Are You Chasing the Wrong Wealth? Robin Sharma on Purpose, Success & a Life Well Lived

28:52Mindset is important. It's not everything, but it's important. Your mindset is your psychology. So work on your beliefs, clean out your limiting assumptions, meditate, visualize, pray, read the right books, et cetera. But the second interior empire is heartset. We're human beings. We have a beating heart. We have our psychology, but we have our emotionality. So amplify your gratefulness, your wonder, your positivity, your love, all those optimistic emotions. But don't dismiss shame, anger, disappointment, sadness, regret. Feel them because to feel a wound, you need to healer wound. And our society says, big boys don't cry.

29:42Whoever, boys, girls, women, men, whoever, wherever, we are feeling people. And if we don't feel the sadness, we don't get to feel the joy. And if I could repeat that again, because I think it's important. If we don't feel the sadness, that's why we're blocked to the joy. And most people are living in their heads. They're not living in their bodies. And so they read a book, go out and watch a sunset, go walk in nature, you'll feel happy, show love. They don't know how to show love because their body is so blocked from intimacy with their emotionality. And so when you start to feel those lower grade emotions, it's messy.

30:26Yeah. But this allows you to start to feel alive again. And I've had a lot of clients, They're so logical and analytical. They've become multi-billionaires, but they can't feel the joy of the bird song on a nature walk. Is that rich? The third interior empire is health set, which is your physicality. And then the fourth is soul set, which is your spirituality. And all I'm trying to say is there are four interior empires, not just mindset. If you work on mindset, heart set, health set, and soul set, you're going to be a far healthier and happier person. I love that. I think it's one of those things where even if you are in nature, I had this recently with a friend where we went on a walk and the whole time they were getting out their phone and more connected to their digital device than they were to what's around them.

31:21And I guess that's from the sheer pressure of always having to feel on, right? Like never feeling that they can disconnect and go in and fill their body. And I talk about that a lot on this show. And I think you also talk a lot about the suffering of unworthiness. And I can't not have this conversation with you without bringing this up because all of my work now is rooted in self-worth and self-compassion. And I think, you know, so many people today are suffering unworthiness. So despite, you know, all these amazing people that you mentor, these billionaires, all of these incredible musicians, all these people at the top of their game, a lot of them can also suffer with a sense of unworthiness.

32:03So how can someone who is not feeling good enough listening to this connect to feeling good enough, knowing that they're good enough? Because sometimes it can sound so easy to say, but to actually feel it, that's where I think the block comes up. So how can they actually connect, moving to their body to actually feel that they're good enough? Because that's really what's going on upstream. That's what's really allowing us to make these decisions, to move forward, you know, when we really look at the bigger picture. So how can we get people to actually, like, start feeling good enough? That's a very intelligent question and a huge question.

32:37And I would actually say almost every one of my clients, these titans and legends, almost every one of them suffer from unworthiness. and I think it's because if you weren't enough for your parents, you always need to prove because you're a little kid trying to get mommy and daddy's love. And then you become a 40-year-old, a 30-year-old, an 80-year-old, always trying to get mommy and daddy's love. and so and a lot of people don't know how to heal it so what are the modalities to help you build more self-worth so you're not measuring your success by the world i would say mvp mvp is in as you know in sports circles it's most valuable player and i would say if you want to be the most valuable player of your life start your day with meditation visualization and prayer And don't do it once a day or once a week and hope for results.

33:47Consistency breeds mastery. Commit to starting your day with at least 20 minutes of meditation. And I can walk you through the process to be helpful to your viewers and listeners. But 20 minutes a day, I like 45 minutes a day, meditating and then visualizing and praying. And it's not going to happen in a day. But if you do this for weeks and months, you will start to transform. And we could talk about neuroplasticity and neurobiology and the science of transformation. This works, but no idea works for someone who's not going to do the work. So I'd say MVP. How else can you feel self-worth? Talk therapy.

34:28I've had some really great results. Again, not giving any medical advice, but I did a sweat lodge experience a number of years ago that was very profound for me. Very profound. Tell me. Why? It's almost like I let go of a lot of the limiting beliefs and a lot of the emotional baggage that I was carrying, and I just kind of sweated out over the time I was in there with the Native American elders in that sweat lodge. Journaling has saved my life. So just journaling over and over about not the things you achieve in the world, but the traits you're building. I've watched the science of adaptogens grow personally over the last few years and I've become more curious in their role in nervous system support, focus and resilience because adaptogens basically buffer the cortisol that gives us that stress and anxiety.

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35:54They have lots of different blends. Flow gets me into deep focus with Lion's Mane. Zen helps support my calm and steady my clarity with ashwagandha. And Mojo gives a clean lift, no crash. And Mush Love made with fantastic fungi with three hephastatera mushrooms to elevate your day. Enjoy 20 % off and use code LIVEWELLBEWELL. They come in these fantastic little sachets and they are great for traveling too. I know you have these five questions at the last in the morning, but a lot of people I think can get confused with journaling because they kind of go, what do I write? Or they go, okay, I'm grateful for my family.

36:30And then they walk away. And And so I think a lot of people can feel disconnected to journaling. So what do you do every day? Like what's your practice with journaling? How do you approach the paper? Yeah, I shake it up. I almost always start with the five-question morning maximizer. We've covered those five questions. If I'm traveling on the weekend, I was in Rome. So I always take the stationery of the hotel and I take the logo and I travel with a little glue stick and I post the, I glued the logo into my journal, which anchors me where I am. And then I often start with the HDIF question, which is how do I feel?

37:08And that builds more intimacy with my feelings versus everything being logical. I feel joyful. I feel this, I feel tired. I feel elated. I feel curious or whatever. So I'll write about how I feel. And then sometimes I'll just write about free flow, so things that are working, things that I want to optimize. But if you want to, to your question, if you want to increase self-worth and a sense of self-love, then I would write less about your ambitions in the world, and I'd write less about your achievements, and I'd focus more on your gifts. You know, write about your gifts, write about the suffering you've overcome, write about the people that you've helped, write about the blessing you've been, write about the friend you are, write about the learnings that you've accumulated, write about the wonderful places that you've visited, whether it's Mauritius swimming with dolphins or a bakery that just opened up in your community.

38:11I love that I think you mentioned it earlier and I really didn't want to interrupt you but you spoke about your strengths and I think that's one of the most hidden bullets if you want to say magic pills of all of this and it's probably my own biggest lesson because I grew up as a dyslexic unknown dyslexic and also I've also just been recently diagnosed with ADHD which I haven't spoke about yet but I am now and but for me the dyslexia part was the biggest because it's when I went back into school much later and the fear of going back to school as a mature student to study nutritional science basically made me leave after six weeks because I just didn't think I was good enough I never knew where my strength lied at all all I was ever told was what I wasn't good at so I spent my entire life hiding and trying to like put everything that I feel like I didn't know and put all of my time into that so I was constantly feeling like I was failing like I was always behind because all I was concentrating on was the things that I wasn't good at.

39:13And I had absolutely no idea what I was good at. And so when I got back into class and then I said, well, you know, I'm going to leave because I'm just not good enough, which is physical words that came out of my mouth. The professor said to me, you know, actually you are, why would you say that? And looked at me in this confused state, probably the only person that ever said that to me to this point. And I was in my mid twenties and getting that diagnosis at the beginning transformed my life because she started telling me well this is actually where your brain is good at so we need to start like shifting your focus towards things that you're actually very good at and I didn't realize that I spent the quarter of my life only prioritizing the things that I was bad at and I don't think we're ever taught the things that we're good at I think we're always trying to get through a schooling system from a very early age of sacrificing tests and trying to really lean into things of how can I be better at the things that I'm not good at to make sure that I'm in the top grades of all classes.

40:10And so we're basically on the beginning of that journey, always trying to balance out the things that we're bad at. And I think if you actually truly say to somebody, what is your strengths? Like truly, like what do you think you really are good at? I think most people struggle because we're never told to champion that. We're always trying to maximize what we're bad at because a fear of rejection, a fear of shame, a fear of unworthiness. And so it sits in that camp where so much of our time is then put towards the things that we're actually maybe not flourishing in. Yeah, I agree 100%. I would say the things that society says we're bad at are often the things that make us great.

40:52How many of the greatest artists, painters, leaders, humanitarians had dyslexia? They had ADHD. They didn't do well in school. And these were the people who had the brightest and boldest visions because they saw the world differently. And I think You're right. As simple as it sounds, even using mantras in the Wealth Money Can't Buy, I shared the example of Taylor Swift. And she seems to be doing a lot of work on herself from what I can tell. Yeah. And she used to always put herself down. Like you're speaking about, so many of us do not manage our self-talk well. We talk to ourselves in ways we would never even talk to our greatest enemy if you had an enemy.

41:43And she started a practice, which is every time a negative thought comes into her mind, she goes, we don't do that anymore. But what that is, is that's a mantra. And mantras are powerful for rewiring through the power of neuroplasticity, our neurology. And so I have this tool, which is the three breath mantra. mantra. And so every, every time you start to become aware that you're putting yourself down, you, oh, I don't have enough. I don't have enough money. I'm not fit enough. I'm not good looking enough. I'm not productive enough. I don't fit in. You take three breaths in and each time you take in a breath, you recite a mantra or an affirmation celebrating who you wish to become and all that's good about you.

42:30And if you do that a few times a day, you're going to start the rewiring process. A second thing, every time you see a mirror, say something good to yourself. Such a simple idea. Every time you, so look at yourself and say something affirming because our income and our impact is always based on our self-identity. I'm going to repeat something here as well, because I'm English, you're Canadian. The English, you can tell me the Canadians are similar, really struggle with this. If you tell someone to say something good to themselves in the mirror, they get a cringe. And Oliver Berkman told me to lean into that cringe.

43:08That cringe is where the work comes from. And so for most English people, telling them to walk past the mirror and say like, you look bloody great today. You're doing epic. You know, whatever it is, they feel really uncomfortable. I think Americans are much better at doing this. They're much better at leaning into that kind of positive affirmation. but I really feel like the English struggle with it. And I'm not sure you can tell me what the Canadian side is similar or not, but it's really helped me that I say lean into the cringe. Just like accepting that it feels cringe and a bit uncomfortable makes it feel more accepting and open to go, okay, well, this is where my work's needed.

43:52Well, the first thing I would say to that is what I've shared is science-based. second thing there's too much cynicism in the world right now people are so happy to criticize to roll their eyes to be cynical about things related to personal growth personal development because i think we're in a scientific world we're in an ai world we're in a technological world so things like self-development now this is transforming right now over the past few years But things like self-development, things like, I mean, I see comments that might be about cold plunging or meditation or biohacking. And you'll see the comments and it's like, oh, you know, that's for people that believe anything they'll hear.

44:46Oh, foolish people, it's unrealistic. I think those are very, very cynical people. A lot of the latest habits and thoughts and protocols are completely based on science. Is some of it not science-based? Absolutely. So, you know, I think things like mantras, right? People just go, oh, affirmations, it's so silly. Mantras come from the Eastern philosophy and have been practiced by the monks and warriors and sages and teachers and pundits for thousands and thousands of years. And why are mantras powerful? Mantra is derived from the Sanskrit word. Man means mind. And tra means, your favorite word, freedom.

45:36And so words affect our self-identity. And here's the key. We are affirming things to ourselves anyway. We are talking to ourselves anyway. We are picking up programming from our teachers and parents at an early age anyway. Why not just use the words that make you more confident, more loving, more productive, more creative and a happier human being? 100 % being your best friend. Especially when 80 % of our thoughts are negative. And I think many people when I say that statistic are very shocked. But that constant dialogue is that I don't want to have a friend around me that makes me feel low and disapproving.

46:16So I think why would we have that with ourselves? right? It's really important. So one of the wheels that I love that you've put in the book is around family. It's the third wheel. And it's true, like, this is something that money can't buy. This is kind of off limits. This is something that also, I think, needs a little bit of importance today. Because we were speaking just before you came on about how people do feel very disconnected and very lonely. And family and relationships as a whole are really important. And I even know that from the science of health, how important connection is. And I love that you wrote within this about finding love a bit later in life.

46:55You said, you know, I'm gonna be honest, I found my love in my 50s. And can I say a line that really hit me? Sure. As you search, please be sure to look for a partner, not a project. and that line for me cemented a lot of I think maybe my own journeys and patterns not being a fixer allowing that to kind of come back on yourself and there's a lot of when we're looking for love the external validation that we can go for or wanting to support somebody else and forgetting ourselves. So just talk to me a little bit about finding the right partner in the context for you. And that line, that resonated with me so much.

47:46Tell me about the importance of how important and integral it is to be conscious of finding the right partner. I think finding the right life partner, or the right partner in any intimate relationship, whether it's lifetime or whether it's for a month, but I think it's a deep part of our joy. You can have a great business, for example, a great career, but if you come home and it's full of drama, nothing's going to work. And I think we've all experienced relationships that are full of drama and toxic relationships. And so, well, in the book, I talked about the 10 ,000 dinners question, and it comes from, I wish you could remind me of her name, but she's a London divorce lawyer.

48:30Yeah, I've got her. I've got her here. And I might say it wrong, but Aisha Vagdag. Exactly. Aisha Vagdag. I just want to give credit where it's due. And so she was interviewed in the Financial Times about her lifestyle, et cetera. And then they said, you know, you've worked with so many different footballers and famous people going through divorces. You've seen a lot of difficulty. What is your wisdom on a great relationship? And her reply was very simple, 10 ,000 dinners. And the interviewer said, what do you mean by 10 ,000 dinners? And Aisha said, if you can see yourself eating 10 ,000 dinners with this person, keep them close because great love is hard to find.

49:13And so for me, firstly, what I'd say is I've learned from every relationship I've ever been in. And I do believe that in this idea of season, reason, lifetime. Some people come in for a season, some for a reason, and some for an entire lifetime. And right now I'm blessed to be in a lifetime relationship with Elle. And it's interesting, she's essentially from the same little town that I'm from. She lived there for a period of time, so that's interesting. But we just, there's this idea of universes collide. And for me, the best relationships are not universes collide and opposites attract. What's worked for me is finding someone who sees the world through a similar lens, someone who has similar values, and someone who likes doing in many ways the same things I love to do.

50:10Like our perfect evening is staying at home in the farmhouse with our little dog, five pound Chorky Holly and, and just listening to some music and reading and talking. You know, we, now if you love someone who loves roller coasters and someone loves being at home reading, there's going to be a lot of negotiating. And I think life is too, too short to be negotiating all the time. That's pretty exhausting. So I think though, and then I once heard a psychologist say the number one way to determine whether a relationship will last is how you handle conflict. Yes. And that is so, I think such an important point.

50:48Like if something comes up, we just, we just talk about it. There's no hysteria or anything like that. So those would be a few of the, uh, the ideas that have, that have worked for us. Yeah. I think it's such an important bolster that I think it's, I think the emphasis on, And the stress of trying to find the right person can feel an incredible amount of pressure. And also when you're in a relationship and maybe it's not working, the worry of coming out and being alone. Like how can people navigate their own relationships to know if inside it's right for them? I think that's such an important question.

51:24Sure. I think the first thing is get comfortable going into a restaurant and eating alone before you look for a relationship. Love that. What I mean by that is, you know, it's this idea that most of us are incredibly uncomfortable with our own company. So if we're alone in our apartment, for example, we turn on the TV or we start scrolling or we even have to have music or we, but we ultimately, we are the only people we will be with for our entire life. You are the only person you get to be with for your entire lifetime. So start to like yourself and like your own company. And I think that that'd be great training.

52:10Like go into a cool restaurant on a Friday night and here's the key, leave your phone at home and sit there and enjoy and savor the food. And great positive psychologists say that one of the things for happiest people, it's not talked about enough, but this idea of savoring, It's been shown by positive psychological research to really boost optimism. So sit there on a Friday night, no escape routes, and just sit there and be. And enjoy the food, savor the food, and then just start to enjoy your own company. Start to go to, find lonely places. Go rent a cabin by the sea for a week and be alone and get to know yourself.

52:55or each day take at least a 15-minute nature walk alone, you know, just where you get to know yourself and you applaud yourself for everything that you've done. And this isn't silly. This is befriending yourself. This is self-compassion. This is building your inner relationship. And I think often people who say, oh, it's silly and why would you do that? And those are people who are just scared of change. Yeah, there comes discomfort sometimes of facing oneself. a lot of people say that when you're in a relationship it holds up a mirror right to all the work that you've got to do and I and I do believe that to an extent you know when you are in a relationship you're in close proximity with someone else there are a lot of things that can come up and become to your awareness of what you still need to do because life is always a continuous work and journey it doesn't ever stop you've written so many amazing insights in this book and I can't not ask you what your favorite one is and it's like asking you to pick your favorite child, I know, but I am going to ask you to pick what is the one that like really stands out to you the most that you really hold dear to you of all the lessons that you wrote on the eight healthy habits.

54:04On the eight forms of wealth, I would say, um, maybe the chapter about going ghost for a year. So many people have, have commented on that. And the idea is basically, if you look at the most creative, productive people, they all have a retreat, whether it's the stacks in a public library or whether it's a seaside cottage like Goldeneye, which was where Ian Fleming, who created the James Bond books, he would just go to get away from the world. But I think it's really important to go ghost on a regular basis. Ideally, if you can, go ghost for a year. Go to Bali or go to Colombia or take your family on a sailing adventure.

54:49If you can't go ghost for a year, go ghost for a month. And if you can't go ghost for a month, then do it even for a weekend. But I think it's really important to get away from the noise so you can hear the signal. I think our greatest insights, and there's a lot of entrepreneurs who watch your show. When I work with my clients, one of the things I help them do is on their schedule, institutionalize strategic refueling. Because so many people work hard because they think it's going to make them more productive. That comes from the factory era, where if we were at a factory and we produced more, we would be more productive.

55:26We're now in the cognitive era. And so if we are depleted, and if we are exhausted, and if we have lost our inspiration, because pretty much all we do is work, we're not going to get the billion dollar ideas that help a billion people. So spending more time going ghost, I think, is a very powerful idea. That connects a lot to your rest comment that you mentioned in the five questions, right, is getting the rest and the recovery. But if someone's looking at their diary, and whether it's somebody who is like an extremely busy mom, or an entrepreneur running a very high scale company, how can that person actually like know that prioritizing that is going to increase to a better outcome, better productivity, being a better mom, whatever it is.

56:11because I do think it's so hard that sometimes when you feel like life is toppling on top of you to make these decisions say well actually I'm just not going to go to that meeting or I'm actually just not going to turn up to that thing it's so hard to actually inject that into your life and be aware of it but also enforce it how can we do that to actually say no to the things that we feel we should be saying yes to well a few ways I would answer that first of all, there are a lot of workaholics in the world right now. And there's a lot of people whose self-worth is tied to their self-identity in the world.

56:47Absolutely. And so if your identity is attached to, I'm a business builder, then if you're not building your business, you don't have any self-identity. So you're going to be a work addict. But if you don't like yourself very much or you're full of wounding and undeservability issues, then you're not going to prioritize self-care and wellness and fitness and stillness and meditation because your identity is tied to you working. A lot of people, you know this, they use overwork as a badge of honor. Yes. So that'd be the first thing I'd say. Second thing is just look at the science. Look at the science, the work of the energy project.

57:31Look at... What's the energy project? The energy project has found, for example, that the most productive people are much more like sprinters versus like marathoners. And the most productive people work in bursts of intense activity and then they pull back and recover. and then if you study the great lives many of the great lives once we're here in london winston churchill i mean he had a very full plate to put it mildly especially in world war ii but almost every weekend he would have uh one car in front of him with his security person with a revolver as his protection and into the night they would race out to checkers his country retreat And he'd spend the whole weekend smoking cigars in the Rose Garden, taking long walks, staying up till two after midnight, drinking and eating for recovery.

58:26Now, I'm not saying you have to drink and eat. What I'm saying is he had a retreat. And if you look at a lot of the great creative people, they had places they would go to to rest and to recover. I love that. I think hearing about you being in Italy and you now coming into painting and becoming an artist, something you mentioned at the beginning of the pre-interview was that you're always learning. Every day there's something that you're wanting to learn. This book took you two years, am I right, to write? I wrote it, it took one year to write. One year to write, but 12 different iterations. You said you kept coming back to it and wanting to repurpose it and move it around.

59:08And you became, as you said, you would lock yourself in a room for a week and just analyze this book. Obviously, since then, there's probably been, how many months has gone past since you've published this book? Or since you've put down the writing pen? A year and a half. What do you wish that you put in this book that's not there? because you've obviously learned something post that. Is there anything that comes to mind that you've learned since then that you would have liked to put into the book? I can tell you honestly, nothing. Really? Yeah, it's the 5am Club book, which took me four years to write.

59:41The book after that, The Everyday Hero Manifesto, which I wrote in the pandemic, and The Wealth Money Can't Buy. There are a lot of things I would say I could make better. But those three books, I gave everything I have as a human being and a craft person and hopefully a servant leader. I just, I went all in. And by the time I got to a place, because I know you're so interested in the creative process on all three books, I got to a place where I said, and I think this is the litmus test where I said, if I now make another change, I'm going to make it worse. And I think when you get to that place, it's time to hand it into the editor.

1:00:22I guess in that moment, when you handed it in, did you go, what's my next book going to be? No, I didn't at all. No, I'm still recovering from the latest book, really. You're in rest. Yeah, it's just rest. And it's only now that I'm starting to think about another book. I was so empty. I was so spent. I was, yeah, I was just empty. And one of my friends said, you didn't just write that book. The book wrote you. And I think it's very easy to mail things in, whether you're a singer, an athlete, an entrepreneur, a parent. Biggest job you ever do. But there's a lot of parents, not judging, just reporting, go into a restaurant, they're kind of mailing it in.

1:01:06I was in a restaurant the other day, the little kid was being raised by an iPad. And so it's easy to mail things in, but when you bring it on and go full and give, whether it's a book or a screenplay, you give it your heart and soul. it doesn't really matter if the world makes it a bestseller and if people applaud you can applaud because going to the edges of your creative potential and your your your personal gifts it changes you as a person like it changes you as a person even if no one reads this latest book Oh, they have and they will. Thank you, but it's changed me as a person. And isn't that the real reward?

1:01:55It is amazing. I think when you write a book and you go through that process so much, it's also connected to your own personal growth. I feel very grateful for the show in that way. That every day I'm learning something with somebody different sitting in front of me and the wisdom that they bring, that you grasp each day something new and insightful to kind of add and share into the world. And I think that's something that's so beautiful. So if there's one piece of wisdom that you would love to leave for our listeners, I mean, you've left a lot in today's episode, what would it be? There's a Japanese word called intoku, which is the art of giving in secret.

1:02:32And my suggestion is let us all be masters of intoku. Because I think if you give a gift, whether it's a compliment or helping someone at work or a stranger on the street or mentoring one of your children, if you give it with the intention of a reward, it's not a gift, it's a trade. But to go through the rest of our lives being a silent gift giver is an amazing thing for this very messy world. But it's amazing what it does for yourself. And we could talk about oxytocin. We could talk about endorphins. We could talk about dopamine, the motivational molecule. We could talk about serotonin, the feel-good neurotransmitter.

1:03:18All those things are released within us when we help someone. But just being a gift giver, I think, is a great way to go through life. I think that connects to my self-worth question. I know that one of the biggest things that can increase your self-worth is actually giving back. And ironically, it can be one of the most selfish things one person can do is to help another person, because it really is one of the biggest things in science that has been shown to really help increase one's self-worth. Giving to somebody else gives you more purpose than giving to your own. and so I think that's a beautiful piece to leave people with and I don't think we give enough and to give secretly is even more beautiful so Robin you've been incredible I am in awe of all of your work your journey everything that you share the commitment that you create to writing these books to sharing your knowledge to helping people and I'm so thankful you come on this show today and yeah, it's been amazing to be in your presence.

1:04:19So thank you. And I asked this last question to all of my guests, which is Robin, what does live well, be well mean to you? I just say, be helpful, develop yourself and make your life as beautiful as possible as you journey through life. Beautiful. Presence, awareness, connection, joy. Exactly. And I just want to celebrate you for the podcast and all the people that you're helping and inspiring with such rich information. And you're a great interviewer. I've really, you know, like you've clearly prepared the questions and thought about everything. That means a lot. And I thank you for that. Thank you.

1:05:03Well, honestly, it's been a complete joy, I have to say. I've had my best friend staying with me and she was with me when I was researching this yesterday. And we ended up just going to such deep discussions about all the different points in your book. and it was one of the rarities that I have somebody around me when I'm researching. It's normally just me in my cave doing it and it was such an amazing book to have and share with someone that I love on all of these different health habits and richnesses of life that don't contain just wealth and money. So yeah, it was beautiful and it's definitely held deep in a friendship.

1:05:38So I also would say buy it for a best friend or someone that you love because it's a great gift. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.