Amy Hart Says She's Addicted to Pregnancy!

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1:47How was your two weeks? when I've never really we've never taken two weeks holiday have we like fully two weeks well off the podcast or just in no like in life no I take every Christmas yeah oh yeah but Christmas doesn't do you yeah it's always two weeks oh my god I feel like you've been away longer it feels like I've been away for ages yeah it does two weeks in Greece two weeks in Greece it was amazing we went on a Mark Warner holiday obviously I spoke about it and the first I've got to be honest with you when we arrived we were like what the fuck no Zoe messaged me I couldn't believe what we'd signed up for I'll be honest with you yeah because it was like we saw the itinerary bearing in mind you can we didn't know this at the time but you can very much dip in and out of the activities and the courses but it's if you wanted it you could be training from 7 30 in the morning until 6 30 at night every day all day and you know we're such keen on yeah I was gonna say that right eight o 'clock we've got a 35 kilometer bike ride then we're coming back for the um intro to tennis course then we've got you know hit the coach then we're onto the water for a sailing course with the kids then we're doing winter wind surfing and I was like holy shit the first week we got it wrong okay I was walking back from like five hours of intense exercise and my legs were like this and people were staring at me being people coming over me like well Joaquin what have you been doing this morning and I was like how long have you got so but the second week we realized actually just dip in and out it's a beautiful beautiful holiday like it's it's amazing because it's so full of activities and you I've never felt this fit and strong in my life it's just what we needed would you do a week next time I do a week next time right because you are all in I can I can't imagine like you laying on the sun lounger while someone else is off on a 35 kilometer bike ride no no I want to be there yeah I know the pack there's a tennis table tennis competition going just for the kids but I'm like right I'm involved kids the kids are like sit back down but it was ace it was really really ace what about you how are you I'm good yeah I mean as we're recording this actually still not back to school so I still I'm very much in the like summer holiday vibe it's the 7th of September by the way yeah it's the 7th he's actually back tomorrow but it's been a long time it's been a long time and it's been really stressful this school holiday I feel it yeah I actually feel really bad on him it's been hell for him Has it?

4:12Yeah. It has anyone listening whose kid is doing 11 plus prep. Why? Why are we doing this? This is mental. It wasn't a thing when I was at school. I didn't do 11 plus. I don't know if it was such a big, I don't even think it's such a big thing in other areas. I think it depends where you live. It is horrific. It's absolutely horrific. But why so much prep involved? Because if he doesn't get in, if he doesn't get the marks, he doesn't get into the school. Yeah, exactly. I get it. Okay. so it is important it is important and you sort of get into this mindset of like oh well we might as well give it a good shot but then you have people like oh how's how's their studying going and you're like i what i don't i don't really know what you mean by study i how's a 10 year old study well you said you have to study camp oh exactly because i don't know how to tell him how to study anyway it's been horrific for him i feel really sorry for him i'm bribing him in all sorts of ways that are really not appropriate like he's yeah it's been a lot and he's probably really looking forward to going back to school for a break he's got one more year in this school and then he starts secondary school honestly don't i can't even think about it i i i said it before to zoe before we were recording but i think it's hitting me that this is it like he's going to secondary school this time next year yeah when you say this is it but what do you mean by that Well, I just think everything changes when a kid goes to secondary school.

5:36I think things change when a child goes to primary school. I do. You have a shift, don't you? And actually, I loved that shift. This shift, I don't know. I don't know about it. I just feel, I don't know. Are the best years, have they gone? The best years haven't gone, George. Have they gone? I think they have. Oh, Georgia, I love you so much. Don't, they have, look, firstly, he's not going now, he's going next year. secondly like everyone keeps saying to us on this podcast every year brings new ups and downs highs and lows but also like beautiful parts this is not it he's not moving out i'm moving to australia for his gap year yeah he's going to secondary school you're still gonna be picking him up every day and dropping him off things will shift and change but you've still got your little boy yeah remember how much we hated it when they were with us every single day no i know i know this do you know what this is the thing and like i look at people who've got like toddlers and stuff like I was at this fair thing yesterday, like a village fair.

6:33And I bumped into someone from school who I knew a long time ago. And she had her two little ones there. And I was like, oh, my God, I don't have this anymore. I don't have this anymore. You went to a fair by yourself? No, no, no, no. Like, obviously, with my older kids. Oh, yeah. You know? Like, they had, like, tiny toddlers. And I was like, I'm not going to do this anymore. So I think what Georgia is saying is that she is going to have another baby. No, I'm really not. I thought Quincy would feel that gap and he hasn't. Oh my God, you haven't spoken about your dog Quincy. Oh, he's just an arsehole.

7:07He's an arsehole. Yeah, he's really annoying. He's what? He's really annoying. Do you hate your dog? Yeah. No, I don't. No, no, that's really... No, no, no. I don't. I don't. What do you like about him? But he's a teenager and that's what I mean. I don't like teenagers and I'm going to have a teenager. What's he doing? Seriously. He's like aggressive. He's got little man syndrome. Yeah, no, I know. He weighs three and a half kilos. He is tiny. You never talk about walks that you go on with him. You never talk about hanging out with him. What do you mean? He's just there. I don't hang out. I don't know.

7:43What is there to say? He loves me, like loves me, follows me everywhere. It's very annoying. Oh my God. You, as an only child, you would hate that. I know, but I did have a dog before in the same breed, and he wasn't as annoying. I'm hoping this is a face. I really hope that it's not. How's Murphy? Murphy's the most beautiful, amazing, incredible dog I'm obsessed with. We're all obsessed with her. She's grown up so much, about to have a second season, then we're going to get her spayed. Are you? Yeah, yeah. Maybe that's what I need to do, actually. You need to have his balls taken off, his tiny, tiny two-pound balls.

8:17I know. It's a different feeling, maybe because we've got a bigger dog. Maybe. the dog walks are really important walks in the forest we take her out on the bike she comes everywhere with us she's very much part of the family and she's not irritating she does come to the loo with me which is slightly irritating and when we go up to bed quite early she does sit at the bottom of the stairs and she's oh does she cry is she in her crate at night she doesn't sleep in her crate anymore really what time do you put him in his crate 10pm yeah yeah yeah you might want to think about that you need to make him a bit more independent yeah i don't think he's got that in him i did have a dog train i did have a dog train around and i actually haven't replied to him and i really need to um because he came around and i said like he's doing this like he barks he's doing this i mean we're all talking like small problems he's three and a half kilos like it's a very small problem yeah but he doesn't have a loud ball And he said to me, this is your fault.

9:20Is that what he said? Never replied to him. He's dead. If you're worried about that dog trainer, he's buried in George's garden now. Because James said, you know, like when you say no to him, it doesn't sound like no. And I was like, all right, James. And the dog trainer was like, yeah, it's fair. And I was like, oh, my God, you're ganging up on me. Say no. So I was going, no. No. But that's my really aggressive no. Right. What I was doing before was, no, come on, Quincy. No. And also following him around the house with a glass of water because I didn't hear he drank enough. You were chasing your dog around the house with a glass of water.

10:03Yeah. So, yeah. Right. Okay. Any dog trainers want to get in touch with the show? Let's just leave it there. Let's leave it there. Because, yeah, I've definitely messed this one up. I love that we've had a Quincy update. I was going to bring Murphy in today. Were you? Yeah, I will not bring Quincy. Next time we record, I'm going to bring Murphy in. Okay. Yeah, that would be cute. Yeah, Murphy and Quincy can get together. Not like that. I don't think it would work. How would it? Oh, let's not do that. No, it wouldn't work. Let's move on. It would be like, oh my God, like, Marce Stewart, I'm going to say that.

10:34Let's not say that. Like Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman vibes. Yeah, okay. Right, anyway, let's get into the conversation. Beautiful, beautiful conversation for you guys today. she has been around for a while as in we watched her on Love Island we loved her on Love Island she has transformed her career she's very much like heart on sleeve what you see is what you get it's a million miles an hour she's very funny I really enjoyed the conversation it felt like sitting down with an old mate yeah definitely do you know what I really love I love it when you have a guest on the podcast who you watched when they're at a completely different time in their lives and we're always like oh you know how is it now like the old you and they normally these guests remind us that if there'd been a camera when we were that age as well it would be the same and I think that's what's so great about these chats is you get to see somebody at a completely new stage in their life and also how things can work out like this guest didn't think that she was ever going to meet anybody and settle down have a baby you know went as far to look at doing it on her own.

11:39And then you kind of see the journey that she's been on and where she is now. I love things like that. It's a lovely, yeah, it's just a full circle moment. Yeah, really, really lovely. We can't wait for you to hear it. Georgia, who are we talking to today? We're chatting to Amy Hart. Today's guest is someone who has lived a lot in the last few years. And thankfully for us, she's always been brilliantly open about it also. We know today's conversation is going to be a good one. She's a TV personality, performer, presenter, wife to Sam and mum to her two gorgeous boys, Stanley. and Dexter. Amy has spoken so honestly about her fertility, pregnancy loss, becoming a mum, and recently the absolute logistical chaos of going from one child to two.

12:17She's warm, funny, refreshingly honest, and we cannot wait to get into today's conversation. Please welcome Amy Hart to the podcast. Thank you. And the last time I saw you, we were on a boat in Southampton. I know, a ship, thank you. Not a boat, just a ship. Oh, she wrote the key messages. No, yeah, I'm going on one on Sunday as well. Where are you going? Mediterranean. With P &O? Well, yes, but it's actually my first holiday. So we've worked with P &O cruises for... This isn't sponsored by P &O. No, it's not. Four years, we've worked with them. And we needed our last big September holiday before Stanley started school.

12:55Amazing. And Sam was like, it's a shame there's not a cruise we can go on. I was like, well, I don't want to work. And he's like, well, we'll just pay for it then. So if that's not the biggest endorsement ever, is that we've literally like gone from working with them to now. I'm working again later on in the year. But yeah, I'm so excited. I don't have to get off at any ports. I don't have to get up early in the morning to go and film all the pools and stuff because I take it all quite seriously when I'm on like working. So I'm just really excited. Those cruises are mad. I've never been on a cruise ship before and I just could not get my head around it.

13:26I just love it. When I get on, I'm like, and I'm home. Really? Yeah, I love it so much. I think because it is, when you go to like an apartment, for example, on holiday or a hotel, obviously you go to like different hotels, don't you? And like when you go to an apartment, you go to like different restaurants for dinner every night and every night is sort of different. It's like you get off every day and then you get back on and you're like, and the captain always is at like half five, like welcome home to Avia. And you're like home. Is there some sort of like weird kind of like who sits on the captain's table kind of like going on?

13:55They don't do captain's table anymore. No, it's all like freedom dining. So you just sit with the people you're on holiday with. You can choose a shared table. And once we were running really late and we needed breakfast, and they were like, it's going to be a shared table. We were like, okay, cool. We literally had the best breakfast. Made loads of friends. It's great. We're really sorry we'll go now because we've got an excursion, but love you all. I was featuring like Titanic vibes. No. No. No, not anymore. No one's the drama. Yeah, I want the drama. That's what she's here for. Yeah, downstairs in class three with all the fun people.

14:23Just before we get into the chat, we always ask our guests how their morning's been. And we'd already been chatting before we started recording. So we know a little bit about what's going on, but give us a little insight into your life at home. So I don't want to slag my husband off straight away. No, please do. But he's very into the gym and stuff. And like with two children, obviously you don't really get time to go. So I was like, I'm setting my alarm for 6.30 because I've got to leave the house at 7.30. So he was like, okay, I will set my alarm for 5.30 and go to the gym before you go. Because I live down in Worthing, like near Brighton.

14:54So I drive halfway and then get the train. so I was like right okay cool perfect so I obviously set my life half six and snoozed it to like 6.40 and then snoozed it to 6.50 and then I was here on time it was fine and I then the baby woke up Dexter woke up at like 6.52 so I'm like doing my makeup with him on my lap and I'm texting Sam like you cannot come home at 7.27 because he's done that before but he's like if you're leaving at half seven he needs to be home at like 7.28 or something no I'm like no because Dexter's gonna need a bottle I need to like be able to that's why I've literally got my hair in a ponytail with some little curls at the front because I couldn't curl my whole hair because obviously when Dexter's on my lap I can't be using like the hair top I believe it's called the juggle he's growing everything but I can do my makeup so I just give him an empty makeup brush and he likes that bit of sensory yeah second children don't really get much sensory do they it's a bit of sensory um so yeah and then I managed to get out the house for like 7 40.

15:54It's good going I'd say. Do you know what I was thinking about that on the train on the way here I was like everything I've done before I started work this morning. I've ordered tap shoes I've ordered ballet shoes I've made pat lunches for the week I've ironed uniform I never iron by the way but they were so bad I had to do it. I'd made breakfast for everybody I walked 12 ,000 steps. Wow. Already? Yeah. Oh now you're fucking showing me. Yeah. I was like this is unbelievable I mean I don't normally do the 12 ,000 hours because of train issues so we won't give but let me have it yeah you have it I've done so much oh I've done a food shop that has arrived at my house now she's such a high achiever oh my god well no but you've said I have what she send us though this morning well there we go I made my notes for my TikTok recap so I did do something else well that's fine you've had to juggle a baby doing your makeup getting ready do you know what that is a lot I have to put something on my phone when I'm doing my makeup because if not, I'm like, bit of foundation, quick scroll through Instagram.

16:55I know. Bit of eyebrows, quick scroll through TikTok. So it takes me like half an hour to get ready in the morning. EastEnders is half an hour. So Monday to Thursday, very productive. Fridays, it's gone. It's gone. I had to put my phone down this morning because I only had a short period, like my husband goes to the gym as well before I get up. And I was like, just scroll. And I knew I only had 45 minutes and I had to go, what are you doing? I know. I know. I thought one of those brick things. I need to get one of those. I've yet to use it, but I've bought it. I've done the first step. I'm going to do that.

17:24You need to let me know. Amy, let's talk about you as a mum, because you obviously, you know, I guess we sort of grew up watching you on Love Island. That's when we first saw you. Did you always want to be a mum? Was that kind of the goal, not necessarily before you went into Love Island, but when you'd come out and you'd met somebody, was the mum theme a big one for you? Yeah, like my whole life. I always wanted to be a mum, always wanted loads of kids. I reckon we're probably halfway there. I would say. My husband would say two thirds. I'd say half. Because I'm literally addicted to being pregnant.

17:54I literally love it so much. But I, yeah, I've always wanted to be a mum. And that was where all like the egg freezing stuff came from. In that my mum said like, I'd rather you had a baby on your own than missed out on having kids. Wow. She said, I'd support you with that and stuff. So, and then I met Sam. So, I didn't need to do that. It's so funny. Because my best friend, all the years that I was planning to do solo IVF, um we'd always said like when I had a baby my mum and my best friend would be there and I met Sam and I was like oh so I'm not your birthing partner anymore clearly not sorry oh okay whatever for those listening yeah no talk to us about you know sort of contemplating doing it alone was it something you were definitely in like going to do if it didn't you know happen in other ways yeah I mean I have always been quite like a gung-ho person I'm just like do it now and we'll deal with the issues later we'll deal with the hard stuff later like I think everything that you know people when people I said people like oh just apply for Love Island and they're like oh I'm not sure I'd want like the change in my life like and I think a lot of my friends when I came out of Love Island obviously it's such a whirlwind and my obviously coming out of Love Island was crazy and had a couple of single friends at the time and I was going I know the producers now like why don't you should apply like I can put in a good word for you and they were like no no I'm okay I'm okay and I'm like I just go on the app I'm like why would you not want to go on love island like it's amazing and they're like because you are crazy um I don't want that and but I didn't really think about it before I was just like I've watched this tv show I saw lots of couples get together that wouldn't have met anywhere else and I want that I want to meet someone I've exhausted all options around the world I'm actually flying around the world and still haven't met anybody I feel like to meet someone that's my level of crazy um I need to go on love island so I didn't really think about so then again with like having a baby on my own I've got friends who I say to them like they're single and I'm like why don't you have a baby on your own and they're like I don't think I could do the commitment myself I don't think I could do it on my own I'm like what you'd rather not have a baby than do whatever on your own and they're like yeah and I'm like oh maybe I was a little bit like too like yeah okay we'll just do it it's fine but how wonderful that you had that your mum had that conversation with you because lots of people get to a point where they haven't met anybody and they haven't frozen their eggs you know you did it in your 20s is that right yeah late 20s yeah so you had them all there on ice waiting you would have done it that's a that's an incredible thing yeah it's something I think about a lot like having your daughter you know we hear I mean I've got so many friends who've had fertility issues like later on in life and I think that is something I will say to her you know when she's early 20s I'll just be like take it off the table take the worry off the table and just have it there if you I mean it's a gift lots of people give gifted to their daughters for like their 21st birthday we've I've already had that conversation with Luna because we with early menopause runs in our family and my sister was left completely infertile couldn't have kids so Luna knows the sort of struggles that we all went through to try and conceive and she said well that'd be something that I've got to do mommy and I was like not got to maybe you'll want to do it we've already had those conversations and it's there's a beauty in that honesty yeah I think like all my mum and my auntie Jane and my nan all would sort of finish the menopause by like 42 right yeah which was fine for them because they all finished having kids but I think mum and my nan were 25 for the time they finished having kids and my auntie was like 26 27 I think and you know I think if I have a baby next year my granny my dad's mum she had her last child at 34 and 10 months so that so if I have a baby after May next year I'll be the oldest person in my immediate family like all my aunties that have married in my my mom's sister my mom my nan my um my granny probably my great-grandparents apart from my nan's mom because she had 10 kids and my nan was the only one born after the war this is a massive age gap yeah um so yeah she was 47 I think which was unheard of of course yeah in like the 1940s um but apart from her like everybody else is finished by the time they're in their like 20s or their 30s um just my granny again was a bit of a strange one having a baby that late yeah sure um so yeah like they didn't didn't matter for them they went through the menopause by the time 42 because but then up with us all having kids later it's obviously something to think about so was that was that why you did it was that why your mum had the conversation did she have the awareness around the fact that she had gone through the menopause early because finishing the menopause by 42 that isn't early menopause yeah I think more it was that she's got a lot of friends who were really career-minded and then didn't meet anybody and then haven't had children um and my mum sort of says like oh yeah they would and I think this is also like no like discredit to my mum I think if you are someone that is inclined to have children you just I think as well my mum's generation I think we're a lot more aware of it now like there's some people that just don't want children it's not in their plan yeah but I think my mom is very like you know oh my god they would have been such a lovely mom oh it's so sad um and you're like mom they might not have wanted to like but her thing was like I just I would because I think because she knew that I always wanted children she didn't want that to be me yeah and obviously I was very like flying around the world and like very doing my own thing and very habitually single so she was a bit like I wouldn't want you to miss out and I always said 35 and then when my first round of egg freezing was abandoned the day before my collection then I was like maybe I should do it once I've done my eggs like I'll just do it straight away and then luckily I didn't because I met Sam.

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25:50Welcome back to this episode of Made by Mamas. Now, where were we tell us about how you met sam so i had just done all my egg freezing like press around the egg freezing so i'd done it in the january and then sort of around like the march time march april time i did all the press for it like through loose women and stuff and i was in london and i was producing like a play at the time as well so we were all sitting in london because it was like a filmed play because of covid so we were all in london and um we've been talking about relationships and stuff and then i got really drunk and i was like I'm never going to meet someone.

26:23I don't put myself out there. So I downloaded Bumble. Well, you've been on Love Island though at this point. I know. And still didn't meet anybody. I just need to put myself out there. More. So I downloaded Bumble and made a profile. And on it, I, because I think it connects to your Facebook. I think on Facebook it still said like Sky Waitress at on a plane. Because you couldn't reveal who you worked for on social media. You go, now, like it's so weird. When I was flying, like the social media rules were so strict. But it was like, you can't put who you work for on your Facebook. No photos in uniform.

26:56Why is that? Now people are like, on YouTube, my roster reveal for the month. They've got like hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Like, I could have done that. I love watching those videos. I could have been the OG. Yeah. And they're like, come with me on my flight. And you see them serving. You're like, what? I could have been the OG of that, can I just say, if we were allowed. But we weren't. So it connected to my Facebook. So it said, it was like a picture of me. And it said, like, Sky Waitress out on a plane. I did a bit of swiping. closed it down and never reopened it I started getting messages on Instagram being like hi Amy just to let you know someone's pretending to be you on Bumble and I was like oh that's really bad thanks for letting me know little did they know it was actually me but I never opened it again and then Sam had seen me and obviously it said I was working on a plane and he used to fly a lot for work because he used to be, remember the shirtless greeters at Abercrombie very 2012 Yes, that's why I went there.

27:51Yeah. Sam was one of them. And he was like one of the OGs. He used to flow all over the world, like going to Singapore and places like that to do it. Wow, that's so cool. Yeah. And like all him and his mates now, you can tell like our wedding, everyone was like Abercrombie, Abercrombie, Abercrombie, Abercrombie. It's like a shit wedding to be at. None of them do it anymore. It's funny because Sam's obviously not in this industry, but it feels like he is because everywhere we go, like I'll meet girls who are influencers now or on telly. Lydia Millen. yeah ashley james both worked at abercrombie with sam and watching stuff on netflix and sam's like i used to work at abercrombie with him um because like a lot of the guys are actors now and stuff so it's funny so um he flew a lot of the time so he uh or he had flown and it said obviously air hostess and he's like i really recognized that girl um i wonder if she's been on my flight and then he said like they're like the cut of my jib on my uh on my profile so he like waited a bit and then I didn't reply.

28:49So he typed in Amy into Instagram and scrolled through and found me and was like, oh, that's how I know who she is. Oh, it's one of those moments where you're like, do you know my brother? Yeah. No, no, actually I'm the one off love island. When you're crew, you do it all the time because people get on and you think they're crew. I did it to Kate Lawler. I was like, you're right. And then she's like, I'm not crew, cool. And my best friend Luke did it to Dua Lipa's husband the other day, asked him what his roster was like. Calum somebody. He thought he was a pilot. and someone was like that's Callum the actor and he was like oh my god he went up to me and was like I'm really sorry I thought you were a pilot oh my god and he was like I wonder why you asked what my roster was like I did it to June Sergeant June Ackroyd from The Bill yeah I thought she was my mum's best mate I was like Sue and she was like I'm not Sue and I was like yeah Sue you're friends with Carol my mum and she was like I'm not I'm Sergeant June from The Bill was that the one that was Irene in EastEnders as well I don't think so I mean I never do it to famous people I literally do it to like someone who works in Costa.

29:48And then I see them like not in Costa. And I'm like, oh, and then they're looking at me like, I have no idea who I'm playing. So yeah, so he, again, was sort of in the same position, single, and was like, I don't put myself out there. So he sent me a message saying, hi, me, I'm waiting patiently on Bumble for you to swipe me back. I'd really like to delete the app so if you could like hurry up and go and do it. So I thought it was quite funny. I clicked on his profile and it was a private profile And I was like, who has a private profile? That's so strange. It's so weird. I mean, now everyone's got a private profile, which makes being a Facebook, Instagram detective very difficult.

30:25Yes. Because back in the day when nobody knew about privacy laws and their Facebooks were literally open, I could get all the information for anyone that needed it. You had a private Facebook profile. No, no, I'm saying like back in the day before anyone knew about like how to use the privacy settings, my friends would be like, could you find this out for me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But can you have a private Facebook profile? Yeah. I didn't even know that. Yeah, everyone's like, everyone's locked down now on Instagram and Facebook it's really hard to do any detective work so thanks a lot everyone um but yeah so I clicked on his profile and it's private and I was like oh that's a bit weird so I googled him and always Abercrombie pictures came up so I was like oh okay yeah cool I'll send him a message if I have to and then yeah we just got really well and he was very intentional I think when you're in your 30s you do have to date intentionally oh you don't have to but I think it's especially if you want kids and stuff you have to date intentionally um and he was very like we chatted a bit like over messenger we moved on to whatsapp and then he was like i think we should do a call this week to make sure we can actually talk to each other and then on the phone he was like maybe we should do a facetime this week and then on the facetime he was like i think we should plan a date because you know these things fizzle out if you just keep messaging great um so he was very intentional but then he was like that at the beginning and then i met him and after two dates i was like yeah i'm gonna marry this man my friends were like you've met him twice and I was like I just know I just know but then because for him there was a lot more at stake in that he had to move down to Worthing because I made it very clear at the very beginning I'm not moving like where did he live Hertfordshire okay he's quite a spa so uh he I was like if you are not up for the moving then let's just stop chatting now so he knew like as well for him I think it's hard for guys I think women can make friends a lot easier he plays darts twice a week and he goes to the gym and he will chat to people at the gym and stuff but he works remotely he works from home yeah um so some days he's like i just need to get go to starbucks to get out the house um because i can't be in here anymore because like he works and then goes straight into looking after the kids especially when i was doing love island i'd leave the house at 7pm and he's like a founder ceo so he could work on the laptop for 20 hours a day and still find things to do so he would just work up until I left and then take over with Stanley so um it was quite a lot for him and he was like you know if we have kids and it doesn't go well I'm then stuck in a town that I don't know but he loves it now so and hopefully we won't split up so you know yeah then he was like a bit not taken aback but he was a bit like we need to we're not going straight into relationship we need to check that you know because he's like I feel like the next person in a relationship with this person I'm going to marry so he was very you know like hey let's hold back a bit and take him six months to tell me you love me oh my god it's so annoying when they do that it does do the same thing to me I said it at like three months and he made me wait another six weeks after that just to punish me for making him wait six months for a date yeah well I was I'm not saying it first when we went up to London um on for my birthday we were on the train we were chatting and he said something about like oh yeah once we've been together like six months we can think about like going official and i was like you what are you joking and then um basically at my birthday party the following week my friends were like when are you gonna go boyfriend and girlfriend and he was like i mean you know and one of the men what's the difference like you can still it's not legally binding you can still break up and he was like not that he wants to break up but i think he was just worried it was a big move and also because i'd never had a boyfriend before i think he was you'd never have a boyfriend not not unofficially titled i've been seeing people yeah gone like official title oh right yeah got halfway on love island yeah i was gonna say yeah nearly yeah half boyfriend um so i think for him as well he he knew it was a big thing um and i think we'd even like gone public with our relationship yet either and i think that for him as well was a bit of like a um we were walking once we could sort of start getting papped outside of theater and i like literally like shoved him out the way because i didn't want to jinx anything I think then he was a bit like oh oh what's my place yeah yeah um so I think that was hard for him but then in the end he just said the day after my birthday party he was like do you want to be my girlfriend and I was like yeah okay yeah do you know what though I think it's it's really interesting when you talk about dating intentionally and that is what it is it's like there's so much pressure on that relationship and there would have been for you I'm sure as well that to get it right but it sounds like that was the right thing to do yeah yeah I mean we're like he we did things in a bit of a weird order obviously we got pregnant like I think it's like a year and two months after we've met like after our first date we had our second anniversary with like a six-week-old baby um and so we did things we'd all like we booked our wedding before we got engaged because we were pregnant we knew we wanted to get married we knew we wanted this particular venue so we booked it his thing was he really wanted to surprise me for our engagement and um because I find out everything and I plan everything I'm like a magic maker so he knew it's been really hard so again not an advert for P &O cruises but they're so intertwined in our life they're so intertwined in our life that um I was doing a podcast for them at the time so my boss at P &O said to me um we need to do a photo shoot on the ship for all like the visuals for the podcast okay so I had like my hair and makeup team I had a stylist um they made me I mean they sort of punished me a bit made me do lots of like autocue stuff and then right at the end of the day they were like do you want to uh come down to the theater and watch the rehearsals and I love musical theater so I was like yeah okay amazing and they were like right okay clear this they were like rehearsing the director was like okay stop clear the stage we'll start again so I like got on my phone scrolling obviously um and then I heard like mine and Sam's song and I I was like, oh, this is mine and Sam's.

36:12So that's cool that it's in the show. And then I looked up and he was on stage. And so then we did the proposal. And then because I'm like a workaholic, I went down. And he was like, we're going to a place called Limewood tonight. Oh, Limewood's amazing. Yeah, we're going there. I was like, let me just go and check there's nothing else I've got to do. So I went up to my agent and my boss. I went up to them and I was like, am I done now? And they're like, this wasn't a real photo shoot. None of this was real. This was literally all a vehicle for the proposal. so yeah what if they'd said you're not done actually you've got a few more bits to do then I would have done it you would have made yeah yeah because I'm a workaholic especially with brands I love working with so I'm like so I was like obviously I want to do my best we did actually use some of the photos for the assets which was good but all the fake all the fake auto queue they made me read over and over and over again that's so good before you guys had your baby your first baby did you have the conversation around what sort of parents you wanted to be yeah I think we always sort of knew we were like on the same sort of wavelength with parenting we are quite different in that there's certain things that I let go and there's certain things that Sam is really hot on like what um yeah like what like I am very like I always want Sani to look presentable so like my she says coming to work in a jumper jeans and trainers One of my bugbears of life is like the dumbing down of dress code in life.

37:40Okay. Like my granddad wears a college. He's a scrap metal haulage guy. He wears a college shirt and nice trousers to work every single day. I love that. Right. To fly on an airplane. I've never seen my granddad in a t-shirt. He's 80 years old. I've never seen him in a t-shirt. Wow. On holiday, he'll wear a college shirt down to the pool. Wow. Like what a guy. He has like one pair of old trainers that he'll wear like if he's just popping down to the garage at the end of the garden. But again, wears like nice shoes to work every day. He's like Joan Collins, but the male. Literally. He is the male Joan Collins.

38:12My nan, like when I go out for lunch with no makeup on, I think my granny would never have done this. No. And so therefore, I want my boys to like when they get an invitation when they're older and it says like dress code black tie. I want them to be like okay and I'm very lucky that Sam is like that like Sam would wear a tux every night on holiday if he could like because and that's what I love about him and that's what you can do on a cruise you can dress up literally well not if you're in Southampton just going for lunch I got the dress code completely wrong do you remember how dressed up I was that day I love that I wore a dress in heels that day you and I were the only ones that were everyone was looking at me going some guy was in a t-shirt we went to Downing Street I haven't got my phone here but we went to Downing Street different right so we went to Downing Street for a family garden party welcome back to this episode of Made by Mothers now where were we the dress that I wore for Dexter's christening last weekend Sam is wearing the suit that he wore for our legal wedding like with a tie yeah I've put Stanley in a shirt with a jumper like a ribbed jumper on over the top nice trousers nice shoes he's like my feet hurt I'm like sorry darling we're going to Downing Street like Dexter the baby is in a he was like eight weeks old at the time a college polo right I'm like we're going to Downing Street I'm explaining the gravity of the situation to Stanley in the car I'm like everything we do in life is governed by the government we are going to the main place right I'm explaining to him about disability benefits about work and pensions we explained to him about to the baby to Stanley age three yeah and he says remember that's so sad that some people are too poorly they can't go to work I'm like I know darling um so explaining all of this to him we get there and some people each their own we're in like short shorts and flip flops right and I was like not to Downing Street to Downing Street and this is the thing I'm like and sometimes Sam will put on something that's slightly more casual and I'm like darling the thing I love about most about you is that you love to get dressed up please don't wear that like can you just wear something a bit more formal so my goal in life so I'm very like everything must be steamed i don't steam my own clothes i steam stand these like little polo shirts to go to like football um to go to like a kid's party i like everything to be just yeah and i like him to look smart all the time um sam's like less fun about that but sam is like his hair must be like styled at all times sam's very about that and sam's like um always googling like the best supplements for kids like what vitamins kids need and stuff whereas i'm a bit like he'll eat when he's hungry I'm very laid back and stuff like that um so some so so one of you will take on different roles in terms of who's more kind of not highly strung but like got your sort of standards on things and the other yeah that's that's kind of a perfect fit then isn't it because you're the ying to the yang and also Sam is a real worrier I think the main thing is Sam's a real worrier and I am like don't worry it's all immunity building as I'm picking up the dummy off the floor for the 8th time of day.

41:13Yeah, just wiping it like that. Giving it a suck. And then I'm thinking, oh, what have I just eaten sesame? I hope he's not allergic to sesame. We'll soon find out. Like, literally, I'm so laid back. I'm able to be so laid back because Sam is such a worrier. We've got that Owlet sock thing. So I'm like, I can sleep easy now because we've got the Owlet sock. Whereas Sam wakes up in the night to check the Owlet sock. And I'm like, Sam, the whole point is that if there's a problem, the alarm will go off and it will wake us up. Weirdly, I hear that. Because Dawes sometimes wakes up in the night and he can't, when the babies were younger, younger, he used to think that they were in the bed with us.

41:46Has yours ever done this? Yeah, I do that. I can't find them. I can't find them. I'm like, yeah, that's because they're five and six and they're asleep in the sleep. They're not babies anymore and they're definitely whenever, you know, like, I think they worry on that. Sam needs to do that. Where's Sam? And I'm like, he's literally in his cot. Yeah. Worst thing, I'm a really heavy sleeper. Unless, I think my brain knows, if Sam's away, then I'll wake up as soon as I do. but sometimes I wake up and I'm like last night was a great night wasn't it so I was like are you joking Dex was up three times and I'm like was he?

42:15yeah that's so nice and I'm like you can't have a go at me if you didn't try and wake me up yeah I'm like just wake me up it's fine it's exactly the same reality in my house they'd be like oh poor Kit you know with his ear ray came in four times and I'm like see I do that on purpose I do that on purpose as soon as we moved house I always used to be this side closest to the door no, never be the side closest to the door you need to be the side of the bed furthest away from the door because now I'm not the one that anyone comes to get I put the prep machine on Sam's side of the bed oh yeah, perfect he has to make the bottles but then I like now, I feel bad we used to always do shifts with Stanley and then Stanley slept through the night from 7 weeks and then Dexter was about 4 months but like at 6 weeks I was like don't worry Sam, next week we're going to be fine and then 7 weeks came and Dexter still did not he only woke up once but I felt bad because Sam would make the bottle and feed him so I'd just like stay awake in solidarity and I'm thinking why are we both awake this is so weird yeah it is scrolling through my phone that would like really wake me up so then Sam would go back to sleep and then I'd be awake for like two hours afterwards because my eyes from all the blue light and Sam would be like you know when I'm feeding Dexter and you're just scrolling through your phone I'm like what do you want me to I'm just staying awake in solidarity so you don't think that I'm going back to sleep like he's like you're just addicted to your phone have you got more of a balance with that now As in, you don't have to be awake.

43:37He doesn't wake up now, so I'm quite lucky. He's got himself, I've always let my kids get themselves into their own routines. I've never forced a routine on any of them. Like someone said the other day, like, what's Dexter's napping routine? I'm like, hasn't got one. I was like, I'm not going to force one. He'll work it out when he does. But so Dexter now wants to go to bed about half past seven, which Danny never did. He was like a half eight, half nine kind of guy. He still is now. Half seven and then wakes up between six and seven for a bottle. Great. That is great. that's why you want four kids yeah we'll be right back after this short break

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46:08Welcome back to this episode of Made by Mamas. Now, where were we? Is that something you've always wanted, like a big family? Big family. But the thing is, so I've always been like, I want a big family, I want a busy house, I want a bustling house. And then we sort of realized, like, we're never really at home. and we like on holiday which is very set up for two adults two children so it is a bit like oh what do we do now I don't know but I would definitely like at least one more because like you a lot of holidays now you can do as a family of five all in one room um I think you know as well I think you know you have that feeling when you're not done yeah and you know but then I'll never be done I honestly think I'll never be done right because I just like when I see those reels that are like um last baby no more ultrasounds no more midwife appointments no more like first morning like no more birth no more like contractions and stuff like i literally like i'm crying and then once i start crying then i scroll through i swear my algorithm can hear me crying and serve me things like kids in front of a disney castle when they're toddlers and the camera goes and they're teenagers so i'm crying again then it's ones of like people interviewing people like what's one thing you wish you'd done it's like oh my mum always wanted to go on a road trip and never took her and then she died and then I'm crying again and Sam comes upstairs he's like oh my god what's happened I'm like just Instagram so do you think do you think do you love the pregnancy part or do you think you just don't want there ever to not be a tiny baby in your house I love all of it I just think I'm it's weird I feel like I know this is such a teeny tiny season of my life yeah yeah of like having young kids and everyone i speak to like one mom and dad's friends when they they all had their kids early 20s they had like no money they all lived in tiny tiny houses um and they've all now like my mom and dad and all their friends have all like built businesses and like you know they're doing amazingly now and they all like live in beautiful houses and gone beautiful holidays and stuff but they all say the best time of our life was having young kids do you know what i've been thinking about this so much recently yeah like i think so my eldest he will go to secondary school this time next year and it is hitting me like a ton of bricks because I'm like I feel like I've wasted it all oh my god Georgia you know I don't know I know I haven't I know I haven't I see I know the logical part of my brain knows I haven't but I am now like oh my god this is it this is this is done now yeah that he's gonna go to say I mean my youngest is seven so I feel like I've got a bit of time with her but I do genuinely I'm starting to be like, oh my God, I never went to Lapland.

48:42Oh God, it's so weird. So then I feel like that about Stanley going to school next year because he starts primary school next year. He's in preschool now, but obviously preschool, we can take him out whenever we want. If we decide we want to go to Portland's Park or whatever, we can just take him out and it's fine. It's not a big deal. But it's really hard. I, the other day, was saying to Sam, I don't feel like I've spent enough time with Stanley. And he's like, that child has been on more holidays in three years than I went on before I met you um like he says you know we've had yes we go to work and yes like you know we he's like with your mum and stuff um but he's actually we do spend a lot of time with him and he's like I know we think we don't but we really really do and also that quality time we get when we go on holiday oh it's the best I know but then on the other hand then like the next breath I'm like so here is my vision board the rest of the year yeah i want to appear on this funny podcast i want to do this i want to do this funny jobs and i want to do this and he's like you can't have it both ways well i was about to say the two can exist together yeah so it's an interesting point that because i think that firstly you know this whole like oh you've only got 18 summers with them and these instagram like try telling that to my mom and dad that's there they want me to go away just to make us feel bad or guilty also when you're this is this is the dichotomy with parenting that when you're in the middle of it and it's the hardest part as some people will say the baby stages the toddler say whoever is your hardest part you you you're just trying to get through that stage when you're out the other side of it you're looking back at it and going oh god I haven't spent any it's hard you're with them all day every day yeah and do you know what we need to keep reminding ourselves of how much time we have spent with our kids and how much we give them because otherwise we're going to spend the next however long of our life just feeling guilty that we weren't with them enough time and it's things like like Saturdays yeah yeah our Saturdays are crazy so I've just started running again I've just started my learn to run again so we did it last year it's like basically it's couched 5k but you do it in a group with trainers and you meet other people and you chat or you run and stuff it's nice did it last year then because I had two miscarriages I then got out of the habit of running because of the love island podcast because it was so hot in the summer so only time I could run was at midday and obviously running 5k at midday, my heart rate was like 224.

51:01Sam was like, you were literally going to die. Oh, God. So then I got pregnant. My mum was like, do you need to put your body through that strain? Like, you don't even really like running. I was like, this is true. So you run marathons, don't you Zoe? No, but I do love running. I smiled through that, but I was like, she doesn't like running? I like running, doing the running action at a walking pace. Yeah, I don't run fast. I remember someone, a boy, a boy says to me, what's your pace? And I said, and he's like why do you even bother and I was like shut up so I started my running course and I go meet Sam we do Sani's football session then we like get in the car and zoom up to swimming then we have Sani's swimming lesson half an hour and Dexter's swimming lesson then we come home we do something with the boys and everyone's like oh my god that's so busy like I'm like but hey what else will we be doing yeah like it keeps us busy all Saturday we've got two children we're not going to be lying in till midday and then going out for bottomless brunch do you know I mean like it is going to be child-centered so at least we're doing like activities and stuff and I was like I said Sam like sooner than you think on Saturdays we're going to wake up and be like what do you want to say dinner what do you want to do because we're going to have no kids in the house that is so true so I'm like actually do you know our weekends are all child-centered and now I text Sandy to Sunday school on a Sunday um because it's just like the values and stuff like the whole Sunday school at church oh nice yeah um so like I've heard of that about like like you didn't go to Sunday school I did I did I was like Salvation Army crazy I won't go into all of that now that's a whole other podcast but it's just like all like the values and stuff that they do about like kindness and stuff um so that's really cute so like that's like a little Sunday morning activity for me and Stanley and yeah like our lives I think you either apparently you're either parent-centered or like adult-centered child-centered or family-centered and I would say that we're family-centered in that our life doesn't revolve around our children our children have fit into our lives but also we're not like well I want to go out every Friday and every Saturday so you'll be at babysitter then and that when we go on holidays we there it's we make sure there's something for all of us yeah it sounds like to me yeah George that you've got the balance right and I and I want to sort of because we're running out of time, we'll move on to the identity piece with you.

53:16I talk too much, sorry. That's handy for a podcast. The identity piece, you've spoken about it in the press, saying that you struggled with a feeling of a loss of identity or a lack of identity, or a change of identity. Just talk to us about how you feel now. Your youngest is six months old. How has that identity piece fallen back into place for you? So I just think it's very different. When I had my first, I was like, I didn't even lose who I am, because, you know, I go to work in London, and I'm Amy Hart, and then I'm at home, I'm Sandy's mum, and I have that balance, and they're very separate.

53:42and then fast forward to having a second and you have your child care set up for your first but then your second doesn't really fit into that um so last week I took Dexter to work with me two days um which is like was crazy and like just like you know that like decompression time you have on the train and stuff yeah I got him with me I loved having that on Friday my mum had him I really missed him actually it was really weird like coming out of the podcast and then like him not being there um because I felt like there wasn't as um as like clean cut separation of work me and home me um which I found quite difficult and I was at home a lot more I think when I did I had Stanley I went straight back into doing the Love Island podcast so I was out the house six nights a week um so a lot of my work was from home when I had Dexter and my husband works from home so he's we are downstairs is all open plan so he's down there so I was up in my bedroom with him and uh he said I remember Sam said to me one day like oh what are you doing today and I was like I'm gonna do editing from bed basically um I've got loads of stuff I need to edit and he's like oh didn't you do that yesterday and I was like yeah and I didn't finish it all and then he went downstairs and then I was like I never see anyone I never do anything I never leave this room and was that poor Dexter yeah I just cried and sang upstairs I was crying he's like okay I was like I just feel like I never speak to anyone and no one cares about me and no one asks how I am.

55:05And then I messaged one of my friends and I was like, I had a bit of a meltdown today. So the reason nobody asked is because it looks like you've put all your shit together, basically. She was like, that's why. She said, and she said, I'm guilty of it. She said, but because you look like you've got it all going on. It's like, we don't need to ask. Yeah. And is that the danger of Instagram or social media where we only present the good bits and no one really talks about or are we not checking in on our friends enough? I do genuinely think with the friendship thing, because of Instagram, you don't check in on your friends as much.

55:36Like, I'm definitely guilty of it. Like, say for instance, I've got a mate. She posts absolutely everything she's doing. Everything at all times. I don't need to ask her. You don't. I don't need to ask her. I know where she's been for breakfast. I know when she's been to the gym. I know what she's done with the kids. But before Instagram, that would have been a conversation. It's weird. like it's I don't I wonder if it has like I feel terrible because my best friend had her first baby like um six weeks after Dexter was born four four or five weeks after Dexter was born and I don't feel like I've been there for her and I feel really terrible about it and whenever I say to anybody like I feel so bad they're like but you've also just had a baby as well and you have to work like if you were off on a year's maternity then maybe like you could like beat yourself a bit more but they're like you also just had a baby you also have to work you've also got another child as well and you're trying to keep a house running like people understand and I'm like but does she understand yeah she does have you said that yeah I just feel like I just haven't like shown up for her and um like we we sort of said like okay we'll do like a weekly like booked in the diary and then it's like and then work comes in I'm like I'm really sorry I'll cancel that one I'll cancel that one I'll cancel that one but it's like at the same time like I have to work and I don't have that like that like year and I know people will say like my tentative leave's not a break and I know it's not a break but it's like I don't have that that year of like not working it's like as soon as sort of Dexter's out I'm like right cool yeah it's interesting isn't it because you were talking about taking your babies to work and all of this and I think that whole thing has been really glamorized like women being able to you know have careers where they're at home and have careers where they can still pick the kids up from school but no one actually talks about the stress and the load that comes with that because yes it's great like I think about back to when I had my first I was working in a corporate job I was in the office like four days a week I think um and actually I was less stressed then yeah like genuinely because I would drop Axelot Nursery I probably felt guilty for a bit but not that long I was on the train listened to a podcast all the way went into the office left my work out the door came home and was mum and in those in that period I probably was thinking do you know what I would love to be able to have a job where I just work for myself I don't have to like answer to anyone I don't have to be anywhere when I don't want to be anywhere all of that I glamorize that whole thing in my mind and then the reality of doing that is so difficult and I just don't think people I don't know maybe people feel bad about saying that when they've got a job like you know you can do around your kids and I say I'm so fortunate to have this job and to do this and to have the flexibility and to have that time like you know I've got a week's work in October I'm taking Sam Stanley and Dexter with me so we'll have that time together but I'm also working um so you know I'm really lucky in that sense but at the same time it is like I my sort of background is cabin crew where people were either again very clean cut they were either a mum or they were at work yeah and that's sort of like what I've seen of people being mums all through from when I was 18 to when I was 26 and then beyond with my friends who I stayed in touch with after um after Love Island but yeah it's quite when you know normally as well like I might have like a little snooze on the train and stuff when I've got Dexter with me.

59:16Yeah. I'm like staying awake and stuff. And then I get home and then he's still with me. But then also Stanley's there as well. And it's like, again, I haven't done any editing. Editing, I should probably just get an editor. I have an editor for my YouTube. But then I'm like, oh, but by the time I've told her exactly what to do for my real life. So just get all my stuff. But it's like I didn't get any work done on the train last week at all. Because I had Dexter with me all the time, which is fine. But it's like it's those like little bits of time that you miss. It's like the other day I had to pay a babysitter to go get my nails done.

59:46Because they were hanging off. They're looking great though. Thank you. They were like hanging off. And I, and people say, well, you don't have nails. And I'm like, but again, I'm in a public facing role. But even if you're not, if it's something you want. I have to use my hands for jobs. Do you know what I mean? I feel like we used to do that. Did we not use Bubble for that? Bubble. We used to go get a blow drive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We used to get a babysitter to just rock up to the door and be like, hi, what's your name? Yeah, Emily. Yeah, brilliant. Okay, great. Just be back in an hour. yeah why not yeah i have i'm very lucky when stanley's key worker from nursery left she was like i'm really gonna miss stanley please can i give you my number so then she started doing a bit of babysitting love island she did a lot of evenings and then she blessed you know what people say the young generation are works right this girl she was like 20 and she's like you know what i don't want to work in a nursery anymore because people are paying so much money um to send their kids to nursery and then like obviously nursery workers don't get paid that much and um So she was like, I'm going to go out on my own and I'm going to do like freelance nannying for loads of different families.

1:00:48And she now looks after 20 kids across the week. Like she's earning an amazing amount. And she's such a hard worker. So I try and like the other day, I saw someone advertising Christmas wrapping. And I was like, you should offer to wrap all the families you work for as Christmas presents and get paid for it. And she's like, amazing idea. Like she is amazing. So I'm so lucky. I'm so lucky to have her. and she loves my kids like they're her own and she's amazing. So I'm so fortunate that I have that and I really trust her. Yeah, you don't need to call up the... It is a better service that I've given it credit for.

1:01:21No, no, no, no. It is actually really good and we used to use it when we were at home as well. So we'd have like beauty treatments at home and then they would be in the next room. Next door room. Sometimes we're out of spare blood drugs. Amy, we've run out of time, which is absolutely devastating. I can't believe it. Before we go, just quickly, just give us your top three products, are products that you absolutely love, your diehard ones, we like to ask our guests that at the end of every podcast. Clarins Double Serum. Oh, is it like mum products? No, no, no. Beauty products. We love whatever, anything.

1:01:49Any products that you love. Okay, so I'll do one of it. So mum product is the prep machine. Yeah. Tommy Tippy one. Yeah, why would she not? Yeah. Then beauty products, Clarins Double Serum. Oh, yeah, nice. Obsessed. Yes, that is such a good one. Yeah. Yeah. And then the Caudalie Face Spray. Lovely. I had no idea what to do with it until I had two bottles. I gave one to my sister-in-law. So she started reading the back to me. And I was like, oh, is that when I'm supposed to use it? And now, like, when I get to the end, I'm, like, ordering a new one. Yeah, amazing. Love that. I'm going to buy that on the way home.

1:02:19And, yeah. No, you don't. You're not. You're not buying any more products on the way home. You would have bought loads when you came in this morning. A fourth one, the other one, the Rehab Whipped Face Cream. I've never used Rehab. No, I haven't either. And so it's, like, obviously you'd think, like, your Skin Hero products so like from the big skin brands back made in Korea so it's Korean skincare it's really it's like 25 quid for a pot that lasts ages and it's literally my skin amazing those are those three together and literally just before we go what is the best piece of advice you've ever been given or the piece of advice you'd give to your mate if she's just about to have a baby so it was given to me and I give it to everyone is take the help that is offered to you because people are doing it because they want to help and if they're just saying it they deserve to be punished for saying things they don't mean i love that yeah exactly i'll take your kid for the weekend okay great well you shouldn't have said it then should you uh amy thank you so much amy hi everyone yeah she's mega isn't she i love how she pulled me up as well when i was like last time i saw you we were on a boat and she was like a ship actually it's a ship she yeah i mean i've never been like tempted to go on a cruise before me neither but then when i speak to her and she talks about how much she loves it.

1:03:33I'm then really intrigued about when she says they come back from the excursions and she feels like she's home. I mean, I've never even stepped foot on one. So, yeah, we need to go on one. I'm actually really intrigued. Who wants to see me and Georgia and the kids on a cruise together? I'm not getting dressed up every night for dinner. Dressed up? I think that's like a cruise that you and I would just go on together. Pineapples outside the rooms. Oh my God. Thank you so much the gorgeous Amy for coming on the pod today George it was a gorgeous catch up with you as well loved it um as always we'd love you to rate review subscribe and please give our podcast a follow yeah and if you've got any feedback on this episode or guests you'd like to hear from drop us a dm on instagram we're on at made by mamas and we'll be back on friday

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