In short
Why massage/physio pain relief often fades, how fascia and “global tension” contribute, and what helps long-term (movement, reprogramming, and micro-adjustments).
Guests
A fascia/movement-focused practitioner who works with athletes (including NBA players and Olympic runners) and emphasizes reprogramming the movement system rather than relying on pain relief alone.
Key claims
Symptom release from manual therapy is temporary; symptoms return within weeks. Primary healing should be self-care plus coaching/practitioner support, not “fixing bones” (chiropractic/physio) as the main solution. Extreme fascia practices that push skin/muscles are framed as potentially harmful. Movement is the cure; walking (including backward) builds new pathways.
Notable examples
NBA athletes taught landing mechanics to jump higher; Olympic runner used peppermint on the opposite side to stimulate lung expansion; athletes reduce asymmetrical tension and use fascial maneuvers; running curves by bending into the turn to change bone reference points.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOChallenging Pain Relief Myths
0:22 to 0:55
Discussion on the misconceptions about pain relief from therapies.
Understanding Fascia and Its Impact
0:55 to 2:14
Exploration of fascia research and its relation to pain and healing.
“And it's interesting that I think many people listening to this who maybe suffer with different types of pain, whatever pain that is in their bodies, maybe haven't connected to fascia.”
The Benefits of Brisk Walking
2:14 to 3:08
Insight into how brisk walking contributes to better health.
“But there is something about we're always in this forward motion.”
Unique Approaches to Movement
3:08 to 4:50
Discussion on unconventional movements like walking backwards for health.
“They should have some sort of self-care practice and then go to a coach or practitioner for extra support.”
Performance and Injury Prevention in Athletes
4:50 to 7:19
Strategies for improving athlete performance while preventing injuries.
“I don't know enough about it, but I feel like you're doing this backwards movement, which is like landing.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01This is a Be Well Moment, the most replayed moments from my latest conversation. It's a glimpse into the wider episode, which you can find linked in the show notes below. Because sometimes one small moment is enough to reconnect to living well and being well.
0:21It's really interesting because I asked you the question, like, what's the one myth referencing back to the pre-interview and and you were saying actually and to not let someone else heal you I mean you started off by saying you know I don't believe people that like fix your bones like a chiropractor or a physio actually is that helpful because within a few weeks you're going to get the symptoms are coming back so you're helping yourself in the moment to get a release and I feel that a lot I mean when I a hard elbow goes into my left shoulder it gives me an amazing release in that moment. But it does come back, you know, the symptoms come back, the pain comes back.
0:56And it's interesting that I think many people listening to this who maybe suffer with different types of pain, whatever pain that is in their bodies, maybe haven't connected to fascia. And before this, you know, when I was looking into fascia research before we connected last year, I was looking into the fascia release and there's these like really extreme practices where people are like pushing your skin and your muscles and trying like, you know, it looks excruciating and it looks more painful. And now I'm hearing what you're saying. And I mean, this is also kind of, you know, not on the scientific ground.
1:28It's just something that I was very interested in and going, wow, okay, there's this whole thing that I hadn't looked at and people are now trying to do this emotional release. Maybe I should give it a go, but it just looks so painful. And now I'm feeling like that's just maybe going to cause more problems because you're creating more pressure in a wrong vibrational frequency which is basically what i'm hearing from today yes and movement is healing movement is the cure if we move our bodies if you walk every day go to the blue zones our dan beaton has been on here a few times we love to the blue zones they walk a lot barefoot in nature well i said to you something about walking backward before we came on the show like i mean this might sound bizarre i mean you know, I know people can't walk backward everywhere because imagine if we lived in a system and we all started doing that.
2:14But there is something about we're always in this forward motion. And we know brisk walking is so good for our health. Like we know in, I think it's, is it Sardinia? I think where they all walk, that's where they have very, a lot of hills. And that's kind of one of the areas of the blue zone where they say it's because when they're looking at this environment, they're all walking up steep hills every day. We know that I think it's 45 minutes of brisk walking um can help reduce dementia symptoms as well when we spoke to the the brain dogs not specific on that but i remember it was brisk walking no brisk walking can reduce your dementia risk by 45 got that the way around but what about walking backwards like how can that help with like i guess it's a different rotation it's not forward but it's going backwards i think there's a number of things one when you do something that you're not that you're not used to doing you're building new pathways so you have to use a lot of conscious thought in order to do it until it becomes subconscious the second thing is i'll give an example when we're working with the nba and we're helping their athletes jump higher you don't get somebody to jump higher by training jumping higher you train them how to land because if they can land safely the body feel safe enough to jump high without like extreme impact i guess yeah because if if i jump so high but i have no landing protocols i'm just going to get hurt on the way down and so we train the opposite direction to reprogram the body system there's a whole i mean we we do work on the body and i'm not saying that you know helping somebody through pain or emotions is not a good thing what What I'm saying is it shouldn't be the primary source that people go to.
3:58They should have some sort of self-care practice and then go to a coach or practitioner for extra support. But we do have a modality that is in our practice where we actually move the body at 4 cm per second through every single range of motion. So your thumb through every direction that your thumb would go through, your arm, every direction that it would go through, sideways, up back, and you move it 4 cm per second. and when you do that you're reprogramming the fascia you're reprogramming the body's computer and it reprograms your entire movement system however you don't want to build a program on top of tension because you're just it's like you're saving a program on top of a problem you have to unwind the tension first and then you reprogram it through this system or this modality So walking backwards, I feel like there's something there.
4:53I don't know enough about it, but I feel like you're doing this backwards movement, which is like landing. It's the opposite. So there must be something there. And I'm now going to try walking backwards a little bit more through the city. Maybe that's my challenge to you. You're going to swap. When NBA basketball players, I feel like I have to ask that question, come to see you. You were saying you can't teach them to jump higher without knowing how to land. How do you work with them in this scenario? Yeah, so ultimately, if you reduce global tension in the body, it will flow. So if you have a tension line on part of your body, especially with athletes, because they're usually asymmetrical.
5:36Usually they're shooting in one direction or swinging in one direction. What you want to do is you can't really make them stronger. It's hard to make them faster. They're already at the peak of the peak. So the thing that you can do, there's two aspects, is you reduce the tension in the areas that are preventing them from moving and you can reprogram the movement system. So reprogramming it is by moving it four centimeters per second through a joint. But even the simplest thing, I gave you peppermint when we started today. So we've worked with Olympic runners. And one of the runners that we were working with had a severe injury on their left side before they were running a hundred meter race.
6:14And what we did is we rubbed peppermint on the opposite side of the body. And when they breed that peppermint in, it expands the lung. And when it expands the lung, the entire part of the body gets stimulated so it can perform better. So it's these micro, micro little tricks that we've learned over time that help people perform better. Another example is your bones float, but they're also reference points. So if you see an old person walking, sometimes one of their hands will be curled and crunched. It's because they're falling and then they're crunching on one side to pull their body back up.
6:48They're creating tension on that side. So if you're running in like an oval in a race, you want to optimally bend into the curve so you can run around so you can actually utilize your fingers and you can bend your fingers in certain ways changing the reference points of the bones and you go around the curve easier so it's these micro little changes when you're working with professional athletes to help them perform better but then you're also working with the fascial maneuvers to reduce global tension and stress because that's usually where the injuries come from wow yeah so you got the performance side and then you got the injury side and the prevention side
7:28thank you for listening to this be well moment if it resonated the full conversation is linked in the show notes and i hope it gave you a small pause to take a moment for you and to reconnect to living well and being well if you loved it please do leave a review follow the show or share this maybe with someone you love
From the publisher
Are you getting short-term relief from bodywork, only for the pain to return a few weeks later? In this clip, I talk through why hands-on treatments can feel amazing in the moment but may not create lasting change if you’re relying on someone else to “fix” you, and why movement and self-care matter so much for long-term healing.This clip explores how fascia and global body tension can influence recurring pain, why aggressive fascia release can look (and feel) intense, and how a slower, more intentional approach may support the body’s own ability to reset. We also discuss walking as a powerful daily practice, why brisk walking is linked with a lower dementia risk, and the idea of walking backwards as a way to challenge the brain and build new movement pathways. Plus, there’s a fascinating look at performance work with elite athletes, including why improving a jump can start with learning how to land, and how slow joint movements (around four centimeters per second) are used to reprogram movement patterns.
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