Joe Lycett: "Nerves and excitement are the same!" How to reframe anxiety

0:00Fearne Cotton: Hello and welcome to Happy Place. I'm Fern Cotton and this is the show that learns from other people's ideas and values. Today I'm chatting to Joe Lycett. Where I'd got to, kind of before the paternity leave, is I'd sort of got a bit stiff and sort of lost who I was a little bit as well. But also there's sort of lots of caught up in like my sort of identity as a public persona, I suppose. Lots of people were surprised when I had a child with a woman because they were like, but you're the gay man. And, you know, there's sort of, and I've never said that I'm gay because I've never been gay. But, and then I was like, do I have an idea of what I am actually?

0:36Like on stage, I kind of played on these things because they're funny ultimately. But how much of that has filtered into what I actually am? And is the stage persona the sort of same as me? And these things sort of oscillate a lot.

0:48Fearne Cotton: You're right, you lovely lot. How's your summer going so far? If you've got kids, we are on day 8 ,040 of the summer holidays. How are we, how are we doing? I was lucky enough to have a little holiday with my kids well it was over a week ago now I am still doing laundry from that very trip it's just endless why am I still doing laundry from that holiday and I'm still also in the transitional state from holiday to normal life where I am deeply considering moving to Ibiza to become a paddleboard instructor to leave my worries and troubles behind. I think I have that existential crisis every time I come back from a holiday.

1:32Fearne Cotton: Am I going to open a juice bar? Why am I living in London? Why am I always stressed out and rushing? Why am I rushing? Rushing all the time. So I'm trying to desperately hold on to that relaxed, chilled out feeling of being away where the only decision you have to make is what bikini you're going to put on. but anyway apart from that I'm absolutely bloody marvellous and I was so thrilled to have Joe Lycett in our Happy Place studio to have a chat I love Joe I love Joe for many reasons I actually think about Joe every day because I've got one of his prints on my hallway wall and it's this beautiful floral background and the words he's painted on top of these lovely flowers says everything is fucked and I love the sentiment of that and it makes me laugh every day so I think of Joe regularly but I love following Joe's sort of art journey online I love Joe's style of painting obviously he's bloody hilarious and I love watching his comedy and his stand-up his latest project is so brilliant we talk about it a lot in this chat he has properly applied for a pub license for just one hour a week from 10 until 11pm on a Friday night.

2:51Fearne Cotton: He's going to open the Lycett Arms and all the chaos that happens at this pub is going to be broadcast live on Channel 4. I am so here for it. The chaos of live TV. Bring it on. He'll tell you all about that in a moment. Are you tired of living in pain, going to the doctor and left feeling completely dismissed and alone? Ever wondered whether anyone else lives the way that you live? They do, and I do. I'm Lindsay Soprano, and this is Giving Pain Purpose. Every week, I sit down with people who've walked through chronic pain and trauma and come out on the other side and talk about how they do it.

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5:10Fearne Cotton: Right, let's do it. Here's the show.

5:33Fearne Cotton: How are you, Jo? I'm good. I'm really good, actually. I feel like I've found a nice balance because when you first have a child, the balance really is child heavy. Yeah. And there's lots of lovely stuff about that. But I started to go, am I just a carer to a baby now? Is that my entire life? Because you had, what, a year off work? I took a year off. That's amazing. And I was ready for all sorts of reasons to take a year off. So it wasn't just to have a baby, but it was, you know, I thought if ever there's a good excuse to take a year off, it's to have a baby. And that was, you know, a great year in lots of ways.

6:10But I missed myself, if you know what I mean, and being silly on stage, on camera, doing my job, essentially. So I do feel like I've found a nice mix of doing a bit of work, but I'm still doing bedtimes and making pancakes in the morning and all those things. And I've managed to find a nice happy medium there.

6:28Fearne Cotton: What was your first day back at work? Because I remember with Honey, I went back to work. I'm not joking, like three weeks after I just took her with me. But with my son, my first, I took six months pretty much to the day off. And I remember my first show back at Radio One. It was a Justin Timberlake live lounge special. Sure. And I thought, I don't know how to speak. No. Let alone to him. And like there was an audience and I was just like, and my tits were like leaking. I was like, I just don't know how this is meant to work. And I'd been doing like a baby voice for six months. I had to sort of drop that.

7:02Yeah.

7:02Fearne Cotton: I found it very discombobulated. I mean, my tits are leaking now. I mean, they're still two years later. I think it was a stand-up gig. I think I just put in some little work in progress gigs. But it is the speaking that is. And still, I feel like my grasp of words is not what it was. And sometimes I go, I know what I want to say, but I had four hours sleep last night and I'm never going to get to it. And I also become very aware that I get quite, not serious, but sort of earnest. And I listened to myself on a podcast the other day and I didn't say anything funny for 15 minutes. And I was like, literally, your job is to be funny.

7:39So what happened there? And I was listening to it, like willing myself. There's an opportunity for a punchline there. No, you're not going to take it. But I think it's just you're so tired that you are just sort of getting through the thing in front of you. You are. And you're not necessarily doing anything to the best of your ability. No. But it doesn't matter as well. I think that's what it sort of showed me really is that who cares really. Who gives a shit. It's like this isn't a job, is it? No, it's nonsense. We're just sat in a room having a chat.

8:07Fearne Cotton: It's absolute nonsense. It's not a job. It's not a job. So I sort of, I feel, I feel like I've got a healthy view of my life and career and a healthy lack of respect for everything that I'm doing. Love that. So the year you took off, was that, did you sort of classify that as paternity leave? Did your partner go back to work and you were kind of staying at home? No, we both took the year. You both took the year. Yeah. So, yeah, we both, I just, I'd worked really hard and I'd sort of done like about a year's work in two months sort of before The Punisher, as I call him publicly, was born. and um and I just I felt like I'd done loads of things that I wanted to do and I'd run out of steam a little bit and I just felt like this is I don't want to regret going off and doing a stand-up tour or whatever and missing all these things that happen in that first year and so I just said it's a year and by and large stuck to it I mean contractually I had to go on Lorraine so I went on Lorraine when he was a Lorraine every year you've got to yeah yeah every year you have to see Lorraine and and I didn't you know I didn't begrudge that because she's one of the greatest people alive so went to see Lorraine yeah and then that was me done basically and yeah the first six months I was in a very lovely baby bubble that was great and just couldn't believe it you know you're sort of like what this human exists and they're the most important person ever all of those things and then six months I had a real like identity crisis and I sort of went through everything in my head I think it's because you're awake at such weird times and you're sort of stomping around a park at 5am trying to get him asleep and all those things where you just sort of it's a lot of what appears like madness and could be madness and I just reflected on loads of things in my career and just was a bit embarrassed by it all and a bit like you know it's so naff to be a comedian what a silly thing to do like it's so like pathetic like needy and so I did all of that sort of uh and I suppose because I just started when I was 19 and then I was just in my career and just going on to the next thing that I didn't really have a long period of reflection on what I'd done and you know I basically had the hangover from every night out that I'd had for 20 years suddenly arrive in one go.

10:33Fearne Cotton: Well, you've got the time and space to process it all. And I totally, like what you've just said resonates massively. I still think that about a lot of things I do. Like, what am I doing? What the fuck am I doing? But actually, I have, you know, like done a full circle processing of it and it doesn't actually matter. Like what I want to do is enjoy my job, which I feel insanely lucky to do. Like most of it is enjoyable. Some of it's a bit boring. Some of it I hate. The majority I really enjoy. And I want to be able to support my children. And it is that simple. It doesn't have to be any grander.

11:11Fearne Cotton: I don't have to be like doing anything worthy or changing the world. I'll hopefully put positive content out at best. But also we all have egos, don't we? and we wouldn't have got into this mess if we didn't have an ego. And so there is a part of us that you sort of have to accept that is like, I want to be adored by everyone in the world and I want to be really important and I want everyone to go, wow, he's very smart and sensible and clever and funny. You want all of those things as well. But unfortunately, I'm not all of those things and often none of them. and people dislike me. So sometimes you'll get sort of messages telling you that.

11:54And so the reality of the world is that everything's fine. There's a Mr. Bingo who's a great artist who is a friend of mine and he has an artwork which is a circle. Most of the circle is anxiety about the next thing and then there's a tiny bit of the circle and it says the thing being fine and then the arrow goes back round and that's all life is. Anxiety about the next thing, the thing's fine, anxiety, and that's life.

12:22Fearne Cotton: And even if it's not fine, you muddle through it and you find a way. Yeah, exactly. You go through a shit show and you come out the other side of it. Yeah. How do you feel now about being liked or being adored? I personally have come to the conclusion after lots of therapy and writing a whole book about this subject, I'll probably never lose that innate, desire for people to like me or walk away thinking I've had a pleasant time with that person or they didn't make me feel like shit yes but equally if someone doesn't like me and I've had all the messages telling me I'm a twat etc like we all have I shouldn't have sent them I'm sorry we'll talk about that later um but I sort of care well do I care less I'm okay in the discomfort of that yes I can survive the discomfort whereas about 10 years ago I found that excruciating because I believed it meant that I was deeply flawed in some way and I wasn't aware of it yeah and that yeah you you think oh well they're right because it's sort of the the deepest part of you kind of goes there's this not the deepest part of you but there's there's parts of me that go well of course everyone's completely bang on I'm you know it's all the um what do they call it the uh syndrome imposter syndrome yeah yeah yeah um I think I'm still vulnerable to it I still and I think it's a generous thing to want people to leave having had a nice time but i'm also aware that i'm terrible at names so i would love to be tom cruise and remember everyone forever but i can't and i don't and i constantly forget people and i sort of see them and go oh oh yeah and like particularly if they're out of context there's no chance i'm going to remember them but i forgot my own auntie's name the other day like i'm like it's it's a kind of equal opportunities forgetfulness yeah and on stage forgetting the names of comedians when I'm introducing them.

14:10That's become a bit of a problem.

14:12Fearne Cotton: That makes me feel like I'm going to puke. Yeah, yeah. Happened last night, actually. And I was like, and next up it's... And then it did come to me, but there was a second where I was like, I don't know who's next up. I kind of faint for you. Yeah. So there's things like that which are, you know, if you're the person whose name is being forgotten, they've not had a nice experience there. So I'm constantly doing that where I'm sort of low-level upsetting people um so i'm you know there's lots of things about me that are unlikable i'm you know and obviously it's subjective and certain things people find likable and not and it's sort of the thing to remember is really it is not up to you like it is you do just have to sort of do your thing and try and be mindful and try and be kind and all of these things but to kind of get out of the kind of rut of going i'm awful and everyone hates me you do just have to sort of go i think I'm doing my best and my best will sometimes not be enough and my best even at my ultimate best will still not be enough for some people and you'll still get it wrong and you just have to kind of go that's life isn't it ultimately because otherwise you will just sort of sit in a room and not do anything well exactly especially with this weird job that you do and that I do is there is an element where you have to be completely yourself and look relaxed being yourself if You're overthinking every word that you say, every mannerism, the way you're expressing things.

15:38Fearne Cotton: I started to become like a very beige version of myself probably at the end of my Radio 1 career because I was so terrified that everyone hated me because that's what I felt was the truth of the situation. So I started to sort of, I don't know, like dial down everything and you just feel like shit. Like you've just got to be yourself and it's up to the audience whether they like you or not. And that's probably where I'd got to at the end of my kind of before the paternity leave is I'd sort of got a bit stiff and a bit and sort of lost who I was a little bit as well. But also there's sort of lots of caught up in like, I suppose, my sort of identity as a public persona, I suppose.

16:18Lots of people were surprised when I had a child with a woman because they were like, but you're the gay man. And I've never said that I'm gay because I've never been gay. But because I'm camp and I do innuendo and all those sorts of things, people have this idea of what that is. And then I was like, well, do I have an idea of what I am actually? Like on stage, I kind of played on these things because they're funny ultimately. But how much of that has filtered into what I actually am? And is the stage persona the same as me? And these things sort of oscillate a lot. And when I started doing stand-up, my stage persona was basically me at a party and just getting that neediness out on stage.

16:58But now, I mean, I'm saying in my stand-up at the minute, I don't think I'd start doing stand-up now because it's such a high-risk thing to do and involves so much brain power and so much vulnerability and all of that that I think I wouldn't have the courage to do it now. It was very much a 19-year-old me going, I'll have a go at that, I'll have a go at that.

17:16Fearne Cotton: Yeah, young and naive. Exactly. Do you think you know who you are? I often don't have a clue, and I think that's maybe quite healthy. Yeah, probably not. Yeah. I mean, I'm surprised myself all the time. Like, oh, that came out of me. And when you're on stage and you're in flow and things are coming out of you that you've just not thought about, but they're kind of amazing and you're responding to a heckler or whatever, and you're like, where did that come from? So, no, really. and I know I suppose I know myself better in that I know what I have to do to facilitate being in flow or being happy or you know not getting grumpy or whatever those things are you get better understanding those things but the mechanics of what's actually happening there I have no idea what what does keep you feeling happy then is it the basics uh sleep is the like the key one for me which newsflash you don't have when you have a child so that's a real problem Yes.

18:14But it's got a lot better. The first year, I think that's another thing, the first year of the sleep was bad.

18:18Fearne Cotton: Have you done teething? I can't remember the timeline. Teething. Yeah, you're in it. You're in it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, teething's happened. Teething's happened. But you're actually, you're approaching transition from cot to bed. Yes, yeah. Or cot to cot bed. Cot bed, yeah, yeah. Both awful. Yeah, yeah. Terrible times ahead. Yeah, yeah, thanks.

18:39Fearne Cotton: Cot to bed is arguably the worst bit. Is it? Cot to bed is a fucking nightmare. Why? Because they don't stay in it. Because they're like, oh, there's no bars, I'll just get out. Oh, yeah. I'll just keep getting out again and again and again and again. We are talking about maybe hobbling him early so that he can't leave. Okay. So, like, just sort of tether him to some sort of part of the house so that he can't, you know. And then if he tries to apply for jobs, then ring up and say, you do know that he's an arsonist. You know, sort of just restrict his ability to leave us. That's one way to deal with it, I'd say.

19:12I think that's healthy, isn't it? Yeah. I think it's absolutely fine.

19:15Fearne Cotton: Talking about the weirdness of doing this public-facing thing, whether it's stand-up, whatever, you're doing podcasts. Do you have those same vulnerabilities, insecurities when you're painting? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Particularly because I just did an exhibition, and so I knew that they were going to be sort of for the world. And when you're painting and just checking it on Instagram, I mean, more people will probably see them on Instagram, but feels throwaway in a way that doing an exhibition felt very much like people are coming to see this and they have you know they're leaving their homes to come and look at this thing and yeah some of the stuff in the exhibition is you know paintings of people that I've it's the whole exhibition is things that are no longer with us and some of the paintings of people that have died friends of mine people that I admired people who you know might have loved ones that might come along to the exhibition and we'll you know see their people that they've lost in my kind of uh style so that felt very vulnerable and scary but actually there's in a way that stand-up and sort of speaking public speaking doesn't allow you can do it again you know so there's lots of paintings that I was like I'm not happy with how I've depicted this person or this thing so I'll just do another version and get to the point where I am so there's a bit more kind of refining that I could do but yeah I do feel there is a kind of it's a great I mean you paint beautifully and I'm sure you feel the same that there's a headspace you get into when you're creating that is magic and is completely the place I want to be basically at all times I want to be in that sort of loose fluid thoughts come in and pass by yeah and you're not because you're because you're focused on some other thing but you can allow these things to come in and out great way of listening to podcasts or audiobooks or whatever because you you take them in in a way that you definitely wouldn't if you were just sort of sat listening to things so it's my the thing that consistently throughout my life has brought me solace joy happiness contentment is making I mean what it doesn't really matter what it is it's that having a focus when I was a kid it was making little animations on the computer how it's painting or sculpting or you know doing more with my hands I suppose gardening but like essentially having something that you're focused in on that isn't just am I how am I feeling today yeah you'll find out when you put the brush on the canvas same I feel I've tried to distill it down over the years and I used to be quite um sort of adrenalized when I was painting like it was a real rush and it was like manic and it was you know staying up late and music blaring and now actually when I'm painting I just feel well yes yes it's that simple I feel well yeah yeah everything is okay in my world in this moment but it can also be chaotic and like a party yeah because you can do an artwork if you put a big bit of canvas up and you just I've got this studio in my house now where I just nail a bit of canvas to the wall.

22:25Love. And then just get different paints and just whack it on and see how it feels and put on some house music, have a beer. It doesn't have to be – most of the time for me it is like sitting, calm, a bit of folk music and all that. But you can also do the chaos one. And so it doesn't have to – you can do all of the human emotion whilst painting but feel well as you're doing it and not feel like you're at a party and not really knowing what to say to people. And then you've got something to put on the wall at the end. To show at the end.

22:57Fearne Cotton: That's for me. It's like having something tangible at the end of the day that came from nowhere, came from nothing. I loved your giant woolly mammoth, Martin? Martin. Martin. Yeah. He was great. Thank you. I'm really proud of him. I bet you are. Where's he going to live? Well, he's... Is he still in Birmingham in the museum? He will be in Birmingham until February. so if you know anyone that wants a almost life-size pink mammoth i could fit him in the front room they're so up my street well you know let's keep talking okay because i do need someone to take him off my hands because he's definitely not going in my house but yeah like and that's the other side of things is when you collaborate with other people you get to be in that headspace with other people because they're you know particularly when you're doing the we did a lot of rug hooking for that so you just sat with people and they're focused in on doing rug hooking you're rug hooking so you're not looking at one another you can there's a whole thing about men particularly like they pick up on micro uh facial expressions apparently more so than women which surprises me which is why i think men prefer to like go to the football or go on a walk and that's when they connect rather than looking at another person and so if you're doing like rug hooking or some activity i just felt that i was getting really interesting conversation out of people that I probably wouldn't have got out of them if we were just sat down.

24:15And I was saying more interesting things or more kind of deep things because I wasn't censoring myself in the way that I might do if I wasn't focused in on something else. So being creative with other people is great as well. The best. It's just so good for you. And I hate this. I do think the art world is in some ways to blame for this sort of it has to be excellent. It has to be new and it has to be all of these things. and actually that stops people from doing it because they go well I'm not very good at this I'm not going to try because I'd have to dedicate my whole life to it and actually everybody should be doing some sort of drawing painting getting a ball of soil and turning it into a pot whatever it is agreed because it's so good for you and I mean the studies that say adds years on your life

25:02Fearne Cotton: make something it will help you I agree and I think the art world thing is so interesting and I've had so many conversations recently I've been um working on landscape artist of the year which comes out next year hosting it and talking to Ava who's amazing she curate runs freeze uh festival and is just the most brilliant woman and I was really honest with her and said like to me you are the coolest person on the planet like I'm not worthy I don't know enough about art I'm just a fan and she was like what a load of shit like you you like art you like art and you know yes she's very studied in the subject matter and knows a lot about it but actually it should just be about the pure enjoyment like what it makes you feel even if it's just looking at art but certainly when it's partaking get stuck in yes and but it's interesting because i've i'm enjoying your series of you talking about art that you like yeah and i noticed in the one of the ones that i watched that you sort of caveated it where you went, I'm not an expert.

26:00You sort of immediately sort of went, please, I'm not an expert, but this is things that I like. And I think you wouldn't do the same about like comedy or music. You wouldn't go, I'm not a musical historian, but I do like whatever. I know, it's so weird. But there's something about the art world where you feel like because the institutions are so impressive and there is so much history to it and there's all these movements and all of this. And the book that I found really helpful for this was, I think he's called John Armstrong and Alain de Botton wrote a book called Art as Therapy. And I found it so refreshing because it basically sort of debunked all of those sort of stuffy parts of the art world and gave some really practical ways that the art world could improve.

26:45and one of the ideas in there which i loved was about curation and how most galleries curate based on movements or historical periods or locations so they'll say italian paintings from 18 whatever and you go and look at them and you might enjoy them but there's no understanding or context as to why that affects why that should be relevant to you now in 2026 and they suggest that actually galleries should be presented as this floor is to do with love and this floor is to do with family and these artworks are from all different periods of time whatever but they all help with family and you go around and it might help you it might not help you but they should all something should help you if you've got an issue with grief or whatever great plan exactly and I was immediately like yes that is I would love to go to that gallery I think there's space for a retrospective of Hockney and all of his works because they all come from a similar place.

27:43There's space for all of that. But I'd love much more about like, come to the grief show.

27:47Fearne Cotton: Yeah, it'd be amazing to have that because sometimes you don't know why you're feeling a certain feeling. It's just like, this picture is powerful and I don't quite know why or who this artist even is. We had Alain de Botton on the podcast quite a few years ago now and he was fascinating. What a guy. Fascinating. I could have spoken to him for weeks on end. I'm a bit scared of him because I feel like he could run a cult quite well. Do you know what I mean? He's so smart. So smart. Okay, Alan, yeah, I'm sucking you off now, am I? That didn't happen during the podcast. That's good to know. Just a warning.

28:20Fearne Cotton: Right. In case you're expecting something. I won't listen to nothing. You do feel like he's looking through into your soul so that you can't hide any element of your personality. It's like very exposing, the whole thing. Are you tired of living in pain? going to the doctor, and left feeling completely dismissed and alone? Ever wondered whether anyone else lives the way that you live? They do, and I do. I'm Lindsay Soprano, and this is Giving Pain Purpose. Every week, I sit down with people who've walked through chronic pain and trauma and come out on the other side and talk about how they do it.

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31:10Fearne Cotton: my mom started painting my dad's a brilliant painter and my mom has always thought of herself as not being an artistic person and then when my mom and dad both stopped working they joined this art club locally to them and my mom is producing amazing like she's got a style i don't feel like I've got a style. I'm still yet to find what the hell that is. She's got a style and it's, it definitely gives her that like headspace every week and a little moment of joy and there's other people there. We need more art clubs in this country. Yeah. And it is, for lots of obvious reasons, the domain of children and pensioners because they've got the time and also that feeling of like, it doesn't really matter.

31:49It's just a hobby. Whereas I think when you're in sort of middle life, you feel like either it needs to sort of be uh contributing to your career or something yeah or or ultimately you know something that is helping you with your mental health or whatever and actually i just yeah i get very sad when anyone says that i'm not very creative or whatever because you are everyone is you just have to play it's play basically and i don't know where whether that's just something that our society has developed of like making things and painting or whatever has to stop at sort of 16 and then you have to grow up and unless you're going to take it seriously because I do just

32:29Fearne Cotton: think that's totally wrong I agree I think it probably starts in schools because it's always seen as like the oh it's the nothing you subject it's the that was my subject at school that was like my sanity through high school was having art class to go to I'd go to every extracurricular like anything to do with painting yeah I was in that room but it's still seen as like no no algebra is far more important arguably you're going to use art more than you are algebra in most jobs and life in terms of like visually looking at the world around you and being in awe finding beauty in things but we're still not putting any importance on it at all no well I mean successive governments have cut it all over the place as well and I think the space for all of these things I think algebra can be very beautiful and creative like maths when you like I love physics and I'm frustrated about my lack of knowledge in maths because maths is the language of physics so to really understand physics you kind of need to know equations but equations are such beautiful things you know like there's there's a real magic in those and so much creativity and you know einstein as an artist essentially you know so i think it's it doesn't matter where what form your creativity takes it could be maths it could be engineering any of these things it all involves you making creative decisions and thoughts yeah so i sort of i think it's all part of the same thing really yeah but i think because maybe there's this idea that it's sort of to do with um financial gdp output that governments kind of go well art is this they can't really quantify it properly and they don't it's not tangible to them so they don't really invest in it but the reason galleries are so impressive and you get to the tape or anything you know these buildings are huge amazing things is at some stage our society valued these things and built buildings that were impressive to hold them and now we go we might have to close that it breaks my heart yeah it makes i if i have a day or an afternoon off work that is my dream afternoon is and i do come out like buzzing i'm so inspired it could be watching a good film actually like the other i was really lacking in inspiration i watched the invite the other day oh is it good fucking brilliant yeah beyond funny clever slick it's one of the best things i've seen and afterwards i was buzzing with like my creative juices were flowing.

34:50Fearne Cotton: And I think we all need to feel that, whether it's cinema or a picture or a great book, whatever. We do need the relief from just life in general. As well as, you know, you're like juggling all of this stuff. So you're a father, you're doing stand-up, you're painting, which is a hobby that's also become part of your career. You've got other new projects on the go. How important is it for you or for your own sanity maybe to have like lots of things going on? Is it you need to be distracted? You need to prove something to yourself? I get bored very easily. So I, but also I love process. So for whatever reason, I was talking to a friend about this the other day.

35:31There's a part of me that isn't scared of trying a new thing. Yeah. And almost drawn to the new thing more than the old thing. And so I, particularly with this exhibition, you know, the big sculpture, I've never done a big sculpture like Martin before. we did stained glass I did uh collaborations with artists that were like sort of a bit more sort of mixed media things and lots of stuff that was out of my comfort zone but if I see somebody making something like pottery or something and I've not done it before and I can see them doing well I could try that I wouldn't do it as well as they're doing it but it would be something that I'd made for me and so why not let's have a go oh I'm terrible at it but I might get better so I'm not I'm not intimidated by anything like making anything and would love basically a hundred lifetimes to do everything that I would like to do so I get obsessed about a little thing over here and I get really into it for a while and then I kind of go all right I've got enough out of that as I can right now and then I get inspired by something else and so it's sort of it's a kind of I want the thing finished really so if I have an idea for a short film or something I'd love for it to be done immediately but then you don't learn anything without making it so then I do just end up kind of getting really obsessed with like an idea and then it has to exist and sort of become until it exists I have just I'm in some sort of uh I don't know what headspace it is but it's like a kind of uh bulldozery style it's going to happen even if it's sort of yeah yeah

37:05Fearne Cotton: I'm the same. Absolutely the same. So you've decided to have your own pub. Yes. Another thing to do. Well, yeah. Yeah. Well, this just comes out of my love of live TV because I'm so bored of TV that's pre-recorded. Yeah. I just don't want to do pickups. No. You know, when people go… Noddies. Noddies. Noddies, pickups, anything that's not real. So Spencer Jones, who's one of my favourite comedians and artists, actually. he i saw him at the edinburgh festival i try and see him every opportunity because he's so creative and so funny and he was talking about the fenton video and one of the best things ever yeah and he and he distilled it down he basically said when we are wandering around in life we are presenting like a version of ourselves the clothes that we wear the way we speak the way we hold ourselves we're kind of putting on a bit of an artifice and then you sort of trip over a step and go and that's the real you and the Fenton video the reason we love it is it's three minutes of him being the real him and I was like exactly that and live tv facilitates that yeah at certain points yes and but it also has the artifice so you start with like welcome to the show and we're doing all of that but at some point hopefully I'll trip over and then you'll see the real me and that will be the best bit of the show for me I'll be like yes great like I'm in a moment where somebody said something to me and I don't know how to respond to it.

38:29That's the moment you want.

38:31Fearne Cotton: Yes. And live TV is that. And at its best, I'm a bit older than you, but I think our generation grew up with like TFI Friday, Big Breakfast, Live and Kicking, SMTV. It was chaos. Yes. And that's why we watched it. There was nothing slick about any of those shows. No. TFI was absolute carnage from start to finish. And I never missed an episode. And it was real. So real. It's humans being humans and it's all very relatable. and I think when you watch like certain shows which have you can tell that they've you know they've done a pickup and you've got an answer from someone that's just slightly changed a word because they couldn't use the brand name or whatever all these things that happen in tv the minute I now I'm sat in a studio and it's a pre-record and I'm if I'm trying to host a show like that I just lose all of me yeah you become dead welcome back and like I just there's no part of me exists anymore no and do you think are we like have we moved away from that like live chaos because cancel culture is so prevalent and sometimes doesn't make sense that you're you can come away having done something that you felt was perfectly aligned with your values but you could still be called out because you didn't know something yes well also just yeah i think i think it's sort of it's sort of oscillated a bit but i do feel like people are more forgiving now and And there's so many things to kind of get angry about that nobody really like leans into any.

39:52Like you can get away with sort of getting things wrong. Do you think? I think, yeah.

39:56Fearne Cotton: I don't feel like the tides have turned yet. Oh, really? No, but I don't do enough live stuff. Maybe I've just got away with too much stuff. I don't know. But also, I don't feel like I'm going to, I mean, remind me of this. Oh, no touch everything, touch wood. When my career is in the toilet. But I feel like if you're coming from a place of sort of goodwill. Yes. You're going to get things wrong. but you can make them right by and large you can sort of you know say something wrong in the moment oh i didn't mean it like that or whatever people get that i think and then if they don't then you know they're not kind of coming at it in good faith there's lots of people that i would just you've lost the room with immediately because they don't like you anyway so like yeah i don't know and it's that that's part of the excitement of it is kind of high wine this is my dream tv because as you say it's live anything could happen yeah it's set in a pub so you've got like pub culture this very british pub culture woven into it yeah pints of whatever people are drinking entertainment a quiz a quiz we're basically my favorite oh well this is a quiz like no other because there's no real questions it's some of the rounds are i kind of don't want to spoil it it's jake bardwaj who is okay one of the most amazing people alive and has worked behind the scenes on lots of tv shows i've done and has always been clearly destined for for on camera stuff and i'm really excited for what he's going to bring to it but yeah we're trying to essentially condense a full week of pub into one hour so all the things that would happen in that week so you know a fight might break out you might have karaoke you might have a quiz you might have a comedian doing a turn you might have some sort of drama you might need to change a keg in the cellar and who's in the cellar it's all these things and it happens in a condensed 46 minutes with ad breaks and we'll see if I have a career at the end of it.

41:43Fearne Cotton: Have you ever seen a celebrity in a pub in the wild? Oh, I'm sure I must have done. Yes, James McAvoy I saw in a pub and I asked him for a picture and this was when I was a lot younger and I did it in an obnoxious way and he said no. And I, at the time, was like, and now as someone older, I'm like, I completely respect that. I'm so glad that he did that to me because it made me think about, yeah, this is a human that I... Having a pint. And I was really pissed as well. I once saw Simon Le Bon in a pub and ended up sort of joining his night. Oh, fun. I was with a mate, he was with a mate, and we ended up sort of like having some drinks in a pub garden.

42:19Magic. Yeah. That's what, again, pubs facilitate these things. You know, this is one of the reasons I wanted to do the show is that we're losing pubs, and they are a place where humans can mix, and we're running out of those spaces. is there's so much it's one of the things that i'm resisting about uh birmingham is they're trying to open some like private members clubs there and i i loved soho back in the day when it was like free flowing and there was always like a couple of in in my maybe kind of rose tinted view of soho there was always somewhere for you to go yeah regardless of status or financial whatever and now it's like if you don't have a card or you know somebody or whatever you can't it in which is such a sort of um to be frank tory way of looking at the world is like well if you haven't got the right status and you don't know the right people you can't come into anywhere and it just restricts so many people but actually the most interesting people aren't rich or high status they're often like the people who are just observing the world and sat on a street corner most of the day having a pint those are the people that i'm much more interested in most of the time

43:28Fearne Cotton: and pubs are a leveler because every everyone loves going to a pub exactly yeah so the minute you kind of make it a membership situation you've sort of lost me there because i think well unless your membership is everyone then it's not that interesting and it becomes like a bit of a kind of display of it's a status status and wealth i once uh don't get me wrong you know i love a bougie you know a bougie night out of babington house but i wouldn't like the whole world

43:57Fearne Cotton: i once had a near miss with robert plant in a pub in dorset i got there and someone was like you've just missed Robert Plant and he's one of my ultimate heroes I was devastated yeah but that wouldn't well it would happen in Babington House probably but it wouldn't you know a normie wouldn't be in Babington House they'd be in a Wetherspoon somewhere and you want Robert to go into a Wetherspoon yes so brilliant have you got um a karaoke song that you like to do Lose Yourself by Eminem oh nice because I don't know the first two verses off by heart but I do know the last one So I'll do the first two off screen and people go, oh, he's having a good go.

44:33And then suddenly I'm off screen and I'm walking around the room and everyone's losing their minds. I love that.

44:39Fearne Cotton: I know the last word in every sentence in Beastie Boys Intergalactic. That's all you need. That's all you need. So I go, walk, run. And I feel like I'm doing it, but I'm missing out. The whole sentence is absent. There's a remix waiting to happen there. I think so. I think I haven't done karaoke very much in my life, which feels like it needs to be rectified. I've done it twice. Once was ABBA Dancing Queen in Mallorca. It was a two-star hotel in Alcudia. And me and my friend won, but there were only two contestants. Fine. We won a bottle of wine. You're a winner. I'm a winner. And then the second time was with it.

45:23Fearne Cotton: It was a Radio 1 gathering at a bowling alley. And I was absolutely shit-faced. And I chose, and this proves the level of shitfacedness, Adele. What's the song called? Set Fire to the Rain. Oh, yeah. Set Fire to the Rain. Yeah. I chose an Adele song. Wow. And how did that go for you? So badly. And Greg James videoed it. So there is somewhere. I'm hoping it's been wiped on an old laptop. I'll be texting him after this. I will be texting him. It's so wild. But I've always had a feeling privately, like when I'm in my car listening to music, that I could probably do quite a good job of Bon Jovi dead or alive.

46:00Why not? I mean, right now, after this, there'll be some sort of karaoke booth. You could book it out for yourself. Just test it.

46:07Fearne Cotton: What, just like midday on a Wednesday? Yeah. What's stopping you from doing that? Your cell phone. Every fibre in my body is stopping me from doing that. Well. But there is a slight desire that I should do it at some point. Well, I'm happy to facilitate that. Okay. if you want you know a calm friendly presence I will come and sit and I'll give notes afterwards but they'll be from a compassionate place I think do you know what I think the first 30 seconds will be very awkward because I'll be really aware of how my singing voice sounds yeah you'll go why am I in a booth with Joe Lycett singing Bon Jovi how has this happened seemed like a fun idea when he mentioned it now the reality is awkward and really I mean he has other things that he needs to get to but he's cancelled them and I should go and see my kids but here I am I'm singing Bon Jovi in central London.

46:56Fearne Cotton: But I do think I would get into it after 30 seconds. If I could lose myself enough. I would be into it from now to like for the rest of my life, just so you're aware. So it's all on you. It's up to you, your decision. I've got to film some social stuff later. We can film social stuff whenever. I've just got to mull it over. We're going for karaoke. Fucking hell. I think everyone in their lifetime once has to do it, whether you can sing or not. Have you got karaoke on the show? Probably, yeah. Darts? Yes, definitely darts. Pool table. Yeah, I love darts. My nan and grandad were really good at darts.

47:36Fearne Cotton: They had a whole spare bedroom full of darts trophies. Really niche. The energy of a darts game as well is exactly the sort of thing that I want to capture. Yes. That kind of boozy, everyone being real, loud, really into it. I do think a lot of that's been lost just because of camera phones. It's like people are just scared of being filmed. I don't know if you watch any of, oh, what's his name? The guy who did Shifty and all of those brilliant documentaries. His name will come to me. Adam Curtis. Right. And he did an interview where he was talking about, because all of his documentaries use archive, and he basically has pinpointed the year when everyone stopped being natural on camera.

48:12And if you watch people on camera from, it's somewhere in the 70s, sort of in the 60s, people don't know what it means to be on camera, so they're just being themselves. And then suddenly in the 70s they go, oh well this could be watched later so i will and they start to do that so if that's gone forever nobody will be natural in front of a camera ever again no because we all know what it is and that because we're constantly surrounded by cameras everywhere we may never be natural again as a

48:40Fearne Cotton: species isn't that so weird i am so aware of that i mean i've been on camera since i was about 16 But I've never, ever lost that subterranean thought of you could relax a bit more. Like you're still not completely yourself. I don't know if I'll ever reach it. Yeah. I mean, so one of the worst things that could happen to me is if Ant and Dec do one of those hidden camera things. Worst. They did one to Alison Hammond where she was in a hotel and she went into the hotel room and they had cameras in the hotel room. and I was like the minute I get into a hotel room I'm having a shit or a wank or both and if Ant and Dec are watching that with a little headpiece on I mean it's a disaster so I like those are those are the safe spaces for me and I you know after a long day you get into a hotel room that is terrifying to me yeah but now because they've done that to Alison Hammond I basically so sometimes like if I'm in my head about it and I think I'm I feel vulnerable but I'm doing something like a shit or whatever and I feel like maybe Ant and Dec are filming it because that's what they do I just go cunt, cunt, cunt, cunt because they can't use it then I'll say something appalling I'll accuse them of some sort of crime that they've done something just so that Ant and Dec can't use it Ant and Dec have given you toilet Tourette's Yeah, basically Wow This is a real thing The hidden camera paranoia Yeah, yeah And it's not their fault because Noel Edmonds did it first and someone else did it before them, before him.

50:13So, yeah.

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52:48Fearne Cotton: Obviously, you are known for pranks. I would class that as a prank. Yeah. Pranks to me are the most uncomfortable feeling ever. I don't like the people I'm with to get the wrong idea about me, what's happening. I like absolute clarity. and I've only been pranked once on telly. This was years, I was probably like 19. It was on CBBC and I was called in for a meeting. Bastards. Called in for a meeting at the BBC and I got in a black cab and I think I was like, I was probably picking my nose, snacking all sorts of stuff. I was panicking about after. And as I arrived in the donut, the old BBC building, they had a troop of cheerleaders who were like singing my name in a marching band.

53:27And because I was so overwhelmed, I got teary. aww that's lovely though what a lovely response but embarrassing

53:35Fearne Cotton: I should have been like way and I was like all choked up like they've done this for me I like took it really literally aww it was no that's lovely I don't know about that but I'm not good with that feeling yeah how do you navigate that well I hate it as well do you and that real like iron taste in the mouth where you're like I've made this person uncomfortable or whatever but I I never did pranks for the sake of it it was always for for something so it was always to take on a company or somebody doing wrong so if I felt like it was had a good purpose for it what we were doing then I didn't mind it but I still in the act of doing it hated it and it felt so uh like like you were talking about every fiber of your being being against what you were doing I had to sort of overcome that and I think it was quite good in lots of ways to sort of learn that you can do something that feels so not comfortable but push through it anyway for what I saw as a greater good at the time.

54:33Yeah, like the David Beckham one.

54:34Fearne Cotton: I can't imagine the discomfort that you had during... Yeah. It's an unmasked global commentary about what you were doing. Yeah, yeah. And the act of, even though I knew I wasn't shredding real money, the act of doing it because people would think it was what I was actually doing was so horrible and uncomfortable. But that's quite exciting, isn't it, when you're in a place like that? I don't know if I can get to excitement. I think I'd be too panicked. well this is the thing when like i when i started doing stand-up i was so frightened that i was just in fear until the end of the gig and now when i get that sort of buzz of like nerves i can channel it now because i've done it for so long i'm going how exciting something exciting is going to happen so it becomes not nerves it becomes like oh and i do before any live tv now have like a little moment where i just go this is gonna be fun isn't it i don't know what's going to happen it'll be fun yeah and rather than go like oh god what if it goes badly you have to basically just change it in your brain and go you're feeling all of this because you're about to have fun yes and then you go and have fun and actually if you can channel it properly those nerves are it is the same feeling ultimately nerves and excitement are ultimately the same chemicals it feels like to me i'm sure i mean i've heard it i've read it in psychology books i've heard people say it i've never mastered it I used to do live tv with ease and I was absolutely fine and I felt as comfy as I would have been going into a supermarket yeah then I had this like really bad patch of shit go down and my mental health was bad and I've never gotten back to that place yeah and I still feel more terrified disproportionately so than I do excited and I can't quite meld those feelings yet and I really want to in the future because I'd love to do it again yeah yeah I think I think I'd love to do it again I'd like the option to do it again but in my head at the moment it's like that is not safe well trust that then as well yeah because also hosting live tv is not a normal thing to do for a human so it's not something that you need to do no like you I think you'll be fine without it yeah yeah yeah but if it's something that you want to overcome then it's worth like exploring that but for me like I've always loved watching live tv so I always wanted to sort of be in live TV because it looked fun.

56:50And then the first few times I did it, it wasn't fun because I was too scared. And I thought, well, that's pointless. Because ultimately the first thing when I watched TFI on these shows is I want to be there. That seems fun. And then when you get there and you're not having fun, you go, well, there's no point. So now the only reason to do it is to have fun. So if you're nervous, you have to channel that into fun. Otherwise, don't do it is essentially how I'm approaching it.

57:13Fearne Cotton: Yeah. I think that's really handy for people to hear that, I don't know, have to stand up in front of a room of people and do a presentation at work or you know anything that feels out of the ordinary they've got to do make an awkward phone call talk to people about something that they feel worried about to try and channel a level of positivity into those nerves is always going to be helpful yeah and i think being a comic helps with that as well because ultimately everything's funny so if you could if it's a complete disaster that's sort of you've got an anecdote exactly so like i do try to approach everything as like well this is you You know, we'll all be dead in like seconds ultimately and none of it matters.

57:48Fearne Cotton: That's my go-to is in 100 years I won't be here. No, yeah. Doesn't fucking matter. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Before we wind things up, two questions. First one, we are making a Happy Place playlist with songs that make you feel excellent. What's going on there? Oh, my go-to throughout my life has been All I Need by Air, which is a chill out. yeah classic and just immediately lowers the blood pressure and heart rate and just takes me to somewhere that's very calm and it would be on any playlist ever in my life basically and it like sort of pops back up from time to time so that one and then maybe sunscreen by Baz Luhrmann because all of life's advice is in there so it still holds up you would think that The advice might need to be updated, but no.

58:42No, no. I think all of it is sort of bang on, actually. It's really good, isn't it? You would think that some of it would be accidentally racist or something.

58:49Fearne Cotton: Yeah, or just like obsolete. But no, we need all of it still. And where is your happy place? I realised that I'm very fortunate because in a universe as big as the universe that we're in and across all of sort of time and space when my son wakes up in the middle of the night and gets into bed with me and my partner and we cuddle is is the best place in the universe and I get to experience that most nights and I was in it like a few weeks ago and I was like oh this is like this is it isn't it there's something really you feel it physically like it's there like a kind of like and just a complete contentment and amazement at the universe that this human exists and you're responsible for them and all of the things that come with that.

59:45So for me, right now, it's about 3am when the Punisher gets in, unless he's in a Wrigley phase, in which case it's the worst place in the world.

59:57Fearne Cotton: Yeah, it's a thin veneer between the two. Yeah, and he's at a real good height for kicking me in the bollocks. Yeah, yeah, right in the nuts. Yeah, I know. We're very much encouraged to phase that out. Like, don't let them sleep in the bed. Don't let them kick you in the bollocks. I mean, my son, he's a massive bloke. He's never going to get in bed with me. On holiday this year, my daughter a couple of times came from the kids' room into mine. And I was like, I felt so honoured. And then when you wake up in the morning and their little sleepy face is right there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my happy place.

1:00:29I love that

1:00:30Fearne Cotton: that's a gorgeous and then any pub in Birmingham love it and the Lycett Arms let's have that and the Lycett Arms yeah yeah yeah of course well Jo I'm so happy that we got to hang out today yeah I want to and so we're off to karaoke now we're not off to karaoke right immediately it might it might happen in our future yeah fine but we should definitely like go to an art gallery or something together 100 % or like do a painting day together 100 % should we do it I would be so happy to do that me too Who? Okay, it's on. Yeah, great. Thank you for having me. Oh my God, I think I'm manifesting my dream day out with Joe, which is just to go to an art exhibition and wander around with him looking at art.

1:01:11Fearne Cotton: I can't think of a better way to spend my time, quite frankly. And we just need to have a painting day. Like, we're going to put on the folk music, as he suggested earlier, and just do a day of painting. Oh my God, how delightful. I'm here for it. You can watch Jo on the Lyset Arms on Channel 4 from the 4th of September. Right, have you been reading this month's Happy Place Book Club book, Family Friends? The most divine summer read of all time. Author Chloe Ashby is going to be joining me here in just a couple of days time. So if you've been reading along with us with the Happy Place Book Club community, you are not going to want to miss that episode because we talk about the whole damn thing.

1:01:50Fearne Cotton: In the meantime, a massive thanks again to Jo and you lovely lot. you are the bloody best.

1:02:16Fearne Cotton: Happy Place is researched by me, Fern Cotton. The producer is Anushka Tate at Happy Place Studios with studio engineering by Basil Oxterby. Are you tired of living in pain, going to the doctor and left feeling completely dismissed and alone? Ever wondered whether anyone else lives the way that you live? They do, and I do. I'm Lindsay Soprano, and this is Giving Pain Purpose. Every week I sit down with people who've walked through chronic pain and trauma and come out on the other side and talk about how they do it. You don't have to do this alone. Find Giving Pain Purpose wherever you get your podcasts.

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