Sonia Choquette: “I’m having telepathic experiences!” Listen to your intuition

0:00Hello, I'm Fern Cotton and this is Happy Place, the show that encourages you to get into your body and spirit to calm anxieties. Today I'm chatting to Sonia Schickett. So when you're asking yourself to change a belief, you're basically uninformed responses. That's like cutting off my arm. What we haven't shifted is the basic understanding that I am not a robot that's programmed. I am a spiritual being. And in current time, I have the power to choose differently if I'm willing. And I have to then take myself out of memory and come back into empowered moment. This particular episode came about because I was having, before Christmas, a particularly shitty mcshit week where just like everything was going wrong, some major stuff, some health niggles, but also just like small practical things are going wrong, like not having running water one day, my washing machine breaking, just like the usual crap that when you're already a bit stressed out really pisses you off.

1:08And I was just feeling a bit like over everything. And I ended up remembering that Sonia had very kindly posted me her brand new book. And I thought, right, if any signs are pointing towards anything right now, it's for me to stop and to pause for a minute and read some literature that's going to be uplifting. And I sat and I read half of this book in the evening in one go. And my mindset completely shifted. And I think that that is a really good reminder that yes, you know, we've all got stuff going on and life isn't perfect and curveballs will be thrown our way throughout life. But we've got much more control over the perception we have of it and how we react to it than we care to believe.

1:58And I'd really sunk at that point into just feeling a bit sorry for myself, which is okay. You know, we're all allowed to do that. But I was in danger of getting stuck in that. And this book really pulled me out of it. So I thought, you know what, if this book has had such a great impact on me, we need to get Sonia back on. She'd actually been on the podcast before a while back to talk more specifically about mediumship and psychicness, which we do touch on in this chat. But we also talk about all manner of other very practical things. So if I don't know, if spirituality or psychicness is just not on your radar, not something you're interested in, fear not.

2:33This is a deeply practical conversation. Sonia is a spiritual teacher and intuitive guide and her latest book is called Soul Mastery, 22 Lessons to reinvent your life. So we talk about a ton of great stuff in this chat. We talk about why it's unnatural to suppress our sensory awareness, otherwise known as intuition. So all of our senses picking up on whether we get a good vibe about something, a bad vibe, don't see that as being like strange or unnatural. We also talk about how now neuroscience is showing that our guts, our skin, our organs are all conscious entities and how to physically get out of your head and into your body so we can really listen to those signs that our body is picking up on.

3:22We talk about humour and how that can diffuse overthinking and anxiety. We also talk about having more agency of your mindset as I alluded to earlier and also training yourself to look for the good things in life which I think often we're in the bad habit of not doing that. We also talk about why imagination is vital and also this is a big one. We asked the question and I would love you to think about this if you can throughout the whole of this episode as Sonia's talking. If I asked you this question what would you say? What would you do if you weren't afraid? It is a big question and maybe you can mull over that as we get chatting.

4:03Should we do it then? Okay here's the show.

4:28Sonia, I'm so happy to have you back on Happy Plays. When you came on, I can't even think when it was now, probably a few years ago. Maybe over three. Over three years ago, that episode that we did with you was so hugely popular, I can't even tell you. I'm happy to hear that. Especially on YouTube. So many people watch that episode. And I imagine a lot of it is to do with the fact that many of us are searching, wanting to grow, wanting to see life differently with a bigger perspective. we're at a point where we're thinking it can't just be this that we're all bumbling along and we're just kind of tripping over ourselves and I think many people certainly who listen to happy place was so deeply inspired by the episode because you gave us a whole different angle to look at life and the tools to do it so I'm I'm so glad we get to chat about stuff today Well, I'm really excited because even from then till now, our planet is changing.

5:31Yeah. And our external planet is changing, but our internal constellation is changing and our inner senses are coming back online. But we are living in a world that has invalidated those senses. So we're running into a collision. I am having telepathic experiences. My gut is talking to me. I do have a – I can vibrationally recognize what's happening, but everything's been invalidated. So where do I go? And so I think even now more than ever, the message and the tools I'm giving people are come back to your core frequency. It's all frequency. And when you recognize that and you follow that through telepathy or through a dream or however it presents, it's a frequency that's keeping you true to yourself.

6:26Yes, I think that's exactly it. There's always going to be that general curiosity about mediumship and psychic ability. But I think when we, but sometimes we can think, well, that's for other people. There's experts that do this. But you're so encouraging for all of us to think we've all got the ability to have intuition and therefore we need to start listening to it. If that's a really new idea to anybody listening that they've they've not recognized their own intuition. They haven't had. I mean, most of us have had a spooky moment where it's been like you're thinking of someone and they call like all the obvious ones.

7:04You think of a song and it comes on the radio. but when we're talking about like true guidance in life that can be life-changing how do you start to tap into that i think the very most important first thing is to quit projecting it as something unnatural what is absolutely unnatural is every living creature alive has an inner guidance system you know all the animals left in india before the tsunami hit you know the migration of butterflies and the whales and the echolation of bats. Why wouldn't we? So we've been under a huge, massive gaslight that our inner sensory awareness is legitimate receiving of energy that gives you information.

7:53So we woo-woo it. We put it out there and I'm not out there because that would then make me vulnerable to being rejected. So I will reject my actual experience over risk being rejected by others. Fortunately, after COVID, that doesn't fly anymore because there's nothing, the promise of what others do for you is completely collapsed. Everybody's kind of each man for himself in a way, because we're learning that I'm the captain of my ship. I live with my choices and if I abandon myself because I felt something that I couldn't logically explain, then it's weird. But here's the truth. Neuroscience has explained it now.

8:40The science that we're working with or the understanding of our inner senses that we're working with is so last century. Yeah. Science is now every day saying, finally, thank God, we have conscious bodies. Our guts are conscious. Our hearts are conscious. Our skin is conscious. We can internalize and receive energy and with it, information. Yes. If it's congruent, then that's a good vibe. Yeah. If it's incongruent, wait. And hey, we've all experienced that. We've all walked into a room and gone, oh God, I'm getting a bad vibe from that person. It's so real. And that is something that if we start validating, I'm telling you, and I am not exaggerating, if you validated this for 21 days, your life will level up so quickly and you will fly so fast, you'll have to buckle up.

9:33I'm serious. I am not exaggerating. If you simply said yes, okay, instead of what I hear daily, I don't know why I feel that way. And I say, hold on. You do know why. You are experiencing this energy that is informing you. You just don't have a logical backup for it. Yeah, and you've got to take it seriously rather than go, oh. Every time. Yeah. Quit fighting. 21 days. I'm not overpromising. Come back and tell me. I'm doing it. But here's the thing. A couple of things you have to set up. First, you won't even pick it up if you're in your head. Oh, God, that's a hard one for me. Well, you can have a brain surgery without having anesthesia.

10:13I mean, your head isn't sensitive. It is a processing machine. It's easy to get in your body. You just open your jaw until you hear a click in your ear and sigh and smile. Can you feel how it shifted? Now you're in your body. This, from here to the hips, is where you pick up most energy. Yes. And also, like we know, your body keeps the score. There's that famous book, obviously. But it tells the truth. And we've all had ailments or physical situations that are manifestations of all of that energy that we're picking up and the feelings we're having. It's so real that this energy, if it is incongruent with your core frequency, which is always seeking peace, grounded, balanced connection, if you are hosting or engaging or entertaining excessively with vibrations that go against that, it's going to have a very debilitating effect on you.

11:16It will give you your migraines, your belly aches. It will give you your anxiety attacks. It will wake you up at 3 o 'clock in the morning because it's trying to – what it is is information from the field, from your higher self, from your guides, from the earth, communicating to you how to be aligned and actually be congruent with your highest good. So what's the next step? because I was having a chat with a mate the other day about this exact subject and she's somebody that had had repeated physical ailments, the same ones, again and again and again. And she learned to really understand what it meant and what it represented in her past.

12:01And she worked really hard to heal those parts of herself. And I'm talking emotionally here, not physically. But then her physical symptoms disappeared. And I love hearing stories like that. And sometimes, again, they can be battered away like, oh, what a load of trash. You know, we need to only concentrate on science where I think, you know, it needs to be. The truth is, though, Fern, it is today's science. I always say to people, you are not talking about modern day science. Yeah. Modern day science is confirming that we are emotional, vibrational creatures. We are not just left brained. No.

12:39We are whole-brained, we are heart-brained, we are gut-brained. And when we get out of coherence, it's just like when you're a car out of alignment, it's going to start wobbling and then it's going to blow a tire. I mean, I've lived by books like Louise Hay's book, Zach Bush, I think, is doing amazing work, Dr. Joe Dispenza. You know, there's amazing literature out there and YouTube videos around these subjects. But still, the block for me is, and this is what I'm sort of midway having a conversation with this friend of mine to get as much info as I can from her, because I've had certain physical things that have come back again and again.

13:16And I understand why they're there. And I'm starting to take them more seriously and to listen to my body. But the next stage for me is, and how do you do that emotional healing? How do you get to that level where you can say, right, I'm breaking that loop. I'm breaking that cycle. It's, you know, a new stretch of life for me to stop those physical ailments. There's a couple of things to know. We developed those conditions out of survival mechanisms when we were young and powerless because we needed to survive. Yeah. So we had to acquiesce to a narcissistic parent or we had to be the caretaker of an adolescent or child parent.

14:00So we learned. But what happens in the brain is that these belief systems, we falsely interpret as much of who we are as our arm. So when you're asking yourself to change a belief, you're basically uninformed responses. That's like cutting off my arm. So when you're recognizing, okay, I mean, how many people haven't been to therapy? We can all explain why we're messed up. Yes, yes. That doesn't change a thing. But what we haven't shifted is the basic understanding that I am not a robot that's programmed. I am a spiritual being. And in current time, I have the power to choose differently if I'm willing.

14:46Yeah. And I have to then take myself out of memory and come back into empowered moment. So I have a story to tell you, and it's a good one because it changed my life. When I was very young, I was in my 20s, I was doing readings. This person came to me, and I swear it wasn't a human. And he said to me, I do performance art. Would you come to my theater? I don't ever go to my clients' theaters. I don't want to be in their thing. But I said, I will. It wasn't even a real theater. It was a garage. And I thought, well, that is, I was interested. I thought, well, good for him. He's not dependent on someone creating a theater, inviting him.

15:30He took this garage. He blackened it out. He had three little risers, eight little chairs. I walked in. I was with my then husband at the time. I walked in. There was two other people. That's it. And then the lights go down, and we are in the total black. and all of a sudden this light comes up and he's standing there and you hear this voice, whatever you do, listen to me. If you don't listen to me, you'll die. And he says, I'm listening, I'm listening. And he said, whatever you do, don't go outside, you'll die. And he said, okay, I won't go outside. And then it's quiet for a long time. And the voice says, are you listening?

16:06He goes, I'm listening, I'm listening. Well, whatever you do, do not go outside, you'll die. So we're all holding our breath. And that's a long time. He's quiet. And he goes, are you there? And the voice says, I'm here. And he said, well, what's outside? And he said, well, don't ask. You'll die. So he submits again for a while. And then he said, well, are you there? And he said, I'm here. He said, well, I want to go outside. The voice got very menacing. Do not go outside. You'll die. So he pauses for a minute and goes, well, I'm dying in here. I'm going to go outside. And they start arguing. And the voice says, you will die.

16:41And the next thing he said, I'm going. And he runs out. And we all go, oh. And the lights come on. And all you see is a tape recorder on the floor. And he never came back. What? It was so wild. But I learned something. I learned something that a thousand books would not have taught me. That our brain, I swear that was an angel. And our brains are that tape recorder saying, whatever you do, do what I tell you, some outside authority, or you'll die. And that is what's running our inner self when we really think about making a change. We have to confront that primal fear that to be empowered will die.

17:28And the thing is, he said, I'm dying. We ought to die outside. Yeah. And I just remember we all gasped. lights came on very slowly and he never came back and i never saw him again it's that's so cool because what that is showing us is that we have to have hope and hope is this sort of like flimsy concept which none of us can quite grasp but but to not listen to that voice that we've all got that says you better do that especially you know i've had like bouts of ocd and that voice is very loud then like you better check the hobs for a seventh time you'll die otherwise you're going to die tonight and you're going to set the house on fire and be your fault.

18:07It's all you. Like, that's the OCD voice for me. See it as the tape recorder. So now you need to see it's not me. No. It is a tape recorder, which is a function of my brain, which is a machine that can be erased. Yeah. But then you've got to have hope to break that, haven't you? You know what helps you break it? Humor. Yeah. Don't argue with it. Forget it. He argued. Humor. It works because when you go to humor, you go to your spirit. You go to the part of you that is the eternal light in you. You cannot be afraid of something you laugh at. So go the other way. You're right. I'm going to blow up the house.

18:52I might as well blow up the dog and the cat and the neighborhood too. And my God, if I, you know, I'm going to just trash everything and you take it the other way you snap out of it because the minute you laugh your spirit is back in your body and you now have cleared the noise you can check the vibe and you can make an informed grounded decision based on energy in the moment yes you're so right do you know what i was i'm always sort of like juggling books that i'm writing like i'm sure you've written a ton of books and you sort of have these ideas at random points and i just literally handed in a book maybe two weeks ago but prior to that I'd started writing a fiction and it was quite dark and heavy and I was about 48 ,000 words in it was a long way in and I was sort of dreading going back to it after finishing this non-fiction I was like oh god I don't know what like what is this book and what's the point of it and then I had another idea for a fiction come up and it is pure comedy it's completely the subject matter still quite serious but the tone is humor throughout and I am I cannot stop writing and it's giving me pure escapism and I feel so motivated and actually like mentally better for it like we underestimate humor I am feeling can you feel that vibration the tingles that's higher energy it's a real thing yeah and you're like your eyes just lit up Your whole face is reading.

20:24That's your spirit in your body. You've just changed. You've gotten out of the head frequency. You're in your spirit. And do you feel your power? Yeah, it's so great. See, I teach people this doesn't have to be another long, complicated immersion into self-inquiry into the black hole of space because that takes a lot of time. Yeah. And it doesn't particularly help. No. I mean, it gives you a lot of it can help. And I've done plenty of therapy. I've done plant medicine. I've done ayahuasca. I do it all because I want to be informed. But I can tell you, if you can laugh, you've just liberated yourself.

21:05Yeah. It's the best medicine. And it's quick because understand what you're doing is you're going out of the mental ego, which is a tool you have, to your spirit, which is who you are. Yeah. And that timeless, empowered self isn't trapped by anyone or anything. That's what says you think of someone and you run into them because your spirit is connected to the field and is always connected to similar vibration. Your spirit is saying, don't go there because it's incongruent in the field to who you are and what's important to you. Much more quickly than your brain could ever even know, let alone figure out.

21:43So say yes for 21 days. More importantly, out loud. Yeah. I'm getting the vibe because it is an actual vibration. It is an actual energy. Okay. I'm getting a vibe. Shouldn't do that. I'm getting the vibe. I should, I should go into this restaurant or I should leave there. Just say it out loud because even if you don't listen, once you name it, you claim it. Yes, I love it. I want to talk very deeply about your new book, Soul Mastery, in a moment. But one thing that you mention in it, which isn't necessarily connected to the theme of this book directly, is your own, I don't know what you just called it, like black hole or like your own dark, dark moments where you had to encounter a lot of grief.

22:28Your dad died. Your brother died. My husband left. Your husband left. You lost everything. You just lost everything, like your financial framework. Yeah, it was like a bowling ball down the lane. took all all my foundation out I mean that is a lot to contend with and there'll be many people listening to this who will maybe relate to one of those things maybe a couple of those things it's you know they're they're sadly universal things that we'll all encounter but you had them lumped into one go and it is hard to find humor in those moments where you're like not another thing it's really like it's relentless like the next thing the next thing and it's you become perhaps quite humorless because you're just like this is all too much for me to deal with what was the was there a pivotal moment or was it an incremental adjustment to something better it was two things one rather than sit in it in both cases the first loss was uh I'm gonna walk the Camino.

23:29And it wasn't my idea. The idea was given to me in spirit. I didn't even really know that much about the Camino. And I said, yes, I just packed up and went 35 days, 800 kilometers, because I knew one thing. If I got the vibe, then it would bear out benefits I have no consciousness of arguing with to just go for it. And then the second tool, same thing when I moved to Paris, it said move to Paris. Same thing. Sabrina, actually, my daughter said, we need to move to Paris or you need to go to a psychiatric ward. What's your choice? And I was like, hmm. Seriously, it was that choice. It was like, well, okay, when are we going to go?

24:13That was my answer to that very question. But in both cases, I wrote because, and I don't know if you've experienced this, but maybe with that comedy, when I write, my higher self writes. Yeah. The part of me that's the witness to the drama. And that part of me can find a lot of humor in a lot of things. And so I recorded the whole, and I ended up with two books, Walking Home and Waking Up in Paris. They were the worst years of my life, but they were also very funny. And you're so right. Like sometimes you read stuff back that you've written. You're like, who wrote that? Right, your higher self.

24:53Yeah. Certainly not the miserable me that was really suffering that day. I went through hell. But I always knew it was not just to put me through hell. I always knew. And I would ask anybody going through this, can you feel that deeper truth that this is correct and is taking me to a more authentic outcome? Yes, that's what I got from this book so strongly because when you sent me this book, I was going through and still am like, you know, an undulating time, but I was feeling really shit this one particular week. And I'd got myself into the headspace where I just couldn't see any joy or goodness.

25:36There was joy in my life, but I just couldn't see it. I was focusing only on the negatives and the sort of uncertainty that was there. and that night my children with my ex-husband so I thought I'm gonna have a bath and I'm gonna just luxuriate all night long I haven't had a bath in weeks and weeks so I'm just gonna lie in there all night and I went downstairs and turned the taps on and nothing came out and I was like are you fucking joking I'm having the shittest week and I've got no water are you joking so I was like right what am I gonna what should I go for a walk I didn't was raining and I was like oh I've got Sonia's book I haven't read yet and I picked it up and it was like everything was conspiring for me to just sit and read your book and I read half in one sitting wow and I could feel myself lifting out of this darkness turning each page there were so many bits and and I think the main One message that I took from reading that first half was to say, rather than go, oh, well, there's no running water.

26:43This has gone wrong and that. It was to go, something amazing is going to happen. Something brilliant is going to arrive. And even if it's not tomorrow or in a week, to have that agency over your own mindset, we can all do it. It is so powerful. We just need to be reminded that that's possible. And a lot of people don't even know to begin with that that's an option. No. So it is reminded on a soul level we all know. And to become reminded that your soul is in charge. Yeah. And it is powerful. And it came into this crazy classroom. And this crazy classroom is beginnings and endings. That's part of it.

27:32So the beginnings are exciting. The middles are great. The endings are tough. And then here we go again and around and around. So if you can distance to know there is a method to this madness in the end. And I'm learning to be powerful and aligned and masterful in my life being a mirror of who I really am and what I really want to express and experience. then all the hell flying loose just becomes an opportunity to get creative. Yes. Creativity is so key in all of this because I think we're all conditioned, whether it's in our upbringing or by society, to always fear the worst options. So we're prepared, be hypervigilant, and we always second guess everything with, what if this happens?

28:23What if that happens? and it would seem absurd for us to go, something amazing is going to happen today. Like that seems sort of fanciful and like, oh, well, it's all right for you to think like that. But it's just a habit. The other thing I suggest to people is that your ego is catastrophic. It's always going to look for the worst case scenario. It's survival. Your spirit is creative. But we tend to park our consciousness on catastrophic. And we glide right past what's brilliant. For example, I had a client that I worked with who was so agonized over the fact that she had a father who never, ever, once in her entire life, gave her any validation, credit, recognition, and she had become quite a successful coach.

29:16He was a general in the Army. He was, you know, military, didn't even validate what I did. I mean, we spent a good year on this. Well, then I asked her, how was your week? And she's always amazing. My parents were on the verge of divorce, and he asked me to coach him through something. And she said, and they worked it out. And then she said, how was your week? And I said, you have got to be kidding. How was my, you just told me your entire world that has been hung up in this black hole just flipped and you just cruised through it like you didn't notice? Yes. And she said, oh, I guess you're right.

29:53I said, I'm right. He changed, but you didn't. You're still going back to that. So you have to recognize it's not the same world you had for the last 30 years you're suffering. Change. Yes. You missed it. Yeah, it's so hard. I'm not even sure why. It's probably the ego block. It's hard to change, isn't it? You have to create the habit of what my mom was so great. She did this every day I walked out the door. And believe me, she was as crazy as the rest. But she walked out the door, she would say, expect good things. Oh, I love that. And at dinner, she would say, what good thing happened today?

30:34And it trained me to focus on the good thing and not to amplify and catastrophize every other thing. Yes. And so it's a habit. What happens if, and many people, myself included, will think like this, when you've had something go horribly wrong in the past and you think it's all your fault, you did it, it's the worst thing, it's therefore hard sometimes to trust yourself and maybe to tune into that intuition because you could say, well, look what happened before. All of this went wrong. How can I trust in life? How can I trust in myself? Well, I think that that requires a reframe. And the reframe is maybe it didn't go terribly wrong.

31:24Maybe it was a terribly unpleasant experience, but a course correction. And maybe I'm deciding too soon what the outcome is. Yes. And that the real reaction I'm having is that the course correction was miserable, but it wasn't my judgment or my choice. Maybe I needed that experience. Maybe I had to have that on a soul level, but it's not over yet. Let me just, let me reframe. And I say there's, you know, intuition is not just red light, green light. There's also yellow light. Just hold on for a minute. You got into this and you felt it was right. So don't decide. It's a mistake. Check if you truly knew you were going against yourself.

32:11Okay, own that good information. And don't do that. But if your soul took you in there full speed ahead, and this is what my, I remember I was on a podcast right after the dad-husband horrible collapse. And this guy says to me, well, if you're so intuitive, how could that possibly have happened to you? What day? And I said, well, first of all, I'm surprised your understanding of intuition is that I can stop death. Yeah. I can stop life. I can control people or dodgeball it so that I don't have to experience the human condition. I said, I don't reframe any of this as something that shouldn't have happened or I missed it.

32:58This was part of my soul's growth. What my takeaway is, am I going to get the growth and the gift or am I going to be a victim? That's my choice. But please. And that is a misunderstanding. Yeah, hugely. And also I think victim mentality is very important to look at in this context because I'm saying that with no judgment because I've certainly sat in that space for a while and it's so incremental that you don't realize you're in it. It could start with one or two bad things happen and you need to talk to somebody and vent, but then you get stuck in that. That's something else that I think is too extreme.

33:34We say don't be a victim means I'm powerless. But am I hurt? Am I wounded? Have I been impacted? Am I crunched? Yes. And I need some support in a container to recover my pieces, which are scattered all over the place. That's not victim. No. That's injured. And I need to recover, regroup. So it's the not getting stuck bit. Because you talk about that in the book. I have no choice. This is happening to me. From according to how I've been taught, both earthly master teachers and spirit master teachers, is it's a colossal failure of creativity and imagination. So if you're really stuck and you believe this is it, then feed your imagination with some new inspirational input.

34:29And then go see a fabulous movie and then see. Go see Wicked, like I just saw. And I saw it in New Orleans in the chairs. I mean, they turned this whole theater into a rock and roll experience. Like, what's happening? But I was in a funky mood going in. It was pouring rain. I had jet lag. I was not into it. And afterwards, take on the world. It fed my imagination. So that's my antidote to victim. You can't talk yourself out of it. No, no. Feed your imagination. Go listen to some band or some music or go paint a picture or go see a movie or go shopping. Yeah. I mean, you talk about imagination a lot in this book.

35:15This book has been largely informed by your communication with a very specific group of spirit guides. That have been with me for many, many years. And so these messages, they landed with you in one lump? incrementally? It's the second time these messages came through. The first time I wrote a book called Soul Lessons and Soul Purpose. I met these guides came to me through a process where I was doing a workshop in Kauai for two weeks and they came through. And they were teacher guides, Joachim and the Emissaries of the Third Ray, second octave of love, which meant to me, and this is great metaphysical jargoned everybody but they said to me they were teachers to to change the mind the second octave is mental but of love to bring love to the mind and these came through in in this first book 12 years ago but the world's changed so they came back and said we're going to re communicate with you because you're now in the mindset of a different consciousness so we're going to teach it again, but the planet's changed.

36:25So we are here to empower you quickly because the vibration of the planet, everything is changing so fast that it will help you adjust and see yourself. The whole point of their book is you are a spiritual being. And your biggest obstacle is to believe that you are anything but that yeah and once you get that that's like going to harry potter school you're a magician but you still have to learn how to use your magic and that's the sport of being human yes and this has been very brilliantly laid out in these 22 lessons they're like laws rules that we can live by that we know are going to work it's the 22 laws of what creates the physical dimension yeah and which ones do you think really jumped out you like oh that that is something that I needed to hear or I needed to rethink about?

37:21Well, each law comes through four phases. There's a law, but you could be a student, which I've never heard of this before. It's brand new. An apprentice, I've heard of it. I need some examples. Let me find some teachers or people who can model this. Apprentice is like, okay, I'm ready to learn. Give it a go. And then you get it and it becomes part of you. So for me, imagination, because I've always had a big one, that one's always easy. What's not been so easy for me is to get grounded and start realizing, well, wait a minute. If something's not going the way I want, where did my choice play a role in that?

38:03That bugged me to death. I didn't choose that. But I had to learn that it wasn't that I was consciously on an ego level choosing, but to learn the lessons I had come here to learn, I cooperated because that was the best way to learn. Then I could start saying, okay, for example, I didn't choose my husband, but I did. And it took me a while, and I thought, you know, I chose him to be my companion in my youth, But he is not a companion when I started to leave the consciousness of youth, which is we're not just going to travel and be carefree and answer to no one. When I started to become more responsible and interested in growing and developing, we separated.

38:51It took me a while because I couldn't reconcile. How did I end up with him? It just seemed so crazy, but I chose him. And I thought, well, for my youth, he was fun. Yeah. And he he and he believed me, which was in my day, telling someone that you are a psychic or an intuitive usually killed your dating life. So it didn't kill my she's going to read my mind. And pretty much that was and he said, that's interesting. And that is why I ended up burying him. I was like, because he didn't run away. Yeah. I over projected that his interest was deeper than it actually was. To me, that was a betrayal. It's like, well, wait a minute.

39:37You said you were interested and you're showing anything but interest in growing. So it took me a while to learn these lessons. But eventually, it's very powerful and liberating. And you do feel very lighthearted and free when you do say, you know what, I did learn that. yeah I did choose that that's been a big one for me oh my god same I used to look at one period of my life and think oh I'm an idiot how did I end up in this situation and now I don't it's taken me years but I can certainly look back and go I definitely learned this I can see how fruitful bits of it have been because I've had to fast track some bits of growing and the positives almost outweigh the negatives I think I'm still on that learning curve it is this is school yeah And if everybody can get on board and say, okay, I thought the goal was to wrestle the external world to the ground, make a lot of money, and win the game.

40:36And now we're realizing, well, that's not. I've done that actually for a lot of people. That didn't give me any reward. So maybe I had the goal off that I am a spirit embodied here to learn how to manifest with my consciousness and through the power of my heart, using all of my senses, inner and outer, living energetically instead of ego controlling. everything you've just said there and the description that you've given of how we can live life like creatively using our imagination manifesting is the opposite of what is ubiquitous which is hustling pushing against pushing yourself to absolute burnout try harder do better be a better person you know it's all about force and i think most of us feel exhausted because we're feeling that pressure like oh my god i'm not doing enough i'm not enough and then you get defensive and then that's like a forceful energy and it's depleting.

41:39It is exhausting. I had an interesting experience this year. I was invited to go speak to a group in LA in May on a manifestation summit. Thousands and thousands of people showed up and I walked to the venue and it's a manifesting venue. So what I'm seeing are Rolls Royces and Bentleys and people just dripping in wealth. So when I got up to the front of the audience, I said to them, okay, you're here to manifest, but clearly the majority of you have pretty much hit the jackpot in terms of what material manifestations you can aspire to. So what you need to consider is, Am I trying to manifest the wrong thing for what I want to experience?

42:28Peace, purpose, connection, meaning. Those are not things that come from the conquest of me over others. It comes from connection, energetic perception. Be who I actually am and trust that that's a good choice. And there's nothing to improve except being more of who I actually am. Yeah, which is scary. I think most of us are scared of that. Initially. But even people say, well, that's scary. And I say, well, you know what's scarier is not. Oh, my God. Can you imagine going through your whole life, shape-shifting to win approval? I did it. I did it for years. I did it for years and years and years.

43:09People are getting to a point where they can't. It's so boring. Thank God. It is boring. And it's a false promise. You don't get a reward. No, you don't. Oh, my God. Do you know what? I actually wrote down a story from your book, from this book here. And it's about a client that came to see you. And she was being, she had been the good girl for her whole life. So she was the perfect mum. She was on the PTA. She did all of the like relevant things at school and extracurricular stuff that needed to be done. She was the perfect wife, the best friend. She would help anyone in her local community. And when she was on her deathbed, everybody was coming to her saying, oh my God, you've been amazing.

43:47Like what an amazing human you are. And she was actually, because she was dying, like, I have done it through gritted teeth. I felt like screaming my head off because I haven't wanted to do half of it. Why did I do all of this? And I think many of us, I'm in my mid-40s. Me and all my girlfriends have this very chat all the time. I think we've naturally come to an age where we've gone, fuck this. I don't want to do this anymore where I'm just being the good girl. There's no reward. Well, I remember when she came to me, she said, I'm dying. So I'm not asking you to give me some way out of this, but I want to die in peace.

44:25And I don't know how. And I said, tell people the truth. You don't know how long you have, but tell them that what they're admiring was your self-abandonment. Yeah. They're admiring that you went for approval over self-love. I never heard from her until her daughter contacted me later and told me the story. She said, I don't know what you said to my mom, but the last three months of her life, I loved her. But up until then, I didn't even know her. And her spirit comes to me often to say, wait a minute. We have to just be we in our generation and in this place in time be the ones to say literally and pardon me, fuck that.

45:12Yeah. Which actually I love that word. My teacher said the reason it's so powerful because it's the verbal equivalent of a lightning bolt. Yeah. I love it. No more. No more. I'm done. And that we have to be pioneers. Yeah. So that's what I am devoted to teaching is, look, you are equipped. You have these inner senses. Turn them on. Get out of your head because it's the tape recorder of everyone else's voices. Yes. So laugh, dance, do something creative, breathe, move. And if you have to, just clap. Fuck that. Yeah. Break up the vibration and go back to what a hand on heart. If I weren't afraid, I would.

45:58I wrote that down too. That is direct intuition. It's a scary question, isn't it? If you're not used to asking yourself, if I weren't afraid, I would dot, dot, dot. What would you? it's such an exciting question I ask myself every day when I'm not feeling good I say this is fear do you know what if I weren't afraid I would do a lot less than I do yeah because I constantly think that I am underachieving not doing enough not worthy of things and I have to work doubly hard because I don't deserve any of it and and even like I had this conversation my manager's gonna be like shut your face but like the other day I had this conversation was like oh I think I need to like get back into tv because I sort of I don't I don't do it anymore and I think I need to like face that fear but if I was to ask myself that I don't think I'm scared of doing tv I don't think I want to do it you didn't enjoy it I didn't enjoy it but I I see But I also see why it's passing through.

47:09At the time, and I don't know the back story. I'm just reading the vibe. At the time, you were vibrationally overwhelmed. Yep. So you were just navigating the lay of the land and not had a choice to be yourself. No. If you were to go back, which it doesn't matter, you weren't that person. No. No, no. Nobody would have power over you because you wouldn't need it. No, no. And that's why I know that doing this is so joyful because I can just be me. I don't need to perform or do anything extra. Nobody has a vote. No, exactly. Yeah, exactly. I'm not like beamed into people's front rooms. If they want to watch, you can open your laptop and watch.

47:54You can listen wherever you want kind of thing. But that's the thing that I know is that I would probably do less and spend more time. I mean, luckily, I'm able to sort of juggle my family life and work as well as I can. But I probably would do less to do more school pickups, to like see my friends more, to just hang out the weekends doing nothing or whatever. But I give myself a hard time for that. I always say any change because your brain thinks, oh, you're going to cut off my arm. Bite size. So for this Sunday, I'm going to do less and see if I survive. And then if that works out, I'll do it Saturday, Sunday, next week.

48:36And you inch in. That's how we change. And then you really celebrate it. Yeah. Because you have to imprint your nervous system with, this is a good thing. Yeah. This is an actual. And the more we do less, we pull in. That's feminine energy. the more that the world can bring to you what matches that so all kinds of wonderful new things will come up do it as an experiment exactly because the key thing here whether you are as a listener into psychicness mediumship whatever intuition essentially means that you become the most authentic version of yourself right or you're tuned into that most authentic version because your actions are based on that.

49:24I appreciate that you bring this up because we have a language problem. Yeah. It's not the language of intuition has been pushed out into Woo Woo Ville, where I lived and loved, but I've evolved. We just need to recognize that these words are attempts to describe that I am actually an energetically responsive person being, and I pick up energy and vibration and frequency, and we are communicating all the time, and my outer senses initially receive it. So that's why I get an image. My sense of vision will get the picture, or I'll hear an inner voice. The energy comes through that outer sense, so I'm describing it as an inner voice.

50:16Or my sense of feeling, the gut feeling. My gut is tuning into the energy, so I language it. But it's really just a language challenge. And if we just said, well, hold on, wait a minute. Rather than dismiss it, what are you describing? We come back to this. There's an energy that I am experiencing, and it's real. And it's giving me information, and I am hardwired to pick that up. and I'm going to use that to my benefit. Yeah, because the more we can show up totally as ourselves, saying yes when it feels absolutely right, but really saying no when we know something's not for us. With no explanation.

50:59That's the power. No. Full stop. Full stop. Not for me. That makes life, I don't want to say easier because we're still going to experience challenges, but more fluid. Like we're going with it rather than pushing through. Yeah, exactly. Just making it to the end of the day. It's like if we're using our intuition and going, this feels right, this doesn't, we can be more ourselves and our life just flows. Exactly. In fact, I watched this movie. I was just coming back from New Orleans and I was on the airplane and watched the movie The Roses. Oh, yeah, I want to see that. Because he's a British actress who I adore.

51:34But there is Kate McKinnon in there and she is the intuitive in the room. And she's a major character going, well, I'm feeling some tension in the room. I thought, I love that you're here. I love that you're here because everything she said was accurate. As crazy as they made her, it was accurate. And I thought, we're changing. Yes. This is now in the conversation. And it was a character that everybody just went along with. So we've made progress. Yeah, I love that. So now you just say, you know, I have a feeling that this isn't for me. And no, can't explain it. Don't need to. Don't need to. Don't want to.

52:14That's the power. I love that. For anyone who's new to the idea of spirit guides, could you explain a bit about what they might be, what it might sound like? There could be someone listening to this who's like, I've definitely sensed a voice or felt a message coming in from somewhere. What might that spirit guide be and how might those messages show up? Well, that's a good question. Actually, I wrote a whole book on that because it's not one answer. No. As spiritual beings, we have access to a divine support system, all of which are leading us to our number one guide, which is our own higher self.

52:55We have angels who help us just stay out of trouble. You know, they're the ones that come and intersect and steer us back in when we really drift into what could potentially be a serious problem. Then we have the people who have been in our lives and our ancestors. They are still in spirit. We are part of their lineage and their wisdom comes through. So that's when we think, Grandma. And that's what mediums are talking to. They're the people who talk to that just crossed over transition experience where the soul is still somewhat available to the relationships they had in this third dimension.

53:35Then we have a whole staff. We have helper guides who come and go depending on what we're working on. You have writer guides. Now you have comedy guides. They move in and out. They're like reserves. They're like tutors in reserves. And by helping you, it helps them. It's a whole spiral into an expanded light. We have light beings now, tremendous higher conscious beings who are saying, okay, you humans are kind of slow. And you've got yourselves in a bit of trouble on this planet. So we're going to accelerate your understanding. That's why there's this proliferation all of a sudden of people who channel like this book.

54:18because they are these massive high consciousness beings who are trying to elevate us more quickly. We have joy guides. You know, when you're at the funeral and all of a sudden there's a ripple of hilarity through the ceremony, those are joy guides because stepping out of body is challenging for those left behind but liberating for the soul. So we have a whole constellation, and it's not a static group. As we evolve, the helpers change. So think about it like tutors in school. And I guess also feeling less awkward if you've never done it, asking for help. Because, again, like after reading your book, I was feeling really awful.

55:04I went to bed and I had all this stuff on my mind and I was trying to work out a route through some of it. And I said to my friend, Chris, who passed away nearly two years ago, I said, oh, can you just like help me out? give me like a little bit of guidance or just let me know you're there and I woke up the next morning and I was like oh my god she was not in my dream I was with her yeah you were you were it was wild I was on this hill near my house and she was stood there totally hd quality and we had this hug and I was crying and she was completely fine and I was hugging her and we had a very very brief interaction and then she went but I woke it was the first thing I thought of when I woke up I was like oh my god I forget to do that I forget to ask and doesn't it make life more wonderful yeah makes it magical so much we have lost our magic and I am on a mission to say you can have it back it doesn't take special qualifications this is your birthright to live connected on many dimensions you had a beautiful connection because you asked yeah that's the thing isn't it and again maybe anyone listening to this who wants to try could experiment by like asking before you go to bed or speaking to someone that you know has passed over or I don't know even the other day like when this comedy book idea landed in my head I'd actually had the idea five years ago I had no plan I hadn't even thought of it I had no plan to do anything along those lines and I was on this walk and it just like hit me in the head.

56:39It was just like, that's what you're doing. That's a download. Yeah. And then you had to get ready. Yes. You had to live more drama to write the comedy. Yes, exactly, exactly. But I think asking seems key here rather than just expecting, well, come on then, show up. And then here's the thing. Don't test. Genuinely mean it because you have to have an open heart. That's the portal. Yeah. Now, I was talking on, I have a YouTube channel myself, and I was talking about how guides and angels come to you. And I have 100 stories of people saying this happened to me. So there's evidence in the comments that this is not exclusive to a person like me who's devoted myself to spiritual growth.

57:23These people are just coming online. But it's our birthright. And it's so fun to tell these stories. Don't you love telling that story? I do. And do you know what? I really want to urge anyone listening to this who's had that sort of experience to let us know, like, whether it's on our Instagram thing or in the comments on YouTube. Like, these stories. It takes everyone out of the closet. It does. It does. And they are magical to hear. It's magical to know it's there. For me to hear your story makes me happy. Yeah. And it elevates all of us to say, yeah, this is normal. Yeah. Who are we kidding that this is woo-woo and we're all going to be arrogant and dismiss it?

58:00This is what brings us joy and connection on many levels. It's a gift that we all help each other tell your stories. And don't tell them as weird. Take those quotation marks off and put wonderful in its place. I love it. I love it. I think the big takeaways from this chat are definitely that connection with whoever we want to have a chat to. They'll find you. They'll find us. And also, I guess looking at the agency that we have in life and not falling into victimhood and retraining the positive aspects of our brain. And it's okay to be injured. Yeah. And get the support you need. That's not being a victim.

58:49No, no. That is being injured. If I got hit by a car, then okay, I got to recover. I'm not a victim. I had that experience. so you reframe. Yeah, and I think I love the idea, what you said earlier, about for 21 days, go with your intuition, see how your life changes. I'm doing that. Write to you. Yeah. Everybody listening, have them write to you and tell you what the result was. Yeah. Let's get some evidence because this is not woo-woo. No. This is our new normal. Yeah, I love it. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's so fun. I honestly could talk to you for weeks on end because I feel like there's endless things to learn from your wisdom.

59:32It's new territory that we all need to move into. Yeah, it is. It's a lot lighter hearted and it's working. Yeah, it's amazing. And I'm so grateful for you. Thank you. Not only like another brilliant book that honestly got me out of like the most awful frame of mind, it's just the most beautiful book, which I've passed on to so many people already. I'm so grateful. Thank you so much. I love it. I love it. But I'd love to officially end by asking you, where is your happy place? Right now here in London. And it is because my daughter Sabrina and her husband live here and I have two beautiful granddaughters.

1:00:05And they are hilarious. They are hilarious. One is four and one is nine months. And they are the best. And so I'm laughing a lot. I bet. And it's just the doors keep opening. so the guides brought me here and I didn't expect it but I'm having a great time in this moment so this is my happy place yeah thank you so much Sonia thank you you are incredible and I just adored that chat thank you it was so good thank you so much oh my god Sonia that went too quickly for me like I feel like I've only skimmed the surface with that chat maybe we're going to get Sonia back again. She should maybe even just be a regular because I think we just all need Sonia in our lives.

1:00:52Sonia's book Soul Mastery is out now. Let's chat on Instagram during the week shall we? We're at Happy Place Official. In the meantime a massive thanks again to Sonia, to the producer Anushka Tate at Happy Place Studios and to you. Believe in yourself please and do that thing that you're scared of.

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