Sam Thompson: "My mind doesn’t switch off!" People pleasing and ADHD hyperfocus

0:00Fearne Cotton: Hello and welcome to Happy Place with me, Fearne Cotton. Today, one of the many brilliant live episodes from the Happy Place Festival London. I'm chatting to Sam Thompson. The lady who diagnosed me went, so obviously you have ADHD. She was like, you're quite high on the spectrum. And she went, I just want to let you know something. You can forgive yourself for everything that happened in the past of your school and the way you grew up and how you felt about yourself. And she went, I also want to let you know, you should be really proud of yourself. You're a very special boy. And I wept. And I didn't know the weight I had until it had been lifted.

0:39And I'm more myself now than I've ever been.

0:42Fearne Cotton: Oh, my God, this was the best day ever. It was so hot. The sun was blazing. But there was a cool breeze at Aldeer Park in Richmond. The atmosphere was bloody electric. I was looking around at so many happy beaming faces. I don't think I saw one frown all day. And then inbound Sam Thompson, like a little Labrador puppy with a huge grin on his face. Sam was a delight from start to finish at the Happy Place Festival. He came in with so much amazing energy. He put on some Happy Place merch, which was just the sweetest thing ever. He put the cap on, he put the T-shirt on. He was just having the best time.

1:24and he must have taken 500 selfies.

1:27Fearne Cotton: It could be more. He was stood with practically a queue of people at the festival taking picture after picture after picture. He is an absolute ray of sunshine, that man. And we just loved him being there. We were so grateful. We had this amazing talks tent. We have it every year. It's the biggest tent at the festival. It's a massive bloody big marquee with loads of seats and we pack it out all throughout the weekend because we've got great people telling great stories and doing talks, whether it's real life stories or expert led advice. We had everyone from Ruby Wax to Talisa to Candice Carty Williams, many of these chats you're going to hear as well.

2:10Fearne Cotton: But it was just brilliant. And I learned a lot from sitting and listening to these talks over the weekend. One of them was the wonderful Sam Thompson, who joined me on the talk stage. He's obviously had an incredible career from made in Chelsea to TV presenting to running his own production company and podcast, staying relevant with his best mate, who he talks about in this episode in many interesting ways, Mr. Pete Wicks. We are wearing matching T-shirts during this episode because I had my Happy Place merch on and he really liked the T-shirt. It's got like a little leopard print collar that he was really into.

2:45Fearne Cotton: So we're twinning during this. And I love this chat. There's a lot in there. We talk about what I love about Sam is when you follow him on Instagram, he's got this amazing relationship with his nephew. He is Mr. Funkle. We chat about that. We talk about anxiety and panic attacks. We also talk about some of the positives that he draws from having ADHD, one being hyper focus and how that helps him out with things that he's very passionate about. While every other channel is fighting for your customers' attention, podcasts are where they've already given it. No one accidentally listens to a podcast for 45 minutes.

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3:51Fearne Cotton: Right, let's do it. Here's the show.

4:15Fearne Cotton: Have you all had a lovely day one at the Happy Place Festival 2026? Come on! Very awkwardly, me and Sam are wearing the same T-shirt, as you can see. Twinning! Not the same shorts, sadly. That would have been a look. But please, everybody, give it up for the brilliant Sam Thompson. Hello! Oh, what a pleasure to be here, man. we only we only have nice people here there are no idiots allowed so you will have a blast do you know what I was literally saying to film when I walked in the energy in here is phenomenal like the vibe is so good and like everyone that I met on the way through here like everyone wants a hug I'm a big hugger so like yeah it was real nice I had a great time a lot of sweaty hugs going on a lot of sweat and that's mostly for me so I do apologise to anyone who I do hug but it is it's good vibes there's lots of reasons why there are good vibes as I said no morons allowed no alcohol which makes a big difference because everyone's kind of on an even keel and we just keep it nice and chilled yeah do you know what nice and calm i saw a bit of yoga over there as well and i was like could could after this have a little i don't know a little a little downward dog i've never done it i've never done yoga before we're gonna get you in there but i'd love to get me in you i'm feeling like the happy hub which is our new area is a bit of you there was hula hooping there was line dancing i love like oh my god i would have loved to do that i knew it that would have been so fun yeah how many people did it was there like yes everyone did a lot of people were line dancing there's all sorts here i'm imagining i think my brain is a bit like yours it doesn't stop making noise yeah and so for me i find and some people might not know this, but I find meditating almost impossible.

6:04Fearne Cotton: And I do try it and then I fall off the wagon, but it's just a very difficult concept to sit there with all the stuff. I have the exact same thing. I had that app called Headspace. I used to sit there and I'd do the whole thing. I just physically couldn't do it. That's not been against the app. My brain, what I used to have is I used to sit there and be like, okay, here we go. And then I'd talk to myself and I'd be like, and then I'd be like, dude, you're not, you're not, like, I'd have an argument with myself in my head. And be like, just shut up. And I'd be like, no, you shut up. And then the whole 15 minutes of breathing, I was like, oh, that, well, I didn't breathe right there.

6:41That's like, well, I might as well just give up. And they'd be like, don't open your eyes. I'd open my eyes. I'd be like, well, he's opened his fucking eyes now. Do you know what's wild? It's the best form of meditation that I ever have. And I feel like we all have our sort of our vice. Mine is either watching a fantasy movie.

6:56Fearne Cotton: Okay, what were we talking? a millionth time. Is this like a fairy thing? So it'd be like a Lord of the Rings or like something I can get lost in because it's not of this world. Something that's not of this sort of world or gaming are my two things that I can get absolutely lost in and I'll come out so zen. Yes. And it's the best excuse to my girlfriend ever because I get home and I'm like, gosh, really stressful day. Better watch Lord of the Rings. Exactly. The trilogy. No, I hear you. And I think that's definitely what we're trying to do here is to show that, you know, the word wellness slightly gives me the ick because it can just be a certain set of prescriptive things.

7:37Fearne Cotton: Like you've got to be able to do yoga or whatever. It's like absolute rubbish. Whatever makes you feel great and makes you feel well is wellness. I so agree. For me, painting is the one thing where I just my brain flatlines. It's just silent. I don't have many thoughts and I feel so calm afterwards. you've got to definitely try it all out and find your... It might be line dancing. That could be your form of... It could be mine, to be fair. That could be your new thing. I could see you in a pair of Daisy Dukes and a pair of Cowboys. If you do it with me, I am so in. It is on. I'm so happy to have you on the podcast.

8:11Fearne Cotton: And I've been wanting to have a chat with you. We've had your sister on already. Have you? Yes. Good as she told me. Class. She is a phenomenal woman, as you well know. Yeah, she's the better Thompson for sure. No, come on. No, no, she is. Trust me. In all things. We had such a great chat and she's brilliant. And you are the most brilliant uncle to her son. I love watching your relationship and how close you are to her and how you've taken on your nephew in the way that you have. It's gorgeous. He's a, I mean, he's a very special boy. There's a lot of me in him, which I'm like, I don't know if that's a good thing or not.

8:45But like, he is like, you know, it's interesting because like, he's not my child, right? So I remember when he first, I mean, Louise had an incredibly traumatic birth, which a few of you may know. And like when I first held him, I was like, what am I going to feel like? Like, how is this going to go? And if I'm completely honest, and I feel like that's what we're here for, right? It's just, you know, being honest with yourself. I was like, I feel like I'm holding a stone that shits in six. And I was like, there was no like personality or anything. Because I've never seen a newborn before. And I was like, I thought something was wrong with me.

9:21I was like, come on, come on. Give me something. I need to love you and you need to love me. And I felt really guilty. And I remember actually saying to Louise Anne Ryan, I was like, how do I do, like how do I bond and vibe with little Leo? And I think like only like two, two and a half. He's now nearly five. Oh man, he's just like, it's like an energy thing. And I'll pick him up from school. and there's no better feeling for an uncle than going in to, because I'm sure a lot of you are parents and when you're a parent, they're so attached to you, right? And so stealing a tiny bit of attachment for yourself is pretty awesome.

10:06And I walk into the nursery and he'll turn around and his face will go, I'm like, yes, yes!

10:12Fearne Cotton: That's so great! Fuck your parents! But in all seriousness, like it's it's the most I'm swearing a lot by the way apologies it's the most wonderful feeling and I and and I it almost sounds cringy but like it's a love that I've never felt before and you know when they say like you'd die for something like I would I would I would anything for him you are the best uncle I love that and also the great thing about being an uncle is at the end of the day you give him back yeah yeah oh my god you give him back bye by the way babysitting like at night is hard. Nightmare, absolute nightmare. But like, it was like, it was like nine o 'clock.

10:53Yeah, they won't go to bed. And I was like, go to bed, man. No, they don't. And he was like, he was like, no. And I was like, oh, come to bed with you. Like, I'll lie to you. I'll read you a book, a story. He went, no, you tell me story down here. Yes. And I went, I'm negotiating with a four-year-old. Yeah. And he's winning. Yes. And I couldn't understand it. And then I was like, he was like, I wait till mummy and daddy get home. And I went, but they're getting home at like midnight. And then he went, give me sweet. And I went, okay, I know how this plays out. Sugar before bed, not an option. No.

11:23So I've literally been like, right, I know that Louise and Ryan and my brother-in-law had hidden the sweets away. So I was like, no sweet. And he knew where to find them normally and they'd moved them. So I went, oh, he goes, I'll have that. That's healthy. And it was like a fruit roll-up thing.

11:37Fearne Cotton: Oh, yeah. And I was like, yeah, that sounds about right. It's got fruit in it. Mate, it's the amount of sugar. This dude was bouncing off the walls. It was midnight. Yeah. Midnight. And my sister and Ryan come back. And they went, how is he still awake? And I went, I don't know. I'm near tears. I was like, I don't know. Please let me babysit. I don't know what's happened. And he went, he saw like five wrappers of fruit roll-ups. Five, yeah. And he went, what the fuck is that? And I went, I thought it was fruit. And he went, that's the worst thing you can give him. The worst. Before bed. No idea.

12:10Anyway, sorry, really long story. But yeah, it's the magic of being an uncle is you learn in increments, which I think is really important.

12:18Fearne Cotton: Yeah, it's good. You're getting a little flavour of it. It's good times. But yeah, bedtime is the absolute pits. My kids are 10 and 13 and it's still a nightmare. Why? It should be a simple thing. Please go to bed. Okay, never. It's never happened in the history of me being a parent. It's a nightmare. We obviously initially knew you from Made in Chelsea. Me and my kids, they've actually now left the vicinity because my son was like, why is there no meat and can I leave? Okay, so he's gone. He's 13. We loved watching you on Get Me Out of Here. Just seeing you. Yeah, it was so great. Yeah, best show I've ever done in my life.

12:55Fearne Cotton: Yeah, it was so great because you were just 100 % yourself, which sounds like an easy thing, but it is not. When you've got, you know, you've got cameras, whether you start to forget about that or not, you know millions of people are watching, probably judging your every move, interaction, but you were just so properly yourself. and it was just, it was a joy to watch. Thank you, that's really kind of you. It was the best thing I've ever done. Was it really? You loved it? I would go back in a heartbeat. Would you? Yeah, I think I was very lucky though, but I mean, two things. First of all, like I'm a fan more than anything else.

13:27Like I've been a fan of TV and yours, to be honest with you. And, you know, I mean, God, and Dec. Oh, we love them. Yeah, but like, I'm like a super fan. I used to sit down on my living room floor with my parents years and years ago watching the jungle yeah and so like to have the opportunity to do it i did it practically for free by the way like some people get mega money on that show i literally went i'll pay you yeah i'm not even joking i mean deadly serious so you had these chats with like the big bosses you know how it works yeah yeah these chats i literally turned around and went i'll do anything yeah like i just i like i'm such a big to get to like go and experience that and then like cyclone all that kind of stuff and then so so that was one half and I'd get to meet Aunt Dex.

14:10And by the way, they are as nice as you.

14:12Fearne Cotton: Oh, they are the loveliest humans. Because a lot of time, you know, you go, are you actually that nice? They are almost even nicer. They say never meet your heroes, but do meet them. And the show, I'll say this as well, TV, and again, I think you'll probably know this as well, there are a lot of shows, I think, out there that are painted as really beautiful, lovely shows and actually inside are quite sinister in some settings. Yeah, they're awful. In some settings. Yeah. I can safely say that the jungle is the most beautiful, family-friendly. It's absolutely wonderful. The care they give you and everyone's just there for a good time and they're not trying to screw anyone over.

14:47It was just beautiful. I'm not getting paid by them or anything like that. I had the most magical time and I was in there with the most amazing people. Tony Bellew is just a boy. And then Marvin Humes, he's the best dad. He's the best human. I mould myself to Marvin Humes. Do you?

15:05Fearne Cotton: He's your inspo Be more Marvin I'm not even talking about in the world I'm not even talking about in my friendship I'm talking about in the world I haven't met a better man as a man I've never met a better man than Marvin Humes He's the best dad I've ever seen in my life He's the best husband I've ever seen in my life and they have the best family and he's just a polite my mum adores him like I'll never forget when me and Pete did a show for our podcast and he was like by far the most famous person in the green room and Marvin Hume was literally going around to my mum to my family introducing himself saying like I was excited what a beautiful soul he is what a guy so I was very lucky with the jungle so you do forget well I forgot anyway because I'm pretty I'm kind of like that but like yeah I forgot the cameras on I think I had a panic attack on day one what do you mean I didn't know that oh mate I walked in I was so excited and I sit on this bug bed and I was like, oh, oh shit, I'm here.

16:06Yes. And I went, I'm doing the jungle and then like, and it all just hits you because you go in and you get thrown in and you forget and then like, you have your own thoughts and I sat there and I was rubbing my legs like this. I was like, oh my God, I'm like in the jungle and I'm panicking now. Oh my God. And I started getting really dizzy. Oh, I hate that feeling. I had to lie down and I knew Nella Rose a little bit, lovely lady and I literally went up to her and tapped her on the leg. I went, Nella? She went, I think I'm having a panic attack.

16:32Fearne Cotton: Sam, but it's the worst, that dizzy, I'm leaving my body feeling. I haven't quite a lot. Not fun. Well, you had it more than once there. No, it was only once there. I just get it through life. Yeah, I know, same. Yeah, I get it through life. And then we notice it, like, oh, my God. I know. I mean, you've talked a hell of a lot about anxiety and that sort of starting in your 20s. So panic attacks, they're still kind of on the scene a bit. Yeah, but I know how to deal with it a little bit more now. Like, I'm less panicked about the panic attack now, which is funny because it's the same thing with my I used to have insomnia back in the day I don't have it anymore um well I do it me now and then I don't know if it really goes but but when I first had that I didn't sleep for like months like I I obviously like your body shuts off eventually and you get sort of five hours but yeah I I was in a really bad spot I remember it happening and being like I'm dying I was like I can't figure it out and um and then I went to a the most amazing therapist and she was like i promise you it's because you're worried about not sleeping yeah i mean i i have that at the moment every single night and and but then she goes let me tell you something she goes you're not gonna die if you don't sleep at night you're gonna be okay you're gonna wake up the next morning you're just gonna be tired it's gonna be okay and the moment i relaxed about it it got a little bit easier and i find that with life not just like sleeping i find that with life where it's just like if you feel like you're about whenever i get wobbly or anything like that I'm like well if I pass out pass out like you know it is what it is yeah I don't have to fear so much anymore yeah I I totally hear you because I I mean I haven't had as many panic attacks recently but I had a patch where they were prevalent I was having them all day long and it was the pits and I'm I can very much adopt that day-to-day with panic where I can override it and think all right if I fainted on this stage right now I'm sure actually most people would probably come over and help me and say you okay it's probably shit myself but other than that like it'll be fine.

18:26Fearne Cotton: Yeah, you'd be like, and what now? But it's not the worst nightmare case that you think. But with sleep, I still find that one so hard and I had a good patch of sleep maybe at the start of the year. I've regressed and it's bumming me out because I'm doing exactly what you've just said, worrying. Like, oh, the next day's a write-off. Everything's going to be ruined. Yeah, that's what I do. And actually, you're so right. It's not. More often than not, you're like, yes, I'm a bit tired. Then you sort of forget that you're tired and you crack on with the day and it's okay. But in the moment... Oh, the moment.

18:54Fearne Cotton: When it's dark at night. Yeah, quiet. I hate quiet. And my brain is chatting. So what I will do today is when I get in bed later, I will, whether I like it or not, replay most of the conversations I've had today as I'm trying to go to sleep. That's relaxing. I'll hear your voice in my head. That's what I'll be hearing tonight. Oh, you know what that? Oh, I will be. Not at midnight. And I can't override it. And I'm just having a bad patch at the moment. But I know that it's, you get fits and starts. You have a bad patch. you have a good patch again, it's okay. And it's good to remember that. It's also good to hear someone like you say that, like, yeah, I used to, and now I'm feeling a bit better.

19:32Fearne Cotton: It's possible to override it. I completely, I get tinnitus as well. Do you? Yeah, yeah, I've got the whole shebang. Yeah, tinnitus is savage. I don't know if anyone else has got tinnitus here, but like, if you try and sleep and the ringing, it's in your skull and you're like, this can't be right. No. Something's got to be wrong here. I remember going to an ear special, and he went, mate, I don't know what to say, you've got tinnitus and I went, well, how do we deal with it? It's got to be some pill that I can take or something and he literally went, there is nothing, there's quite literally nothing you can do and I went, but it won't stop.

20:05No. And he went, well, that's just, that's life.

20:07Fearne Cotton: Yeah. Doesn't Jamie Lang have it as well? he's got it, but ours is very linked actually. It comes from anxiety. Right. Yeah. And so at night, I get more anxious at night and then at night, it's like a drill in your ear. Not all the time. No. Sometimes. And again, you just sort of learn that it's not the end of the world and it just becomes annoying. Yeah. So say you're in that state, you know, you're feeling a bit anxious, you're on edge. Maybe things like tinnitus are peaking because of that. Is there anything that you you do that you rely on to try and reset yourself slightly and feel a bit better?

20:43Yeah, I think for me is that I have my three. I call them my three. And it's one of the people I call. Pete is one of them. We love Pete. If he picks up. Right. Which he's not very good at at the moment, by the way. Yeah, I wonder why. Pete is one of my calls. My sister is another one of my calls, my girlfriend. And so my three, I call my three. and if I'm ever having a tough time, I know one of them will pick up and I can sort of like talk. If it gets real bad, I've got a friend who, does anyone watch, does anyone used to watch Main Chelsea back in the day? Do you know who Lucy Watson is?

21:23Fearne Cotton: Yes. So she's not one of my three. So I, her husband, James Dunmore, if anyone knows who that is, he commonly gets called Lucy's husband, which he's a lovely guy. And I'll call him and I'll go, big dog, I need to have a Nando's with you on me. Right, love that. And that is code for, I've got a lot on my mind. I'm struggling at the moment. Can we have a chat for like two hours? And he goes, oh, for fuck's sake. And so like, but he knows he gets three Nando's, three whole chicken and he sits there and I moan at him for about two hours straight and I just moan and moan and moan. And I am not joking.

22:06All of that anxiety and all of that stuff washes away over Nando's. If you find the right person, I'm very lucky that I've got a few.

22:12Fearne Cotton: Why is he the person? What makes him a good person to use as a bit of a soundboard? Because he's cynical as hell. Right. And I'm not. Okay. So, like, I will, like, I'll be like, the world's against me. And he'll be like, shut up. You're absolutely fine. Right. He's actually like, you've had a great month or whatever. Like, you've just done the jungle or whatever it is. He's like, mate, you think, like, get outside your own heads. and I really need people like that. And it's not for everyone. Like sometimes, like I need to be around people who are harsh, but fair, because I'm a complete, and I'm an opposite of that.

22:50Like I'm really emotional. And so like, you know, Pete's the exact same. Pete is literally like, you know, I was going for a pretty tough spot last year and Pete was literally like, would call me up and be like, right mate, it's been about three months now, this. And he was like, we're going to have to get you out of this big dog. And he hit like, he would literally be like, it's time to get out of this.

23:08Fearne Cotton: Yeah. You need friends like that. I massively need that because otherwise I will wallow. Yeah. And that's why I call James or Pete or my sister. Yeah, I get that. I'm exactly the same. I need someone to give me like a bit of a snap out of it moment, a tough love, because actually I've got, I'm very lucky, I've got lots of great friends like you. And there are some mates who might be as equally outraged by what's going on or upset for you, whatever. and that's not always what you need. You do need someone to go, right, and how are we going to get out of this and be quite practical and just sensible about it, like take the emotion out of it.

23:46Fearne Cotton: Exactly. It's really important. I'm so emotional. Yeah, me too. I feel everything. I feel all the feelings all the time. Yeah, and I feel them internally as well. Yes. And I struggle to vocalise them. And I also am an energy person. So if there's a vibe in a room, I really go within myself because if there's a weird vibe, I will just be like, oh, I can feel you. Like, ah. And some people are exteriors. Some people don't notice they're giving it off. And it's not their fault that I'm like that. But I'm so aware of everything. Yeah, me too. Like hyper-aware. Are you good at giving yourself permission to extract yourself from situations like that?

24:29Fearne Cotton: Right. See, I'm good now. I'm like, bye. Or don't even say bye. I feel like you've got the power. No, don't be mad. You've got an amazing energy where I feel like you're like a boss. No, if I leave a party without saying goodbye to anyone, I'm still a twat, okay? Nothing can get around that. But if I'm at a thing and I think, oh, I am edgy, I think I would have pushed through back in the day, but now I'm like, I'm out of it. I respect that so much. I have the spine of a slug. Right. I don't even know if they have spines. Do slugs have spines? we've gone off on an ADHD tangent, people. Let's Google it.

25:06Let me know if slugs have spines. Let us know. Do shout out if you know. They must do. No, they don't. Maybe not. Still on it. I took the worst. I've now forgotten what I was going to fucking say. We're at a party. You're hating it. You're staying. Spine of a slug. I am such a people pleaser that I will literally stay till the last minute if someone doesn't want me to go.

25:31Fearne Cotton: Oh no, we've got to change this. Yeah, I'm really, really, really bad at that. I'm also bad at saying no to things. So I will over say yes to everything. So I've got like so many things packed in the diary. Do you know when my team said, can you wear that t-shirt? And you said yes. Do you know what's funny? Do you know what's funny? In actuality, I actually adore this. I think the cut is lovely. And I'm actually going to wear this to the football and I'm not joking. Okay. But in all seriousness, I would have if you had asked me anyway and I didn't want to. I say yes to everything, like absolutely everything.

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27:19Fearne Cotton: I mean, again, was absolutely like that. And there's still parts of my life where I find it hard to let somebody down or say no, whatever. But if I'm at a thing, like Jamie Lang, the first time I had dinner with Jamie Lang, who, by the way, is like the funnest person to go for dinner with ever. He jokes. He wants all the gossip. He's got the margaritas on the flow. It's so great. But the first time we had dinner, it got to about 10. I'm already calculating if I leave now, how long till I get home, brush my teeth. like the minute I get into bed what's that time and I was panicking like oh my god it's going to be too late and this was nothing to do with the company but I needed to get out of there and I went okay it's been lovely and I'll see you soon and he was like what's going what's going on I've got to go I'm leaving now and he said that is the most alpha thing I've ever seen in my life he couldn't he couldn't get his head around it me and him are very similar we he's one of my best friends I love him and he's like my brother and we could never do that but we wish we could and there's actually a really funny meme about that exact thing where it just goes right I love you all but I will only bring you down and they go you don't have to say anything it's like no no I don't care I could sit here and not say anything and I would and I'd still get depleted when my time is done and there's nothing I can do about that the problem I have is I then stay and I give like the energy that I have um and then I burn out and and it's it's not so much that I feel sorry for myself I feel sorry for the people I spend the most time around after I've done that I don't know because then I'll come home and my sister or my missus or my mum or whatever won't get the best version of me because I've left it all out on the field yeah I totally get that so would you this is interesting so would you say because I think most people would go oh Sam thompson extrovert but i don't think that's the whole story i'm an extrovert you're same yeah so so i i do you know that's one of the biggest well i don't know how deep we get on this but like i we can go deep well yeah i i i i it sometimes makes me a bit sad that my whole persona is that and that people don't like know that i'm everything yeah like we're all humans right and so i sometimes feel it goes two ways because i'm so lucky to do the job that i do so i'm very excited all the time like i get to sit here and talk to everyone here i couldn't want to be in a better place than i am right now talking to you guys and you like i i love energy i love people so like when i see people i get really really excited and and like and then people see that like something go, oh, he's like that all the time, but I'm not like that all the time.

30:10And then I worry because I'm like, what if I'm not like that all the time? And then I'm like, I hope people don't think I'm rude if I'm not. And now what happens is if I'm ever soft, people are like, are you okay? And I'm like, oh shit, am I not like, am I not okay? And then you're like, oh, better zip the suit back up. Yeah. And you don't feel like you maybe can always be, I sometimes look at Pete and I go, you're the luckiest man in the world because he is so like Pete. Yeah. Know what he is and he'll tell you all to fuck off and he won't care. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't want to do that, but I don't have the option to ever, because it's just a different thing.

30:49And I sometimes struggle with that because I'm like, then what happens is people go, he's fake. Because people go, he's always like that and no one's ever like that. And they're right. No one's ever like that. But you only ever see me when I'm like that because I'm lucky enough to do something that I love. Like, in the jungle, I could have stayed there for five years. Like, I was, and being that happy for five years.

31:10Fearne Cotton: Just eating kangaroo testicles for five years. Because I was in the place that made me the happiest thing, and I will never not be like that. But in life, it's not always like that. It's not. And I totally get you. Like, I, yesterday, before this, you know, this is the most, I feel so grateful that we're here, that we're getting to do this for our sixth year, and that people still turn up, and it is an absolute gift. But I have like a mad anxiety the day before thinking, what if I can't be the jolly happy version on that day? Because I'm the same as you. I have days where I love socialising. I love talking to people.

31:45Fearne Cotton: I love hearing people's stories. And then there are days where I need to be at home, literally silent, like on my own. And if I don't have those days, that's where I start to totally lose the plot. So I get anxious. Like, what if I can't do that tomorrow? what if I'm awkward when I'm talking to people? I have awkward days all the time where the conversation doesn't flow or things just don't feel like they're connecting. And it's a horrible thing because people do, they expect it. And I think you're absolutely allowed to say, I love my job. I'm so lucky. It's brilliant. But also there's this other side to it where people would bump into you in the street.

32:19Fearne Cotton: And if you're having a quiet day, they might not accept that. And they might go, oh, actually, Sam Thompson's really rude or Ike Fern's really not the jolly person she thinks she is. Is it something that people are expecting of you? Yeah, do you know what? It's an interesting one because they're like, it's the people that I've met, and I don't know whether I'm just the luckiest dude in the world, I have never met one nasty person and I've been doing this for over 10 years. As in people coming up to you in the street? Wow. Mate, I will never to this day, and I know you're the exact same, like there is something so magical about someone coming up and asking for a photo that I will never, ever, you can't be it.

33:02Like, you don't know me. Like, we don't know. Like, we're realistically strangers. But you know something about my life that has interested you enough to come over to me, which is an awkward thing to do, by the way, and, like, approach me and say, hey, can I have a photo? You've taken time out of your day to go there. And what you don't realize is you've made my day. and so like it's the most beautiful thing you can ever have and it's funny because that charges me up yeah that charges me up i like more than anything else getting to meet people i i adore the thing that drains me sometimes is when you're in an environment unlike this and you're like i don't belong here and and then you have to stay there that drains the drain drains the hell out of me.

33:51Fearne Cotton: Like a crap showbiz party. Mate. Just saying. I love that analogy. I don't go to anything like that. Also, good luck leaving here today.

34:05Good luck with that. I have no issue with it at all. Good luck with that. I love it.

34:09Fearne Cotton: We'll form an orderly queue just over here and Sam will take a picture with everyone. Every single one. Do you know what the worst is? I've got a... I can't believe I'm saying this. I've got a PR, right? And she's one of my best friends. She's called Charlotte. She was just back there. We went to the palace recently and did a talk there, which is fucking awesome. And we did a photo thing, which wasn't meant to happen, but it just did. Everyone, and we took a photo of absolutely everyone, to the point where the prince saw. I was like, what's going on over there? And I was like, yes! Yes, we've done him!

34:47We've done him! I'm more popular than you. Thank you very much. It was, but she and Charlotte was there and she was it. She's like, it's the vibe again. We've never, connecting with people is just phenomenal. And what you've built here, a place where everyone can connect and everyone can smile and hug and have a great time and just chat. Yeah. It's good vibes. Phenomenal.

35:08Fearne Cotton: It's because of all this lovely lot. Yeah, it is. If these people weren't here, it would be me and you in a field. Hey, there's worse people to be with. This is what it is. We're so, so lucky. What I love about how you've used this platform that you've created over the years is you're using it really responsibly to talk about things that you really care about, one of them being ADHD. You've made a beautiful documentary about it. You've also written, we've got this book here, which is done incredible. Oh, we're doing promo. Oh, yeah. Come on. This is a brilliant book, and it's for young people.

35:37Fearne Cotton: And there'll be lots of people here that are parents of neurodivergent children, have kids in their family that are going through it. What I wonder is, how old were you, first of all, when you were diagnosed? 30. 30 so this is it a lot of people about say our age i am way older than you but a lot of people later down the line are getting these late diagnoses so we go through childhood not knowing and maybe feeling like you know why is this more difficult or whatever challenges that you face if you were to go back and talk to little sam thompson i don't know age 10 yeah what would you want to say to little sam uh i'd want to say that you should be proud of of who you are um i was i was very fortunate i went to a pretty good school but i really struggled at that school i didn't know why and i really struggled i couldn't i remember trying to revise and crying into my textbooks because i couldn't understand like the words it was like the meditation thing so like i would read but I would hear my own voice, read it, and nothing would go in.

36:39And I remember being really sad because my teacher kept on telling me, you're not concentrating, you're not trying, you're doing this, you're doing that. And I couldn't understand. I just thought I was an idiot. I was like, oh, you're actually broken. And I remember just bursting in his ears in my textbooks. And if I could look back, I'd probably be like, you're a special person. I know that sounds maybe a little bit cringe, but when I got diagnosed, and we made a documentary about it, actually, and I said to the director, I was like, if you think I'm going to cry, you've got another thing coming.

37:11I'm not going to cry. I know I've got ADHD. I'm almost certain. You're not going to have the moment that you think you're going to have. I don't want to feel forced into that. She was great. She was like, we're not expecting that. And I was like, okay, cool. And the lady who diagnosed me went, so obviously you have ADHD. She was like, you're quite high on the spectrum. And she went, I just want to let you know something. You can forgive yourself for everything that happened in the past of your school and the way you grew up and how you felt about yourself. And she went, I also want to let you know you should be really proud of yourself.

37:43You're a very special boy. And it sounds, I mean, I was 29, about to be 30. And like, you've been called a special boy at 29 though. You wouldn't expect that to be the thing that gets you. And like, I like wept. And I just didn't, I didn't expect, I didn't know the weight I had until it had been lifted. And so I would say to little Sam, there's a weight you don't even know is there that is weighing you down and you feel like you're less than and you should be really, really proud. And the reason I wrote this actually, and the reason this is here is actually, it's funny you said, it's for little Sam.

38:23It's for anyone who might be slightly confused about what's going on in their brain. And I am not a scientist or anything like that, obviously. but I'm not an expert on ADHD but these are things that help me and and and I wish I had known when I was at school when I was a kid so I nearly didn't do this by the way because I think we're all aware the neurodiverse space is quite a sketchy little space to dive into and and and everyone rightly so has a lot of opinions and stuff you don't want to say something wrong or you don't want to do this and I'm not an expert and then so I put this off quite a long time and then I was talking to my dad about school and my report cards and stuff and I went you know what I actually, I feel like I owe it to myself, to little Sam, so that's why this...

39:06Fearne Cotton: Yeah, well, good, good for you writing it. And it's, you know, already, yeah, exactly. Helping loads of people. I feel really a bash now for some reason. No, it's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing. And look, you're so, all of the spaces, whether it's wellness, mental health, neurodivergent space, they're all going to have, you know, they're all noisy spaces. And you've got to pick and choose where you get your information, what you want to listen to. But I think each of those spaces should absolutely have, yes, we've got experts and we need to be guided in the right way, but also lived experience and storytelling.

39:39Fearne Cotton: And that's why we do the podcast. It's so important to hear, you know, how your childhood was, what you're doing now to help yourself cope and feel like you can tackle the problem areas that you've experienced over the years. I think it's a really important thing to do. That's really sweet of you. Yeah, I loved it. It was so cathartic, actually. And it's funny because one of the big things in this book and one of the things I've said about ADHD for a long time, which is quite controversial, it turns out, is I think you can make this into a superpower. and I understand very heavily how ADHD can be really, really tough for a lot of kids, a lot of adults.

40:20But I refuse to let kids be like, it's going to be a real, your life's going to be hard. Like, I don't want to say that to a kid. They're going to get told that, trust me, more than enough times. And I want to sort of like plant a little flag in the ground and be like, mate, if you can harness it and if you have the right people around you and you speak to your parents and you communicate with your teachers and you communicate with people about how you're feeling and how it's best to handle you, I genuinely do believe you can achieve so much with ADHD and I think you can actually use it as a blessing as well as something that could hinder you sometimes.

40:54And I will always put my flag in that ground and be like, I want kids to be proud rather than be like, oh no, I've got something bad because it's not necessarily all that bad.

41:04Fearne Cotton: Do you know what's very interesting? We did a live podcast this morning that I know some of you were watching with Paul Whitehouse and his wife, Dr. Minna Junkbaya. And they have a podcast that is all about ADHD. It's called I'm ADHD, No You're Not. And Dr. Minna has ADHD. Wait, I've done that. Oh, you've been on it as a guest? Okay, so you know. Oh, my God. So what I found so fascinating was they said out of all the people they've interviewed, only two people said they wish they didn't have ADHD. The majority were like, I wouldn't change a thing. Maybe that's because they have the diagnosis and they know what works, what doesn't, and they can see, like you've said there, the bits that really work for them, whether it's hyper-focus, is that something that you experience?

41:48Yeah, 100%. It's the thing that I've... I mean, if I didn't do this industry, I genuinely don't know what I would do. But, like, I was a bartender. But when I got into this industry and, like, marketing became a thing, and, like, I make... I don't know if anyone follows me on Instagram, but I do these adverts with these different brands and stuff. And I don't know if anyone knows this about me. It's one of my favorite things to do in my life. I don't know how that makes me seem, but I love advertising. And I love the idea of creating something and building something from scratch. And if I'm obsessed with it, it gives my soul something that I adore.

42:29So I spend hours, I'll probably spend this evening before the football, I genuinely go home and look at YouTube at old adverts. and yeah, I do it all the time. I like deep dive into old adverts and I go, oh, how can I tailor that to what I'm trying to do over here? And then how do I like add Pete in there? And then like, how do I, and how do I like piss Louise off and then bring her involved into it? And I like, and I like mind map everything and it makes me so happy. Wow.

42:55Fearne Cotton: I mean, I've never asked anyone this before, but what's your favourite old advert? Oh, I mean, I, so there's a Levi one, right? So I did an advert for a beer company. I won't name them because it didn't go out. And they were an idiot for this. And I maintain that. So the idea was from Levi from, I think, like the 70s or 80s. And it's a guy walking down. He's in like a shack, right? And he's walking down these stairs and he's boiling. It's a really hot day. It's like a day like today. And he's sweating. It's like on Route 66 or something in the States. And he's a really good looking guy. He's really hot, yeah.

43:32Topless in boxes, right? I know the ads. Walking down the stairs. Have you seen it?

43:35Fearne Cotton: Yeah, obviously I'm old. Yeah. And it worked hard for me from the 70s then. And he's sweating, man. He's got all this sweat around him. And he goes down and he opens this fridge and the steam comes out the fridge. And it just feels great because it looked cold. And he pulls out from the fridge these pair of Levi jeans. And he pulls them up his legs. And the camera shot goes up, up, up, up, like that. And you can see one of the ladies who's pulling the coffee and it goes over the, it spills over the thing. She's like, like that. And I went, that is one of the best things. So I did that advert for a beer brand and copied it and had Pete Wicks.

44:08So Pete's the sweaty guy. Pete's the sweaty guy. Okay. So I got a sprayer out and sprayed him with water as he's walking down the stairs. And he's got beads of sweat coming down. And he's pissed off because he doesn't want this on his face. And he's walking down the stairs all slow-mo in boxes. And he's got pretty big bollocks. And he'll be the first person to say this. and so we say it on our podcast and not say anything different and so they're quite out and he walks past and he struts down and he opens this fridge and we have steam coming out the fridge and he pulls out these jeans and he puts these jeans up and I'm there and I'm pouring cream onto a brownie and I'm like, like that and the cream overflows over the brownie and the beer hasn't even come into it yet where's the beer?

44:59and he pours this thing And he then goes into the fridge after he's done that, takes a beer out, pops it, takes a sip in slow-mo, looks round. I'm like, like that. And he goes, what the fuck are you looking at? And that's where it finishes. So good. Mate, I posted it, and within half an hour, it had over a million views watching it. And they wanted it taken down because it had too much bollock in it. And I, to this day, maintain that that would have been the best ad they've ever had. Wow. Yeah. And that's the kind of stuff that I just adore doing.

45:34Fearne Cotton: I mean, you learn something new. I did not know that about Pete. What an interesting fact. Yeah. Oh, God. He's going to kill me. It's absolutely unbelievable.

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46:43Fearne Cotton: I'm imagining that this hyper focus that can be so brilliant in terms of a passion, a hobby, a mission that you give yourself was really helpful during your UNICEF challenge because that was something else to do. What was it? It was 260 miles in five days that you cycled and ran. That's an extreme challenge that I think most people would go, no, that's not for me. I don't want to do it do you think that that lent itself to that sort of mindset that you could really focus on that that challenge ahead yeah but also you know the anxiety the and the pressure i've always wanted to do something like that um i i've never really i've again i've been really lucky in my life like i've got a great family a great friendship group like i do a job that i love and so i like i haven't really been through much adversity and i feel like i've taken a lot from this industry, but I hadn't given much back.

47:37And I was like, there's something I'm missing. And I was like, I really need to. And I didn't know what it was, but I was like, I need to do something. And I want it to be big. And I was doing Unpacked. I'm a celebrity Unpacked, actually, two years ago. And one of the ITV heads walked into my trailer. And he'd go, I had a trailer, by the way. That was mad. Come on. I actually, I blocked my loo on the second day. TMI. And you have no idea what it feels like to go up to someone and be like, I'm really sorry. I've just taken a massive dump in that loo we don't even know each other very well wow would you mind there's no problem I don't know I would do it myself I just don't know what to do

48:12Fearne Cotton: so someone else had to fish it out I felt so bad that I stood next to them while they were doing it because I was like anyway so I've gone off topic anyway it's the first time I talk about the loo too much but like and this is something I do on my podcast way too much but it's the first time I've ever had a trailer and like he walks into my training goes do you want to do this union step challenge i went absolutely yes sign it up and then he's like by the way it stinks it's shit in it and i'm there with a plunger i'm so sorry please hire me again um but and then and then i had six months to do it and um and those challenges are wild because you you see like jamie did his just before yeah of course and we're like brothers so we were like kind of training together a little bit and both really nervous and I saw him smash it out of the park and I saw him like resonate with people and I was like, that is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen and it got me even more nervous.

49:10So I went, I don't think I'm going to be able to do mine. Like it looks so hard and I'm not an athlete. Like my legs are crap and like, so I was really nervous. I turned up and on the first day, I tore my calf. On the first day, about 10K from the end check, at the first marathon and I'd still got to do a big bike after that and it was on day one and I did it and I felt it was like a gunshot to my leg and I went and they were filming it for ITV and I went like that and I went oh my god I know exactly what that is and I literally and the cameraman saw it and he went like that and got out and I went oh no I can't even find it and I started welling up because you forget about the people that you think you're going to let down and they've put so much and they've never done anything this is the first Unicef thing ever like David Beckham's done stuff with UNICEF.

50:00And I was like, they've asked me to do it. Do you know how grateful I am to be able to do that? And on day one, I fucked it. And I was literally like, I was so upset. And then, this sounds so lame, but it's true. The power of friendship. I don't care what anyone says. I would not have completed that if I didn't have Ryan, my brother-in-law, Pete coming down, Tony Bellew coming down every single time. And I'm shuffling along on this leg. It was the most amazing thing. And I actually hyper-focused on people rather than anything I was doing. And people turned up to checkpoints and to the end. I'd never met people before.

50:38And we were hugging. And there was this woman who turns up. I'll never forget it. We've got 53 seconds left. And I remember there was... Oh, no, sod that. Oh, thank God. Because I'd be terrified of that for the entire thing. No, ignore that. Oh, my God. Thank the Lord. No, ignore it. I'm usually like, my story's too long. Hurry it up. No, no, that's meaningless. Okay, cool. Fine. so so so i've been panicking about that since we're 30 um and uh and and i forgot what the

51:05Fearne Cotton: fuck i was saying you've done a big shit in the top no you've done that you're running your calf a calf running oh the woman the woman the woman so so so this woman came up to me it was the most beautiful thing we were on day three and like people had kind of understood the car thing had happened by that point it becomes sort of like a bit of a story and she comes up to me at the very end she goes i like don't really have anything to my name she went i use a certain amount of money to buy myself costa once a week and she went i've given that money to unicef and again a lot of crying in this podcast talk i'm so sorry but yeah i i started crying i bet and um and I've never felt more attached to another human being in my life.

51:52And so in a very long winded way, it's the point that the counters counted down. It wasn't so much hyper-focusing on me that got me through that. It was like, it was like you guys, it was like, it was people. And I genuinely think people are inherently good. I think we are all born as good people. And I think our experiences through life then change how we are. and I think the most beautiful thing of that challenge was how many people came together in a world that is doing whatever it's doing and in finances that are tough for so many people and like to see people come together for like a cause that isn't themselves was the most heroic thing I'd ever seen it had nothing to do with me it was the best thing I've ever done in my life that, the jungle and if I'm being selfish the O2 for staying relevant were like the best three things that have ever happened in my life.

52:46Fearne Cotton: No, it's so beautiful. And I totally agree with you. I couldn't have a nephew. Fuck. Screwed it. Too late. The pause was too long. I'm a girlfriend. Oh, no. Oh, no. In such trouble later. But I so agree. I think people are good eggs. And we either act from a place of love or fear. And in those moments, you're seeing people act totally from the heart. And it's such a good reminder. There are brilliant people out there everywhere. We just don't hear about it as much as all the terrible shit that's going on the whole time. but what a beautiful thing. What do you think you learned about yourself during that?

53:18Fearne Cotton: Yes, you've got this amazing, bigger perspective of the human race and everyone coming together for something, but there's also your own internal story going on of you doing this hard physical challenge. Do you know what? I put myself down. I'm quite self-deprecating, and I don't think that's necessarily a negative thing, but I do it maybe to an overextent, and I just didn't think I'd do it. I don't think I'm a man. I don't think I'm like strong. And I think when I did that challenge, I felt so at peace with myself and I felt really proud. I think it's the first time I've ever actually been proud of myself.

53:56And I think I learned that I can, I don't know how to word this, but I have the right to be proud of myself. And it's the first time that I've ever properly felt that. And it's funny because it was the most relaxed I've ever been in my life.

54:11Fearne Cotton: Isn't it funny how, I think it's a very British thing, that we assume we can't be happy with ourselves, we can't be chuffed with ourselves or proud. It's like this sort of weird subterranean feeling that someone's going to go catch us out. Like, oh, you thought you could be proud of yourself, but I'm going to throw this spanner in the works that we're waiting to be caught out slightly. It's a real horrible British trait that we all have, that we are all inherently sort of self-deprecating. Do you think at this point of your life you like yourself yeah i would say so i'd say that i'm more myself now than i've ever been which um which i couldn't say maybe the start of when people might have got to know me and that's just taken a lot of a lot of growing up a lot of i just want to be a lot of really good friends and a lot of experiences um a lot of things that are happening in the public eye as well which you know can be seen as negative sometimes but actually a real positive and um and i and i and i i feel like i'm the most self-aware that i've ever been right now and and i hope that doesn't change and i feel really i feel really happy and that's really great i i it's really great that i feel happy um but i generally i feel very like at peace and there's been times where i haven't so yeah i feel i feel pretty great how beautiful thank you being a good place yeah it's um it's it's i again i just lucky i'm very lucky i've got a great amount of people around me and and yeah so my life would never ever be anything that is if i didn't have the the circle of people that i have around me and and to most of you guys i don't think you guys realize how much i need you i mean that i mean that from the bottom of my heart like people i read every message that anyone ever sends me and like i you know whenever i see any of anyone listening or anyone watching now whenever i see people i genuinely like adore you and and and so like you're like my family and i'm so like how cool is it that you get to say you've got like a family of like however many people like that goes so big and it's a pretty cool thing to have.

56:21So, yeah, I feel like let's just keep smashing it. Next year, Pete's going to hate me. I want to do something at the O2 again. And I feel like if you would all want to be there, then we'd love you there.

56:36Fearne Cotton: You heard it here first. Sam and Pete will be at the O2. I love it. Too right. It's a good plan for next year. I like it. I feel like you've always got to have a plan. You've always got to aim somewhere. I need a goal. I have to have a goal. And do you know One of the goals was to always, not in this setting maybe, but always to be friendly with you. So that's pretty cool. We can make that happen. I feel like I've kind of done that. The goal is happening. I'm so sorry, I'm sweating. I'm literally dripping wet. I've watched her for years. We can be friends. It's pretty damn cool doing this. I'll be part of your family.

57:12Fearne Cotton: We're in it. Yes! Come on! It's on. It was that easy. Sam, what a joy you are. I'm so glad that you're in such a good place. Oh, before we end, I must ask you the most important question. Where is your happy place? Oh, my God. I know it instantly. I have two. You can have two. One is with my cats in bed. We can definitely be friends. Yeah, one is with my cats. I'm a massive cat person. Yeah, no, same. They're the best. Albus Dumbledore III is my little white with ginger face cat. And he literally jumps onto my bed every morning and he comes and snuggles right into my neck. And my girlfriend's so, she's like, why did you never come to me?

57:54I'm like, you're just not his dad. And he comes and lies right there and he purrs in my ear. And that is genuinely like my safe place. My other one, who's a little bit chonkier, he struggles to jump on the bed sometimes. So I says, he'll jump on and they fall off. And so I was like, get up and I pull him up as well. um and and and so my cats to me are are my my home my home they're the best invention ever yeah they are um and i and i love my home like my home is my safe place it's it's i'd rather be i don't like change and so like being at home i would rather that maybe sometimes than being on a holiday oh yeah i love being at home yeah especially in this weather and i've got a patio and i sit in the patio dreamy and uh with my cats i've got little cat rolls they can't escape and so that's one and number two and I've mentioned him a lot and I don't mean to bring Pete up all the time because and I mean this like you know we're all different separate people but our lives are so entwined that that and he's had such a huge impact on my life that another one would be that uh doing something stupid with my best mate is is is whenever I'm having a really really tough time um I there is there's a thing that I a feeling I get when I'm doing some stupid dance in my patio or like getting Pete to dress up in like a stupid outfit with me or something like that there's a feeling I get um that maybe slightly immature I don't know what it is but like I I had that boyish feeling of like I I love it's when you I suppose like when you screw around with like a sibling um and that to me is is is a pretty pretty happy place though it's a beautiful thing

59:29Fearne Cotton: pretty great yeah just spraying fake sweat on Pete wicks yeah yeah yeah couldn't be happier Sam you're an absolute joy and I cannot thank you enough for being at the Happy Place Festival you're a complete legend please give it up for Sam Thompson thank you bring it in thank you mate thank you so much for having me thank you buddy it's a real pleasure yeah give it up come on what a pleasure thank you oh Sam thank you so much what fun I learned a lot one of the things I didn't expect to learn was that Pete Wicks has big bollocks but you learn something new every day. Sam, you are brilliant and we should definitely hang out.

1:00:11Fearne Cotton: We'll work it out. I think me, Sam and Jamie Lang having dinner would be a blast. We're going to make it happen. P.S. if you are still wondering and don't have access to Google slugs don't have spines because we looked it up but we probably could have guessed because they're just squidgy little blobs. All right, I'm back here soon with more festival goodness including that chat that I mentioned with Paul Whitehouse and his wife Dr. Minajunk-Bayar MBE it's a really good one it's fascinating and obviously hilarious in equal measures I think you're going to love it in the meantime if you head over to at happyplaceofficial on Instagram you can relive all the festival magic if you were there you might actually spot yourself because we took loads of pictures loads of videos and we put loads of it up there so go and have a look a massive thanks again to Brilliant Sam and to you I love ya Thank you.

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