Brogan Garrit-Smith on living a happier life

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1:38You can also find us on Instagram. We're on at Made by Mummers. But for now, George, should we get into it? Georgia! It's Tuesday! It is! You alright? I'm good. How are you? I'm really good. What's going on in your world? What's going on in my world? I feel like everyone's going up very fast. Oh, God, don't. What the hell? But I don't know if you've got this with Luna, because obviously Axel and Luna are both nine now. Happy birthday, Luna. And lots of girlfriend and boyfriend chat going on at the moment. What? Like, not Axel. Axel's not got a girlfriend. He's scarred after the kissing in the playground.

2:14I love that story. I will be forever grateful to that girl for. Now.

2:22But there's so much chat, you know, like such and such, you know, going out with this person and blah, blah, blah. Anyway, I thought it was all quite funny. Anyway, yesterday we went to play paddle with some friends. So, not me. I don't bloody play paddle. I am going to. No, I can't. It's a secret. It's not a secret. James isn't going to listen. I will tell you in a minute. um so we went like it was me james and then our friend steve and then his old pa who's like 30 and then his son so there's like five of us so i've gone along with the kids and axel was probably going to jump on now and again like they were going to play together i was just going to be outside with kids axel's like got his racket already in the car like loves playing with this boy edward he's 13 okay um and we get there and his face just changes like he goes bright red he's got tears in his eyes and i'm thinking oh like what's going on and he's like no no i just want to go home i just want to go home and i was like okay you know why do you want to go home like what's he like two minutes ago you were like really up for this he's like just i just i just want to go home doesn't want to go home so i took him off he's like crying like i was thinking what like what happened in that war and i said oh is it is it because tilly's here that's the the pa the his old pa and he was like yeah i just don't like meeting new people and i was like oh really and then he suddenly said i'm never gonna see edward again because he's always gonna be with her and i was like what what edward's gonna be with tilly what are you talking about he was like no edward's got a girlfriend i'm never gonna see him again and i was like oh no no actual till he's 30 edward's 13 they're definitely not an item and his whole face changed and he kind of went back to normal and then i said i was like what what do you why would edward having a girlfriend mean you're never gonna see him again he was like because that's what happens and that's what happens at school and now people have girlfriends and boyfriends and they're suddenly like oh my god you know like you laugh at all this boyfriend girlfriend chat and you're just like oh ha ha ha ha and then you've got a kid who's like genuinely like scarred and worried about it because he's lost his mate oh no to a 30 year old what's that film who's the milf in the film i mean that would be way too far wouldn't it yeah can we just clarify if tilly's listening no don't call anyone no it's not a thing that's really interesting do you know what that's i always say this to the girls i'm like whatever happens in your life no matter how many men or women come and go in your life yeah never ever ever drop your friends yeah because how many times have we seen it growing up with our girlfriends the minute they've got a bloke they've just gone i'll see you later and they've just fucked yeah or they change like in not maybe not a great way or they forget you know what they love or and yeah it was just really interesting but he suddenly noticed it yeah at nine and you think i think sometimes that's where they're not mature enough like to handle these things or maybe that is the whole thing because it's a learning isn't it like they'll soon realize that that is not the case or shouldn't be but it was a good way to have the conversation I mean all of these new things are popping up constantly aren't they for us we're definitely entering a different zone definitely it's changing nine feels like a bit of a milestone actually you know I know people talk about double digits and stuff but there's even just little things creeping in you know I never felt like Luna thought I was sort of cringy or embarrassing yeah and it's the eye rolling started oh don't do that and I think oh my god I've got her for a nanosecond before she thinks I'm an absolute idiot yeah yeah no it's it is it's so true like it's it's a weird like I don't know new phase that we're going into someone's got a big pause button could you just send it to us please but it does like it allowed me to say to him listen look that's why I'm you know go off and do things with my friends or you know this is who I am it's not just me and like look look at me and daddy we do our separate things yeah that's what happens with boyfriends and girlfriends um so yeah poor axe tell him to call me i'll give him a good i'll give him the i'll give him the goods i'll tell him the truth over the phone do you know what i am yeah i think yeah well well done you seem to have handled that really really well i mean i don't know let's see what happens well we've had a weekend of um me chucking i'm okay i've got to be honest here i'm losing my fucking shit at home the amount of crap that is in my house at the moment if anyone can hard relate on this where there's just constantly coats we on the seat muddy feet on the floor i know i said i screaming this morning i chucked one of does his walking boots because he's become an absolute walking nors now because he's climbing the three peaks next weekend just randomly and now all he does is go off on his walk i'm like i'll just go away yeah leaving them i just threw one across the room i was like i've fed up with picking up all this crap and um i don't know what to do there's a chance I'm just going to burn the fucking house down.

7:41Well, do you know what? I mean, don't do that. Don't do that. Let's detox instead. Yeah, I said to James, you know like Stacey Solomon has that program where it's called Sort Your Life Out or something and everything comes out of the house and it goes into a warehouse and then you see all the stuff that's in your house and then you only put back the things that they want to put back. I feel like I want to do that. You said you were going to get a skip. I am. I'm going to get a skip. I love skips. please just chuckle a couple of pez of james's trainer just for fun oh my god like they're under lock and key joking jesus christ he's the sort of person that's like bleaching his laces yeah oh yeah there's a there's a detox happening there's a change coming there is and i've seen loads of challenges when i said i think i said about i was going to do this on instagram like get rid of 500 things by december i've noticed there's like loads of people doing like right Like go into your bathroom and throw away 10 things that you don't need.

8:40Oh my God. It's like a challenge. You do a different room each day or whatever or each week. But I definitely think less stuff is the way to go. I even opened up the cupboard underneath the stairs and I found this massive bag of my clothes. And I was like, oh my God, what? These were clothes I was supposed to take to get turned up because they're too long. And I haven't thought about them for two years. Two years they've been sitting there. it's time for me to get rid of them it is it's better there was a couple of nice pears of trousers in there but they've gone back up they've gone back up yeah still too long yeah george let's get into today's conversation um somebody who's very opinionated and i respect that about her yeah she is outspoken uh she's a big character but what i loved was that she spoke about how to really make the most of yourself get the best out of you and how to find yourself to find yourself.

9:30I guess it's really important to discover who you are and what you actually value. So yeah. And asking yourself, what do I like? What makes me happy? And how can I find the best version of me? Yeah, exactly. That's something that I'm taking into the week, Georgia. Me too. Who are we talking to today? We are chatting to Brogan Garrett-Smith. Joining us on the podcast today, we've actually got lots of mutual friends. So I'm really, really excited to talk to this incredible woman. Georgia and I are both huge fans of her podcaster, mother, someone who's always had an innate curiosity for life. Very outspoken.

10:01Please welcome Brogan Garrett-Smith. Thank you for having me. It feels so weird being this side. I'm like, oh my God, what are they going to ask me? So many people have said that today. Because I'm like, what do you mean? You guys are controlling it now. Do you know what I mean? You don't know what they're asking you. What are they going to ask me? I'm so open. We'll start nice. Do you want to just give anyone who hasn't listened to your podcast or doesn't really know who you are, just a little insight into what you do and also why you started your podcast. Oh my God, we'd be here all day about the why.

10:30But I've always, like you say, had this insatiable curiosity for life. Ever since I was young, I was like, why are we doing that? Why are we going there or whatever it was? And I feel like I spent my whole life trying to chase this island or this illusion. I think we all have it. When we get there, it'll all be okay. When you're young, it's like, when I get my driving license, I've got freedom. And I chased this idea, to be honest with you, actually, it's quite fitting, of always wanting this family because I grew up in a really toxic, abusive, crappy family environment. So for me, chasing the illusion of having a family of my own that couldn't be taken away from me was like, I'm going to get there.

11:10And then I got there and I was like, what the fuck's this about? I was like, I'm so disappointed. It wasn't just obviously I ended up not being with my son's dad, but I was like, I've chased this thing and this longing and for this child and everything and I still want more and then I felt in really guilty for wanting more because I felt like that should be enough um and I just thought I went on this retreat thing and I sat in a room I spent eight days with 24 strangers no watch no clock no telephone wow okay that's quite extreme that's a lot very I'm extreme in everything I do I'm all in yeah I'm all in and no watch no clocks no telephone you weren't allowed to go for a run You weren't allowed to leave the house.

11:52Very big brother. This wasn't being filmed? No, it wasn't being filmed. It is a, it's quite well known. It's the Hoffman process. Oh my God, you did the Hoffman. Not Wim Hof. No, no, no, I know. The Hoffman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know about it. And I was like, that's what I'm going to do. And for me, I'd strived for so long to do the Hoffman because you had to remember so much of your childhood, right? But I didn't remember Diddly Squat really. So anyway, I ended up on the Hoffman. And when I sat in the room with everyone else, I thought we were all chasing the same things, the same there, the same island.

12:22And, you know, for some people, it was simply good health. Some people, it was their career. And I was like, whoa, like, where's everyone else going? What can I learn from them? What's the quickest way of getting there? And essentially, it was born from that. And just talking to diverse voices with real stories and just them giving their honest opinions about life. But as the show grew and evolved, I started wanting to talk to people that were deemed a little bit more extreme, that we're living on the peripheries of society because I feel like we live in a space where we're really quick to judge people.

12:56Especially when I speak to like Bonnie Blue, Lily Phillips, whoever it is, we're really quick to judge. And until we understand someone's life and the driving forces as to why they're picking there, then we can't really understand. It's like, you know, you haven't walked in their shoes. So for me, it was like long form content. And I was like, I'm so interested by the OnlyFans girls. that they're, you know, they sit around. Fascinating. Fascinating. Their mum and dad's work for them. I'm like, I want to know what the family chat's like. But you know your daughter's just essentially been abused in the next room and you're handing out condoms and things.

13:33So for me, I wanted to really understand what was happening. And that comes at a cost because that doesn't always keep your audience happy. They're like, you shouldn't be giving these people a platform. Oh yeah, now that's really interesting. For example, Bonnie Blue, she got time on this morning and a friend of ours, Ashley, was the person that was going up against her and doing essentially the debate with her. And people were hating on This Morning saying, why are you giving this person a platform? And I guess essentially what you're saying is that it doesn't matter where you come from, what you do, there is always a story and an interest and an intrigue into somebody's life.

14:07And these girls are happening and it's happening and they're creating driving forces for our children or the next generation. So for you not speaking to them isn't going to make them go away. So I want to understand. Traditionally, sex workers have been sexually abused. They've come from single parent households. They've had some kind of level of trauma from speaking to these two girls. What I found so bizarre is apparently they don't. So for me, what's the influence in your life that is driving you to make this decision? And what I keep seeing time and time again in my work and what I'm doing is the phone and it's the Internet.

14:41and this illusion of like ego, money, it's programming these young girls that that's, they're there. Like if you sat those two girls down, they'd be like, we've made it. So they're just driven because they see what you can have. That's what I believe. I believe. So what I'm saying, traditionally we were like just products of our environment, right? You know, the people that we live with, our caregivers. But our environment is so much more than that now. We are being programmed by these devices and we've never really understood what cost it's come at but these young girls for me signify the cost of the phone and the programming and you know yeah so strip so strip it back slightly because this is interesting like Georgia and I obviously on social media we have to do a certain amount to you know enable our work and we both understand that this it's a business and you know we want to show aspects of our life in it's sort of I guess in a slightly different form when you spend hours on your phone every single evening linking a jacket or tagging some trousers you are distracting yourself from being present with your children and if you've got a partner from having a connection with them i'm speaking from experience and it can really push you to that level so if you take the extreme where they are you can understand how addictive that is right well you know they're made to be addicted so i just did an interview with dr sanjeev and they use the same psychological techniques on children's apps as the gaming slot machines in Vegas of course they are programmed the exact same way to keep you hooked so I'm not surprised they think that so then how do you feel about giving your child son a phone and how you like how would you handle that it doesn't really happen in my house but then my boyfriend will say I'm full of shit because now and again if he gets up at like five in the morning I'm like take the phone but I mean it probably happens a handful but I have been really really really conscious about that just because I've been lucky enough to become so aware about it right and you don't know what you don't know so if you had said to me that you know when I first had him I would have been like oh it's not a problem but also I want to you know caveat that with I've had to get help for someone to help me because I'm a single mom I live in London we were speaking earlier my family's from Essex and for me there came so much shame with that yeah but you can't physically work and do what you want to do going on school hours right they're off every six weeks my son was ill for quite a long time so I've had to get help so not everyone has the ability to get help you're talking about a nanny or a babysitter yeah just someone there to fill the time because you know I don't have anyone around me so he's distracted because of that but however when I take it back to two years ago when I didn't have help there was an iPad available obviously I was still cautious with it but you can only really do what's in front of you so i get always get mindful like when people have discussions to say oh don't let you give your kids an ipad but sometimes you know in certain circumstances yeah the electronic nanny has spent well yeah let's have it right we'll be right back after this short break is your kid's birthday coming up don't stress the prep the party shop Shop at Michaels is your one-stop shop for everything from bluey to rodeo.

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18:32welcome back to this episode of made by mamas now where were we the diet and things like that it is a controversial subject whichever way you look at it even if you do have an opinion on it which you're totally entitled to have even with the diet like you know we all we all could give our kids you know a twix when they come out of school or you know a packet of sweets on the weekend or whatever it looks like but if your kid is continuously getting sick you do have to kind of galvanize and think what's going on here and people don't really necessarily want to look outside of the western medicine route now we're an eastern medicine family don't get me wrong if they need antibiotics because they're super sick and they you know fine but actually i would like to be able to see if i can try and look at the whole view as a holistic view but you know like the whole you know you're saying that now if your kid's sick all the time you can go and you can find an alternative but that's one of the positives of the internet and having our eyes opened is that you don't just have to follow one route you don't have to you know because your parents did one thing it that you don't have to do the same and you don't like your environment is just not just what's around you you can find out what other people are doing and you can find out what works for you rather than just following what we're meant to do i guess yeah but but but but what you're saying I guess is that even just now breaking the mold slightly is controversial.

19:54Oh, anything. But anyone wants anything controversial right now. Everything's controversial right now. But actually when you strip it back, a lot of the, you know, food should be simple. We shouldn't be. If you can't pronounce it, my rule is then don't eat it. I will have chocolate, but it will be typically like dark chocolate that I can pronounce, that I can eat. It's got sugar in it and everything else. But when we start seeing like the stabilizers and this, and all the, you know, the kids' food. Have you seen the kids food that we would think we're healthy? But all these other things that you think as a parent you're making the right decision because at the heart of it, we all want the best for our children.

20:28But we've been so misled through marketing campaigns that I'm not surprised that children are sick constantly because parents think they're doing what they are doing best. Like fruit bars. What happens to just having a piece of fruit? Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what? I was reading something the other day and it was the whole thing of the marketing. and for kids a snack's got to be fun but why because it's just a snack why does it have to be fun like an orange what do you mean well like they want yeah the kids have been marketed to so they think of a snack as something that looks fun that comes in a packet that to them that's a snack because that's what they but when we were younger a snack was probably like a tangerine so so are we so what are we saying here then ladies do we want to live longer are you trying to keep your child healthy so they can live a longer life?

21:19Are you trying to educate them around food so that they've got all the facts? That's hard, isn't it? Because I also think, you know, I grew up overweight. So there's like two things of it. I remember girls, I remember being 11 and 11 stone. I thought it just goes up every year. Do you know what I mean? So I'm mindful that obviously I am more conscious and stuff, but you also don't want to then go to your child, like, oh, you can't have this for this. Definitely not. Is it called an almond mum? Is that what they call it? An almond mum? An almond mum. An almond mum is someone, can anyone correct me on this?

21:51It is, isn't it? Yeah, it's someone who's putting those thoughts onto you. So like you put it onto your children, like you can't eat this. Or, oh, you're looking a little bit porky. And those of us have been brought up with almond mums because our mums were brought up in like the supermodel era. So then they will put those values onto us and then in time we then... Yeah, and it's basically generational trauma. Yeah. But I think my mum, I could probably openly say had a bit of an eating disorder. Oh my God, my mum too. And me. Are you surprised? Look at the way they were getting targeted. What was praise for being beautiful?

22:24Stick thin people where you could see their bones and their collarbone. You'd be like, oh my God, collarbone this, collarbone that. And everyone would look fantastic. So you can't blame them. Do you remember the special K diet? Yes. Eat this for two weeks and you're finally getting a swim suit. Yeah. I know. I said to my mum earlier on, oh, we might have been invited to go to the River Cafe tomorrow, Mom, with a nice group of girls, and I was like, it would be so lovely. And she went, oh, that sounds lovely. I'll starve myself till then. Yeah, that's weird. Oh, I can't, yeah, I can't possibly, I can't have lunch because I've had a big breakfast, or I can't have dinner because I've had a big lunch.

22:56It's such, I looked at her and I went, but that's, Mom, that's 30 hours away. And she went, oh, you know, I just mean I'll have a big appetite. I said, please don't starve yourself till then, and please just be really hyper-aware of what you're saying in my house with my kids running around, because that's why I had an eating disorder in my 20s. A hundred percent it was driven from her, not blaming her, but as in that is the era that she grew up in. A model in London in the 60s and they were like twigs. But also stripping that back, she was being influenced by her environment. A hundred percent.

23:27So now we can understand how that's been passed down. It's been passed down to the same with my mum. My mum's absolutely gorgeous. And she was like, I remember being younger and she's like, you need to put mascara on, you need to do this, you need to do that. She'll go to me like, you need Botox there. and I'm like, I don't think I do. From what age? Oh, this is bad. I don't know if I should say it on the end. Say it. 18. She first came up. Right. Yeah. How did that make you feel? How did that make me feel? Sometimes I just let things go over my head. It would have affected me more if it had been a comment like, oh, you need to fit into this dress.

24:03But because I never felt old, it couldn't trigger something for me, if that makes sense. Yeah. Because I always correlate Botox with something that old people need. Whereas I don't think someone can trigger you unless that wound's in you. You've got that insecurity. Yeah, so I mean, if someone's coming up to me and was like, oh, you something, I don't know, but something that I don't feel like you're ginger slag or something. I'm like, well, I'm not ginger and I'm definitely not. That would bother me, right? But if someone was like, you fat, big mouth, I'd be like, oh my God, they know me. Do you know what I mean?

24:35You can't trigger something. Unless it's past trauma. Unless it's there. right yeah um but you can see how it gets passed down so now you can see these girls their environment going back to the only fans girls of what they think is success and acceptable like some of the stuff that if you see i didn't know some of this was possible i must live under a rock right we went and watched some of these videos and i was like you're being completely disrespected but that is your opinion are they feeling disrespected apparently not right okay Okay, so right, let's just stop. Apparently not. So like, do we think they actually are and they're saying they're not?

25:09It's not our place to sit here and judge whether they're being disrespected or not. In my opinion, if I said to you, what's this? And you said, it's a phone. And I go, yeah, it's a phone. If I held it up and said, what's this? And you went, it's a laptop. I go, no, it's a phone. Because that's fact, not fact. Someone sits there and says to you, I don't feel disrespected. By the way, this is just my, I don't necessarily think this is my opinion. No, no, no, this is just a conversation. Then it's like, we have to respect what they're doing when it comes to our own kids, would we want our own children on OnlyFans?

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26:20Michaels, everything to celebrate anything. I think before I was a parent, I would have thought, Or, oh, well, each to their own, crack on, not my problem, nothing to do with me. But I think since I've become a parent, I now see things in a different way because I think, oh, my God, what's led them to do that? Oh, Jesus, like, why are they doing it? Why are you not full disrespectful? Why do you, like, all of it is the why that comes now. What do you think? Well, also, another question, like, how are they earning£1.6 million a month? Like, what? So the girls are one thing, but the driving force is the men and everything else that's fueling this content.

26:57I did this whole massive series on porn. Honestly, when you start to look into it and how we are reprogramming our brain, if you've got porn addiction, you're 84 % more likely to have another type of addiction, which is like gambling, drink, drugs. They all go hand in hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. And the porn rewires the brain the same as any other addiction, whether it be alcoholic, substance. So they're all kind of interlinked in this field where we're actually reprogramming our brains and bringing it back to the conversation that we had around the gaming apps, like even for kids, you know, Dr.

27:31Sanjeev is the guy I interviewed the other week. You can actually see in their brains, if you go and take the 20 minutes after a gaming app, you can see how different areas of the brain are being completely rewired. I really feel this more than anything. My son definitely has something in his brain where if he is exposed to any form of gaming or watching gaming, which is one of his favourite things to do if I gave him the time to do it afterwards he is um he is unresponsive he is exhausted he is negative he doesn't want to do anything and I think this is a fucking nightmare just sits there like that and a zombie oh zombie yeah zombie no 100 but you know what I find really interesting like my son will be he's got an addictive personality you can see it already like that is absolutely him all in on something but completely addictive he would sit and watch tv or YouTube or football or whatever it is for ages and he's like, it's the same, a zombie.

28:30My daughter watches it, walks off, does her own thing. It doesn't, they could be watching exactly the same thing, but the effect is completely different. But boys and girls learn very differently as well. I'm sending my son to an all boys school and actually on the parents' evening, they went into the nuances of how boys and girls actually learn differently. So he's going to this school and past, like in the mornings or academic lessons just because the way they absorb things and like you say having that hyper focus and in the afternoon it's all sport because they're like we've actually tried it in the afternoon it's basically useless so I do think boys and girls can like hyper focus whereas I've sat with my friend's daughters oh my god that would be so pink because I've only got one right I've only got boys it's all I know like I'm just like sword fight with him and everything and like my mates come around with little girls I'm like isn't that cute and like you say they just sit there and watch it yeah yeah that must be so nice and then when you go it's time to stop watching that they go okay mommy okay i'm sure they can be little bitches oh no no no we're not talking about the door slamming and all that stuff i was petrified of having a girl though i remember going to my therapist and i was like crying i was like eight and a half months pregnant and i didn't know what i was having but i was convinced i was having a girl and my sister was getting married so i'd bought this whole wardrobe for my sister's wedding and i just remember crying to her and being like oh I just know I'm having a girl and it's gonna be just like me and I just don't think I can take it because I just thought I can't deal with like another girl energy so I only really wanted a boy because I think they're quite like matter-of-facty that's such an interesting perception of how you see yourself though isn't it like yeah because for us okay we've just met you but like my immediate impression of you is what a powerhouse you know what somebody who's really curious who's intelligent who's asking the question so I don't know what does that come from And my programming of my, because I am all of those things, energetic, curious, always asking questions.

30:23And in my house, to them, to everyone else, like my family grandma's like, oh, what's she talking about now? And I would be like, guys, you don't know this. There are aliens. There are this. And they'd be like, where has she gone? But with that, I think I've grown up with this idea of that I'm too much. Ah, okay. I'm too much. I'm too annoying. I ask for too much. I want to do too much. I remember people like, oh, what are you doing now then? but isn't that the point of life to go and try everything and do all of these things where I grew up in a family where it was kind of put a lid on because I didn't really fall in line just the girls or the have you got brothers?

30:55no just three girls right interesting chaos 18 months between us all what was the worry about going too far with your parents like as in why were they trying to keep a lid on? I don't know I think my dad's a really powerful individual so like then you've got a young girl that's like equally as powerful those dynamics we've always come head to head like all the time you had your dad on your podcast right yes i had to come to head to everything on sunday i just saw him last week no but we've got that in that kind of i've got the same energy that he's got if you see what i mean so we've always clashed like growing up it's much better now obviously that i'm older but he's like super successful he's hyper focused he's like all of these things and then you've got me coming along who's like equally the same and I think you end up with this like energy where it's just like I watched a clip of you and I thought it was really beautiful and brilliant where you said and it's kind of how I feel about life where you said we we're born with this or at least we're taught this this feeling that we've got so much time and that you know we can just you just float through life I mean we count up we're like oh my god look all the numbers they're going up and I'm like dude it's a ticking time bomb yeah we are all dying right I said I was like we're all dying obviously again controversial but I thought like we all think we come in this with this infinite amount of time but it's not true the minute we come in our time is ticking down and like even if we're not tied up to a machine even if we're not in hospital all of us are dying and that kind of shifted my perspective is to no I'm gonna go and try these things I'm gonna go and try this podcast I'm gonna go and teach this person because there'll be one day when I'm going to run out of time and I won't be able to do all the things that light me up and I think we're being guided all of the time you know those silly ideas that like what if I did that what if I do this so for me I've taught myself just to try it just to go and do it and try the thing and we get so caught up in the minute that if we do something there has to be a final for it like if I did the podcast I've got to be number one then or if I do this, I've got to be that.

33:00But the truth is the joy is in the getting, not in the there. And it's through the experiences that I get to meet people like you guys, all of this other stuff. Whereas when I first started, I was like, I've got to be this and I'm going to knock Stephen Bartlett off of his chair. And the truth is you just get so much joy in the journey and just trying these things. And because we're nosy and we just like to talk about products sometimes and things people love, do you want to give us just some of your, Or like the things, you know, you've said that you don't have seed oils. But what things do you love?

33:30Do you know what you've got to try? Yeah. The nootropic coffee. Nootropic coffee. Guys, I should have brought you some. It's insane. Do you know how it's changed my life? It's because I'd get up and I'd have coffee. And then I thought coffee only really works. You know when you're a little bit like jumping. And then obviously, lo and behold, you can't sleep, right? But this has got aptogenic mushrooms in it. So it's like the lights are turned on. And you still get a little bit of a buzz. but not much. But you have like this sustained alertness. Oh great. And you can sleep and I mix it with collagen.

34:03You know Davina Taylor? Yeah, we've had her on the show. Oh, she's great, isn't she? Yeah. And her MCT. Oh yes. Yeah, that's really good. Is that the oil? No, she does a powder and you mix it in the coffee and it's like creamy. You're going to tell us now that you're 85 years old, aren't you? No, 34. Like death becomes her. Ladies and gentlemen, please say congratulations to Brogdon. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you. Brilliant. she was great loved it yeah the hoffman i know yeah so and so many of my family's done that that's how i knew about it wow i i did want to say last night when i was lying in bed with doz and we'd had a bit of a tiff shock um i did want to say i'm i'm going to go off and find myself i'm going to go for on a three-day yoga retreat and i'm going to do some work on myself and i thought it's dark it's 10 30 not the right time it's not the right moment not the right watch this space for self-exploration.

34:56It feels indulgent to do something like that, doesn't it? Yeah, there's a big part of me that just wants to go back to Aretha for closing parties. Maybe we could pretend, I mean, I don't want to come to closing parties, don't ask me to come to closing parties.

35:11We could pretend we're doing like a discovering yourself retreat. Oh yeah. And we need to go away for like, you know, to do finding things. Four nights. Yeah, but really we could just lay and look at the sun and that would find. Sunbathing. Yeah. and we would find ourselves oh my god yes yeah we could do that so if we do do this secret squirrel mission let's not talk about it anymore on the podcast yeah let's cut this out zip it off thank you so much for listening to today's podcast as always we'd love you to rate review subscribe and please give our podcast a follow yeah and if you've got any feedback on this episode or guests you'd like to hear from drop us a dm on instagram we're on at made by mommas and we'll be back on friday

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