In short
FedEx CEO Raj Subramaniam discusses “re-globalization” and how AI, robotics, and network redesign can reduce disruption and inefficiency in global supply chains (citing $1.8T in inefficiency). He explains FedEx’s DRIVE transformations, digital twin/data platform, and plans to integrate AI into most core operations by 2028.
Guests
Alison Chantel (Fortune editor/interviewer) and Raj Subramaniam (FedEx CEO; former COO/president; joined FedEx in 1991 as an associate marketing analyst after a roommate declined an interview). A sponsor segment also features Deloitte U.S. CEO Jason Gersadis (AI agents implementation advice).
Key claims
FedEx moves ~18M packages/day, generating ~2 petabytes of data daily; 2025 saw major trade pattern shifts; AI helps with customs classification, disruption prediction, and network optimization; DRIVE targets include network 2.0 completion by end of next year and fall 2027; AI integrated into most core operations by 2028; expected savings/cash flow targets (e.g., $2B by 2027; ~$6B by 2029).
Notable examples
GenAI for selecting customs classification codes (e.g., shipping a shirt to the UK); deep learning to optimize package flows; AI/ServiceNow partnership for earlier delay detection; autonomous trucking tests with Aurora (700,000 autonomous miles); automated truck loading/unloading robotics with Dexterity and Berkshire Gray; FedEx Freight spin-off into a public company.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroduction to FedEx and CEO Raj Subramaniam
0:00 to 0:47
Learn about FedEx's role in global trade and the insights from its CEO.
“Moving nearly$2 trillion worth of goods every year, FedEx is deeply connected to the flow of global trade.”
AI and the Future of Business Operations
0:55 to 5:26
Discover how AI is reshaping business practices and operational efficiency.
“CEO Jason Gersadis on maximizing AI agents and what CEOs should consider as they assess and prioritize use cases for AI.”
The Impact of Geopolitical Changes on Supply Chains
5:26 to 11:40
Explore how recent geopolitical shifts are affecting global supply chains and FedEx's adaptability.
“Firstly, as we just talked about, the patterns of physical movement of goods changed.”
Raj Subramaniam's Role as CEO
11:40 to 14:00
Understand the challenges and priorities of leading a global logistics company.
“that's where we have to keep managing and monitoring.”
Leadership Transition at FedEx
14:00 to 17:50
Learn about Raj Subramaniam's journey and the mentorship from founder Fred Smith.
“But this takes it to a whole other level.”
FedEx Culture and the Purple Promise
17:50 to 23:06
Discover the core values and cultural principles that guide FedEx's operations.
“Yeah, well, first of all, we are a service business.”
Transformations and Innovations at FedEx
23:06 to 28:00
Explore recent operational changes and digital innovations implemented under Raj's leadership.
“Well, we moved from the original Federal Express branding to FedEx.”
FedEx's Network Transformation Journey
28:00 to 30:06
Explore how FedEx is evolving its network to meet changing demands.
“And our gap in the market share was 70 points versus the nearest competitor was 70 points.”
Digital Transformation and Data Utilization
30:06 to 31:24
Learn about FedEx's efforts in digital transformation and data engineering.
“the total transformation of FedEx is complete?”
Leveraging AI for Supply Chain Efficiency
31:24 to 33:40
Understand how FedEx uses AI to enhance supply chain operations and prevent disruptions.
“Yeah, and I wanted to talk about the data layer that you're building for FedEx.”
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Addressing Supply Chain Inefficiencies
33:40 to 36:25
Discuss how AI can tackle inefficiencies in global supply chains worth $1.8 trillion.
“A supply chain disruption is a domino effect where a local issue such as a component shortage, a labor strike, or a geopolitical event can ripple through a network.”
The Future of Autonomous Vehicles
36:25 to 37:05
Explore FedEx's work with autonomous vehicles and their potential timeline for implementation.
“$1.8 trillion of supply chain inefficiencies.”
Innovations in Robotics and AI
37:05 to 39:31
Learn about the integration of robotics and AI in FedEx's operational processes.
“So we have been working with a company called Aurora over the last few years.”
Strategic Spin-Off of FedEx Freight
39:31 to 42:00
Uncover the strategic rationale behind the spin-off of FedEx Freight into its own entity.
“And so this is something that hopefully could come in the next couple of years.”
Navigating Change at FedEx
42:00 to 43:34
Learn how FedEx views change as an opportunity in the supply chain landscape.
“They have their first earnings call coming up here.”
Preparing for Future Leadership
43:34 to 46:13
Discover key insights for aspiring CEOs on preparation and mindset.
“I mean, it's less of a threat, more of an opportunity.”
The Reality of CEO Life
46:13 to 47:06
Understand the challenges and realities of being a CEO in today's world.
“And actually, there's a lot of executives now that when we ask them in rooms at Fortune, do you want to be on the CEO path?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Moving nearly$2 trillion worth of goods every year, FedEx is deeply connected to the flow of global trade. Facing unpredictable tariffs, fleet disruptions, and intense competition, the company is entering a new era of re-globalization, where automated belt systems, edge robotics, and new trade patterns are rewriting the rules of global supply chains. In essence, we are moving from one equilibrium state to another equilibrium state. I'm here in Memphis, where FedEx is headquartered, and I spoke with CEO Raj Subramaniam. We talked about his rise within the company from the lowest level possible up to the CEO seat, how he's overhauling the logistics company and taking it through three transformations, and how he's thinking about AI, robotics, and the future of the company.
0:42I'm Alison Chantel, and this is Fortune 500, Titans and Disruptors of Industry. We'll be back after a brief message from our sponsor.
0:55Fortune spoke with Deloitte U.S. CEO Jason Gersadis on maximizing AI agents and what CEOs should consider as they assess and prioritize use cases for AI. This is on the topic of every CXO conversation I'm a part of. And I think the thought process has to be looking for high impact areas that may not be necessarily the most glamorous or high-profile functional areas but are ripe for automation and use of this technology to create efficiencies as well as innovation and over time AI agents will be also in customer facing and growth oriented domains in our case Deloitte we're using it within our finance organization looking at you know very mundane processes like expense management and working capital management we're seeing other organizations using in call centers and with software development that can be automated.
1:49What are the key elements for successfully implementing AI agents? It comes down to intentionality. And so I think that intentionality and going functional area by functional area in concert with business and IT leadership in an enterprise, it needs to be a mainstream business planning effort that's budgeted, that's KPIs are developed, and there's real accountability for actual business outcomes and impact because of agentic capabilities. Raj, thank you so much for having me here in Memphis at your FedEx Experience Center. It's a gorgeous, huge facility, and it's an honor to be with you. You're a Fortune 500 number 50 CEO.
2:30Well, Allison, great to see you in Memphis, and we'd love to have you in Memphis, and I'm glad that you're right here in our Experience Center, and we look forward to this conversation. Yeah, thank you. I was just saying I've had my second helping of barbecue, so I'm good for this interview. Good. So I know you move about 18 million packages all over the world on average per day. That is a lot of insight that you have into the physical economy and just the global economy at scale. And I'm curious, as you look at all the metrics that you have at your disposal, what are the things that you're seeing about the global economy that the rest of us might not have from your vantage point?
3:07Yeah, well, that's an excellent question, Alison. And first of all, these 18 million packages actually, they represent shipments from about two to three million active shippers and about 300 million recipients around the world. And we are in the center of this ecosystem. The interesting thing is that it also generates two petabytes of data every single day about the system. So we see the supply chains from the bottom up. In many ways, we are the referendum on global supply chains. This may not have been that interesting two or three years ago, but it is very interesting today because the supply chain patterns are changing very rapidly.
3:51I've been doing this for 35 years, and I've been watching this flows. And we had one set of equilibrium over this period of time. And in 2025, we had a lot of changes. And I've never seen a change in one year like we've seen in 2025. I'll let you know what I mean. For example, the U.S. import was down and U.S. export was up. And those combinations thereof I haven't seen in a long time. The intra-regional traffic is up. We have Latin America inbound up significantly. A lot of countries, Southeast Asia, India, they're growing very rapidly. So it's all happening all at the same time. In essence, the supply chain patterns are changing, and we are moving from one equilibrium state to another equilibrium state.
4:39And we are in the middle of such a transition. And, you know, I just coined the term reglobalization to kind of capture the point. But it's a very interesting time as we are watching these changes happen firsthand in real time. And, you know, I know the Liberation Day tariffs were about a year, a little more than a year ago. And FedEx experienced that impact firsthand as a business, but so did every other business. And the supply chains have been changed accordingly. Geopolitical reordering has happened accordingly. And I'm curious from your vantage point of that moment in April when these tariffs changed globally for everybody, what was the impact you saw?
5:19And how is the geopolitical world order changing based on who's doing business that maybe wasn't doing business before? Well, from our point of view, there were three things that were important. Firstly, as we just talked about, the patterns of physical movement of goods changed. So in this context, having a scaled physical network was very important. You know, that's the great advantage for FedEx is that over the last 53 years, we have built this global network. And I mean network in the truest of sense. people use the word very loosely sometimes, is the ability to pick up a package from any one point in the world and get it to any other point in the world.
6:04There are only two or three companies you can do that, and we do it the best. So we had that scaled physical network. So if a company was thinking of moving their supply chain from A to B before, and they're now moving from P to Q, well, we are an A, B, P, and Q. And so we already have that established network. So that was the first thing. The second thing is the operational aspect of it, because we are unlike other companies. We're actually involved in moving the goods across the border. That's our job. That's what we were set up to do. And that became increasingly more complicated. But this is where, you know, when, you know, before basic math would have done.
6:41Now you need advanced calculus and we do advanced calculus. This is what we do for a living. So, ironically, this became an advantage, even though we had to hire a lot of new people, because the number of packages that had to be formally cleared through customs went up six or sevenfold, and we had to hire about a couple of thousand people to make sure that that happened. So operationally, we had to make some changes, but again, we had an advantage because of the experience and expertise that we have. And then thirdly is the digital intelligence. Just imagine, for every country, to every other country, for every commodity, you need a clear and scored information.
7:16We have it, again, through the dint of practice and our experience. And here's where Gen.ai came very handy. If you try to ship this shirt to UK tomorrow, there are probably 50 different classification codes that you may have to choose from. But because of our experience, we can just suggest to you which ones you should use, for example. And we've done it for small and medium customers, and we are trying to take that practice up as well. So those are the three elements of changes that we have seen. And, you know, it's a while very complex, This is when people who really know what they're doing can step up to the plate.
7:52FedEx employs roughly half a million people around the world, and it runs a fleet of roughly 200 ,000 trucks and 700 planes. And it operates across more than 200 countries and territories. To stay ahead, the company has spent the past several years overhauling its massive network through a transformation known as DRIVE. By consolidating local routes and operations, as well as using AI to predict shipping disruptions, the company has cut billions of dollars in operational costs. Investors have certainly taken notice. In 2026, FedEx's market value surpassed UPS for the first time in the company's history.
8:27For carriers like FedEx, speed and efficiency are key differentiators in the competitive landscape. And it all starts with getting a single package from point A to point B. People see the FedEx driver show up at their door. Yeah. But really, how does a package get from point A to point B in the simplest form? You make it seem easy and almost magical. It just appears a couple days after you send it. But what goes on behind the scenes at FedEx? So obviously that's what we do, but it just depends upon where it's starting and where it's ending now. It could start at another end of the world, and it could be in any zip code in America, for example.
9:02If that's the case, then obviously it starts off on the pickup side. we have a FedEx service and a courier and a driver just like you see in your you know here and you know the you know it eventually gets to the to the air ramp in that's in that city and the flight you know let's let's say is from Japan you know and if we're getting it to let's say Michigan then you know it'll probably come here to Memphis that night you know it's sorted in our huge hub that we have here and then gets on a plane to Michigan the next day and then let's say Detroit, and then there's a whole process that happens from the air ramp to the courier who gets it to the final deliveries.
9:47So that's a whole orchestration that has to happen, and you just multiply that by every origin, every destination in the world, and you see the infrastructure that's required to move that. So it just depends upon where it's coming from. If it's coming from Chicago to Detroit overnight, then probably it goes on a truck. for a couple of days service, or if you really want it by 1030, then it comes from Memphis and back to Detroit. So depending upon the service requirements and the expectations, from every point to every other point in the world, we have a sophisticated network of possibilities to get that package to the end destination.
10:25It sounds easy, but clearly it's obviously not, especially with all the data. Two terabytes. Two petabytes. I don't even know how many, that sounds like a lot. Yeah, many, many zeros. And I was listening to an interview, you said, I wake up every morning and I say a little prayer, because unpredictability is plaguing every CEO right now. There's never been more that's harder to predict as a leader of any company. But at FedEx, with all this logistics involved, I'm sure I would be saying many, many prayers. So what is a day in the life like of you? How does your day tend to unfold? Well, see, first of all, to answer that specific thing, we are a very kinetic organization.
11:08And that's the great thing about FedEx. We are in motion pretty much every second of the day in every corner of the world. So the great thing about that is we have a fantastic team around the world steeped in FedEx culture. 500 ,000 people? 500 ,000 folks. And so that actually, you know, that part of it, I know we will take care of it. is just that some of the external environments, if they change and we have to think about how the network adjusts to something happening, that's where we have to keep managing and monitoring. Again, we have a superb team from an engineering organization perspective and our frontline operations that really keep it running and great leadership that makes it happen every single day.
11:55To the other question about what do I do, that's an interesting question because actually I realized after I took this job that the most important currency that I have is time. So I actually sat down and thought about it. I said, what is my role exactly? And so I determined that, first of all, it's to guide the strategic direction of the company, obviously. Second is create an execution framework, you know, that is not having to deal with every deal, but have the framework for execution. Make sure you have the right set of folks around the table to make this happen. and then be the guardian of the culture of FedEx and then represent the company well internally and externally, which I'm hopefully doing right now.
12:36So that's how I parcel my time. And more or less, it follows those patterns. But of course, sometimes you're going to have to jump in on certain emergencies. Yeah, I mean, I think that's such a good insight that your time is your most valuable resource that you have. And everybody wants a piece of you when you're the CEO and you have to be really diligent about it's that meeting one of my priorities. It's helping me be the external voice or the culture setter or what have you. I'm curious, you've been in the job for now a few years and previously you were the COO and the president. How different is it to be in the CEO seat versus one of those?
13:13I would have thought time management, you know, you probably getting to the C-suite had to figure that out. Yes, no, time management, that's exactly right. But the roles have changed. So as president and COO, and increasingly over time, our founder, Fred Smith, had handed off more and more responsibilities. So when the time came, I said, okay, this is one more step up, but I can do this. But no, the whole thing changed. The world changed. The number of stakeholders that were demanding your attention was completely different and more numerous than I anticipated. So that's why I had to rethink and figure out, how do I parcel my time?
13:52And actually having to say no a heck of a lot more. and really prioritized. That was very, because if you try to do everything, it's not possible. But this takes it to a whole other level. And that was very important. And again, you know, the fact that I was president and COO for three years before, that was a huge help. But, you know, this is a whole different level. Yeah. And, you know, Fred was the legendary founder of FedEx. He created it in the 70s. and unfortunately passed away a year ago, but I know he's a great mentor and friend to you as well. What is it like taking the reins from a legendary founder?
14:31I mean, that is daunting, I would imagine, to step into the CEO job of a Fortune 50 company, let alone to be the second CEO in the company's history. Yeah, well, I consider it a great privilege to have had that opportunity to take over from our founder. I always say that I can see far because I'm standing on the shoulder of a giant. The preparation for the handover was over a period of time, as Fred was always extremely well planned and thinking through things ahead of time. And so this transition was also equally well planned. And so there was no surprise. So when the appointment, when I got appointed as president and CEO, that was when the transition started, really.
15:23And he kidnapped you on his jet somewhere, right? No, he asked me to show up on, he was traveling to Los Angeles, and he said, you know, I've checked your calendar, you're doing nothing, be there. So that's when I got the word that I was going to take over. So it was quite an interesting trip for sure. Raj Subramaniam's journey with FedEx had an unusual start. In 1991, his roommate backed out of a campus interview with FedEx recruiters. So Raj called to see if he could take the spot instead. He was then offered a job as associate marketing analyst. Three decades later, he became the second CEO in the company's 55-year history, succeeding founder Fred Smith.
16:04Did he tell you then that you'd be the CEO and this would be the first step as CEO? Well, it was quite well understood at that point that this is a stepping stone. Nothing was guaranteed, of course, but there's a stepping stone into the job. So there was no, it was pretty clear to the internal and external world that this was the path that was going to be. Only the timing was only the question. So, you know, I think that was just when I stepped into the CEO role, it was very, you know, So he handled the transition so beautifully, so well, from a communications perspective, from a mentoring perspective.
16:40It was very clear. He told me from the very beginning that you're now the final decision maker on anything. We can debate anything you want. But at the end of the day, if this is the direction you're headed, then you're the final call. So it was great. We talked about a lot of things. And one of the things that he and I had a conversation about was I told him that a lot of things might change about whether we have new technology, we may have new people, we may buy new companies. But one thing that is not going to change is the FedEx culture. And that's why I came to work here in the first place.
17:17That's why I come to work every single day. That's the special thing. And, you know, Fred gets a credit for a lot of different things, but he doesn't get nearly enough credit for creating this phenomenal culture that we have at FedEx from the very founding of the company. And so that's one thing that's a constant for us. Yeah, I was going to ask you about the culture, because to execute in the way that you guys need to, you have to be kind of uniform. And I've heard you say, you know, no matter what country you're in, the language of FedEx is the same. And so what is it about the culture that gets you all to execute?
17:49What did he instill and what are you instilling? Yeah, well, first of all, we are a service business. And so this principle of what we call people service profit, you take care of your people. They provide outstanding customer service, which turns into profit for the company, which you reinvest back in the people. That's the unending cycle of PSP. Well, that's, you know, it's not something woolly-headed over. It's actually a hard-nosed business proposition. Because imagine somebody was doing a job just enough not to get fired versus going above and beyond the call of duty to deliver an outstanding experience, which we call the Purple Promise.
18:33That's the difference between failure and success. And you do it 18 million packages a day. That's really the hallmark of FedEx. So I have had the opportunity to live and work and travel different parts of the world. And I always find myself like the language of the country may be different, but the language of FedEx is the same. It all goes back to the fundamentals of humanity. You respect the individual. You make sure people understand what is important to be done and what we expect from them. And you reward and recognize the right behavior. it cuts across humanity no matter where you are. And that's the heartbeat of the FedEx culture.
19:14And it's just fabulous. And, you know, that's really, you know, that's the foundation from which everything springs from. And did you say Purple Promise? What's that? Yeah. Purple Promise is we make every FedEx experience outstanding. And hopefully you stop any FedEx person anywhere in the world and ask them what the Purple Promise does give you that answer. Amazing. I'm going to try that next time one shows up at my house. Maybe I'll send my son out to do it. Okay, good. So your rise at FedEx is really inspiring. There's not many people, although there are a few Fortune 500 CEOs that this is the case for, that started, as you described, the lowest person on the totem pole at FedEx, your first job really, that you had.
19:50And now you're the CEO. That's the kind of mobility that I think people hope for when they join an American corporation. But you've actually done it. At what point? Well, first off, could you just tell me how you got to FedEx in the first place? So you and I are fellow Syracuse grads, and I know you're from India. But why FedEx? How did you get here? Yeah, well, I'm glad that I'm talking to a Syracuse grad. You go orange, I guess. I was, you know, my first port of call from moving from India was to Syracuse. And I had not seen temperatures below 80 degrees before I moved here, and then surely got surprised when I got to Syracuse.
20:26It was so cold. It got buried in snow. Yes, but it was great fun. You know, it was a great experience. But yeah, I was doing my MBA at University of Texas at Austin. And at that point, really, 1991 was a recession, and jobs were hard to come by. And my roommate at that time had decided to go back to India. So anyway, when I was walking into the apartment, I heard him on the phone. He's like, no, I can't do that. And he hung out the phone. I said, what's going on? He said, that's FedEx calling. and that it was for an interview, but he has obviously decided to leave the country, so he was like, no, you can't do it.
21:07I immediately picked up the phone and said, give me the number. And I called over and said, just talk to my roommate. He doesn't want to do the interview, but I'm still here. Can I send you my resume? And they said, okay, and the rest is history. So that's how I got started at FedEx and is at the lowest level here in Memphis, who I didn't know anything about Memphis at that time. But it was great. It was a great opportunity. We started off in the international, at that point, international marketing, but the international business was a fledgling business, so you get to do a lot of things when that's small, and it's a great opportunity.
21:47So that's how we got here. Interesting. And at what point in the career path did you think, whoa, actually maybe the C-suite could be something I could aspire to, and I want to be on that path? Well, I think in my particular case is that pretty much every job that I've gotten, maybe with the exception of one or so, was somebody said, yep, I want you to do this. I kind of move around, whether geography or job responsibilities. And, you know, I was given multiple opportunities, and I just took it. And, you know, it was a great learning experience, whether it's living in different geographies or doing different jobs.
22:30So I was just learning and growing. I mean, I naturally wanted continuous learning as my thing. And so it was always exciting to take on something new. So only when I got to the job as the president of FedEx Canada, it was about 2003, when I was in a senior role, I realized, oh, this is starting to look pretty interesting now. because I get a general management kind of role, got the title of president of FedEx Canada. That's probably when I first thought, okay, this could lead to something. And so at what point did you realize there was an arrow in the FedEx logo? Well, we moved from the original Federal Express branding to FedEx.
23:12I think it was in the early 90s when this was the case. and the agency that was doing the work, they unveiled a new logo, but they pointedly did not mention the arrow. They wanted it to be a discovery. And there was one person in the room who actually saw the arrow instantly, and that was Fred Smith. So he said, well, that's an arrow. And then there you go. Then once you see the arrow, you can't unsee it, right? So it's incredible. It's a party trick even now because a lot of people I know have never seen the arrow in that FedEx logo, and it reveals itself when you actually look at it, so it's great.
23:52Yeah, it's not surprising, I guess, to hear that the founder, of course, is the person who recognized it, and the only reason I know about it is because I was an advertising major, and it was like a logo we studied in class, and I was like, whoa, look at that. Now I can never look at a FedEx truck the same again. Yeah, the arrow, once you see the arrow, you just simply can't see it. It's great, but a lot of people I still realize is they haven't seen that arrow between the E and the X. So, you know, when you're at a company for as long as you've been here at FedEx, I feel like you definitely can drink the Kool-Aid and you can become part of the culture.
24:22But when it's your turn to lead, how do you keep the ideas fresh? And how do you know where to take the company once it's finally your turn in the seat? And how did you work that out with Fred? It sounds like he gave you a great leg up by saying, look, this is your company now, and I'll be here to support you. But they're your decisions. That's such a great thing for him to do. Well, you know, the great thing is that change has always been part of our culture. And if you don't like change, you're going to hate extinction. And so that's never been a problem. It's just always, we've always been this underdog.
24:56You know, differentiation and driving change was always the game. And so when we were expanding or creating new value for our customers or innovating, there's always change. So it's just the next era of change is all the way I think about it. So, you know, when the time is right for a change, we have to make the change. And the team is ready for that. And as long as the mission is clear and timelines are certain, things get done. And so that's kind of where we are. And we are in an era of transformation of FedEx. The time was ready. I mean, it was time to move, to make those kind of changes. And that's what we did.
25:37Since taking the helm, Raj has led some of the biggest changes in FedEx's history, including the creation of a digital twin of the company's global network, a virtual model that maps millions of packages, routes, and logistics nodes in real time. That technology helps FedEx use AI to predict disruptions caused by tariff volatility, geopolitical tensions, and talent shortage. and it optimizes deliveries by managing inventory and logistics flow. This change is expected to save$2 billion by 2027 and generate about$6 billion in cash flow by 2029. And so there's three different transformations happening under the DRIVE initiative at FedEx, if I understand.
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26:15Well, you know, so we have, what we had to do in the shadow of the pandemic was to firstly reduce structural cost. and that was hard to do, but we had to do it. I mean, just the business just, you know, after the pandemic high, you know, it kind of was definitely across the world, you know, we started to come back. So we had to bring down structural costs. Once we knew that was a mission, the team just did an amazingly brilliant job. Billions of dollars of structural cost reduction in the last four years. I just couldn't be prouder of a team because that's not easy to do, right? It's not variable cost.
26:53It's structural, true cost that goes gone that's not coming back. So we did that. But that's not the most exciting part. The exciting part was the transformation. The transformation has got three components of it. And the first one was the network transformation. We have in the U.S. domestic, we have what we call Network 2.0. We are bringing both the erstwhile express network and the ground networks into one common network in the United States. Easier said than done. It's easy to say. It sounds like from the outside, I'm like, yeah, of course they should be the same. Well, there was a reason why it was different.
27:28And I can talk about that because before, primarily the packages were B2B business. And we were, you know, our number of stops or a lot of stops were business stops. Meaning I'm coming to this building and I have two trucks, one delivering 10 packages, another delivering six packages. But everything else is optimized. And it worked just fine. In fact, we gained market share in the ground parcel business for 52 straight quarters. And so we were a 10 % market share at the turn of the century. And our gap in the market share was 70 points versus the nearest competitor was 70 points. That's now single digits.
28:09So, you know, that's what happened because of that. But as e-commerce started to grow, the number of stops at residences started to go up. So now we're going with one truck with one package and the other truck with the other package. Now that doesn't work. So it was the business evolution that we knew we had to make this change. And that's why we created FedEx Express. We bought this company, Caliber Systems, in 98, which was FedEx Grounds, so two separate units. But now we had to bring it together. And time was right to do that. So that was the network transformation. We're also using the same time frame to do a transformation internationally.
28:54And I won't go through the details of it. Suffice it to say that what we call tricolor is incredibly timed perfectly right. Because without that, we couldn't have done so well during this period of time with a lot of supply chain patterns changing. I'll tell you the evidence. In the last quarter we just finished, we had a 5 % increase in volume. but number of flight hours actually went down, which means more density through our system. So that's working. So this is the network transformation. You also have an organizational part of the transformation because you're now collapsing all these different organizations into one FedEx.
29:31And that makes us much, much more efficient, but also, more importantly, much more effective. And then we have this digital transformation, again, pointing to the fact, the intelligence that we have about the global supply chain is valuable in its own asset while we are modernizing our technology at the same time. So all these three elements are underway. I know it's a lot of work, but I'm just being delighted how the team has rallied to the cause. The mission is clear, and we're just executing right now, and it's working. And it's great when a plan comes together. Definitely. And how long do you think before the total transformation of FedEx is complete?
30:09Well, you know, in essence, you know, this is an ongoing journey, but our network transformation, what we call network 2.0, we will be wrapped by end of next year. The fall of 2027 is our target. We are right on target. We are 45 % of the way done. By the end of this calendar year, we'll be 65 % way done. And so that's our target is to get that done by that period of time. Having said that, it's also not the end. It's actually the beginning because now it gives us a lot more opportunities than to optimize across the air and the surface going forward. So that leads to the next level of things we can do.
30:48But this element will be done by 27. The organizational, we already put the organization together. It's already done. But I think we are in the early innings in terms of what we can create in terms of effectiveness of this one FedEx. I would say over the next two years, we will see the benefits of that coming. And the digital transformation, I think it's, again, it's an ongoing thing, but I think we plan to lay the infrastructure down over the next two to three years. So we are about halfway in this journey, and it's, like I said, it's great to see the plan come together. Yeah, and I wanted to talk about the data layer that you're building for FedEx.
31:28It was a journey you started pre-AI craze, and now it seems like a no-brainer with AI and all that it's capable of doing. When did you realize how powerful the data you were collecting is and that that could be a product in and of itself? How is that revenue line growing? Yeah, well, that realization was in early 2020. Actually, I have a smart young person in our organization who wrote me a white paper. So I didn't know him very well at that time. and just sent me the paper. So it was in October of 2019. And I asked him to come and see me and walk me through what he's writing. Basically, the premise was the data we're sitting on is very, very important and valuable.
32:06Oh, no, by the way, right now it's an exhaust. And it's not being really collected in the right places or engineered the right way. So, you know, that was a wake-up call. I guess I had the good sense to understand that I was onto something here. So we put about eight people in downtown Memphis in a building, and I just said, go build the infrastructure to make this happen. And it started there, and I had this incredible set of young folks who kind of joined that effort. And it was really incredible that we started building our data platform. And then we saw the benefits that came right out of it.
32:50In fact, we couldn't have done our network integration without that, because that was the one that kind of blurred the boundaries of all these organizations and companies. They were just packages, packages, packages, package construct. So then comes AI. I mean, two and a half years later, of course, the fuel for AI is data. And everyone's talking about AI, about publicly available data. but there is the proprietary data, the tacit intelligence that every company has. That's really, really important. And to extract value from that, you need to have your data engineered and organized. You just can't wave your wand and say, oh, I mean, so luckily we are already two and a half years down the road on this journey.
33:39Another bet FedEx is placing on AI is to stop shipping disruptions before they happen. A supply chain disruption is a domino effect where a local issue such as a component shortage, a labor strike, or a geopolitical event can ripple through a network. By 2028, the company expects to have AI integrated into the majority of its core operations. A key part of this strategy is the partnership with ServiceNow, feeding real-time logistics data into enterprise software. The goal is to help business detect delays earlier and respond sooner. For the rest of us, it means a supply chain that's faster, more reliable, and better equipped to handle the unexpected.
34:18So we started then using this AI, and I think the way I see it, it's a no-brainer. We're going to use AI to improve the efficiency of our back office operation. We have to do it necessary, but that's not what excites me. What excites me is what we are doing to optimize our networks, for example. We're using deep learning models to really optimize our flows of packages. You asked the question earlier, how does a package get from one place to another? Just multiply that by 18 million every single night. The other thing that's even more exciting is we are now providing valuable predictive and visibility solutions for the high-value goods supply chain.
35:04And that's winning more business on the transportation side. Now, we are nearly$10 billion of business for healthcare right now. That is a substantial growth in the last three, four years. And these technology and tools that we're building in AI is already helping drive more business to FedEx. So that's actually terrific for us. And then thirdly, we're using technology as a value creator in its own right. So we are now established partnership with Drun and Bradstreet. We are working with ServiceNow. We are starting to externalize some of our services we're already doing on route optimization. We know more about route optimization than probably anybody else, but other companies need it.
35:44We're going to have predictive maintenance capabilities that we can start to externalize. Customs clearance capabilities we can externalize. So those are those kind of things. And then ultimately, I do want to go up even higher in the value chain, especially on supply chain orchestration. There's$1.8 trillion of inefficiency in global supply chains today. And we think we can, because of the intelligence that we have and the expertise that we have, we think we can make a dent of that. So that's the longer-term vision for that. So this is a journey we've got started in 2020. We've made a lot of progress, but we have a long way to go.
36:23The best is yet to come. Yeah, that's really exciting. It's$1.8 trillion? $1.8 trillion of supply chain inefficiencies. because just the goods are in the wrong place. They have obsolescence. They have wastage. Especially the value of the goods we're talking about, each of these things, health care, electronics. It's not letters. It's definitely not letters. There's a small percentage, but no, like defense things and health care. Those are big parts of what you do. Yeah, so we moved$2 trillion of commerce, and obviously the value per pound of the things we move are very high. So the other thing people think about is, when is an autonomous truck going to be delivering my goods or I suppose even an autonomous plane?
37:05What do you see for the future of autonomous vehicles within FedEx and what timeline? So we have been working with a company called Aurora over the last few years. You know, actually have 700 ,000 autonomous miles already driven with, of course, this time with the driver next to it. You know, but we're testing the technology. And so we're proving it out. the important thing is that, you know, you have to combine the technology with the assets on the ground that FedEx has got. So, you know, in essence, you know, the first place to try these things are on the highway, right? You don't expect an autonomous truck driving on your street.
37:44But we can go to, we have so many points in the country. We can just go point to point there, and then a human driver can take it out for the local delivery. So that's also an important component of that. So we're testing that. I would say we're, you know, we've been happy with what we've seen, but there's still some ways to go to finally to get to the, prove it out and make it fully autonomous without the driver there. So at least a few more years. I would say, yeah, a few more years, I think. And I'm sure, you know, on the back end with loading trucks and things like that, you're doing all sorts of testing.
38:19Well, that's a completely separate effort. If you go to our largest surface hubs that we have, it's these huge facilities, and it is actually fully automated. And the only place where it is not automated is truck unloading and truck loading. Once it's in the system, it comes out to the other side in a matter of minutes, and there's no human being touching it. So it is the place where there's the more difficult jobs of the truck loading and truck unloading. So when I was up in Silicon Valley about four or five years ago, I started hearing about robotics development, especially in the age of AI.
39:04And we started working with some of these companies. And lo and behold, we now have solutions actually working in our facilities to do this truck loading and truck unloading. and it's actually working. And so we've got to get through a few more steps here, but I would envision that we will be scaling something like that more broadly into our smartphone facilities, working hand-in-hand with our team members to make their jobs easier. And so this is something that hopefully could come in the next couple of years. That's amazing. Yeah, people talk about robotics or I guess in nerd speak it's physical AI.
39:41Yeah, physical AI. That's what's coming. and amazing that you guys are already starting to implement that. Yeah, no, this is real physical AI. I mean, if you really think about it, trying to load a truck with packages of different shapes, sizes, weights, and displaying Tetris. That's an extremely complicated robotics problem to solve, and it's only because of the advances in AI that it's been able to solve that. It works. it's actually, to see if we see it in action, it's actually quite interesting. It figures out, it's got a view of what the next set of packages are coming down the belt and it kind of maps it out where it needs to go and it starts to put it in there.
40:25Is it a startup you're working with? Yes. What's the company? One is called Dexterity and they are on the package loading and then we have a company called Berkshire Gray on the loading side. A huge thing also that you just accomplished was spinning out FedEx Freight into its own business, its own publicly traded company. And I think there's lots of reasons why that makes sense. I'm curious from the leadership perspective of how you execute that, get buy-in from everybody, and make it a reality. Yeah, I think it was a non-obvious solution to the front end, but when we looked at the logic of why it makes sense, it's the ability to focus on a segment, provide the right customer experience and the right technology You just focus only on that LTL segment without optimizing, having to optimize across, you know, parcel, worldwide.
41:18You just focus on North America, focus on the LTL segment. And, you know, there's a lot of value to be had by doing that. And once it was clear that this was the direction that needed to go, that's one of the great, fantastic things about FedEx. This is the alpha of FedEx, I would say, is once the mission is clear and once the timeline is certain, it gets done. And so I'm just extremely thankful for the incredible team that simply got on the mission and executed flawlessly to get here. And so far, so good. We have FedEx Freight now is trading as an independent company. They have their first earnings call coming up here.
42:04I'm glad that we decided to do it, but also extremely glad that we got through the implementation phase, execution phase, so well. So you mentioned earlier that both you and Fred have said, one of the sayings here at FedEx is, if you don't like change, you're going to really hate extinction. From your vantage point, what is the biggest threat that you're trying to fight against here at FedEx? Well, for me, it's much more of an opportunity. I'm a believer in making sure we continuously need to differentiate our services versus customers. We are a customer-centric organization. Every company has got their core strengths.
42:46Some are engineering-oriented, some are whatever, but finance-oriented. We are a customer-centric organization. So we put ourselves in the shoes of a customer. We think of World Valley proposition that we can offer that others cannot. So that is our constant challenge is to how do we differentiate? And now we have to put in both the physical and the digital and how they work together. And again, because of the way the world is changing, our expertise becomes even more important in this space. So we are very, I think, in the most broadest sense, how we become the heartbeat of the industrial economy and make supply chain smarter for everyone because we can do specific service in this regard.
43:32And so that's what's excited us. I mean, it's less of a threat, more of an opportunity. And before the pandemic, the word supply chain, I mean, really was not in anybody's lexicon. And it was maybe in the realm of the procurement manager, maybe the CFO. but ever since the pandemic supply chains have become a you know boardroom conversation and suddenly what we do became cool you know and so we evolved our vision to make supply chains smarter for everyone and that's something and so we are now constantly driving ourselves to make sure how do we do that for our customers so that's what this keeps us excited and how do we differentiate and i guess lastly i would ask you for advice for the future generation of fortune 500 CEOs.
44:24Say there's someone, a future Raj, sitting in FedEx somewhere who's maybe 10, 15 years out from the ability to get the top job. What would you say they need to do to prepare, and what advice would you have for them now that you are the CEO of a Fortune 500? Yeah, I think, first of all, the role of the CEO continues to evolve. That's definitely not a fixed target in that sense. So you have to have that appreciation that what exactly is it, or at least what you think it's going to be. So I think if someone has aspirations to be a CEO of any company, I think it's important, first of all, to truly understand what it is going to take to the extent you can, of course, with the assumption that it is going to change, but at least understand what it means in the truest sense.
45:13It's not just me talking to you, to, Alison. There's a lot of other things that happen. So they have to understand that, do they really want it? I mean, that's a big question. The only individuals can have to answer for themselves because there's a lot of stress and sacrifice that goes with it. And they have to really ask themselves that question, is it, do you really want it? And once you say yes to that, okay, then you have to go about preparing to do those different aspects of job and I think the for me what has helped is some curious mindset you know never be judgmental there's a fine line between curiosity and judgment have a curious mindset be able to adapt to what's coming have this continuous learning mindset and maybe take some calculated risks along the way you know as we move along here so I think it's it's it's really important that you first really have to want it and truly understand what it's going to take.
46:12Yeah, I think that's such a good point of the really wanting it. And actually, there's a lot of executives now that when we ask them in rooms at Fortune, do you want to be on the CEO path? They won't raise their hands. I think there's such a complex world that people are navigating. It can be intimidating. And I know you're on the road like three out of five days or something, too. There's a lot involved. Well, travel is constant. That's just what it is at this point, especially in our business. with so many different stakeholders and global at that. So that's a given. I mean, you just need to be comfortable with jet lag.
46:44That's just a given. But there are so many other aspects of the job these days and all the stakeholders. So again, I mean, like I said, it's exciting. It's accelerating. It's challenging all at the same time. But you've got to truly know in your heart that you want it. Well, Raj, thank you so much for spending the time with us. Thank you very much, Allison. I appreciate you being here. Yes, likewise.
From the publisher
For the first time in the company's history, FedEx has surpassed UPS in market value. Handling roughly 18 million packages a day, FedEx is acutely aware of how tariffs and geopolitical tensions have disrupted the global supply chain. As it enters its AI era, the company is leveraging artificial intelligence to predict and address these obstacles head-on.
In this episode, Fortune Editor-in-Chief Alyson Shontell sits down with FedEx CEO Raj Subramaniam to discuss how AI is transforming logistics, how tariffs, geopolitical tensions, and shifting manufacturing hubs are reshaping global supply chains, and what's next for one of the world's largest transportation companies.
00:00 Introduction
01:08 How FedEx Sees the Global Economy
06:21 How a Package Travels Around the World
08:21 Leading 500,000 Employees
16:54 From Entry-Level Analyst to CEO
20:24 Leading Change at FedEx
21:43 Reinventing a 50-Year-Old Company
28:20 Why FedEx Is Betting Big on AI
33:17 The Future of Autonomous Delivery
38:51 Leadership Advice for the Next Generation of CEOs
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