In short
Whether men are attracted to, or threatened by, a confident woman; and how advertising and culture shape gender roles and relationship expectations.
Guest backgrounds
Sarah (host) has 40 years in brand building marketing/advertising and argues advertising can reinvent aspirational culture; she cites her experience creating desire and using stereotypes as shorthand.
Key claims
“Wrong kind of man” is shaped by patriarchal thinking and rigid gender roles, so he can’t handle confidence that threatens his self-image. Advertising stereotypes reinforce heteronormative partnerships (male breadwinner, nurturing homemaker). Women may stay unhappy due to “find the one” fairy-tale messaging and competitive social dynamics.
Notable examples
Ali Wong’s joke about earning more than her husband; Sarah’s own early-30s decision to stop searching for “the one”; and a real-life couple where the husband stays home while the wife’s career leads, and they’re happy for decades.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOExploring Women's Confidence
0:00 to 0:45
Discussing men's attraction to women's confidence and its complexities.
“Do you think men are attracted to women's confidence or put off by it?”
Redefining Aspirations in Relationships
0:45 to 3:08
Examining how advertising shapes societal norms around relationships.
“But originally, advertising made you want material things.”
Reframing Masculinity in Modern Society
3:08 to 4:25
Discussing the potential of representing non-traditional male roles positively.
The Myth of 'The One'
4:25 to 7:27
Challenging the belief that happiness is only found in romantic love.
The Importance of Non-Romantic Love
7:27 to 8:46
Highlighting the significance of various forms of love beyond romance.
“Do you ever have that need for like an oxytocin bond with someone?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Do you think men are attracted to women's confidence or put off by it? Because my interpretation is that sometimes they love it, but when they're in a relationship with that, then they don't. So I think we're trying to push them to be more confident, but then can men handle the women's confidence? The really important thing here is not to generalise, because the wrong kind of man can't handle it. And by the wrong kind of man, I mean the man who has been so inculcated in patriarchal thinking that he has stereotypical gender roles in his head and he cannot deal with anything that threatens his own sense of self and you know it's so ironic because so this is something we can absolutely do something about by the way so you know for the benefit of our listeners my background is 40 years working in brand building marketing and advertising which I always say is very useful experience what I do now because I've spent 40 years working in the business of getting people to do things that originally had no intention of doing very very useful skill and I've been talking to my industry advertising for literally decades about the huge opportunity that we have as an industry to reinvent aspirational culture and the reason I make that point to my industry is because we invented aspiration.
1:21We made people want things. But originally, advertising made you want material things. It made you want the right car, the right watch, the right house. Today, there is a huge opportunity to reinvent aspirational culture to make people want things that will actually make their lives way better and build stronger relationships between them and the brands who see that opportunity. And so I'll give you one example. that again I've been talking to my industry about for decades literally. Advertising deals in stereotypes and there's a very practical reason for that because stereotypes are useful creative shorthand.
1:59When you only have 30 seconds to deliver a message you know stereotypes are a shortcut but what that means is that we have perpetuated the stereotype of a relationship or a marriage as heteronormative where the man is the strong confident breadwinner and the woman is the warm caring nurturing homemaker and i've been saying for years i want us to reinvent aspirational culture around the aspiration aspirational relationship role model of today which is a partnership of equals because today whatever their gender by the way both halves of the couple work because of the economy, which requires new forms of negotiation as to who does the housework, who does the childcare, what happens when one half of the couple has a job and the other doesn't, what happens when one half of the couple earns more than the other.
2:52And there is a massive opportunity to reinvent aspiration around that to, for example, represent the men who stay home to look after the children while the woman goes out to work as being enormously aspirational as a fantastic positive masculine role model to make men want to do that as opposed to what happens currently which is both men and women look down on them and and I think there's a very powerful way in which one can do that using humor as well because um there's a wonderful comedian in in the U.S. called Ali Wong I don't know if you watched any of her stand-up comedy specials on Netflix she's amazing and so in I think it's Hard Knocked Wife there's a great line where you know she's an Asian American and her Asian mother gets very worried because you know Ali Wong is doing very well and she's now earning more than her husband and the mother says to her that you know if that if she's earning more than her husband her husband's going to leave her and Ali Wong responds the only kind of man who would leave a wife who makes more than he does is a man who does not like free money and I just think that's a brilliantly humorous way of reframing as aspirational you know absolutely look for a wife that earns more than you so so I just think there's so much opportunity to like reframe all of this in a way that obviously will make men much happier well I do but I do you think men are open to that idea no no absolutely I mean you do um yep I mean I I have a number of couples in my own life um where you know I've absolutely seen that play out you know um very old friends where you know the wife um the wife's career trajectory took her on you know a much more bread-winning path you know and so the husband absolutely focused on you know looking after their home and making life great for her cooking dinner for her every night when she came home absolutely they're very happy by the way and they've been married for like god almighty decades well I mean I find this interesting because it kind of takes me to one of the questions I think which I had which is why do so many women end up in relationships that don't make them happy because I think that's a big I think a lot of people stay in relationships one because they're scared of being alone feeling there's no one else out there that they're gonna find um especially for women at a certain age so you end up staying in relationships that can make you quite unhappy why do we why do women do that I mean I guess I don't have an explanation for myself but um again simply because you know sociocultural dynamics have made women think that you know first of all um and again this happens in the moment we're born we are told that our entire life is a search for the one everything tells us that fairy tales you know our parents yeah exactly and what that means by the way is so in your teens 20s you know every social event you go to I'm going to speak heteronormatively because I'm a straight woman will he be there that translates into bloody hours getting glammed up you know makeup outfits you go to that social event this scenario forces you to compete with other women a dynamic that I deplore and in the night you schlep home going oh he wasn't there tonight never mind maybe the one will be at the next one and honestly one of the best days of my life was the point at because I was a subject this is anybody else at some point in my early 30s I went fuck this for a game of soldiers I'm not looking for the one anymore oh my god the relief I could just go to social events and enjoy myself fan bloody tastic and so I really encourage women to get over the idea that true happiness is only to be found in finding the one in love I'm that very rare person who has no desire whatsoever to be in love okay i actively do because because i don't need it and i don't want it i'm really happy the way i am and by the way when you decide you're not interested in being in love it is enormously time and cost efficient and what i mean by that is you know i remember reading a woman's magazine and i enjoy women's magazines and I will come to an article on, you know, how to find the one or how to improve a relationship.
7:15I go, oh, I'm not interested. I don't waste time reading it. I don't buy books about how to work on your relationship or how to whatever. I don't spend money on dating apps. It's incredibly time and cost efficient to not want to be in love. Wow. Do you ever have that need for like an oxytocin bond with someone? You know, you don't. No, absolutely not. i'm enormously i'm enormously fond of my own company if you can't see it's like on the floor i need to learn this but but but here's something very important to understand sarah okay so earlier i said i cannot wait to die alone okay and and i absolutely mean that in the sense of i do not want anyone to grow old with but the fact of the matter is i am never going to die alone because i'm surrounded by i have an amazing family that i'm lucky enough to be very close I'm surrounded by, you know, the love of my sisters and their spouses and my amazing nieces and nephews and goddaughters and god sons.
8:12You know, I have amazing friends. You know, I'm surrounded by love through very, very special friends. And I have quite a few very close friends, not just, you know, one or two. I will never die alone. And I think, again, a big mistake people make in thinking about love only as romantic love. You know, every one of us is surrounded by love and has the opportunity to be surrounded by love that is not romantic love. And that love is honestly just as wonderful, just as reassuring, just as warm, just as giving, just as fulfilling. No, you do not need to be in love to be fulfilled.
From the publisher
This week's Live Well Be Well Moment with Cindy Gallop, advertising icon and entrepreneur.
We delve into whether men can handle female confidence, what real love actually looks like and why so many of us are surrounded by more love than we realise.
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