Charlotte Crosby on Feeling F****** Fabulous

0:00Hi, everyone. It's Katie Couric. And on my podcast, Next Question, we love stories about how women are taking control of their lives. They are increasingly leading financial decisions in their households, yet many say they don't feel fully prepared for the long-term financial choices ahead. Real confidence comes from knowing your financial future is protected whatever happens. Pacific Life has helped generations protect what matters today and prepare for tomorrow with life insurance and lifetime income solutions. It's a promise Pacific Life has kept for nearly 160 years so its customers can keep theirs.

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1:35It's Tuesday. It is. How are you? I'm all right, although I've got a real big problem. And she's holding her earlobe. Right. I don't know if anyone else listening to this or watching this has this issue with their ears, but because I have had my ears pissed since I was probably 12, and I've been wearing big dress earrings probably for the last 20 years, I have an issue with this hole in my ear. You've got baggy lobes. Is that what the... That's what James calls mine. Right. The hole is so big now that it looks like I'm doing that earlobe stretching thing where, you know, people put those big round things in the ear.

2:17I can't wear some earrings any longer because they're falling through and falling out. The backs are falling out. Yeah, you need to get these stickers. I've got them on behind the back of your ear. I even wear them now when I even have just tiny earrings in and they hold the weight for you. But you have got to remember to change them because I will leave them on and then they really stink. Oh, God. Yeah, I've got exactly the same. Have you? I even looked at having them sewn. Yes. Yeah, but it's quite a lot. I think it's quite a lot of money. It's like seven grand or something. Someone caught them the other day when I was where it ripped it again.

2:52And you can actually see, look, if I hold it up like that. I know, you can see the background through them. So that's what's going on in my life. How are you? Do you know what I have to say? Because we will send each other notes. You know, so we remember what to talk about on the podcast. If something funny's happened or whatever, we just quickly write it down so we don't forget. This morning, we're just having a normal conversation on WhatsApp. like nothing to do with like really the podcast or anything. And then all of a sudden she literally just sends me, I've got earlobes. But what? Okay, cool.

3:25And then no drinking. I've got earlobes, no drinking. I was like, oh, okay. I've got no idea what that means. I didn't put any reference to that, did I? No, you didn't. But I've got earlobes, no drinking, feeling disconnected and feeling sad or something. Yeah, and then back to the normal conversation again. So I'm slightly concerned, but at the moment I'm just not wearing any earrings. yeah yeah yeah but i will send you the link to these little things you can put behind especially if you've got like an event or a shoot or like some way you do want to wear them they're these little stickers you get them from amazon and you put them behind your ears okay i need to do that take the load baggy loads how are you george you're right i'm good i'm yeah i'm good i'm very much back into september and like loving the routine it's nice isn't it yeah it is actually it is really nice and it's exciting for us because some of you might be watching this on a full episode.

4:13This is so exciting. It's our first ever full episode that you guys are going to be able to see on video. Yeah, we've been talking about doing this for a long time and, you know, it costs money to film a full episode of the podcast, edit it, all of that kind of stuff. So we're giving it a go. You know, Patreon subscribers can watch full episodes. We're going to see how it goes. So if you fancy it, do sign up. Yeah, it's a big departure for us. And I think we wanted to take this moment to just have the conversation with you guys and say thank you if you're supporting us on Patreon because we've obviously been putting out these episodes for nearly 10 years now.

4:47Yes, our 10 years. Completely for free. So if you do want to jump across to Patreon, you can get it, you know, for a cost, but thank you. But also you get it ad free as well and you get loads of different perks, you know, an extra episode and various other things that you can sign up for. So thank you in advance if you've done it. And if you haven't, we love you just the same. We do. And you can carry on listening to the ads because we love doing the ads. And I think both can work, but we are going to be building the community over on Patreon. So like lots of different chats and other bits, just a new time for us.

5:19Yeah, exactly. It's like having a favourite child. Like we don't have a favourite child, but if you are on Patreon, ring, ring, nudge, nudge. Listen, let's get into today's conversation because as Georgia and I said, obviously this is our first full video that you guys can watch and we're launching with a very special, special guest. I left that conversation thinking I wanted her to stay. Because I was so, I was so kind of intoxicated, maybe the wrong way, but like engrossed in what she was saying. I thought she was funny, relatable. She's, she has not changed at all. No. From when I first met her, maybe 15 years ago.

5:53Yeah, I was going to say, she's got this presence. I don't think like everyone has it. She has this, I don't know. You listen to everything she says, you laugh, she's warm. Yeah. Yeah, she's very special, I would say. I mean, I absolutely love the chat and, you know, you guys are going to get to listen and I hope you do too. Yeah, Georgia, let's get into it. Who are we talking to today? We're chatting to Charlotte Crosby.

6:20Today's guest needs little introduction from bursting onto our screens on Geordie Shaw to becoming a TV personality, entrepreneur, author and mum. Today's guest has shared the highs and lows of plenty of laughs doing everything that she does to make us crack up the way that she does. I cannot wait for this conversation. She's bold, she's brilliantly honest and never afraid to say exactly what she thinks. Please welcome to the podcast, the one and only Charlotte Crosby. Oh shit, I'm just breaking the set. Yay! Charlotte is breaking the set. It's not me. She said we wanted a little revamp. She's going to address it, won't she?

6:55Charlotte, how's your morning been? Did you stay down in London last night? I stayed down in London last night. I've had a lovely morning. I've been child free. Ooh. I can't sleep, though. Can you? Yeah. Oh, can you sleep without the kids? Nah, nah. I could just still wake up at like six. And then when I'm with them, I have an early night. But then when I'm not, I suddenly feel like I want to just stay up really late. So I was up until one. What? What were you doing? Well, do you want to know what I did the other night in the hotel? Yeah, do, yeah, yeah. So not last night because I thought, honestly, if I do this again, just end everything for us.

7:30because the other night when I was in London, it was Friday, Thursday, one of them. And I don't get to eat. This is such a crap story. Have you ever had Wingstop? Oh my God. It's on my list. I actually have it. You are, Joanne. My stepdaughter is obsessed with Wingstop. Wingstop is the best, right? We don't have one next to us. So like, it's very rare I get to have it. So I come to London, Uber Eats straight away is the one in the vicinity. Got a Wingstop, right? When I got off the train the other night at 10 o 'clock at night. And I thought, I'll only get three because like, you just don't go overboard, John.

8:05I'm a bit of a binger. I love a binge eating. I have like sometimes once a month, I'll go on like a 48 hour binge eating. It's just like, literally my mouth is a rubbish bin. I could eat my family if I wanted to. Like literally, little bit of ketchup, put them in a bun, I'm eating Alba, right? That's how far the binge eating goes. It's horrendous, right? Right. I didn't dare tell my mum or Jake because if they'd known I got Wingstop at 10. Would they have been cross? so cross my mum gets so disappointed i've done a lot of things in my life on jolly shore she's never been disappointed apart from the binge eating really yeah she hates it she's like that's just too far anyways got the wing stop only ordered free instantly regretted it oh instant had the air ranch dressing best ranch dressing you'll ever try in your whole entire life drank it because i got the large tub then i thought oh god there's still a bit left i'm gonna order of another what you got another three got another three at um midnight no yeah so i was on the edge last night because i thought the last binge was last week like what do i do i've got to hold myself back one in the morning i was checking on her breath so i was like no do you know what charlotte's not gonna go to um to rehab for like you know the normal kind of class a's alcohol she's going for fucking wing stop i want to go to wing stop but i think i won't now no it sounds like it's addictive.

9:23Once you pop, you just can't stop. And also, when I said, how was your night in the hotel? I literally thought you were going to be like, oh, face mask. No, I did. I had a face mask. I was doing that to try and stop the ordering. Gone are the days of us staying up to one o 'clock in the morning and actually having fun. Like, you know, like a wild night. I have a great time when I'm eating. Honestly, it's the best time of my life. It's not a wild night out for you anymore. No, but it, but. Is it ever? No, me. No, never. Never have a wild night out. Never. Well, once in a while, maybe once every two months if there's this big occasion.

10:00And other than that, I never drink. I'm not a casual drinker. I don't drink, like, with a meal. Can't think of anything worse. Like, that's not my reason to drink. I don't really enjoy the taste of it. Do you know what I mean? It's just like if it's an occasion and everyone's like, let's have a great night. Even though I feel like you can have a great night without it. Of course you can. What's that like, though? I came on the podcast about three weeks ago and I was like, right, I've got an announcement to make. I am going sober. Really? No, hold on. Some context for this. Right. She does this around every three months.

10:36Right. Yeah, that's what I do every time. Every time you've had that one night out. Yeah, yeah. That's a simple thing. Instant regret. Instant regret. So I've made this big announcement that I'm going sober. But can I just confirm? Haven't had a drink since. No, don't yawn. How long? Like 20 days. Thanks very much. I can't even stop binge eating for that long. No, thanks. Like every 10. We'll be right back after this short break.

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12:45welcome back to this episode of made by mommas now where were we tell us about charlotte as a mom what what sort of mom are you oh i am what's life like i am what is it what do they call them people it's like this big trend that goes around type b yeah oh what's type b again type b is the one that literally anything goes yes yes type is the really yes yeah yeah yeah so basically i am so type b i'm nearly virgin on c like i am crazy like relaxed great crazy like you come in and pixie's on the island having a dinner and alba's like sitting on the settee with spaghetti bolognese and it's just everywhere and jake freaks out does he hate it ocd bad so do you like being type b i love it exactly i don't never stress about anything never stress about anything i'm the tell you a person i was in the supermarket the other day and listen i don't know that i'm judging but i suppose i am but like there was just this little boy and he was just like sat on the like you know when you're at the till and there's a there's like a silver bar and he was just sat in the silver bar swinging a little bit and his dad was getting really irritated by it he's like stop it stop it get off get off and i'm just like let him let them like what's he doing like he's not doing nothing wrong just let him sit on the bar if he wants to sit on why is it stressing you out that much.

14:05Like mine could be standing on top of the till and I still wouldn't see anything. Yeah, because they're having fun, right? If they're not hurting anyone or causing real like chaos, then let them. Like Jake used to be the type where he'd be like they'd want to run out in the rain in the garden. He'd be like, no, no, it's raining, you're going to get soaking. I'd be like, let them. Yeah. Who cares if they're going to get soaking? Like, let's go out with them. Do you know what I mean? Oh my God, totally. We as adults, we We become very dull very quickly. Yeah. We become heavily loaded with responsibilities.

14:39We lose our sense of humour. We stop dancing. We stop playing. And we stop fucking laughing. Oh, what I mean? That's never happened. No, not you. Because you are one of the very few gems. But a lot of us do that, right? And our kids actually are a mirror of how we should be. Yeah. We have to let them have fun and play. Yeah, definitely. I agree. 100%. I think it's important. Otherwise, we spend our entire time saying, oh, stop doing that. Stop doing that. No, honestly. And then you're like, what? After the school holidays, I feel like I never want to tell anyone to stop doing anything ever again.

15:05I feel like that's all I've done. I'll hold you to that. Yeah, just like, it is so boring. Yeah, but just don't do it. Just let them do everything. Yeah. I'm scared of where that could go. I'm just as bad as them though because my mum walked in the house the other day and she went, is that still egg on your ceiling? I went, yeah. And she went, are you ever going to clean that off? I went, no. Because I smashed an egg off the fridge for a video. so like I'm worse than the kids and it's splattered everywhere and I just cannot be arsed to go up and clean it off Were the kids there when you did it?

15:36No because that's a bad example That's a bad example I'll leave that one there I did that when they were at nursery try not to let them see us do too many stupid things but there'll be a time, they'll be everything Do you think that you will ever kind of find the serious? And do you ever find the serious? Nah, Jake is just like what are you doing? like he came in last night and he was he was late from work he had to work a bit later and I was meant to be getting the seven o 'clock train he's like I'm so so sorry I'm so sorry like what you're gonna do I went I don't know and he was like so what train you're gonna get I went I don't know he went are you gonna lock I was like yeah but I'm just having five minutes to sit down and I literally didn't even look at my train until half an hour before getting on it like I just literally so relaxed so relaxed oh my god i love it i was so relaxed like i would come this is the first time i've ever packed like any like a pair of pajamas for an overnight stay like i went on a trip once and my on i can't remember what i was filming for one of my shorts that was on bbc my mom opened the suitcase and there was literally just a vibrator in it and she was like are you taking anything but a vibrator i went nah Nah.

16:51You've got your priorities right, and I love that. It's just that's all I need. You know, I'll just re-wear my knickers. They'll be a bit dirty after all the vibrator use. That's why you get to turn them inside out and wear them back to front. I'm already joking. I did pop some other stuff in, but that was all that was in for a while, and I didn't actually use that vibrator just to let everyone know. That was just the first one I had to do. Charlotte, take us back to your time, maybe not necessarily in Geordie Shore, but coming off the back of it and how you felt you changed as a person leaving that show yeah so listen I've thought about this a lot because I get asked about it a lot I don't think necessarily right as a person I have changed like I've grown up but it hasn't changed the parts about us like I'm still quite outrageous loud like the the fundamentals of us are exactly the same I've what I'm doing in life has changed like but every that happens but I don't think fundamentally I've changed as a person like I'm still a bit batshit crazy like all of the time I just don't go out and drink every single night but that isn't what made us as a person that's just what we did on the show yeah do you see what I mean that was just and that's what people did in their 20s that's what people did at uni but it wasn't who they are as a person yeah see what I mean yeah that's so true actually i might be doing something different but i'm still exactly the same person do you know what i mean i didn't change my personality after i came off geordie shore as mother had changed you then nah no no wow i'm quite shocked by that i was a very caring person and i'm still i'm an even more caring person now because i care for my kids so much i always wore my heart on my sleeve and i was very emotional throughout all and everyone saw that on tv and i'm even more of that now because I've got kids and I think it brings out an even like.

18:42So it's changed you because it's made you become more emotional, but the fundamentals of who you are as a person haven't changed since we've come young. It's just so wild, so crazy. See, me and the girls do stuff we probably shouldn't do. We probably shouldn't be singing songs with swear words in, but it's so much fun. Have you ever heard that song by Meek? Feeling fucking fabulous. Tax man took all my money, but I am fucking fabulous. I've heard it. It's sad because feeling fucking fabulous. Me and Alba scream laugh from the top of our voices. She walked up and down the beach on holiday when we're in Turkey screaming, I am fucking fabulous.

19:22I was like, yes, yes. She is three. She is three. Now listen, that is not really the right thing to do. But it's all right, isn't it? There's a lot worse things you can do. But she knows she should never ever say that word in nursery. She knows it's bad. This is the thing with Alba. Me and her, we can have a big laugh. but she knows it's just mammy and charlotte time when we're having a laugh we're dancing we're singing top of our lungs she knows she's not meant to say that word in in nursery or in public like just randomly like fucking just like yeah yeah she says it for the song she sometimes says it like when she's with my mom and she'll she'll say it and make her laugh but that's like me i only say things to make people laugh yeah do you know what i mean yeah my daughter was in the car with my parents the other day and my daughter said to my mum, Nanny, do you like rap music?

20:08And my mum said, maybe I like some of it. 50 Cent, one of my favourites. Maybe. And my mum said to her, what's your favourite part of rap music? And she said, the swearing. And my mum was like, oh, right, like what? And then she just said every word there was. That's so funny though. Listen, it's as long as they're not actually going around saying it in that kind of way. They're like, do you know what I mean? Or do two people. They're just doing it with a bit of joy. They've got to have a little bit of personality when they're free. Yeah, of course. It's just when you're eight-year-olds doing the wanker sign outside the bus.

20:42That's quite funny. To the bus. It's like the bus. He was like, he cut you up, mum. And I was like, you don't do the wanker sign outside the window. I said, where have you seen it? He goes, well, when daddy gets a bit of rose rage. And I was like, God, does it? Talk to us about when you just knew that you wanted to be a parent and your route to becoming a parent. I've always wanted to be a mom I didn't realize that I always wanted to have a big family I didn't even when I thought about being a mom I just thought about having a child not like having multiple children yeah I just thought about like how amazing it must feel feel that love and have like this little like person who's like half of you do you know what I mean and I didn't think about much else that that came when I had a child I thought wow this is amazing then I had two and I was like oh my god do I stop or do I keep going but like everyone I want to keep going I think I can say I say three but I think there'll be four but I know I think probably private school is going to cost a lot of money but we'll think of that as it comes so basically the road to becoming a mom obviously I'd never try I'd never been in a relationship to try and have a baby never like I've had a lot of relationships very public knowledge I've had some right arseholes some right arseholes and basically we won't talk about them today we don't know people know people as soon as they say arsehole the names come into their heads so basically and there's not just one there's loads so when i did have the right relationship with jake this is so stupid because me and jake met yeah and we basically got pregnant after two months of knowing each other we didn't try it just happened yeah and we were like oh my god this is really is a wild card like i don't even know you and we were just having great sex and then shit but we did speak we we literally when we met we fell madly deeply in love the second i met him we didn't spend a day apart so we were like really head over heels we always talked about like we would love to live together they get married, have children.

22:52Then we got pregnant and then we just, that was it. We were, we known each other longer when I was pregnant than when I wasn't. And you know what? For some reason, I feel like weirdly, strangely, it absolutely worked because I know a lot of people who've been together for a very long time, six, seven, eight years, five, even five, right? They have a baby and it changes the whole dynamic it flips it on its head you are so used to the versions of yourself and the couple you were before this little child came along we never had that so all we've ever known is our family and it's amazing and actually I think that was a really really great positive because we are still so madly deeply in love I'll be with that for the rest of my life.

23:42Oh, what did your mum say? Oh, she just, she doesn't know what the hell's going to happen next to me. When we told her, so we obviously told her when it was 12 weeks we waited. So how long have we been together? Four months. Four months, yeah. Wow. Or maybe slightly more. Five months. She seemed really happy. Five months. I don't know what she might have been saying behind my back, but listen, she's very happy now. She absolutely, Jake's been together five years now. Yeah. She idolizes Jake. She says every single day, I don't think I know anyone who has a son-in-law that treats them the way I get trekked.

24:21Jake pays half of my mom's car payment for her so she could get a car. She never had a car for 10 years. Pays half of my mom's car payment. He turns up to hers every morning with a coffee. He takes her out for dinner. He got her tickets for Wimbledon, just him and her. That's her favorite thing. He is a diamond. people like Jake do not come around very often I don't think and he's just amazing so listen I think she probably at the time was a bit sceptical but now she's probably like thank the fucking lord because they're stuck together now so I get this treatment my whole life she's like counting the years I really want a divorce and she'd be like no no you absolutely can't no way he treats her like a queen and he treats you like a queen yeah how you should be treated yeah do you feel like jake came along at just the right moment at just the right time for you you deserved that person after being treated so badly right and you know what i felt like i don't know whether you've ever been in relationships like this but you know when you've been in relationships for so long where you've been trekked so badly and you're constantly paranoid and you've been cheated on all of every single one of my relationships since i met jake up until I met Jake sorry were like that so I literally thought that's what a relationship feels like like that's just how it's meant to feel of course you're going to be paranoid because you love them so much that's how I felt then I met Jake and I was like what yeah the fuck this is eye-opening this is like what the hell I need to tell everyone about this right now So the first person I went to was my best friend, Lauren.

26:04She won't mind us saying this. He was with a very, very awful person, right? And he cheated and had affairs on her throughout pregnancies when her baby was premature and in the unit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Vile, vile piece of work, right? And basically, when I realized love out there existed like this, I just went around and went, you need to get rid of him now because I've seen the other side. And it is fucking unreal. like it is the best thing you'll ever fail and you'll be like what the hell i didn't know this existed so then she didn't listen it was obviously like friends do it happened again and i just had a big argument with her because i was like i'm gonna be i'm not gonna stand there for it anymore i'm gonna tell you how it is leave them because you you deserve what i've got now yeah and i think especially when you become a parent that dynamic that layer becomes even bigger because you don't want your girls or boys to go through what you went through with a toxic coercive controlling cheating nasty horrible relationship you look at your kids and you're like if i'm doing it to myself yeah you know what would i say to them if they came to me and said oh this guy's cheating on me he's treating me like shit you'd be like get the hell out of there but for some reason you stay don't you in that moment it's hard to break it yeah now moving on charlotte you've obviously spoken about you know loss during pregnancy yeah are you happy today to talk to us about yes absolutely yeah can you tell people that don't know or haven't heard that side of the story what happened to you so basically i've had two big things happen to us in terms of loss i had an ectopic pregnancy and i cannot remember the year of it now but it was about eight years ago and i thought was on my period so this is really important to know with ectopic pregnancies you can bleed like you're on a period and you might not even know you will also feel cramp and pains like you're on a period but if it is in one certain side and it gets worse and worse and worse turns to shoulder pain getting dizzy then it's really something to be like wary of there's loads of signs and I think it would be right to tell every one of them but I can't remember them all but basically there's a website and so many people didn't I didn't know what's happening in my body I didn't even know what it was I was on a photo shoot I'd been bleeding for a week the blood wasn't like normal it was kind of like watery like a ribana yeah very watery yeah you know what a period's like it's quite thick wasn't like that it was like a diluted water so i already suspected something was off and then i was getting really sharp pains still no idea that this was epitopic didn't even know what it was really sharp pains had a really busy week in london so busy every single day i had like a shoot for i think i just brought out a fitness book I was filming Geordie Shore.

28:44It was the five-year anniversary. We filmed the advert on the Monday. I traveled to London on the Tuesday, did another shoot, then did this morning, then had a final shoot with the Daily Star of the Sun. I can't remember. The last day, I collapsed at the photo shoot. Oh, my God, shut up. I got in the car, and my agent at the time said to us, shall we get a doctor to the hotel? And I turned around and went, there is nothing a doctor in a hotel room will be able to do to help me. I need to go to the hospital right now. So we went straight to St. John and Elizabeth's. It was in London. Got there, told them all of everything I was experiencing and they knew straight away.

29:21They said, let's do a urine test. They came back. They went, you're pregnant. I went, what? She went, the bad news is you're miscarrying or even worse, you're having an ectopic and you'll die. You'll die. You're internally bleeding. Your organs are ruptured. They're splitting open inside of you. People have died of it. Just before me, a few months before me, it was a tragic story. a young girl had died because she didn't get to it fast enough so you're getting poison throughout your body if you're internally bleeding so i was kept there and then i went for a scan it was i was internally bleeding it it was really bad so i had emergency surgery didn't even realize still at this point i was in my 20s maybe mid-20s didn't even realize at this point that what what was going to happen because it was just they would put loads of painkillers into words i was out of it came around and the doctor came in dr caro and he said he explained everything and he said it was you have we've had to remove your tube and your fallopian and your ovary and the only reason i cry because of that is because to wake up and realize you've had organs taken yeah it feels like quite helpless like no choice not of not even not a violation in that way but like you had no choice do you know what I mean and they're just taken away and of course because I was young and I didn't realize I was like I'm not going to be able to have kids so I just burst into tears the doctor at the time completely reassured is that I could go on to have kids I could go on have a big family um wow and but he said if you do get pregnant you must come straight to the hospital one ectopic pregnancy could mean you'd be prone to another and if that was the case you do not want to lose the other side because then we're in bad bad like hot water then so basically fast forward to meeting jake we were in london he'd taken us to the carinthia for my birth no for valentine's day it was so weird that we found out on valentine's day so basically i just was again i've talked about being dry i must get dry a lot so it was valentine's day and i just really wasn't horny.

31:30And I was like, oh God, we haven't known each other long. We're after Shag. Like, honestly, I was drier down there than the Sahara Desert. They put it this way, right? I got into the bath, I touched my vagina and it was dry. In the bath. In a tub full of water. And I was like, nah, this can't be right. So I was like, what's he going to think? He's going to think I don't like him. He was thinking on the other side, Charlotte's being really off. She's not being her normal self because I was feeling a bit moody as well yeah so basically we're both like what the hell's going on with each other we're on this romantic night i'm dry as a bone he's like oh god she doesn't like us anymore i'm like oh god he's not gonna like us couldn't sleep that night and i was like something's going on something's going on in my body so i said to him in the morning think we're gonna have to get a pregnancy test you went no i went i swear down something's not right so we went to get a pregnancy test and i did it and i was pregnant so basically remember what dr acaro says yeah yeah yeah yeah come to london the second you find out i was in london it was like it was all meant to be oh my god right we were we were literally five minute walk yeah hospital yeah weird rang the rang his assistant booked in the appointment walked down the next day it was in the womb it wasn't in the fallopian tube so it was just a lovely moment so we celebrated and then because it felt right it was very expensive feeling right but basically dr caro saved my life all them years ago he saved my life he found out that my pregnancy was successful in the womb for my next baby if something was telling us it only felt right that he delivered the baby yeah very fucking stupid of his mind i didn't realised that Dr.

33:17O 'Connor delivers babies at the Portland. Oh! Ching, ching, ching, ching, ching, ching, ching, ching, ching. I was just in a normal hospital, you know, just in London, blah, blah, blah. But then he was giving us all the day deals and I was so far in, I was like, I can't back out now. Is that Al and Albert? That's Albert. That's Albert. So I was like, I can't back out. I need to know what it's like to deliver a baby at the Portland. Oh my God, it's Portland. I need to know. Tell us everything. Yeah, I want all of it. It is, oh. Now I want another baby. So I can't get it at Portland. Have another baby.

33:45I've told you this about a million times Doctor of Kahari Doctor of Kahari so I did it once right and then I couldn't not do it again so I did it with Pixie too tell us what happened so much listen and I don't even mind talking about because this like I don't care that I didn't go to a normal hospital I had a different story to everyone else it's fine because people are like and I just don't care this is hold on Charlotte remember when Victoria Beckham chose to have a cesarean or she was told she had to have a cesarean people were going oh too push too posh to push yeah no who cares like whatever just deliver your baby where you want to how you want to exactly correct and I didn't I never chose Portland it just happened yeah and then I was like shit how much is this gonna be thankfully I was still on quite a lot of TV so basically you go to the Portland right oh my god do you know like when you get to a really fancy hotel and they have a big luggage thing and it's gold yeah they meet you with your luggage thing yeah you put your luggage on and it gets taken to your room lovely right you can stay as long as you want no you can't yeah you can i stayed for the first time i stayed three nights and then the second one i thought the second one my second c-section i literally couldn't walk i was in the worst pain i've ever been in i was really hard the second one so then i was like i need to book another three nights and i need the strongest pain relief and they were like fine six days Wait a second, do you want to unlock this one?

35:11Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what I'm going to do if I ever have a third? Because I always felt really bad to discuss this because I don't want anyone to think that I'm trying to be dead posh because I'm not. I'm the least posh you could get. Charlotte, leave it at the door. If I have another one, I think I'll document so I can show people. Yeah. It's quite fun. I want to know all of it. I want to know what you eat. I want to know all of it. There's no toast and butter, but you could get it if you want. I know everyone loves the toast. I'm not a big fan of toast. Just toast in general? what happens on about when they've had the baby i never had toast after i had either baby i didn't have any toast no me oh really oh but you need to go to poland then because it's lobster mac and cheese oh my god okay i swear down it's literally you get steaks you get all sorts oh my god lobster mac and cheese do you know what it's got a lovely risotto as well i always get the risotto I would like that.

36:07Oh, my God. I was left with no money in the hospital. I couldn't buy anything. I had to get up and make my own cup of tea. What? You didn't even have a... Guys, some people could birth in a shrink. I like it. I want to hear it. Basically, so I had a really, really good experience. And in the end, I was like, you know what? This was really expensive. But this was my first ever baby. I was like, this man saved my life. I romanticised this full circle moment. And it was just fabulous. and I literally, I've saved a long time in my life. I think I would go into my savings and do it again because I think as a woman, right, and I still don't understand this.

36:45My mom told me that back in the day, you had your baby and you stayed in the hospital to get help off the M. And now they're just shit women off. And I think that's not fair. I think the women are the people who have fought about last and you need that. You want to have that little bit of care and attention for you because you're looking after the baby. And I know the men do care for you, but they're not the same as the nurses, are they? And these are the women in the Portland. Honestly, I absolutely love them. I'd carry on having babies just to go and visit them. I love them. I want to have another baby to go there.

37:17I'd reverse my menopause to have blood for you. We have such a laugh. We have such a laugh. Honestly, would they just come in and sit in their ears and we'd chat all night? Oh, it sounds like... Is that where Princess Kate got? No. Queen Catherine Shorty called in that. The other one. There's another one as well. Lister? No. There's an even posher one with the big steps that they get pictures on. Yeah. That sounds nice. That's the one that they want to do. So do they look after the babies in the night? Do they help? No, you can't ask them. I need all of this in fact. You can ask them if you want.

37:47You can ask them if you want to. But no, we don't. Obviously, I'd like to have my baby with us. But I think there's a lot of stories of people who come in and just have everyone look after them. I mean, that sounds lovely. I mean, it does sound really nice. And for the third, I might have a look. But Jake's always there with us because there's a bed in the room, you see. So he just does everything and I just lie there and watch it all. I remember thinking after I'd given birth for the first time, like bearing in mind you probably don't know my birth story, but three days later, I looked like, you know the slug from Monsters, Inc.?

38:17Yeah. Yeah, that's what I looked like. I think you didn't. And my vagina was ripped from fucking vagina to asshole. Oh, no, I know. I think that is awful. Your lovely friend here who's coming is going, oh my God, what did she say? He's sort of looking down, but that's what happened. Oh, God. um swollen beaten up in the world and i remember leaving you obviously i just left the next day and i remember thinking like looking around going someone's going to come and rescue me and nobody did yeah and you just have to leave i had no idea how to breastfeed my husband was back to work so he was playing i think it's awful it was uh listen i think that and do you know in um i follow a woman who god did she have did she have a baby in switzerland or somewhere like that And there, not every single pregnancy get to have a nurse that comes home with you for the first week.

39:02Wow. And that's what they do for everyone. It's amazing. And I do think that it shouldn't even be a thing that if you're privileged, you get to pay for and you just get that. I think everyone deserves to be looked after like that. Yeah, I agree. It's such a sensitive time. I am incredibly lucky that I got to have that experience. Like, I feel incredibly lucky every single day, but I feel everyone deserves that. Yeah. I feel like, if anything, everything, and especially the women who split, because my friend was in agony for weeks. She couldn't even sit down. I think that must be a really awful pain.

39:37I hate any vagina pain. Oh, it's horrific. It was horrific. But remember, don't forget, this is what we've lost, I think, without trying to get too heavy. But the community, in some cultures, they're forced to go to bed. They're told to go to bed. And the whole family for 40 days come around and look after them. what's happened here then where have we got it all wrong we all need to be helping each other yeah i do think as well like if so i went i went home the day after i had my first but my mum was there and she was there for two weeks yeah that's nice that some people don't even have that exactly that's what i mean and i think that's the bit that we've lost and it's not necessarily i don't i think it's down to parents or anything like that but it's just where when we're having kids parents might still be working it's just not the same is it but anyway we can dream of the portland we can get back to dreamy in the morning yeah i need to be back in the room because i'm there it was lovely and they were so good it was i couldn't the second one because you both have natural births yeah yeah so do you mean vagina what do you think what do you what we're saying like vagina yes through the vagina so i do you know i always think to myself i'd like i'd love to try it but i think i'm too far gone now with the c-sections the reason i chose the first c-section was after the ectopic pregnancy, I had so much taken out of my control.

40:52And for me, that felt quite traumatic to wake up and to have lost organs. I had a couple of friends who had had really bad birth stories where one had to be put to sleep and didn't even get to meet a baby. And there was lots of things where they'd got a lot of things taken out of their control again. For me, I didn't want to even risk that. I wanted to have, I'd had that traumatic experience. I wanted everything to be as plain sailing as possible because this was my chance now to have a happy ending. I love that. So I wanted, and then the second one, I just thought, yeah, let's just do the same.

41:25But whoo, that second C-section is not for the faint hearted. Holly was fine. Holly was up walking. I couldn't stand. And he fainted twice when I was just doing my practice walk up the corridor. Why? Because what happens? It was just really painful. The pain, yeah. It was just, I think, you know, they could do how many layers, seven or eight. And I think, I don't know, the second time doing that must have just four. We'll be right back after this short break.

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43:23Welcome back to this episode of Made by Mamas. Now, where were we? How do you, obviously we've spoken about your relationship with Jake pre-having kids how do you guys focus on making sure that that is solid and that you guys are you know as strong as you can be because you've got two young two young kids we have to we have to really prioritize time just me and him because honestly when we're in the house and when we've got the girls it's not that we're we're not like off with each other we just don't we just kind of neglect each other because I'm too busy focusing on the girls like if the girls are screaming my name I'm not even listening to what Jake's saying, unfortunately.

43:58Sorry, Jake, about that. But like, I'm just, all I can hear is the girls because they're my biggest priority and they solely rely on us. Jake is a grown adult man. I don't care what he's saying. I need to listen to the girls. It's like you, as a mom, you just, you zone in. So we have to really, really make sure that we have time where it's just me and him. And very luckily for me, my mom has the girls sleep once a week. So we get every Wednesday, if he's not working away, it's like our little night. sometimes we just watch telly on the sofa and get a takeaway and and binge which is obviously for me like chicken stock because you have one locally well that's maybe that's a good thing yeah it really is but you you said that you wanted a big family yeah and so are you very much we're trying now but i was pregnant in march i think it was march or did i find out an end of able I can't remember sadly it was a silent miscarriage now again never had any never had that happen either and I'd had two successful pregnancies so never in a million years did I think anything was going to happen so when we found out we planned our whole entire life we were like that's it let's get a bigger car like everything we were planning and then all of a sudden we went to the six-week scan and we've never experienced that before like we knew something was wrong because we've had two six-week scans with pixie and alba and it was like oh lovely he said we'll turn the screen on yeah they didn't turn the screen on and it was so silent and then we were just like oh and that feeling was just oh i can't even describe how awful that was like it was just such a but the worst thing about it was is they turned around and they were like you could just be too early and it was another two-week wait of hoping worrying wondering googling everything under the sun like it was just like constantly googling and how did that impact you for me i was quite strong because i've suffered a loss before having a with the ectopic for me all i thought was if it's not our time it's not our time we've got two beautiful girls for jake i think he took it a lot harder because he'd never experienced any form of loss in his life and he was just like he was so looking forward to it like so looking forward to it he's like desperate to have another a girl and be a girl dad like he's just so so looking forward to it but yeah I think I dealt with it quite well because I knew that if something was to happen we all we're all on track of it like we're not gonna we can go again anyways the two weeks was over we went back and it was confirmed really 90 99.9 % that this hadn't progressed it wasn't a successful pregnancy miscarriage it's yeah silence what's happened but it's not came it's not fell out so basically we had another two weeks because although they can't do anything about it then and there they need to just give it that little bit of time even though they know so we waited another two weeks and then me stupid me still hoping oh there's going to be a miracle there wasn't no miracle so we went back and then we were booked in to have it removed because it just wasn't falling i think they give you that two weeks to see if it will come naturally but it still didn't so I had to be booked in to have an operation which was just sad and it was quite painful when I woke up and I was just it was a long period of time to just go through waiting wondering worrying of course then the operation and then the like two weeks of it still some passing and oh just really long time having to be a mom yeah having to be upbeat and happy for them and yeah it's a lot yeah um and and you guys are in a good place about it now though and you've kind of we're back on the horse we're back on the horse we're trying we're calling jake now yeah he's the horse it's the grand national so basically which we are going we're going at it like rabbits but it's so hard like and not even just me saying this like honestly the other day i said to jake it's a solid smiley get your pants off i can't charlotte i went are you joking this is the most important day get your pants off now we're gonna have to just get to it i don't think i can't honestly he went stage fright we did it because we did it the night before the night before that and the night before that this was when we're like i was doing it a bit wrong we shouldn't have been doing it every single night like i think that's just a bit too much because apparently you have to give a break for the sperm to replenish yeah so if you do it every day it doesn't give a chance for the sperm to get good again sorry there's something about you just forcing jake to get his pants off it's making me giggling the forcing still happened and we were just like there and and like he was like i just can't i went to fine but i was in a bad mood honest to god bad mood does it consume a lot of your mind yeah oh my god i'm doing ovulation sticks like they're going out of fashion yeah god those ovulation sticks i remember that i'll be like right let's go we're on yeah but never never know from does it's never no never know from still never know from him which is quite irritating in jake's fairness he is training for the great north run as well and he's tired yeah he's running like nearly like i don't know how many kids it is i haven't got a clue but he's doing a lot of running right okay i don't think the sperm's in there i think it's all right now it's all gone give him a rest charlotte for a day or two give him a rest and what are you working on at the moment before we say goodbye to you so basically um i don't know i think i'm just working on my family yeah i think i'm at the minute i think i'm just working on my family we're talking about shows here and there and obviously i'm planning well i'm about to plan a wedding i'm hoping and we're going to go and visit our venue.

49:49So maybe, maybe we might choose it if we love it and then we might have a date. So we've got lots and lots of exciting things going on, but it's all personally, do you know what, which I love? Yeah, lovely. I really, I had a time in my life when I was in my 20s where every single day I was so busy. I used to miss my mom's birthday and now I'm so present. Sometimes I'm kind of like, do I have a purpose? But then I have to remember, I am literally like spending the best years with my kids and I need to really, really be grateful for that. Make sure that this is the good stuff. I know, it's the good time.

50:22This is the good stuff, right? Like seriously, everyone says that it goes like that. It really does. Yeah, I look back at Alba in the car. She's four next month. And I looked at her and she was talking to us and I was like, fuck, you are so fucking beautiful. And you're so long. Like you're so long now. Big, yeah. And big, like, and I just thought, you're just growing so fast. Yeah, don't miss it. Because she started her school nursery now. Yeah. And she finally told us something about it. yesterday she said, Mum, I really like my school nursery. I went, tried to remain cool. I went, oh, wow. That's amazing.

50:56Didn't want to ask any more questions. I'm not shy anymore, Mum. Well, thank you for telling me that, Alba. You can always tell me anything. Yeah, I know, Mum, but I really do like it. Oh, great. I know how cute is that. That is so cute. And then it will just keep galloping on. Yeah, it will. And then they always... She's a rat, dear. Yeah, they tell you at bedtime as well. when you want them to go to sleep. The bedtime questions, though. I know. What is the meaning of life? Yeah. Genuinely. Don't know, go to sleep. I was like, that's a dad question. I don't have them later. The question's just not yet.

51:27I can't wait, though. Sure. Have an answer ready. Mine is always, ask Alexa. I don't know, ask Alexa. We have to, before we say goodbye. Yes, five favourite products. For you, for the kids, whatever. Like, does it, like, it just has to be a thing. What was it about your absolute, Luke, like, what are you packing in your suit coats when you come to London? Oh, really? Not the vibrator. Not the vibrator. Well, you can say that if you want to. No, I'm getting too much with the penis. Yeah, no. With this whole trying to have a baby, I don't need a vibrator up there as well. Right, okay, let's go. I'm not going to do what I bring to London, but I'm going to say my top five things right now that I couldn't live without.

52:03I've just got on Alba a toddler sleep clock. Oh, yeah. And finally she goes to bed at, like, in between eight and half eight every night. Is this the grow clock? I don't know. The sunshine clock. and the moon clock. Yeah. And basically, the red light comes on, it's bedtime. Yeah. Green light comes on, it's good to get up. Love that. Yeah, she was not going to bed until like after 10 o 'clock every night. We were like, oh, when does this end? Got the clock, changed everything. Brilliant. Right, next thing. I love my face masks. The little pink ones. Love them. Got to take them when I'm traveling.

52:34The sheet ones. The sheet ones. But they're like jelly in the sea of the skin. Which ones do you love? Which ones? Corsics. Corsics. Oh, of course. Yes. C-O-R-Y-S-X. Yes. Red light therapy mask. Yes. Something that I never believed worked until I got one and I was like, this shit is like something off Harry Potter. Which ones do you use? I've got the FAQ one, FAQ 202 by Forio. It's amazing. Mine's like really good. You can like completely fold it in your case. It could fit in my handbag if I wanted. Completely wireless. It's amazing. Anyways, that's two. oh what about a brazil nut a what a brazil nut yeah okay brazil nut yeah is that a code for a sexy brazilian masseuse no oh a bag of brazil nuts is so important to have in your handbag they're like the elite nut by the way yeah and a walnut but you don't want to be eating more than one why seriously dangerous what do you mean right you gotta do your research okay one brazil nut a day is so important it contains something called sicilian or something god knows what that means but it's meant to be good.

53:42Over one a day, very dangerous. Oh my fucking God, I've been eating that. I'm going to say it's so many. You can't have Brazil nuts, you can't have in hospital. I eat like 10 a day. But it's really important to have one a day. So one a day Brazil nuts.

53:59So that's free. Right, no, that's four because you've done your sheet masks. Yeah, then number five is, I'm really liking a new brand of perfume. Have you ever tried perfume Damali? No. No. Right, hold on, I get it. I've got two different scents in here. So basically, it's quite expensive. She's just ferreting around in her hand. Oh, they've got a little tassel on them as well. They're very fancy. So do you like more summery or do you like more sexy? Sexy. I'll go summery then. This is going to be my wedding scent. Okay. Oh, you keep hitting that shelf. You've got to get it moving. I love it already.

54:39gorgeous sexy isn't it that's my wedding oh my god that's good that's what i'm wearing on my wedding is gorgeous that's what i'm wearing on my wedding yeah good yeah that's like wedding day that isn't yeah it's lovely you want to go through i'll go summer yeah yeah yeah i got it oh i love that as well oh oh i think i prefer yours this is day time this is night oh i love that i love both of them they've just brought out a pink one oh my god what's the brand what's the brand it's called perfume de mali where do i get it from um oh there look perfume de mali paris harrods harrods that sounds cheap i think i'm gonna write that down i use too i use for every day but i've got them oh no they're gorgeous for the podcast absolutely delicious and the best piece of advice that you would um give a new mother or a piece of advice that you've received that you absolutely love okay advice for a new oh this is a good one advice for a new mother and what i tell everyone which you don't believe when it's your first kid but absolutely everything is only a stage yeah like everything is only a stage and when you're caught up in it you think this is gonna literally last forever but honestly it's not so even the hardest times that you're having remember in your head they're gonna be over in no time at all because nothing lasts forever they're all stages like Pixie Alba was an amazing baby Pixie apparently had colic I haven't got a clue what that is but she screamed for three hours every single night for a month and I was like this is it now and I even forgot my own advice and then it was over like everything is a stage every single thing is a stage yeah I love that I could chat to you all day what a great podcast thank you so much girls but I must go I can't be here all day

56:43everything you said george warm funny down to earth you know you're engaged in everything she's saying and also i just i loved how she is investing in her family like when i said to her at the end i said you know what work have you got on what have you got coming up she was like i'm in my family era yeah it's no it is it's so lovely and she's just i don't know i wish you guys could feel her warmth because she is like so lovely and bubbly and also she's probably persuaded me to have a third baby because i'm gonna have it in portland um can we just hold hold we can just have a friend who has a baby at the pool and we can go for the mac and lobster mac and cheese i just think and i think everyone will agree that's watching this episode georgia has been speaking about it for such a long time now feeling how sad she is that the kids are getting older listen if there was a new baby to the made by mom's family then brilliant that's all i'll just leave it there it's not gonna be right look now you can see how uncomfortable i make georgia feel when i say things like that you're like that oh no i didn't think about that with the video you're gonna see like me squirming sometimes wait till we do a full episode and the whole conversation is around dildos or sex all right george stick with us as always we'd love you to rate if you subscribe and please give the podcast a follow.

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