of those little chips. You've identified that it doesn't quite work with your body. You're off it for two weeks, and you're gonna go back on it when you feel better. Exactly, yeah. Brilliant. That works. Was there a crash? But I'll only drink the small cans, because you never take what you took last time. Sure, yeah. It can be dangerous, can't it?

31:28Jim Campbell: You can die from that if you're very unlucky. So was there a crash in the immediate detox? No, no. It wasn't like a problem that I've had. this makes it sound more serious than it actually is I've just stopped it, I just don't think a man, I think a 45er man should not be drinking Monster unless they bring out a new flavour, then I'll drink that it's been reported but hilariously not confirmed by the football club that Eddie Howard, Jason Tindall still not confirmed still not on the Newcastle United website yeah, Eddie Howard, Jason Tindall it has been reported they have both left Newcastle United and presumably Andy Howe as well.

32:06Andy Howe, the nephew, the scout, the transfer man. If Andy Howe digs in, that'll be a story.

32:15Jim Campbell: I've got a fucking contract. Yeah, I've got a fucking contract. Be like Juan Bernabe at the training ground. Yeah, Andy Howe was left in Newcastle United after five years in charge. He reportedly told Newcastle's owners he wanted to leave more than a fortnight ago. It was very interesting. I was walking the dog and my accountant texted me. he used to text me to go and Pete can you get your fucking I can't put all this monster free of expenses you have to stop drinking it caffeine is not tax deductible I'm the performer Pete Donaldson and I was very much enjoying like the kind of it gets announced I'm on all of like the live YouTube reaction sort of bollocks that you see of like both Newcastle and you know your talk sports and stuff and just like the whole you gotta remember eddie howe has a lot of friends in the traditional media and certainly in sort of radio television sort of um paper journalist uh journalist space um so there was one reaction where it's like it's disgraceful you know because we thought initially the club made the decision but obviously it was how's decision in the end um but i was very much enjoying the start where it's like everyone's gone why are we looking at some unknown german manager why why aren't we signing someone like i don't know jose marini and jose marini was named and I was like, Jesus.

33:36I'm not sure even what level. He's in quite a big post. He's in quite a big post. But why they don't know that? And then it's like an hour later, everyone wants to sound intelligent, so they go, actually, this guy is the new coming of Jürgen Klopp. It's a really interesting stuff. And also, a lot of the Newcastle local journalists who'd been down in Bristol to watch Bristol City hammer Newcastle in the end for one. Some terrible goalkeeping performances in that match. I very much enjoyed them slightly embarrassing themselves because their first record was like, we just saw him yesterday and we knew the squad were going out to Malaga to play some football for the weekend and we asked Eddie if he was going to be joining them on the same flight and he said he didn't know he hadn't been told what he was going to be doing and then Eddie asked everyone in the room if they wanted to photograph with him and he was like, what?

34:28He didn't have a fucking clue that he was about to announce his departure. I mean, come on, guys. Hey, guys, do you want to get a big picture? Do we do this normally? Nah, let's have a big picture. Come on. And then Eddie asked if anyone wanted to accompany him to the farm. And we were like, that's weird. He's never taken us to a farm before. Producer Bruno said, did everyone sign his shirt like the last day of school? Yes. It's good stuff. But, I mean. And then a few people from that press conference have been on the radio since and been like, well, I knew. I did actually know he just wasn't quite himself

35:01Jim Campbell: now I've heard the news I can look back and I remember I did know actually I didn't know at the time a lot of other people did know but I think it was when he was dribbling outside of his mouth I thought something's wrong here something is wrong but Vish he's been there for five years a huge loss to Newcastle you would say one of the probably the most successful definitely the most successful manager in the last 50 years Yeah, in terms of the status he was able to reacquire for Newcastle. I feel like I'm answering the question that you should be answering. I'm hosting the show-vish. I know, I appreciate that.

35:38I must be professional. Sorry, what? Sorry, I just had an energy drink hallucination. I'm finding it very difficult to get off it. There was always going to be this pinch point, though, wasn't there, with PIF, with the Saudi ownership of Newcastle, where ultimately I thought it would be ambition, really, in terms of, right, as you move up the levels, suddenly the manager that you started with isn't so attractive. There is someone bigger and better, whether it's a shiny new thing or a more established international name. And actually it seems to me the pinch point has been PSR regulations, UEFA regulations, they didn't need to sell players to generate funds and also having essentially made savvy transfer dealings way back when that are now at a point where you're going to be picked off, that you've been picked off by Tottenham, that you've been picked off by Barcelona who don't have any money but have money.

36:44The fact that you're about to be picked off probably more reasonably by Arsenal in the situation of Rugo Gimoresh and again Liverpool taking Izak last season perhaps those two are unavoidable but with the investments that aren't being made and things like that I can totally understand why he has been able to, well he is left because ultimately if he starts the season and things don't go well, it's his fault isn't it? Yeah and I think his kind of game plan last season when he was available was give it Bruno and now he probably looks at that side and sort of goes I can't give it Bruno anymore

37:25Jim Campbell: I suppose as well with the way the transfer window's gone and seemingly is continuing to go it looks like Eddie Howe has now been tasked with a kind of project youth style set up which is obviously not what he would have wanted he would have wanted to keep Tenali Gordon and Gimmarais in an ideal world, they might all end up going. I think they would have been prepared for a couple of those players going, maybe not all of them. The longer it goes on, the longer it may be the case that Bruno Guimara stays where he is, we don't know yet. But I think from Eddie Howe's point of view, to have got this group of players together, to have won a trophy, to have had two Champions League qualifications and to have had a demonstrably, tangibly successful era at the club, to then have your plan change so dramatically for it to be quite a big reset, the thought of kind of climbing that mountain again is probably exhausting.

38:18Jim Campbell: And you're probably thinking this isn't actually what I've built, isn't what I'm here for. Maybe now is the time to move on. And actually, you know, maybe Matthias Geisler will be a good person for this sort of rebuild. I know he's been at Red Bull Salzburg and Al Alley, which is one of the other kind of PIF-owned clubs, isn't it? So it's a sort of bit of a Liam Rossini-style punt. But who knows how well that will go. He's probably just as successful as him. I'd take the amount of wins, Liam, and he's sort of brought to Chelsea, I would suggest. The other thing about Howe is he's always been a very savvy operator behind the scenes.

38:55And, you know, while we can talk about regulations around finance domestically and in Europe that would constrict Newcastle, he would be able to see early on what assets, well, he would know what asset stripping looks like and he would know in various different situations when they're like, you know what, we're going to invest in youth now. It's like, you're doing that because it's cheaper. We've had the same scouts we've had all the way through, and you're just saying now that we should invest in youth because it is simply cheaper than trying to find a replacement for Isaac, Gordon, Tonali, and Gibberish.

39:29And the Saudis have proved themselves time and time again to be in the direction of travel, of extricating themselves out from the club, in my opinion. They're winding down across the board. Where's the training ground? Where's the stadium? all of those things none of those things would contribute to you know the financial restrictions that Premier League put on you so why haven't they sort of put their hand in their pocket and spent the money there

39:53Jim Campbell: the story seems to be neon doesn't it they're spending a lot of money on building a new city which is obviously a massive money pit I think as well part of the is that the outline of the city just a money pit you can live in it just a money pit these are not great foundations Scrooge McDuck vault actually that does make sense as the basement to the whole place to be fair so actually that probably does make a bit more sense but um i think the what new cars were needed to do which i haven't really been able to do yet because this is a long-term thing is um um raise the revenues on the commercial side because that is that's how when you stay and you do that with you do that with you look at like i think spurs bring in twice the amount of money that newcastle bring in every every day even though they're they're below them in the table you would say yeah sure but also spurs are a sort of well-established big global brands, right?

40:42Jim Campbell: London. Yeah, London, and they're synonymous with the Premier League. So even when they have seasons outside of Europe and stuff, it doesn't hit them in the same way it hits clubs like Newcastle. A match date for Newcastle is like 50 million or something like that. Compared to everybody else, it's not a huge amount. It was... Eddie Howe can sort of leave... I mean, at the end of the day, he took the Saudi coin. So let's make that very clear. It's not a romantic story in that sense. And like you said on the WhatsApp fish, maybe he's finally finished his research into his honors he said he'd look into it the World Cup's been over for a bit and he thought what do I do now what do I do now

41:20that's just a buy in though isn't it I know he didn't have to take that job but he was due for a step up and this came along at the right time didn't it and he has been given a lot of money to improve the squad and he has improved the squad he's improved a club and he's given Newcastle fans the best day of their lives in the Carabao Cup. He has to stand as the most successful manager in the last 50 years. The best time for him to go, though, the way that he carried himself was probably after the Sunderland match last season. The second best time was probably the week after. And then the 50th best time was yesterday.

41:52You think so? I think he was pretty spent by that time. He emotionally and physically checked out. He just looked absolutely checked out. And I do not know why he went through the rigmarole of going, you know, the close season kind of, you know, summit meeting with the Saudi owners. I don't know why he went through that and he didn't walk that past.

42:11Jim Campbell: Well, apparently he's been trying to leave for two weeks. So who knows how that went? But I think he leaves with agency and he leaves with a good legacy. So that's something, isn't it? Winning that trophy, as we've all mentioned, was a huge thing. So I suppose, like, and I ask this in good faith, it might sound like I'm not asking this in good faith, because it's obviously a shocking thing. The Project Youth thing was something that was perhaps not expected last season but those type of rebuilds are kind of exciting at times do you look ahead to the new season with a little bit of hope well I think the reason why the reason why Eddie Howe wanted to leave was because A he'd been he'd been taken off transfers basically because of the poor forms of the players he brought in like Alanga which is not unusual is it in the modern Premier League it's not unusual but I don't think anybody I mean Alanga was a real surprise how poor he was yeah that's just unfortunate but I think they were being gazumped left, right and centre by everybody from Villa to Spurs and it wasn't just the financial aspects in my opinion, I think it was also the way that Newcastle had performed in key matches last season in the Premier League and the Champions League and that was an Eddie Howe problem, so he kind of his choices haven't performed, so therefore his he is to blame for a little bit, the performance in the Premier League, the performances in the Premier League were poor from start to finish they were poor they had a lot more joy in the Champions League but he leaves the club as the best manager I've seen pound for pound in my lifetime so you can only sort of hang out on that and you're right it is exciting you know the new manager he looks like a sort of fellow you'd see at a cycling club he looks very very well how is that exciting I don't know they're the most boring people in the world yeah but you kind of want them in charge of the serious decisions right I suppose, yeah but you're right, I think playing in a different kind of way I think Eddie Howe had one kind of way he wanted to play and when that wasn't working, Joe Willock 60 was always his solution he felt like his subjugation was sort of baked into what he was going to do at the morning of a football match and so like I would like to see a more expansive, more interesting more reactive manager in the dugout at this moment in time but Eddie Howe hell of a servant to Newcastle United Football Club and I've very much enjoyed the transformative nature of his management and a Newcastle supporter I'm sure a lot of people would agree with that Do you think we'll see him again this season?

44:44Jim Campbell: Good question He says he wants some time off Yeah he will kind of he'll be linked with every job of that type of profile Because he's got a lot of friends in the media as well Yeah and he's a good talker so he'll do a lot of punditry he'll do a lot of five live he'll be present if it goes the way that previous his previous jobs have gone would it be a surprise if De Zerbe you know self-combusts at Spurs and Hurl comes in at some part this season or the season after probably more the season after with the investment I expect Spurs will have a very good season under De Zerbe this time out after that I thought you were going to touch wood hopefully for North London touch metal and but you know the season after that who knows De Zerbe is this combustible character as we know isn't he but this is the exact type of feast at which he will be a specter isn't it possibly even England as well yeah Emery at Villa yeah maybe I think that would probably upset a lot of Villa fans because they love Emery so much but you have an idea with the players that they've sold you know we've often seen Emery might leave in the way that Howe's actually left Newcastle that might happen to them because they're in a broadly similar situation so yeah it's going to be an interesting move I imagine he sort of he definitely interviews well and I think he sort of fits he's quite boardroomy himself in my opinion he's the very picture of a modern boardroom sort of character so I imagine he could walk into many jobs I think that he probably for his level wouldn't necessarily take.

46:18Jim Campbell: The next one's big for him though isn't it because it will determine whether or not he becomes a kind of fixture on the managerial merry-go-round or he can build a legacy somewhere because he's been very good at doing that at each club he's been at, really. Did you say that apparently Antonio Conte and Kieran McKenna were also on the shortlist for a replacement title? I mean, what are they going for there? Yeah, that doesn't suggest a particularly well-thought-out plan, does it? We've got a young cerebral type. We've also got a maniac. Well, both in the dugout. Yeah. Like Howe and Tindall. Howe and Tindall, yeah.

46:54What's Tindall going to do? Is he going to follow Howe? Howe?

46:56Jim Campbell: He's going to do what Eddie Howe does. Love Island. Get him on. Love Island. Get him on. Love Island over 30s. Finally. Yeah, finally. Or maybe just a sort of wandering samurai trying to look for a master somewhere. A ronin. A ronin, yeah. But for shagging. We do not know whether that man shagged. On Monday's show... You were screaming his name at the start of the show. What? You were screaming his name at the start of the show. Good point. Very good point. on Monday's show we speculated on the prospect of Sillip Bang's Barry Scott being dead amazing he's in fact alive and not Barry Scott and not Barry Scott he's just an actor he's just an actor who played it yeah Fergus McIntosh wrote to us on Spotify with information that he runs a pub quiz in Waltham Store every Tuesday night we could have popped round to the Raglan not too far from me actually not too far from our 40 foot brewery adventures as well that's true we could have invited Barry Scott down if only we'd known We thought he was dead We did, yeah But in reality He's sort of dead, isn't he?

47:56Jim Campbell: Because he doesn't exist Yeah He's in the same endless void That's why he didn't respond When we did the séance Ah, yes, yes So he's actually an actor Called Neil Burgess And I like that Sillip Bang just made up a bloke Was he the owner? Was he the inventor? We don't know They just made up a bloke Presented him And we accepted him Into our hearts I think their parent company At the time Was going through a a bit of problems well a bit of problems with humidifier disinfectant probably worth a Google and they also on Gaviscon as well which I'm obviously a big fan of they killed a lot of people Jim I see Stephen Bridge on email says I'm not sure if you've been told or if you're aware of this but Andy Burnham's new number 10 north or Heron House as it was previously called has none other than Wings Restaurant on the ground floor in the back of the building nice that's it so Wings Restaurant if you're not familiar, is basically Louis van Gaal's favourite Manchester United haunt.

48:57He ate there repeatedly. Every Manchester footballer. Every Manchester footballer. I think they have like the plates, don't they? They sign plates. Yeah, I've been there. And they hang them on the wall, basically. Yeah. So what's the food like?

49:08Jim Campbell: It was pretty good Chinese food. If you like Chinese food, I'm not massive on it, but I had a good time. Whoa! Yeah. I'm just kind of indifferent to Chinese food. you're indifferent to Chinese food it demands your attention yeah but you forget it 10 minutes after didn't you yeah we're here for wings this is a schism that could bring down the entire football ramble we've not even started the season yet is this you talking or is this the actor that plays you changes can be made in the dugout that's all I'm saying so this is really interesting because in DC for example there are loads of restaurant bars that have opened up or that have been in existence for a long time around the White House and other government buildings that are essentially there for discretion.

49:59Yes. So they're normal bars and whatever. But not even private member bars. There might be a bar associated with the hotel. I actually stayed in one and the bar manager is a Ramble fan. Right. Weirdly. But my mate who works in politics in DC was saying that people usually come here and just chat business because essentially that couches are really far away from each other. So you can have, you know, you can be in a normal setting and still have a discreet conversation, basically.

50:24Jim Campbell: I love seeing that in TV and movies where people have really important private conversations in very public places. I'm glad to know that that is a real thing. Yeah, yeah. I love the idea that that's now going to be wings. Oh, what? You're like, Furnham's going to be down there with his inner circle just having a bit of power. And like, you know, on a different table, it's like... Kung power chicken. Sorry. Love it. It's very Marcus, that. Yeah, on another table, it's like Donnarumma having some chicken satay. And it's like, ah. There he is. Someone having a pint of wine, ironically. But then obviously because, was that where this thing happened?

50:59Right, okay. Yeah, took down Allardyce. Because they're really big on their discretion there at Wings because there are so many famous people in football. Obviously not enough for Allardyce's sake. When you're eating that much MSG, your voice does get a little bit sort of reedy and quiet. so maybe that's kind of part of it as well Is that true? When you're actually loaded up on Christmas shredded beef and lemon chicken Chinese food makes you quieter Is that true? Jim Just let me have it Jim If anyone's going to know about being loaded up on chilli beef and lemon chicken Yeah Jim Jim You name check Kung Pao chicken that's a thing the British-y I'm not

51:34Jim Campbell: I'm not experienced in Chinese food You're really not Maybe you just not found the Chinese milieu that's for you After your mispronunciation of Hyundai Day Right yeah Have you got a problem With them over there Is it East Asians All of them Or The Washington DC's I haven't at all I haven't at all I've got a problem With anyone Apart from Gianni Infantino Right Interesting And You're going to say Someone else there I've got my list And you're very close To being on it The Taiwanese Have had it too good For too long Unbelievable Jim We'll want to watch Jim's Anti-Asian sentiment Anyway Thank you for listening To the Football Ramble Part of the Acast Greater Network John Matane Avish John Matane Konnichiwa Konnichiwa John Matane You're in English You speak English Jim Racist Jim and I will be back on Monday with Luke

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