Alfie's Best Friends (aka Actors Naomi Snieckus and Matt Baram)

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1:39Matt Baram: I want to crate train them just in case we have to travel. Yeah. And every night, Naomi says, let's just keep them on the bed. Let's just have them on the bed. Let's just have them. That's enough. Like, how long are we going to really pull off this whole crate idea?

1:52Naomi Snieckus: Has that slippery slope landed in your bed yet?

1:56Matt Baram: No, but I'm in a crate.

2:03Naomi Snieckus: I'm Jen Moroz, and this is Furball Confidential. I'm so excited to tell you that we have not just one, but two dog-loving humans on the podcast today. Naomi Sneekes and Matt Barham are incredibly funny, award-winning actors, writers, and improvisers. They're a couple in real life, but often on stage too. And their latest production, Big Stuff, is on tour now. It's about the stuff that's left behind when someone we love dies.

2:32Matt Baram: Two things happened to us at the same time. One, we felt this big hole in our lives. Yeah, and two, we had to figure out what we were going to do with all of their stuff.

2:40Naomi Snieckus: And in my opinion, it's a must-see. You may also recognize Naomi and Matt from their work on screen. Naomi played phys ed teacher Bobby for many seasons on Mr. D, where she sort of developed a reputation for her flirting skills, or lack thereof.

2:57Matt Baram: Have I told you? Told me what? I'm single. Okay. And you're single too, right? Yeah, my ex-wife kind of broke my heart real bad.

3:05Naomi Snieckus: Yeah, that's great. Naomi also hosts a podcast called Firecracker Department, which has grown into an online community connecting women and non-binary artists. As for Matt, you might have caught him in shows like Umbrella Academy or Supergirl.

3:20Matt Baram: You can do more than give me my old life back. You can give me a better one. And I can help you.

3:32Naomi Snieckus: Matt and Naomi met at Second City in Toronto. They each had a dog at the time, and they've pretty much had dogs ever since. Alfie is the current apple of their eyes. and so we start with him and get right down to the hard-hitting questions

3:52Naomi Snieckus: so this is oh this is Alfie and for those of you who are listening and not watching right now um I call him an adorable Muppet because he looks like a Muppet to me how would you guys describe uh Alfie to those folks out there who are listening not watching right this right at

4:09Matt Baram: this moment well he's a cockapoo he wants to be cockapoo but he looks more like a golden doodle in the traditional golden sense but he looks like a stuffed animal like he looks like just like a cute stuffed animal that's just a bucket of joy like he's fozzy the bear yeah couldn't talk and

4:31Naomi Snieckus: just chewed all over my shoes yeah yeah that's what this guy would be oh is he he's a big he's a big chewer of shoes.

4:39Matt Baram: No, he's six months, right? So he's like, every once in a while he'll be really quiet and you'll be like, he's got something and it's usually one of our shoes and he's just cradling it. It's really he will chew your shoes like over mine. I kind of get a bit jealous about that. You shouldn't be. You'd be like thrilled not to have the holes in your shoes that I have.

5:00Naomi Snieckus: I've seen you guys both on social media.

5:03Matt Baram: Yes.

5:03Naomi Snieckus: You both quite love this puppy But who would you say is the most smitten with Alfie?

5:09Matt Baram: I think Matt is. Like, I hear Matt when I'm not in the room talking to him. And he's like, I love you. Like, he's so sweet. It's so sweet. You are. You're pretty smitten with him. You know what? I just feel like I'm finally centered and ready to commit myself to a dog. I've had dogs. Yeah. This one seems like I have the patience and the presence to really connect. You are very patient with him. Yeah, sometimes. But most of the time. No, you're very good. Yeah. So, yeah, we bonded, but you guys are very connected. I mean, I'll do the cuddling in the family. You know what I mean? Like, I have put treats in my pocket.

5:52Matt Baram: And whenever I get a chance, I'm, like, training him to snuzzle. So that's my job in the family.

5:59Naomi Snieckus: There's no discipline in my world, but lots of cuddling. It's all cuddles. Oh, so that's the division of labor. So Matt, are you like the discipline disciplinarian too, or how does it work?

6:10Matt Baram: Well, I, I feel like I'm more on top of walk training.

6:13Naomi Snieckus: Yeah.

6:14Matt Baram: And, uh, you know, I, I want to crate train them just in case we have to travel and it keeps them safe. And Naomi's like every night, Naomi says, let's just keep them on the bed. Let's just have them on the bed. It's just happening. That's enough. Like, how long are we going to really pull off this whole crate idea?

6:33Naomi Snieckus: So listen, has that slippery slope landed in your bed yet?

6:38Matt Baram: No, but I'm in a crate.

6:44Matt Baram: And I've never been happier. But it's actually very funny. I feel very safe. I would love, like, our other dogs, not Murphy, because he was huge, but Rufus slept with us all the time. And he was smaller, but it was delightful because he would spoon like he was just sweet little being he was the big spoon yeah oh little rufus that does the discipline walking stuff i'll do games like i'm teaching alfie like high five and jump through the hoop and roll over and those kind of fun things which are not going to help you

7:18Naomi Snieckus: in an emergency situation but but it turns you does that make you fun parent or no i think so

7:26Matt Baram: Oh yeah, she's a fun parent.

7:29Naomi Snieckus: You mentioned Matt, like you have the presence of mind now for a dog and it's different this time. What was it about your, your life that made it time to bring in Alfie?

7:41Matt Baram: We had just finished writing a play together. Yeah, but we actually, Alfie came along a week before we closed our play. So he spent his first week with us in our dressing room.

7:54Naomi Snieckus: I remember that.

7:55Matt Baram: Right. And then he would come up to the audience afterwards and I'd pass him around the audience. But really, like I'm leading up to that, though, we didn't have any space in our lives, in our brains, no, to have a dog in our lives. And people kept reminding us how hard it is to bring a puppy. It's a lot of work, you know, work and they're right. They are a lot of work. They are a lot of work. But here's the thing. You could always make excuses not to get a dog. Like we could have gone, let's wait, let's wait. Because, and then suddenly we're like, let's just go for it and we'll sort the rest out.

8:28Matt Baram: And it was like the perfect timing, actually. We wanted to space some time away from Rufus's passing. A little bit, yeah.

8:36Naomi Snieckus: Which was about a year before, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

8:40Matt Baram: We went according to the Talmudic laws. What? The morning. And then we, and he was 21.

8:50Naomi Snieckus: I knew he was old I couldn't I didn't remember he was 21 21 and it was only in his last six

8:55Matt Baram: months that he stopped being like bounding like a puppy like he's like I'm kind of done when he did like that was that van diesel when he does the splits on the on the on the kitchen sink I think you're thinking of one of the vans but he was like fantastic so yeah it took us some time to kind of get back into the realm of having a puppy around. Yeah, he could drink at a Dave & Buster's. He was that old. He was that old. Yeah.

9:26Naomi Snieckus: And I was lucky enough to know Rufus there at the end and RIP that beautiful little soul. Yeah. And I'd love to know more about Rufus. We will get to Rufus more as a younger dog, but I'm curious in terms of having a puppy, you mentioned Big Stuff, and I'm just going to give a big old plug for Big Stuff in this conversation because it is a beautiful play the play that Matt and Naomi were just talking about finishing when they got Alfie it is this beautiful story of them as a couple and ending up as orphans and all of the things in your life that you hang on to because they have a connection to the people that you love and it's beautiful and it's poignant and it's so relatable and look out for it because it's going to be coming to a city near you I'm sure um but coming down from a big experience like that you were just finishing big stuff you'd written it you're both crazy to begin crazy busy to begin with but um and crazy maybe no but you just finished coming off of this like big huge thing and I know that can be a huge let down um for artists and and how did Alfie play into that part of things was it helpful yeah it

10:47Matt Baram: was kind of the perfect thing right because you finish I mean really we don't really finish projects we just shift it to some shift our attention to something else so I've never felt that lull I was worried about this one I was like oh I think I'm gonna really be sad but we've kind of just rolled it into the next thing and then Alfie came along so we were like well let's just hang out with this cute little muppet 24 hours a day and do a little training and hang out with each other. And it was kind of perfect. Yeah. It's also symbolic too, right. Of, of, of bringing new life into our world. Um, you know, not physically, but, but bringing like a soul into our lives and into our hearts because we had just lost our parents and our, our dog.

11:37Naomi Snieckus: Whose last name did Alfie take?

11:41Matt Baram: Well, it's a hyphenated.

11:43Naomi Snieckus: Okay.

11:44Matt Baram: It's Alfonso Sneakers Barum, but, you know, his birth certificate is Alfie. I call him Alfie Doodle, so I don't even know if he has a last name. Yeah, you're right. He may not. Alfie. Alfie Doodle. But, you know, it feels like the more we get to know him, he's a Barum. You know what I mean?

12:05Naomi Snieckus: Yeah, I think you might be right. oh really okay yeah he's got in what sense he can't hold down his food okay he has a bit of

12:15Matt Baram: the ibs he's got he's got social um anxiety yeah he has he um yeah he's just a lovely smart kind generous wow that's that's i've never seen who takes after dad i've never heard you speaks so well on yourself. That's so nice. Yeah. What do you say? Yeah, no, I think you're right. We don't really give last names to our dogs though. Although someone the other day thought when they saw Alfie on camera that it was you. No, he didn't. They didn't think it was me. They said that theory of when your dog looks like you. I took it as a compliment because he's horrible. He's gorgeous.

12:58Naomi Snieckus: Yeah. What about though So, you know, they do say that dogs do look like their owners, but they also say like we were just talking a little bit about it, Matt, like jokingly, but like sometimes they do absorb our personalities, too. Are you starting to see that or is it too early in Alfie's journey on this planet?

13:17Matt Baram: No, I do sense that we pick up each other's anxiety a little bit. Um, uh, he is a bit of a nervous dog sometimes and I'll have to intentionally calm myself to help him out. And, um, I think he also likes to have organization and a plan. Yeah. And I'm very similar to that. Routine. He loves a routine. A regime. Uh, he doesn't like chaos, although he can exist in it. I think he gets a bit Zoomy. Right. Yeah. And he's not his best, doesn't reach his potential. I haven't thought about that, but you're very, it's very true. Really, really delving into this. But I think he loves a good party too. So maybe like that.

14:04Matt Baram: So he gets to be like that with you. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I want him to like. We finish our taxes. We do the laundry. We sort the sock drawer. With me, we run around at clothing swaps and have a good time.

14:18Naomi Snieckus: By now, a pretty clear picture of the parenting split is emerging. But I wanted to know who got stuck with all the crappy jobs like waking up in the middle of the night to let the puppy out to pee.

14:30Matt Baram: I think you've sort of taken. Oh, I feel like we shared it. You're closer to the door. You're the protector. But I do feel like I've never, you know, sometimes people are like, it's your turn in the middle of the night. I've never felt that. Like, I always feel like we share it enough. And if somebody's got a big day the next day, if he needs to, we're sort of, we're sort of got each other's back. He's gotten, he's gotten us into a routine where he gets up at like six o 'clock in the morning.

14:55Naomi Snieckus: Six o 'clock, Jen. Wow. That's not fair. Listen, Clutch gives me a little more time than that. That's not fair. It's, he's going to outgrow it. It's definitely not something that we're going to, it's not going to last. It's not sustainable for the Sneak Asperim family. No.

15:11Matt Baram: No, because Rufus would sleep in until maybe three if I asked him to. Like, he'd be like, if we're staying in a hotel or something like that, when we were on the run, like, he would be like, I'm just going to hang around. We weren't, by the way, we weren't on the run. It's important that you know that. We were fugitives with a lot.

15:33Naomi Snieckus: How long has it been since you two merged lives and households? And dogs. We Brady Bunched. And dogs. That's right. That's what I'm getting to.

15:43Matt Baram: What do you think that is? 15? I want you to sort through this. I'm going to say it's been 10 years married. Oh, 11 years next week. Okay. And then I think together for another five or six. Okay. So maybe like 15, 16 altogether. What do you think? No, I do think 20, 10. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Okay. You did it.

16:08Naomi Snieckus: Good answer. Good answer. so and you merged you did you merged well let's call them pet families because you had uh murphy matt and then there was rufus was that like a big deal sometimes you it can be an issue bringing dogs together or was it love at first sight for everyone oh between the two of them i

16:28Matt Baram: i think they they they knew each other like they weren't like the best of friends but i think they were they were fine together they were perfect strangers right we were like um you know murphy was about four or five times as big as uh rufus he was a poodle right like a standard he was over 100 pounds he was he was a giant standard golden doodle but black but uh he was a delight and we fell in love instantly he came right to me as a puppy and he was he yours matt like were you like

17:04Naomi Snieckus: Like, was that your first dog as an adult?

17:07Matt Baram: Yeah, that was my first dog as an adult. And he, yeah, he was just like, I trained him really strictly growing as he grew up because he was so big. I was worried that if I ever had to dog sit him with someone, they wouldn't be able to handle him. But he was just so gentle. Yeah. Yeah, just a lovely guy. But they got along fine. They got along fine. Rufus was sort of the boss of the house. And Murphy was like, I like peanut butter and chicken. Like he was sort of happy. Go lucky. Wasn't the brightest of dogs.

17:40Naomi Snieckus: And what about Rufus? When did he come into your life, Naomi? Like at what stage were you at when Rufus came in?

17:50Matt Baram: Honestly, what happened was we, I was at Second City and I got cancer. And I was like, I got to figure out how to get through this. I better get a dog. I don't know why. And I've never had a dog before. Oh my God. I didn't know this about you at all. You'd had a dog and I was like, Oh, I see how he's working out having a dog at second city and how it can work with your schedule. And I was like, I'm going to get a dog. And that's going to get me out of the house. And it did. He really like, wow. Yeah.

18:20Naomi Snieckus: And what was, what was he like as a younger dog?

18:24Matt Baram: Um, he was just, he was like, just very smart. He's such a smart, like when we say we taught him all those tricks, he kind of learned them and then we took credit like he was doing something like do that again yeah he uh but he was sweet a bit obstinate like one of those dogs where you'd be like come here and he'd look at you he'd make eye contact and go the opposite way and you'd be like oh no a little bit more cat-like yeah maybe a little bit more cat-like but then also like in the middle of the night he'd just like paw your shoulder and that would mean that he wanted to come snuggle. So he was, he was like the best, the best of buds.

19:01Matt Baram: He was so sweet.

19:02Naomi Snieckus: Oh, was Murphy a snuggler?

19:05Matt Baram: Oh, big time. Yeah. He would take you away from working at the table. You know how they use their muzzle to like lift your hand up off the keyboard. Yeah. It's, you know, it's cute. The first 800 times. The size of your head. Like he would just be like, boom, it's time for me now. yeah uh and then he would just uh he would climb up on the bed too and take up half of the bed um and just yeah loved loved to snow like if we were at a hotel it would murphy would get a whole bed himself i haven't talked about these dogs for so long it's so nice to sort of remember like

19:42Naomi Snieckus: them in our lives well they kind of like i don't know like it feels like if if not for murphy and rufus would there have been an alfie do you think yeah i don't know no i don't know

19:57Matt Baram: but i think you're right i think that um well that's also the joy that we have of sharing this experience of raising together um you know and he's just like the perfect thing because we thought he'd be tiny like a little guy and he's bigger than and why is that why is he so much bigger than

20:15Naomi Snieckus: then was advertised do we know wheaties just we just do any research spinach yeah um oh the no doing research thing will get you every time fell in love and it didn't matter after that similar to oh god that happens all the time you fall in love it doesn't matter

20:34Matt Baram: same thing yeah what are you gonna do you love them now you can do anything and i'm gonna figure out how to be with you 100 yeah but it's not always time like when sometimes when you're talking about your dogs you feel like there's the other person listening going enough about your

20:51Naomi Snieckus: dogs oh no that's why that's why this podcast exists oh it's so nice yeah that's right yeah and you're you're talking you're going to be talking to an audience full of people who

21:01Matt Baram: also love talking about their dogs and cats you know in a universal crate together it's a safe That's right.

21:11Naomi Snieckus: There really is no such thing as talking too much about your dog on this show. Or dogs, plural, for that matter. For the Barham Sneakers family, things didn't start with Rufus and Murphy. Matt, at least, has a long history with dogs.

21:26Matt Baram: I was raised by poodles. I am a human doodle myself. You are. You're a Matt doodle. My parents had Sammy, who was a poodle. they had a toy poodle they had a lassa apso yeah and then your brother brother had all those farfall farfall was a lasso who didn't know he wasn't properly socialized he didn't know how to pee properly and my mother's meaning like you know a normal dog would pee with his like standing on the ground lifting their leg up maybe yeah this guy he peed on his back like a fountain yeah wow yeah he gave himself the proverbial um golden shower shower and so my my mom's solution was uh you know not puppy training i don't think she ever even thought about that or knew i don't

22:22Naomi Snieckus: think we even had it as much though growing up like it's that whole industry has completely

22:28Matt Baram: changed anyway carry on sorry no you're right there was no dog whisperer yeah no behaviorist

22:34Naomi Snieckus: Certainly. No, no.

22:35Matt Baram: You just yelled at your dog until it did the thing. And then, so the solution that she came up with was let's get another dog and the dog will train it. And then I remember we came home one day after shopping or something and we put the dogs out the backyard and they both laid down on their back and started peeing up in the air. Stop it. Have you been to Las Vegas? So the Lassa taught the teacup poodle how to pee the wrong way. Vegas, it's an event. That's the Bellagio.

23:08Naomi Snieckus: Oh my God. Bellagio. Can I ask, what was your mother's reaction to like her backfired experiment?

23:17Matt Baram: I recognize it by the way she would sometimes look at me. Just like, you know what? Why don't you just go to bed? That kind of thing. Like there's just nothing. Sometimes there's just like nothing to say, you know, it is. Yeah, it is what it is. Okay.

23:37Naomi Snieckus: So you grew up with dogs, but Naomi Rufus was your very first dog. I had cats and guinea pigs. Okay. Well, you had pets growing up though. I thought you had a bunny.

23:48Matt Baram: No, no. We had a couple of cats, guinea pigs, a hamster, all that mysteriously disappeared.

23:56Naomi Snieckus: Oh dear. Yeah.

23:57Matt Baram: Bird. We had a bird for a while. Wow. Yeah. A bit of a Dr. Seuss family. But yeah. Yeah. So this is my first dog.

24:07Naomi Snieckus: Okay. And so like after all the cats and I can understand maybe why you wouldn't want to get a bird for emotional support with what you were going through. But no shade to the bird owners out there. I'm sure there's some really deep relationships. But what was it about a dog versus a cat?

24:26Matt Baram: Here's the thing about dogs versus cats. Cats are like loving, sweet. And then every once in a while, they'll look at you and they'll just go. And you'll have a scratch on your face for no reason. And I had to adjust from like living with these cats that would just randomly attack me to Rufus who would never attack me. So I don't know. I'm sure maybe I just got some wild cats. I was bringing up like literal wild cats. but uh like that was the difference is that i could trust rufus not to everyone scratch your face or my face yeah yeah no shade to folks that like cats i know there's some really good cats

25:04Naomi Snieckus: out there but i don't think i had them right yeah or they're just cats and that's just the way they are maybe you know maybe the dogs are better that's all dogs are better god you gotta be careful as host of this show. Do you ever sometimes wish that Alfie could talk

25:26Matt Baram: back to you? I knew you were going to say that and yes, 100%. And sometimes you think they are going to talk back. Yeah. Because they'll look at you and they'll go, oh, do you want a snack? I'm getting hungry. Like, I'm getting a little peckish. I don't know. He just has like... That's mostly what he would say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or he'd say like, I'm going to go to bed. I'm kind of like, I just suddenly I think or like when Murphy, I would think Murphy would like unzip and a person would come out and be like, oh, he was so big. Yeah, sometimes like the other day, I saw him come around the corner and he was like.

26:02Matt Baram: Pardon? Like he was.

26:07Naomi Snieckus: Like he was actually about to ask you something.

26:10Matt Baram: Yeah. I think we talked about Park about now, isn't it? And he leans his head into our conversation, into our life. we do watch a lot of we stream a lot of tv yeah he doesn't understand it but he watches it but he's starting to watch it with us so we think he's gonna pick it up because that's how people

26:27Naomi Snieckus: learn languages is by watching tv so he's gonna pick up english by watching tv that's what i think

26:32Matt Baram: you know you've seen dogs speak right um okay oh yeah but like we think that at some point he is just gonna look at us and go i love you because that's all we want to hear Yeah.

26:46Naomi Snieckus: I don't know if they do it just on their own, but they do do it for sure. And listen, you guys are going to be back on this podcast so fast as soon as Alfie can say I love you in perfect English.

27:03Naomi Snieckus: Talking about talking to Alfie, what would you want to know from him that you don't already know from your life together? I mean, I have one. Okay, you go.

27:13Matt Baram: Why don't you come? yeah why why tell me what's going on in your mind but you know he's having way too much fun to go and sit for you it's just are you kidding me i don't ask him a lot of him but that's the one where i feel the closest to him when i can say his name and he comes to me if he knew that about me yeah i think he would that that's my love language with him is whatever

27:41Naomi Snieckus: that's called imagine if you guys could both share those vulnerabilities and have that conversation

27:46Matt Baram: together oh my god yeah like there was a therapy i'm so sorry i just got i'm just i'm really wrapped up i'm just wrapped up in the other dogs that's all i'm sorry i just tried to do better this as a role play for me yeah he's gonna try and do better but it's just like i'm i'm just there's a lot going on for me right now have you ever thought of kissing me what what's happening wait

28:06Naomi Snieckus: are you talking to me oh okay it's okay we'll move on we'll move on what about you naomi anything that you would want to know from Alfie or frankly from Rufus too oh well Alfie I'd just

28:17Matt Baram: be like you okay buddy are you having a good time I just want to know that you're like liking your life are you yeah yeah are you happy are you happy oh um it's a good one and anything anything you'd

28:29Naomi Snieckus: want to know from Rufus if you could have a conversation with him um I'd be like what's

28:34Matt Baram: your favorite thing to do because he was so like non-full-step about anything he'd be like like like are you okay to sleep by my feet for six hours on a flight and he's like yeah that's fine i mean it's fine it's a big deal i was like you're cool with if we just like watch orange is the new black back to back for six hours you're okay with that he's like yeah it's fine i don't really care well what do you like to do so that i could do a treat for you because he was i don't know he's pretty easygoing easygoing dog oh big time they're so easygoing yeah sometimes i'll just

29:06Naomi Snieckus: take Clutch out for like a treat, like a hike in the country or I don't know what, but like do something that you know that they absolutely love. Not that, not something that you're dying to do, but do you do that with, with Alfie too? That's nice.

29:21Matt Baram: I think we will. I like the idea of like going to, we're going to go to the beach for you. Yeah. We did that with Murphy. Yeah. We went to the beach. He loved the sand. Yeah. So it was about the joy we got out of watching him enjoy his little life. Yeah. Is, is what it's all about. It really is. It's the best to watch them be. Yeah. It's the best. It's the best.

29:50Naomi Snieckus: Let's leave it on that note. Um, thank you both for coming on for Ball Confidential. That was so much fun. And so much fun to hear about your relationship with Alfie, but not just Alfie, but the two that came before, to Murphy and Rufus. So thank you guys.

30:06Matt Baram: It's a nice thing to be able to talk about them again. We don't have this celebration of them very often.

30:16Naomi Snieckus: There's never a dull moment with those two, or should I say three? If you're looking for more and you live in Canada, there's show Big Stuff that I was telling you about that must see might be heading your way to see all their shows just pop on over to barramandsneakus.com we asked matt and naomi what pet related cause they were thinking about these days and they said the pasadena humane society which did amazing work rescuing animals during the la wildfires earlier this year we'll link to their website in our show notes that's all for today's episode of Furball Confidential. If you've been lapping these conversations up, as I hope you have been, do us a solid and tell a friend, drop us a review, give us a follow, or better yet, all three.

31:01Naomi Snieckus: We're an independent show and your support helps us find even more pet lovers.

31:09Naomi Snieckus: Furball Confidential is created and hosted by me, Jen Morose. Our producer is Talia Schlanger. She and David Travers-Smith co-created our theme music with Brian Kobayakawa. on bass. Video and sound design and editing are all done by Reza Daya. Danny Stover does our social media. Our show artwork is by Adrian Foro. And on audience development, we have Marina Hanna. And thanks, as always, to the original inspiration for this podcast, Clutch. I'm Jen Moroz. See you next time on Furball Confidential.

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