In short
Why people dislike beets, how beets became major crops (especially sugar beets), and the story of abolitionist/author Lydia Maria Child—plus modern beet breeding to improve flavor and even create natural food dyes.
Guests
Erwin Goldman, a University of Wisconsin scientist and the only public table-beet breeder in the U.S.; previously worked on carrots. Lydia Mulland, professor of philosophy at Colby College and author of Lydia Maria Child, A Radical American Life.
Key claims
Beets uniquely produce sucrose (sugar beets can be ~25% sucrose; table beets ~10–12%). Sugar beet expansion was driven by European sugar shortages (Haitian Revolution, Napoleonic-era disruptions) and breeding for high sucrose. Lydia Maria Child was an early radical abolitionist and America’s first sugar beet farmer; her anti-slavery book helped fuel abolitionist momentum. Disliked “earthy” beet flavor comes from geosmin/jasmine and bitterness/oxalates; Goldman bred low-jasmine, low-oxalate “Badger Flame” beets.
Notable examples
ancient sea beet used mainly for leaves; borscht’s shift from cow parsnip to beet; red dye #2 ban and beet-derived pigment; “Bad Beets” board game; Harriet Jacobs’ Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl.
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Chapters
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0:46 to 1:26
Discussion on the perception of beets and their cultural significance.
“Whereas I am Nicola Twilley, lover of beets, which I grew up calling beetroot, but really, I'll take it under any name.”
The Science of Sugar Beets
2:53 to 7:45
In-depth discussion on sugar beets, their agricultural importance, and research challenges.
“As it turns out, most of the beets grown today are sugar beets.”
History of Beet Cultivation
7:46 to 13:06
History and evolution of beets from ancient times to modern sugar beet development.
“People kept on selecting for bigger and bigger leaves, and we can buy those in bunches at the supermarket today.”
Lydia Mariah Child: A Forgotten Figure
13:07 to 14:01
Introduction to Lydia Mariah Child, her contributions, and her impact on society.
“And so by the mid-1800s, Germany and France had become the centers of beet sugar production.”
Mariah Child's Early Life and Literary Career
14:01 to 18:08
Learn about Mariah Child's upbringing, her literary debut, and her influence.
“She's a professor of philosophy at Colby College, and she just wrote an excellent new book called Lydia Mariah Child, A Radical American Life.”
Mariah Child's Political Views and Abolitionism
18:08 to 20:55
Discover Mariah's evolving views on slavery and her impact on abolitionism.
“They belonged to their husbands and so on.”
Mariah and David Lee Child's Beet Sugar Farm
22:02 to 28:00
Learn about Mariah and her husband's ambitious plan to end slavery through beet sugar farming.
“I'm Maria Sharapova, and I'm hosting a new podcast called Pretty Tough.”
The Challenges of Starting a Sugar Beet Farm
28:00 to 30:40
Learn about the difficulties faced by David Lee Child in establishing America's first sugar beet farm and the couple's commitment to abolitionism.
“people who supported the idea, and David Lee Child was never one to let a harebrained idealistic scheme go unattempted.”
Mariah's Impact on the Anti-Slavery Movement
30:40 to 31:28
Discover how Mariah Child's writing inspired the anti-slavery movement despite personal hardships faced by her and David.
“They got back together after about a decade and lived the rest of their lives, I will say, happily.”
The Evolution of the Sugar Beet Industry
31:28 to 32:56
Explore the developments in the sugar beet industry in America from the late 1800s to its current status.
“At the end of the 1800s and the start of the 1900s, a few things happened.”
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Beets: From Despised to Celebrated
32:56 to 34:17
Learn about the cultural perception of beets and how they became trendy in modern cuisine.
“And I would say too, beets may be the only vegetable that have a board game associated with them.”
Breeding Beets for Color and Flavor
35:09 to 38:08
Understand the scientific efforts to breed beets for better pigment while addressing their taste issues.
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The Earthy Flavor and Challenges of Beets
38:08 to 40:58
Examine the reasons behind the earthy taste of beets and the challenges they pose for some consumers.
“You would never, ever want to eat it because we let everything else go.”
Addressing Oxalate in Beets
40:58 to 42:00
Learn how oxalate levels in beets affect consumer experiences and breeding efforts to create better varieties.
“I mean, when you dig your garden, you know, you're you get that just that incredible smell of soil.”
The Challenges of Beet Appreciation
42:00 to 43:18
Explore the issues of earthy taste and oxalate content in beets.
“That jasmine is responsible for the earthy taste that Cynthia and many others don't like.”
Introducing the Badger Flame Beet
43:18 to 45:29
Discover the breeding of a new beet variety and its unique characteristics.
“16 years after he started, Erwin finally came up with a super low jasmine and even lower oxalate beet.”
Personal Beet Journey
45:29 to 45:45
Learn about personal experiences with beets and how opinions can change.
“I now do eat beets regularly, the normal ones, but only if I douse them in vinegar after roasting them.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:06Okay, so first taste this one and see what you think. This is like a sort of your typical, is this going to be too painful for you to do this? I hate to ask you to do this. It's okay. I suffer for gastropod. What are we forcing Cynthia to taste? What dreadful, horrifying, repulsive thing could we possibly be making her eat for your delight and entertainment? It is, dear listeners, a beet. Yes, I am one of those people who recoils from beet salad, borscht, basically anything dark red and earthy. I am indeed Cynthia, Cynthia Graber, and you're listening to Gastropod, the podcast that looks at food through the lens of science and history.
0:47Whereas I am Nicola Twilley, lover of beets, which I grew up calling beetroot, but really, I'll take it under any name. This episode, we get into why on earth anyone would hate such a delicious vegetable, and how one beet breeder is aiming to change that. We are also telling the story of one of the most inspiring and fascinating women I'd never heard of before. She was an early radical abolitionist, a wildly successful novelist and children's magazine writer, and America's first sugar beet farmer. Yes, sugar beets are beets too, which was a surprise to me. Listen on, and all will be revealed. This episode is supported in part by the Alfred P.
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3:13and huge, like a foot long. This is the sugar beet. As it turns out, most of the beets grown today are sugar beets. The sugar beet is such an economically important crop in this country and in this world that the investment and research in sugar beet just dwarfs that of table beet. I'm one of the very few people working on the table beet in this country. Erwin Goldman is the only public beet breeder in the United States. It's a lonely gig. If you got all the people working on table beet research together in the world, we could probably meet in a small conference room. Erwin is a scientist at the University of Wisconsin.
3:48Like he said, he studies table beets. These are the kinds of beets you'd buy for your beet salad. He previously starred in our carrot episode because he also researches and breeds carrots. And carrots, unlike beets, do not have a cousin called the sugar carrot because carrots don't make enough of a particular type of sugar called sucrose. They make fructose and glucose. And I would say, you know, sucrose is just simply fructoses and glucose is stuck together at a ratio of like almost one to one. Glucose, fructose, sucrose, they're all different kinds of sugars that plants make. But very, very few plants make a lot of sucrose.
4:26This matters when you're making table sugar. Glucose on its own is not as sweet as table sugar. Fructose, the kind of sugar that makes most fruit taste so sweet, it doesn't crystallize well. and then it also absorbs liquid so it doesn't store well. Sucrose is a combination of the two and it is just right, which is why we use it as table sugar. Many vegetables do make the fructose and glucose, the simple sugars, but don't really make the sucrose. But beets do. And sugar beets are fully one-quarter sucrose. So they're like sugar factories. It's incredible. Sugar beets, table beets, there's a whole family of related vegetables.
4:58And they all originally come from a plant called the wild sea beet. It's native to the Middle East and all the way up through Scandinavia, but it seems like our modern beets hail from the shores of the Mediterranean. And it is an ancient plant cultivated largely, I think, for its foliage and for the leaves. So the Greeks, the ancient Greeks and the Romans, and even ancient Egyptian civilization talked about the use of a vegetable beet, but almost exclusively as a leaf crop. Erwin says it seems as though sea beet leaves were mostly eaten in salad form, which he says makes sense based on his experience.
5:38He got some sea beet seeds. They still grow wild in the Mediterranean. And he grew them himself. It is a very different plant than the cultivated beet with a leaf that has just a fantastic taste. I can completely see why people in the ancient Middle East and the ancient Mediterranean were interested in eating this. It's got a bright taste. It is almost, I would say sometimes almost citrusy taste. It's a really nice texture, almost crisp. In this ancient sea beat, the root is definitely not the star of the show. It's not large and round and juicy. If you pulled it up, it has just a sort of almost like a deflated balloon and deflated almost all the way.
6:20So it's a slightly swollen, but very not succulent and almost fibrous in its texture. You can find it occasionally in a medicinal recipe. You can find it in some culinary recipes, but for the most part, it's foliage. When ancient people did use this fibrous root, they tended to boil it into submission first. Indeed, they would boil it for long enough that in the first century CE, the Roman poet Catullus used a boiled beet as an analogy for a limp penis. That doesn't necessarily make boiled beet sound super appetizing. And as we said, people preferred the leaves. but Erwin did find a couple of interesting ancient boiled beetroot recipes.
7:01In almost like a stew or a soup. So that I would say is probably the most prominent, but there's a Talmudic recipe. The Talmud is the major Jewish rabbinic document that was written between the 1st and 6th centuries CE, between 1500 and 2000 years ago. And it basically explains in great detail how Jewish laws in the Torah are meant to be carried out. Anyway, apparently it also had some beet recipes. And there there's a recommendation to celebrate a festive day with beets, the root, a large fish, and garlic. Or there's a recipe where people have sliced the root of the beet, put leeks, coriander, cumin, wine, and then boil the whole thing down.
7:42The much more popular leaves of this ancient sea beet went on to have a glorious career as what we now know as chard. People kept on selecting for bigger and bigger leaves, and we can buy those in bunches at the supermarket today. And over the centuries, people also took the sea beet down a separate plant pathway. They selected for larger and fleshier roots over and over again. The beet's root is particularly and kind of unusually well-suited to this type of selection. It has like tree rings. It's a plant that has multiple layers of xylem and phloem and xylem and phloem and xylem and phloem. Xylem and phloem are the two different kinds of pipework in a plant.
8:20One moves water and minerals up from the ground, the other mostly moves sugars from the leaves. All plants have this pipework, but only beets have it organized in concentric circles that all grow in rings at the same time, rather than year after year like a tree. And so when people domesticated that plant, they were able to select a large swollen vegetable because they were able to expand those layers of xylem and phloem just like you would see in tree rings. You can see those lighter and darker rings in sliced beets today. Erwin doesn't know how long it took people to continually select for fleshier and fleshier beetroots until they had nice big ones.
8:57The first evidence that we can find is in the 1500s to find actual paintings or drawings where there's a true swollen root. These swollen, round red beets are part of the painted decorative greenery around the edges of some frescoes in a villa in Rome. And they look exactly like something you'd find at the farmer's market today. In the same century, beets with swollen roots also appeared in herbals, which are books about useful plants. So it seems like the roots were finally pretty popular. And at this point, the beet took its starring role in what is possibly the most iconic beet dish of all, borscht.
9:32Originally, the borscht was not made with beets. It was made with cow parsnip, which is from the APAC, so related to carrot. And they would ferment the cow parsnip leaves and cook it with a broth and maybe some cream to make a very tart soup. But as the beets made their way into Eastern Europe and into other northern parts of Europe, there were alternatives to the cow parsnip and beet was one of them. So that's when we start to see people making a red borscht, which has beets in it. A third line of this beet family was something called the Manglwurzel. It was a cross between chard and table beets.
10:12It was developed originally as animal food and it's super hearty. It's not as beautiful as the vegetable. it's a little more fibrous than the vegetable but is a large biomass and is certainly sweet and people called that the root of scarcity because I think it was something that you could store and get through the winter maybe your livestock could get through the winter or maybe even you could get through the winter eating this thing. And it was this less pretty more animal food version of the beet that with a bit more help from plant readers eventually became the most popular and successful beet of all, the sugar beet.
10:46A French scientist in the late 1500s had figured out that beets have sucrose. As we said, this is the same form of sugar as is in sugarcane. And as you'll know if you listen to our sugar episode, sugar from sugarcane was super popular, but still quite expensive in Europe because it had to be grown in a warmer climate and imported. The first sugar made from beets was pink, which sounds super pretty, but it wasn't as efficient to make as cane sugar because ordinary beets, whether they be table beets or these livestock fodder mangelwurzels, they don't have a ton of sugar in them. They're only 5 or 6 percent sucrose.
11:20So the budding investigation into beet sugar kind of fell by the wayside. It was curious, but it wasn't useful. But then a scientist in what's now Germany in the mid-1700s identified and purified sucrose from beets again. And this time it kicked off a race to develop a new commercial source of sugar. So of course, Europe was getting its sugar from the colonies. And the fact that a domestic plant like beet could make sucrose was extremely interesting to the Europeans. And that interest level got a real boost in the 1790s during the Haitian Revolution. The Haitians rose up in part because of the brutal conditions on French sugarcane plantations.
12:02And so that put a squeeze on Europe's supply of the sweet stuff. And then to make matters worse, in 1811, as part of the war against Napoleon, the Brits cut off his supply of raw sugar cane from French colonies in the West Indies, and French people were feeling a little desperate. And in fact, Napoleon offered a prize for anybody that could come up with a domestic source of sugar in Europe as a way to get around this problem of the sugar from the colonies. And even though beet didn't win the prize, somebody got it for some other reason, it gives you an indication for how keen they were to have a domestic source of sugar.
12:36So European scientists began to focus a lot of energy on breeding sweeter mangelwurzel. So I would say that breeding for high sucrose was one of the first sort of major scientific targets in modern plant breeding. It had a clear economic goal there, too. And so they were successful at it. So today, a sugar beet could be 25 % sugar. A table beet, though, you usually don't find them above 10 % to 12%. Like Irwin said, the breeding worked. And so by the mid-1800s, Germany and France had become the centers of beet sugar production. Business was booming. European countries were producing a quarter of the world's sugar from those sugar beets up from zero only a few decades earlier.
13:20The next big thing in the Sugar Beats story involves the most interesting woman you've never heard of.
13:36This song that so many people my age heard in a Charlie Brown Thanksgiving, it was actually written as a poem. And originally those kids were going to grandfather's house, not grandmother's. but it was written by a truly awesome woman named Lydia Mariah Child. She went by Mariah. Lydia Mariah Child was one of her generation's fiercest abolitionists and social reformers generally. This is another Lydia who actually goes by Lydia, Lydia Molan specifically. She's a professor of philosophy at Colby College, and she just wrote an excellent new book called Lydia Mariah Child, A Radical American Life.
14:13And the amazing thing about just getting to know her is that almost no one knows who she was. And almost everyone can recite something she wrote, namely, over the river and through the wood to grandfather's house we go. Mariah's first connection to food was not beet based. She was the daughter of a baker. So she grew up thinking about food and how to make food, how to distribute food, how to market food. Her father was the creator of something called the Medford Cracker, which was actually exported to England. This is a point of pride for Medford, Massachusetts, which is right next door to where I live.
14:54The Medford Cracker was an apparently delicious cracker. It was called a cracker because it had a seam that you could crack and break it into smaller pieces. His was one of the first, and maybe it was actually even the first, to be called a cracker. The idea of baking flour and water into a crispy wafer thing wasn't new. but using the word cracker to refer to it was. And Mariah's dad's version was apparently the first to have this seem for easy cracking, so maybe he really did invent the first cracker. Nobody seems to know for sure, but even though he was a super successful baker and businessman, he wasn't particularly interested in educating his children, especially his daughters, one of whom was Mariah.
15:36But her brother loved books so much that the family doctor finally said to them, your son is never going to be any good to you in the family bakery. So you might as well send him to Harvard. So they did. They sent him to Harvard. He then went on and became a professor of theology at Harvard. But what's relevant for our story is that he passed his books on to his little sister. And they formed what she later described as a secret society in his bedroom where they would meet after he would come home from school. And he would tell her about Shakespeare and Milton and And she developed a love of reading and very quickly a love of writing.
16:15And by the age of 22, she burst onto the literary scene. She became rather famous, even infamous, for a novel that she wrote called Hobomuk, which was a novel about a Native American warrior who marries a white European settler. So it was already controversial. And yeah, it made her famous. After that, she published a super successful and super popular magazine, a periodical. It was called the Juvenile Miscellany. This was the kind of thing that children all up and down the eastern seaboard would like wait on the stoop of their houses for it to come. Like they'd watch for the mailman to come and deliver this.
16:53And it was full of poems and songs and games and stories and puzzles. In her spare time, she also wrote another couple of novels. And then while she was still in her 20s, she wrote a book called The Frugal Housewife. which was one of the United States' first self-help books. And it is a wonderful read even now. It's full of recipes for everything from roast goose to roast pig. It can tell you how to get rid of cockroaches, how to set a sprained ankle. And it was a book with a real political message as well. So she wanted Americans to be frugal because she was convinced that frugality was necessary for a democracy.
17:40So it was like part cookbook, part self-help book, part political treatise. It was immensely popular. It sold out, I think, four times in the first year that it was published. It stayed in print for decades. Julia Child talks about it in one of her cookbooks and quotes a recipe from it as like a wonderful example of early American cooking. When it was published, Mariah hadn't yet turned 30. She was a woman and women pretty much couldn't do anything independent in the 1820s. They couldn't own property. They belonged to their husbands and so on. And she had become literally a household name. So she was also a very new thing in a very new country.
18:22She was one of the United States' first self-sufficient female authors. She was also a little bit avant-garde politically, too. When it came to Native Americans, her first novel had a very different point of view from the mainstream. This was a time at which there was a lot of literature portraying Native Americans as bestial and savage. And her book, in contrast to that, is a very sympathetic portrayal of Native Americans. When it came to slavery, Massachusetts had already abolished slavery, and Mariah definitely seems to have been against it. But even in the North, there were a lot of arguments floating around, ones that she heard and sympathized with, that maybe slavery couldn't or shouldn't be banned altogether.
19:04That it wasn't so bad and maybe it was even good for enslaved Africans because they could be exposed to Christianity or quote unquote civilized. Or maybe slavery was just going away anyway and it was sort of unfortunate, but it was all going to end before long. Or maybe there just wasn't anything that your average white northerner could do about it. So it was kind of embarrassing and unfortunate, but nothing anyone around you was doing anything about. And humans being what we are, if no one around us is doing something about something, we generally don't think we need to either. But Mariah's attitude towards slavery did shift.
19:47She became a fervent abolitionist thanks to a couple of people. First, she got married to a very charming and charismatic man who kind of unusually wasn't threatened by her talent and success. And he was passionately committed to ending slavery. Those were his good qualities, though he wasn't exactly perfect. Child's husband, David Lee Child, was a kind of walking financial disaster. He was a lawyer. He was a politician. He was an editor. He failed at everything he tried. Luckily, though, his wife was incredibly successful, so she could bankroll their future endeavors, one of which was becoming sugar beet farmers as a way to help end slavery.
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22:32In 1830, a year after they got married, Mariah and David met and became huge fans of a writer named William Lloyd Garrison. At the time, Garrison was already a very vocal, maybe the most vocal, abolitionist. And I think we need to be very clear that that word in the 1830s meant to be an absolute radical, like the kind of person most people didn't want to have dinner with. It meant that you accepted that slavery should end immediately, not gradually, and that there should be no compensation to enslavers. Garrison had spent time listening to the stories and experiences of black people in America, educating himself about the moral and physical atrocities of slavery.
23:18And then at a certain point, he realized that if he was going to turn his abolitionist convictions into action, he was going to need white allies. More specifically, he was going to need white authors. and he knew about Child. He knew how good she had been at writing fiction, but also writing these aspirational self-help books that helped Americans think about how to cook and how to clean and how to be good Americans. And he had also read what she'd written about Native Americans, so he could see that she had a bent for racial justice. And so he requested that they meet And we don't have any recording or report from that meeting.
24:05But she describes that meeting as a conversion experience, that he gave her arguments that meant that the scales fell from her eyes. She realized she could never live her life the same way again. She says, I could not do otherwise, so help me God. And so Mariah devoted three years to researching slavery and then published a book called An Appeal in Favor of That Class of Americans Called Africans. And this book was a kind of fire hose of argumentation against slavery. It was the first book length publication against slavery in the United States. It had chapters on politics, on economics, on morals, on history.
24:49And these were things that women really were not supposed to be meddling in. So that already alienated a lot of her friends in Boston. And then, even though Northerners saw themselves as on the good side of this issue, Mariah didn't let them off the hook either. Her last chapter was essentially about Northern racism and the ways Northern racism enabled Southern slavery. And the first sentence is something like, while we cast our earnest disapprobation upon our brethren in the South, let us not flatter ourselves that we are any better than they. And needless to say, this is not what anyone in Boston wanted to hear.
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25:34This pretty much wrecked both her social life and her career. She lost her income. Her other books were taken off the shelves. she had to give up the juvenile miscellany because parents canceled their subscriptions in droves fearing that while they were not looking she was turning their children into abolitionists this turns out to have been true in some cases so there's one wonderful letter that she got later in her life from someone who says i was one of the schoolgirl abolitionists who was inspired by your writings and went on to live my whole life trying to live up to those principles. So the parents who canceled their subscriptions weren't wrong.
26:20This meant that the childs were really plunged into financial crisis. And even though she'd inspired some people, it wasn't enough. Writing about the horrors of slavery didn't seem to do the trick on its own. So then Mariah and David, because they believed this was their essential task, they looked around for another way to end slavery. And there had been a kind of don't buy products from enslaved labor movement already. So people had talked about not wearing cotton, for instance. But the other major economic agricultural driver of the success of slavery was sugar. Finally, beets come back into the picture.
27:06This was right at the time, as you might remember, that France and Germany had started revving up their beet sugar production. And so Child's husband, David Lee Child, came up with this idea that he would go to Europe and learn to turn sugar beets into sugar. So he managed to talk a company into sponsoring his trip to France. He went over there to try to learn all of the machinery, all of the processes of turning sugar beets into sugar. David learned everything he could, came back to the U.S., and he and Mariah used her savings to move to the countryside, to Northampton, which is about 100 miles west of Boston.
27:48The plan was to start a beet sugar farm and single-handedly take down big slave-grown cane sugar. It's hard to believe that anyone believed that this would work, but there were other people who supported the idea, and David Lee Child was never one to let a harebrained idealistic scheme go unattempted. Unsurprisingly, it wasn't exactly easy to launch America's very first sugar beet farm. David Lee Child had never really farmed before. The farming of sugar beets entailed all of the normal challenges of farming, but also he didn't have a local knowledge base to fall back on. He didn't have people to help him repair parts when things fell apart.
28:36Growing the beets, of course, was its own challenge before you even tried to turn it into sugar. Child helped him. They were out in the fields together, you know, up to their knees in mud in the Massachusetts it's spring. And it was in some ways a success, which is to say that David Lee Child did manage to turn sugar beets into sugar. And he even like won an award for it from an institute that was trying to award Americans being agricultural entrepreneurs. But he made no money and he went more and more into debt. But Mariah and David were committed. This was bigger than them. And I think what moves me so much about this episode in their marriage is they both believed so strongly in the cause of abolitionism that they were willing to keep trying.
29:29So he would say to her, I just need one more year. I just need one more year. And she would say, but we don't have any money. And he would say, but the slaves. And then she would feel like she couldn't keep saying, no, we, you know, we can't afford that. Because what was their financial suffering compared to the millions of enslaved people in the South? So to try to support the farm, Mariah fell back on what she knew, writing. She moved to New York and got a job. She became the very first woman to edit a major political weekly journal. Meanwhile, back on the farm, David Asper kept losing money.
30:07Eventually, they literally went bankrupt and lost everything. So at that point, not only had she poured her energies and all of her financial efforts into trying to keep this farm afloat, but the bankruptcy proceedings included the sale of her books. This was devastating. In fact, it sort of brought their marriage to an end, at least for a bit. David Lee Child went off and did all kinds of other harebrained things. She tried to make a go of being an author in New York, but they did reconcile. They got back together after about a decade and lived the rest of their lives, I will say, happily. So it's a good love story anyway.
30:52And while Sugar from Beats did not end slavery, Mariah's writing did help inspire the anti-slavery movement that kept getting stronger and stronger until, of course, the Civil War. And then after the Civil War, she continued to fight for racial justice. She did not think that the war was going to solve problems of racial justice. She was right about that. She helped Harriet Jacobs publish her Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl, which is one of the most important slave narratives ever published, and the first one published by a woman. And eventually, the sugar beet industry succeeded in America, too.
31:28At the end of the 1800s and the start of the 1900s, a few things happened. One, the USDA spent a bunch of time and money figuring out where beets would actually grow well in the U.S. Two, the government at the time put very high tariffs in place that made domestically grown beet sugar much more cost-competitive. And three, Mormons got really excited about sugar beets. In the late 1800s, the president of the Mormon church said that he had received a message from the Lord and God told him to start farming sugar beets. So they did just that in Utah. But also there were farms in California and Colorado.
32:01Today, Minnesota is the biggest sugar beet farming state in the country, and sugar beet farming in general is a massive industry. I come from Minnesota. When you are in Minnesota in harvest season, you'll see these immense semi-trucks full of sugar beets. and they get dumped in these pyramid size, like Egyptian pyramid size, pyramids in fields all over the state. Of course, today in America, we 50 % of our sugar is from the sugar beet. In other words, the sugar beet is the breakout star of the beet family. It is the most recent and most popular beet of all. We eat a lot of sugar beet, but the humble round red vegetable version of the beet?
32:50That has traditionally been much less beloved. I would say beets were, they were despised. They were something people made fun of. And I would say too, beets may be the only vegetable that have a board game associated with them. And the game is called bad beets. And the goal of the game, the objective is to give away all of your beets. So, I mean, think about that. You know, it's just like, how bad can it get? Erwin himself, a man who has devoted his career to beets, when he was a little kid, he wasn't into them. They just seemed like old people food. My family comes from Eastern Europe, and I associated beets with like everybody in my family who was over 80, or, you know, the huddled masses branch of my family, you know, the people who came over from Eastern Europe.
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35:24It was about mining beets for the source of all that super rich pigment that stains your hands when you're chopping. Stains your hands and your excretions, as this episode of Portlandia demonstrates quite vividly. 911, where's your emergency? There's blood everywhere. I need to know what you had for dinner this evening. A salad. Could there have been beets in the salad, sir? Yes, there is a very interesting phenomenon called beecheria, which is a condition that some 14 % of people have, which means you cannot absorb those pigments at all. You excrete them entirely. And there is quite a shock, I think, that people have when they eat a lot of beets that they excrete the betelin pigments.
36:13But physicians will tell you, especially emergency room physicians, will tell you that they get calls from people saying, you know, I'm bleeding. I need to come in. And a very common thing that they will ask is, have you recently eaten beets? 911, where's your emergency? Are you able to breathe? Yeah. Is it beets? Yeah. Great. Hi, was it beets? Yeah. That's up. 911, how were those beets you ate tonight? Hi, I assume it's beets. Beets, bud, what's your problem? But that terrifying color does have a practical use. Right, so back in 1972, red dye number two was banned in the United States as a suspected carcinogen.
36:48Today's decision came as a policy switch for the FDA, which earlier this month said it would not ban the coloring. New tests changed the agency's mind. There was a significant increase in the numbers of tumors found in certain varieties of rats upon the feeding of massive doses of red two. And it was around that time that a couple of scientists here at UW-Madison looked at the red color of beets and thought, well, maybe we could use essentially the waste stream from the canning plants here. Because Wisconsin is the, first of all, we're the number one beet state. Vegetable beets, of course. Minnesota is the sugar beet leader, as we said.
37:29But Wisconsin is all about red beets. And so if you ever go into a beet canning factory at this time of year, you'll see just lots of red color. Scientists at Madison thought they could concentrate that pigment as a substitute for red dye number two. It worked, they could make a dye, but they couldn't get enough pigment out of each beet to really make it worthwhile. So they decided to breed beets that have even more of the red stuff. When Irwin joined the team, he carried on the pigment breeding project. In the end, he said it took about 25 or 30 generations of beets to arrive at a beet that has so much pigment that it looks almost black inside.
38:03It has about five times more red pigment than a typical beet. It tastes terrible. You would never, ever want to eat it because we let everything else go. We didn't pay attention to anything but color so that we just selected for deep color. And they don't look nice, but they don't have to because really they're just a vessel for that color. Today, Irwin's black beets are grown specially as a source of food coloring for industry. It's a nice shade of red, but it's not as intense as the synthetic color that people probably are used to. You know, when we look at our box of Froot Loops or whatever, if we compared that to the natural color Froot Loops, maybe kids would be disappointed.
38:43But I think the beet red is still a nice color. Over the years, as Irwin was breeding a bad-tasting but super colorful beet, he was surprised to see that the general public had started to fall in love with normal beet beets. You know, I'm pleased to tell you that there's been a beet renaissance. I mean, I started to notice this in the mid-90s when Martha Stewart did a thing on beets. Well, if you go to Balthazar, I highly recommend that you order the beet and the mosh salad. But in the meantime, we have Riyadh right here in our studio to show us how to make it at home. People were roasting beets and then making the salad with goat cheese and walnuts.
39:22And that has taken off. The mid-90s were huge for beets. Back in the 1980s, Wolfgang Puck made a beet and goat cheese tower thing into a signature salad at his fancy restaurant Spago in L.A. And then, like Irwin said, in the 90s, Martha Stewart championed beet and goat cheese salads. and before you knew it, the beet and goat cheese combo had taken over America. But there are some people like me who never hopped onto that beet salad train. When I go and talk to consumers, they often separate themselves into two groups. There are people who just, like yourself, Cynthia, who say, you know, it's not for me.
40:01That is just like, it's like eating dirt, whatever. I just don't like it. I don't want to have anything to do with them. And there are people who love the earthy flavors. And so you do find both of those types. I am an earthy flavor lover. I appreciate that about beets. And so does Erwin. But as a beet professional, he wanted to expand the circle and welcome people like Cynthia into a better relationship with beets. One of the big things we've done in our breeding work is to try to cater to those people like yourself who aren't big fans to get rid of some of that earthiness, which is due to a molecule called jasmine, and see if we can make something that's a little more palatable Jasmine, this is the main flavor note that turns off people like me.
40:43Jasmine is a simple molecule that is made by microbes for the most part. And I would say one of the groups of microbes that's most commonly making it is the streptomyces bacteria that live in the soil. And everybody knows the smell of soil. I mean, when you dig your garden, you know, you're you get that just that incredible smell of soil. So it's it's basically everywhere because the microbes make it. It's in all soils. It's in rivers. It's in bodies of water. When it rains really hard and then you get that scent in the air after the rain, that's jasmine in the air. Which is a smell I love. But it's not there just to be delightful.
41:23In nature, jasmine is a signal. The bacteria in the soil are making it to attract bugs that will spread them around. Erwin and his colleagues thought that somehow beets were picking up jasmine from the microbes in the soil. And then his lab did an experiment on beets that showed something else was going on altogether. When you grow them not in soil, in completely sterile conditions, with no microbes, they produce an incredible amount of geosmin. Nobody knows exactly why beets make their own geosmin. Maybe they do not want to be loved. I don't know what it is. But they manufacture, they have the genes to make their own geosmin for reasons we don't understand.
42:00That jasmine is responsible for the earthy taste that Cynthia and many others don't like. But that's not the only thing standing between beets and universal adoration. A lot of people do. If they get into it enough to eat beets, they find that there is another problem with them, and that is oxalate. So oxalic acid is present in very high amounts in chard and beet. it's a defensive compound that plants make which is actually in a plant is in a crystalline form so it's in the form of an oxalate crystal that when you eat the beet or the chard it's abrasive in the inside of your mouth. Not everyone notices the sensation of like an almost itchy feeling but here again I'm one of the sensitive ones.
42:45I notice it with beet leaves and chard and even with spinach they make my mouth feel dry. It's not super pleasant. So Erwin set out to breed a beet that was low in jasmine and low in oxalate. And as is always the case in conventional breeding, this was not a quick hit project. It just took a long, long time for us to make that selection effective and to get the levels down to a level where our goal was to have a beet that you could eat raw. It would just be like eating a carrot. You just cut it, put it in your mouth for a snack. No cooking needed. 16 years after he started, Erwin finally came up with a super low jasmine and even lower oxalate beet.
43:24It's called a badger flame. He wanted us to taste it, but we needed to have something to compare it to, so we cut up a slice of a regular beet first. This is above and beyond right here, if you have to do this. So take a little piece of that and try that. See what you think.
43:44Really, really... Whoa! Yeah, really strong, right? I love it. Oh, I hate it. Really earthy, right? Really earthy. It's a little bitter aftertaste to have it raw, but I like it. Definitely not a fan. With that baseline beet taste established, it was time to try Irwin's new and improved jasmine-free badger flame beet. So Irwin, this is your test. Can you get me to eat this beet? Well, see what you think about that. Okay. It's very pretty. It is very pretty. It's this gorgeous canary yellow.
44:21Wow. That's gone. Sweet, no earthy? No. So that's what that is. Do you want another piece? Sure. Look at you saying yes to your second chunk of beet. So it's a different, it's a complete, like almost a different vegetable. This is low, very low geosmin. And when you remove all that, you just taste the sucrose. These badger flame beets, when you cut them open, you get alternating stripes of yellow and orangey red. So they are, as we said, very pretty. And they are also sweet and delicious. They do have some downsides for growers. Lower levels of oxalates mean that the plants aren't as well protected against insects and other pests.
45:00And so they need a little more human protection. But the thing that's probably a downside for true beet lovers, and I certainly noticed this when I ate them, they didn't really taste so much like beets anymore. And I do feel like we kind of, you know, de-beaded the beet in that sense. And it's sort of, I don't know, there's a heretical element to that. But also, I feel like maybe it becomes a gateway beet than that other people could find and enjoy beets. We'll see. Maybe even Cynthia. We'll see.
45:33Honestly, it has kind of worked. I now do eat beets regularly, the normal ones, but only if I douse them in vinegar after roasting them. That kind of cuts the earthiness for me. And then I love to add them to green salads. If you want to try the badger flame beets, you can grow your own. The seeds are for sale at the company Row 7. And if you just want to buy the vegetable, they're for sale raw and in cans at Whole Foods and various specialty stores. Thanks so much to Erwin Goldman and to Lydia Mulland. You can find links to Lydia's book and to Erwin's research and the seeds on our website, gastropod.com.
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From the publisher
For those who like its earthy flavor, the humble beet can do a lot for a salad or a soup. But could it help end slavery? In the 1800s, one woman believed it could—and she wasn't just any old woman. This episode, meet Lydia Maria Child, who wrote the first children's periodical magazine, the first New England historical novel, and one of America's first successful self-help books—all before she turned thirty, in an era where women were still considered property. This episode, we've got the fascinating story of why she bet big on beets, as well as how, more than a century later, Wolfgang Puck and Martha Stewart paired this much maligned vegetable with goat cheese to spark today's beet renaissance. Meanwhile, for the haters among us: is it possible to de-beet the beet, and get rid of that earthy flavor altogether? Listen in now as we meet the astonishing Lydia Maria Child, in the curious tale of the beet.
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