Friday Q&A: Laura Brown on Autism, AAC and the Power of Communication

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2:41chunks of knowledge that we can hear from experts from that georgia and i might be able to impart onto you although we still don't know that much after sort of 12 years of parenting um today though a subject that is being spoken about so much across social media across the news um autism and adhd and so we wanted to get somebody who's a really really big voice on social media to come and discuss this with you to answer your questions that you've sent in so please welcome her name is laura brown you may know her as spinning world of autism hey laura welcome Hello, thanks so much for having me on.

3:12It's great to join you all.

3:13Georgia Dayton: Oh no, thank you so much for coming on. But just before we get into the chat, Zoe's obviously giving a little intro to you, but do you want to just give us a little bit about your story and how you came to set up Spinning World of Autism? Yeah, so I'm Laura and alongside my husband, Pete, we're the parents of Ethan, who I know will probably talk about and reference quite a lot during this episode. Ethan is autistic, but firstly to introduce myself, I'm a real advocate for autism and AAC, and this is something I'm hugely passionate about. I'm actually autistic myself, and I was diagnosed a year after my son's diagnosis.

3:58As part of my advocacy work, I've had loads of really great opportunities. and one I'm really proud of was that I spoke within the Houses of Parliament directly to MPs and people that just really care about AAC and could share our AAC story. I also travel the UK sharing our lived experience to speech therapists and professionals and teachers. I feel like there's been quite a flip recently where actually people are really wanting lived experience and really wanting to hear kind of what it's actually like yeah um and in January I had a incredible opportunity where I was awarded a assistive technology scholarship and was flown to Florida of all places um to attend like a world-leading conference in this space um me and my partner also work full-time running our own business so our life is a big juggle um as I'm sure you will both relate to and everyone that's running this business I think parents are juggling a million things at once yeah sounds like you've got a lot of plates spinning Laura but it feels like such important work talk to us a little bit about um you know correct me if I'm wrong but even maybe sort of 10 years ago we weren't having these discussions around ADHD autism um it feels like it's very much been put on the map and people are getting diagnosed much later in life as well yeah I think what's happening with the later in life diagnosis is the parents are getting their children diagnosed yeah and for me we were doing like a sensory assessment for Ethan and like my partner was like kicking me under the table for most of the questions being like that's literally me um and you're suddenly filling in all the forms of them and you think actually even though So Ethan is what you would call high needs autistic and I would be kind of low needs autistic.

5:59We are very similar in lots of our ways and how we kind of process and engage with the world and things like sensory differences. And we're starting to realise that. And then, as you say, it's being talked about a lot more on social media. and there's so much more information and awareness out there that I think the penny is just dropping for so many people and social media I'm sure as you both know is for gaining a community and just gaining support and validation and expertise from others is just so incredibly important now for so many parents.

6:35Georgia Dayton: Yeah absolutely and when we obviously said that you were coming on we had so many messages um from people in our community as well you know saying oh like Laura you know Laura's such a good spokesperson in this space can't wait for you to chat to her but one of the things that did come up and we've obviously get into the questions was around AAC and we've obviously referenced it but I mean I didn't I didn't know what that was I don't know if you did so but no that was going to be my next question to kind of go through the differences between ADHD uh aac you know just could you just break them down for us so that we we understand yeah um yeah so shall i just very briefly just introduce you a little bit to ethan yes that'd be amazing yeah i might share a bit how ethan uses ac so so ethan is six um he's amazing and he has a brilliant sense of humor brings a huge amount of joy to our life um he's autistic he would be considered as high needs and he's non-speaking yeah and some people like to say non-verbal or non-speaking you know they they mean very similar things um but for two years now he's used an AAC device to communicate and this has been life-changing for him and for us so essentially for people that haven't heard of AAC or an AAC device it's essentially an iPad it's got an application on it and Ethan can press buttons and it speaks for him so he can request his like a chocolate lollipop he can say good morning he can ask for help we've had brilliant um instances where he's been able to tell us that he's poorly and that it's his ear that hurts and he needs medicine you know huge things um and AAC and then with his AAC device we can personalize it so we can add pictures of all his family if there's if we get a new toy and it isn't on his AAC device and thousands and thousands of words are already there but if it's not there we can personalize it and it can really just kind of grow with Ethan um and it and what's really important about AAC and why I say it's been so life-changing.

8:49One reason is that it really breaks down a common myth about non-speaking individuals. So, so many people believe, I think just naturally, I don't think anyone's trying to be horrible, but so many people believe that non-speaking is linked to intelligence levels and that it might be because a child isn't very intelligent or that they can't hear or they don't understand anything. and this just isn't true you know that's a total myth so Ethan is non-speaking because of a practical and another diagnosis he's got that we don't have to dive into but because of a practical difference in the way his brain communicates his mouth and lips and tongue to get him to speak that's why he's non-speaking it's nothing to do with his intelligence so via his ASC he can show us that he absolutely understands everything he can show his teachers his specialist schools I'm gonna minute I do know that can we go up a level you know can I be taught more um he loves making people fake sneeze and things like that so he presses achoo on his and so he's building connections and you know it's it's all about communication but actually that's also supporting his mental health and his happiness yeah of course yeah and his education and supports his life chances and opportunities so it's it's so so important and just so many people so you um both haven't heard of it but actually so many people who have autistic non-speaking children also haven't heard about yeah because there's so much more awareness that's

10:28Georgia Dayton: needed i was gonna say are there many people using it i don't know the sort of official stats but but yeah so AAC devices aren't new um they're I think they're new-ish in the sense where um AAC companies are realizing the benefit of autistic children using it um Ethan uses an advice it's called a TD Navio and it's made of it's got kind of a rubber case and it's waterproof and they're recognizing that autistic children are often very sensory seeking and are running around so it needs to be sort of um needs to be robust and needs to be safe um but i think people just don't know about it and i think lots of people assume that professionals will tell you about it and will be supporters of it and school will tell you and um and in our case we first saw an ASC device years ago and it was actually via Instagram wow right you know I saw a family using it and I don't know if this ever happens to you but I just kind of saw it probably like four years ago and Ethan has now used it for two years and I saw it and just knew that it would be part of our life and Ethan was non-speaking he was really good at technology and stuff at the time um so just kind of kept it you know close to my heart really and kept learning about it um and knowing that it probably would be part of our future and then you know two years later here we are and it's changed all of our lives sort of in every way wow yeah that's amazing I mean it's so interesting hearing about it I'd love to before we get into the questions I'd love to dive into um the the challenges that you have faced I think with Ethan and and how it's been in terms of the system and the support that you've had there because if people listening to the podcast are feeling you know I don't feel like I'm getting enough support or I don't know where to turn to with support and x y and z is going on at home with my child and I still don't really have the diagnosis what what sort of advice would you would you give them well sadly it might not necessarily be the advice that they necessarily want to hear straight away but I hope that it will then lead to more positive outcomes so for us we haven't had a huge amount of support um especially when it came to ethan's aac device um in terms of getting his autism diagnosis that actually was pretty easy um ethan was diagnosed probably about four years ago and i don't know if this is the right terminology but we used to say ethan is almost a poster boy for the diagnostic criteria right of autism he ticks every box um he yeah he so that was very easy but in terms of us getting support with these and communicating um we have felt that we haven't had the support we were dismissed by um speech and language therapy we said about an AAC device and we heard all of the myths that are out there such as a child sorry no I was gonna say what are they yeah yeah so there's Unfortunately, there's so many.

13:47And I think it comes from a place actually of fear and kind of the unknown. And people may say to you, oh, they're too young. It will stop him talking. It's screen time. You should limit it. They need to be able to do this, this and this first, all of which are completely untrue. And there's loads of scientific studies that show that it actually supports verbal speech. and we've had instances of that where Ethan has said no and go verbally at the same time as pressing sort of ready steady go on his AAC device but we were heard all of that so actually one of the big lessons I think people could take away is that actually the support isn't necessarily coming and almost to kind of know that and to sort of process that and crack on yourself um and i know that's not easy you know we are the parents of a high needs autistic child we know that there's mental health problems there's um barriers and we're trying to fight for everything but i think once you realize that and think actually we can get started ourselves you actually have a new kind of freedom and you can make a real difference to your child's life yeah I get that I think that

15:08Georgia Dayton: probably leads quite nicely into this question here just to kick us off um that you know our followers have sent in questions for you someone here has said how have you coped with your mental health as an autism mum yeah so we go through both you know me and my partner and I think it's as important to speak about men's mental health as well definitely um go through kind of peaks and troughs with it but when we were fighting to get ethan into a specialist school um which i won't go on about but is the biggest fight of our life and affected us mentally physically financially you know affected us in every way um we were at a very sort of low point and we but we still wanted to do all the advocating and fighting for Ethan so I did actually attend therapy um I don't anymore it doesn't mean I'm cured you know so far from it um but I did attend therapy and actually just sort of talking through it with someone who kind of was unbiased can and could help with some tools um but also as I'm sure many parents will relate to it's just trying to find those little moments so for me you know only over the past year or so really I've realized that the only time my brain switches off is sat outside with my sort of feet touching the ground ideally the sun shining and just sit there for like five minutes and just try and sort of switch off a little bit ground ground yourself right yeah and like take your socks off you know get it yeah um but also my instagram has been a huge support so parents say you know if i ever need to ask a question it's like has anyone ever had this or ethan also uses makaton which is sign language and and ethan in classic ethan style will sort of make up his own that are sort of based on the standard sign and i'll ask that on my story and people will be flooding me with answers and support so that you know people might say I support them but actually my followers support me you know just as much if not more yeah yeah I love that um the lovely Becca has said have you adjusted your work career as an autistic mum to non-verbal boys over here and I'm struggling yes so we run our own business and it's social media management and training and so it's been going on for like 14 years so way before Ethan and even though it's very hard at being your own boss it has saved us as well so when we're doing all our advocating and fighting you know we're still doing the work but we can do it at 10 o 'clock at night yeah and if we've got lots of meetings and obviously that's hard on mental health and tiredness and we have to support ourselves but um but it has affected our business you know I would be lying if it hasn't you know we had big plans where we wanted to franchise our business and we still might you know it still might be something we do but being the parent of a non-speaking autistic child is a takes a huge amount of work so we've had to kind of really check in with where we um where we are with everything yeah totally and I think that's something that people don't really talk about you know the impact on the rest of the family as well because the focus is usually on the child right and you don't think about yeah exactly that you know people's careers and the extra time that you maybe need to be around for um to you know even just to fight for you know what what we need um someone here has actually put just received diagnosis for my seven-year-old child where to even start um so first of all i think trying to learn as much as you can about autism but you know how your child presents um but the one of the biggest things for us is when we started to really understand ethan's sensory needs um and how to keep him regulated so really learning about what they're what they're seeking and it might be that they need a weighted blanket to to be calm and they might need a darker room and to get a projector but really kind of learning what regulates and helps keep your child calm I think is so important for kind of any other activity so when a child is dysregulated that isn't going to be the time to take them out in the car or to try and read a book or or do bedtime you want to have a little idea of being like right so with ethan um we take him out on a walk for about an hour sometimes two hours to the woods every night um to to regulate him and help help support him wow um yeah and it's really interesting so you have to so what does what do you find happens to him on those on those two hour walks well he just i think there is again i think there's sort of scientific studies aren't there about like being in nature and being around trees like literally kind of brings your blood pressure down he also loves um like throwing stones and sticks and finding petals and doing all that so he can just be um in his safe space we can hold back and don't need to be we try and not say no and stuff a lot anyway really but we don't need to do any of that he can just kind of do his thing and he really loves being in the car so it can just kind of help calm him down a little bit um and we I think as I said at the start that Ethan has brought loads of joy to our life and loads of interest and by his AAC device he was able to show us he was interested in birds um and loved being outside and things so as a family we now love birds and we love coming outside so going for the woodland walk helps him to regulate it's probably also a bit of a coping mechanism for us in terms of our kind of mental health and that let's just get outside um but also we do generally all of us love doing it and it's now kind of part of our part of our life yeah that's great i love that because it's active like you said it's connecting to nature it's probably i imagine those moments at home sometimes can get all on top of you and actually we always say this on the podcast regardless of you know if your child has a diagnosis or not it's it's a brilliant way of kind of breaking the cycle of no one's listening to me and no one's doing it and bedtime's crazy and it's like just get outside and go for a walk helps so much it's not really yeah it's it's amazing it's amazing yeah and I just think obviously this person who's saying about where you know where to start like I think everything that you've said from you know the beginning of this podcast has all been it's like very individual so it's like obviously like learning what your child needs and rolling with that I think that you know maybe people are looking for the the instruction manual and there isn't one and so it's is it you know about finding what is going to work for your family and running with it yeah it's about exactly that and I don't know whether they're verbal or whether they're non-speaking but also doing what you can to support their communication I think would be of high importance um and I think as well just to add in terms of like the walks and things like that is as parents we have to try and look after ourself as well yeah and I remember I used to kind of scoff at that and think I can't you know I'm fighting for my son's life essentially I'm fighting for him to um get treated fairly I'm fighting for a specialist school I haven't got time to look after myself um and I think lots of parents can can still feel like that at times but I think it it's so important and and I'm the kind of person that just goes off at 100 miles per hour I never stop and then eventually my body will just give me like three migraines in three days and it's like right if you won't stop I'm going to make it so you can't see for a couple of days so you you have to stop have to stop um I was talking about this the other day yeah that the body is just such it's of course it is it's our vessel yeah but more than that we're so connected to it and if you keep ignoring the warning signs yeah keep going at a million miles an hour your body will stop you for you yeah exactly and it's horrible but it it happens and like actually i probably did need to just take a breather for a minute um i know that as parents as as parent carers of send children obviously we're so important and that we know how to meet their needs and know their routines and we're also conscious of trying to stay as healthy as we can and I think we have to kind of take that five minutes or or try and do something that we've kind of by accident done where actually we love being in the forest and Ethan loves being in the forest so we can all get benefits from it.

24:14We'll be right back after this short break.

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26:13Welcome back to this episode of Made by Mommas. Now, where were we? Eight-year-old just been referred on ND Diagnosis Pathway. Feels like there's so much information, but also a lot of questions unanswered. What are your trusted resources? That's from Sarah. So the National Autistic Society is definitely worth having a look at. They've got lots of news articles. They've got a great magazine and a great newsletter. I think you can subscribe and become a member and you get a great magazine through the post. um also social media and I know people who hate social media sort of go on about um misinformation and fake news and I'm so run a social media business I know that um but as we've already said for me the community on Instagram so trying to find families that are that are like you and or maybe actually kind of down the other end of the spectrum and have kind of different needs and just kind of really learning about what autistic individuals are like, how autistic families operate.

27:18You know, I've got so many ideas and tips and thoughts just from kind of connecting with other families.

27:24Georgia Dayton: Yeah, yeah, that's really interesting. Someone here has asked for tips for sleep for children with autism. Oh, no. ADHD as well, because lots of people, if they haven't had the autism diagnosis, there's lots of people I know in my circle have a child with ADHD and that can be actually I think such you know hearing the stories and stuff it really does ramp up around bedtime yeah as well and it just feels an impossible task to even you know get your child to even kind of calm down enough to to get into the bedroom yeah well we've been and I know I think we have been lucky with Ethan's sleep I know that there's some families whose children go to sleep at 10 p.m at night and wake up at 1 a.m and that's their day and I know that they are often working and like I you know that's incredible and they're amazing at kind of coping with that our battle with Ethan has always been getting him to sleep so even as a newborn and he was one I think, or six months old, like during lockdown, we would have to walk miles and miles and miles.

28:35We'd have to break the rules and go for two walks a day to get Ethan to sleep. So that's always been our really hard task. Sometimes that would be kind of reading books and laying with him. Other times we would call it sort of World War Three and it would be both me and my partner. Ethan can display what we call sort of challenging behaviours sort of at bedtime and we'd come down and it would just be this kind of horrible process but we've always been lucky that once Ethan is asleep he does sleep quite well so for us and obviously it sounds obvious but one of the ideas behind this the late night walks is just we just need Ethan to be tired and if that's at 10 o 'clock at night half 10 at night rather than seven which we'd like so we can have an evening but actually if it's 10 half 10 just put him to bed when he's tired and that doesn't mean bedtime is always easy but at least he's yawning whilst jumping on the bed or and sensory seeking um but I think going back to the senses trying to understand what your child needs in a sensory way um um really supports bedtime so we've got like a big gym ball um and ethan would kind of sit on that and we try and like roll him across the gym ball and that just gives feedback to his muscles and and we might try and put a weighted blanket on him before bed and it just kind of calms him down um so trying to have a little bit of a routine like that before bed um is something that that I would recommend amazing yeah I was just going to ask we've had a question around how it impacts relationships um someone said here at breaking point with my partner we're not sure how to navigate our um autistic child's diagnosis essentially yeah so this is hard and I think I I'm not sure what they are but there are some pretty terrible stats out there about how many marriages have said the children fail um because of the huge load of it yeah um and myself and my partner run our business together we're very equal parents um you know I'm still having to say to professionals you know you can ring my husband as well you don't always need to ring me to say that Ethan's poorly you know we're it's 2026 sort of thing um so we're very equal um so that's amazing what we tend to struggle with is when both of our mental health is low yeah if we're going through a challenging time it's really hard because obviously you want to help each other and you want to be like right what do you need do this do this go away for the weekend but then you're like oh god well I don't want you to go away for the weekend you know it's going to be hard for me um to have Ethan so that's what we struggle with but I think the biggest tip would I guess is to just communicate with each other um and share your needs and just try and um take any kind of moments you can to to reset um but it but it is a kind of known problem and I think really shows how hard this world can be and just how you know I wasn't being negative really when I said you know the support isn't necessarily coming it is something that um people have to navigate

32:09Georgia Dayton: yeah someone here has put how can I support my my best friend while she brings up her child with ASD I think just being there and being there to support her and listening to her her rants and her needs not always trying to offer solutions right I think when people offer solutions sometimes it can make you feel like they're saying you're not very good parent because you haven't tried this which actually is right it's really obvious and it's a kind of first page first search on google sort of thing that i think assuming that we have tried everything sort of thing um and we're if we're really kind of struggling with something we've we've also googled it we've read that book we've done that but so therefore just being there to listen and to understand um and still inviting them even if they might not be able to go still inviting them right and actually if their friend if they have children who are neurotypical they might say we'd love you to come to the party and I know that there's a room to the side like do you want to bring your projector shall I make this into a little sensory room for your child and you know I know they only eat sausages what brand is it because I'll get them for the party it's so lovely isn't it it's those little thoughts yeah it's good to know though because I think sometimes if you're the friend of you know of of a friend whose whose child has this diagnosis you sometimes don't know how to how to navigate how to navigate it and you don't know whether they want to talk about it all the time or they don't or you know if you don't I think that's I think it's like you've just said it's about offering the support that they need and taking their lead rather than like get you know offering the solutions yeah and also just you know the sort of check-in message and say like you know um I know times are hard at the moment I don't feel like you need to reply but just let me know that I'm thinking of you or or something things like that just to give people a little bit of a boost yeah um yeah it's lovely um it feels like a really lovely place to finish the podcast Laura do you want to on a sort of final note for anybody going through it anybody you know that's that's dealing with a friend or or has a family member that's also kind of at the early stages of navigating this journey what would be your sort of lasting piece of advice?

34:41Yeah so I think just trusting your own instinct as a parent and you know I knew that Ethan was autistic before he was one years old and I say at the time I didn't know anything about autism and obviously since then I've been diagnosed as autistic but I knew that Ethan was autistic and it was probably kind of too young to tell but trust that instinct I knew that Ethan would do brilliantly with an AAC I knew he had a practice of speech even when being dismissed by professionals knowing that you've got the mother's instinct and um learning all you can and cracking on yourself is is the sort of biggest support I'd I'd give.

35:24Georgia Dayton: Laura thank you so much and obviously everybody knows that they can find you at spinning world of autism on instagram but just tell us about the petition that you've just put in yeah so i currently have a petition it's live that was um made live under a month ago and it's basically calling to make additional autism specific training mandatory for speech therapists and we've now had almost 6 000 signatures and we've got I've got support from my MP and support from other MPs who are signing in early day motion so it's been recognized as a problem that parliament needs to address so we I feel that we were failed by our speech therapy experience but what really shocked me is when I shared our story via Instagram there was hundreds and hundreds of other families that felt the same way and I now have 500 plus google form links that families have filled in sharing their speech therapy experience and so lots of people including us were told you know until Ethan talks we can't help him to talk without words we can't support you and and speech therapy currently as it stands is very generic and it seems to us and from the all the families that have shared their lived experience that there's nowhere really to go once a child walks in and they're autistic and they're not responding to the the classic speech therapy techniques there isn't really anywhere to go and families are then given misinformation and are dismissed and kind of sent away and hope they'll never come back so I'm calling for training to be made and this might be called speak up for autism and I just really hope so the next goal is to get to 10 ,000 signatures which would get a government response um but the big dream would be to get it debated within parliament and and really actually make this happen because it would change it would have changed our whole sort of pathway um and it will change hundreds and hundreds thousands of families lives um if it came to be amazing incredible listen best of luck with it and let us know how you get on yeah definitely thank you laura thank you so much for coming on what a brilliant episode um as for you guys thank you so much for sending in all of your questions as always we'd love you to rate review subscribe and please give the podcast a follow yeah and if you've got any feedback on this episode or topics you'd like us to cover guests you'd like to hear from drop us a dm on instagram or an at made by and we'll be back on tuesday

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