Tell self-limiting beliefs to bugger off: Live from Chiswick Festival

0:00Hello and a massive welcome to Happy Place. I'm Fern Cotton and today oh my gosh what a treat I've got for you. We are reliving our Happy Place Festival in Chiswick. The greatest gift of it is that you become the most empowered and confident version of yourself that you can possibly be. And this is the important thing about values. Don't apologize for what you value. But the key is to understand what you truly value opposed to what you're told to value. I would like to tell more people that I was in the midst of a breakdown. I'd still sort of go on like Graham Norton and things and pretend everything was fine.

0:37But I wish I'd said, this is my new single and I'm in the middle of an emotional breakdown. Forget what you think you need, because what you think you need is keeping you in an energy of controlling. How is that working out for you? So the live podcast that I do at the festival, the ones that you've been hearing over the last few weeks, happen on the talk stage. And across the weekend, there are loads and loads of utterly brilliant talks and Q &As with people that I massively admire and who have incredible stories to tell and a lot of wisdom to share as well. This year, a lot of our speakers talked about choosing to live life unapologetically, according to the values that matter to you, not to anyone else.

1:19So today, I want to share the parts of their talks that hopefully inspire you to confidently live the life that you want and basically tell all of those self-limiting beliefs to bugger right off. You're going to hear from absolute legends like Gabby Bernstein, Roxy Nafusi, Lisa Snowden, Paul Brunson, Will Young and Dawn O 'Porter. She pays a gorgeous tribute to Caroline Flack at the end. Our brilliant talk stage host Aaron Roach-Bridgeman and Katie Hill will introduce all of them properly. Gabby's going to kick us off by asking us to examine what we really want. And stick around for Will because he had the festival audience in absolute stitches.

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3:32All right, let's get back to the festival magic. Here's the show.

3:56Welcome to the talk stage I'm hosting today and I'm very excited to bring to you the next guest coming to this stage. A number one New York Times bestselling author, a spiritual teacher, and the founder of the Gabby Coaching App. Please give a warm welcome to Gabby Bernstein. So I started thinking about what I wanted to bring to you today. What was the message I wanted to leave you with? And for me, there's been a theme throughout the past six, seven months for me, a theme of becoming new, stepping into who I really want to be, and stepping into who I believe that I am here to be, and saying no to the things that are old stories, limiting beliefs, stories that I may have been holding on to, but I no longer believe in.

4:54And I got to tell you guys, since I claimed that decision to make this my season of becoming, everything is new. So let me ask you this question. Are you willing to join me in this season of becoming? Yes. I'm looking straight at this lovely woman. She's like, I do. I would. Yes. Yes. Can I get a bigger, more enthusiastic guests from this audience. Yes. Join me in my season of becoming. And so what does that mean? What it means to step into becoming who you want to be means that first and foremost, you have to recognize who you don't want to be. You with me? So do you know the areas of your life where you're playing small?

5:41Do you know the areas of your life where you're holding back, where you're blocked. Okay. So let's get honest with that. And so you know what you no longer want to be doing, where you no longer want to be. Now, can we flip that? Where do you want to be? I'm going to ask you a few questions. And this is a practice about designing and claiming who you want to be. Question number one, how do you want to feel when you wake up every day? How do you want to feel in your life? Think about it. Maybe somebody wants to scream it back at me. I know you're Brits and you're kind of quiet, but this is the funky fern crowd, so I welcome it.

6:28How do you want to feel, people? Abundant. Content, energized. What else? Excited. What else? Awesome. Awesome. Happy. What else do you want to feel? Peace? Excellent. Okay, so really stepping into that feeling. Who do you want to be in the world? And just keep this one for yourself. Who do you want to be? And maybe it's, I want to be a mother. I want to be a powerful presence. I want to be someone who makes an impact. I want to be a healthy, happy person in the world. Who do you want to be? Claim that for yourself right now. And what do you want to give in your life? What do you want to give?

7:15Love. What do you want to give? Sit with that for yourself. And what do you want to receive in your life? What do you want to receive, people? That you can answer. I think we can get a good answer on that one. What do you want to receive? Love. Come on, just say cash. what else do you want to receive freedom freedom is a good one what does freedom mean to you oftentimes freedom is the feeling that we want more than anything freedom to be in the light of who we are freedom to express our truth freedom to be natural and to be waking up with ease freedom from anxiety freedom from financial insecurity freedom from freedom from what freedom from what gives you the freedom to be so ask that for yourself the freedom from this xyz gives me the freedom to be dot dot dot think about that for yourself write that down i want that to be what you come back to freedom from fear gives me the freedom to be freedom from being in december i said freedom from being held back from these mundane things that i'm maybe good at but doesn't mean I should be doing them.

8:27Gives me the freedom to be in my creative force. And here I am. And the next step is to recognize that we manifest, when we want to start to stepping into who we want to be and what we want to create, we manifest what we believe. So when we start to think about what it is that our beliefs are that we're creating, and they're really just informed by our thoughts. The thoughts that we think are beliefs that we hold and the beliefs that we hold create an energy that manifests. And so first things first, recognize the limiting beliefs that are holding you back. And then I want you to think about, well, is there a story where you're saying, when I get that thing, then that belief will be gone.

9:16Anybody have that? When I have that money, that belief can subside. When I have that relationship, that belief can subside. And here's the thing. That's actually quite the opposite of what we want to get to today. Where we want to get to today is to forget what you think you need. Take that in. Forget right now what you think you need. Because what you think you need is keeping you in an energy of controlling and manifesting and trying to make something happen or force something happen. And let me ask you a question. How is that working out for you? Not so great. So when we're in that place of forcing and controlling and trying to make things happen, we are in the way.

10:00And so the secret to manifesting is to forget what you think you need and focus, my loves, on how you want to feel. She is a self-development coach, manifesting expert, and author of two Sunday Times best-selling books, Manifest and Manifest, Dive Deeper. She's been named by Forbes and the Appendant as the Manifesting Queen and has become world-renowned in the self-development and wellness space. Please give a warm welcome to Roxy Nafusi.

10:34Step one is be clear in your vision. Essentially, you can't get to where you want to go unless you know where it is you are headed. And so this is really about just getting that initial clarity on what you actually want from your life, you know, what goals you want to set, what you want to achieve, but most importantly, who you want to become. And I think that every one of us, if we close our eyes and we visualize, we have a version of ourselves in our mind that is, you know, let's call it our higher self or our most empowered self or our most confident selves. Yes, manifesting things is brilliant and it's a nice cherry on top and you can absolutely manifest abundance in many ways.

11:14But the greatest gift of it is that you become the most empowered and confident version of yourself that you can possibly be. And that's where I think all the value lies. Step two is remove fear and doubt. So this is the most important step of the practice. So the real secret to manifesting is that we manifest what we subconsciously believe we are worthy of receiving. and for all of us what is currently standing in the way of us and our dreams is these two things fear and doubt and fear and doubt is a culmination of all our insecurities limiting beliefs and low self-worth and every single one of us in this room I know has that you know some of us have buckets of it and these are insecurities or limiting beliefs that we've formed really early on in life and they've just compounded throughout the years until we get to a point where we just feel exhausted by it and I'm sure some of you listening now will be in that place where you just feel fed up of how powerful your inner critic is how often it stops you going after the things you want or putting yourself out there or taking risks and so this practice really is about doing the inner work and starting to heal those wounds and starting to change what you believe about yourself and And there's so many different ways that you can do that.

12:38And you can do that. You know, I think it's really important to say you can. You can change your belief systems. You can actually cultivate confidence and start to step into your power. And I think it is the part of the manifesting process that I would say is like a lifelong. And I remember when I first heard that healing was a lifelong journey, I was like, well, what the fuck is the point? step three is align your behavior so align your behavior is all about being proactive it's about doing the things you need to do to make the change that you are seeking and so this is really about stepping outside your comfort zone it's about showing up as your future self and one of my favorite little bits of the uh of the book is i talk about fake it until you become it and this is really about stepping into the character of your future self and it's a tool that you can use anytime you're going into a situation where you feel nervous or you feel you know those insecurities are coming in so for example let's say you're going on a date or you're going into an interview you can think to yourself what would my future self do how would they feel stepping into this situation how would they hold themselves how would they speak about to have such a great session it's a lady I am a huge fan of She's one of the nation's best loved radio and TV presenters.

14:02She's a huge women's health advocate, massive on the menopause, which we are all hugely into. Please give a big happy place welcome to Lisa Snowden. Honestly, growing old is a privilege, right? Yeah. We don't all get to do that. And as I've gotten older, I'm 52 now. I've kind of realized that each day. Like, so many people are passing. some people are getting diagnosed with different you know horrible things and so you just kind of wake up each day and I just feel really blessed I feel really grateful and I think you kind of get to a place where you have this sort of sense of peace within yourself now don't get me wrong there's been lots of challenging years getting to this place especially with all the hormones just going crazy and not recognizing who you are but now I love what I do in my life I actually like who I am and I think for so many years that's a big battle for us especially us women because each month you go through this kind of like conflict where you don't like who you are you don't like your body you're very mean to yourself you're very unkind yeah and so I've just kind of got to this place where I just want to like have this sense of self-acceptance love my friends do things I want to do bring all the experiences and all that wisdom of life into the next 50 years yeah you want to have that joy for life you know you want to go back out there and stop putting all these kind of limits on yourself and worrying what people think yeah you know life's too short for that and we used to pick holes in ourselves constantly right yeah be really mean and unkind and it's like you wouldn't do that to your best friend yeah speak to them with kindness and it's noticing as well how so much of what we believe of ourselves and what's possible for our life it's just your inner narrative it's just you telling yourself what is or isn't possible or like your fear or your imposter syndrome.

15:50There's no tribe of people going, oh, Lisa Snowden, she's actually not very good. It's in your head. It's that repetitive negative thoughts that we have. I think it's like 90 % of our thoughts are repetitive and they're all negative and we can be really mean. We're like, oh, that was a bit shit. You know, why'd you do that? Why'd you say that? You know, like if you've been out the night before and you sort of lie in bed and you kind of analyse it and you're like, oh, I can't go and see those people again. I said this, I did that. And it's like, just stop. I started seeing a therapist and this was the guy that had told me so I'd been told to go on antidepressants by the doctor at the NHS and I did take them for a bit then I came off them and then I went to see a therapist because I thought I really need to break this cycle of this kind of self-loathing and perpetuating these relationships that were just so toxic and allowing them to happen and therapist was like you need a dating detox no more men for a year oh i was like it was like no sexting no texting no all of this stuff and i was like oh my god that's so boring how am i gonna do this well even a little cheeky flirt or looking on an app even walking down the street you know sometimes you see a cute guy you sort of want to look and go i didn't do any of that i was like oh my god cute guy eyes down and it was like i was like i had blinkers on what did you learn in that year well i learned that i needed to break these patterns and i need i learned what i deserved i learned what my self-worth was and i really really really had to dig deep and work out how I wanted to be treated and it changed everything and people have always told me you need to write a list of what you want and then sort of and that's going to come to you and I've never been a list person so I started listening to Deepak Chopra the amazing Deepak Chopra does everybody know who he is oh my god he's incredible so I'd listen to him at night he was the only man I went to bed with for a year I think that was allowed because he was on my phone right he wasn't physically there so it was me and Deepak every night and he'd talk and I'd listen I was like yes Deepak you're so wise didn't answer him back just listened and then I started writing this list on the ceiling in my bedroom I was lying up in the in my flat in Camden and I remember just listing all of these qualities and at the beginning it was really hard because I didn't know what I wanted but then the odd quality used to come to me simple I wanted to be kind first and foremost I'd had horrible boyfriends a lot of domestic abuse you know, physical abuse, mental abuse.

18:06And so I was like, okay, I want him to be kind, loving. And it was just slowly but surely all these kind of qualities came and I'd repeat the list every night. So this list got longer and longer and longer and longer. Unbeknownst to me, I was manifesting George. It was like the universe was just conspiring to give me what I want. And he was the one. The market's uncertain. Revenue's tied and hiring on hold. That's why results-driven companies are using Upwork to keep work moving. Go to Upwork.com today and start hiring proven freelance talent fast. No bulky overhead, no rigid long-term contracts, just the right expert right when you need them.

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19:57I am very excited, as I can see all of you are, because we have a very packed house, to announce our next guest. Renowned relationship counselor, matchmaker, serial entrepreneur, television host, and author, please give a huge happy place welcome to Paul Carrick Brunson. Dr. Weldinger has, so he's from Harvard University. He's written a book called Good Life, which is another phenomenal book that I encourage everybody to read. But he has the longest longitudinal study around basically like, you know, our happiness. And in essence, what Dr. Weldinger found is that when we have strong well-being and we have a strong community, we live longer.

20:42We are healthier. we make more money so if you think about every outcome that we want it then is associated back to our well-being which is why we really need to put the oxygen mask on first it's so critical to do this but also not to do it for external validation what i've noticed now is there's a lot of talk around mental health and i talk to a lot of a lot of young men right i work with a lot of young men and a lot of the fellows will come to me and say you know paul i'm working on my mental health. And I say, how are you working on your mental health? Yeah, how's that going? Yeah, how's that going for you, right?

21:17And they're like, well, you know what? I'm in the gym. You know, I'm working out. I'm in the gym every day. Look at my arms, Paul. Go hard or go home? Yeah, yeah. And we know thighs are the new buys. So they're like, I'm working on my legs. You see, my legs look like tree trunks out here. You know what I mean? This is my mental health. And then I'll say, well, why are you actually doing that? And then when you unpack it, you realize they're only doing it so they could post the photo of themselves in the gym for external validation. So they're not doing it for their mental health. So that's why we can't get confused and think that, okay, we're in the gym.

21:52No, no, no. We have to fully understand what our values are. We have to understand what true wellbeing is. We have to make sure that we are feeding our wellbeing. That's the most important, our true wellbeing. Who knows who their values are? Just out of interest. Put your hands up if you've worked your value. Okay, quite a lot of people don't. So the one thing I would urge you to do when you leave later today, literally get online. You can find lists of values. You can get curious around. I mean, work with somebody to find them is the best thing to do, but really get curious about which values resonate with you.

22:24And there's so many brilliant ways you can find them online for like unpacking that. Like think of a moment in your life when you felt on fire. That's one of my favorite ones. So when life was working and you felt like you were in flow and like who were you with them what were you doing and what values might that suggest are important to you? Because when you know your values, life makes sense, right? Life makes sense. Values are our rule book to life. This is what I love about it. Like we all live by different rules. And this is the reason why values are so key is because you need to have somebody in your life that lives by the same rules.

22:55Otherwise you're operating differently. And one of the things I used to do with my matchmaking clients for many years in terms of identifying values is that you have to think about what do like everyone right now, think about what do you do when you have full control of your time? So you don't have to go to work. Let's say it's a Sunday. You don't have to go to work. What do you choose to do with that time? When you don't have to spend money on bills, what do you choose to spend your money on? Think about that. Now, a lot of people are look at each other laughing like, oh my God. He's seen my back.

23:36Yeah, I'm spending my money on some wild stuff. That's because you have wild values. And this is the important thing about values is don't apologize for what you value. Don't apologize for that. But the key is to understand what you truly value opposed to what you're told to value. Yeah. You know, when I was growing up, I was told to value religion. And I would, like every day I would pop up and say, whenever I asked Paul, what are your values? I'd say, you know, Christianity, that's my value. And then I thought about it. I was like, I haven't been to church in 15 years. How am I honoring that?

24:16You know what I mean? I have not. My Bible has five feet of dust on it. Right? So is this truly my value? No. So you have to think about your values. And then once you've identified your values, feed them. Feed them. Because that's how you come alive is when you're feeding your values. And I guarantee, and I know guarantee is a strong word, but I guarantee you that if you do that, a year from now, you will have higher well-being. And having higher well-being a year from now means that you will have a higher quality of life a year from now. And what does that mean? That means that those around you will also have a higher quality of life.

24:56And if there are any mothers or fathers in the room, that means your children will have a higher quality of life. And it goes on and on and on. The greatest gift we could give our kids is our well-being. That's the greatest gift we can give them. He won our hearts with his incredible voices. And he stayed in our hearts with his thoughtful and lovable personality. and now he's written a book to give us an A to Z with how to help us look after ourselves. Please give a massive warm welcome to William! Now, but let's talk about Be Yourself and Happier. Now, I think that's an incredible title, and I think it's also an incredible motto to live by in life.

25:38But what inspired that title? There are two things that are coming through my mind. So the first thing was someone suggested, and this is actually in the book, so was be yourself but happier but I don't really believe in you I've just used but isn't that interesting sometimes you can but I've done it again but the reason I'm saying that is so often people say I'm I'm doing this but I'm sad or I'm doing this but I feel anxious and and I learned quite a few years ago to say why are we putting some things on a level you know why are we putting anxiety with a butt so it's like a it's it's a negative so i changed it to i so i went to see kylie minogue yesterday and i also had quite bad social anxiety on the way there i mean it was really fucking bad you know all emotions are the same so i changed the title to be yourself and happier rather than be yourself whatever i was saying i can't remember but you know what I get the gist.

26:39Where did it come from? Because I had a breakdown and I went on a journey of healing and I would thoroughly recommend a breakdown. Like if I could have my... If I could have it again, I would like to tell more people that I was in the midst of a breakdown, you know, because I'd still sort of go on like Graham Norton and things and pretend everything was fine. But I wish I'd said, this is my new single and I'm in the middle of an emotional breakdown, you know. And I learned a lot of stuff and I read a lot of books. I mean, I was ferocious because I was so unhappy and I didn't know what to do. So I thought I'm going to study.

27:21And I took these bits from lots of different books, different people I'd worked with, from acupuncturists to shamans, and I wanted to collate it in a book because we often hear these phrases like, I'm triggered, you know, what's a boundary or what's codependency you know or even things like what do i do at christmas time how do i handle my really annoying family that trigger me with their codependency at christmas time you know so i put it all in a book i think one of the biggest things for me is boundaries yeah to be honest i'm like the i'm the master at boundaries and i gave this example when i when i came on on fern's podcast but i do think it's quite a good example and people sort of quite And by the way, you can be a really kind, empathetic person and have boundaries.

28:09Because hopefully, think of a great parent. That's hopefully what you're doing as a parent. So just bear that in mind. The market's uncertain. Revenue's tied and hiring on hold. That's why results-driven companies are using Upwork to keep work moving. Go to Upwork.com today and start hiring proven freelance talent fast. No bulky overhead. No rigid long-term contracts. Just the right expert, right when you need them. Work smarter and faster with Upwork. Go to Upwork.com now and find your freelance expert. That's U-P-W-O-R-K dot com. Post a job for free and get started today. Say what you want about AI, but it's here.

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29:20But my neighbor, my old neighbor, I've moved now, came around. And her drain had burst. and our drains ran along sort of four properties and there was shit everywhere. But she was in a panic. I'll call her Emily, because that's her name.

29:39Genius, I know. And she was like, what are we going to do, Will? Shit everywhere. And I mean, I was just getting, and also I'm a bit of an empath, so I was getting the energy, you know, and I was like, she's panicking. And I said, I'm going to have to stop you there, Emily. And then I said, because I've done a lot of therapy, and make a vulnerable request, which like blew her mind she never even heard that phrase vulnerable request because she kept saying what are we going to do what are we going to do and i said there's no we in this well there is but you know there's no i never thought of that joke before i could use that again that was good that was i said there's no there's no pronoun we in it i said you've got your drain and i've got my drain and and she she was trying to make it my problem she didn't know what to do so I said I'm making a vulnerable request that you talk from honestly said this that you talk from the eye position and she just went she said I've got a problem with my drain I said okay how do you feel about it she was like we went to a whole dialogue but the reason i use that as an example is very quickly if we don't have boundaries just by the use of someone's language we are wrapped into their literally wrapped into their shit do you know what i mean i'll give you another example my parents they're mad but they're brilliant they they're mad but they've moved to france my mum goes to france first and it's a whole thing my dad's i'm not i'm not going to france I've worked there for 30 years and my mum is like what are we going to do about your father and by the way she emails this to me while I'm on stage doing a Q &A to the Q &A email address which she's not allowed to have and I didn't get involved in the France debacle I haven't got involved with it it's been going on for about three years finally my dad they had two houses they're very lucky my mum's already out there now they've sold the Cornwall house my dad's going out I have not got involved with this.

31:45They tried to reel me in via fucking email when I'm live on stage. That's how good they are at trying to bring their son in. And not, you know. So boundaries is a big one. You've got to have boundaries because otherwise you go, you just go down with the ship, you know, and it's the most important thing. So excited to introduce this very special lady. She is an author. She is a presenter. She is an absolute fashion icon. and an all-around good and gorgeous egg. Please make a huge happy place welcome for Dawn O 'Porter.

32:22When you're a writer, you have your own form of therapy. Even as a kid, if something was traumatic, I used to write a letter to the problem or write a letter to the person. Wow, how did you know to do that? I don't know, but I found some of the letters a while ago. I was really fucked up. um but you I am it just felt never with the intention of the person you're writing the letter to ever seeing it like that would be the worst thing but just this kind of this tool to get stuff out and that's what fiction is as well you know you can you can take something in your life that's eating away at you and turn it into a story and then just this kind of feeling of relief that you get is huge yeah so even if you don't write books you know the the therapy that you can give yourself writing stuff down it's much easier than talking to people and being honest yeah and I know and I and I saw you talking about um spirituality and actually how you weren't massively spiritual but in that process of grieving Caroline there were several incidents of things that happened I remember a specific one about crows that you might want to share oh there was there was one day when you know grief does this one day you'll be I think I'm okay again and then And the next day you are doubled over in agony.

33:35And there was one day that was just really, really, really bad. And I was struggling to get it together. And I walked outside. I can't remember exactly what. I'm trying to remember it as I'm saying it. But I walked outside and these crows were just walking up on the line. They were just being so, so I'd never seen it before. They were just being so dramatic and trying to get my attention and trying to take my sight line up. And I look up at the sky and an aeroplane has written the words, be kind in the sky, which became kind of the hashtag after Caroline's death, was to be kind to people. And at the time, everyone was just saying, you know, be kind, be kind.

34:18And that was sort of her legacy. And these crows just made me go like that. And it's literally in the sky above my house. Wow. Like, okay, I'm listening. And it's such a beautiful way of honouring her essence. I think for everybody, collectively, I'm sure everyone will agree, but I think it's even more shocking when it's someone who shines so bright. When they go, you're like, no, no, no, no, no. You can't mean that person because they literally lit up a room when they walked in. It's true. I will never, ever get my head around it. I still don't understand it. I think all death is awful. but it's it's anyone who's lost anyone in that way it's just so impossible to understand and you just will always always tell yourself that there's something you could have done and and I there probably wasn't but I think you just there wasn't no no I think there probably wasn't actually someone said that to me at the time and it really stuck with me but you always you know you had kind of you're falling asleep at night you just imagine the call that you could have made but I think the best we can do is just celebrate you know the joy look after people be kind and for everybody to celebrate life and the fact that you know it can change in a heartbeat for any single one of us you know whether it's a loved one that we lose or something that happens to ourselves it's like I think that's what I love about this kind of festival it's like just a celebration of life and a reminder to freaking live it you know totally so important oh what a beautiful way to sum up the festival Katie just a celebration of life and a reminder to freaking live it.

35:54I love that so much. And thank you so much to every single one of you who came along to the festival and maybe heard some of those talks live or maybe you were off busy doing a crafting workshop or a meditation or something like that. We're doing it all again at Tatton Park on Saturday the 31st of August and Sunday the 1st of September. If all of these talks have fired up your soul, you can still get tickets if you want to come along. I'll give you a hug. happyplacefestival.com By the way, loads of people you just heard there have been on the podcast before so I'll pop links to their full episodes in the show notes in case you want to go back and listen to them.

36:33Gabby's one is one that really sticks out. Alright, massive thanks again too, wait for it. Aaron, Katie, Gabby, Roxy, Lisa, Paul, Will and Dawn. To the producer Anushka Tate at Happy Place Studios and to you for being the best part of all of this.

36:52Thank you.

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